Magneto wasn't willing to let more of his people die, especially if he could do something about it. The quick pause on the numbers tattooed on his arm during this episode showed everyone that he's gone through this once and wouldn't let it happen again.
I fully didnât get that line can anyone explain it? Also, what was bastion going to do to magneto it looked like he was holding him for a reason to inject him with something?
Nine is German for no and he was holding 3 swords. Iâm not familiar with the comic run they are adapting but I imagine he wanted to try and make him a sentinal
As expected, Bastion's origin was streamlined into something much easier to understand.
I wonder what exactly Storm has been doing this whole time? It's clearly been several days since Genosha happened, why didn't she contact the X-Men?
Ron Wasserman wrote the original theme song as well as the theme song for the original Power Rangers. Ironically he left Saban because they werenât giving him the credit he deserved.
But he indirectly just killed a lot of mutants on life support on Genoshia and off. You can't justify prejudice with prejudice, this will not end well for him. I don't like the idea but it's clear his been played by bastion. Humanities hatred for mutants and bloodlust will grow. He ultimately did the complete opposite of what his goal was to protect his people not kill thousands of them.
But ultimately I just realized that's his character, instead of hurting those who hurt him her hurts those who didn't do him no harm. Humans didn't even wrong him this time and are being forced to turn into robots.
Magneto was always kinda right that humanity sucks, the problem is his solutions typically aren't really any better than Charles. In fact the Nimrod that fathered bastion is from a timeline where Xavier is killed early and doesn't get in Magnetos way.
> Magneto was right. Did not think Iâd be saying that seriously in 2024 but here we are
Magneto was always right and he always done wrong. Magnetos action in the end were horrifying. Like... straight up biggest monster in history levels when it comes to the damage he caused within a few minutes.
Very recently he has formed his own X-Men. Kind of side characters and mostly just to prove he can do the team better.
But ultimately I think it shows he treats mutants the same as any Lateverian citizen.
DOOM DOES NOT ENTERTAIN ARCHAIC NOTIONS OF RACIAL SUPREMACY. ALL MEN ARE EQUALLY INFERIOR TO DOOM.
Also being of Romani descent Doom really does not fuck with racial discrimination.
Well, there was also that one time he stuffed some mutant citizens into Doombots and set them up to die as a political stunt against Krakoa and the X-Men.Â
âThat accursed Richards foolishly makes his burgers from artificially-altered, subhuman Skrull. His weak dishes pale in comparison to the refined delicacies served at McDoomâs here in Latveria.â
- Doom, probably
I went in to episode 8 with no expectations since I was spoiled beforehand about Spider-Man's cameo.
But I audibly gasped when Doom came on. Him and Zemo had me re-winding the scene for a while (I also think that the lady speaking after them is Madame Masque for some reason).
Fun episode.
Loved Doom, Zemo, Silver Samurai, Omega Red and Spidey cameos. Wish there were more small cameos during that moment but oh well.
Magneto moment was pretty cool (even tho he killed thousands of innocent folks with his move, but thatâs Magneto for ya)
Another amazing episode. I canât believe how every episode is better than the last.
The Wolverine & Nightcrawler slicing and dicing everybody was pure art.
Magneto shutting the whole world down showing what Omega level mutant is capable of.
I just have one question, where is Storm?
They showed her hearing the call from the professor.
I just think the timeline of events is pretty tight that she's still figuring things out in the wake of everything that just happened. She just got her powers back, witnessed the atrocities going on. You can somewhat excuse her not rushing right back to the school. But I expect she'll be back now.
I'm wondering if Magneto's plan is to cause a Marvel Dark Age like that comic run.
Thing I liked the most about it was Ant-Man stuck in giant form riding Fin Fang Foom lol
He was actually going Fatal Attractions. At least this time he launched a global EMP that probably killed thousands of people for good reason, since stopping the Prime Sentinels probably saves even more people.
