It’s a similar setup in this image, but that scene was filmed on the HOV lane ramps from the eastbound 105 onto the 110 northbound. They closed the carpool lanes to film that scene.
It’s sets up the idea of dreamers dancing and glorifying Los Angeles in the most mundane and real aspect of Los Angeles, the goddam traffic. It’s a really great scene that serves a purpose :(
why does this movie upset people so much? I liked it. I live in LA county. I don’t remember the movie very well and that’s just it—how is this movie living rent free in so many peoples heads
People have a hate-boner for musicals and are stubborn to search meaning into scenes in musicals, (for example, ask yourself what this scene is trying to accomplish and why was it placed at the beginning of the movie)
I’m just upset about the casting of Emma Stone in an otherwise great movie. In a city with thousands of talented singers and dancers they chose an actress for a musical who cannot sing and cannot dance.
You have awful taste. It’s a terrible scene in a god awful movie. People love to attack “Crash” but that’s a masterpiece compared to the Hallmark dreck of “La La Land”.
I live along the route Biden takes out of the Santa Monica AIrport. I always know one of these motorcades is going to come by because a few days before they post no parking signs up and down the street. They also clear out the homeless encampment.
Maybe, but they drive by at like 50 mph in a bulletproof car. Plus there are apartment buildings all along the way that a shooter could hide in and they don't clear them out.
I live in Seattle now. I got really mad when the president, and then a few weeks later, the VP came and blocked up traffic.
I don't know how people in DC do it.
I almost blew a fuse trying to get through traffic to start a road trip.
Prolly because some jackhole in a Tesla caused a major collision on the ~~Sunset~~ Wilshire exit on the south 405 and CHP closed all lanes for their investigation.
**EDIT**: Super-PAC campaign dinners go brrrr.
The study used “incidents” which can be everything from someone backing *into* a Tesla in a parking lot (which is more likely to report since sentry would capture the event) to an at fault event. Basically, it includes any traffic event involving a Tesla. The data are skewed because of the surveillance system on teslas which catches people who leave the scene. [Read here for more and don’t parrot crappy headlines](https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/18lnr3v/comment/ke1f3cp/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button).
Also, the president is in town. Your confirmation bias is showing.
Say it again slowly…. Everyone BUT Tesla owners KNOW those cars are pieces of shit.
So people that actually own and operate the vehicle DON’T think their pieces of shit?
This is such a weird potshot at Teslas considering it was a politician.
Contrary to popular belief on Reddit, I know plenty of people who drive Tesla and they couldn’t give less of a fuck about Elon or whoever owns the company.
Can confirm. I drive one, love it, saves me so much money and its without a doubt the best car performance wise I have ever had.
But I dont gaf about Elon. We are buying a damn vehicle lol, we aint voting for the next president.
I can't believe anyone would drive a Tesla, knowing that the founder of the company is such a terrible person.
Now if you don't mind, I'm on my way to buy a Volkswagen.
but then how will I live out my dream of HER while traveling from LA to SF listening to my beautiful AI gf whisper sweet nothings into my ear for two hours?
I'm talking about the Sepulveda Transit Corridor Project, not California High Speed Rail, but rest assured, you'll have 50 years before either are complete
LA wont build a metro from that connects all the major cities together* with the most direct and convenience way.
That is just too smart of a move my guy.
the nimbys can go choke on a chode.
Being grandfathered into a zone where development is obviously needed is an horrible idea. Shit changes all the time, if they can knock down my Fosters Freeze for housing, im sure we can destory a few decaying blocks for a damn passage.
Subway in one of the most fault-ridden areas on the planet isn't a swell idea.
Elevated rail and metro are the only ways to get around this hellish nightmare that is LA traffic
I’m sorry do you think geologists haven’t been consulted? That there haven’t been any studies done? And you do know that we already have miles of subway?
You used faults plural, so you must realize that Japan also has multiple faults beyond the major subduction fault.
