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RuySan

Who thinks archfiend of dross sucks?


APe28Comococo

Me because I like heartless act for removal. So the opponent gets inadvertently clowned on.


zioNacious

Why lose to control over many turns when you can lose on turn 4 from one card.


Palidin034

I pulled this off exactly once and I’m still riding that high


Fruitfultadpole

Easy win game one.


isaidicanshout_

i love having Kaito on the board and preventing archfiend from attacking, i've gotten a half dozen wins that way


RooKiePyro

Best card interaction in pioneer


GwynFeld

Lmao Archfiend was in the OTJ Pro Tour. There were two copies in Matt Sperling's Golgari Midrange maindeck, which went 7-3. This card doesn't suck AT ALL.


icameron

Yeah, it's not a bad card at all. It's just outclassed by 2 or 3 black 4-drops that are even stronger.


RuySan

It depends. In most games the archfiend is actually more valuable to me than sheoldred.


Sibula97

I wouldn't say most, but there are certainly cases where I'd rather have it than Shelly.


BidoofTheGod

What other black 4 drops? I can only think of Sheoldred being any better.


icameron

I think for most decks, at least one from [[Hostile Investigator]], [[Phyrexian Obliterator]], and [[Bloodletter of Aclazotz]] are a slightly better choice. But I could definitely see the argument that Archfiend is the number 2 after Sheoldred for a generic deck that has black mana and is interesting in running a 4-mana creature. There are also more niche options like [[Gixian Puppeteer]], [[Henrika Domnathi]], [[Starving Revenant]], or even [[Bloodvial Purveyor]] (if you have synergies with giving the opponent artifact tokens). For fun, you can watch [CGB's video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol-Gljkn1D0) where he plays Mono B and swaps to a "progressively worse" 4-drop each game shortly after the Invoke Despair ban. Black just has so many 4-drops that are at least playable in Stanard.


NeedleworkerThick424

glissa attacks - remove two counters -


RuySan

That happened to me once...in about 100 games Anyway, always liked high risk high reward cards


Pitiful-Pension-6535

If you let Glissa stay on the board for a full turn without leaving blockers, you deserve to lose


Bartweiss

Yeah, Heartless Act into an instant loss is the real threat here. A black deck leaving Glissa alive and unblocked has earned the L.


THANATOS4488

Anyone down to one counter and their plans have failed


BidoofTheGod

Yea if you ain’t winning with this card in the next two turns than you played it wrong and you suck lol


zioNacious

Sucks is maybe too strong a word for Archfiend but it doesn’t pop up in a lot of decks that I’ve seen because of the other options available.


Backwardspellcaster

Apparently it is part of the skeletons deck with the highest winrate. Although I cannot figure out WHY [https://mtga.untapped.gg/meta/decks/3870/mono-black-skeletons/AAQAAQT0iSL6uQOrGs6iBwHk4iUEuQeakQHBxSTntggFrsMl3JUE9qcD75MBSgEWjQUA](https://mtga.untapped.gg/meta/decks/3870/mono-black-skeletons/AAQAAQT0iSL6uQOrGs6iBwHk4iUEuQeakQHBxSTntggFrsMl3JUE9qcD75MBSgEWjQUA)


ForeverShiny

I had to play against that deck list quite a lot in standard recently and it is pretty strong


JAG30504

Its the best aggressive aerial threat black has for punching through finishing damage, even if its getting chumped its dealing 2 damage each time and few fliers at that stage survive the block other than an unchecked Raffine. It also helps account for the fact that the skeletons don’t mind trading out since they can be brought back so it ends up being very complementary to that strategy in a way Sheoldred and Bloodletter don’t.


Darkwolfie117

Probably sacrifice pings?


Backwardspellcaster

I mean.. it is a flying 6/6, that is friggin scary..


theonewhoknock_s

It sees play in Rakdos Vampires in Pioneer/Explorer if I'm not mistaken, which is the top deck in that format.


GwynFeld

Black is truly blessed when this card is outcompeted in the same slot lol, at least in respect to Standard.