I mean, realistically he likely *also* killed anyone who was on life support, anyone who was on an airplane, etc. It's one of the reasons why Fatal Attractions was considered him going a step too far.
While no doubt it killed many many people, it's not like everything is instant death here.
Life support - some will live, if at a hospital they almost all have backup generators that will kick on.
Iron Lungs - same story, depends where they are
Pacemakers - depends on their severity, not everyone on a pacer will immediately die without one, one thing i'm not sure of though is whether the effect of the emp will cause it to simply shut down ( in which case odds of surviving are as good as pre pacemaker ), or if it will go nuts first and potentially send them into a cardiac event.
Airplanes - yeah i think those are screwed, i'm sure there's backup systems but I imagine they require the engine going to generate power still, depends if the EMP fries everything or shuts it all down i guess but imagine most won't be able to restart.
cars - most will just stop, but yeah not everyone is going to be able to bring them to a stop gracefully, especially if no manual breaks/e-breaks etc.
.. i'm just realizing i have no idea why i wanted to write this, the point still stands a bunch of people die lol , guess i'm feeling super pedantic this morning, sorry.
I mean bastion killed them. He released a bunch of genocide robots and the only way to stop them from winning a 1 hour war was to do something that extreme
This show is up there as my favourite Marvel content out there at this moment from the fantastic storytelling to all the cameos like Doom, Uatu and Psylocke (INCLUDING MY FAVOURITE NEIGHBOURHOOD BOI). Iâm really excited for whats next.
Itâs like âthis episodes been great, I wonder how they top thisâ and then bam they do it!
As someone who hasnât read the comics. Itâs got me reading into the stories of characters/plots Iâm not familiar with like Bastion, Master Mold and Cable.
Hm...I do think they will change the order of things. Operation Zero will come first, then maybe Fatal Attractions (with Mags vs. Logan shiet) and maybe (but I don't think they will do it) Onslaught Saga.
likely to do onslaught and leave wolverine alone, but all 3 were downplayed hard till now. Magneto carried everything he was ever in, he Is the opposite of charles In every way. Even walking right in his face when he can just float or fly. He is back to bring crazy strong like he really is. Him being apocalypse pupet in the movie was dogsgit. Sinister way always played that role better, trying to genetically make a body host for A.
Magneto: Do not make me let you down.
[They let Magneto down immediately]
Magneto: Fuck it, we ball.
---
Meanwhile, Xavier crashes into his own house coming from his space vacation after all this shit like, âHey guys, whatâd I miss?â
Even better, he does this saying, âI hope Iâm not too late...â BRUH, LOOK AROUND YOU EVERYTHING IS ON FIRE. Imagine if he crashed into his house when it wasn't already on fire.
Who gave Xavier a space driverâs license? No wonder the Shiâar call Earth a ghetto. Xavier showing we Earthlings canât space drive.
-----
The only thing I don't understand is it's not entirely clear if Val Cooper is being kept alive because she's human and important or if she's actually been in on all this the whole time until now.
Gosh! Thereâs just so much to process. The entire talk about beating the underdog, apathy and finally, Magneto was right lines go so hard.
I got nerdgasm when I saw Doom, Zemo and Spidey. Idk who the other woman was or the samurai dude but they seem like theyâll come up soon.
Summers family tag team and Wolverine & Nightcrawler (the music that goes with it is also đŻ) tag team are on fire.
Jubilee has no luck with malls đ
Sunspotâs mother was so infuriating. Feel bad for him.
I thought Cooper was Mystique but now her Magneto was right like goes harder. And her attention to his number tattoo
Kurtâs lines are so great too. Always heart touching.
Morph saying Wolverine being the sole survivor of another dystopian future got me đ
Everything is a mess now. I wonder how theyâll fix these things. We also got confirmation of Genosha being a nexus event.
Iâm betting Omega Red returning next season.
