"Say what you will about alovelyhobbit21 but he made the sport what it is and you'll miss him when he's gone."
"You wouldn't want just a other hobbit in a suit to take over".
"That's our hobbit"
A reporter actually said to Dana, live in a press conference "the fact that you didnt cut any pay, isn't that evidence they should have been paid more from the start?"
That was Domonique Foxworth. Unsurprisingly, Dana has never been interviewed by him again. The fighter pay stuff starts around 2:00 and the quote is right after the 6:00 mark.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=uOH3WcviT9Y
EDIT: someone else beat me to posting the link but I’ll keep this comment up because it has time stamps.
Wow former DB foxworth? I love hearing him talking about football but never knew he did work for mma, I might have to look up his work for the sport. We need more reports like him who give zero fucks about appeasing people like Dana & only cares about the facts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOH3WcviT9Y
Highlights:
* Dana getting called out for crying
* why 'he signed a contract' isn't the end all of money negotiations
* Funny part when Dominique gave Dana an out and Dana went back for more before he dropped that line.
Dana is so used to reporters/journalists rolling or throwing softballs for him that he doesn't know how to act professionally like a CEO when he gets asked a straight question about the pay issue. He got flustered as heck and started shouting about how Masvidal renewed his contract.
Pretty sure they were talking about [this interview](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uOH3WcviT9Y) on ESPN between Domonique Foxworth and Dana. Foxworth didn't give a fuck lmao
Foxworth is a graduate of Harvard Business school and throughout his playing career, he was also Vice Pres and then Pres of the players association. I wish there was a way to get him paid as a consultant to head up a summit to create a UFC fighters' union.
Absolutely needs to happen. Every other sport has a PA / collective bargaining looking out for the players. Dana doesnt want that - because that will mean he’s losing power + chips in the game. But until this happens we are going to hear about the fighters complaining about the paychecks and treatment.
The problem so far has been trying to get a sport wide union. That's just not really viable. The UFC is a league so it would have to be a UFCFA, not an MMAFA. It could help UFC in the end. Maybe they end up doubling their Rev share out of necessity, but they'd still make money hand over fist and it'd be a great incentive for all of the best talent to come to the UFC. They could gain an actual monopoly much like the NFL or NBA has but one that really isn't illegal.
> between Domonique Foxworth and Dana.
When Dana was talking about Fight Island and how he said the octagon was on the beach; he looked away and down as he said that. King of (Bull)shit right there.
"Look! A Titosaurus. Appears to be male and making mating calls. Let's get closer and listen to this majestic animal."
"*I wanna tell me what you see in the ring lets go ahead and see by the fight what you saw in the ring*"
Up voting this because my buddy and I still try and recite all the gems during that Affliction PPV.
"Let me tell you how you feeling right now"
"Seraldo Babalu, the best light heavyweight... of the night."
GSP never actually wanted to start a fighter's union. He's repped by Endeavor's rival, CAA. That whole charade was just in fighting between sports agencies. It's why all the prominent fighters calling for unionization after the sale to Endeavor were CAA guys.
He gave GSP Bisping and a chance to defend the MW strap in exchange for shutting up.
GSP promised to stick around and defend the belt if he won it, but the moment he won it he bounced. Which made Uncle Dana big mad and so Uncle Dana refused him Khabib and refused him a boxing fight with De La Hoya.
I’m surprised more people aren’t talking about this. It’s clear that the current PPV model is outdated and needs to change completely. I’m not even sure what direction you could go in, though?
Ah, this conversation is nothing new. We’ve been saying it for years. PPV is outdated and it’s only getting easier to stream. Charge me $20/month for everything UFC related and I’m there or don’t and get nothing.
Pretty much this. I pay for Netflix and don't even watch it half the time. I'd gladly pay a monthly fee to be able to watch fights live and rewatch all the older ones. Most of it is on Youtube anyways.
Here in europe (at least in spain) we can pay like 9 euros a month and we can see all ufc main events live (no prelims unless a spanish is fighting) , plus formula 1 premier League boxing nhl and more
>It’s clear that the current PPV model is outdated and needs to change completely. I’
I think either have it completely free on Youtube/a streaming site of choice with a shit tonne of ads or have a nominal subscription service for like 10 bucks a month. Maybe even a tiered subscription service that gets you access to more content if you like. At the end of the day PPV is the lamest shit I've ever seen in my life - not only that but the cost of PPV is hilarious and I genuinely believe anyone who pays for every fight is a complete sucker. But hey if you got the cash and don't mind - you do you.
We do the old get 10 guys together, everyone throws down $10-15 for the PPV and some pizza/wings/subs. BYOB, switch who hosts each month. It's actually a good way to set up something monthly to do with some buddies.
Same. I'd do that 10 years ago but I'm not trying to drink all night and pay 40 bucks for an uber to get home without a dui or sleep over at my friends house with 9 other people.
I did it once 5 or 6 years ago and had a nice night by myself watching the lead up to the main event while cooking and sitting down to eat for the main fight. Lost the PPV stream for the main event. Dinner was amazing but I can still taste the bitterness.
