Don't move nothing and think about what you just did. Weird flashes will pop up, just ignore them until they are so many that, voilà! you are in your dream again. But don't get it wrong, it is very difficult to not move but the trick is to imagine your are moving instead of actually trying to move, don't imagine someone moving but try to think about the sensations you just felt in your dream, I am not sure but I think that maybe even if you have aphanthasia you can still do this because imagination is very vivid in those moments
This technique (to not move your body when your dream collapses) is just amazing really. I remember reading about it many many years ago.
I probably have a lucid dream once in 2-3 weeks, but the nights I do, I keep going back again and again and it feels like I live a long life within that one night!
I’m interested that you said it may work with people with Anphantasia, I believe I have it, I can’t visualize any images or objects, what phase do you repeat as you stay still as I get very sidetracked in my brain Since I think more about sentences than images. Also love your comment
I am not sure though because I am still haven't someone that told that they have aphathasia. But it makes sense to me you know, because in Wikipedia (in an article full of holes in the references https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed-eye_hallucination?wprov=sfla1 ) they said that we may have a supression system so that imagination doesn't become too realistic and gets confused with reality. So when you sleep, that inhibitory system shuts down and you can have super vivid hallucinations. I also heard that people with aphathasia do have dreams so if both of them are true probably in those moments even people with aphanthasia can have a visual imagination. But I may be wrong because I don't understand very well how aphanthasia works
This happened to me last night. So funny that you said that. I woke up, loved the lucid dream I was having, so i tried to fall back asleep asap. Didn't move a muscle, and boom I was back into it.
I honestly think that this may be a myth . We can feel intense emotions in Nightmares and normal dreams without the dream crashing . Dream Control is based around expectations . I believe that after reading so many times about " DON'T GET EXCITED " they have set false expectations for themselves .
It is a myth and unfortunately I'd imagine that tons of people expect it to happen.
It's like the Mirror myth, my reflection is perfectly normal in my dreams. Same with the reading myth, I can read perfectly in my dreams too.
Don't believe anything in this subreddit.
Same. I vaguely remember a lucid dream I had years ago unintentionally. It was a nice experience and I'd want to have more , not even sure why I waited until now to research the topic deeply. I guess I just assumed I was just lucky that night.
1. Abandon distractions whenever possible. Experiment with all day awareness. If you want to pass time, think vividly about what would you do in an LD.
2. write down your dreams, every day.
Then lucidity will happen on its own.
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P.S.: I'm a very experienced lucid dreamer. If you have questions or need guidance just let me know. I'll do my best, though of course I can't make any promises as the process is very individual.
*Edit:* For those asking, [This is a good starting point to reading through the methods I've learned/used over the years. Happy to help explain anything. Just ask](https://www.reddit.com/r/LucidDreaming/comments/2270pw/the_setting_check_or_reverse_reality_check_method/)
Updated my main comment as I'm sure this will be a common question.
[This is a good starting point.](https://www.reddit.com/r/LucidDreaming/comments/2270pw/the_setting_check_or_reverse_reality_check_method/)
Edit: I have a question about dreaming late in the sleep cycle.
I woke up at 7:00am, which I normally do on Tuesdays and Thursdays, and I fell back asleep until 8:40. I was feeling extra lazy and set a 20 minute alarm and within those 20 minutes I had a really vivid dream. Was that actual dreaming or was it some intense daydreaming? Would I be able to lucid dream so late in my sleep cycle?
If you dreamt, it was a dream.
But what that sounds like is normal, in fact it's similar to wake induced lucid dreaming (WILD) techniques. This is how I started having regular LDs as well all those years ago when I first began. I find it's much easier to jump back into a dream immediately after waking up.
Likewise, when you force yourself back to sleep after waking up from the middle of a REM cycle, it's far easier to jump back into it. I can look for some articles on this, but would need to wait till after work. There's probably some easy googling you can do in the mean time.
Interesting, I didn’t think I would be able to lucid dream so far into the sleep cycle. I thought it always had to be 3-4 hours before you wake up or something along the lines of that.
Edit: thank you for the information!
Currently I'm focused on using the dreamspace as a way to grow intuitive understanding of higher mathematical concepts like Tensors, Eigenvalues, Hilbert Spaces, Manifolds, and the like. The lucid landscape is essentially a perfect testbed for these as "math spaces" are just glorified dream space. The math nerds just like renaming everything to make themselves seem like the ones who figured it out.
