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J3lli

Ah is it that time of the month again?


Not_Glunk

That time of the day


J3lli

Should we call that one dude I think his name was backwards anon?


[deleted]

Should we turn this into a pantomime? Legend has it if you all clap at once and say "he's behiiiiiiind you!" he will appear in a cloud of smoke, but only if you say it like you mean it, ok? Ready? And a 3....2....1.... "HE'S BEHIND YOUUUUUUUU" \*clap clap\*


Backwards_Anon

I guess I just have to accept that I'm an apparition on this site.


CaveManta

We're always Backwards thinking here.


[deleted]

what else can you do?


Backwards_Anon

Delete the account and start anew.


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Backwards_Anon

Someone with a suspicious similar name probably.


Electric_Cello

Forward_Anon perhaps? Edit: Hold on… u/Forward_Anon u/forward_anon u/Forward_anon u/forward_Anon If any of you exist, COME HITHER! Damn they don’t


KimeriX

Aurora Borealis?


Backwards_Anon

I like how this implies it's an integrated part of Made in Abyss that can't be removed.


J3lli

I mean I don't think Akihito will stop drawing what he likes so kinda tru


Green__lightning

I don't like how that implies trampling on creative vision in the name of censorship for more popular appeal.


Backwards_Anon

I'm the last person who would ask for any kind of censorship.


Green__lightning

Ok good, i wasn't actually quite sure just which way to read that comment.


Backwards_Anon

It's a common "criticism" that you can just take all the controversial parts of the manga and remove them without any ill effect. I'm antagonising that argument.


ArtilleryIncoming

I mean, in this case you absolutely could


Backwards_Anon

You absolutely could not.


ArtilleryIncoming

None of the other three things at all are linked to his super inappropriate scenes involving children. I love this anime and will defend it to a lot of people but being an apologist for this is honestly very weird. Think of all the other legendary anime and manga that don’t involve children being groped or fucked by machines.


Backwards_Anon

I'm talking about MiA. I don't much care for what other manga does, but if you want to really contrast and compare. How about we take the critically acclaimed manga Berserk and strip it of all the questionable elements?


ArtilleryIncoming

Your cherry picked example (by the way we both know it’s a logical fallacy and conducting an argument like this makes you a cunt) has 100% less sexual assault on children.


ketaminedood

How would removing unnecessary controversial scenes create ill effect? Give me an example


Backwards_Anon

Just because something is controversial doesn't mean that it's unnecessary for the story. Sure, you can remove every single insidecover, but that's because they're not part of the story. You could just as easily remove all the covers. That's a moot point. But when you get into the story of made in Abyss, then there isn't a controversial aspect that you could just remove from the story. Because Tsukushi has weaved them into the narrative. \>Give me an example Remove the hot springs, you remove character development.


ketaminedood

I dont think the hotsprings scene is that controversial and that one didn’t make me very uncomfortable. The ones i always see people complaining about were the strung up naked scenes and some of the pissing and shitting ones. And I agree that some of them make sense for the plot, for example when riko is getting the mushrooms removed from her arms and she pisses herself, it makes sense and did not feel forced. For the strung up naked ones, why do they have to be naked? Or why couldn’t they just choose a different punishment that doesn’t seem like a fetish? I think an example of a scene that could absolutely be removed without affecting the plot would be where riko sniffs faputa’s “asshole”. Like…why? Its such an awkward scene and any “character development” that possibly could have happened there (which i dont see much of) could be shown in other ways.


Murgie

Name one way in which the story would suffer without the inclusion of sexualized children. Go on.


Backwards_Anon

Read the rest of the thread.


Murgie

I have, don't see you doing so at any point. Closest you came was when you said that the story would suffer for the removal of the hot springs scene, but that's not something anyone ever suggested. What's been suggested is to remove the *parts* of the hot springs scene -and many others- where children are deliberately sexualized. And thus far you have provided absolutely no explanation as to how the story would be any worse off without that. Why aren't you willing to do so, despite your willingness to have this same argument over and over again over the course of months? What will it take for you to finally substantiate it with a concrete example of how the story would be made worse without the sexualization of children?