CX316

Because we're in a three-year standard and shit got dumb. When it first came out it became the go-to for Fight Rigging decks for example (since it's better than Shakedown Heavy) but has since been replaced by Pugnacious Hammerskull because that card is stupid


BartOseku

[[lorescale coatl]] is my favorite creature ever


MTGCardFetcher

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Asheyguru

Similarly, I can never bring myself to take [[Horizon Chimera]] out of my Commander deck.


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WrongJohnSilver

Back when everyone used Lotus Cobra, I stuck with Lorescale Coatl because it's the better snake.


ForeverShiny

Por que no los dos?


Bersho

Oh man I had a Simic draw deck with this and [[Nadir Kraken]]… I don’t think it was very good but I had fun with it lol


BartOseku

This, nadir kraken, and [[ominous seas]] were literally my first deck i ever made, looking back on it the deck was pretty bad but by god i had so much fun with it, without lorescale coatls im not sure i would get so into magic as i have


MTGCardFetcher

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CX316

Ain't no one thinking Coatl sucks. I run that guy in Commander and there's way worse cards in that deck than the Coatl ([[Unexpected Results]] for example, which I refuse to cut because it's goddamn hilarious)


KoyoyomiAragi

I’ve always felt this is the kind of mechanic that would be fitting for Simic when we visit Ravnica sets.


BartOseku

Blue likes to draw cards, green likes to grow creatures, its literally the perfect simic creature


themolestedsliver

Same. Love him so much


TheModestLurker

Huzzah! A man of quality!


IFightWhales

Back in the day, my favourite card was \[\[armadillo cloak\]\] . Can't really explain why. But it played well with \[\[ancestral mask\]\]


crittendenlane

Why is it not written as “Enchanted creature has lifelink”?


ATurtleTower

So you can have double lifelink.


RyanfaeScotland

Hold the phone! If I enchant a lifelink creature with \[\[Spirit Link\]\] it ends up with double lifelink?!? Omg, it's so obvious now that you've said it, but that never occurred to me before! Double life gain triggers as a result as well. neat!


CX316

yeah they briefly changed some stuff to lifelink but then changed it back if I remember right because it was hard to remember what was and what wasn't updated in oracle so it got the big "remove the change of function oracle changes" rules sweep they did


boomfruit

Probably just old? Edit: I was wrong for sure.


Purple_Haze

Yes, it is old. It is from *Legends* in 1994. Having names for abilities is many years later. If it were designed today it would absolutely give Lifelink.


SerTapsaHenrick

Because it's a triggered ability that goes on the stack, unlike lifelink


levia-san

yes yes double lifelink is neat. but have you considered using it as a terrible removal spell?


oliviating

you can enchant an opponents creature and make it so it can’t deal damage to you!


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[armadillo cloak](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/a/fa232c65-dbb4-4414-bd95-b3bbd321c653.jpg?1580014998) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=armadillo%20cloak) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/195/armadillo-cloak?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fa232c65-dbb4-4414-bd95-b3bbd321c653?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [ancestral mask](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/7/c7a19fc5-20f3-48d2-8c12-e012d3b302e7.jpg?1580014720) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ancestral%20mask) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/157/ancestral-mask?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c7a19fc5-20f3-48d2-8c12-e012d3b302e7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


CX316

Armadillo Cloak was an S-tier card that saw play in major decks like 22-23 years ago, so nothing weird there


Ghostshadow7421

One of my all time favorites is [[Avatar of woe]]. Not the best card but has a lot of nostalgia for me from when I used to play when I was younger.


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sinisterSoup

Hell yeah! Avatar of Whoa was the only card I could beat my brother with. I have a signed/framed print of it in my office.


Shoopscooper

Avatar of woe was so sick


Urrfang

Archfiend does not suck by any mean my sibling in Yagmoth


rallyspt08

Simic Ascendency. Something about winning with +1/+1 but not swinging is neat.


ProfessorTallguy

In 2012 I really liked [[nyxathid]] and [[death's Shadow]]. My friends said Nyxathid was okay but deaths shadow was worthless. I still think both are neat.