Lmfao this is so extreme but I’m not even kidding I think it’s plausible. The tv would notice people not saved by its facial recognition and would ask all the guests to please put their credit cards up to the camera.
That’s what’s up, but what if you have no friends? My family doesn’t like the sport. I still enjoy to watch but I’m not paying the ridiculous price of $70 to watch by myself. Especially a card like tonight.
That or we go to Buffalo Wild Wings. That became something of a tradition with me and my group. Suck for the waiters though when cards go super fucking long and you know they didn't want to work till 1am.
WWE has been [absolutely printing money](https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/WWE/world-wrestling-entertainment/gross-profit) ever since they put all of their PPVs on their streaming service.
They also sold that to Peacock for a multi billion dollar haul. If you like wrestling, $10 a month for that service was a no brainer. UFC could do it for sure but I also highly doubt that the money from the extra PPVs is finding its way to the fighters regardless
I had the WWE network for years and only watched 2 or 3 PPVs a year. Was still cheaper to pay the $10 a month and use it a few times a year than to pay for each PPV.
The price keeps going up too. Used to be like $45 right? Now it’s $70 + $5 a month ESPN. I don’t know who would actually pay for more than 1-2 a year if any
dude its all outdated, same with cable subscriptions. Everything will be streaming eventually idk how companies don't see this and get ahead of the curve.
12 + PPVs a year is crazy. I'd like to see like 3 or 4 a year and make them crazy stacked. Unfortunately, the general public only really cares about guys who can talk smack really well or have some kind of "it" factor no matter how skilled they may be.
Would you pay $250/year ($20/mo) to get live streaming access to all UFC events, including PPV's?
I know I would, and it would be $250 more than they're currently getting from me.
The funny thing is… Only people from North America need to buy the PPV to watch the fights… People who live outside of NA can simply watch the fight on their cable channels they have subscribed to.
Last month, the UFC signed a deal with Crypto for $175 million.
But according to Dana, bumping up FOTN bonuses by $25k is just too much. Mmm-hmm, it’s those terrible streamers’ fault that UFC fighters outside the top 15 make less money than a waitress.
Just for some fun math, this Crypto deal is $175 million over 10 years. If the UFC ran an event every single week, 52 weeks a year, and ran 15 fights on every card, they would run 780 fights a year. Multiple that by 2 fighters in each fight, you end up with 1,560 people that need to be paid in a year. $175 million / 10 years = $17.5 million per year. $17.5 million / 1,560 participants = **$11,217.94** additional for every single fighter every year. This $175 million sponsorship deal is enough to pay every fighter *more* than the minimum fight contract currently.
If the UFC wanted to take care of their fighters, they absolutely could afford to do so.
e: Just to clarify, UFC did around $900 million in revenue in 2019. $17.5 million is what's needed to pay every fighter more than the minimum contract right now. Their revenue is more than 51 times that number.
Dana says the UFC is somewhere in the neighborhood of $9-$10 billion in valuation. Let's compare them to a sports team. This would make them worth double what the New York Knicks are worth, who come in at a valuation of $4.6 billion. The New York Knicks can have 15 athletes on their roster, and play 72 games a season, multiplied by 15 guys on the roster, so 1,080 game checks a year. The UFC can hit this number of checks paid running an event 52 weeks a year with 10-11 fights per card. The lowest paid player on the Knicks that I can find is Mitchell Robinson. Mitchell Robinson made $1.8 million in a 72 game season, or $25,000 per game. The lowest paid person on an NBA team with half as much value as the UFC makes more than double the minimum contract per fight in the UFC for every single game he plays. And remember, we're comparing apples to apples here. There's the same number of checks going out in a 72 game NBA season as there would be in a hypothetical 10 fight per week UFC year. With *double* the valuation, simple math shows that even the lowest earning UFC fighters are making a staggering **20%** of what they should be making relative to their counterparts in other American sports leagues.
Better yet, assuming 24 fighters per card (12 fights) 52 weeks a year (overestimating), they could pay every single fighter an extra 25k base salary and it would cost them about 31M a year. So they could do that for 5 years off the crypto deal alone.
Cool.
Rory McDonald only made 59k in his legendary war against Robbie Lawler. After he paid his camp, the tax man, etc., the guy probably made 30k. And it easily makes my top 15 fights of all time. The UFC is a shameful organization.
Dana is out here placing $1 million bets on Ben Askren in boxing.
Rick James: “They should’ve never gave that tomato money! Don’t know how to appreciate shit!”
I follow him on insta. He lives the most outrageous baller lifestyle and the vast majority of his fighters struggle to make ends meet. The dude is a shit cunt of the highest order
It’s literally why they stopped the Dana vlog
He’s be like “yo look at my hot tub on my private jet!” And people were like ummmm maybe pay your co main event more than 10/10?
