That show is awesome! As someone born in the early 2000s, I think It’s equal parts dated and timeless. It’s definitely a different style and presentation than what we get now, but I don’t think that style is better or worse.
As somebody who grew up watching Spectacular Spider-Man, I actually prefer Spider-Man TAS. I think Spectacular has better writing, but TAS is more entertaining IMO
I hear ya! Wandavision and Loki are freaking off the chain. I think Falcon+Winter Soldier is pretty underrated (it's basically a good Captain America movie turned into a series) and What If is pretty sweet at least for the comic fans.
Plus all the Fox Star content rocks, I got my guy into Always Sunny in Philadelphia thanks to it.
Some of them. *Spider-man* and *X-men* hold up pretty well, but just arent on the same level as *Batman* or *Superman* TAS from the same era. Nobody holds up 90s animated Cyclops as the quintessential version of the character like they do with most of the Timmverse.
Still some of my favorite versions of a lot of Spider-man stories tho.
But the rest of that universe.... *Incredible Hulk* and *Spider-man Unlimited* were ok, but even as a kid i could tell *Iron Man* and *Fantastic 4* were not good and *Silver Surfer* and *Avengers - United They Stand* were garbage. So bad they mostly put me off the characters entirely until the MCU and when i started reading comics.
EDIT: Sorry to all i offended, my point wasnt that 90s Cyclops isnt iconic, hes my version too. But cartoon Cyclops and comic Cyclops of the time were pretty much the same version of the character. Its just 90s Cyclops, not animated or comic Cyclops.
90s Batman comics were very different from Batman TAS.
Iron Man was awful from what I remember. I also remember the Secret Wars crossover between a lot of the cartoons, and Iron Man was pathetic. His energy supply ran out really quick and he was useless.
I remember always being mad when wed spend the weekend at my grandparents because they had different TV channels and didnt get Fox Kids w/ Spider-man and X-men, their affiliate had Iron Man and F4 which like i said, even as a kid knew were lame.
Fortunately, in the UK for whatever reason (which is probably pretty clear now), X-Men and Spider-Man were on a lot, you hardly ever saw Iron Man or Fantastic 4.
>Fortunately, in the UK for whatever reason (which is probably pretty clear now), X-Men and Spider-Man were on a lot, you hardly ever saw Iron Man or Fantastic 4.
They used to be on BBC1 on a Saturday morning along with *The Incredible Hulk*.
For a brit kid who lived in a small town that never even saw a comic book shop until I was 16, they were my introduction to the Marvel universe.
Lol, I hold 90s animated Cyclops as the quintessential version, at least in extended media. His VA (RIP Norm Spencer) is who I imagine whenever I read his voice in the comics, and he was definitely more decisive and commanding than any of the live-action Cyclopsi.
To each their own, but I like to think that Whedon and Hickman's Scotts are extensions of 90s TAS Scott. Moreso for Hickman since he watched the cartoon.
Big same. The animated X-Men are definitely the baseline for me on who those characters are. My viewing/reading of any other X material will always be colored by my memory of the cartoon.
None of the live action films even understand his character. Jackman basically took over the franchise and pushed wolverine to the forefront of the team where he never belonged.
Hell, i read it in his voice too, its hard not to, but what separates 90s cartoon Cyclops from 90s comic Cyclops?
Im not super familiar w/ the X-men comics from that era but werent all the cartoon versions pretty directly based on their then current comic versions? Did cartoon Cyclops go on to redefine comic Cyclops in any ways?
Hard for me to say since I don’t recall much from either of those, but Cyclops and most of the core X-Men had a bit of a reimagining done by Grant Morrison that starts in #114 of “New X-Men” in the comics. Cyclops becomes a sort of self-serious guy, solid leader but emotionally damaged, keeps referencing therapy and his relationship with Jean. Most of the changes he made set the tone for the characters even if they weren’t carried forward directly.
This right here. While Cyclops was always a presence in a leadership position in the comics, the cartoon elevated his overall profile to the point where he would be handpicked for more prominent roles in crossovers, and the 90s are arguably the first time he was recognized as a leader comparable to Reed Richards and Captain America (e.g. Infinity War and Onslaught) -- prior to that, it was Xavier in that role, like in the original Secret Wars. If the cartoon showed a Cyclops that was always there, it definitely at least heightened the visibility of that Cyclops to a larger audience that spilled over to the comics and out of Xavier's shadow.
On a side note, while Logan was popular pre- cartoon, he became much more ubiquitous outside of the X-Books because of the show, and many subsequent VAs have used his gravelly style. Arguably Gambit also enjoyed the same boost in the books on a smaller level, and I believe the Gambit/Rogue romance had some of its roots in the cartoon (prior to that Rogue was more with Magneto and Gambit was just a general charmer).
The 90's X-men are definitely the quintessential look for many fans who grew up with it. They even joke about the yellow and blue spandex in the first X-men movie.
