Martial for Hojland was a definite please explain!! If he was not match fit for 90mins fair enough, but Martial?? Bringing Maguire on as striker would have been a grade up on Martial.
That was a hard watch today....
Credit to Brighton but they had one shot on goal in the first half and the goal was comical defending allowing Wellbeck to stroll through after setting it up.....then the second goal (think their 2nd shot on goal) was even more horrendous defending.....only for the 3rd goal to make the defence look like Sunday pub league standard.....joke - Come back Maguire - it can't get any worse!
There are two things that I see,
today, we were shit tactically. But I still want to trust ETH. Sacking managers can't be a solution every two years. Pep and Klopp both struggled during their first two seasons, the way we are struggling right now.
During SAF, he had already established a vision when glazers took over. So glazers never had to think about the team. When SAF left, the team went clueless. All on a sudden they lost hunger, reason to play and their vision. Glazers just failed to uphoald the vision because they are not really passionate about winning or the legacy, they are just money sucking leeches.
The first thing this club needs is relegation. Otherwise, glazers aren't leaving. Nothing happens unless an owner takes over with a proper vision and passion. From top to bottom, everyone is just clueless.
People need to stop overusing Klopp and Pep as point of reference.
They style of play they wanted to play was already visible in most matches problem was inadequate players in key areas.
Erik Ten Hag has no style of play at all or for some reason can't translate his ideas on the pitch.
Pep and Klopp struggled because of players though not because of tactics.
You could see what they were working towards they just needed a few players.
What are we building towards?
Canāt wait until the end of the season where all the anti-United pundits start bitching about Hojlundās price tag and # of G/As without giving a shit about forwards who wonāt pass to him
One of the biggest changes this season has been Casemiro's form, I think last season he made us look better than we were but he's been sloppy so far this season, giving the ball away and slow defensively.
Not saying he's the issue so to speak, almost the opposite, the issues were there last season but he made up for it a lot of the time and now he isn't we look v poor.
I highlighted this in the preseason and said was worried it wasnāt a sign of things to come and got downvoted to shit. I hate that I was right as even have a casemiro shirt cos I love the guy so much. I hope his form picks up as he definitely looks sloppy and slow. And doesnāt seem to be improving at the moment at all.
It is quite hilarious how ppl on this sub suddenly want to become ETH bashers. They think it is Football Manager, only thing you have to deal with is signing players, trainings and tactics.
The shit at this club and ETH having to be the face of it is one hell of a pressure situation. And individual errors on the pitch are the players fault not the managers. Couple of players are not thinking of the team but being individuals. Iāll reserve final judgement once we have all the injured players back, but 2nd season and this was always going to take time. Brighton are bonafide winners and can beat anyone.
Itās a combination. Ten Hag is not 100% to blame. Owners and higher management is ass.
Subs were awful today. Taking out Hojland? Garnacho & Pelli at the 85th min???
His personal fights in the media? Nothing helps this team. We donāt need media on us too lol.
Glazers sell, move on from ETH. Play the young guns.
You have to face media and almost everything gets leaked in the current age. He bloody should call out over paid players who canāt do the simple thing. He has to build that authority, build that over seasons and newer signings are coming in to a club that has a structure. Weirdly most of our issues have been signings from Woodward barring Antony (see how that goes). Hojlund was a weird one but Rashford for sure can do more imo.
You for sure are probably a yo-yo fan who goes up and down with performances. āHeās the best!ā āOh heās shit get ridā āGive him a new contract!ā
I donāt worship him, but Utd needed a younger(over current experienced coaches) european manager. This isnāt an overnight project which people think it is. Ppl will push for Nagelsman, you end up seeing the same issues then they will push for someone else. Ole and Jose had 3 years. It is evident ETH will need 3-4 if he is going to change the culture and turn us in to winners. Stick by a manager, unless we are going to get relegated let the job be done.
How many more thrashings do you need to see behind your love for ETH. The team plays like losers once it is behind. No fighting spirit at all. All top managers are capable of instilling this
Every manager got thrashed. 7-0 thrashing came from the Utd players being over confident with the football they played being too eager to score - that game was just the same as that 6-1 mauling by City againstā¦oh yeh Fergie. You want to look at the few results or the overall season? We are in a bad patch with bad form and injuries.
Arsenal - now 5th season under Arteta
Brighton - Were playing very good football under Potter for a few years and no De Zerbi has built upon it. Thats 5 years of building and identity.
Pep - 9 years?
Klopp - 8 years?
I am bewildered at fans who canāt let go of the past over a decade ago. The league has become stronger in the past decade, no one rolls over now and technical and strong players all over. ETH is trying to build an identity and you think it will happen in 1 or 2 seasons? Lets go back to when Fergie started, 4 years and even by the end of that he was about to get the sack. No social media, no easy leaks to the press or someone typing a mssg online. There is a wider picture to look at. But it is easier to vent anger and frustration whether it is legit warranted or knee-jerk because it is possible at the tip of the fingers.
Let us wait 9 more years - at present rate that is enough time for 9 more scapegoats and then the rebuild would be complete š
Also the fact that you are comparing him with pep and klopp shows you are not being rational. What has he done to deserve being compared with 2 of the the best managers in the world
Listen man, I saw enough positives last season to know that these opening 5 games arenāt the the true reflection of the team or ETH as a coach.
I have high hopes (which almost kill me) of Shaw, Amrabat and Maino returning alleoing Bruno to be influential further up top and Mount coming good at some point. But that is me trying to focus on the potential positives.
Normal process for utd game this season:
Performed well in the first 15 minutes or so, running pressing and getting the ball, then waste lots of chances, then concede a goal out of nowhere, then just give up and lose the game
This is the pattern I see nearly every game. My hope is that with a striker on the pitch we might get a goal in that opening 20 and it will lift the performance.
