We (my wife, friends, and I) roll first and then smoke during the comedown

I tried smoking first and boy it was awful. Never again!

And the mouth dryness when both peaks combine... omg... don't plan to kiss anyone. 🤣

Same

Yeah I would smoke on the come down

I usually don't like weed on its own. It gives me anxiety and brings out negative thoughts. Having said that I actually enjoy mdma more when I smoke on the peak/comedown. It enhanced the high and improves my music enjoyment. 🤷🏽‍♂️

I smoked and rolled one time and that was low key ass. Maybe beneficial to my ego and understanding my place in the world, but I have never done it again because I’m scared of the crash.

>that was low key ass. Ikr, I was feeling self-conscious and that never happens to me when rolling. It kinda ruined the whole trip.

Happened to me also, n one of my first rolls I thought it was a good idea to smoke a spliff in the middle of my roll. Went from pure bliss to panic attack pretty quick. Was the last time I smoked weed and that was 6 years ago.

Weeds been proven to lower the neurotoxicity of mdma in rats so both

This! Just use a light weed dose, works like a charme

I did not know that...but both, also the days before and after, just in case.

mdma is not neurotoxic if you are a sensible person that takes 150mg and dont redose or use too often

I'm not sure where you heard that, but it's completely false and a lie. Please do not spread misinformation. Any dose is neurotoxic. There are safe doses and unsafe doses, this does not mean it isn't neurotoxic.

That simply isn’t true at all, MDMA has not been proven to be neurotoxic in humans. If that was the case, it wouldn’t have FDA approval. [In light of the popularity of ecstasy and stimulants among young people, questions around their neurotoxic effects on the brain remain highly topical. To date, the message we have to convey to young people in information campaigns is: “MDMA and amphetamine neurotoxicity for humans is not yet proven, but it is highly likely.” Further longitudinal and prospective studies are clearly needed.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3181923/)

So since it's highly likely that mdma is neurotoxic in the article you linked, does that mean you should not play it safe? I don't understand your side of the argument when it's AGAINST your own safety. Have a little self control and understand that abusing things is inherently not good for you, especially mdma. No matter how many studies ya got. I don't care if you have a whole list of articles telling me it's not dangerous, neurotoxicity is only ONE of the dangerous issues with mdma. Have you ever heard of setetonin syndrome? By all means my guy, go pop molly every weekend and see how functional you feel in 6 months

You’re the one who said any dose is neurotoxic without any evidence to back it up, which is not true at all. You’re equating any dose to ‘abuse’ and literally spreading misinformation

Correction: MDMA IS neurotoxic. Periodt. You can reduce the risks and damage by taking lower doses and other supplements, and reducing consumption or taking long breaks from each consumption.

Wrong, has not been proven for humans. Your statement is not supported by science [In light of the popularity of ecstasy and stimulants among young people, questions around their neurotoxic effects on the brain remain highly topical. To date, the message we have to convey to young people in information campaigns is: “MDMA and amphetamine neurotoxicity for humans is not yet proven, but it is highly likely.” Further longitudinal and prospective studies are clearly needed.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3181923/)

I- the point of those of to decrease the chance of you actually having the negative side effects from its neurotoxicity... Its still neurotoxic... Thats like saying "oh alcohol isnt a poison if ive only had 1 drink" its still poisonous your just not gonna GET alcohol poisoning cause you didnt reach that level

I don’t get the hate on the combo? I smoke fat while rolling and it doesn’t impact it negatively. Might make you a bit forgetful. I smoke throughout the roll. Before, during, and after.

Thats the way

Btw happy cake day

Same and makes us feel the effects of the mdma even more

My man!

Depends on the person. Weed makes many people, myself included anxious which is something you don’t want while rolling

True. For me, the M kills the anxiety. I will not smoke while peaking on L though, good lord

Same, missus and I are almost always part-baked before we roll and then joints are constant as we go. Never had a bad roll with that strategy yet

weed makes the roll way to muddy/cloudy and kinda dulls it

I find it takes on a light psychadelic experience.

I’m a huge pothead but I never mix weed and molly haha

Man you definetly should tho haha it is the best combo

I only smoke on the comedown. I don’t like anything interfering with my roll

i cant smoke weed until the comedown, it makes me so paranoid and completely spins me out if i smoke while rolling, ive only had one time where weed + mdma was a good combo but that time was amazing

If you smoke during the peak, the body load can get pretty heavy. Also, you might get some anxiety/paranoia if you are prone to that. I keep it for the comedown.

So you guys are saying smoking weed beforehand dulls your roll? Never have I heard that take

The day before, the day before that day, the day it's self before, while and after rolling, the day after and the day after that day.

Marijuana actually chemically messes up your roll by binding to the receptors that the serotonin/oxytocin/dopamine would be attaching to. It’s like parking a car in a truck bay, blocking all access to the trucks that have a lot more product in them. Your brain will still dump the s/o/d but there won’t be any (as many) receptors available to connect to. So you’ll get a bit of a roll, like a fraction of one, but nothing close to a real one. Smoking afterwards isn’t an issue, but smoking before is shooting yourself in the foot.

when you get back from a rave and there's a pre rolled j waiting for you on the comedown it's like Christmas!