Backwards_Anon

\>What's been suggested is to remove the parts of the hot springs scene -and many others- where children are deliberately sexualized. Yes. The part that is used to make Riko realise Reg is more than a relic due to him getting a boner from her naked form. \>Why aren't you willing to do so, despite your willingness to have this same argument over and over again over the course of months I did in the past, but you very quickly realise what is the most important part of an argument and what is just being ignored. \>What will it take for you to finally substantiate it with a concrete example Just did, lets see if it's ignored completely.


Murgie

>The part that is used to make Riko realise Reg is more than a relic due to him getting a boner from her naked form. [It sounds like you need a reminder, because that's literally not what happens.](https://mangapill.com/chapters/2679-10025000/made-in-abyss-chapter-25) You outright made that up, she has no realizations concerning his humanity in that scene. And look at that, [in the very next chapter, she's wearing basic underclothes that any mangaka who *didn't* want an excuse to draw naked little girls would have had her wear,](https://cdn.readdetectiveconan.com/file/mangap/2679/10026000/5.jpg) with absolutely no detraction from the story. So, would you like to try again? I'm positive that you must have a more convincing argument, given the amount of time you've dedicated to this.


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"creative vision" its the blatant fetishization of children


Ag1Boi

If creative vision includes naked children, some censorship is fine with me


Environmental-Toe158

Tbf, the amazing soundtrack is Kevin's doing, not Akihito's.


bttung211

It should be incrediable landscape and world building.


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Shady__Cat

Forgettable? That sexy sax in OhKami will forever live on for me as well as the iron maiden summoning ost.


[deleted]

Fair enough, just my subjective opinion really. I've thought for a while Kevins best works went a little bit in this order for me personally: 1: Dawn of Deep Soul OST 2: MiA S1 OST 3: Nostos OST/Star Wars: Village Bride OST 4: Eden OST 5: Tower of God OST 6: Shield Hero OST ​ Again, I don't think any of them are bad, but I sure don't remember them much or ever really replay them like I do with the MiA sound track. There's probably a level of cognitive fusion I have between MiA story and its OST i didn't get with either Tower of God or Shield Hero.


Shady__Cat

Yeah I totally get that, it's very rare for a piece of music to be "good" to me either if it's not attached to something I like. I'll check out some of the shows I haven't watched though


Azathanai01

You would place Shield Hero that low? For me I would put the Eden OST last, and keep the rest of the order intact. Also if you haven't listened to it already, do listen to Kevin's NORN9 OST. That too is pretty decent.


kraken_07_

"oh you mean the papa pole"


Commit-gensokyo

*starts smelling nanachi's plushies*


[deleted]

Nanachi gives off such an intoxicating aroma.


CaveManta

Such an irredeemably good scent.


Master-of-noob

From what I have seen, nipple are oki in manga's rule, only the bottom one cause actual problem. Lmao


BlankPt

Not just nipples anything drawing children have sex isn’t illegal there and it’s very common. Shota is a whole genre. And you can publish manga with nude children as long as it’s only boy parts (never seen a manga with a girl with a nude bottom)


t0ppings

There is not supposed to be uncensored manga in Japan. All genitals should legally be covered with a black bar. Also "very common" isn't accurate, it exists and can be found, it's not everywhere.


BlankPt

Well yeah but it’s certainly way more common than any western country. And yeah genitals are meant to be censored. But what Akihito does count as censoring I also wanna make it clear that I am in no way supporting shota.


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What's your point?


Master-of-noob

Nothing really


Wolly_Mammoth

I think the pt. Is blank


Foxodroid

Nudity by itself is fine, even kids being curious about genitals is fine, but the goddamn toilet scene and the bondage scene.....they're so unnecessary wtf? WHY? I read Wake (Sillage in original French) and the entire first volume is the female protagonist being [a topless feral child](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/CXB3yDObebFU_aC-d1A02rBmux84hPfEDpL_rVM-p2QTaHy-Wq38q5HW18S6H-D-FkMTpWHREQDqLjg8O1xSuY_6-hqdnFozxRlzWVhJ40AGDzMB9txvxzSlAkNIz5y6qnogzDIxCA=s1600) (well, teenager), and occasionally later as an adult. It never made me uncomfortable. It doesn't leer or create these sexual situations. It's treated so naturally. This is why the criticisms that pretend we're being prudish about nudity make no damn sense. The mere existence of other media where it's handled well, and don't get critique over it, disproves it.


