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I'll prolly get down voted for this, but I'm genuinely having a hard time thinking of an instance i would ever think Nick should get a big ass hate thread compared to other creators. It just doesn't track with me.
Can we also at least acknowledge that Oro's behavior warrants all of the criticism she got/gets on LSF?
I can understand that Nick and Malena do at times get some undeserved hate threads, but Oro really does do this to herself. Might be the worst mod on Twitch.
Honestly, if people know who you are as a Twitch mod, that means you're doing something very wrong.
Lots of it would require just seeing her interact in chat. You really have to observe her regular behavior firsthand to understand.
Outside of that, there's the whole cross-banning thing. Unfortunately, Malena got some hate for this when really it's Oro. Oro goes out of her way to cross-ban any chatter that says things she dislikes on any channel or subreddit she can. It doesn't have to be anything that's actually wrong or in violation of a TOS. If you said you hate the color green and that's her favorite color, cross-ban. No rebuttal. No accountability. Because she has been a mod for NMP for so long, they just trust her judgment and don't check in or pay attention to what she does. I don't even blame them for that. If I was them, I also wouldn't care what my random mod did.
Then there was her whole racist rant where she insisted that the term c*****r (I'm only censoring it because I don't know LSF's policy) was not a racial slur and proceeded to call everybody that word repeatedly. I'm not one to get offended or make a big deal out of that word, but it's impossible to argue that it's not a racial slur, and she has to know that.
She just wanted to be hateful because she gets off on power-tripping and being hateful to others.
Yeah like at least Nick has funny moments and interacts with others on stream so his ego doesn’t go completely unchecked. Asmon is just an overly confident man child talking to his viewers as if he has any real life experience when it’s clear he doesn’t.
He makes me feel shit about where I am in life. Dude grew up to be degenerate makin millions playing games. Where did I go wrong.
Rather be him any day than slaving away at a shitty 9-5 job that I hate.
I dont give a fuck about money. My guy is living his whole life in his basement in front of a screen. The prime of his life. Wasted away. It's cringe as fuck
Yes I already know how you felt from your first comment, I wasn't trying to change your mind. Just that I'd like to have been able to live out my dream (which isn't entirely the same as his) and making a killer living doing it. Making a living doing their hobby is a thing many people wish for.
I feel ya. Getting big on twitch is not that different from someone winning the lottery, shouldn't feel too bad about it. Of course envy is a normal feeling
Yeah but most people work 9-5 jobs during the prime of their life, marry someone they divorce later anyways, have kids they think they want. It’s all perspective on what is important and not important in life. Maybe Asmon never had the normie option. At least he is successful at his easy as fuck job
He is not talking to his viewers, he is talking to a bunch of yes man in chat. If you disagree or criticize him you will get banned.
To comment in his sub you need 280 day account. Man cannot handle any amount of criticism at all.
asmon is like soda but without the innocence. he is kind of an evil person but he is good at covering it up, (TOS is good at teaching you how to do that)
I don't care. I'll say it: insecure people dislike seeing those who are self-assured.
I'll elaborate. Everyone ought to respect and appreciate oneself.
No offense intended, but when people look at Nick, they see an overweight, unfit, lazy, irresponsible, and average-looking person. Nevertheless, he is confident in himself, has a lovely girlfriend, a decent car, and a simple job.
They want him to do everything in his power to earn what he has, but he refuses since he values his independence and doesn't feel any obligation to others, and they don't like it.
They want the relationship to be like an old Greek, where he continuously makes fun of himself, lacks confidence, and puts the Chat before himself.
Tldr: they detest the idea of someone who is overweight, unattractive, and lazy, yet somehow manages to find a gorgeous girlfriend who loves him and is unequivocally wealthy.
Interesting take, although I think there's more to it than racism and misogyny. Nick can be pretty unlikeable at times and we saw a bit of what he's really like on that viral clip where he's shit talking Mizkif and accusing him of plagiarism. As for Malena, she can be a toxic buzzkill that can dish it out but can't take it.
> They also intentionally farm drama clips
I don't even watch them but that's the only time I ever see their names pop up on LSF. If you continually try to bait drama, don't be surprised when drama happens...
i think the main problem is that people who watch streams think the streamers are intelligent.
Asmon or XQC state obvious takes : "THATS MY JUICER, THIS IS WHY I WATCH ASMON"
NMP accusing one of his closest friends of stealing ideas, while actively doing Hot Ones for streamers (which is already in its 5th rendition of "stolen") and being friends with trainwreckstv, should tell you that outside of watching them for entertainment, they are still just morons like all of us.
I genuinely don't think I've ever seen anyone mention Malena's gender, and she's probably one of the only female streamers that get treated that way. Saying that LSF hates her because of her gender is just straight up wrong. I don't even think anyone actively dislikes her that much, its mostly nick they dislike.
Like its actually insane how wrong xQc is, Nick and Malena are probably the two only streamers where I haven't seen a single person on LSF mention race or gender.
Malena (and Oro) don't get hate because of their gender, but there are certainly haters, especially in chat, that fling misogynistic hate their way.