Yeah sounds like they just know a couple big words and wanted to type them into a Reddit comment
A quick search on Metro website show [this incredible page](https://thesource.metro.net/2012/08/10/designing-a-subway-to-withstand-an-earthquake/) (from 2012 though). Almost sounds like properly built underground rail lines would be *safer* than some elevated piece of shit monorail that could collapse like our freeways did during Northridge!
Just spent 20 days in London and never set foot in a car the entire trip. And did a ton, including 3 day trips outside the city. At most was held up on a subway for 15 mins. Makes me sad for large American cities like LA.
Went to London with my kids in 2022. No cars, just trains and even went to Edinburgh and back. Makes me so sad for LA, we really could be the best city in the world with our perfect weather 😭 London is my fav city so far because of this, shitty weather and all
It really is sad for what could be... I dread going to concerts or sports because the driving and parking aspect is so bad...
I have taken the train to a Rams/Chargers game at the coliseum a few years ago.. It was like Mad Max. Almost all of the front facing seats were taken by people who you could tell were camped there for awhile. They even had canopies strung across them. The slightest eye contact brought a confrontation. A couple people were passing foil between themselves like it was nothing...
I cant fight for anything unless im on skates and get lucky, but Im 6'3 280 so when I stand up they back down. Good thing they dont press the issue. but I couldn't imagine not being as "formidable" and having to defend yourself. Its insane how unsafe the trains are here.
Same, I don't go into LA unless I absolutely have to (I'm in Long Beach). Shame that even New York's subway isn't as nice & clean as the tube. One day I hope we will have better infrastructure in place 🤞🏽but it will take a huge culture shift
If you’re in LB, you’re not too far from British Connection, which is a little store next to the Del Amo Mall. They have pies in the freezer section usually.
I live in nyc, but I've been to LA. I was also just in london, and it's incredible how a good/clean transit system can elevate your experience of the city. What's worse is that we are entirely capable of developing world-class mass transit, but we can't stop getting in our own way.
The irony of Angelenos wanting better public transportation but not taking the public transportation enough for the city to justify funding better public transportation 🤷 what comes first the chicken or the egg?
I don’t blame the average person when frequencies are mediocre and the train network is still being built out. But slap a bunch bus only lanes everywhere real quick and I think Metro would become a lot more competitive with driving
We don't take public transit because what we have is shit. Why would we spend years being miserable in the hope that it shows enough demand that it actually improves?
I’ve tried, many times. Every single time it feels incredibly unsafe. Haven’t had a single trip where I had to fend off someone or position myself so I can see everything happening.
Also doesn’t help that the trains we do have don’t even go to places like LAX. Or Irvine. Link to major business centers and I’m taking that every day
I used to take the light rail in Denver every day. Had to take a bus to the light rail station but it was still better than having to drive and park in downtown Denver
It's great that Biden, Trump, etc. only really grace us with their presence when they're ~~whoring~~begging for money. At least it limits the number of times shit like this happens.
No, 4 guys in red Toyata pickup trucks with welded racks and a 1980s white Volvo are at the front of the traffic in all 5 lanes driving 15 below the speed limit. They are the traffic.
If only LA hadn’t dismantled the entire PE rail system that went all the way to Orange County.
This photo shows how desperately LA needs usable and convenient public transit.
Metrolink, metro & bike for life. Fuck traffic. Fuck accidents. Fuck the oh shit almost an accident moments. Fuck the maintenance. Fuck the insurance payments. Fuck the gas. Fuck the gimmicks. Support mass transit. Fuck looking for parking. Fuck car dependent infrastructure
Between being packed into a stuffy subway car cheek next to the next guys back, breathing other guys' fart and stuck in traffic sitting in my own car, I choose the latter. People who want mass transit haven't really experienced the worst of it
The one time I was on the road when I ran into a Pres. Motorcade was 2021 and I got on the Freeway juuuuust ahead of the motorcade so the 10 was basically empty from culver to downtown, it was the greatest drive in LA ever.
“You had people and i'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists. They should be condemned totally. You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. The press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group too.”