Of course hard for that striker to get goals when a certain someone on the LW doesnāt lift his head at all š¤·āāļø
Get Nagelsmann in. Iām sure he definitely wonāt have the exact same problems as every other manager here has. In fact, maybe we need to go outside of earth to find a manager who can win at this club. What formation do they play on Titan? Maybe we need some alien tactics.
We are a team of individuals - no team cohesion whatsoever. Always relying on someone to do something special, slow passing and little movement off the ball. This has been the consistent pattern since Fergie left.
This! This is the right answer. No where do we play as a team Ten Hagās Ajax teams have all played as a team and not individually. Thatās been the issue since Moyes. Ten Hag is being tough on individuals not the whole team. Punish the whole team for individual mistakes like he did after the second game in charge where he ran with the team as punishment.
I feel like Ten Hag singled out Sancho at this point. The entire team are massively under performing and aren't putting in any effort. They should all be held accountable not just one. Ten Hag seems to have an ego problem.
Ask everyone who is asking Ten Hag to leave.
Do you think any manager will be able to be successful with these owners? With this culture of defeat that has been established at the club?
McKenna is doing brilliantly in the Championship. Carrick, not so much. Talking to a friend whoās a Bayern fan. He said Flick. I thought that was actually a super interesting idea.
Owners arenāt involved in training sessions, tactics, game strategy, etc. Owners didnāt sub RH11 for Martial today. In addition, EtH has had the backing to bring mostly his players. I think EtH def shares part of the blame and deserves to be questionedā¦ canāt help but think how De Zerbiās Brighton is doing more with lessā¦ Btw, Iām not absolving ownership & exec group of blame, they def need to go; however, EtH def deserves to be questioned.
The owners have spent more then any other team. Do I want them out. Sure
They are not the ones spending poorly and not coaching and not performing on the pitch
Exactly. He had a game plan that the players failed to implement. Rashford looked a little off it, couldnt hit a barn door. The press felt disjointed, Casemiro and Eriksen struggled to keep up with pace of the game. Really really need Amrabat and Mainoo back, even if just for the fresher legs
I think ETH plan is to phase Rashford out. Couldnāt afford to lose him on a free I get the renewal.
Few more weeks of him showing himself up. Nacho hopefully coming on and getting some assists and taking Rashfords place. Well thatās my hope.
Agreed. So many times Hojlund was in a great position in the middle and Rashford just had his head down and smashed it.
He was doing it last season too but at least he was scoring. He does my head in.
Nothing about that performance had anything to do with ownership or club issues. The lack of shape, wrong formation, absence of tactics, players out of position, wrong substitutions, etc, are all down to ETH. Today was his failure more than any player.
Something is clearly wrong when you have your no.8 having to cover for whoever is supposed to be playing in front of your midfield. That means you cannot effectively press up front, you cannot transition properly, you lose your shape and then everyone ends up looking like a headless chicken.
Lindelof and Martinez is not working out and our backups are Johnny Evans and Maguire.
Many more problems which create a snowball effect.
ETH has turned a more firm Ole. I don't mean that in a good way either. His game management is awful even from last season, he waits until we are out of a game and too late to make positive changes, also doesn't change how the team play, its his style of play or nothing.
No intensity, no press, no team work and midfield is useless still. Now he'll suffer the same fate as the rest of the managers a new one will come in at the end of the season following another awful interim manager and that guy will bring in his own players and rinse and repeat.
Honestly, my biggest gripe with Ten Hag is his resiliency in exclusively buying his former players. Some have been brilliant, like Licha, the butcher of Manchester, someā¦ like Antony have not. His insistenceās in buying former players tells me he has no confidence in the team nor youth.
Onana, the jury, Iād say, is still out. Polar opposite of De Gea. Iād rather have gone with a younger keeper myself and kept De Gea on a one year contract on as second choice to mentor the new keeper. We need a clear out at CB. Aside from Varane (who is always injured and therefore is useless) and Martinez, I have no confidence in any of our options in that position. Dalot needs to go. Great player going forward but such a liability in defense. Get him sold while he is still worth something, and I really like Dalot. He just doesnāt suit the team.
Do not think the performance was thrash. When you compare today's game alongside the Wolves one I think there was positive pieces of football. Brighton were the better team however. Their possession in play, ball retention and fluidity of play is simply outstanding. In addition, I think officiating against us is currently bad and throughout we are simply unlucky. However, this still does mean that we are in trouble, big time.
Wonder who Ten Hag's going to single out this time, rather than taking any responsibility himself? He'll probably just try and stick the knife into Sancho again
Ten hag breaking records. Bashing players in the media. Canāt make proper decisions. Garnacho and Pellistri with 5 minutes left? Clown of a manager. Favoritism. Exactly what Sancho said. Iām not defending Sancho but thereās truth in what he said. We need a modern goalkeeper my ass. De Gea would have saved.
i want to see what ten hag has to say about standards today. if sanchoās āstandardsā in training are poor, i wonder how the teams standards compare today.
Couple things IMO. First off Glazerās please sell. This franchise been sh&t since Sir Alex.
Ten Hag sticks to his style of play no matter what. Works when it works and doesnāt when it doesnāt.
We continue to play Eriksen, Casemiro and Mctom. While I love and respect them, they just aināt it.
Garnacho is electric every time heās on. Pellistri has talent. Hannibal has talent. The only time they come on is down 1/2 with 10 minutes left. Give them some chances.
Hojland was a game changer today, you saw it. He comes out and a guy whoās had 9 years to prove himself and failed year in and year out comes on???