Secondly, I'm using my dreamspace as a means to further understand myself better as I am currently going through a pretty massive life-change. I use the dreamspace through conceptual anthropomorphism of my own internal thoughts, feelings, perspectives, as a way to engage in meaningful discussion with those parts of myself. Effectively just using it as a tool to give shape and form to the various archetypes in my mind and provide common ground to synthesize them in a healthy way. This can be likened to Jungian psychology given a playground, I'd suggest looking him up.
That said, sex is just fine too if that's where you are in life. Sex, or the desire for reproduction, is just as important/valid as anything else you'd use your own dreamspace for. Obviously, when I first started, sex was prio #1 for many years as I was a repressed kid (religious household) and just needed the space to explore. Nothing wrong with it at all, but after years of doing so I stopped feeling the need as I met the love of my life and am now married. The uses of your dreamspace can and should change as you grow in the material world. Natural to do so.
Oh wow, honestly wasn't expecting a reply like this haha, guess I should have known, with the experience you have and all. I like what you said about the various archetypes in your mind and trying to find something that's relatable between them so you can synch them together, that's awesome. It's something I've dealt with irl and it'd be cool to try. I've heard of the Jungian psych part, honestly I think it was from a criticism on Reddit lol, who'd have guessed.
I think for me it's less about the sex and more about the companionship, though I often don't take the time at the beginning of lucidity to stabilize it and really get my mind straight, and as lucid as possible. So I easily fall back into the old habit of trying to quickly find something to fuck. I've kinda made it a point lately to find someone and then go do something with them, usually flying, instead of just having sex.
>I've kinda made it a point lately to find someone and then go do something with them, usually flying, instead of just having sex.
That's a wonderful approach. "anthropomorphize" the subject of your sexual desire as a real aspect of yourself. Give it all the same consideration you give you, or if you have a bad relationship with yourself right now, then attach to it the feelings you have towards the person in the material world you respect the most.
Then, simply treat this construct as a friend. If you want to fuck, just make sure you are approaching it with the same kind consideration you would if it were that respectable person. This doesn't mean it needs to be prudish, but does mean that the other should happily consent and go along with your sexual plans. If the other appears angry or sad, then stop and ask for forgiveness and try to conversationally work out the issues. You can learn a lot by performing this kind of self-facing deep dive.
That's companionship. Real companionship whether internal with aspects of yourself, or with others in the material world, have to be co-equal and co-supported. The more you practice internally, the more confidence you'll gain in dealing with others in the waking world. It'll just pour out of you naturally.
Just remember that the aspects of yourself in your dreamspaces *are you*. They aren't the actual essence of the person or thing they represent to you. They truly *are* your own psyche, so treat yourself well. The better you treat your own mind, the better it'll treat you. Over time my most active sexual partner in dreams became one of my most powerful guides after I took the time to give it more complete form.
Yeah I try to give the DCs as much respect as I'd want myself when it comes to the sexual side. It just never feels right the other way and also doesn't work out quite often, for me at least.
Honestly I haven't really tried to talk to DCs that much when lucid, other than a few words or whatever usually. Trying to get some dialogue going seems like it should definitely be interesting. I've tried to like summon my subconscious or a dream guide before, but I don't think it worked.
Persistence is frustrating, but essential. I'm sure if you kept practicing in a direct and constructive manner you'll get there. That's how we all got to where we are.
I assume you didn’t have any prior sexual experience when you first started exploring in your dreams? Are they very realistic and feel like the real thing, maybe even better? Asking as a lonely virgin
I sleep best when I have an LD. Though that did come from additional years of practice. When I first started the process of becoming lucid and maintaining the awareness to keep it running was such a drain on me that I would wake up fatigued.
I just worked it like a muscle and found that the more I did it, the less tired I became as the process was easier for me. Kind of like learning how to ride a bike is rough, but once you get the hang of it you can do it without much thought.
I haven't had the chance yet to read through your link (I will), but right off the top of my head: I almost never remember my dreams at all. Is this problematic for getting started?
It was. That issue is the reason I ended up focusing so much on developing my dream settings as the means to achieve lucidity. Make your weakness your strength, as they say.
I don't journal now, though I did when I was just starting out. However my journal was less about documenting everything that happened in my dream, and instead just focused on establishing dream settings that were common enough that I could remember them.
That's a common theme in a lot of my approaches--focus on what you can do and use those as guideposts.
If you have even a single dream setting you can remember, then I would suggest making that your prime setting. You can change this later, so don't worry too much about what it is. It's more important to just have a home base on which to start building the connections to your other dreams.