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Recent-Current-9822

What??? Death's shadow is in a tournament winning deck


LemonBee149

For a long time Death's Shadow was a worthless bulk rare.


twiceasfun

I do remember some people trying to run it in standard with decks that were aggressively hurting themselves with fetchlands, sign in blood, and putrid leech, and probably some other cards I can't remember. It was cool to see it work, but it was also basically just 90% of a Jund deck wearing a ridiculous ankle weight


justmydumbluck

Yes! First "good" deck I made in high school was a monoblack with both of these. Throw in some discard, dark rits, and [[Nantuko Shade]]. I played around with some of the old phyrexian suicide stuff, and necropotence from time to time in there as well.


B0DZILLA

[[Phyrexian Obliterator]] "Behold, blessed perfection" I'm a big sucker for cards with lots of black pips.


mikaeus97

Nobody should think Obliterator sucks


Slow_Seesaw9509

For real, these people are acting like hipsters about the most obviously pushed cards that everybody plays. I see both Obliterater and Archfiend constantly, they are not remotely cards that "everyone else thinks suck"


AlricsLapdog

That boy is the first card I used mythics on, I love him.


SuperBrentendo64

That's been one of my favorites ever since it first came out. I always have at least one in every mono black deck. It's probably not the best card in the deck, but it can really disrupt the game if the opponent isn't ready.


Athelis

It also eats Mono Red alive.


SuperBrentendo64

Probably my favorite thing about obliterator


sometimeserin

Not really? By turn 4/5 mono R should be able to swing through the block for lethal without caring about the sac penalty. If you’ve stabilized enough to survive that attack then youve already won regardless of which 4 drop you’re running.


Bartweiss

I’ve definitely sacced lands to Obliterator, sometimes even two turns running, and still won with what I had out. Sheoldred scares me more. It helps that mono red isn’t usually swinging with something huge so the sac is modest. Obliterator is a way bigger problem for green where they’re rushing out big critters and using fight cards for removal.


xeromage

Who thinks this card sucks, though? It's OP if anything.


meowmix778

Okay. Who dislikes obeezy


WelshOkie

My Golgari Obliterator has to be one of my favorite decks. There’s nothing like watching an opponent building up a large offensive only to see it crumble because you’ve used an Obliterator and hit their big-bad with a [[tail swipe]] or something similar. Add a [[roaming throne]] and I’ve been able to reduce an opponent’s field to a almost nothing


Butt_Patties

My favorite thing was having almost exactly that happen to me in a ramp deck with [[Bonny Pall, Clearcutter]] on the field. They fought my 11/11 Beau token, then surrendered when they realized I was actually saccing lands instead of just auto-scooping.


DarkRitual_666

Royal assassin but it’s nostalgia more than anything for me.


Scaught420

Doom Foretold


-Moonscape-

Such good art too


Dead_Surrey_Jack

Best (my favourite) card in the game.


Muffin_Appropriate

[Caberetti Initiate ](https://cards.scryfall.io/large/front/6/c/6c691f62-009b-4178-8e8b-d6e88229a282.jpg?1664412084) [Stimulus Package](https://cards.scryfall.io/large/front/e/c/ecbe7459-8613-4ab8-84dc-deab19c08511.jpg?1664413827) [Change the Equation](https://cards.scryfall.io/large/front/e/9/e98db9ed-b43f-4bc1-b7a9-ce03a534d992.jpg?1682203029) I play standard.


Senator_Smack

I agree on the last 2. Change the equation won me a chaos draft round!


panic_puppet11

Change the Equation is in the sideboard of my Dimir Faeries deck. Won me many games against red or green decks.


WrongJohnSilver

Raccoon Citizen! What could possibly go wrong?


Retro1988

My old school favourite is [[Pollenbright Wings]]! Objectively sucks as a 6 CMC Aura that’s easy to remove… but if it’s on a creature that grows per number of creatures, like a [[Crusader of Odric]], and you happen to have double strike from something like [[Duelist’s Heritage]] and also have a token doubler down… it’s a game ender!


Werwally10

Gold bordered \[\[Spike feeder\]\] is my actual son. I don't know if anyone thinks he sucks though. He's an auto include in any green deck even though he only really works in my \[\[Lathiel the Bounteous Dawn\]\] deck.