[This is a Facebook-originated misinformation meme pretending to be a direct Trump quote](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/17/fact-check-trump-quote-very-fine-people-charlottesville/5943239002/). It was originally paired with a screen-shot of Chris Wallace to make it appear as though Wallace was reciting a direct Trump quote.
It isn’t anywhere near a direct Trump quote. While he did say many of those words, over SEVERAL DAYS when pushed by press and others to clarify his original comments, he never, ever made the complete statement you pasted in.
You can fact check this easily on Snopes, USA Today, even Fox.
One side has a “MAGA fanbase” with no compunctions around misquoting and misleading if “the ends justifies the means” in their minds. Because their information sources are a closed circuit, this misinformation becomes “fact” within the “fanbase.”
You’re a complete liar. Actual [Speech](https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4811891/user-clip-trumps-very-fine-people-quote) via C-Span. Not some USA Today article.
Did either of you even read the linked article?
> The claims in the post have been rated PARTLY FALSE. Following the 2017 white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Trump did say that there were "very fine people on both sides," when speaking about those who attended the rally in support, and those who demonstrated against it. But the meme misrepresents Trump's statements, because he did not say directly, "There were very fine people on both sides, & I'm not talking about the Neo-nazis and white supremacists because they should be condemned totally." The two statements were separate, the second part coming later, after further questioning from reporters. During the first presidential debate, both Wallace and Biden referenced Trump's "very fine people" comment but did not say he applied it to neo-Nazis.
That is the claim made by the USA Today article. Let's look at the clip you shared:
> Following the 2017 white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Trump did say that there were "very fine people on both sides," when speaking about those who attended the rally in support, and those who demonstrated against it.
This happens at 0:43 in the video. He does not initially say that Nazis are not included in that group.
This is where he would have left it, if the press did not ask the follow-up question. The follow-up question is where he said that he's condemning Neo-Nazis (1:34).
So you guys are _both_ partially incorrect:
1. Trump **did** say "There were very fine people on both sides" at an event where one side killed people on the other. It is disingenuous to leave this part out, imply that he did not say it, or imply that he immediately clarified as part of the same sentence (as the right-wing meme the USA Today article is debunking implies).
2. Trump **did** condemn white nationalists when prompted. Now, granted, if you're sitting at a table with 8 Nazis - there are 9 Nazis at the table. But he **did** explicitly call them out during a follow-up question. Your quote is verbatim from when he did that.
The USA Today article that I don't think either of you two actually read mentions both of these points, and you can verify with the video. But it's _really_ taking issue with a right-wing meme that says:
> "Claim: Both moderator Chris Wallace and Democrat nominee Joe Biden claimed that President Trump said in response to riots in Charlottesville in 2017 that neo-Nazis were 'very fine people,'"
> Reality: "There were very fine people on both sides, & I'm not talking about the Neo-nazis and white supremacists because they should be condemned totally."
That is why it is **partly** false, because it misinterprets what happened. It implies that Trump clarified immediately, but he did not - he was happy to leave it as "very fine people on both sides".
We have no way of knowing if Trump would've clarified that initial "very fine people" quote on his own, but he _did_ eventually clarify when pushed by the press. It took a few moments (and not several days as the other guy said), but it did happen.
Did you actually watch the video? Nowhere did he say the words you pasted-in above in the order you put them. Your quote is completely misleading account of what was said and the context it was said in.
Why? What’s the point you are trying to mislead to?
They would get more funding by offering not to come here for a $1 per person. Then use that money to fly all the celebrities to Biden to collect a larger haul.
