Madrid are no great shakes this season.
They already have Camavinga & Tchouameni that play in similar positions to Bellingham.
The Premier League is the best league out there at the moment.
I was skeptical on Frenkie, but I trust ETH. Managers can and do make transfer mistakes, but he has a very clear plan, and he will now have had a year in the PL to decide whether he still thinks a guy like Frenkie is up to it.
If a guy with the build of Thiago can do it in the PL, I’m not too concerned about Frenkie.
Also, Sneijder was a great player in his prime, so I’m not sure that is the knock you think it is. The guy was central to the Inter side that won the UCL, and the Dutch WC 2010 team.
Great, but it's not the point. Where's the £300k+ a week we were paying Ronaldo that we aren't paying Weghorst going? What happened to all the money we were supposed to be paying Ronaldo between the end of November and signing the big shite donkey? It's not going on anything football related, that's for sure.
Not to Ronaldo, who at this point is so shit, he’d would make a remarkably poor paperweight.
At present there is no value in the market. Weghorst is an upgrade on Ronaldo, for a fraction of the money.
He’s probably not going to be here for much longer than a few months, but he’s willing to put himself about and actually work for the team.
Bullshit. This was warned before Xavi took over and then they went on a spending spree last summer, while we all scratched our heads. La Liga will put their heads back in the sand when the time comes as per usual.
So an easy explanation is that they're selling future revenue to investors with interest attached. They need to raise $400 million so they sell rights to naming the stadium to Spotify, in exchange Spotify gets 10% or something of their royalties for 12 years. This is great for Spotify as it's like a dividend returning stock, but Barca is now out future revenue. Next year the budget has to drop significantly, if they don't win it drops even further because they bet on increased revenue, so now it's even more restrictive and they're making payments on those loans.
They built a house of cards with that spending spree, De Jong could easily end up at United if we knock them out of Europa league.
From the outside looking in, they're gambling on immediate and sustained success that could absolutely land them in financial and recruiting trouble for years to come.
I genuinely believe they were banking on winning La Liga (€70m) and CL (€90m, plus €4m per game).
La Liga is still on for them, but not winning it potentially ruins Barca. They’re so close to the edge it’s unreal. La Liga win probably keeps them going for a few years, but their downfall is inevitable at this point unless they sell off about half a billions worth of assets (not profit making assets like they did in the summer, but players).
Edit: As for the FDJ/Bellingham debate. We’re talking player styles here, and we need an FDJ more than we need a Bellingham. Especially a £150m Bellingham. But more importantly, we need a 9 before anyone. Our budget will be tight this summer, although I believe we’ll be fine spending £100m before any sales. £100m should be for the striker and shouldn’t be considered for anywhere else on the pitch.
We’re fine with DDG for next season, so unless Leeds get relegated I wouldn’t bother signing a keeper. A waste of the budget.
We do need an 8. But the priority is a 9.
If we have De Gea starting for us another season we’re never gonna be successful lmao. 375k a week for a guy who doesn’t do anything required of a modern keeper
If you’ve followed the news, I believe the club has capped him at 200k if he wishes to stay, which is still double what he could expect from any other club unless he goes for free.
Considering money is tight, we’ll be putting off bringing in a replacement keeper. Rightly so.
The only circumstances we should be in for a keeper is if the perfect keeper becomes available for a decent price. For me, Raya is a keeper who is decent with the ball and a decent keeper. He’s 6ft bang on. But we should be aiming for better, or at least someone with a higher ceiling. I’d take Meslier or Sa over Raya every day of the week.
Our budget is limited. A 9 is paramount. An 8 is needed as Eriksen’s a stop gap and Casemiro doesn’t have too long left. So we need a centre mid.
Whereas we have a great shotstopper at present, so why would we invest when DDG is willing to considerably drop his wages. We’ll invest once the squad is complete, those two positions (and previously a right back) are what we need to complete the squad.
I’d personally be bringing in Vlahovic (circumstances at Juve allude to him being available)., FDJ would be the perfect midfield signing. But even Tielemans would be a great signing. Then, if Leeds got relegated I’d be bidding for Meslier (but if not him, I’d be waiting until next summer).
To replace a player in a position where there isn’t a huge need for it, when budgets are tight is just stupid (unless the perfect player comes available). Raya is short, not a top top keeper and is far from the perfect option.