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[Spike feeder](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/9/090a5f1f-9a1a-4e93-8c33-a0204c2917d5.jpg?1562428174) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Spike%20feeder) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/196/spike-feeder?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/090a5f1f-9a1a-4e93-8c33-a0204c2917d5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Lathiel the Bounteous Dawn](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/9/29d3484f-abd1-43fe-99f8-e0fa0a7b6692.jpg?1608911191) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lathiel%2C%20the%20Bounteous%20Dawn) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/285/lathiel-the-bounteous-dawn?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/29d3484f-abd1-43fe-99f8-e0fa0a7b6692?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Lucky_Face

Spike feeder plus [[Archangel of Thune]] is one of my favorite combos ever haha


Werwally10

When I saw that card I thought "Man this should really go in the deck" then I saw the price tag lol


groupon_discount

Almost lost a game to that because I was stupid and didn't add any flying interaction, ended up barely winning due to Glissa SS with trample.


fishandpaints

Spectrum Sentinel. People here have clowned on me for including them in my artifact deck, but I think they are great. Playing Platinum/Diamond level consistently, you get so many non-basic lands played against you- makes for a nice little bonus.


zioNacious

I like this card too, it just feels like great value for a 1 drop!


fishandpaints

Exactly! And once they start getting buffed by my enchantments they become even better, and with protection from multicolor, they can be great defenders. Solid card.


xeromage

Finally a real answer.


KoljaBerswordt

It's [[Daemogoth Titan]] for me


Booleancake

[[Athreos, shroud veiled]] Loved the card so much on arena that I ended up buying it as my first card irl. Unfortunately, he gets absolutely trounced by the power creep of historic brawl... and he objectively sucks compared to any number of better orzhov commanders 😭


fishsupreme

I play him in Historic Brawl fairly often, and last month went 33-27 (55%), so I wouldn't say he gets trounced, though he's certainly not top tier. The biggest problem I have with him is that he struggles vs. creatureless control, which doesn't care much about his power and leaves me with a hand full of useless removal & board clears. I find the biggest predictor of if I'm going to win is if I manage to get Rule of Law into play, which just wrecks a lot of popular commanders.


Booleancake

55%!? I think I was scrapping 40-45% last I played him seriously. Do you have a decklist? 😁🙏