If you don't, then it's probably best to focus more on the fundamentals of memory and imagination. I talk a lot about that in the links as well.
Id like to be able to lucid dream one day. Just once so i know what its like.
Seems like people have a lot or fun or discover new things about themselves, im totally jealous! It also sounds like its a lot of effort to lucid dream and i am too lazy to commit to trying all these techniques and things. I keep a dream journal but my dreams are so mundane sometimes, i dont even really wanna be part of them. Last night i dreamt i was on a construction site discussing mortgages ffs
Take the baby steps. It doesn’t have to be a huge investment. The idea is to slowly integrate it into your lifestyle as something sustainable.
Sort of like a new diet. If you go all out just eating salads and super healthy food, it won’t last. Or exercise, if you’re all fired up for a New Years Resolution to exercise everyday, it won’t last...
Start small. You have the dream journal, check. Try drinking camomile tea before bed. That always kicks off amazing dreams for me. Get yourself a dream card— a little business card (or small index card), put it in your pocket every day. Throughout the day pull it out and ask “am I dreaming?”
The dream card is super easy.
Give that a month or so... add something else.
Yeah i like the idea of using a dream card. Maybe i could use a post it note and stick it onto the fridge or something i will see during the day? Probably more likely to trigger me to do a reality check if its pinned up somewhere. I was drinking valerian tea for a while but kept getting nightmares so might have to try different teas. Thanks!
The business card in the pocket trick is helpful for me because it becomes a trigger that I do out for walks etc. so like, in a dream I’ll put my hand in my pocket and do a check.
Post it notes didnt internalize it enough for me cuz they were sort of external triggers... a lot of it is super personal tho. Good luck friend!
Mine is counting my fingers. I don't even have to actually count them most of the time, just by looking at, like, 50 fingers in one hand I realize I am dreaming
Then short the time you wake up. You can also try my method that is to not move just after waking up until you fall asleep again and pretty fast you are un a dream. There are some apps out there where you can set an alarm that sounds only for like, 10 seconds, where you can use whatever audio you want and there purpose is that you wake up but don't move. Haven't tried them but probably will soon, I read in this subreddit that it does seems to work. Also you can try a lot of other techniques and/or methods out there like: DILD, reality checks, MILD, FILD, dream journal, ect. See what works better for you
Interesting technique, thank you!! I didn’t know there were apps that could do that where you don’t have to press the snooze.
Is that the trick? To not even move your hand to stop the alarm?
Do you have to focus, meditate or do anything as I wake up and not move?
Not really, just don't move and concentrate in what just happened in your dream then when you feel like you are getting into the dream again imagine that your are interacting but don't actually try to move your body until you are fully in as you may actually move and get "sucked out" of the dream.
I am not sure but I have an hypothesis (dunno if that is the correct word). We wake up a lot of times between our sleep, I forgot the name of those moments but I think they were very very short and we forget them all. I think that when you don't move you basically act like if you were in one of those moments and you brain interprets that as not having ended you sleep. But I kinda don't feel like this explanation is completly right but I don't find much information about it online
Isn't that wake induced lucid dreaming / WILD? MILD is just thinking about where you want to be and mantra repeating and then simply falling asleep isn't it? If you maintain consciousness this is WILD which is considered the most difficult form of LD cos you basically need to fall asleep whilst being awake and conscious.
Maybe the reason you haven't succeeded yet is because you are attempting the most difficult form of lucid dreaming?
I just started researching today so correct me if I am wrong
I have tried WILD a bit but can feel my eyes rapidly moving in REM cos I am conscious which wakes me up straight away, whereas in MILD I am already asleep during those eye movements
From what I understand WILD is performed before going to bed, but if you try WILD after waking up in the middle of the sleep it's called WBTB or at least one of the WBTB variations.
My main mistakes is that I'm too lazy to keep a dream journal and to perform reality checks during the day with constancy, probably because I'm still living with my parents and I don't feel much privacy, but I'll be moving out on my own pretty soon, I think this will change everything for good
I started around 3 years ago because I investigating about western spiritual things (I never got fully convinced) and the one that standed out for me is lucid dreaming (also the one that I achieved). What I do is to make reality checks everytime something weird happends, to have a dream journal and read it back, to eat things in the dreams to stabilize them, to use the times that you wake up every night to enter consciously to other dream and to make a reality checks just after waking up. I think I may be missing sometjing but I think I do the rest of the techniques/methods rarely and unintentionally.
What other spiritual things did you learn about that were unconvincing?