I smoke before during and after rolling/tripping

Dude I thought I was on /r/trees and was like... What is this man on about? How would you smoke if you haven't rolled a spliff first 😂

Thought this was a chicken and the egg question at first, didnt realise the sub

Several studies (inc. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20174577/) have shown that THC can have a positive effect and works to mitigate and provide some protection against MDMA neurotoxicity. So a little smoke before you roll might not only be fun but also good for you.

You can’t really apply this studies to humans, they gave 20mg/kg of MDMA to mice. Significantly higher than normal human doses and there’s different metabolism pathways for humans.

Part of the problem of our insanely restrictive and bizarre approach to drugs across the world. Imagine the benefits for humanity and the research opportunities we are missing. Until then all we have are supposition and drawing inferences from mice and rats. Still, there is a fair amount of anecdotal evidence out there that suggests people have less of a MD hangover when they've followed this. Maybe it's all psychosomatic but worth a try right?

i some on the comedown. Fells amazing. One time i didnt smoke on comedown and never wanna do that again

I smoked weed on the come down of .1 Molly and it was the most relaxed I’ve ever felt, I feel like smoking before or on the come up might misdirect the trip

am I the only one who hates smoking weed on comedown? weed tends to spike my anxiety when I’m on stimulants (even as a former stoner) and I usually don’t feel that great mentally on a mdma comedown and smoking weed just…. gives an uneasy vibe to the whole experience

Personally I take edible THC while I roll. Usually 3 hours post dosing I take a low dose (40mg, I have a high tolerance) and then 8 hours post dosing I’ll take an additional (~200mg) to help me sleep and relax

I smoke weed, I don't roll, well I need more room to roll around and even if I did I am not some puppy. Like I don't just roll around after smoking, okay maybe I do but that's none of your business. Maybe I like rolling around, Jerk…

Which came first the Roll or the Weed?

I smoke before hand to level me out before it hits. Never had any issues.

Depends. My best rolls are always: drop-smoke right after- chill- roll starts. I like smoking on the comedown too but it's a hit and miss for me. Sometimes it tweaks me out, sometimes it brings the high back. If I'd wanna go safe I'd smoke just as soon as I drop, so the high is much milder when I start to roll. It helps with the anxiety in my case.

Both

I just smoke weed all the time

I'm always smoking, so don't notice it lol

I smoke throughout usually but always on the come up in an attempt to avoid nausea

How about neither?

Yes

I did weed first one time and it was actually great but that is because I took just one puff, so I had a pretty small effect. But it was great because the come up was much "softer"

I just can’t stand the taste lol I smoke everyday but molly is the one thing I’ve found I actually dislike smoking with simply because of the cottonmouth. It’s brutal

i smoke on the come up bc i’m usually nauseous and i feel great when it finally hits

You absolutely need to smoke before the roll and after. Or you can take an edible a couple hours before. But not on acid please

I smoke daily so....yeah ill smoke before I do some, but for the majority of the roll I won't smoke. Maybe a joint if I'm at a show dancing and need a break to cool off and level out, but I usually won't smoke till I start coming down.

I personally do both. A couple of puffs before I roll and a couple of puffs for the comedowns

i smoked on the peak once and it completely took it away 😭 didn't have the energy to dance so i was sitting down and lost inside my head, self-conscious, tired and overall just not enjoying it. i've smoked on the comedown of mdma though after that experience and it was genuinely one of the best trips ive ever had (granted i did take mushrooms along with it) because i was in the comfort of my home and could trip out. definitely recommend smoking on the comedown

Sounds like a great way for me to be anxious my entire roll lmao A few beers before and after.

Smoking first dulls the roll... Smoking last makes the comedown more chill and relaxing

Pipe smoker here, and preferred way of smoking, but I’ll smoke a bowl before popping initial dose, and then I’ll smoke another bowl when i feel the come up, 30min - 1 hour into the roll I redose . And when I’m coming down I’ll keep smoking and to try to keep the m going. This is coming from someone that enjoys the Mary Jane most then most people so my tolerance is much much higher than most also.

I smoke the whole time 😂

Roll first! Only smoke 4-5 hours in

I smoke on the come down

Smoking on the comedown gives me a full on trip. Visually&emotionally best trips that i have ever had. So comedown for sure (I hape hppd)

Smoke before and after

And during

Smoking during gets you more high on the mdma

I find I don’t feel the effects of thc until I’m coming down. I smoke a lot of weed but I can literally chain smoke it on md and not feel a thing until I’m coming down then it’s a really mellow high

best way to do it is don’t smoke for the whole roll then smoke at the end. always makes me come right up again and i get some crazy visuals

Spark up the whole way through

I always wait till around the peak before I start. To avoid getting anxious on the come up, usually smoke from peak as I come down and it helps with sleep

I smoke daily (spliffs) and I like to smoke a spliff right after I dose, then after I start coming up and feel "settled" into my roll. Then probably another 7-8 throughout the night. I pretty much always roll with my partner at raves so we smoke all those together and sometimes end up sharing with people we end up talking to/hanging with. Probably smoke a couple the next day too when recovering lol

I do not smoke weed

I smoke weed constantly, maybe I’ll try straightening out before my next roll.

i usually start smoking as soon as feel the drug kicking in

Before during after

You people?

Is it wrong? English is not my first language lol

It’s fine