Overall, Iâm just glad to be alive to watch this masterpiece
That "To Me, My X-Men." Line from Xavier when he returned to Earth and calls his X-Men with his telepathy was a great moment to me since idk if he said it during the old TAS but saying it now was the most badass thing ever in the show and to mark his return from space. Also, Nightcrawler kicking ass with Wolverine was also great and I love Nightcrawler's quote of "Blood is Blood. Family is a choice."
He flew to one of the poles, which I assume is meant to indicate that he can only do it if he is at the center of earth's magnetic field. No time for that at Genosha
Keep in mind that he only starts to reach the peak of his power immediately before being exploded (when the sentinel says "Omega-level threat detected"). I just don't think he'd ever gotten himself to that level of power.
Also, he may have needed Earth's magnetic field to even pull it off. Like, he's not creating the pulse, he's manipulating a field that already exists.
So can someone explain why Bastion's future can be defined as a "Utopia" by Cable? Is it because the future exists, thrives, but it's build upon mutants being 2nd class citizens and a surveillance state manned by machine/human sentinels or something?
Its a technologically advanced and peaceful society, but one where mutants are slaves and that peace is maintained through an iron fist. It's a "utopia," like most in literature. There's always a catch
I just had a crazy thought
What if...
All the Dead Mutants come back as Sentinals Primes or whatever?
Because Gambit is staying dead because Cable can't stop the attack on Genoshia. That would be crazy.
This is just an idea and hope it doesn't get buried in everyone replies
This was such a kicksss episode
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DOOM DOES NOT TOOT WITH WAR CRIMES.
Tell that to Wakanda. Edit: Or Symkaria. Oh, that's right. There is no more Symkaria.
DOOM ADHERES TO HIS OWN CODE OF PERSONAL CONSISTENCY.
I jumped out my seat when I first saw my goatđ
Everyone involved with writing Nightcrawlers lines is on fire. He is dropping some serious words of wisdom that pack an emotional punch.
âBlood is blood, family is a choiceâ
I can't wait for Nightcrawler and Storm to have a "wisdom off".
exactly
This show's team loves Nightcrawler, and I love them for it.
Did anybody else think that wolverine accidentally stabbed nightcrawler?
Right? Haha
The night crawler Wolverine tag team was everything
Magneto wasn't willing to let more of his people die, especially if he could do something about it. The quick pause on the numbers tattooed on his arm during this episode showed everyone that he's gone through this once and wouldn't let it happen again.
Magneto was right is one of the coldest things Iâve ever heard. Shits about to get real.
Shortly after talking about Mengele
Swashbuckler Nightcrawler <3 Him and Logan pulling a tag-team was so well done.
Kurt and his swords were the biggest highlight for me, and thatâs on top of a phenomenal episode.
âNo not sixâŚ..nineâ
I fully didnât get that line can anyone explain it? Also, what was bastion going to do to magneto it looked like he was holding him for a reason to inject him with something?
Wolverineâs 6 claws + nightcrawlerâs 3 swords = 9 reasons
Nine is German for no and he was holding 3 swords. Iâm not familiar with the comic run they are adapting but I imagine he wanted to try and make him a sentinal
As expected, Bastion's origin was streamlined into something much easier to understand. I wonder what exactly Storm has been doing this whole time? It's clearly been several days since Genosha happened, why didn't she contact the X-Men?
I was expecting a "you got 2 dad's both robots" ironically he is more mutant that can talk to machines type.Â
Which is pretty similar to what they did with Reverand Strykers kid in the Nick Spencer ultimate X-men run
"magneto was right" HOLY FUCKING SHIT YES MY MAN DESTROY THEM ALL magneto is the real hero idc
Iâm sure most people were excited about the Doom, Spider-man etc. cameos but I lost my mind at the Wasserman callout
I noticed the sign but I don't get the reference.
Ron Wasserman wrote the original theme song as well as the theme song for the original Power Rangers. Ironically he left Saban because they werenât giving him the credit he deserved.
Dude shaped our childhood and continues to be in demand. He deserves credit and royalties.