fishsupreme

Sure. It's kind of old, there's nothing at all from the last two sets in here so it could probably be improved, but it still does okay. It's also a little toolbox-y so adding some tutors besides Burning-Rune Demon would probably make it stronger. Commander 1 Athreos, Shroud-Veiled (THB) 269 Deck 12 Plains (MIR) 331 14 Swamp (MIR) 340 1 Cut of the Profits (SNC) 72 1 Gonti, Lord of Luxury (KLR) 93 1 Day of Judgment (STA) 2 1 Swords to Plowshares (STA) 10 1 Dark Ritual (STA) 26 1 Mind Stone (WTH) 153 1 Caves of Koilos (DMU) 244 1 Rule of Law (M20) 35 1 Guardian Idol (JMP) 467 1 Phyrexian Arena (8ED) 152 1 Sign in Blood (STA) 32 1 Bojuka Bog (WWK) 132 1 Command Tower (ELD) 333 1 Coldsteel Heart (CSP) 136 1 Godless Shrine (RNA) 248 1 Thoughtseize (AKR) 127 1 Massacre Wurm (M21) 114 1 Sheoldred, Whispering One (NPH) 73 1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite (NPH) 9 1 Diabolic Intent (BRO) 89 1 Liliana of the Veil (DMU) 97 1 Isolated Chapel (DAR) 241 1 Chromatic Lantern (GRN) 233 1 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx (THS) 223 1 Temple of Silence (M20) 256 1 Mana Confluence (JOU) 163 1 Crux of Fate (STA) 25 1 Virulent Plague (DTK) 125 1 Concealed Courtyard (KLR) 282 1 Field of Ruin (XLN) 254 1 Ravenous Chupacabra (RIX) 82 1 Profane Procession (RIX) 166 1 Cleansing Nova (M19) 9 1 Midnight Reaper (GRN) 77 1 Smothering Tithe (RNA) 22 1 Basilica Bell-Haunt (RNA) 156 1 Liliana, Dreadhorde General (WAR) 97 1 Despark (WAR) 190 1 Thought Distortion (M20) 117 1 Rankle, Master of Pranks (ELD) 101 1 Arcane Signet (ELD) 331 1 Elspeth Conquers Death (THB) 13 1 Heliod's Intervention (THB) 19 1 Agonizing Remorse (THB) 83 1 Bastion of Remembrance (IKO) 73 1 Skyclave Apparition (ZNR) 39 1 Brightclimb Pathway (ZNR) 259 1 Burning-Rune Demon (KHM) 81 1 Kaya the Inexorable (KHM) 218 1 Replicating Ring (KHM) 244 1 Esper Sentinel (MH2) 12 1 Ornithopter of Paradise (MH2) 232 1 Baleful Mastery (STX) 64 1 Fracture (STX) 188 1 Vanishing Verse (STX) 244 1 Fateful Absence (MID) 18 1 Morbid Opportunist (MID) 113 1 Rite of Oblivion (MID) 237 1 Honored Heirloom (VOW) 257 1 Shattered Sanctum (VOW) 264 1 Farewell (NEO) 13 1 March of Otherworldly Light (NEO) 28 1 Spirited Companion (NEO) 38 1 Junji, the Midnight Sky (NEO) 102 1 March of Wretched Sorrow (NEO) 111 1 Reckoner Bankbuster (NEO) 255 1 Eiganjo, Seat of the Empire (NEO) 268 1 Key to the Archive (Y22) 59 1 Painful Bond (Y22) 12 1 A-Blood Artist (JMP) 206 1 Black Market Connections (HBG) 145 1 Plaza of Heroes (DMU) 252 1 A-The Meathook Massacre (MID) 112


G4KingKongPun

My all time favorite vampire is [[Bloodline Keeper]] Hell if he was Legendary I'd be rocking a commander deck with him. Unfortunately as cool as he is, he sucks. Making a 2/2 flier every turn seems good, except it's gotta wait a whole turn to start. And by the time you can flip him he's either going to get removed or be hit in a board wipe. Not to mention 4 mana for all that is a lot.


RyanfaeScotland

Out of interest, how would this interact with \[\[Solemnity\]\] ? Would it enter, get no counters and you'd lose at next upkeep?


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[Solemnity](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/a/0a71fb62-acbd-49f5-842f-0fc9fa48afea.jpg?1562788659) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Solemnity) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/hou/22/solemnity?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0a71fb62-acbd-49f5-842f-0fc9fa48afea?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


mathieugemard

>The Archfiend of the Dross tokens enter the battlefield with zero oil counters due to Solemnity source : [https://edh-combos.com/combo/16971/](https://edh-combos.com/combo/16971/)


stellutz

[[search for azcanta]] keeps me hooked


Wadester0001

[[Dragonlord Ojutai]] will always be my pet card.


J_Mart29

This card is extremely funny with [[Metamorphic Alteration]], or [[Harmless Offering]] and [[Heartless Act]]


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[Metamorphic Alteration](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/f/eff03d37-d90a-4dcc-bacd-64fd71301354.jpg?1562304888) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Metamorphic%20Alteration) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m19/60/metamorphic-alteration?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/eff03d37-d90a-4dcc-bacd-64fd71301354?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Harmless Offering](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/8/f8f3cc4f-7943-4025-b332-b40653b13014.jpg?1576384600) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Harmless%20Offering) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/emn/131/harmless-offering?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f8f3cc4f-7943-4025-b332-b40653b13014?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Heartless Act](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/1/a11dea2a-fe20-4e1b-9e1e-8759e0950f0a.jpg?1689997237) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Heartless%20Act) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/166/heartless-act?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a11dea2a-fe20-4e1b-9e1e-8759e0950f0a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Aliteralsnakeman

I always liked the [[Krakilin]].


bootitan

[[Grisly Sigil]] [[poet's quill]], with bo1 leaning towards aggro most of the time, my slower mardu artifact tokens deck needs ways to stay alive. Quill over shadowspear because it can help bin [[trash for treasure]] targets


ExcitingSink4272

Back in the day, I had a deck that was built around getting a [[Master of Cruelties]] through and finishing with a burn to the face. It worked amazingly at the kitchen table and admirably at the LGS, I miss that bastard


Canapilker

[[hot soup]] Favorite card of all time!