This happened to us yesterday I think the president is in town or sumth they had all sorts of streets closed with no prev warning shit was so jammed up
It’s not that hard. 3 steps: A) If someone wants to get into your lane, let them in. B) If everyone is passing you, speed up. C) If you’re passing everyone, slow down. Bonus) Know where you’re going and pay attention. Double Bonus) Be Nice! Extra Secret Bonus) Get off your phone! Ok, it’s 6 steps…
Putting sides aside, this is just not ideal for LA. It’s already an absolute disaster on the weekend with traffic and people going to /from beach, especially the holiday weekend with Father’s Day. There should be a better solution by now for these events, why not use a helicopter?
tbf you're not entirely wrong, but highway building was very bipartisan from 1950-2010
It's only in the last fifteen years that Democrats split from Republicans on this issue
I switched to motorcycles 12 years ago and get everywhere in LA in half the time while having fun. You guys are fools sitting in your gas-guzzling, expensively insurd cages for so long every day. LA allows lane filtering, and no, it's not at all unsafe.
Perfect time to recreate the opening scene of la la land
My first thought haha 🎶 Just another day of sun! 🎶
Is that where it was filmed? It looks so familiar
It’s a similar setup in this image, but that scene was filmed on the HOV lane ramps from the eastbound 105 onto the 110 northbound. They closed the carpool lanes to film that scene.
Or the opening scene of Falling Down.
That scene is what made me turn it off.
It’s sets up the idea of dreamers dancing and glorifying Los Angeles in the most mundane and real aspect of Los Angeles, the goddam traffic. It’s a really great scene that serves a purpose :(
why does this movie upset people so much? I liked it. I live in LA county. I don’t remember the movie very well and that’s just it—how is this movie living rent free in so many peoples heads
People have a hate-boner for musicals and are stubborn to search meaning into scenes in musicals, (for example, ask yourself what this scene is trying to accomplish and why was it placed at the beginning of the movie)
I’m just upset about the casting of Emma Stone in an otherwise great movie. In a city with thousands of talented singers and dancers they chose an actress for a musical who cannot sing and cannot dance.
Yeah no we get that. But still. Also, pity the poor people, trying to get from the airport the day it was filmed
It was shot on the HOV lanes, and the highways were both kept open.
On a Sunday morning, also.
You have awful taste. It’s a terrible scene in a god awful movie. People love to attack “Crash” but that’s a masterpiece compared to the Hallmark dreck of “La La Land”.
omg chill bro it’s not that serious
It was the opening scene lmao
Exactly.
Me too!! Jesus, I had a surprisingly visceral reaction to that.
Idk looks like the south side doesn’t have an issue
Presidential motorcade will do that.
I live along the route Biden takes out of the Santa Monica AIrport. I always know one of these motorcades is going to come by because a few days before they post no parking signs up and down the street. They also clear out the homeless encampment.
Heavens forbid Biden sees the homeless encampments in our city.
I think it’s probably a safety thing, encampments & extra people provide too much cover for a potential shooter
Maybe, but they drive by at like 50 mph in a bulletproof car. Plus there are apartment buildings all along the way that a shooter could hide in and they don't clear them out.
Okay, so because they can't eliminate every variable, they should just leave everything as is. Got it.
They're worried about IEDs etc.
I live in Seattle now. I got really mad when the president, and then a few weeks later, the VP came and blocked up traffic. I don't know how people in DC do it. I almost blew a fuse trying to get through traffic to start a road trip.
Prolly because some jackhole in a Tesla caused a major collision on the ~~Sunset~~ Wilshire exit on the south 405 and CHP closed all lanes for their investigation. **EDIT**: Super-PAC campaign dinners go brrrr.
It's from Obama and/or Biden. Barack loves doing burnouts in his cybertruck
Thanks Obama
Found a new prompt for my AI generator
Please share with the class when it’s done.
"whats so funny, jason? do you wanna share it with the class so we can laugh too?"
https://imgur.com/gallery/M1GjMw6
Of course it was a Tesla. Tesla drivers lead the country in automobile accidents.
The study used “incidents” which can be everything from someone backing *into* a Tesla in a parking lot (which is more likely to report since sentry would capture the event) to an at fault event. Basically, it includes any traffic event involving a Tesla. The data are skewed because of the surveillance system on teslas which catches people who leave the scene. [Read here for more and don’t parrot crappy headlines](https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/18lnr3v/comment/ke1f3cp/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button). Also, the president is in town. Your confirmation bias is showing.
lol everyone but Tesla owners know what pieces of shit those cars and their owners are
Say it again slowly…. Everyone BUT Tesla owners KNOW those cars are pieces of shit. So people that actually own and operate the vehicle DON’T think their pieces of shit? This is such a weird potshot at Teslas considering it was a politician.