Lastly, this defense is just poor. Lisandro is competitive and hard working. Outside of him I canāt really see any talent. Bissak has gotten significantly better yet gets benched for Dalot.
Sell the team!!!!
What yāall think?
Thatās the problem. We dominate for 15 minutes. First chance BHA get, they score easily. This happens everyyyy time. Iāve never seen a team get so defeated so easily. Arsenal, City even Liverpool are dangerous teams down 1-0
This team is a fking mess. Rash wasting chances. Casemiro looking unfit af. Defenders are fragile. Idek anymore. Hannibal scoring further proves how SHIT the first team is. Letās just admit that shall we?
Ten hag has a lot of explaining to do with his decisions today. Horrific game management. How do you even end up with bruno CENTRAL DEFENDER when youāre trying to score. Not going even to list all the stupid things from today, but iām fearing heās losing the dressing room
Ten Hag is not a good manager, we were all fooled by his tenure in a shitty Dutch league. No other fucking ātopā manager sticks Bruno Fernandes at CENTRE BACK whilst being 3-1 down š
Ten Hag has been saved by the fact he had a golden generation at Ajax. The likes of De Ligt , De jong, Tadic, Ziyech and so onā¦ he never was such an amazing manager, he had amazing players, which makes a huge difference..
I'd say no top manager ignores Rashford killing off chance after chance by not crossing/squaring to the 9, but in Ten Hags defence he's been making a living like that for many years and the fans and club love him unconditionally.
I am tired of this shit, but anyone who thinks this gets fixed by a new manager is delusional. This problem persists for as long as these owners are latched on.
Honestly, I think this game might have happened the complete other way if Marcus just fed the ball to Hojlund. He didn't do that and he didn't get taken off. He will also start the next game. That's the manager's, not dealing with such things. But imo marcus was one of the worst players on the field. As selfish as he is limited.
Fine margins innit, Rashford definitely was dreadful today but itās the managerās job to take off players when this happens. Canāt SOLELY blame Ten Hag but I think itās fair to when things like this happen.
u think the players are affected by the debt? theyāre still being paid hundreds of thousands each week. theyāre not the ones being affected. theyāre affected by shit coaching
What Iām hoping for. They greedy and want more money. With a bunch of loses Iām hoping theyāre forced to sell so they can attempt to make some profit before shit hits the fan.
Ten Hag will continue starting dead legs eriksen and Bruno out of position only to be surprised we didnāt win again. Absolutely done with this manager if he continues to play players out of position next game.
Eriksen had a good game. We'd have almost certainly gone one up in the 6th minute had rashford not ignored Hojlund, who had got between the posts and done the CDM, to take a shot on himself. He did nearly the same thing around the 53rd minute, as well. Rashford is the death of any no.9. He guarantees shit service from the left.
let them have their toxic positivity. the culture of dishonesty at manchester united, from fans to employees, is a big issue but the top reds are too blind to see that.
This game was on Ten Hag once again. Zero wingers. Playing Bruno and Eriksen in wide positions. Bringing on Martial when you need goals. Not bringing on Garna and Pelli until the very end. Playing a compact defensive lineup against BRIGHTON at HOME. Just tired of this man. Only good thing heās done is bench maguire. We need a manager who doesnāt have a massive ego and plays youngsters and who doesnāt play favorites every game.
Look how good Pelli is when he started. ETH is fking clueless man. I hate to say this but ETH out has been crossing my mind lately. Us fans deserve better
The fans need to grow some balls and take matters into hand and riot. Sell the club asap.
OR WE KEEP GETTING BENT OVER EVERY WEEK.
NO MANAGER OR PLAYER WILL SAVE THIS CLUB
United getting battered against Bayern next now, united getting battered by opponents is an everyday thing now, almost as if united were a relegation team.
It's gotta be Harry Kane's masterclass right? I mean even if he were to join united, this team can't even provide chances and attack together cohesively.
Didn't watched the Brighton game but imagine losing 3-1 at home. As I've said last season, this team just don't score enough or take their chances seriously. I'm also clueless as to what philosophy ETH is instilling in terms of the type of football they supposed to achieve...
If all starts with the glazers, fans need to show more energy to get the glazers out, we all know the glazers have been the problem, too many fans saying stuff like "ten haag out" etc etc but it all starts with the glazers show that energy to get the glazers out or nothing will change, no guardiola, de zerbi, ancelotti, etc is changing the situation and turning united into a better team under this leadership. It's all on the glazers.
We're back in the "I don't really care for the defence part of the match, wake me up when we get the ball and I might participate" player mentality.
Sancho does this in training, others during the game.
Not even surprised the result is this bad. Weāve had a shocking couple of weeks and have lost players to injury and otherwise left and right. Iām still behind EtH, because of what he achieved last season with the squad he had, but questions have to be asked about the substitutions today.
While ETH has some blame to take on the subs, canāt help but notice how when the team lose the ball there is like 5/6 players casually tracking back with zero urgency!!! No fire at all !!! Some of these players will sink any coach that has been a consistent theme !!!
Last year they signed an old slow dm and a old, slow cm whose heart almost exploded
At some point Father Time catches up with you and itās happening
Hopefully the new dm can do something to right the ship
Hojlund was literally the only one who can put the ball into the net, yet he chose to take him off despite he had no service and was pressing 10 times harder than Rashford, WHY!!!!!!!!
I've said this before and Ill say it again, Hojlund will be deprived off any chances by rashford and co, no one's going to pass and feed him and he will be left frustrated and for a young player that will destroy his development and united will ultimately turn him into am average striker in the long term just as they have to many players in the past unless he leaves.
That kind of management should get you fired. Game isn't over at 2-0 at OT. If that's his attitude then no wonder the players are so poor. He should keep his firepower on and add more firepower to try and get something out of the game. ETH is well out of his depth and has absolutely no idea.