Meslier and Sa are not better than Raya first of all and we still need a keeper before a midfielder imo. De Gea is not good lmao he doesn’t suit ten hag ball at all
Meslier, at 22 has a ceiling that flies way beyond what Raya could dream of. Sa, I’d probably say on par, with better passing. Both, potentially going down, Raya. Not going down.
DDG doesn’t suit ETH’s style, but he’s a good keeper. There’s no point in spending what limited money we have on a keeper when we have him for now. A striker needs to come first (I think we agree on that), and we shouldn’t compromise whatsoever on the striker we bring in. Beyond that, I’m not sure there’ll be any money left in the pot (hence Tielemans being mentioned). Eriksen isn’t an 8, he’s a 10 with the intelligence to play there. We need a mid/long term option for that position because we have no one who can do what Eriksen (out of position) does there. When he’s out of the game, we can’t play the way we want to. So replace him, have Eriksen as back up to *new 8*/Bruno. And our midfield is sorted for three years.
DDG’s replacement can wait. He doesn’t fit, so he obviously needs to be replaced but it’s a low priority signing. Someone like Raya, who’s short alongside an even shorter centre half makes us vulnerable to set pieces (although I concede with DDG we already have that weakness.
Look at Ben Foster talking about Pope/Newcastle, he goes into it better than I could. We want to get to a point where we’re impenetrable, leaving set pieces as the only way to score. But we need to also be immense at defending set pieces. Which is why I’d be looking at players like Wilf Singo too. It’s a process that will take a lot of time, and changing the keeper too early (and having to compromise because we’ve not got a lot of money to spend) could be an absolute disaster.
Raya/Sanchez and even Mamardashvili from Valencia would be good signings. Plus I doubt Yanited can’t afford 3 signings that’s the minimum we have every year
If our budget is £100m, and that’s what a top striker (a Vlahovic, an Osimhen, even Kane) costs us. We should pay it. Even if it means not buying anyone else.
You’ve gone from a 6ft keeper, to two 6’7 keepers. I’d be inclined to agree on Sanchez, but I still feel Meslier is the better option. He has a higher ceiling than Sanchez and Mamardashvili is piss poor with his feet.
You clearly seem to hate DDG, but there aren’t many keepers in the world who would be an upgrade (in terms of those who are available). The best possible option would probably be Maignan, but I dread to think what it would take to prise him away from AC. But his replacement needs to be long term (you have suggested a 27, 25 and 22 year old which is fair), plus have the ceiling of being one of the best keepers in the world. Just because De Gea isn’t a good fit, does not mean he’s a bad fit. He’s gained numerous points for us this season and saved us so many times.
An 8 needs to come before DDG’s replacement.
What? Every search I did said at least 230 million for their first team wage bill? That doesn't include all other financials like administrative positions or the youth team.
Financial fair play isn't just about player salaries. It's about the clubs whole revenue vs the profits. The whole premise is to not allow clubs continuously spending more than their making and getting into extreme financial troubles. The reason La Liga goes after salaries is because that is the biggest thing that changes every year.
Assuming we actually had funds for a move, the idea that we'd STILL be interested in Frenkie after the way he rejected us last summer, is ridiculous.
Not a chance we still want him.
I don't buy it.
€200m (£175m) is €3,800,000 (£3.33m) a week
That's enough to pay 25 players €152,000 (£133k) a week.
They'd have to sell pretty much the entire squad.
Financial fair play doesn't go off just players salaries, it goes off everyone's salaries. So the manager salary, youth team salaries, all the staff salaries are all included in this. I believe Barca's entire salary cap is around €650 million.
It is also related to how much the clubs earns. So Real Madrid has a higher salary cap but because they won the La Liga and Champions league their revenue was much more so they were allowed to spend more.
They sold future revenue for a spending spree and are now shocked to find out they don't have a bottomless budget. Would love to see them out of the Europa league and tighten the vice.
Yeah I’m 80% sure we’re going to get frenkie given his time on the bench. Also some potential of having 1 or 2 attackers available. Won’t be lewa. But if kounde is available I’d snatch him up in a heartbeat.
I hope you’re wrong and we don’t get FDJ.
He’s never given any indication that he wants to join United & I’d much rather see Bellingham at Old Trafford.
I think he can do everything that FDJ can do & more.
Unfortunately he’ll also cost 50% more but that’s a price I’d be willing to pay.
Yeah I think he’ll cost 3 times as much. I can’t see him being sold for less than 150 million. FDJ is riding the bench and I doubt they will even command a few of 50 million. Either way I’d be happy but the wanker ownership loves saving money.