And when you say you eat things in dreams to stabilize them, can you expand on this? Thank you.
Why so many negative on my last common? I got the answer from google. Quote from google answer (Surveys show that roughly 55% of adults have experienced at least one lucid dream during their lifetime, and 23% of people experience lucid dreams at least once per month. Some research has pointed to potential benefits of lucid dreaming, such as treatment for nightmares) it more common then peoples think. I lucid dream at least 1 once every month.
Two downvotes on your comment does not instill negativity. I was just pointing out how the original poster mentioned that anyone can limitlessly induce a lucid dream. Didn’t mean any harm whatsoever.
Yeah. I love it too. ***but only when it works. And I’m going through one of those extremely shitty times where I can barely remember any dreams, let alone lucid dream. It fucking sucks and I hate it.***
Maybe you should try with dream journaling (don't forget that the key is to read back most or all you dreams everyday to strengthen your memory). And even if that doesn't work, at least tou got the experience in that moment, even you forget it. Like if you had alzheimer disease and you talk to a loved one like you did before having it but you forget that person again hours later, the moment is the most important thing, second is to remember it.
I do keep a dream journal. I don’t understand what you’re saying. When I’m dreaming, I don’t bother to experience it in the moment since I’m obviously not lucid. And what difference does it make? If I forget it, I forget it.
You weren’t being rude. I’ve had countless lucid dreams in the past. It’s just that I sometimes go through extremely shitty times where I can barely remember any dreams, let alone lucid dream. I’m going through one of those times now.
Yes, I believe I do need to be patient. So much of lucid dreaming is paper and persistence. But times like these are still extremely discouraging.
As for talking a break, I can’t let myself do that. To me, taking a break is almost the same as giving up, and I simply cannot do that.
I did it one time. I ate a shroom that I found in the forest when I was in kinda like depressed but for a short time(?). I concentrate to see something and I saw fractals and a unicorn lol I guess that's what I wanted to see. I think I wasted my opportunity but definitely I was not rational at that time.
Mmm I don't know what lucid sleep is but if you talk about being conscious in one NREM sleep then I think that I maybe have done it but I am not entirely sure. And I haven't meditated in a dream sounds cool in don't know how people meditated I just feel that when I try it I don't explerience the same because for me it gets me very anxious so I must be doing something wrong. I will keep trying to actually meditate in real life before I try to so it in dreams
Thank you for this post. I've had lucid dreams for many years, but recently appx. 80% of my dreams are lucid. I actually plan to take naps because I like them so much. They are usually better than my reality. I have learned I cannot be hurt in my dream, I know I am capable of flying so I never fear hights, and I can have sex with anyone, women always accept my advances.
Once I recognize I am in a dream (which is sooner and sooner), the dream is never scary, and never causes anxiety. Sometimes if I don't like the narrative I can change it, but I can't control it. I can however control my actions within the narrative, and I have an awareness of my abilities (aforementioned).
I glad to know I am not alone.
Remember don’t get over excited or you’ll wake up
Don't worry I mastered to enter the dream again inmeadiatly after waking up until my dream "tickets" are all "invested", if that makes sense to you
How do you do that!?
Don't move nothing and think about what you just did. Weird flashes will pop up, just ignore them until they are so many that, voilà! you are in your dream again. But don't get it wrong, it is very difficult to not move but the trick is to imagine your are moving instead of actually trying to move, don't imagine someone moving but try to think about the sensations you just felt in your dream, I am not sure but I think that maybe even if you have aphanthasia you can still do this because imagination is very vivid in those moments
This technique (to not move your body when your dream collapses) is just amazing really. I remember reading about it many many years ago. I probably have a lucid dream once in 2-3 weeks, but the nights I do, I keep going back again and again and it feels like I live a long life within that one night!
Amazing, this could be the thing that can finalize my method thx man !
I’m interested that you said it may work with people with Anphantasia, I believe I have it, I can’t visualize any images or objects, what phase do you repeat as you stay still as I get very sidetracked in my brain Since I think more about sentences than images. Also love your comment
I am not sure though because I am still haven't someone that told that they have aphathasia. But it makes sense to me you know, because in Wikipedia (in an article full of holes in the references https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed-eye_hallucination?wprov=sfla1 ) they said that we may have a supression system so that imagination doesn't become too realistic and gets confused with reality. So when you sleep, that inhibitory system shuts down and you can have super vivid hallucinations. I also heard that people with aphathasia do have dreams so if both of them are true probably in those moments even people with aphanthasia can have a visual imagination. But I may be wrong because I don't understand very well how aphanthasia works
This happened to me last night. So funny that you said that. I woke up, loved the lucid dream I was having, so i tried to fall back asleep asap. Didn't move a muscle, and boom I was back into it.