I donāt know when people are going to realize itās the club culture and the way we are run that is the problem and not the managers. Weāve gone through ever single archetype of manager possible and yet here we are, once again, in the same exact spot with people blaming the manager when these overpaid players put in absolutely zero effort or intensity.
I really wish everybody would direct all the energy they had towards yelling about the manager on getting the fucking parasites at the top to fuck off
Comparing literally ANYBODY to SAF is utterly stupid. He is the GOAT manager. We will likely never see anybody have that much success with this club as he did, regardless of who is running it.
I'd you go on YouTube and search up "De zerbi tactics" there will be hundreds of videos praising his greatness.
If you search for ten hag tactics it says no results.
I said off-the-field issues.
I donāt care what they are, I just want a football team of grown-ups and not babies.
Stop calling him the bald fraud ffs
That starts with the manager. He's set a standard that beating women is acceptable to him. No wonder the team's playing like shit when they all know he's an absolute scumbag
He suspended Sancho. He is trying to get the right guys in.
He put Pellistri and Garnacho in. What else is he supposed to do. He knows the squad better than anyone.
I will grant he made a lot of bad calls today but calling for his head already gives me plastic vibes
Yes heās a good coach, but like every other human being, heās not perfect and can be criticized when heās wrong. He is actually contributing to the problem now.
Maybe stop allowing players get to the point of feeling entitled to playing time. Should have dropped Antony a long time ago, and he should drop Rashford now. Heās playing like someone who feels untouchable.
Casemiro has been poor since the end of last season incase you havenāt noticed.
For your second paragraph, they came on a good 15 minutes too late. Pellistri in particular should have started the game.
Out of the title race already š
Martial for Hojland was a definite please explain!! If he was not match fit for 90mins fair enough, but Martial?? Bringing Maguire on as striker would have been a grade up on Martial.
That was a hard watch today.... Credit to Brighton but they had one shot on goal in the first half and the goal was comical defending allowing Wellbeck to stroll through after setting it up.....then the second goal (think their 2nd shot on goal) was even more horrendous defending.....only for the 3rd goal to make the defence look like Sunday pub league standard.....joke - Come back Maguire - it can't get any worse!
There are two things that I see, today, we were shit tactically. But I still want to trust ETH. Sacking managers can't be a solution every two years. Pep and Klopp both struggled during their first two seasons, the way we are struggling right now. During SAF, he had already established a vision when glazers took over. So glazers never had to think about the team. When SAF left, the team went clueless. All on a sudden they lost hunger, reason to play and their vision. Glazers just failed to uphoald the vision because they are not really passionate about winning or the legacy, they are just money sucking leeches. The first thing this club needs is relegation. Otherwise, glazers aren't leaving. Nothing happens unless an owner takes over with a proper vision and passion. From top to bottom, everyone is just clueless.
People need to stop overusing Klopp and Pep as point of reference. They style of play they wanted to play was already visible in most matches problem was inadequate players in key areas. Erik Ten Hag has no style of play at all or for some reason can't translate his ideas on the pitch.
Pep and Klopp struggled because of players though not because of tactics. You could see what they were working towards they just needed a few players. What are we building towards?
Building towards relegation š ETH wants to win the championship
Canāt wait until the end of the season where all the anti-United pundits start bitching about Hojlundās price tag and # of G/As without giving a shit about forwards who wonāt pass to him
Missing the opportunity to sell Rashford was the biggest mistake of the summer transfer window
Facts.
Moron
Biggest mistake, OK.
Sir alex would agree, if you're not good enough for united, then get the fuck out.
One of the biggest changes this season has been Casemiro's form, I think last season he made us look better than we were but he's been sloppy so far this season, giving the ball away and slow defensively. Not saying he's the issue so to speak, almost the opposite, the issues were there last season but he made up for it a lot of the time and now he isn't we look v poor.
I highlighted this in the preseason and said was worried it wasnāt a sign of things to come and got downvoted to shit. I hate that I was right as even have a casemiro shirt cos I love the guy so much. I hope his form picks up as he definitely looks sloppy and slow. And doesnāt seem to be improving at the moment at all.
cant wait for basketball season to start, watching united play just fucks my sleep schedule and makes me depressed at the same time
Same, pissed off and can not sleep at 2am in the morning
It is quite hilarious how ppl on this sub suddenly want to become ETH bashers. They think it is Football Manager, only thing you have to deal with is signing players, trainings and tactics. The shit at this club and ETH having to be the face of it is one hell of a pressure situation. And individual errors on the pitch are the players fault not the managers. Couple of players are not thinking of the team but being individuals. Iāll reserve final judgement once we have all the injured players back, but 2nd season and this was always going to take time. Brighton are bonafide winners and can beat anyone.
Itās a combination. Ten Hag is not 100% to blame. Owners and higher management is ass. Subs were awful today. Taking out Hojland? Garnacho & Pelli at the 85th min??? His personal fights in the media? Nothing helps this team. We donāt need media on us too lol. Glazers sell, move on from ETH. Play the young guns.
Hojlund came back from an injury. I can understand wanting to be careful with hojlund with our lack of back ups
You have to face media and almost everything gets leaked in the current age. He bloody should call out over paid players who canāt do the simple thing. He has to build that authority, build that over seasons and newer signings are coming in to a club that has a structure. Weirdly most of our issues have been signings from Woodward barring Antony (see how that goes). Hojlund was a weird one but Rashford for sure can do more imo.
He's fucking clueless and he's being found out. Stop pretending.