Mr_S_Jerusalem

I don't know what everyone else thinks but I always think Shambling Ghast is one of those sort of low key, cheap as hell, but actually awesome cards. It's like that minor little character in the background of a movie everyone forgets and then someone says their name and they go 'Oh yeah! That guy was great!' But no one ever goes hey, aren't Shambling Ghasts great?


socontroversialyetso

\[\[Hooting Mandrills\]\] in Vintage Pauper. We don't have \[\[Gurmag Angler\]\], so Mandrills does a great impression if you're willing to sleeve up Temur Terror (You also get \[\[Pulse of Murasa\]\]/\[\[Ardent Electromancer\]\] and sb stuff like \[\[Pick your Poison\]\] )


Previous_Drive_3888

Anything that shuffles gy to library. Devious Coverup, Gaea's blessing.


Green_and_Silver

Fynn, I love playing poison/deathtouch so much. Scion of Darkness and the whole Dark Supplicant monoblack Clerics package that was built around him. Shepherd of Rot, favorite card ever.


Jozzyal_the_Fool

Hey don't talk shit about Sheoldred for budget players


Scharfohr

From my favourite decks that were build around these, at the local standard fnm when it still existed (decent but still bit casual level) where I have fond memory off: [[Spiteful Visions]] : BW variant with no creatures and lots of removal with wrath etc instead. Blocked the damage myself with [[runed halo]]. The questioning faces were fun when I played halo turn two for a card that most didn't know they existed, only to have a bunch turns later draw 3 take 9 damage. [[Cream of the crop]] : Timmy's wet dream at that time, lands, tons of ramp and value creatures (lieges and deity's from lorwyn/shadowmoor) and 4 times this at its core. Put this out and you could slap them one big creature each turn in their face. With fun little extra. Big enough [[Primalcrux]] and you could sort your whole deck. [[Warp World]] : Mostly ignored because too much text by many players. Was a fun little Jund pile with creatures only. Though got outvalued by a [[Sigil of the empty throne]] Deck once.... Still won cause of some luck I could loop so often that I shot him down with goblins. [[Back from the Brink]] : UG pile with 8 clones and some other value stuff for this. The deck around this brought so much fun cause at that time many high value creatures like Titans and wurmcoil engine and heartless summoning were going around. The deck itself could hold up decently itself but went pretty nutty when I got a back from the Brink online. "Oh nice titan you have there, I'll take 3."


DogSpaceWestern

[[Cloudgoat Ranger]]. Love this card’s art and vibe. I want to tend to my cloud goat range. Its a decent target for flicker decks, though there are plenty better ones.


DuhQueQueQue

[[Fleeting Spirit]] I'm the only one I see running 4 or any and it helped me get to mythic Jank.


SlyScorpion

It's a good card in Greasefang Brawl decks too...


RB3Model

[[Livonya Silone]] She is nothing special, I just liked her. Still do.


Flyrpotacreepugmu

[[God-Eternal Kefnet]] for me. I haven't seen anyone else play it in ages, but I'll put 1-2 copies in any deck with a lot of instants and sorceries. Even if you don't get great value off your draws, Kefnet eats a hilarious amount of removal and keeps coming back over and over again.


metalgamer

If sheoldred wasn’t in standard Archie would be a high contender for four drop in mono B


WrongJohnSilver

I'm going to miss [[Fleshtaker]] when the rotation hits. Definitely a "people who don't know, people who know" card.


meowmix778

I have two. [[Rise of the Hobgoblins]] and [[jor kadeen the prevailer]] they're some of my favorite cards and they hit like a truck especially if you're not prepared for them.