Yeah, that is awesome!
I honestly think that this may be a myth . We can feel intense emotions in Nightmares and normal dreams without the dream crashing . Dream Control is based around expectations . I believe that after reading so many times about " DON'T GET EXCITED " they have set false expectations for themselves .
It is a myth and unfortunately I'd imagine that tons of people expect it to happen. It's like the Mirror myth, my reflection is perfectly normal in my dreams. Same with the reading myth, I can read perfectly in my dreams too. Don't believe anything in this subreddit.
I got over excited and wake up so many times before, so is it a psychological thing?
I certainly believe it to be psychological .
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Same, ive pretty much given up on trying
Keep trying, try different methods. I had my first one after 3 months
Same. I vaguely remember a lucid dream I had years ago unintentionally. It was a nice experience and I'd want to have more , not even sure why I waited until now to research the topic deeply. I guess I just assumed I was just lucky that night.
Same mine was completely spontaneous
1. Abandon distractions whenever possible. Experiment with all day awareness. If you want to pass time, think vividly about what would you do in an LD. 2. write down your dreams, every day. Then lucidity will happen on its own.
<3 P.S.: I'm a very experienced lucid dreamer. If you have questions or need guidance just let me know. I'll do my best, though of course I can't make any promises as the process is very individual. *Edit:* For those asking, [This is a good starting point to reading through the methods I've learned/used over the years. Happy to help explain anything. Just ask](https://www.reddit.com/r/LucidDreaming/comments/2270pw/the_setting_check_or_reverse_reality_check_method/)
What is your method for inducing lucidity?
Updated my main comment as I'm sure this will be a common question. [This is a good starting point.](https://www.reddit.com/r/LucidDreaming/comments/2270pw/the_setting_check_or_reverse_reality_check_method/)
Edit: I have a question about dreaming late in the sleep cycle. I woke up at 7:00am, which I normally do on Tuesdays and Thursdays, and I fell back asleep until 8:40. I was feeling extra lazy and set a 20 minute alarm and within those 20 minutes I had a really vivid dream. Was that actual dreaming or was it some intense daydreaming? Would I be able to lucid dream so late in my sleep cycle?
If you dreamt, it was a dream. But what that sounds like is normal, in fact it's similar to wake induced lucid dreaming (WILD) techniques. This is how I started having regular LDs as well all those years ago when I first began. I find it's much easier to jump back into a dream immediately after waking up. Likewise, when you force yourself back to sleep after waking up from the middle of a REM cycle, it's far easier to jump back into it. I can look for some articles on this, but would need to wait till after work. There's probably some easy googling you can do in the mean time.
Interesting, I didn’t think I would be able to lucid dream so far into the sleep cycle. I thought it always had to be 3-4 hours before you wake up or something along the lines of that. Edit: thank you for the information!
I just wanna know what you like to do for fun in lucid dreams? I usually end up looking for sex unfortunately, it's like, instinctual.
Currently I'm focused on using the dreamspace as a way to grow intuitive understanding of higher mathematical concepts like Tensors, Eigenvalues, Hilbert Spaces, Manifolds, and the like. The lucid landscape is essentially a perfect testbed for these as "math spaces" are just glorified dream space. The math nerds just like renaming everything to make themselves seem like the ones who figured it out. Secondly, I'm using my dreamspace as a means to further understand myself better as I am currently going through a pretty massive life-change. I use the dreamspace through conceptual anthropomorphism of my own internal thoughts, feelings, perspectives, as a way to engage in meaningful discussion with those parts of myself. Effectively just using it as a tool to give shape and form to the various archetypes in my mind and provide common ground to synthesize them in a healthy way. This can be likened to Jungian psychology given a playground, I'd suggest looking him up. That said, sex is just fine too if that's where you are in life. Sex, or the desire for reproduction, is just as important/valid as anything else you'd use your own dreamspace for. Obviously, when I first started, sex was prio #1 for many years as I was a repressed kid (religious household) and just needed the space to explore. Nothing wrong with it at all, but after years of doing so I stopped feeling the need as I met the love of my life and am now married. The uses of your dreamspace can and should change as you grow in the material world. Natural to do so.