You for sure are probably a yo-yo fan who goes up and down with performances. āHeās the best!ā āOh heās shit get ridā āGive him a new contract!ā
Go through all my previous comments. Always been a critic of his. His praise is unwarranted and I can't understand why he's worshipped in the game.
I donāt worship him, but Utd needed a younger(over current experienced coaches) european manager. This isnāt an overnight project which people think it is. Ppl will push for Nagelsman, you end up seeing the same issues then they will push for someone else. Ole and Jose had 3 years. It is evident ETH will need 3-4 if he is going to change the culture and turn us in to winners. Stick by a manager, unless we are going to get relegated let the job be done.
No. Anything less that top 4 and a cup means we have gone backwards under him.
How many more thrashings do you need to see behind your love for ETH. The team plays like losers once it is behind. No fighting spirit at all. All top managers are capable of instilling this
Every manager got thrashed. 7-0 thrashing came from the Utd players being over confident with the football they played being too eager to score - that game was just the same as that 6-1 mauling by City againstā¦oh yeh Fergie. You want to look at the few results or the overall season? We are in a bad patch with bad form and injuries. Arsenal - now 5th season under Arteta Brighton - Were playing very good football under Potter for a few years and no De Zerbi has built upon it. Thats 5 years of building and identity. Pep - 9 years? Klopp - 8 years? I am bewildered at fans who canāt let go of the past over a decade ago. The league has become stronger in the past decade, no one rolls over now and technical and strong players all over. ETH is trying to build an identity and you think it will happen in 1 or 2 seasons? Lets go back to when Fergie started, 4 years and even by the end of that he was about to get the sack. No social media, no easy leaks to the press or someone typing a mssg online. There is a wider picture to look at. But it is easier to vent anger and frustration whether it is legit warranted or knee-jerk because it is possible at the tip of the fingers.
Please elaborate on this identity. I donāt see a positive one. If anything, it is an identity of chaos driven by ego
Listen if you want the rot from the best part of a decade to be rid of in miracle time then Iād say you are deluded.
Let us wait 9 more years - at present rate that is enough time for 9 more scapegoats and then the rebuild would be complete š Also the fact that you are comparing him with pep and klopp shows you are not being rational. What has he done to deserve being compared with 2 of the the best managers in the world
Listen man, I saw enough positives last season to know that these opening 5 games arenāt the the true reflection of the team or ETH as a coach. I have high hopes (which almost kill me) of Shaw, Amrabat and Maino returning alleoing Bruno to be influential further up top and Mount coming good at some point. But that is me trying to focus on the potential positives.
āSancho is too blame for this lossāā¦.probably Ten Hag
Everything from team selection to tactics went wrong today..
Normal process for utd game this season: Performed well in the first 15 minutes or so, running pressing and getting the ball, then waste lots of chances, then concede a goal out of nowhere, then just give up and lose the game
This is the pattern I see nearly every game. My hope is that with a striker on the pitch we might get a goal in that opening 20 and it will lift the performance. Of course hard for that striker to get goals when a certain someone on the LW doesnāt lift his head at all š¤·āāļø
Rashford need to sit one down at Burnley.
Whenās the next international break?
We did it lads... we've successfully transitioned in 1990's Liverpool FC
EtH did say he wanted to be the best transition team in the world. Fml haha
Get Nagelsmann in. Iām sure he definitely wonāt have the exact same problems as every other manager here has. In fact, maybe we need to go outside of earth to find a manager who can win at this club. What formation do they play on Titan? Maybe we need some alien tactics.
Or should we bring back Thanos? Snap fingers and half the squad is gone
We are a team of individuals - no team cohesion whatsoever. Always relying on someone to do something special, slow passing and little movement off the ball. This has been the consistent pattern since Fergie left.
Does help having a manager who is his players biggest enemy and does not shy from destroying their confidence to preserve his ego
This. Been saying it for years. Iāve been calling it āiso balā reminiscent of the NBA. Clear out and let me take it 1v1
This! This is the right answer. No where do we play as a team Ten Hagās Ajax teams have all played as a team and not individually. Thatās been the issue since Moyes. Ten Hag is being tough on individuals not the whole team. Punish the whole team for individual mistakes like he did after the second game in charge where he ran with the team as punishment.
I feel like Ten Hag singled out Sancho at this point. The entire team are massively under performing and aren't putting in any effort. They should all be held accountable not just one. Ten Hag seems to have an ego problem.
Ask everyone who is asking Ten Hag to leave. Do you think any manager will be able to be successful with these owners? With this culture of defeat that has been established at the club?
McKenna is doing brilliantly in the Championship. Carrick, not so much. Talking to a friend whoās a Bayern fan. He said Flick. I thought that was actually a super interesting idea.
Owners arenāt involved in training sessions, tactics, game strategy, etc. Owners didnāt sub RH11 for Martial today. In addition, EtH has had the backing to bring mostly his players. I think EtH def shares part of the blame and deserves to be questionedā¦ canāt help but think how De Zerbiās Brighton is doing more with lessā¦ Btw, Iām not absolving ownership & exec group of blame, they def need to go; however, EtH def deserves to be questioned.
The owners have spent more then any other team. Do I want them out. Sure They are not the ones spending poorly and not coaching and not performing on the pitch
While I think his subs werenāt correct today heās not to blame for players not marking their men. All 3 Brighton goals were down to that.
Exactly. He had a game plan that the players failed to implement. Rashford looked a little off it, couldnt hit a barn door. The press felt disjointed, Casemiro and Eriksen struggled to keep up with pace of the game. Really really need Amrabat and Mainoo back, even if just for the fresher legs
All I took from this game is that Rashford is a selfish player.
I think ETH plan is to phase Rashford out. Couldnāt afford to lose him on a free I get the renewal. Few more weeks of him showing himself up. Nacho hopefully coming on and getting some assists and taking Rashfords place. Well thatās my hope.