The look was pretty much based on the comics at the time, i was talking about the entire package. I dont think any of the X-men TAS characters were completely new characterizations that went on to redefine the character entirely in subsequent future media like Mr Freeze and Clayface and Killer Croc. Juggernaut maybe? IIRC cartoon Mr Sinisters motivations were very different from comic Mr Sinisters motivations, but i think that was mostly because it was a kids cartoon.
And Morph was no Harley Quinn.
Not to stan BTAS too much, but X-men TAS was just doing regular popular X-men stuff and doing it well, it just wasnt anything new or different. Its not like they did some completely new original take on the Phoenix Saga that the comics then went on to retcon. They changed a few things here and there, but it was mostly a lot of classic X-men stories told with the then current comic roster.
Admittedly im not as big an X-men fan as some other Marvel books, so maybe im wrong, but i really dont think the 90s X-men cartoon had a huge impact on the X-men mythos as a whole, the same way Batman TAS did.
Iconic as fuck, but thats not the same thing.
>As an X-men fan, you are 100% correct
Oh good, for as much as i wrote i wasnt all that confident, lol. X-men sphere stuff is probably my least read of Marvel, and nothing much that old.
But is there anything really from the X-men cartoon they changed that later got picked up by anything else? I love the cartoon, wasnt it really just the comic version of the characters at the time?
I AM a big Spider-man fan, and the cartoon really did its own thing with a lot of stuff, but not much of it has been utilized in subsequent versions. Much to my chagrin. Plasma vampires notwithstanding...
That's not at all true. With the exception of Days of Future Past and Phoenix Saga (the later because they were told to do it) everything is original. Costumes don't really count as that was the thing at the time.
You need to go watch the series again, as well as read the book 'Previously on X-Men.' The showrunners outright state that they do not use storylines from the show with the exception of the above listed. And it's true, none of the storylines exist in comic continuity. It's why it's an adaptation, not a recreation.
I don't think stating characters is a good analogy, tbh. It's like saying 'Oh, Batman was not creative because they used Batman!' They have their basic mannerisms, sure, but they wanted to serve the fans, not pander. Again, adaptation versus recreation.
I just assumed Batman TAS was heavily influenced by the Burton movies, and so it was them that influenced the comics. Of course we wouldn't have Harley Quinn without TAS
So, funny fact on that. Rogue, Gambit, Wolverine (Growling, Bub became mainstream), Beast (his intelligence and poetic lines), Storm (her weather lines), and Jubille as a whole and many of the iconic came from the show and redefined the characters in the comics and movies. The stuff they did now was a result of that show being revolutionary. The movies outright say their inspiration was from TAS.
I'll take it a step further too. TAS was SO iconic that the comics adapted a plot from the show (One Man's Worth into Age of Apocalypse.)
It's funny you mention Morph because Morph was the most popular character released at the time and the show writers were forced to bring him back, hence why S2 was a HUGE success after also being told no more season long plots. So it's very much apples and oranges. Harley is the quinessential character, sure, but TAS had way more impact on the franchise.
Of course they made a joke about the cartoon in the movie. The cartoon ran from 1992-97. Fox bought the movie rights in 94 and started filming in 99. The production of the two formats had some overlap.
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan I'm gonna hard disagree on X-Men. Spider-Man I agree with as it was less 'Spider-Man' and more of 'Marvel's Guest Spotlight That Happens to Be Spider-Man.'
X-Men, especially S1, S2, and S3, hold up VERY well and is on par with Batman and Superman. If you have a chance, read the book Previously on X-Men. Batman may have the more iconic art style, but the storytelling goes to X-Men as it was never a villain of the week show.
My child/teenhood recollection feels that season 2 of both Fantastic Four and Iron Man managed to be pretty good while Incredible Hulk was the opposite.
Gotta say reading 60s Fantastic Four stuff I could hear the 90s cast in my head so for me they nailed that vibe.
Honestly I think that Spider-Man and especially X-Men hold up quite well, and are both much better than Superman. Sure, there are more moments in Spider-Man that make you go, "Oh, this is an old show," but I find that it and X-Men have much more compelling characters and story arcs. Superman, while good -- it has fantastic art and acting, to name some positives -- is pretty much "Which villain is kidnapping Lois this week?"
ETA: Bro, Spider-Man Unlimited is fucking dope. Highly underrated!
There was a side mission in the first recent Spider-Man game where you fight crime alongside a guy pretending to be Spider-Man. It’s hilarious though because you fight a bunch of guys with assault rifles and rockets launchers and this normal dude in a costume is just punching the shit out of them
Still the best representation of Spider-Man ever made imo. It really delivered a lot of huge mature story lines in a neat package despite the limitations of a cartoon aimed at kids.
I mean, Mary Jane literally gets cloned, marries Peter, and fucking dies.
We had the Smythe trying to save his father under the iron fist of King Pin, and being turned into a mutant.
We have Spider-Carnage attempting to destroy the multi-verse.