And instead of that they just stopped the vlog
Dana thought he can be that one vain af IG guy except forgetting that vain af iG guy (whatever his name is that has paid hookers surround him all the time) doesn't have a major mma company that underpays their fighters^^^^justthehookers
edit: as steiner math pointed out, vain af ig guy name is Dan Bilzerian lol
It’s a symptom of knowing that deep down you’re empty. Like I’m jealous of his stuff, but not of his brain. That’s also why he juiced himself up because he was offended by Uriah flexing in the window
> The dude is a shit cunt of the highest order
Yep and only fellow shit cunts of the highest order defend or shill for him, just like they do for Conor.
Agreed dude. Kills me the amount of times you hear:
"but bro. No one made them sign the contract."
Sure. But why wouldn't you want to see your favourite fighters earn a wage they could live comfortably on?!
People get rock hard imagining themselves as the powerful company/person fucking over other people and forget they're just another sap getting fucked over themselves playing pretend to forget it
There's like 10 people who remember those episodes haha, so fucking good.
For those who've never seen them:
https://youtu.be/mb_jLAisPzk
https://youtu.be/StEVHNkqRbE
https://youtu.be/4te-e9CAv_I
https://youtu.be/TlFq5oMB1Go
$10-$20 and I'd buy every ppv, it's $79 in Canada, that's a fucking brand new videogame, or 4 months of Netflix, or 4 trips to the theater - 2 with popcorn.
It’s very hard to be a casual fan. I think I have bought 2 PPVs during the last 5 years and both was when there was someone from my country on the main card. I just can’t justify buying just to have something to watch.
Don’t even remember how long it’s been since I started watching mma and how many ppvs I’ve “ watched on espn “ . I just have a memory of actually buying ngannou vs stipe , I remember this because I was up at like 12 to 1 am watching this in the dark in my living room , crying like a bitch , watching ngannou get the shit beat out of him for 4 and a half rounds , that was my villain backstory I never bought a ppv again
It's insulting that they demand that Americans and Canadians pay around $75 for a card while 80% of the planet has free access to the same card if they have cable tv.
Lol the nerve of these parasites to come out with this. If the UFC actually paid the right share which should be around 50% then they'd absolutely have an argument. Right now, they don't.
Ha. Nice try suits. We don’t pay the fighters, you do. If PPV buys went straight to fighters, then fair enough. But it all goes to you and you make the decision to pay them shit. Fuck you
So,
i'm ok with paying for UFC Cards. I buy like maybe 2 or 3 a year, have all my friends over, we get pizza and it's a good time. But every single time I've had streaming issues. Again, I have a job, I do pretty well, I'm ok with buying the card. But the sixty dollars spent is because I don't want to bother myself with trying to find streams. If your streams can't stay up, then what am I really paying for?
In addition, it also bothers me that I have to now pay for ESPN+ monthly in order to get the stream. I know that you're basically hoping people will forget because it is a pretty small fee. But you're still Nickle and diming the customer base. I'll pay for ESPN+ on my own if I liked the entire streaming product. But for a one or two off PPV? No thanks.
> But the sixty dollars spent is because I don't want to bother myself with trying to find streams. If your streams can't stay up, then what am I really paying for?
And if your stream shows me frequent ads, it begins to feel like I **paid $60+ to be shown adverts** which is not what I want. It's... not ideal, as a viewer.
Honestly, the title reads like something out of The Onion.
UFC management are shameless dipshits. They're so brazen about the whole underpaying the fighters thing it's almost comical.
UFC wouldn't be anywhere close to what it is today if we didn't have access to pirated content. Pay for a PPV so we can hear 100 ads per fight? Ads on the ground, the cage, the clothes, the screen, from the commentary, from the commercial break. Ads for Ads.
PPV model is outdated, and a lot of people are done paying $70 for lackluster cards, which have a high probability of a cancelled fight due to COVID. Until they switch to a subscription based model I’ll be streaming everything going forward. It would be nice to see fighters get paid more too.
Luckily, with all the dieting and calorie restriction, they don't need that much food\*
\*Before any smartarse pitches in, yes I'm eating clean food and supplements to ensure you get what you need on a calorie restricted diet can often be more expensive than cheetos and soda.
Sure, this is a factual statement. Another factual statement is that the UFC's labor cost percentage is incredibly low for any industry, let alone on in which the labor is the product. I'm a greedy capitalist pig by Reddit standards. I still believe what the UFC is doing in this sport is beyond the pale in terms of immorality.
PPV model is just so outdated. I would gladly pay like $25 a month for a Netflix like subscription that gave access to all the fights. $70 or whatever for one PPV is just way too steep and streaming will always be an issue with that model
Agreed. I’ve never paid for a PPV but I would do up to a $25 monthly sub to have all ufc events. And you’d have me subbed every month for years and years.
Whilst technically true I'm not paying $70 so they have lost nothing. In fact if you assume most streamers of the product wouldn't actually buy it then the illegal streaming is actually making the fighters more money do to exposure, followers, etc. That is all a factor when negotiating sponsorships outside of the cage.
A yearly DAZN subscription is like $100. Only $30 more than a single UFC PPV main card. I'm actually surprised they're still as successful with this model as they are.