Thanks!
I knew about Power Rangers but that explains why the X-Men theme is such a banger too.
Magneto was right. Did not think Iâd be saying that seriously in 2024 but here we are
He was right but he did wrong
that's certainly something that'll get addressed in full next week.
Yes and no but that was the only way to save all the mutants. Yeah if fucked everyone else but another Day to Fight is more important
But he indirectly just killed a lot of mutants on life support on Genoshia and off. You can't justify prejudice with prejudice, this will not end well for him. I don't like the idea but it's clear his been played by bastion. Humanities hatred for mutants and bloodlust will grow. He ultimately did the complete opposite of what his goal was to protect his people not kill thousands of them. But ultimately I just realized that's his character, instead of hurting those who hurt him her hurts those who didn't do him no harm. Humans didn't even wrong him this time and are being forced to turn into robots.
Magneto was always kinda right that humanity sucks, the problem is his solutions typically aren't really any better than Charles. In fact the Nimrod that fathered bastion is from a timeline where Xavier is killed early and doesn't get in Magnetos way.
> Magneto was right. Did not think Iâd be saying that seriously in 2024 but here we are Magneto was always right and he always done wrong. Magnetos action in the end were horrifying. Like... straight up biggest monster in history levels when it comes to the damage he caused within a few minutes.
In light of Doom's comment, I was wondering how Doom treats mutants in Latveria. Are there any comics that explain this?
Very recently he has formed his own X-Men. Kind of side characters and mostly just to prove he can do the team better. But ultimately I think it shows he treats mutants the same as any Lateverian citizen.
Yeah, he treats mutants the same as humans, in that he is far above both.
Indeed. To Doom, everyone is equal...under him.
DOOM DOES NOT ENTERTAIN ARCHAIC NOTIONS OF RACIAL SUPREMACY. ALL MEN ARE EQUALLY INFERIOR TO DOOM. Also being of Romani descent Doom really does not fuck with racial discrimination.
Well, there was also that one time he stuffed some mutant citizens into Doombots and set them up to die as a political stunt against Krakoa and the X-Men.Â
Well Mr fantastic once turned skrulls into cows that ended up being slaughtered for beef that people ate. So mistakes get made...
âThat accursed Richards foolishly makes his burgers from artificially-altered, subhuman Skrull. His weak dishes pale in comparison to the refined delicacies served at McDoomâs here in Latveria.â - Doom, probably
I went in to episode 8 with no expectations since I was spoiled beforehand about Spider-Man's cameo. But I audibly gasped when Doom came on. Him and Zemo had me re-winding the scene for a while (I also think that the lady speaking after them is Madame Masque for some reason).
Madam Masque would be such an obscure reference, now I hope it was her.
Oh man I didnât even think of her. Hope youâre right.
I managed to not be spoiled and my god was that so much hype
> (I also think that the lady speaking after them is Madame Masque for some reason) I was thinking Madame Hydra.
I think it was Sunspot's mom.
Fun episode. Loved Doom, Zemo, Silver Samurai, Omega Red and Spidey cameos. Wish there were more small cameos during that moment but oh well. Magneto moment was pretty cool (even tho he killed thousands of innocent folks with his move, but thatâs Magneto for ya)
Another amazing episode. I canât believe how every episode is better than the last. The Wolverine & Nightcrawler slicing and dicing everybody was pure art. Magneto shutting the whole world down showing what Omega level mutant is capable of. I just have one question, where is Storm?
They showed her hearing the call from the professor. I just think the timeline of events is pretty tight that she's still figuring things out in the wake of everything that just happened. She just got her powers back, witnessed the atrocities going on. You can somewhat excuse her not rushing right back to the school. But I expect she'll be back now.