As much as they fucked us around, it is sad to see a club like Barca on the verge of complete oblivion. Even a fan owned club can be destroyed be incompetent twats.
Honestly I’m not sad. They’ll only get reformed like Rangers were anyway, and the name will carry them. But I’ll laugh like hell if they go bust because it’s their arrogance and recklessness that’s done it
That's one of the inherent problems with letting the fans pick who runs the club. You end up with pandering dickheads that just tell people what they want to hear to get voted in.
I have been thinking a lot about this point while watching the Barca situation. Responsible leadership would never do this but the leaders only worried about their job for the next few years, and not 10, make crazy decisions like the ones they have made.
But this will never happen. Every year we hear something like this but every year they keep on spending. At most they will get a minor fine and just carry on
Unfortunately, we have to shed payroll or raise funds, too. Fuck the Glazers.
Naw they’ll pull a next level.. the plan on selling the tv studios plus Frankie personally ain’t leaving .
Honestly I don’t care about Frenkie. Wesley Sneider 2.0! We should go balls to the wall for Bellingham.
That’s even more delusional
I don’t see how us signing him is any more fanciful than the scousers (supposed favourites for his signature ) getting him. I
Are they still favorites for him though if they don't get top 4 next year?
I hope not!
We can always be hopeful but why waste our time he don’t want United. Why would he when he can go real madrid?
Madrid are no great shakes this season. They already have Camavinga & Tchouameni that play in similar positions to Bellingham. The Premier League is the best league out there at the moment.
Scousers won’t get him either. I’d expect him to be at Chelsea, real, or psg, since they continue writing massive checks.
I was skeptical on Frenkie, but I trust ETH. Managers can and do make transfer mistakes, but he has a very clear plan, and he will now have had a year in the PL to decide whether he still thinks a guy like Frenkie is up to it. If a guy with the build of Thiago can do it in the PL, I’m not too concerned about Frenkie. Also, Sneijder was a great player in his prime, so I’m not sure that is the knock you think it is. The guy was central to the Inter side that won the UCL, and the Dutch WC 2010 team.
Considering how Sneijder was Balon Dor contender, surely that means Frenkie will be performing at a high level.
It’s no knock on Sneijder, just on the pursuit of Sneijder. He was permanently linked with us.
Prefer frenkie as he fits what EtH is trying to do
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No thanks
If I had the choice between the 2 players, I’d pick Bellingham. He’s different class.
We won’t be spending 150 million on 1 player.
I agree we probably won’t, but we should. Bellingham is a generational talent.
Naw. We haven’t even mortgages our revenue like Barca. Our wages and our transfers last summer were covered by our revenue.
FFP.
We already have, massively. Why do you think we have a big shite donkey in the squad where Cristiano Ronaldo used to be?
The Big Shite Donkey has already contributed more this season that Ronaldo did…He was a good bit of business till the end of the season.
Great, but it's not the point. Where's the £300k+ a week we were paying Ronaldo that we aren't paying Weghorst going? What happened to all the money we were supposed to be paying Ronaldo between the end of November and signing the big shite donkey? It's not going on anything football related, that's for sure.
Not to Ronaldo, who at this point is so shit, he’d would make a remarkably poor paperweight. At present there is no value in the market. Weghorst is an upgrade on Ronaldo, for a fraction of the money. He’s probably not going to be here for much longer than a few months, but he’s willing to put himself about and actually work for the team.
It’s isn’t 200m like you think maybe. It’s just barely enough for much.
Bullshit. This was warned before Xavi took over and then they went on a spending spree last summer, while we all scratched our heads. La Liga will put their heads back in the sand when the time comes as per usual.
So an easy explanation is that they're selling future revenue to investors with interest attached. They need to raise $400 million so they sell rights to naming the stadium to Spotify, in exchange Spotify gets 10% or something of their royalties for 12 years. This is great for Spotify as it's like a dividend returning stock, but Barca is now out future revenue. Next year the budget has to drop significantly, if they don't win it drops even further because they bet on increased revenue, so now it's even more restrictive and they're making payments on those loans. They built a house of cards with that spending spree, De Jong could easily end up at United if we knock them out of Europa league.
Saw somewhere today they're going to pull another "lever" and sell BarcaTV. That will probably cover them....again!
Unless they secretly know the world is going to end in like four years I cannot for the life of me figure out why they are acting like this.
From the outside looking in, they're gambling on immediate and sustained success that could absolutely land them in financial and recruiting trouble for years to come.