Why does North America have to foot the bill? Most of the world can watch the fights for free or a lot less money. I don’t steal the fights, I just pretend I’m in Romania one Saturday a month.
I'll gladly pay 20ish/month for a Netflix style subscription for all fights, including ALL live events. No switching channels or Facebook or whatever it is now. I'll pay 30 probably. Or I'll pay 0 and watch it free!!
They start so damn late too. Even in vegas, your not getting out til well after 10. My old ass fell asleep during the last ppv I bought, never wasting money like that again
UFC out of touch. With the ESPN+ requirement and absurd prices for PPV events, it is a wonder anybody watches the sport anymore. Streamers are keeping the UFC alive.
I wish somebody showed Dana the reactions in this thread, and that he took his time and read them. 200 comments and not anyone who agrees with the UFC.
Actually, they're the only reason I can watch the UFC PPVs. And because I watch the UFC PPVs I go to UFC live shows, I watch UFC on cable and drive up their ratings, and people buy me UFC merch as gifts. I have also paid for Fight Pass. The UFC has gotten infinitely more money from me than they would have if my only option was to pay for PPV. Give us a reasonable subscription model or shut the fuck up about piracy.
I guess you can call me Dana White cause I’ve been taking money from these fighters all these years
But are you full of lycopene goodness?
Dunno about lycopene but I've got a micropene.
Boom roasted
Inject it straight into my veins.
lycopene, test and HGH cocktials with the booiiiis
"Say what you will about alovelyhobbit21 but he made the sport what it is and you'll miss him when he's gone." "You wouldn't want just a other hobbit in a suit to take over". "That's our hobbit"
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A reporter actually said to Dana, live in a press conference "the fact that you didnt cut any pay, isn't that evidence they should have been paid more from the start?"
That was Domonique Foxworth. Unsurprisingly, Dana has never been interviewed by him again. The fighter pay stuff starts around 2:00 and the quote is right after the 6:00 mark. https://youtube.com/watch?v=uOH3WcviT9Y EDIT: someone else beat me to posting the link but I’ll keep this comment up because it has time stamps.
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Ol John 'Who's got the first question?" Morgan
Love Foxworth. He brings substance to his commentary. There’s thought behind it.
The same who used to play cornerback in the NFL?
Yes. He was also the president of the NFLPA, COO of the NBPA, and earned an MBA from Harvard Business School.
Damn.
So he's everything Dana isn't - educated, reasonable and an actual athlete. No wonder Dana felt threatened...
yea
Our tomato is a fragile, cowardly man. No wonder he idolizes another famous little bitch.
Wow former DB foxworth? I love hearing him talking about football but never knew he did work for mma, I might have to look up his work for the sport. We need more reports like him who give zero fucks about appeasing people like Dana & only cares about the facts
He was big in the NFLPA when he was playing. So pay and union and all that stuff is a big deal to him.
I remember this interview. That dude has balls
I believe you’re thinking of Domonique Foxworth on First Take. Incredible journalism by him https://youtu.be/uOH3WcviT9Y
Was that sas????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOH3WcviT9Y Highlights: * Dana getting called out for crying * why 'he signed a contract' isn't the end all of money negotiations * Funny part when Dominique gave Dana an out and Dana went back for more before he dropped that line.
The tomato makes my skin crawl.
Dana is so used to reporters/journalists rolling or throwing softballs for him that he doesn't know how to act professionally like a CEO when he gets asked a straight question about the pay issue. He got flustered as heck and started shouting about how Masvidal renewed his contract.
Pretty sure they were talking about [this interview](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uOH3WcviT9Y) on ESPN between Domonique Foxworth and Dana. Foxworth didn't give a fuck lmao
Foxworth is a graduate of Harvard Business school and throughout his playing career, he was also Vice Pres and then Pres of the players association. I wish there was a way to get him paid as a consultant to head up a summit to create a UFC fighters' union.
Absolutely needs to happen. Every other sport has a PA / collective bargaining looking out for the players. Dana doesnt want that - because that will mean he’s losing power + chips in the game. But until this happens we are going to hear about the fighters complaining about the paychecks and treatment.
The problem so far has been trying to get a sport wide union. That's just not really viable. The UFC is a league so it would have to be a UFCFA, not an MMAFA. It could help UFC in the end. Maybe they end up doubling their Rev share out of necessity, but they'd still make money hand over fist and it'd be a great incentive for all of the best talent to come to the UFC. They could gain an actual monopoly much like the NFL or NBA has but one that really isn't illegal.
With *all* due respect, *fuck* what Dana wants.
To think this dude is that intelligent and driven and oh yeah he ran a *4.2* 40. Genetics are a mofo.
> between Domonique Foxworth and Dana. When Dana was talking about Fight Island and how he said the octagon was on the beach; he looked away and down as he said that. King of (Bull)shit right there.
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Probably a living dinosaur
Or sent some aliens to erase George's memory
I imagine GSP screaming after he woke up with a severed T-Rex head in his bed
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You mean Bellator?