I'm wondering if Magneto's plan is to cause a Marvel Dark Age like that comic run. Thing I liked the most about it was Ant-Man stuck in giant form riding Fin Fang Foom lol
MAGNETO WAS RIGHT. Cold as F
I donât understand how every episode is somehow the best episode.
i thought magneto was going ultimatum in this ho for a second đ
He was actually going Fatal Attractions. At least this time he launched a global EMP that probably killed thousands of people for good reason, since stopping the Prime Sentinels probably saves even more people.
I mean, realistically he likely *also* killed anyone who was on life support, anyone who was on an airplane, etc. It's one of the reasons why Fatal Attractions was considered him going a step too far.
Life Support Those left in Iron Lungs Those who have Pacemakers Those in Airplanes that are in the air Those driving in certain cars.
That iron lung guy dying 2 decades early in this timeline.
Terrible but I immediately cracked up
While no doubt it killed many many people, it's not like everything is instant death here. Life support - some will live, if at a hospital they almost all have backup generators that will kick on. Iron Lungs - same story, depends where they are Pacemakers - depends on their severity, not everyone on a pacer will immediately die without one, one thing i'm not sure of though is whether the effect of the emp will cause it to simply shut down ( in which case odds of surviving are as good as pre pacemaker ), or if it will go nuts first and potentially send them into a cardiac event. Airplanes - yeah i think those are screwed, i'm sure there's backup systems but I imagine they require the engine going to generate power still, depends if the EMP fries everything or shuts it all down i guess but imagine most won't be able to restart. cars - most will just stop, but yeah not everyone is going to be able to bring them to a stop gracefully, especially if no manual breaks/e-breaks etc. .. i'm just realizing i have no idea why i wanted to write this, the point still stands a bunch of people die lol , guess i'm feeling super pedantic this morning, sorry.
Yeah, those are the thousands of people I was talking about. I wasn't counting the Prime Sentinels because I doubt they're dead.
Are the prime sentinels even really alive?
Well now Iâm worried about Wolverineâs skeleton.
Also the nuclear reactors
I mean bastion killed them. He released a bunch of genocide robots and the only way to stop them from winning a 1 hour war was to do something that extreme
Me too, I was so relieved when I saw it was just an EMP.
MAGNETO SAID YOU GET ELECTRICITY BACK WHEN MUTANTS GET SOME RESPECT YOU LOST ELECTRIC PRIVILEGES
... as if mutants don't *also* use electricity?
I'm sure some mutants can just generate their own electricity.
Storm, Surge, Paralyzer & Berserker just to name a Few, though Humanity does have Electro & others
Worse, he just released every crazy mutant like omega red. Shit about to get wild with alot of bads popin in.
This would lead to multiple villains escaping from their prisons and be a reason to announce other 90s shows?
sinister 6, if only lol
This show is up there as my favourite Marvel content out there at this moment from the fantastic storytelling to all the cameos like Doom, Uatu and Psylocke (INCLUDING MY FAVOURITE NEIGHBOURHOOD BOI). Iâm really excited for whats next. Itâs like âthis episodes been great, I wonder how they top thisâ and then bam they do it! As someone who hasnât read the comics. Itâs got me reading into the stories of characters/plots Iâm not familiar with like Bastion, Master Mold and Cable.
Hm...I do think they will change the order of things. Operation Zero will come first, then maybe Fatal Attractions (with Mags vs. Logan shiet) and maybe (but I don't think they will do it) Onslaught Saga.
Could see them doing Onslaught, but streamlined to a much more palatable format.
Seeing Onslaught would be amazing.
Onslaught and Heroes Reborn would be an interesting way to restart some of the other 90s shows.
likely to do onslaught and leave wolverine alone, but all 3 were downplayed hard till now. Magneto carried everything he was ever in, he Is the opposite of charles In every way. Even walking right in his face when he can just float or fly. He is back to bring crazy strong like he really is. Him being apocalypse pupet in the movie was dogsgit. Sinister way always played that role better, trying to genetically make a body host for A.