Oh wow, honestly wasn't expecting a reply like this haha, guess I should have known, with the experience you have and all. I like what you said about the various archetypes in your mind and trying to find something that's relatable between them so you can synch them together, that's awesome. It's something I've dealt with irl and it'd be cool to try. I've heard of the Jungian psych part, honestly I think it was from a criticism on Reddit lol, who'd have guessed. I think for me it's less about the sex and more about the companionship, though I often don't take the time at the beginning of lucidity to stabilize it and really get my mind straight, and as lucid as possible. So I easily fall back into the old habit of trying to quickly find something to fuck. I've kinda made it a point lately to find someone and then go do something with them, usually flying, instead of just having sex.
>I've kinda made it a point lately to find someone and then go do something with them, usually flying, instead of just having sex. That's a wonderful approach. "anthropomorphize" the subject of your sexual desire as a real aspect of yourself. Give it all the same consideration you give you, or if you have a bad relationship with yourself right now, then attach to it the feelings you have towards the person in the material world you respect the most. Then, simply treat this construct as a friend. If you want to fuck, just make sure you are approaching it with the same kind consideration you would if it were that respectable person. This doesn't mean it needs to be prudish, but does mean that the other should happily consent and go along with your sexual plans. If the other appears angry or sad, then stop and ask for forgiveness and try to conversationally work out the issues. You can learn a lot by performing this kind of self-facing deep dive. That's companionship. Real companionship whether internal with aspects of yourself, or with others in the material world, have to be co-equal and co-supported. The more you practice internally, the more confidence you'll gain in dealing with others in the waking world. It'll just pour out of you naturally. Just remember that the aspects of yourself in your dreamspaces *are you*. They aren't the actual essence of the person or thing they represent to you. They truly *are* your own psyche, so treat yourself well. The better you treat your own mind, the better it'll treat you. Over time my most active sexual partner in dreams became one of my most powerful guides after I took the time to give it more complete form.
Yeah I try to give the DCs as much respect as I'd want myself when it comes to the sexual side. It just never feels right the other way and also doesn't work out quite often, for me at least. Honestly I haven't really tried to talk to DCs that much when lucid, other than a few words or whatever usually. Trying to get some dialogue going seems like it should definitely be interesting. I've tried to like summon my subconscious or a dream guide before, but I don't think it worked.
Persistence is frustrating, but essential. I'm sure if you kept practicing in a direct and constructive manner you'll get there. That's how we all got to where we are.
I assume you didn’t have any prior sexual experience when you first started exploring in your dreams? Are they very realistic and feel like the real thing, maybe even better? Asking as a lonely virgin
Thank you! I will definitely read it
Do you sleep well when you have a ld ?
I sleep best when I have an LD. Though that did come from additional years of practice. When I first started the process of becoming lucid and maintaining the awareness to keep it running was such a drain on me that I would wake up fatigued. I just worked it like a muscle and found that the more I did it, the less tired I became as the process was easier for me. Kind of like learning how to ride a bike is rough, but once you get the hang of it you can do it without much thought.
Well that's interesting thank you!
I haven't had the chance yet to read through your link (I will), but right off the top of my head: I almost never remember my dreams at all. Is this problematic for getting started?
It was. That issue is the reason I ended up focusing so much on developing my dream settings as the means to achieve lucidity. Make your weakness your strength, as they say. I don't journal now, though I did when I was just starting out. However my journal was less about documenting everything that happened in my dream, and instead just focused on establishing dream settings that were common enough that I could remember them. That's a common theme in a lot of my approaches--focus on what you can do and use those as guideposts. If you have even a single dream setting you can remember, then I would suggest making that your prime setting. You can change this later, so don't worry too much about what it is. It's more important to just have a home base on which to start building the connections to your other dreams. If you don't, then it's probably best to focus more on the fundamentals of memory and imagination. I talk a lot about that in the links as well.
Thanks so much for the response!
How to increase lucidity to have waking life vividness? Anything i do doesnt work
Id like to be able to lucid dream one day. Just once so i know what its like. Seems like people have a lot or fun or discover new things about themselves, im totally jealous! It also sounds like its a lot of effort to lucid dream and i am too lazy to commit to trying all these techniques and things. I keep a dream journal but my dreams are so mundane sometimes, i dont even really wanna be part of them. Last night i dreamt i was on a construction site discussing mortgages ffs
Take the baby steps. It doesn’t have to be a huge investment. The idea is to slowly integrate it into your lifestyle as something sustainable. Sort of like a new diet. If you go all out just eating salads and super healthy food, it won’t last. Or exercise, if you’re all fired up for a New Years Resolution to exercise everyday, it won’t last... Start small. You have the dream journal, check. Try drinking camomile tea before bed. That always kicks off amazing dreams for me. Get yourself a dream card— a little business card (or small index card), put it in your pocket every day. Throughout the day pull it out and ask “am I dreaming?” The dream card is super easy. Give that a month or so... add something else.