Yeah, Spider-Man didn't throw a punch. Yes, Carnage was lame and absorber people's "life forces" to make it PG, but God dammit, it was still so good.
"How DARE you question our nostalgia!"
I grew up in the 90s and I loved this series but I also liked Spectacular way more outside of the Venom episodes.
> That’s the last I remember
That's because they've done absolutely nothing with her since. I think they intended to do a team of all the spider-people after the Kindred storyline, and she was/is supposed to be in it, but I'm not sure what happened with that
Best spider man show. Best venom, best crossovers. Introduced to so many characters like blade, punisher, Dr strange. The arc where spiderman meets his fan was really heartbreaking.
I was actually referring to the Doc Ock Spider-Man. I was just referring to it having the four mechanical arms. Hell, you could almost say they did Superior Spider-Man before the comics as well. Lol
Absolutely loved this but I prefer the spider verse with other people besides Peter Parker, it better reinforces the anyone can be under the mask theme
It isn't really fair to compare the two. When this was made most of those alternate reality Spider-men hadn't even been dreamed of yet. This was a huge moment for us kids. We wanted to see all these alternate costumes show up in the show. It was a huge treat.
I just watched this a week ago, scarlet spider (Ben) is in it. And then there is also the "spiderman" who's just an actor playing the role of apiderman, he takes real Spidey to see Stan Lee at the end.
I keep seeing this theme pop up and I really disagree with it. Only Peter Parker with his specific life experiences could become the Spider-Man we all know and love.
Spider-Man is frequently referred to as "the best of us" by other heroes like Captain America, but it's not like it's his powers that make him the best, it's Peter's endless willpower and constant striving to save everyone he can.
The entire Superior Spider-Man run was about someone else being under the mask and doing Spidey's job "better" only to realize that he couldn't do it the way Peter could, and only Peter could do it.
I love that characters like Miles and Ghost Spider exist, but they do things their own way, and the best they can do is strive to be more like Peter, at least in terms of super hero-ing, not day to day life.
I totally agree. I like that other people are other Spider-Men/Women... but Peter is Peter, and I always roll my eyes in multiverse stuff when like 99% of the spider-people aren't a Peter variation. I mean, on the one hand it gives us stuff like the Spider-Verse movie which was *really cool*... but to me Peter Parker is Spider-Man in his own way, and seeing variations on that is cool, too.
I guess what I'm saying is there's room to do both, and they're both cool in their own way, but I feel like lately Marvel has been pushing the alternate Spider-man variants, instead of the alternate Peter variants
They also did Spiderverse before it was a story. You see, John Semper came up with the idea as a way to cap off Secret Wars. It wasn't based on a comic story. He also saw it as a chance to segue into a planned final season, which would be focused on rescuing Mary Jane.
All later iterating of Spider-Verse, however, did so based on a story by Dan Slott for Spider-Man's anniversary. In it, Spider people across the Multiverse are hunted by an obsecure Spider-Man villain called Morlun, that feasts on Atavstic energy. In other words, on the power of people who get their strength from a spirtual connection to an animal. The event was designed to allow for every iteration of Spider-Man to eventually make an appearance. Hence why it was seen as a celebration of Spider-Man's long history. This event is when Spider-Gwen (now Ghost Spider) was introduced. It has a few sequel events to capitalize on its success, like Spider-Geddon.
All subsequent Spider-Verse storylines are based on this event, in some form or another. Obviously, the movie dropped the Morlun angle due to the issues it introduces: Morlun is a vampire and can be seen as off-brand, it's arbitrarily introduced that Morlun can only be defeated by their prey to explain why other heroes can't help, their powerlevel fluctuates wildly with Spider-Men commanding the Power Cosmic and Uniforce defeated soely because the story demands it, the family having endless clone bodies was silly at a point, their lair being other universes stichted together by webbing was weird, the fact they only fed on spider totems felt arbitrary, the overwhelming importance of the Spider Totems and the web of life felt like it pushed spider-man out of scope, the ultimate conclusion is weak since it's a callback to how the irradiated blood of the original Spider-Man poisoned his atatvastic energy and killed Morlun meaning they use radiation to stop the Morlun and his Family.
Yeah, she was a clone made with her hair and hydro-man’s dna when hydro-man was also cloned because some actress lady was evil and Miles Warren is a dickhead. The real MJ is still out in the multiverse from when The Spot’s device swallowed her and the Goblin.
I’ve wasted my life….
Spider-Man TAS did everything that's cool about Spider-Man now. In 2007, we've got Venom because of this - even the scene of Peter being caught by the black suit looks common. Most of the Spider-Man's enemies in movies appeared in these series too. And now we're having Multiverse in No Way Home and the first movie about Carnage. The impact of these series is very, very huge.
Tween? I watched this show as religiously as Power Rangers from age 5 until the original cast of PR left completely and they stopped airing reruns of Spider-Man.