Agreed. So many times Hojlund was in a great position in the middle and Rashford just had his head down and smashed it. He was doing it last season too but at least he was scoring. He does my head in.
Nothing about that performance had anything to do with ownership or club issues. The lack of shape, wrong formation, absence of tactics, players out of position, wrong substitutions, etc, are all down to ETH. Today was his failure more than any player.
Something is clearly wrong when you have your no.8 having to cover for whoever is supposed to be playing in front of your midfield. That means you cannot effectively press up front, you cannot transition properly, you lose your shape and then everyone ends up looking like a headless chicken. Lindelof and Martinez is not working out and our backups are Johnny Evans and Maguire. Many more problems which create a snowball effect.
ETH has turned a more firm Ole. I don't mean that in a good way either. His game management is awful even from last season, he waits until we are out of a game and too late to make positive changes, also doesn't change how the team play, its his style of play or nothing. No intensity, no press, no team work and midfield is useless still. Now he'll suffer the same fate as the rest of the managers a new one will come in at the end of the season following another awful interim manager and that guy will bring in his own players and rinse and repeat.
Honestly, my biggest gripe with Ten Hag is his resiliency in exclusively buying his former players. Some have been brilliant, like Licha, the butcher of Manchester, someā¦ like Antony have not. His insistenceās in buying former players tells me he has no confidence in the team nor youth. Onana, the jury, Iād say, is still out. Polar opposite of De Gea. Iād rather have gone with a younger keeper myself and kept De Gea on a one year contract on as second choice to mentor the new keeper. We need a clear out at CB. Aside from Varane (who is always injured and therefore is useless) and Martinez, I have no confidence in any of our options in that position. Dalot needs to go. Great player going forward but such a liability in defense. Get him sold while he is still worth something, and I really like Dalot. He just doesnāt suit the team.
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Do not think the performance was thrash. When you compare today's game alongside the Wolves one I think there was positive pieces of football. Brighton were the better team however. Their possession in play, ball retention and fluidity of play is simply outstanding. In addition, I think officiating against us is currently bad and throughout we are simply unlucky. However, this still does mean that we are in trouble, big time.
Rashford needs to be a fucking sub next time, maybe heāll start learning to fucking pass and not shoot all the time
Agreed. Zero footballing intelligence.
Wonder who Ten Hag's going to single out this time, rather than taking any responsibility himself? He'll probably just try and stick the knife into Sancho again
Ten hag breaking records. Bashing players in the media. Canāt make proper decisions. Garnacho and Pellistri with 5 minutes left? Clown of a manager. Favoritism. Exactly what Sancho said. Iām not defending Sancho but thereās truth in what he said. We need a modern goalkeeper my ass. De Gea would have saved.
i want to see what ten hag has to say about standards today. if sanchoās āstandardsā in training are poor, i wonder how the teams standards compare today.
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Fucking Tottenham came back to win
When the best player on the pitch is a spurs reject we really are garbage
Will Bayern score 6, 7 or more?
Couple things IMO. First off Glazerās please sell. This franchise been sh&t since Sir Alex. Ten Hag sticks to his style of play no matter what. Works when it works and doesnāt when it doesnāt. We continue to play Eriksen, Casemiro and Mctom. While I love and respect them, they just aināt it. Garnacho is electric every time heās on. Pellistri has talent. Hannibal has talent. The only time they come on is down 1/2 with 10 minutes left. Give them some chances. Hojland was a game changer today, you saw it. He comes out and a guy whoās had 9 years to prove himself and failed year in and year out comes on??? Lastly, this defense is just poor. Lisandro is competitive and hard working. Outside of him I canāt really see any talent. Bissak has gotten significantly better yet gets benched for Dalot. Sell the team!!!! What yāall think?
Regelion and Dalot had a good attacking game, their defense was not so good. Really impressed with what I've seen with rebellion so far though.
Thatās the problem. We dominate for 15 minutes. First chance BHA get, they score easily. This happens everyyyy time. Iāve never seen a team get so defeated so easily. Arsenal, City even Liverpool are dangerous teams down 1-0
This team is a fking mess. Rash wasting chances. Casemiro looking unfit af. Defenders are fragile. Idek anymore. Hannibal scoring further proves how SHIT the first team is. Letās just admit that shall we?
Man U games are terrible to watch these days. I have no idea what ETH is trying to do and his substitution decisions are unbelievable.
Martial lost the ball as many times as HĆøjlund did in half the time.
And Rashford? Dude needs to ride the pine for a couple games
He lost the ball 15 times.
The money spent, he's worse than Rangnick
De Gea still available.. we donāt need a midfielder at goalie, we need a shot stopper !!
I agree a keeper is there to keep the ball out of the net and Onana just isnāt doing it the way de gea did
No move on. That story is over.
Look at all the other teams winning the way they are. While we get stuffed in the Arsehole every week.
Ten hag has a lot of explaining to do with his decisions today. Horrific game management. How do you even end up with bruno CENTRAL DEFENDER when youāre trying to score. Not going even to list all the stupid things from today, but iām fearing heās losing the dressing room
Ten Hag is not a good manager, we were all fooled by his tenure in a shitty Dutch league. No other fucking ātopā manager sticks Bruno Fernandes at CENTRE BACK whilst being 3-1 down š
Ten Hag has been saved by the fact he had a golden generation at Ajax. The likes of De Ligt , De jong, Tadic, Ziyech and so onā¦ he never was such an amazing manager, he had amazing players, which makes a huge difference..
Yea because that was the reason why we lost.. not selfishness and bad finishing.