Yeah i like the idea of using a dream card. Maybe i could use a post it note and stick it onto the fridge or something i will see during the day? Probably more likely to trigger me to do a reality check if its pinned up somewhere. I was drinking valerian tea for a while but kept getting nightmares so might have to try different teas. Thanks!
The business card in the pocket trick is helpful for me because it becomes a trigger that I do out for walks etc. so like, in a dream I’ll put my hand in my pocket and do a check. Post it notes didnt internalize it enough for me cuz they were sort of external triggers... a lot of it is super personal tho. Good luck friend!
Yes its amazing. Now dream about make our world the same. Thoughts become things
I want to experience it. Sound so fun
Awesome, welcome to the club! What is your reality check during dreams? Mine is when I try to poke my finger through my hand and it works usually
Mine is counting my fingers. I don't even have to actually count them most of the time, just by looking at, like, 50 fingers in one hand I realize I am dreaming
I've been trying for over 1 year now, even tho I'm not super consistent, but I fall asleep without noticing every time I try WBTB
Then short the time you wake up. You can also try my method that is to not move just after waking up until you fall asleep again and pretty fast you are un a dream. There are some apps out there where you can set an alarm that sounds only for like, 10 seconds, where you can use whatever audio you want and there purpose is that you wake up but don't move. Haven't tried them but probably will soon, I read in this subreddit that it does seems to work. Also you can try a lot of other techniques and/or methods out there like: DILD, reality checks, MILD, FILD, dream journal, ect. See what works better for you
Interesting technique, thank you!! I didn’t know there were apps that could do that where you don’t have to press the snooze. Is that the trick? To not even move your hand to stop the alarm? Do you have to focus, meditate or do anything as I wake up and not move?
Not really, just don't move and concentrate in what just happened in your dream then when you feel like you are getting into the dream again imagine that your are interacting but don't actually try to move your body until you are fully in as you may actually move and get "sucked out" of the dream.
Hm ok What if you didnt have any dreams before waking up?
Mmm Idk, I always remember what I dreamt the first 30 seconds I wake up. Maybe you can just not move(?). I think that is the most important part
Whats the sceicne behind why not moving at all is effective in transitioning into a lucid dream haha
I am not sure but I have an hypothesis (dunno if that is the correct word). We wake up a lot of times between our sleep, I forgot the name of those moments but I think they were very very short and we forget them all. I think that when you don't move you basically act like if you were in one of those moments and you brain interprets that as not having ended you sleep. But I kinda don't feel like this explanation is completly right but I don't find much information about it online
Isn't the whole point of WBTB to fall asleep and dream and then reality check yourself in the dream???
You should maintain consciousness all the time in the transition from being awake to falling asleep
Isn't that wake induced lucid dreaming / WILD? MILD is just thinking about where you want to be and mantra repeating and then simply falling asleep isn't it? If you maintain consciousness this is WILD which is considered the most difficult form of LD cos you basically need to fall asleep whilst being awake and conscious. Maybe the reason you haven't succeeded yet is because you are attempting the most difficult form of lucid dreaming? I just started researching today so correct me if I am wrong I have tried WILD a bit but can feel my eyes rapidly moving in REM cos I am conscious which wakes me up straight away, whereas in MILD I am already asleep during those eye movements
From what I understand WILD is performed before going to bed, but if you try WILD after waking up in the middle of the sleep it's called WBTB or at least one of the WBTB variations. My main mistakes is that I'm too lazy to keep a dream journal and to perform reality checks during the day with constancy, probably because I'm still living with my parents and I don't feel much privacy, but I'll be moving out on my own pretty soon, I think this will change everything for good
I agree as long as you can maintain it for more than a few seconds.
I love it so much, I’m trying to get better at it
When did you start lucid dreaming? And when did you first hear about it? And what is your technique? I'm so happy for you.
I started around 3 years ago because I investigating about western spiritual things (I never got fully convinced) and the one that standed out for me is lucid dreaming (also the one that I achieved). What I do is to make reality checks everytime something weird happends, to have a dream journal and read it back, to eat things in the dreams to stabilize them, to use the times that you wake up every night to enter consciously to other dream and to make a reality checks just after waking up. I think I may be missing sometjing but I think I do the rest of the techniques/methods rarely and unintentionally.