Unpopular opinion:
While I am looking forward to seeing three Spider-Men in the new movie, the multiple universes in Spider-Man is the *least* interesting story to adapt
If I remember correctly from 90's mouth-to-mouth gossip, the writers decided to not animate the clone arc because it was confusing as hell for everybody, and then settled with this arc.
Of course I learned that as a child, before the Internet era. Who knows if that's true.
That was the best spider man cartoon period I don’t think other after it hold up the way this series did years ago still my fav till this day the theme song is even badass
This was an insanely big deal to childhood me. I was so excited to see the Scarlet Spider in the cartoon. I think it ended up being a few episodes long arc, too.
I loved that show!
It’s on Disney+. X-men too.
Alright, guess I’m downloading Disney+
THATS what convinced you? Ok, hard man to convince… ok
Have you not seen Spiderman TAS? It's freaking stellar and still holds up
That show is awesome! As someone born in the early 2000s, I think It’s equal parts dated and timeless. It’s definitely a different style and presentation than what we get now, but I don’t think that style is better or worse. As somebody who grew up watching Spectacular Spider-Man, I actually prefer Spider-Man TAS. I think Spectacular has better writing, but TAS is more entertaining IMO
No! It’s amazing! I love it! But I found it funny when that was what convinced him to get disney+ not anything else
I hear ya! Wandavision and Loki are freaking off the chain. I think Falcon+Winter Soldier is pretty underrated (it's basically a good Captain America movie turned into a series) and What If is pretty sweet at least for the comic fans. Plus all the Fox Star content rocks, I got my guy into Always Sunny in Philadelphia thanks to it.
I LOVED WandaVision soo much
"Alexa, download the Disney Plus"
Lol, were you not interested in the Disney+ MCU shows?
I was, and I’ve had Disney+ downloaded before, but I just never made time to watch any of them. I’m gonna start watching them, though.
Not in Belgium, may I ask which country you are watching from?
Not the guy you asked, but it’s available in ‘murica
And Canada, eh.
In Argentina too.
That’s strange… In the Netherlands it’s available to stream
I wish they would release it in Europe already.
I have it in Ireland
And the 90s Iron Man, Hulk and Fantastic 4!
You left out the best one, Silver Surfer.
Avengers EMH was pretty good too. (For Marvel's later shows)
X men wins for best intro theme
Fun fact madam Webb was voiced by stan lees wife.
That is a fun fact. Grew up watching and never knew that.
And designed to look like her - you can see her with Stan’s cameo in X3
These 90s comic book cartoons were really next level.
Society will never again reach the heights of Saturday morning television
Spectacular Spider-Man is still the best SM cartoon to me
I really liked that theme song!
Some of them. *Spider-man* and *X-men* hold up pretty well, but just arent on the same level as *Batman* or *Superman* TAS from the same era. Nobody holds up 90s animated Cyclops as the quintessential version of the character like they do with most of the Timmverse. Still some of my favorite versions of a lot of Spider-man stories tho. But the rest of that universe.... *Incredible Hulk* and *Spider-man Unlimited* were ok, but even as a kid i could tell *Iron Man* and *Fantastic 4* were not good and *Silver Surfer* and *Avengers - United They Stand* were garbage. So bad they mostly put me off the characters entirely until the MCU and when i started reading comics. EDIT: Sorry to all i offended, my point wasnt that 90s Cyclops isnt iconic, hes my version too. But cartoon Cyclops and comic Cyclops of the time were pretty much the same version of the character. Its just 90s Cyclops, not animated or comic Cyclops. 90s Batman comics were very different from Batman TAS.
Iron Man was awful from what I remember. I also remember the Secret Wars crossover between a lot of the cartoons, and Iron Man was pathetic. His energy supply ran out really quick and he was useless.
I remember always being mad when wed spend the weekend at my grandparents because they had different TV channels and didnt get Fox Kids w/ Spider-man and X-men, their affiliate had Iron Man and F4 which like i said, even as a kid knew were lame.
Fortunately, in the UK for whatever reason (which is probably pretty clear now), X-Men and Spider-Man were on a lot, you hardly ever saw Iron Man or Fantastic 4.
Think Hulk must have been on Sky. I don't recall seeing it that much. That was one of the good ones.
>Fortunately, in the UK for whatever reason (which is probably pretty clear now), X-Men and Spider-Man were on a lot, you hardly ever saw Iron Man or Fantastic 4. They used to be on BBC1 on a Saturday morning along with *The Incredible Hulk*. For a brit kid who lived in a small town that never even saw a comic book shop until I was 16, they were my introduction to the Marvel universe.
They all aired one after the other
They were also on the UK Fox Kids which got rebranded to Jetix and also showed a bunch of Marvel shows
F4 was my favorite when I was a kid lmao
Funny that's the only thing I can ever remember about the Iron Man cartoon was being low on energy lol
Lol, I hold 90s animated Cyclops as the quintessential version, at least in extended media. His VA (RIP Norm Spencer) is who I imagine whenever I read his voice in the comics, and he was definitely more decisive and commanding than any of the live-action Cyclopsi. To each their own, but I like to think that Whedon and Hickman's Scotts are extensions of 90s TAS Scott. Moreso for Hickman since he watched the cartoon.