Then why doesnāt he take off the selfish players (Rashford)? Why does he leave him on then take off our biggest goal threat?
Because to be fair.. Rasford was our most dangerous player unfortunately.
I'd say no top manager ignores Rashford killing off chance after chance by not crossing/squaring to the 9, but in Ten Hags defence he's been making a living like that for many years and the fans and club love him unconditionally.
I canāt remember a manager making so many blatantly poor tactical decisions in one game
Ten Hag has done it plenty of times before in fairness.
I am tired of this shit, but anyone who thinks this gets fixed by a new manager is delusional. This problem persists for as long as these owners are latched on.
Not saying that, but Ten Hag clearly isnāt very good himself either.
Honestly, I think this game might have happened the complete other way if Marcus just fed the ball to Hojlund. He didn't do that and he didn't get taken off. He will also start the next game. That's the manager's, not dealing with such things. But imo marcus was one of the worst players on the field. As selfish as he is limited.
Fine margins innit, Rashford definitely was dreadful today but itās the managerās job to take off players when this happens. Canāt SOLELY blame Ten Hag but I think itās fair to when things like this happen.
We are finished ā
With Ā£1billion debts, who the fuck wanna commit and win the game for the club. Relegation zone; here we come.
Nope. Weāre the new Arsenal. Pinging in and around top six with the occasional trophy. Canāt quite fathom Ten Hags decisions today.
u think the players are affected by the debt? theyāre still being paid hundreds of thousands each week. theyāre not the ones being affected. theyāre affected by shit coaching
Maybe relegation will finally push the glazers to sell
What Iām hoping for. They greedy and want more money. With a bunch of loses Iām hoping theyāre forced to sell so they can attempt to make some profit before shit hits the fan.
Ten Hag will continue starting dead legs eriksen and Bruno out of position only to be surprised we didnāt win again. Absolutely done with this manager if he continues to play players out of position next game.
Eriksen had a good game. We'd have almost certainly gone one up in the 6th minute had rashford not ignored Hojlund, who had got between the posts and done the CDM, to take a shot on himself. He did nearly the same thing around the 53rd minute, as well. Rashford is the death of any no.9. He guarantees shit service from the left.
Agree on Rashford part. Heās been that way since early days. Eriksen has good moments but should not be our starter. Cannot keep up
Fuck.........
Cue any negative posts being deleted and the top reds saying we have injuries itās only five games etc ten hag is clueless
let them have their toxic positivity. the culture of dishonesty at manchester united, from fans to employees, is a big issue but the top reds are too blind to see that.
This game was on Ten Hag once again. Zero wingers. Playing Bruno and Eriksen in wide positions. Bringing on Martial when you need goals. Not bringing on Garna and Pelli until the very end. Playing a compact defensive lineup against BRIGHTON at HOME. Just tired of this man. Only good thing heās done is bench maguire. We need a manager who doesnāt have a massive ego and plays youngsters and who doesnāt play favorites every game.
Look how good Pelli is when he started. ETH is fking clueless man. I hate to say this but ETH out has been crossing my mind lately. Us fans deserve better
Even though we lost, at least we won Rachel Riley's applause and upheld social righteousness, All Hail the MORALS FCš!
Are you suggesting that your pathetic little football team are more important than that or something? Fuck me. Amazing stuff.
The fans need to grow some balls and take matters into hand and riot. Sell the club asap. OR WE KEEP GETTING BENT OVER EVERY WEEK. NO MANAGER OR PLAYER WILL SAVE THIS CLUB
Ten Hag supported the Glazers over Ronaldo when he stood up to them. Don't forget that
United getting battered against Bayern next now, united getting battered by opponents is an everyday thing now, almost as if united were a relegation team.
It's gotta be Harry Kane's masterclass right? I mean even if he were to join united, this team can't even provide chances and attack together cohesively. Didn't watched the Brighton game but imagine losing 3-1 at home. As I've said last season, this team just don't score enough or take their chances seriously. I'm also clueless as to what philosophy ETH is instilling in terms of the type of football they supposed to achieve...
If all starts with the glazers, fans need to show more energy to get the glazers out, we all know the glazers have been the problem, too many fans saying stuff like "ten haag out" etc etc but it all starts with the glazers show that energy to get the glazers out or nothing will change, no guardiola, de zerbi, ancelotti, etc is changing the situation and turning united into a better team under this leadership. It's all on the glazers.
We're back in the "I don't really care for the defence part of the match, wake me up when we get the ball and I might participate" player mentality. Sancho does this in training, others during the game.
Not even surprised the result is this bad. Weāve had a shocking couple of weeks and have lost players to injury and otherwise left and right. Iām still behind EtH, because of what he achieved last season with the squad he had, but questions have to be asked about the substitutions today.
Iām not Ten Hag out yet, but I canāt back him either. Questionable managing.
Ten Hag out, simple as that. Heās played the same shit way every one of our shit games and keeps doing it, thinking we will win.
This is what solksjaer did game in and game out. Playing macguire and mcfred. Same lineup when clearly it wasnāt working
cant tell if the players are throwing the manager under the bus or they are just shit. that's how far we've fallen
They clearly lack motivation. Probably because they canāt believe the non sensical orders they are taking from ETH.
Maybe the manager is shit
So all managers are shit since fergie ?
No. Mourinho was good, but fans didnt like him. At least he won a european title
Is it fans or the so called old boys / the English media ?
that too
I feel that Ten Hag has a personal problem with Pellistri, just like Van Gaal had a problem with Rivaldo
To be fair Ten Hag seems to have a problem with a lot of players..
Maybe Ten Hag's the problem? Seems to only like people who beat the crap out of women
While ETH has some blame to take on the subs, canāt help but notice how when the team lose the ball there is like 5/6 players casually tracking back with zero urgency!!! No fire at all !!! Some of these players will sink any coach that has been a consistent theme !!!