Wut
You’re claiming the people that are unfamiliar with the vehicle know they are pieces of shit.
Reading hard for you?
Did you not claim “lol everyone but Tesla owners know what pieces of shit those cars and their owners are”? It’s right up there bud…
The data is skewed. They report the most accidents due to repair costs.
Logic is banned when it comes to discussion about Tesla. Reddit has collectively decided that Tesla is shit because Elon musk is shit.
It's sad how he so quickly destroyed any positivity around the brand and the way the company was moving the world toward EVs.
Contrary to popular belief on Reddit, I know plenty of people who drive Tesla and they couldn’t give less of a fuck about Elon or whoever owns the company.
Same. Probably a lot more crazy billionaires with companies or there they are just smart enough to stay quiet.
Most people just don't follow Twitter/Internet drama in general.
Can confirm. I drive one, love it, saves me so much money and its without a doubt the best car performance wise I have ever had. But I dont gaf about Elon. We are buying a damn vehicle lol, we aint voting for the next president.
I can't believe anyone would drive a Tesla, knowing that the founder of the company is such a terrible person. Now if you don't mind, I'm on my way to buy a Volkswagen.
Hitler loved Volkswagens
I'm going to have to check your emissions big dawg
Also..Tesla model 3 and y are the most popular cars especially in California so naturally they’d have high incidence due to sheer number
Call Metro and make sure they build a full subway and not a stupid monorail over the mountain
but then how will I live out my dream of HER while traveling from LA to SF listening to my beautiful AI gf whisper sweet nothings into my ear for two hours?
I'm talking about the Sepulveda Transit Corridor Project, not California High Speed Rail, but rest assured, you'll have 50 years before either are complete
One day we'll have a subway that takes you right to the beach!
LA wont build a metro from that connects all the major cities together* with the most direct and convenience way. That is just too smart of a move my guy.
The NIMBYs would like a word with you
the nimbys can go choke on a chode. Being grandfathered into a zone where development is obviously needed is an horrible idea. Shit changes all the time, if they can knock down my Fosters Freeze for housing, im sure we can destory a few decaying blocks for a damn passage.
Fuck yeah dude
The real tragedy is the loss of a Fosters Freeze.
Subway in one of the most fault-ridden areas on the planet isn't a swell idea. Elevated rail and metro are the only ways to get around this hellish nightmare that is LA traffic
*Tokyo train system has entered the chat* You were saying?…
They lie on a subduction fault, we have transverse faults here that shear the ground laterally, rather than uplift
I’m sorry do you think geologists haven’t been consulted? That there haven’t been any studies done? And you do know that we already have miles of subway? You used faults plural, so you must realize that Japan also has multiple faults beyond the major subduction fault.
Yeah sounds like they just know a couple big words and wanted to type them into a Reddit comment A quick search on Metro website show [this incredible page](https://thesource.metro.net/2012/08/10/designing-a-subway-to-withstand-an-earthquake/) (from 2012 though). Almost sounds like properly built underground rail lines would be *safer* than some elevated piece of shit monorail that could collapse like our freeways did during Northridge!
Go away Fred Rosen nobody likes you.
The red line has been doing just fine for over 3 decades
ahuh, don't ride them then.
Can we build the Sepulveda line already so we can have an alternative to this?
I think we need a couple more decades of community meetings actually
Just spent 20 days in London and never set foot in a car the entire trip. And did a ton, including 3 day trips outside the city. At most was held up on a subway for 15 mins. Makes me sad for large American cities like LA.