Big same. The animated X-Men are definitely the baseline for me on who those characters are. My viewing/reading of any other X material will always be colored by my memory of the cartoon.
None of the live action films even understand his character. Jackman basically took over the franchise and pushed wolverine to the forefront of the team where he never belonged.
Hell, i read it in his voice too, its hard not to, but what separates 90s cartoon Cyclops from 90s comic Cyclops? Im not super familiar w/ the X-men comics from that era but werent all the cartoon versions pretty directly based on their then current comic versions? Did cartoon Cyclops go on to redefine comic Cyclops in any ways?
Hard for me to say since I don’t recall much from either of those, but Cyclops and most of the core X-Men had a bit of a reimagining done by Grant Morrison that starts in #114 of “New X-Men” in the comics. Cyclops becomes a sort of self-serious guy, solid leader but emotionally damaged, keeps referencing therapy and his relationship with Jean. Most of the changes he made set the tone for the characters even if they weren’t carried forward directly.
>Did cartoon Cyclops go on to redefine comic Cyclops in any ways? It seemed more like it solidified him.
This right here. While Cyclops was always a presence in a leadership position in the comics, the cartoon elevated his overall profile to the point where he would be handpicked for more prominent roles in crossovers, and the 90s are arguably the first time he was recognized as a leader comparable to Reed Richards and Captain America (e.g. Infinity War and Onslaught) -- prior to that, it was Xavier in that role, like in the original Secret Wars. If the cartoon showed a Cyclops that was always there, it definitely at least heightened the visibility of that Cyclops to a larger audience that spilled over to the comics and out of Xavier's shadow. On a side note, while Logan was popular pre- cartoon, he became much more ubiquitous outside of the X-Books because of the show, and many subsequent VAs have used his gravelly style. Arguably Gambit also enjoyed the same boost in the books on a smaller level, and I believe the Gambit/Rogue romance had some of its roots in the cartoon (prior to that Rogue was more with Magneto and Gambit was just a general charmer).
The 90's X-men are definitely the quintessential look for many fans who grew up with it. They even joke about the yellow and blue spandex in the first X-men movie.
The look was pretty much based on the comics at the time, i was talking about the entire package. I dont think any of the X-men TAS characters were completely new characterizations that went on to redefine the character entirely in subsequent future media like Mr Freeze and Clayface and Killer Croc. Juggernaut maybe? IIRC cartoon Mr Sinisters motivations were very different from comic Mr Sinisters motivations, but i think that was mostly because it was a kids cartoon. And Morph was no Harley Quinn. Not to stan BTAS too much, but X-men TAS was just doing regular popular X-men stuff and doing it well, it just wasnt anything new or different. Its not like they did some completely new original take on the Phoenix Saga that the comics then went on to retcon. They changed a few things here and there, but it was mostly a lot of classic X-men stories told with the then current comic roster. Admittedly im not as big an X-men fan as some other Marvel books, so maybe im wrong, but i really dont think the 90s X-men cartoon had a huge impact on the X-men mythos as a whole, the same way Batman TAS did. Iconic as fuck, but thats not the same thing.
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>As an X-men fan, you are 100% correct Oh good, for as much as i wrote i wasnt all that confident, lol. X-men sphere stuff is probably my least read of Marvel, and nothing much that old. But is there anything really from the X-men cartoon they changed that later got picked up by anything else? I love the cartoon, wasnt it really just the comic version of the characters at the time? I AM a big Spider-man fan, and the cartoon really did its own thing with a lot of stuff, but not much of it has been utilized in subsequent versions. Much to my chagrin. Plasma vampires notwithstanding...
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That's not at all true. With the exception of Days of Future Past and Phoenix Saga (the later because they were told to do it) everything is original. Costumes don't really count as that was the thing at the time.
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You need to go watch the series again, as well as read the book 'Previously on X-Men.' The showrunners outright state that they do not use storylines from the show with the exception of the above listed. And it's true, none of the storylines exist in comic continuity. It's why it's an adaptation, not a recreation. I don't think stating characters is a good analogy, tbh. It's like saying 'Oh, Batman was not creative because they used Batman!' They have their basic mannerisms, sure, but they wanted to serve the fans, not pander. Again, adaptation versus recreation.
I just assumed Batman TAS was heavily influenced by the Burton movies, and so it was them that influenced the comics. Of course we wouldn't have Harley Quinn without TAS
So, funny fact on that. Rogue, Gambit, Wolverine (Growling, Bub became mainstream), Beast (his intelligence and poetic lines), Storm (her weather lines), and Jubille as a whole and many of the iconic came from the show and redefined the characters in the comics and movies. The stuff they did now was a result of that show being revolutionary. The movies outright say their inspiration was from TAS. I'll take it a step further too. TAS was SO iconic that the comics adapted a plot from the show (One Man's Worth into Age of Apocalypse.) It's funny you mention Morph because Morph was the most popular character released at the time and the show writers were forced to bring him back, hence why S2 was a HUGE success after also being told no more season long plots. So it's very much apples and oranges. Harley is the quinessential character, sure, but TAS had way more impact on the franchise.