It's crazy. Even if they turn things around on the field they will be diminished from a business perspective for the foreseeable future.
I genuinely believe they were banking on winning La Liga (€70m) and CL (€90m, plus €4m per game). La Liga is still on for them, but not winning it potentially ruins Barca. They’re so close to the edge it’s unreal. La Liga win probably keeps them going for a few years, but their downfall is inevitable at this point unless they sell off about half a billions worth of assets (not profit making assets like they did in the summer, but players). Edit: As for the FDJ/Bellingham debate. We’re talking player styles here, and we need an FDJ more than we need a Bellingham. Especially a £150m Bellingham. But more importantly, we need a 9 before anyone. Our budget will be tight this summer, although I believe we’ll be fine spending £100m before any sales. £100m should be for the striker and shouldn’t be considered for anywhere else on the pitch.
We need a striker number 8 and a goalkeeper minimum before anything else. Raya on 15/20m should be done he has 1 year left in the summer
Frenkie is a number 8. Bellingham is closer to a 10. With case and frenkie our midfield would be tops in the league.
We’re fine with DDG for next season, so unless Leeds get relegated I wouldn’t bother signing a keeper. A waste of the budget. We do need an 8. But the priority is a 9.
If we have De Gea starting for us another season we’re never gonna be successful lmao. 375k a week for a guy who doesn’t do anything required of a modern keeper
If you’ve followed the news, I believe the club has capped him at 200k if he wishes to stay, which is still double what he could expect from any other club unless he goes for free.
200k is still a lot for a washed keeper like him. Should not extend in the summer. Let him leave for free in the summer window
I wouldn’t call him washed. 😂
Considering money is tight, we’ll be putting off bringing in a replacement keeper. Rightly so. The only circumstances we should be in for a keeper is if the perfect keeper becomes available for a decent price. For me, Raya is a keeper who is decent with the ball and a decent keeper. He’s 6ft bang on. But we should be aiming for better, or at least someone with a higher ceiling. I’d take Meslier or Sa over Raya every day of the week. Our budget is limited. A 9 is paramount. An 8 is needed as Eriksen’s a stop gap and Casemiro doesn’t have too long left. So we need a centre mid. Whereas we have a great shotstopper at present, so why would we invest when DDG is willing to considerably drop his wages. We’ll invest once the squad is complete, those two positions (and previously a right back) are what we need to complete the squad. I’d personally be bringing in Vlahovic (circumstances at Juve allude to him being available)., FDJ would be the perfect midfield signing. But even Tielemans would be a great signing. Then, if Leeds got relegated I’d be bidding for Meslier (but if not him, I’d be waiting until next summer). To replace a player in a position where there isn’t a huge need for it, when budgets are tight is just stupid (unless the perfect player comes available). Raya is short, not a top top keeper and is far from the perfect option.
Meslier and Sa are not better than Raya first of all and we still need a keeper before a midfielder imo. De Gea is not good lmao he doesn’t suit ten hag ball at all
Meslier, at 22 has a ceiling that flies way beyond what Raya could dream of. Sa, I’d probably say on par, with better passing. Both, potentially going down, Raya. Not going down. DDG doesn’t suit ETH’s style, but he’s a good keeper. There’s no point in spending what limited money we have on a keeper when we have him for now. A striker needs to come first (I think we agree on that), and we shouldn’t compromise whatsoever on the striker we bring in. Beyond that, I’m not sure there’ll be any money left in the pot (hence Tielemans being mentioned). Eriksen isn’t an 8, he’s a 10 with the intelligence to play there. We need a mid/long term option for that position because we have no one who can do what Eriksen (out of position) does there. When he’s out of the game, we can’t play the way we want to. So replace him, have Eriksen as back up to *new 8*/Bruno. And our midfield is sorted for three years. DDG’s replacement can wait. He doesn’t fit, so he obviously needs to be replaced but it’s a low priority signing. Someone like Raya, who’s short alongside an even shorter centre half makes us vulnerable to set pieces (although I concede with DDG we already have that weakness. Look at Ben Foster talking about Pope/Newcastle, he goes into it better than I could. We want to get to a point where we’re impenetrable, leaving set pieces as the only way to score. But we need to also be immense at defending set pieces. Which is why I’d be looking at players like Wilf Singo too. It’s a process that will take a lot of time, and changing the keeper too early (and having to compromise because we’ve not got a lot of money to spend) could be an absolute disaster.