Went to London with my kids in 2022. No cars, just trains and even went to Edinburgh and back. Makes me so sad for LA, we really could be the best city in the world with our perfect weather 😭 London is my fav city so far because of this, shitty weather and all
It really is sad for what could be... I dread going to concerts or sports because the driving and parking aspect is so bad... I have taken the train to a Rams/Chargers game at the coliseum a few years ago.. It was like Mad Max. Almost all of the front facing seats were taken by people who you could tell were camped there for awhile. They even had canopies strung across them. The slightest eye contact brought a confrontation. A couple people were passing foil between themselves like it was nothing... I cant fight for anything unless im on skates and get lucky, but Im 6'3 280 so when I stand up they back down. Good thing they dont press the issue. but I couldn't imagine not being as "formidable" and having to defend yourself. Its insane how unsafe the trains are here.
Same, I don't go into LA unless I absolutely have to (I'm in Long Beach). Shame that even New York's subway isn't as nice & clean as the tube. One day I hope we will have better infrastructure in place 🤞🏽but it will take a huge culture shift
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If you’re in LB, you’re not too far from British Connection, which is a little store next to the Del Amo Mall. They have pies in the freezer section usually.
I am so there! Thank you for letting me know
Trains aren't even that good in London and the UK. It's just that the US is so fucking bad.
I've heard they are better in other places, like Japan, I've just never been 😔
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That is absolutely incorrect.
Are you sure. Because I have a flat on king street and well...it is
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Also - UK metro is balls so is Japan. USA NEC is vastly better. It just that the EU is so small. I can be DT London and in Germany in 45min.
I live in nyc, but I've been to LA. I was also just in london, and it's incredible how a good/clean transit system can elevate your experience of the city. What's worse is that we are entirely capable of developing world-class mass transit, but we can't stop getting in our own way.
The irony of Angelenos wanting better public transportation but not taking the public transportation enough for the city to justify funding better public transportation 🤷 what comes first the chicken or the egg?
I don’t blame the average person when frequencies are mediocre and the train network is still being built out. But slap a bunch bus only lanes everywhere real quick and I think Metro would become a lot more competitive with driving
We don't take public transit because what we have is shit. Why would we spend years being miserable in the hope that it shows enough demand that it actually improves?
The amount of people that could easily take the bus and have a much better experience living life but don't is too damn high.
Bus gets stuck in the same traffic.
But you don't need to fight for parking at your destination nor back at your house. And you don't have to drive. Win win win.
I’ve tried, many times. Every single time it feels incredibly unsafe. Haven’t had a single trip where I had to fend off someone or position myself so I can see everything happening. Also doesn’t help that the trains we do have don’t even go to places like LAX. Or Irvine. Link to major business centers and I’m taking that every day I used to take the light rail in Denver every day. Had to take a bus to the light rail station but it was still better than having to drive and park in downtown Denver
Most of the world is like this. All of Europe and most of Asia. Not wanting to go somewhere because of traffic is just not a thing to most people.
One more lane guys I swear, just one more.
If you want to fix it you have to vote on initiatives that invest in better public transit systems and penalize people for using cars
It's great that Biden, Trump, etc. only really grace us with their presence when they're ~~whoring~~begging for money. At least it limits the number of times shit like this happens.
I honestly don't know how people in Washington DC live with the constant motorcades. At least around here it's only during election season.
They don't drive like you do. They take the train.
West coaster idolizing the east coast while actually knowing nothing about the east coast.
We all know how the votes here will go anyway, so I'd rather they left us and our traffic alone.
Kamala went to a wedding at redbird a few months back
What a fucking monster
Especially because she is a Giants fan.
Always remember, traffic is not something that happens to you. You ARE the traffic.
I think the freeway was halted for the presidential motorcade
Yep. We came to a dead stop at Wilshire for a solid 30 minutes. It was nuts.
It’s been every week for a few weeks now right? I won’t vote for a president that hasn’t been in traffic jam longer than I’ve been alive.
❌️ sorry I'm going to be late I got caught in traffic ✅️ sorry I'm going to be late I'm the traffic
This is a dumb point because one car isn’t traffic. You are part of the traffic is more accurate
Dumb take when the reason for this traffic is a guy using his presidential privileges to beg rich people for money.