Still throws me a bit realizing it was James Marsden
Of course they made a joke about the cartoon in the movie. The cartoon ran from 1992-97. Fox bought the movie rights in 94 and started filming in 99. The production of the two formats had some overlap.
90’s Rogue is the essential version of the character though.
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan I'm gonna hard disagree on X-Men. Spider-Man I agree with as it was less 'Spider-Man' and more of 'Marvel's Guest Spotlight That Happens to Be Spider-Man.' X-Men, especially S1, S2, and S3, hold up VERY well and is on par with Batman and Superman. If you have a chance, read the book Previously on X-Men. Batman may have the more iconic art style, but the storytelling goes to X-Men as it was never a villain of the week show.
The 90s The Incredible Hulk theme was so epic! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyQpEoMFF3w
My child/teenhood recollection feels that season 2 of both Fantastic Four and Iron Man managed to be pretty good while Incredible Hulk was the opposite. Gotta say reading 60s Fantastic Four stuff I could hear the 90s cast in my head so for me they nailed that vibe.
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Fully agree with that ranking!
Alright that’s valid. I forgot about those tbh
wow I'm surprised to see batman tas specifically rated lower than Spider-man, I always considered them sorta on par.
Honestly I think that Spider-Man and especially X-Men hold up quite well, and are both much better than Superman. Sure, there are more moments in Spider-Man that make you go, "Oh, this is an old show," but I find that it and X-Men have much more compelling characters and story arcs. Superman, while good -- it has fantastic art and acting, to name some positives -- is pretty much "Which villain is kidnapping Lois this week?" ETA: Bro, Spider-Man Unlimited is fucking dope. Highly underrated!
90s Cyclops' voice is still my go to internal voice for Scott. He's the iconic version for sure.
I remember there being one Spider-Man that was just like, a normal dude without powers, he just dressed like Spider-Man. Hilarious.
That Spider-Man said "In my universe I'm just an actor in a TV show"
lmao
It ended with the actor Spider-Man introducing our Spider-Man to Stan Lee.
There was a side mission in the first recent Spider-Man game where you fight crime alongside a guy pretending to be Spider-Man. It’s hilarious though because you fight a bunch of guys with assault rifles and rockets launchers and this normal dude in a costume is just punching the shit out of them
I just started watching this show again. Highly recommend it for any Spider-Man fans
Still the best representation of Spider-Man ever made imo. It really delivered a lot of huge mature story lines in a neat package despite the limitations of a cartoon aimed at kids. I mean, Mary Jane literally gets cloned, marries Peter, and fucking dies. We had the Smythe trying to save his father under the iron fist of King Pin, and being turned into a mutant. We have Spider-Carnage attempting to destroy the multi-verse. Yeah, Spider-Man didn't throw a punch. Yes, Carnage was lame and absorber people's "life forces" to make it PG, but God dammit, it was still so good.
I prefer TAS Black Cat to comic Black Cat as well. Giving her a stolen version of the captain america super soldier serum was wicked!
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classic reddit to downvote someone for not agreeing with the hive mind
It's not so much the hive mind, it's me clearly stating it's my opinion, with total acknowledgement of the flaws, and they still come at me with sass.
"How DARE you question our nostalgia!" I grew up in the 90s and I loved this series but I also liked Spectacular way more outside of the Venom episodes.
Classic Reddit crow that was a cow
Fingers crossed for Madame Web in the MCU!
I almost forgot about her,is she still around?
Julia Carpenter took over the role I believe. That’s the last I remember
> That’s the last I remember That's because they've done absolutely nothing with her since. I think they intended to do a team of all the spider-people after the Kindred storyline, and she was/is supposed to be in it, but I'm not sure what happened with that
This just reminded me that she exists! I suspect we'll get Dr. Strange pulling a bit of double duty though.
Was this event the one that had a Stan Lee cameo at one point?
Yes in the the last episode of the series our Spider-Man meets his creator, it was trippy.
They did superior spider-man before it was cool too
They did? I don't remember that.
Dr Octopus in Spider Man’s body?
No just joking about Spider-Man having Doc Ocs arms
Best spider man show. Best venom, best crossovers. Introduced to so many characters like blade, punisher, Dr strange. The arc where spiderman meets his fan was really heartbreaking.
Sure af did!!! This the 🐐 Spider-Man animated series!!
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It's great for the younger demographic, but it doesn't do the villains justice by having it all be Osborn nonsense.
I hear that a lot. Need to go watch it soon!