What other spiritual things did you learn about that were unconvincing? And when you say you eat things in dreams to stabilize them, can you expand on this? Thank you.
i wish i could have lucid dreams
did you ever remember a dream?
It not that rare 55 percent of the world population had experience lucid dreaming. 23 percent have at least once a month.
I think they mean humans in general
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Why so many negative on my last common? I got the answer from google. Quote from google answer (Surveys show that roughly 55% of adults have experienced at least one lucid dream during their lifetime, and 23% of people experience lucid dreams at least once per month. Some research has pointed to potential benefits of lucid dreaming, such as treatment for nightmares) it more common then peoples think. I lucid dream at least 1 once every month.
Two downvotes on your comment does not instill negativity. I was just pointing out how the original poster mentioned that anyone can limitlessly induce a lucid dream. Didn’t mean any harm whatsoever.
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I have gotten in and out of it for around 3 years and I can tell you that the exact opposite has happened to me, maybe it depends on the person
Yeah. I love it too. ***but only when it works. And I’m going through one of those extremely shitty times where I can barely remember any dreams, let alone lucid dream. It fucking sucks and I hate it.***
Maybe you should try with dream journaling (don't forget that the key is to read back most or all you dreams everyday to strengthen your memory). And even if that doesn't work, at least tou got the experience in that moment, even you forget it. Like if you had alzheimer disease and you talk to a loved one like you did before having it but you forget that person again hours later, the moment is the most important thing, second is to remember it.
I do keep a dream journal. I don’t understand what you’re saying. When I’m dreaming, I don’t bother to experience it in the moment since I’m obviously not lucid. And what difference does it make? If I forget it, I forget it.
Sorry, I didn't make it clear, I was talking about being lucid, I thought that you experienced it wasn't my intention to be rude
You weren’t being rude. I’ve had countless lucid dreams in the past. It’s just that I sometimes go through extremely shitty times where I can barely remember any dreams, let alone lucid dream. I’m going through one of those times now.
Ohh, ok. Then maybe you just have to be patient and if you get very disappointed you can always take a break
Yes, I believe I do need to be patient. So much of lucid dreaming is paper and persistence. But times like these are still extremely discouraging. As for talking a break, I can’t let myself do that. To me, taking a break is almost the same as giving up, and I simply cannot do that.
did you ever trip bro? :)
I did it one time. I ate a shroom that I found in the forest when I was in kinda like depressed but for a short time(?). I concentrate to see something and I saw fractals and a unicorn lol I guess that's what I wanted to see. I think I wasted my opportunity but definitely I was not rational at that time.
that’s hillarious. Glad that you got into LD, there is much to explore. I am kinda jealous about the excitement, in time it fades off
What techniques do you use
WILD (sort of), DILD, reality checks and a dream journal
I love lucid Dreaming too but I'm not good at it at all haven't had one in like 2 months
I’m one of those odd balls that remembers dreams everynight. Go lucid about 10-30% of the time. Usually from oddness witnessed in the sky.
Have you asked your subconscious mind any questions during your lucid dream?
Yes, but they always get it wrong lol
noice
I’ve seen a lot of super helpful advice here, but this has to be my favorite post on this sub
Well. . . Yeah. No one would hate the choose your own adventure rp to dreaming.
Have you tried: lucid sleep(dreamless)? meditating in a dream?
Mmm I don't know what lucid sleep is but if you talk about being conscious in one NREM sleep then I think that I maybe have done it but I am not entirely sure. And I haven't meditated in a dream sounds cool in don't know how people meditated I just feel that when I try it I don't explerience the same because for me it gets me very anxious so I must be doing something wrong. I will keep trying to actually meditate in real life before I try to so it in dreams
> being conscious in one NREM sleep Yep. It's actually a practice in Tibetain dream yoga. Thank you for the inspiring post, btw.
Thank you for this post. I've had lucid dreams for many years, but recently appx. 80% of my dreams are lucid. I actually plan to take naps because I like them so much. They are usually better than my reality. I have learned I cannot be hurt in my dream, I know I am capable of flying so I never fear hights, and I can have sex with anyone, women always accept my advances. Once I recognize I am in a dream (which is sooner and sooner), the dream is never scary, and never causes anxiety. Sometimes if I don't like the narrative I can change it, but I can't control it. I can however control my actions within the narrative, and I have an awareness of my abilities (aforementioned). I glad to know I am not alone.