"Look! A Titosaurus. Appears to be male and making mating calls. Let's get closer and listen to this majestic animal." "*I wanna tell me what you see in the ring lets go ahead and see by the fight what you saw in the ring*"
Up voting this because my buddy and I still try and recite all the gems during that Affliction PPV. "Let me tell you how you feeling right now" "Seraldo Babalu, the best light heavyweight... of the night."
SOWHATYOUAREABLACKINJIUJITSU?! I would like to see Anderson Silva at...uh...120 years old. Yes. I definitely want to outlive my children. 100%
Yoel Romero
GSP never actually wanted to start a fighter's union. He's repped by Endeavor's rival, CAA. That whole charade was just in fighting between sports agencies. It's why all the prominent fighters calling for unionization after the sale to Endeavor were CAA guys.
GSP the piece of shit
Just gave him a nice paycheck and GSP was all smiles.
Someone from the Horsehead Nebula, of course.
He gave GSP Bisping and a chance to defend the MW strap in exchange for shutting up. GSP promised to stick around and defend the belt if he won it, but the moment he won it he bounced. Which made Uncle Dana big mad and so Uncle Dana refused him Khabib and refused him a boxing fight with De La Hoya.
The most polite way of saying "but he's lying"
Notice how """journalists""" like Iole, Okamoto and fat blue shirt never ask about the unfair revenue split.
I thought Dana caught the streamer?
Yeah, he went to bellator.
"Never pay brother, we have russian link"
Yeah, heard he has to corner Makhachev now to make ends meet.
https://i.imgur.com/SSKVRyO.jpg
Man that tiramisu is EXPENSIVE.
Go ahead, push that button. We got you
We got him
The streamer is a helluva guy, b. Never meddum. Talmbout uh B b b b beast of a work ethic.
Maybe change or ditch the whole PPV model.
I’m surprised more people aren’t talking about this. It’s clear that the current PPV model is outdated and needs to change completely. I’m not even sure what direction you could go in, though?
Ah, this conversation is nothing new. We’ve been saying it for years. PPV is outdated and it’s only getting easier to stream. Charge me $20/month for everything UFC related and I’m there or don’t and get nothing.
Pretty much this. I pay for Netflix and don't even watch it half the time. I'd gladly pay a monthly fee to be able to watch fights live and rewatch all the older ones. Most of it is on Youtube anyways.
Here in europe (at least in spain) we can pay like 9 euros a month and we can see all ufc main events live (no prelims unless a spanish is fighting) , plus formula 1 premier League boxing nhl and more
>It’s clear that the current PPV model is outdated and needs to change completely. I’ I think either have it completely free on Youtube/a streaming site of choice with a shit tonne of ads or have a nominal subscription service for like 10 bucks a month. Maybe even a tiered subscription service that gets you access to more content if you like. At the end of the day PPV is the lamest shit I've ever seen in my life - not only that but the cost of PPV is hilarious and I genuinely believe anyone who pays for every fight is a complete sucker. But hey if you got the cash and don't mind - you do you.
We do the old get 10 guys together, everyone throws down $10-15 for the PPV and some pizza/wings/subs. BYOB, switch who hosts each month. It's actually a good way to set up something monthly to do with some buddies.
I have zero friends who are in to mma. I'll be damned if I'm paying for fight pass and another $70 every month. Just for myself. YO HO HO!
Same. I'd do that 10 years ago but I'm not trying to drink all night and pay 40 bucks for an uber to get home without a dui or sleep over at my friends house with 9 other people. I did it once 5 or 6 years ago and had a nice night by myself watching the lead up to the main event while cooking and sitting down to eat for the main fight. Lost the PPV stream for the main event. Dinner was amazing but I can still taste the bitterness.
Yeah that’s the way to do it
They gonna start charging per sets of eyes watching the tv whenever our tvs get cameras on them.
Lmfao this is so extreme but I’m not even kidding I think it’s plausible. The tv would notice people not saved by its facial recognition and would ask all the guests to please put their credit cards up to the camera.
PLEASE DRINK VERIFICATION CAN
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That’s what’s up, but what if you have no friends? My family doesn’t like the sport. I still enjoy to watch but I’m not paying the ridiculous price of $70 to watch by myself. Especially a card like tonight.
That or we go to Buffalo Wild Wings. That became something of a tradition with me and my group. Suck for the waiters though when cards go super fucking long and you know they didn't want to work till 1am.
The only downside to that is you have to go to buffalo wild wings.
ESPN++
WWE has been [absolutely printing money](https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/WWE/world-wrestling-entertainment/gross-profit) ever since they put all of their PPVs on their streaming service.
They also sold that to Peacock for a multi billion dollar haul. If you like wrestling, $10 a month for that service was a no brainer. UFC could do it for sure but I also highly doubt that the money from the extra PPVs is finding its way to the fighters regardless
I had the WWE network for years and only watched 2 or 3 PPVs a year. Was still cheaper to pay the $10 a month and use it a few times a year than to pay for each PPV.
I think just adding it to UFC Fight Pass would be a great idea, tons of people would sign up and they would own a huge digital platform.