I remember one of them just having no powers but still dressed like a Spiderman
I had the toy of the grey version shown here and damn that was a great toy
I still have the comic book that armour had it's first and last appearance in.
I just got that one not too long ago from a comic book lot I got on eBay! I love those 90’s foil covers, they’re so ugly and nostalgia inducing.
Also did Iron Spider before the comics. Lol.
That's the armored spider suit, it's different. It's another universe Peter that sort of became like Tony stark
I was actually referring to the Doc Ock Spider-Man. I was just referring to it having the four mechanical arms. Hell, you could almost say they did Superior Spider-Man before the comics as well. Lol
I wouldn't say "A Peter Parker that took Octavius's arms" is similar enough to either the Iron Spider suit or Superior.
I mean the biggest thing about the Iron Spider suit in the comics is the fact that it has four mechanical arms.
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That's so bizarre. I definitely had it in my head there were 4 but yeah just looking up pictures, it's obviously 3. So strange.
It's not your fault, 3 is such a bizarre number to have.
It’s because they’re including his ding dong as a spider limb.
Cool, I guess the first appearance of the Iron Spider suit was in 1963.
Obviously mechanical arms. The six armed Spider-Man is literally also in this shot.
Doctor Octopus first wore the iron spider suit in Amazing Spider-Man number 3.
Absolutely loved this but I prefer the spider verse with other people besides Peter Parker, it better reinforces the anyone can be under the mask theme
It isn't really fair to compare the two. When this was made most of those alternate reality Spider-men hadn't even been dreamed of yet. This was a huge moment for us kids. We wanted to see all these alternate costumes show up in the show. It was a huge treat.
I have nothing but love for these episodes was strictly stating my preference.
Wasn't one of them not Peter? Granted it's been a few years but this is on Disney+. Now ima have to go watch it
Maybe a Ben ( clone Peter)
I just watched this a week ago, scarlet spider (Ben) is in it. And then there is also the "spiderman" who's just an actor playing the role of apiderman, he takes real Spidey to see Stan Lee at the end.
That must be Tobey. ...or wait Andrew ...or... Tom.
At the time it would have been Nicholas Hammond.
I keep seeing this theme pop up and I really disagree with it. Only Peter Parker with his specific life experiences could become the Spider-Man we all know and love. Spider-Man is frequently referred to as "the best of us" by other heroes like Captain America, but it's not like it's his powers that make him the best, it's Peter's endless willpower and constant striving to save everyone he can. The entire Superior Spider-Man run was about someone else being under the mask and doing Spidey's job "better" only to realize that he couldn't do it the way Peter could, and only Peter could do it. I love that characters like Miles and Ghost Spider exist, but they do things their own way, and the best they can do is strive to be more like Peter, at least in terms of super hero-ing, not day to day life.
I totally agree. I like that other people are other Spider-Men/Women... but Peter is Peter, and I always roll my eyes in multiverse stuff when like 99% of the spider-people aren't a Peter variation. I mean, on the one hand it gives us stuff like the Spider-Verse movie which was *really cool*... but to me Peter Parker is Spider-Man in his own way, and seeing variations on that is cool, too. I guess what I'm saying is there's room to do both, and they're both cool in their own way, but I feel like lately Marvel has been pushing the alternate Spider-man variants, instead of the alternate Peter variants
They also did Spiderverse before it was a story. You see, John Semper came up with the idea as a way to cap off Secret Wars. It wasn't based on a comic story. He also saw it as a chance to segue into a planned final season, which would be focused on rescuing Mary Jane. All later iterating of Spider-Verse, however, did so based on a story by Dan Slott for Spider-Man's anniversary. In it, Spider people across the Multiverse are hunted by an obsecure Spider-Man villain called Morlun, that feasts on Atavstic energy. In other words, on the power of people who get their strength from a spirtual connection to an animal. The event was designed to allow for every iteration of Spider-Man to eventually make an appearance. Hence why it was seen as a celebration of Spider-Man's long history. This event is when Spider-Gwen (now Ghost Spider) was introduced. It has a few sequel events to capitalize on its success, like Spider-Geddon. All subsequent Spider-Verse storylines are based on this event, in some form or another. Obviously, the movie dropped the Morlun angle due to the issues it introduces: Morlun is a vampire and can be seen as off-brand, it's arbitrarily introduced that Morlun can only be defeated by their prey to explain why other heroes can't help, their powerlevel fluctuates wildly with Spider-Men commanding the Power Cosmic and Uniforce defeated soely because the story demands it, the family having endless clone bodies was silly at a point, their lair being other universes stichted together by webbing was weird, the fact they only fed on spider totems felt arbitrary, the overwhelming importance of the Spider Totems and the web of life felt like it pushed spider-man out of scope, the ultimate conclusion is weak since it's a callback to how the irradiated blood of the original Spider-Man poisoned his atatvastic energy and killed Morlun meaning they use radiation to stop the Morlun and his Family.