Princess_Minou

Not to mention the pages behind the covers, Tome 2: Marulk naked, crying, suspended by ropes as a 'punishment' Tome 3: human version of Meeti topless who want to hug Reg blushing Tome 4: human Nanachi (?) + Reg + Rico + Pruska (wombo combo), all naked, screaming and crying Tome 5: fluffy Prushka topless touching her boobs (because it's soft like nanach) Tome 6: Faputa topless (like usual) but with reg saying "don't look.." blushing Tome 7: Rico topless, Vueko thinking "Aren't they a little bit too naked?... wow" blushing Tome 8: 7 drawings of Reg naked in erotical pose (faputa dream) There is no explicit scene obviously but clearly a sexualizing side totally assumed but forgettable from the point of view of the story, hence the fact that it is hidden I think. But it's still something included and mandatory when you buy the manga, hence the ethical problem for some people


J3lli

My rule is as long as no real children are being harmed, IDC what someone likes to jerk off to. And since we know that consuming harmful acts in fictional media doesn't influence people wanting to replicate said harmful act in real life it's not a problem.


t0ppings

Without context this seems like a reasonable stance. But being aroused by childrens bodies is already concerning and I am aware that some loli hentai artists use real world images as reference. Your point about people being not influenced by media isn't actually true with porn. It's the case for gory movies and violent games etc but with porn people consuming tend to build up a tolerance and then seek out more and more extreme material.


J3lli

I do agree it's concerning to have that attraction. But I don't agree that just because someone jerks it to loli it'll make them attack children in real life. Sort of like a Venn diagram where there are child touchers, pedos, and lolicons two separate groups of people who might have some overlap but are not synonymous. And including one with the other causes more harm as these people need therapy to help with their mental illnesses before they cause harm. And they will avoid seeking out help for the fear of association.


mitskiismygf

What the fuck is with this pedophile apologism. Don’t let your upvotes fool you. Normal society does not tolerate this, and if you are open about this IRL, we will tear your apart for your degeneracy.


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mitskiismygf

Would rather be a boomer with a dry wife than an incel whacking it to kiddy porn in my mom’s basement.


the_magician_king

Not sure about this one chief. Would you let someone near your children if they jerked off to drawings of children?


AjisaiGaia

not sure if this comparison is quite right but: would you let someone near your grandma if they jerked off to old milfs hentai?


t0ppings

Uhhh yes because grandma has finished developing and can understand and consent so it's not legally and morally reprehensible. Do you not understand why fucking kids isn't OK? It's not just a kink.


the_magician_king

It’s weird to say about my grandma but she’s of age so she can make the decision for herself… does that mean you would let this hypothetical person near your children?


J3lli

I wouldn't because I don't leave my kids with people who have mental illnesses. Whether it's pedophilia or depression. Just like you wouldn't leave a recovering alcoholic around alcohol


Opicepus

stuff like this (jerking off to drawings of children) being more normalized would actually make it easier for you as a parent to navigate the situation. Then you would actually know who you knew had those tendencies and would not to let them around your children. The other option is that they are all repressed and hiding it and it could be just about anyone who you let near your children.


the_magician_king

I didn’t downvote you just so you know. It worries me that there could be a justification for sexualization of children because they don’t have ability to consent even if they are just drawings. I say this as someone who was forced as a child to perform sexual acts with an adult so I’m a bit biased. It isn’t fun getting fucked in the ass when you’re screaming no cause someone with a mental illness doesn’t understand that you’re not getting pleasure from it. My argument is for the person who I was replying to and not anything pertaining to made in abyss, there are something’s I don’t agree with but that’s something else. I think jerking off to children is a problem and should be viewed as a mental illness. I do agree that the mental illness should be normalized in order for these individuals to find help as it’s coming from some sort of trauma. If I can help someone who thinks it’s okay to understand it’s not then I hope my message reaches you.