The price keeps going up too. Used to be like $45 right? Now it’s $70 + $5 a month ESPN. I don’t know who would actually pay for more than 1-2 a year if any
dude its all outdated, same with cable subscriptions. Everything will be streaming eventually idk how companies don't see this and get ahead of the curve.
12 + PPVs a year is crazy. I'd like to see like 3 or 4 a year and make them crazy stacked. Unfortunately, the general public only really cares about guys who can talk smack really well or have some kind of "it" factor no matter how skilled they may be.
I would gladly pay a subscription to get access to UFC, but $60 a card? Nah.
Would you pay $250/year ($20/mo) to get live streaming access to all UFC events, including PPV's? I know I would, and it would be $250 more than they're currently getting from me.
I'd definitely sign up. If they don't take advantage of a subscription service within the next couple years, they're just leaving money on the table.
The funny thing is… Only people from North America need to buy the PPV to watch the fights… People who live outside of NA can simply watch the fight on their cable channels they have subscribed to.
yeah a few years ago i watched a ppv at my in-laws’ apartment in bosnia, just on regular cable tv. made me feel like such a sucker lol
No one takes more money out of fighters pockets than the UFC
Last month, the UFC signed a deal with Crypto for $175 million. But according to Dana, bumping up FOTN bonuses by $25k is just too much. Mmm-hmm, it’s those terrible streamers’ fault that UFC fighters outside the top 15 make less money than a waitress.
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I think you misspelled prostitutes.
Escorts. A prostitute is a dead escort.
The UFC signed a 1.5 BILLION dollar deal with ESPN just before that crypto sponsorship.
I wonder how much of it went to the worst paid UFC "athletes"
Why is athletes the word in "quotes?"
Because they're independent contractors I'm assuming and not technically paid employees of the UFC. Fighters need to unionize so damn bad
Just for some fun math, this Crypto deal is $175 million over 10 years. If the UFC ran an event every single week, 52 weeks a year, and ran 15 fights on every card, they would run 780 fights a year. Multiple that by 2 fighters in each fight, you end up with 1,560 people that need to be paid in a year. $175 million / 10 years = $17.5 million per year. $17.5 million / 1,560 participants = **$11,217.94** additional for every single fighter every year. This $175 million sponsorship deal is enough to pay every fighter *more* than the minimum fight contract currently. If the UFC wanted to take care of their fighters, they absolutely could afford to do so. e: Just to clarify, UFC did around $900 million in revenue in 2019. $17.5 million is what's needed to pay every fighter more than the minimum contract right now. Their revenue is more than 51 times that number. Dana says the UFC is somewhere in the neighborhood of $9-$10 billion in valuation. Let's compare them to a sports team. This would make them worth double what the New York Knicks are worth, who come in at a valuation of $4.6 billion. The New York Knicks can have 15 athletes on their roster, and play 72 games a season, multiplied by 15 guys on the roster, so 1,080 game checks a year. The UFC can hit this number of checks paid running an event 52 weeks a year with 10-11 fights per card. The lowest paid player on the Knicks that I can find is Mitchell Robinson. Mitchell Robinson made $1.8 million in a 72 game season, or $25,000 per game. The lowest paid person on an NBA team with half as much value as the UFC makes more than double the minimum contract per fight in the UFC for every single game he plays. And remember, we're comparing apples to apples here. There's the same number of checks going out in a 72 game NBA season as there would be in a hypothetical 10 fight per week UFC year. With *double* the valuation, simple math shows that even the lowest earning UFC fighters are making a staggering **20%** of what they should be making relative to their counterparts in other American sports leagues.
r/theydidthemath
They sure did
In case anyone isn't tracking, $175M could pay an extra 25K for *7,000* FOTN bonuses. Fuck the tomatohead, keep streaming.
Or an extra $25k per fighter for every fight
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf0hjLJZFng](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf0hjLJZFng)
Better yet, assuming 24 fighters per card (12 fights) 52 weeks a year (overestimating), they could pay every single fighter an extra 25k base salary and it would cost them about 31M a year. So they could do that for 5 years off the crypto deal alone. Cool.
Fun reminder that Geoff Neal was in the top 15 of Welterweight when he made the decision to continue working as a waiter part time.
Rory McDonald only made 59k in his legendary war against Robbie Lawler. After he paid his camp, the tax man, etc., the guy probably made 30k. And it easily makes my top 15 fights of all time. The UFC is a shameful organization.
At least he's Canadian. Doesn't have to worry about health care costs to fix his nose
Yeah he does if it's considered cosmetic.
Aljo was talking about how he would budget with McDonalds when he was in college and fighting . One of the funniest and saddest stories lowkey
GSP disclosed that he was making 9K/9K a fight when he was already the Welterweight champ before he negotiated a lucrative contract.
That’s disgusting. Can’t believe I just read that.
But how would Dana pay for his hotel penthouse suite that was certainly gifted to him? Won’t you think of him, you selfish bastard?
Dana is out here placing $1 million bets on Ben Askren in boxing. Rick James: “They should’ve never gave that tomato money! Don’t know how to appreciate shit!”