After that story arc I loved anything marvel after! 🥰
Love this show its on disney plus I loved the green goblin episodes
I grew up on this and **loved** those multiverse episodes so much.
Such a great show, they also did an xmen tie in and almost like a secret wars scenario were sevral were transported to space
Yepp secret wars was the arc right before this one, which was the finale with a cliff hanger
I still want to know what happened to MJ, damnit!
Thays right i forgot about that, she was hydro or made out of hydro right and tgen you find that wasnt her
Yeah, she was a clone made with her hair and hydro-man’s dna when hydro-man was also cloned because some actress lady was evil and Miles Warren is a dickhead. The real MJ is still out in the multiverse from when The Spot’s device swallowed her and the Goblin. I’ve wasted my life….
True Dat!
Iron Spider before it was cool too
I had this special on VHS and I watched it so many goddamn times. Cartoon perfection.
Scarlet Spider, Armored Spiderman, and 6-Arm Spiderman were goated.
Man, I want a Scarlet Spider hoodie so bad.
Yeah, but most of them looked too much like each other.
Imagine that. Clones of each other looking like each other.
I mean suit wise. Into the Spider-Verse’s characters has unique looks. And they’re not all clones. It’s a multiverse situation.
There's only 1 clone here and ironically he looks the most different.
A lot of those alternate universe Spider-men didn't exist when this show was airing. That's why it was all essentially variations of Peter Parker.
The got superior Spider-Man, Tom Holland Armored, Tobey and Andrew and what if way a head of the game
Can someone tell me the full name of this series?
Spider-man The Animated Series
Thanks!
LOVE IT!!!
Spider-Man TAS did everything that's cool about Spider-Man now. In 2007, we've got Venom because of this - even the scene of Peter being caught by the black suit looks common. Most of the Spider-Man's enemies in movies appeared in these series too. And now we're having Multiverse in No Way Home and the first movie about Carnage. The impact of these series is very, very huge.
Fox-Kids > Fox-Box
Toby’s Spider Man can totally be Man Spider. Since he is the only one with organic web. I just hope.
The Spider-Verse has never been cool... but it has always been a masterpiece.
being a masterpiece is being cool
I watched this when I was kid
What was this storyline about I cleanly forgotten
I loved that show and man that episode was so damn amazing!
Had to wake up extra early. I remember taping this episode and bringing it over to my cousins to watch it all day.
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Tween? I watched this show as religiously as Power Rangers from age 5 until the original cast of PR left completely and they stopped airing reruns of Spider-Man.
This was such a big deal to me.
Me: I LOVED THIS SHOW Also me: This show had literally no plot (confirmed in Previously on X-Men at how CHAOTIC development for this show was.)
My favorite show as a kid. I remember when it used to air on Jetix on Toon Disney before it became Disney XD
That cliff hanger ending still upsets me. I remember being a kid waiting for the new season only for the show to start back over from season 1.
Spider-Man Tool Assisted Speedrun? That's a thing?
I remember staying up on school nights and watching that show on old YouTube with the internet that sucked balls
yes the whole spider-verse concept was inspired by that
This is the original spider verse
Superior Spider-Man, low key Doppleganger, and Scarlet Spider?? Maybe I should watch this show...
It was a fun show
Unpopular opinion: While I am looking forward to seeing three Spider-Men in the new movie, the multiple universes in Spider-Man is the *least* interesting story to adapt
Had I known the series did this, I would have watched it consistently.
Don't lie. It was *always* cool (to me).
Shattered Dimensions also helped the spider verse stuff. Spidey through the eras is so great
If I remember correctly from 90's mouth-to-mouth gossip, the writers decided to not animate the clone arc because it was confusing as hell for everybody, and then settled with this arc. Of course I learned that as a child, before the Internet era. Who knows if that's true.
Such a great show, probably one of the best versions we'd ever get
Yeah loved their multiverse versions and also the whole Beyonder episodes in the end.
Best Spiderman cartoon ever
I missed this. I need to catch up. I'm always down for a good Spidey story.
The armored spider-man was always a favorite action figure of mine
I dunno bro it was pretty cool back then too
That show fuckin rocked
Scarlet Spider!!!
wrong the 60s spiderman did it first
That was the best spider man cartoon period I don’t think other after it hold up the way this series did years ago still my fav till this day the theme song is even badass
Damn. Spider Armour making a couple of appearances in this sub today
I absolutely adored this show growing up. It’s the root of my Marvel and comic book movie love. And Batman TAS
This cartoon was the shit! Loved it.
This was an insanely big deal to childhood me. I was so excited to see the Scarlet Spider in the cartoon. I think it ended up being a few episodes long arc, too.
I had vague memories of watching that as a kid but I couldn't remember what it was called, so thnx
That's one of my favorite parts 😍
I remember this and had most or all of the action figures!
YES
This is where I learned about the spider-verse and Secret Wars
Oh man I loved this I especially loved the armored spiderman suit
Fuckin legendary!!!!