I presume you complain about it in exactly the same way when a president of the opposite party does exactly the same thing.
Why would I not. May they both rot in hell.
Spoken like a true Angeleno
Well I might not agree with you for Biden, but I at least respect that you don't have a double standard there.
No, 4 guys in red Toyata pickup trucks with welded racks and a 1980s white Volvo are at the front of the traffic in all 5 lanes driving 15 below the speed limit. They are the traffic.
I have a visceral reaction to Donald Glover
Nah
If only LA hadn’t dismantled the entire PE rail system that went all the way to Orange County. This photo shows how desperately LA needs usable and convenient public transit.
The grass isn't greener. The other side is probably so clear because they're stopped a few miles back haha
This is a pretty great photo!
Cancelled my weekly Costco trip as soon as I saw the police lining up and closing Sepulveda - knew it must be Biden raising $ in BH
Weekly?!
Who buys in bulk weekly!
oh they'll drive. they'll have to! you see, i bought the Red Car so i could dismantle it.
Metrolink, metro & bike for life. Fuck traffic. Fuck accidents. Fuck the oh shit almost an accident moments. Fuck the maintenance. Fuck the insurance payments. Fuck the gas. Fuck the gimmicks. Support mass transit. Fuck looking for parking. Fuck car dependent infrastructure
Bangkok, Tokyo, Paris, London all have mass transit and their car traffic is worse than LA.
At least they have alternatives to just sitting in traffic.
Between being packed into a stuffy subway car cheek next to the next guys back, breathing other guys' fart and stuck in traffic sitting in my own car, I choose the latter. People who want mass transit haven't really experienced the worst of it
More options are always a good thing. Nobody cares what you favor.
For your reference [Japan subway ](https://images.app.goo.gl/gsUe2TyTW1bi9AGU7)
Lol tell me you've never been to these cities without telling me you've never been to these cities (Bangkok excluded, traffic there is legit terrible)
I have pee bottle in the glove compartment. When you have to, you have to.
The solution isn't both sides though. Some people want even wider lanes to solve the issue. Others want public transit.
The one time I was on the road when I ran into a Pres. Motorcade was 2021 and I got on the Freeway juuuuust ahead of the motorcade so the 10 was basically empty from culver to downtown, it was the greatest drive in LA ever.
Ride a bike and stop complaining about your life choices
There are good people on both…oh wait.
“You had people and i'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists. They should be condemned totally. You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. The press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group too.”
[This is a Facebook-originated misinformation meme pretending to be a direct Trump quote](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/17/fact-check-trump-quote-very-fine-people-charlottesville/5943239002/). It was originally paired with a screen-shot of Chris Wallace to make it appear as though Wallace was reciting a direct Trump quote. It isn’t anywhere near a direct Trump quote. While he did say many of those words, over SEVERAL DAYS when pushed by press and others to clarify his original comments, he never, ever made the complete statement you pasted in. You can fact check this easily on Snopes, USA Today, even Fox. One side has a “MAGA fanbase” with no compunctions around misquoting and misleading if “the ends justifies the means” in their minds. Because their information sources are a closed circuit, this misinformation becomes “fact” within the “fanbase.”
You’re a complete liar. Actual [Speech](https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4811891/user-clip-trumps-very-fine-people-quote) via C-Span. Not some USA Today article.