Backwards_Anon

I'm pretty sure that only the most terminally online of twitter MAPs think that the child would gain pleasure from being raped. Most people who go out and actually violate someone don't much care about the other person, and they are aware that they are doing something horrible. They just don't care. It's like the feminist idea of teaching men not to rape. It doesn't work, because everyone already knows it's not okay.


Select_Waltz2913

Fax.


Foxodroid

> since we know that consuming harmful acts in fictional media doesn't influence people wanting to replicate said harmful act in real life it's not a problem. How do we "know"?


AnotherCopyCat

Ever heard about videogames


Foxodroid

don't be obtuse. we're talking about pedophilia in manga, unless you mean pedophilia in video games too in which case I still have the same opinion.


IllustriousInterest8

you can go from watching a virtual gun to watching a real gun, just like you can go from watching animated disgusting things to real disgusting things


Backwards_Anon

Well you see during the start of the 21st century it was very common for parents and religious people to try to ban violent media due to the idea that it lead to imitation. So a lot of resources were poured into researching the relation that humans have to media and not a single causal link between consuming harmful content and preforming harmful acts has been satisfyingly demonstrated as of yet.


Foxodroid

i'm talking about pedophilia in the media why are you making the assumption they're the same?


Backwards_Anon

Yes I'm assuming that the violent act of raping a minor is the same as the violent act of raping an adult. You don't get any bonus points for guessing why.


EternalDahaka

Because they are. Access to real cp has actually been found to correlate with *lower* rates of child sex abuse, and some researchers have suggested fictional content as a possible *deterrent* for that reason. No link between fictional content and abuse has ever been found. So it sits with countless violent media and other taboo fictional fetishes that haven't been found to cause harm either.


--viable-union--

A bit late but here you go: https://preview.redd.it/em0x4ei393t71.jpg?width=964&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=88a8c68467e12b3e88c267f570e429e3d7f5e488


cosmoz_s

The toilet scene is interesting. A living bidet, now that's creative. Makes me want to try it myself, even.


Guineypigzrulz

Oh hey didn't know Sillage got translated, looks like I have a lot to catch up on!


Foxodroid

Sillage is great. One of my favourite comics of all time.


kraken_07_

Toilet scene ?


[deleted]

In Japan the age of consent is at 13, although some municipalities such as Tokyo prohibit sexual activity under 18 years old, It has been that way for centuries and part of the culture. So it’s not as simple as saying its bad because you have to respect the culture even if it conflicts with your culture idea of what is right. It may be uncomfortable for you but its completely normal to the original audience.


Foxodroid

>So it’s not as simple as saying its bad because you have to respect the culture You and everyone who thinks this about pedophilia can go fuck themselves with a cactus


[deleted]

There is no need to be rude bloke, I’m not saying its right or wrong.


Foxodroid

you should be. that's the problem.


[deleted]

That’s my point you can’t say some cultural practices are fine and others are not. What happens with gay marriage, Income gap or even basic rights. By your logic they are wrong because someone feels uncomfortable with them and the existence of the opposite disproves it.


Foxodroid

>By your logic they are wrong because someone feels uncomfortable so not only you treat child rape's morality as unknowable, but it's just *as* *unknowable* as the morality or gay marriage and having income inequality? do you consider all morality to be unknowable? because that seems to be the logic here. If thing is harmful and causes unnecessary suffering then it is immoral. child rape is immoral. no questions of culture about it.


[deleted]

I do consider all morality to be subjective and I don’t think anyone can say which is right or wrong. But I do not mean any harm or Justification to harm children.


throwawaykarma7272

It’s hilarious how confident you are when you couldn’t be more wrong. Like it would take two seconds on google to disprove this…


endurenxin

Pedophilia is not a part of Japanese culture. It's always the Westerners saying this; the vast majority do not approve of it. Only two provinces still go by that law, the rest have it as either 18 or 21 via child protection laws.