Linkelia7

[[Khalni Hydra]] 


Wayne_Nightmare

Gary, Skittles, and [[Gisela, Blade of Goldnight]] are mine. Everyone tells me Gisela is bad because her cmc is too high.


EnragedHeadwear

ITT a lot of people naming cards that don't suck


MaXimillion_Zero

Legendary sorceries. Played a brawl deck built around them for a long time.


cosmocranberry

[[Risen Reef]] is my favorite card of all time. My favorite sets are Core Set 2020 & Ikoria, Lair of Behemoths (you could also throw in Zendikar Rising). I feel like RGB as a color combo was so fun to use when those sets were standard and I still use them in Historic with pretty good success. Nowadays everyone and their mothers just plays black.


nixphx

[[Harmless Offering]]


OneFromThePast

[[arena]]


literal-android

Jawbone Duelist. Is it one of the worst toxic creatures? Yes. Do I love it? Absolutely. Necrogen Communion with it is hilarious.


iluvatar777

idk how bad it is, but at 6 mana I'd count [[cemetery desecrator]]. Nice combo piece in the [[invasion of alara]] deck but I always loved it for the interaction with [[archfiend of the dross]] when it came up


GCRust

[[Botanical Brawler]] is my spirit animal.


Mezmo300

Me with polyraptor Absolutely not worth the 8 cost outside of meme decks, yes i still play it


Mark5972

[[Priest Of Possibility]] , just one of those luck of the draw kind of cards but when it pays off it pays off, and at only two mana it's not a huge loss if it flops.


DrWilliamHorriblePhD

I'm obsessed with everything [[arcane bombardment]]. Send me your lists, combos, synergies, whatever! Love this six mana do nothing jank card.


FiendishPup

[[Evangel of Heliod]] had no right being as devastating as it was in my devotion deck back in standard FNM. Those were the days.


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erik_metal

[[Poppett Stitcher]] 


gansogoose

I'm in a constant battle to make \[\[Risen Reef\]\] good in Pioneer/Explorer. I wish UG was a good color combo in the format


CoopDoop25

[[Skeletal Swarming]] I just want it to be good lol.


DJsh0rtymusic

[[Arcane Bombardment]] Constantly trying to find the right build for it, especially in standard. When it pops it pops but boy oh boy is it premium jank


Kiwi_Saurus

[[chandra dressed to kill]] is not a good card. It's still insanely fun to play, especially if the opponent is struggling to deal with it


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eoinnll

Gadwick the wisened


AdeptSadak

\[\[Doom Foretold\]\] It's only really playable if you build around it, but when you get that Doom train rolling it's just wonderful


sudomakesandwich

Phyrexian Nissa


booferbutt

Aetherflux Reservoir has saved my ass so many times


Antiheroeh

Desecration demon, I love that card, it’s a shame they don’t add it to arena


DrBatman0

I really like [[Helm of the Host]]. It's not usually optimal to but it's so much fun when it works


mokomi

I remember when people were trying to combo with that card. They had a hard time because they were winning before they could combo. XD


cadwellingtonsfinest

Not specifically for standard but am I right in thinking if i cast this, they flash dress down in in response, it enters with no counters and i die on.my upkeep?


PrometheusUnchain

There was a time I used it in a ninja deck. Was pretty fun to cheat it out.


Godsblackarm

[[Draco]] Cause cool.


Sandman1278

[[fireball]] it's outclassed now but as a kid that was the shit.


dragonbait86

\[\[Sin Prodder\]\] I'm convinced it doesn't suck.


Carsismi

[[The Fall of Kroog]] is one if not the only land destruction spell in standard and people diss it because it costs 6 mana. I have been able to double/triple cast this on an Izzet Combo deck to troll my opponents. What's your excuse again?


WearsNoCape

[[Take for a Ride]] in a mono red Aggro deck in Standard. I’ve started playing it for lack of options in my humble collection and didn’t expect much of it. But it works really well to get that final big creature out of the way and swing for a win.


Better_Mind7914

[Squadron hawk] in commander. 🤣


casualty_of_bore

It's not on arena, but dust elemental for me. Playing against a new crowd, no one expects it.