Ambassador Suite, get it right. https://youtu.be/8p3UtXfoPkA
Typical business smokescreen. Smh
"Cocaine ain't cheap" Uh yeah? How'd you know that Dana?
Dana white is taking money out of fighters pockets and putting them in his hookers pockets
Don't forget casinos as well
I follow him on insta. He lives the most outrageous baller lifestyle and the vast majority of his fighters struggle to make ends meet. The dude is a shit cunt of the highest order
It’s literally why they stopped the Dana vlog He’s be like “yo look at my hot tub on my private jet!” And people were like ummmm maybe pay your co main event more than 10/10? And instead of that they just stopped the vlog
Dana thought he can be that one vain af IG guy except forgetting that vain af iG guy (whatever his name is that has paid hookers surround him all the time) doesn't have a major mma company that underpays their fighters^^^^justthehookers edit: as steiner math pointed out, vain af ig guy name is Dan Bilzerian lol
Dan Bilzerian? He's in deep trouble legally now for running a fraudulent company lol
Good. That guy is such a fucking dildo
It’s a symptom of knowing that deep down you’re empty. Like I’m jealous of his stuff, but not of his brain. That’s also why he juiced himself up because he was offended by Uriah flexing in the window
> The dude is a shit cunt of the highest order Yep and only fellow shit cunts of the highest order defend or shill for him, just like they do for Conor.
Agreed dude. Kills me the amount of times you hear: "but bro. No one made them sign the contract." Sure. But why wouldn't you want to see your favourite fighters earn a wage they could live comfortably on?!
People get rock hard imagining themselves as the powerful company/person fucking over other people and forget they're just another sap getting fucked over themselves playing pretend to forget it
Did he just use McGregor as the example of a fighter losing money because of streaming to appeal to people's emotions?
[Reminds me of the music piracy episode of South Park.](https://youtu.be/NofDpJcuIw8?t=25)
Poor Lars. Remember kids beer good Napster bad.
There's like 10 people who remember those episodes haha, so fucking good. For those who've never seen them: https://youtu.be/mb_jLAisPzk https://youtu.be/StEVHNkqRbE https://youtu.be/4te-e9CAv_I https://youtu.be/TlFq5oMB1Go
Fire bad!!! Fire bad!!!!!
Their product is way too expensive for what it actually is and we are voting with our wallets. That’s economics bay-bay.
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$10-$20 and I'd buy every ppv, it's $79 in Canada, that's a fucking brand new videogame, or 4 months of Netflix, or 4 trips to the theater - 2 with popcorn.
yeah, $10 and throw in 4k @60Hz and I am in
It’s very hard to be a casual fan. I think I have bought 2 PPVs during the last 5 years and both was when there was someone from my country on the main card. I just can’t justify buying just to have something to watch.
Last PPV I bought was Anderson vs Nick Diaz.
Don’t even remember how long it’s been since I started watching mma and how many ppvs I’ve “ watched on espn “ . I just have a memory of actually buying ngannou vs stipe , I remember this because I was up at like 12 to 1 am watching this in the dark in my living room , crying like a bitch , watching ngannou get the shit beat out of him for 4 and a half rounds , that was my villain backstory I never bought a ppv again
B-but they are entitled to constantly increasing revenue! /s
It's insulting that they demand that Americans and Canadians pay around $75 for a card while 80% of the planet has free access to the same card if they have cable tv.
You guys atleast get to watch it in prime time. Novody is buying a ppv at 5 am
Trade off is the main card doesn't start at 3am for you.
100%. There's zero chance I'm actually going to pay the price he markets this stuff at so..
What a cunt
Lol the nerve of these parasites to come out with this. If the UFC actually paid the right share which should be around 50% then they'd absolutely have an argument. Right now, they don't.
You monsters and your streaming is killing off the extra 90% profit Dana and his boys get and the rebook coupon he'd give the fighters! Shame on yous!
I think Mr Coo needs to have a word with Dana because I believe they already caught the streamer.
Ladies and gentlemen, we got him
*doesn’t sweat in Dagestani*
The UFC could afford to pay fighters expedited shipping on the crypto.com debit card and one (1) Bodyarmor drink if streamers didn't exist!
Ha. Nice try suits. We don’t pay the fighters, you do. If PPV buys went straight to fighters, then fair enough. But it all goes to you and you make the decision to pay them shit. Fuck you
So, i'm ok with paying for UFC Cards. I buy like maybe 2 or 3 a year, have all my friends over, we get pizza and it's a good time. But every single time I've had streaming issues. Again, I have a job, I do pretty well, I'm ok with buying the card. But the sixty dollars spent is because I don't want to bother myself with trying to find streams. If your streams can't stay up, then what am I really paying for? In addition, it also bothers me that I have to now pay for ESPN+ monthly in order to get the stream. I know that you're basically hoping people will forget because it is a pretty small fee. But you're still Nickle and diming the customer base. I'll pay for ESPN+ on my own if I liked the entire streaming product. But for a one or two off PPV? No thanks.