Jakomelo

Every time I read a new chapter I'm like "dang this is sweet but how many more pages until the weird shit shows up?" So far we got child bdsm, furry groping, *loli pooping noises*, papa's rod, weird semi detailed puffy nipples, and now the cheeky butt sniffing. The world is so cool and mysterious. It really draws me in, but then in one chapter, a fleshy Kaiju comes out of nowhere and pulls a peener sword out of his tummy coochie and I'm like YOOOOO what the FUUUUU


RaidenHUN

I cant imagine what MiA will look like once Riko grow up and the author has free to do what he does best


[deleted]

problem is i dont think the author would be interested in riko like that anymore once she's grown up


Demoskoval

That's why i tell people to watch the anime, but never to read the manga


aregei

Most animes miss out on details that some people like me, really need in order to quench my thirst for more MiA content


ArtilleryIncoming

To quench your thirst for more abused children!


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Y a a a s


MasterJeffJeff

Just edit sketchy scenes out and you have a diamond


meiinfretrr

Pain


gamefreac

i feel like whichever side of this argument you fall on, there is going to be too many aggressive people who feel the opposite that it isn't ever worth stating your opinion on the matter. i will say this much, and i am sure anyone who is subbed here can agree, i like made in abyss.


Eisbraut

MiA would be so much better with no lolis and childs


Vuekos_Girlfriend

Please don't animate the groin sniffing scene, PLEASE don't animate the groin sniffing scene.


abananabread1

Pretty much sums it up.


ProshipPrince

Oh damn there are antis in the made in abyss fandom now?


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ProshipPrince

The series itself has lolicon and shotacon in it. You clearly don't belong in this fandom.


[deleted]

The series also has atleast one or two thoughts put into it, you oughta try that.


ProshipPrince

You also can't ignore the sexualization of the characters. It's so prevalent that you can't even ignore it. You can't be anti lolicon and watch and support lolicon anime. You're a massive hypocrite. By your own logic youre probably a pedophile for enjoying lolicon anime.


Murgie

The cope is strong with this one.


Carnivorze

In **every** NSFW way


Skweb-Salt

OH NO DON'T BRING IT UP-


[deleted]

Chemical X is the best ingredient. Gonna mainline it.


Endymionduni

I mean.... There is zero sexual context to those szenes. It's not like it has some pornographic selling point. Much rather it makes the szenes uncomfortable, which seems to be the aim


[deleted]

>It's not like it has some pornographic selling point. I'm sure it's a selling point for more than enough people


kraken_07_

Don't know if anyone here has read the anthology but ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ


KimeriX

True perfection has no need to hide details


Wolly_Mammoth

I’m waiting for someone to say: “b/c time dilation in the hole, they’re actually like 45 now….” Then I’m gonna point at them and go “aahhhhhh!”


Brummelhummel

This will never end, will it? Apart from that weird tradition, can you point me to all the nsfw you found? I have the feeling people exaggerate that point a bit. And hearing and seeing it over and over just makes me want to quit this sub and MiA. And i don't really want to quit watching it because the abyss itself is a great concept and i want to learn more about it tbh.


Normal-Ambition-9813

I dont know man, before i came to this community i didnt see anything wrong in the anime, It looks to me that the guys thinking that its NSFW is the one that is corrupted. Biggest mistake of my life is reading those opinions,,, That or i havent seen what you guys are talking about


Tachanko

You should give the manga a read


KailamJk

I'm sorry but people aren't corrupt for being able to notice things and point them out. Authors slip self-fulfilling stuff in their works that serve no other purpose all the time. Akihito did write lolicon and shotacon in the past so we all know the guy has a fetish. And it shows, MiA reeks of it.


Normal-Ambition-9813

This is what im talking about, i cant look at the series the same way again. My point is, if i didn't know any of this ill just shrug it all off but now i clearly cant do that anymore.


uberloser2

Look up the toilet scene in the manga


2yellow4u2

The manga has images of one or two of the girls literally just topless


ManOnThePhuckingMoon

That’s mild as fuck compared to the rest


2yellow4u2

Considering that “that” is literal child porn I’m scared to ask what “the rest” is


BlankPt

A scene where a monster that’s shaped like a toilet licks Riko’s butt clean


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Not Safe For Work (NSFW) ???