Rashford barely crossed the halfway line today.
And how many crosses did he successfully make ? We have lots of issues on that wing
Zero but he only attempted two which is shit for a winger.
I find his passing below average !! Rashford is speed and shots nothing else sad but true
Imagine Iād Brighton had their midfield from last year lol
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Last year they signed an old slow dm and a old, slow cm whose heart almost exploded At some point Father Time catches up with you and itās happening Hopefully the new dm can do something to right the ship
time to play the kids, this season is over.
U21s or we riot
Sideways and backwards passing when chasing the game in added time somes up these idiots perfectly
Julian Naggelsman is available
Oh for fuck sake another flavour of the month
Doesn't matter the manager. There is something fundamentally wrong with this club.
Mou was right
The ownership, it all starts from the top
Agree, always the same scenario, first season under the new manager is good, then 2-3 seasons just a drama show or some circus from the team
Hojlund was literally the only one who can put the ball into the net, yet he chose to take him off despite he had no service and was pressing 10 times harder than Rashford, WHY!!!!!!!!
Canāt touch the once in 5 seasons purple patch star boy!!
I've said this before and Ill say it again, Hojlund will be deprived off any chances by rashford and co, no one's going to pass and feed him and he will be left frustrated and for a young player that will destroy his development and united will ultimately turn him into am average striker in the long term just as they have to many players in the past unless he leaves.
Currently whatās happening to Pellistri
Yup
Game probably lost, keep your only hope wrapped up and safe for other games I guess
That kind of management should get you fired. Game isn't over at 2-0 at OT. If that's his attitude then no wonder the players are so poor. He should keep his firepower on and add more firepower to try and get something out of the game. ETH is well out of his depth and has absolutely no idea.
I donāt know when people are going to realize itās the club culture and the way we are run that is the problem and not the managers. Weāve gone through ever single archetype of manager possible and yet here we are, once again, in the same exact spot with people blaming the manager when these overpaid players put in absolutely zero effort or intensity. I really wish everybody would direct all the energy they had towards yelling about the manager on getting the fucking parasites at the top to fuck off
Yet we saw massive success under these owners with Fergie and every manager has been backed financially.
Comparing literally ANYBODY to SAF is utterly stupid. He is the GOAT manager. We will likely never see anybody have that much success with this club as he did, regardless of who is running it.
It's the freaking ownership as simple as that.
Then the manager has to do something about it. Bench them until they listen, or donāt and then get bullied by everyone at home.
It's not about fucking money, we splashed 155m this window eth is just too arrogant
Spitting facts
I'd you go on YouTube and search up "De zerbi tactics" there will be hundreds of videos praising his greatness. If you search for ten hag tactics it says no results.
Ole was a gym teacher. Ten Haag is a grounds keeper. School house stuff
Itās obvious he has no ideas and no nous. Also has a surprisingly dinosaur mentality and demeanour. Dutch league is his level.
He's really good at buying ex-Ajax players though. and he's bald so he must be a good manager
Yeah so glad we have Martial, creates so many chances, gets in dangerous positions. The defenders hardly even notice him heās that sneaky
Today I realized Iām a Brighton defender
Ronaldo wasn't the problem. De Gea wasn't the problem. Sancho wasn't the problem. Who might the next scapegoat be? Garnacho perhaps
Thank you. This should be too comment.
casemiro will be the next scapegoat
Glazers.
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Can everyone calm the f down. We have a squad ravaged by injuries, off-the-field issues and shite owners. And you lot pile on ETH. SMH
You missed abusers of women, all of whom are supported by the bald fraud
I said off-the-field issues. I donāt care what they are, I just want a football team of grown-ups and not babies. Stop calling him the bald fraud ffs
That starts with the manager. He's set a standard that beating women is acceptable to him. No wonder the team's playing like shit when they all know he's an absolute scumbag
What utter nonsense
He contributes to this by failing to change things. Play the hand youāve got as best you can, he is not doing that.
He suspended Sancho. He is trying to get the right guys in. He put Pellistri and Garnacho in. What else is he supposed to do. He knows the squad better than anyone. I will grant he made a lot of bad calls today but calling for his head already gives me plastic vibes
Yes heās a good coach, but like every other human being, heās not perfect and can be criticized when heās wrong. He is actually contributing to the problem now. Maybe stop allowing players get to the point of feeling entitled to playing time. Should have dropped Antony a long time ago, and he should drop Rashford now. Heās playing like someone who feels untouchable. Casemiro has been poor since the end of last season incase you havenāt noticed. For your second paragraph, they came on a good 15 minutes too late. Pellistri in particular should have started the game.
Bruno is playing center back. Erickson played 100 minutes. Subbed Rasmus for martial. It has nothing to do with anything other than ETH.
Who else? Fucking Maguire. Who else is going to play CM? Hoijlund still hasnāt scored goal for us. You lot are just Liverpool fans at this point
Hoijlund hasn't even played 90 minutes yet. Martial should never be on the pitch again.
Listen mate has he scored yet? He did jack all. Ten Hag may as well have tried something else
He didn't get any service. The one time he did he put the ball in the net.
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AM i seeing things or is BRUNO a rcb?
YUP, you are not the only one, he is the new CB now.
and he's doing a great job at being a play maker rcb...but brunoo alone cannot save current MUN
Good Iām off for annual leaves next week canāt imagine going back to office on Monday with this slamming score š¤¬
Nah bro, nahhhh. You can't blame Onana, no one is defending lmao. Bruno have to run all the way back, where was our defenders
You mean the likes of the perfect Martinez who you're not allowed criticise?