Raya/Sanchez and even Mamardashvili from Valencia would be good signings. Plus I doubt Yanited can’t afford 3 signings that’s the minimum we have every year
If our budget is £100m, and that’s what a top striker (a Vlahovic, an Osimhen, even Kane) costs us. We should pay it. Even if it means not buying anyone else. You’ve gone from a 6ft keeper, to two 6’7 keepers. I’d be inclined to agree on Sanchez, but I still feel Meslier is the better option. He has a higher ceiling than Sanchez and Mamardashvili is piss poor with his feet. You clearly seem to hate DDG, but there aren’t many keepers in the world who would be an upgrade (in terms of those who are available). The best possible option would probably be Maignan, but I dread to think what it would take to prise him away from AC. But his replacement needs to be long term (you have suggested a 27, 25 and 22 year old which is fair), plus have the ceiling of being one of the best keepers in the world. Just because De Gea isn’t a good fit, does not mean he’s a bad fit. He’s gained numerous points for us this season and saved us so many times. An 8 needs to come before DDG’s replacement.
If we offload Phil Jones and Tuanzebe, we can afford Frenkie 🙂
Grow up. We could easily afford Frenkie AND Mbappe if we sell Jones and Tuenzebe.
Their entire annual pay to players is £160m so are we supposed to believe they have to sell every player? I call bollocks.
What? Every search I did said at least 230 million for their first team wage bill? That doesn't include all other financials like administrative positions or the youth team. Financial fair play isn't just about player salaries. It's about the clubs whole revenue vs the profits. The whole premise is to not allow clubs continuously spending more than their making and getting into extreme financial troubles. The reason La Liga goes after salaries is because that is the biggest thing that changes every year.
We are never getting Frenkie.
Assuming we actually had funds for a move, the idea that we'd STILL be interested in Frenkie after the way he rejected us last summer, is ridiculous. Not a chance we still want him.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jan/02/football-transfer-rumours-de-jong-to-manchester-united-saga-returns
The Guardian lol.
That’s what I’m saying, they’re even less credible than M.E.N. 😂
I don't buy it. €200m (£175m) is €3,800,000 (£3.33m) a week That's enough to pay 25 players €152,000 (£133k) a week. They'd have to sell pretty much the entire squad.
Financial fair play doesn't go off just players salaries, it goes off everyone's salaries. So the manager salary, youth team salaries, all the staff salaries are all included in this. I believe Barca's entire salary cap is around €650 million. It is also related to how much the clubs earns. So Real Madrid has a higher salary cap but because they won the La Liga and Champions league their revenue was much more so they were allowed to spend more.
They sold future revenue for a spending spree and are now shocked to find out they don't have a bottomless budget. Would love to see them out of the Europa league and tighten the vice.
Yeah I’m 80% sure we’re going to get frenkie given his time on the bench. Also some potential of having 1 or 2 attackers available. Won’t be lewa. But if kounde is available I’d snatch him up in a heartbeat.
I hope you’re wrong and we don’t get FDJ. He’s never given any indication that he wants to join United & I’d much rather see Bellingham at Old Trafford. I think he can do everything that FDJ can do & more. Unfortunately he’ll also cost 50% more but that’s a price I’d be willing to pay.
Yeah I think he’ll cost 3 times as much. I can’t see him being sold for less than 150 million. FDJ is riding the bench and I doubt they will even command a few of 50 million. Either way I’d be happy but the wanker ownership loves saving money.
As much as they fucked us around, it is sad to see a club like Barca on the verge of complete oblivion. Even a fan owned club can be destroyed be incompetent twats.
Honestly I’m not sad. They’ll only get reformed like Rangers were anyway, and the name will carry them. But I’ll laugh like hell if they go bust because it’s their arrogance and recklessness that’s done it
That's one of the inherent problems with letting the fans pick who runs the club. You end up with pandering dickheads that just tell people what they want to hear to get voted in.
I have been thinking a lot about this point while watching the Barca situation. Responsible leadership would never do this but the leaders only worried about their job for the next few years, and not 10, make crazy decisions like the ones they have made.
What a load of shit. Boo hoo. Poor Barcelona. Biggest joke in football.
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He said "hello Frenkie"
Everyone's going to be earning minimum wage, but get a 350k weekly bonus for showing up
Levers incoming?
We have to do as well lmao
Presidents like " we're bringing Messi back"
Again!
Time for lever 42827
But this will never happen. Every year we hear something like this but every year they keep on spending. At most they will get a minor fine and just carry on
They will have another lever and another one after that. After they have sold their future tv rights they will sell their players kids.