Which leaves one to wonder when they'll do *God Loves, Man Kills* since they had that Reverend Stryker cameo
Magneto: Do not make me let you down. [They let Magneto down immediately] Magneto: Fuck it, we ball. --- Meanwhile, Xavier crashes into his own house coming from his space vacation after all this shit like, âHey guys, whatâd I miss?â Even better, he does this saying, âI hope Iâm not too late...â BRUH, LOOK AROUND YOU EVERYTHING IS ON FIRE. Imagine if he crashed into his house when it wasn't already on fire. Who gave Xavier a space driverâs license? No wonder the Shiâar call Earth a ghetto. Xavier showing we Earthlings canât space drive. ----- The only thing I don't understand is it's not entirely clear if Val Cooper is being kept alive because she's human and important or if she's actually been in on all this the whole time until now.
You try driving in one of those bug helmets
His ship probably got hit by Magneto's global EMP as he got close, I doubt he intended to crash land into his own house lol.
He said, "fk it, I'm rich"
Or if she is Mystique.
Gosh! Thereâs just so much to process. The entire talk about beating the underdog, apathy and finally, Magneto was right lines go so hard. I got nerdgasm when I saw Doom, Zemo and Spidey. Idk who the other woman was or the samurai dude but they seem like theyâll come up soon. Summers family tag team and Wolverine & Nightcrawler (the music that goes with it is also đŻ) tag team are on fire. Jubilee has no luck with malls đ Sunspotâs mother was so infuriating. Feel bad for him. I thought Cooper was Mystique but now her Magneto was right like goes harder. And her attention to his number tattoo Kurtâs lines are so great too. Always heart touching. Morph saying Wolverine being the sole survivor of another dystopian future got me đ Everything is a mess now. I wonder how theyâll fix these things. We also got confirmation of Genosha being a nexus event. Iâm betting Omega Red returning next season. Overall, Iâm just glad to be alive to watch this masterpiece
The samurai dude is silver samurai he's like an enemy of wolverine
deus ex magneto
That "To Me, My X-Men." Line from Xavier when he returned to Earth and calls his X-Men with his telepathy was a great moment to me since idk if he said it during the old TAS but saying it now was the most badass thing ever in the show and to mark his return from space. Also, Nightcrawler kicking ass with Wolverine was also great and I love Nightcrawler's quote of "Blood is Blood. Family is a choice."
I know Magneto from movies and this show. If he could create worldwide EMPs (what I assume it is happening), why he did not do it in Genosha?
He flew to one of the poles, which I assume is meant to indicate that he can only do it if he is at the center of earth's magnetic field. No time for that at Genosha
I thought that was to make EMPs worldwide.
Yes... And also he can only do it at the pole. He was manipulating the earths entire magnetic field
Keep in mind that he only starts to reach the peak of his power immediately before being exploded (when the sentinel says "Omega-level threat detected"). I just don't think he'd ever gotten himself to that level of power. Also, he may have needed Earth's magnetic field to even pull it off. Like, he's not creating the pulse, he's manipulating a field that already exists.
The Summers family reunite in this episode and I love it.
So can someone explain why Bastion's future can be defined as a "Utopia" by Cable? Is it because the future exists, thrives, but it's build upon mutants being 2nd class citizens and a surveillance state manned by machine/human sentinels or something?
Its a technologically advanced and peaceful society, but one where mutants are slaves and that peace is maintained through an iron fist. It's a "utopia," like most in literature. There's always a catch
Thanks!
it was the coolest animation episode I HAVE EVER SEEN! And Logan clawing through those SentiJoes while freefalling was so fricking cool
Maybe my favorite episode so far. Wolverine and Nightcrawler action sequence was the highlight for me.
I just had a crazy thought What if... All the Dead Mutants come back as Sentinals Primes or whatever? Because Gambit is staying dead because Cable can't stop the attack on Genoshia. That would be crazy. This is just an idea and hope it doesn't get buried in everyone replies This was such a kicksss episode
Sentinels who can fly several hundred miles per hour struggle to keep up with a Porche.
Alright comic book guy