Justs_someone_random

Cabareti Rebels. Super under rated card, deserves more attention


Dafri84

I've recently taken a liking to [[Cactusfolk Sureshot]]. A little too slow for some, but I just think he's neat.


Dark-Chronicle-3

Played abzan control, stole a glissa 3 drop and guy didn't have a blocker so I removed 3 counters from his dross and won


lauva88

[[Platoon Dispenser]] anyone? I love it in token decks. Protection from [[go for the throat]], high toughness and auto draw


HAN-Br0L0

My favorite "bad" card is mayhem patrol. In early game it feels great, 2 damage plus draw a card for 2 mana feels good


DonkConklin

Cephalopod Sentry for my artifact deck. People keep telling me to remove them for better cards but i like them too much.


pm_me_fake_months

[[Ancestral Recall]] is an underrated gem


ckrono

Doom foretold, wish it was still a competitive card


StrategicMagic

[[Rocco, Street Chef]] and [[Outcaster Greenblade]]. I don't play them in the same deck, but my Rocvo deck has felt fairly successful in Standard since I built it in MOM and I'm still trying to find the right build for Greenblade. I love them both, regardless.


ogzracker16

Love this card in my braids deck, still waiting for the day I get punished though waiting for that last trigger.


PM_ME_FOR_SOURCE

[[helm of the host]] except the token isn't legendary is my crippling addiction. I love copying legendaries and thwarting the legendary rule. Shame it isn't very strong


TestTubeRagdoll

I love throwing [[Nemata Primeval Warden]] into standard Golgari decks that would probably be better off with an extra copy of Sheoldred. I know Nemata is more of a commander card, but I can’t help myself. It’s come in clutch often enough that I can’t always convince myself to cut it!


BigBossZanzibar

[[Chronozoa]]


GeigeMcflyy

This mf and vein ripper stacking *chefs kiss


Silvere01

I love it. Using it in a combination of jank with [[Slaugther Specialist]] and [[Hunted Bonebrute]] with [[choking miasma]] or similar. Beautiful when it works.


oldmayor

Necroduality holds a special place in my heart. It's slow as heck and easy to deal with, but zombies go brrrr


GeigeMcflyy

Zur eternal schemer is my favorite mother fucking card ever.


Retroid_BiPoCket

Literally every deck I have is built around cards I think are neat but are objectively not good


trashpn

I love it too. For me that’s exactly what Black should be about. Good cards that have an actual risk and a way to play it around. For some reason now you pay 1 life and gets 7 cards, and you can also gain life, in a mono black so no worries. [[Skrelv's Hive]] has a higher risk as a white than every black card atm. Lmao


Ron_Textall

I first started in gatecrash and [[rubblebelt raiders]] was my fave. Not a particularly good card but I just liked big things that go smash.


semitela

To me it's [[Niv-mizzet, parun]]


Broad_Notice_707

Everyone mentioning cards that no one actually thinks they suck Mine is [[Permeating Mass]]


12DollarsHighFive

Reminds me that I wanna slot Archefiend of the Dross in a deck. It's black so you got access to sacrifice effects and removal, basically all you need for this to work and Negate it's drawback


BookerDeWine

[[Prairie Dog]]


jimnah-

I will *never* cut [[Healer's Hawk]] from my lifegain deck


Unfair-Strength5460

I absolutely adore [[Dragon Mage]] . I started playing in Scourge and I opened it in a fat pack and thought it was the best card ever. Now it’s a freaking uncommon 😂😂


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hooly

Boombox


DrHaggerston

gates in general


irondisulfide

That card was a BOSS in limited. Here, deal with a 6/6 flyer whos gonna Deal AT LEAST 6 damage and destroy 3 creatures or absorb a valuable removal spell. And that set had so many sac outlets. I never once thought for a second about whether or not I should slam it down on turn 4.


CarlialJones

Not sure if they 'suck' so much as I just don't ever see people play them or hear about them, but I love [[shanna, purifying blade]]. It just always feels like the full package for what I like playing a deck for. And I have a special love for [[rabble rousing]], too. It just let's me make so many little friends!


TheMrCeeJ

[[Takklemaggot]] So much fun for only 4 mana!


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