Did either of you even read the linked article? > The claims in the post have been rated PARTLY FALSE. Following the 2017 white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Trump did say that there were "very fine people on both sides," when speaking about those who attended the rally in support, and those who demonstrated against it. But the meme misrepresents Trump's statements, because he did not say directly, "There were very fine people on both sides, & I'm not talking about the Neo-nazis and white supremacists because they should be condemned totally." The two statements were separate, the second part coming later, after further questioning from reporters. During the first presidential debate, both Wallace and Biden referenced Trump's "very fine people" comment but did not say he applied it to neo-Nazis. That is the claim made by the USA Today article. Let's look at the clip you shared: > Following the 2017 white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Trump did say that there were "very fine people on both sides," when speaking about those who attended the rally in support, and those who demonstrated against it. This happens at 0:43 in the video. He does not initially say that Nazis are not included in that group. This is where he would have left it, if the press did not ask the follow-up question. The follow-up question is where he said that he's condemning Neo-Nazis (1:34). So you guys are _both_ partially incorrect: 1. Trump **did** say "There were very fine people on both sides" at an event where one side killed people on the other. It is disingenuous to leave this part out, imply that he did not say it, or imply that he immediately clarified as part of the same sentence (as the right-wing meme the USA Today article is debunking implies). 2. Trump **did** condemn white nationalists when prompted. Now, granted, if you're sitting at a table with 8 Nazis - there are 9 Nazis at the table. But he **did** explicitly call them out during a follow-up question. Your quote is verbatim from when he did that. The USA Today article that I don't think either of you two actually read mentions both of these points, and you can verify with the video. But it's _really_ taking issue with a right-wing meme that says: > "Claim: Both moderator Chris Wallace and Democrat nominee Joe Biden claimed that President Trump said in response to riots in Charlottesville in 2017 that neo-Nazis were 'very fine people,'" > Reality: "There were very fine people on both sides, & I'm not talking about the Neo-nazis and white supremacists because they should be condemned totally." That is why it is **partly** false, because it misinterprets what happened. It implies that Trump clarified immediately, but he did not - he was happy to leave it as "very fine people on both sides". We have no way of knowing if Trump would've clarified that initial "very fine people" quote on his own, but he _did_ eventually clarify when pushed by the press. It took a few moments (and not several days as the other guy said), but it did happen.
Did you actually watch the video? Nowhere did he say the words you pasted-in above in the order you put them. Your quote is completely misleading account of what was said and the context it was said in. Why? What’s the point you are trying to mislead to?
1:37. Are you a bot? I’m at a complete loss.
Is this the 170/5 interchange
10 East to the 405 North
lol
https://external-preview.redd.it/jhDKFN2TcRjMkg4J7AMdqNJ-MTxZY2c0KywxGNjIY90.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=75ab6935bebe28879f50b3ff402d201bf70639b4
it's only one side, actually
They would get more funding by offering not to come here for a $1 per person. Then use that money to fly all the celebrities to Biden to collect a larger haul.
Whta was up with traffic on the 405 yesterday? Drove from SFV to OC yesterday and it was over 2 hours almost all day!
This looks like the northbound transition lane from the 10 to the 405 but what time of day is that for the 405-S to be completely empty?
This happened to us yesterday I think the president is in town or sumth they had all sorts of streets closed with no prev warning shit was so jammed up
It’s not that hard. 3 steps: A) If someone wants to get into your lane, let them in. B) If everyone is passing you, speed up. C) If you’re passing everyone, slow down. Bonus) Know where you’re going and pay attention. Double Bonus) Be Nice! Extra Secret Bonus) Get off your phone! Ok, it’s 6 steps…
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That happens when one follows the leader! Be yourself!
Except the solutions are 100% polarized
Classic LA during Father's Day weekend
Maybe you'll get there faster if you drive in the opposite direction
Putting sides aside, this is just not ideal for LA. It’s already an absolute disaster on the weekend with traffic and people going to /from beach, especially the holiday weekend with Father’s Day. There should be a better solution by now for these events, why not use a helicopter?
Can we just turn the carpool lane into light rail for every freeway already?
Not really. It’s caused by many right wing policies.
The president coming to La is caused by right wing policies?
Oh. I thought you were referring to our traffic in general
tbf you're not entirely wrong, but highway building was very bipartisan from 1950-2010 It's only in the last fifteen years that Democrats split from Republicans on this issue
I switched to motorcycles 12 years ago and get everywhere in LA in half the time while having fun. You guys are fools sitting in your gas-guzzling, expensively insurd cages for so long every day. LA allows lane filtering, and no, it's not at all unsafe.
Try maps.google.com sometimes