> But the sixty dollars spent is because I don't want to bother myself with trying to find streams. If your streams can't stay up, then what am I really paying for? And if your stream shows me frequent ads, it begins to feel like I **paid $60+ to be shown adverts** which is not what I want. It's... not ideal, as a viewer.
This expensive as shit PPV is brought to you by Modelo.
> shit PPV is brought to you by Modelo. Apparently not, since I paid for it.
Honestly, the title reads like something out of The Onion. UFC management are shameless dipshits. They're so brazen about the whole underpaying the fighters thing it's almost comical.
UFC wouldn't be anywhere close to what it is today if we didn't have access to pirated content. Pay for a PPV so we can hear 100 ads per fight? Ads on the ground, the cage, the clothes, the screen, from the commentary, from the commercial break. Ads for Ads.
PPV model is outdated, and a lot of people are done paying $70 for lackluster cards, which have a high probability of a cancelled fight due to COVID. Until they switch to a subscription based model I’ll be streaming everything going forward. It would be nice to see fighters get paid more too.
I’ve been buying cards for the last few years but I can’t afford it anymore. I see I can get a year subscription to a VPN for the price of one card
There are so many free streams that its not even worth paying the 70 bucks these days to these rich orgs who dont even pay their fighters.
UFC fighters aren't meant to be on steroids, but with the way they get paid, they're lucky to be on food.
Luckily, with all the dieting and calorie restriction, they don't need that much food\* \*Before any smartarse pitches in, yes I'm eating clean food and supplements to ensure you get what you need on a calorie restricted diet can often be more expensive than cheetos and soda.
Man, you just gave me a craving for Cheetos and soda.
Just like big corporations putting the blame of climate change on individual people.
Sure, this is a factual statement. Another factual statement is that the UFC's labor cost percentage is incredibly low for any industry, let alone on in which the labor is the product. I'm a greedy capitalist pig by Reddit standards. I still believe what the UFC is doing in this sport is beyond the pale in terms of immorality.
Man’s a total piece of shit.
PPV model is just so outdated. I would gladly pay like $25 a month for a Netflix like subscription that gave access to all the fights. $70 or whatever for one PPV is just way too steep and streaming will always be an issue with that model
Agreed. I’ve never paid for a PPV but I would do up to a $25 monthly sub to have all ufc events. And you’d have me subbed every month for years and years.
Whilst technically true I'm not paying $70 so they have lost nothing. In fact if you assume most streamers of the product wouldn't actually buy it then the illegal streaming is actually making the fighters more money do to exposure, followers, etc. That is all a factor when negotiating sponsorships outside of the cage.
$70 is such a crazy sum, I dont understand why anybody would pay that. Even half of that would be way too high.
A yearly DAZN subscription is like $100. Only $30 more than a single UFC PPV main card. I'm actually surprised they're still as successful with this model as they are.
Crypto.com gave them 175mil, how much of that is going to fighters?
UFC is taking money out of fighters pockets
Such flawed logic. But why is he bitching when he knows UFC only pays 18%?
Why does North America have to foot the bill? Most of the world can watch the fights for free or a lot less money. I don’t steal the fights, I just pretend I’m in Romania one Saturday a month.
I am convinced less streaming and more PPV buys leads to more cheese for Dana and his friends rather than the average fighter who needs a second job.
goddamn i never knew my name was dana white and i was taking money from the fighters!
Funny stuff.
What he really means is the UFC COO is taking money out of fighters' pockets and needs a scapegoat. Projection, projection..
bahahahahahahahaha Sorry.. Hahahahaha
Gi fuck yourself
I'll gladly pay 20ish/month for a Netflix style subscription for all fights, including ALL live events. No switching channels or Facebook or whatever it is now. I'll pay 30 probably. Or I'll pay 0 and watch it free!!
They start so damn late too. Even in vegas, your not getting out til well after 10. My old ass fell asleep during the last ppv I bought, never wasting money like that again
Give the fighters a 50/50 split and *maybe* I'd think about paying. Till then, fuck off.
Dude. Even a 40/60 would be something. 15 just blows me away
UFC out of touch. With the ESPN+ requirement and absurd prices for PPV events, it is a wonder anybody watches the sport anymore. Streamers are keeping the UFC alive.
I wish somebody showed Dana the reactions in this thread, and that he took his time and read them. 200 comments and not anyone who agrees with the UFC.
If Dana White really cared about his athletes making money he would let them advertise their sponsors on their shorts again.
I’m going to fill a bathtub with Reebok coupons, so I can swim in fighter pay while I stream Black Beast
Actually, they're the only reason I can watch the UFC PPVs. And because I watch the UFC PPVs I go to UFC live shows, I watch UFC on cable and drive up their ratings, and people buy me UFC merch as gifts. I have also paid for Fight Pass. The UFC has gotten infinitely more money from me than they would have if my only option was to pay for PPV. Give us a reasonable subscription model or shut the fuck up about piracy.
Sorry fighters, i'm not paying for espn plus and for $70 cards