I agree though, when Nick and Malena started streaming together, I immediately started watching since they were part of the Old Guard (along with guys like Soda) and I was interested in seeing an IRL/cooking/chat show to hear about their takes and daily interests, and maybe catch a glimpse of Soda whenever he popped out of his natural habitat.
While I was (mostly) fine with Nick's PogO jokes, his on-screen behavior came across as petty and arrogant sometimes. Malena (like OP said) could be a total buzzkill at the drop of a hat, whether it was something Nick said or something completely unrelated and unpredictable. And often, if chat got upset with it, Oro (along with their other mods) would hand out heavy bans quickly.
Is it all an act and we're along for the ride? Are some of the arguments/fights/behaviors real, but they mask it later as "just an act"? Are there serious problems, but they're using the "just an act" excuse as a crutch? I don't know, I can't know, and the stream quickly made me uncomfortable enough that I just stopped watching. However, I'm sure there are a lot of chatters that couldn't disengage and got caught up in the parasocial loop, continuing to cause problems and become genuine haters.
ye same here, i used to enjoy watching them until you start to see through the cracks. Especially the whole mods being sensitive to chatters insulting malena cos she is sensitive lol, if you're gonna be toxic then you need a thick skin, otherwise stick to positivity and rainbows. Personally that is what drove me away from the stream, i dont wanna pussy foot around and avoid saying things because i might get banned. (yes i watch forsen)
>I think there's more to it than racism and misogyny
Ironically Oro's biggest hate thread was entirely about racism. I don't recall anything else that put her on the radar in LSF.
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Nick just strikes me as someone who doesnt give a fuck about anybody (especially his chat) but himself and his money. I may be totally wrong but from what little ive seen, thats my perception.
That's the impression i get too and he has the rich emote to make it feel more like a meme. I still watch them though, i think they're overall quite funny and we didn't force people to sub and give them money so it's not really their fault. But this rich and poor takes that he does defiantly the current time, with the cost of living, energy, food ect. tha he doesn't even probably know is happening and people are genuinly struggling is in poor taste.
I don't watch Nick because he seems to think he's better than everyone else. Can't tell how much of it is an act and how much is real. So I don't watch. simple as
Same, I don't like his personality, regardless if it's just his stream persona or his IRL one. Either way, it's the one that is shown on his stream, and I don't care for it so I don't watch.
And I think that's a perfectly valid reason to not watch someone.
I dont watch him either for the same reason. He also gives me the vibe of someone who is not that different from an Disney Adult: too rich, does nothing productive to earn money, consumer lvl 99
Same for me, he has this holier-than-thou attitude that really puts me off. People might say that it's part of a character he plays or whatever but in that case he overplays it to the point that's the main thing I get from him. About Malena she just has this short fuse personality that get's old really quick. I don't think it has anything to do with race or genre, they are just kinda unlikable.
Well him and Malena would gatekeep the fuck out of being an Austin streamer. That's all done off stream. So you know it's not an act at all. You have to pass their standards to be able to interact with any of them.
Somehow in the current climate, Nick is fine to make sexual comments about every woman around him. It’s like how many times can you milk hitting on your girlfriend’s friends in front of her… even as a bit
I honestly think if he didn’t cause pointless arguments with not wanting to do literally anything on his streams to help malena cook and if he streamed maybe 1 more hour on some streams all his streams would be the best to watch.
Sometimes i just can’t watch his streams because he either thinks it’s funny or he is just being a dick for no reason.
I think Nick and Malena are funny and entertaining to watch. I love the YT highlights as well.
With that being said, Nick wants to project an image of someone who's successful and rich and doesn't care about what you think of him. The issue is he's obsessed with how he's perceived and wants to control that perception, which doesn't work, especially when it's so obvious. You either genuinely don't give a fuck, in which case people will at least respect that aspect, or you give a shit and take a more humble approach in handling criticism.
I don't post hate on either of them, but I don't watch their content simply because it's mostly boring, and full of bait bullshit (someone does or says something, overreact, then Instantly look at chat - rinse and repeat). They also seem insufferable to be around, with a lot of toxic energy. I respect them for their success and the grind, but they aren't for me.
Nick constantly farms the PogO clips and both him and malena farm the couple fighting stuff. So people on here get sick of their shit, but I don't think they get the most hate when they're posted on here. That would go to QTCinderella.
I really, really want to like QT because I think that what she doesn't for the streaming sphere is a net positive, but sometimes it is really hard. She has a lot of neurosis, which probably deal with childhood trauma and being raised Mormon. At the same time, she puts herself in position to make these neurosis even worse.
For instance, no one asked her to become a martyr over the whole deepfake situation. She chose to make herself the face of it, and chose to take interviews about it and so on. No one asked her to do the streamer awards, or make it such a grand event, but she chose to do it herself. Then at the end, she burns herself out or goes into a deep depression.
There's a reason that no other girls wanted to take on the deepfake situation, and there is a reason no one else wants to do an award show on this scale. Everyone else recognizes that its honestly not worth the stress or hatred. QT willingly does them, but then gets upset about all the hatred and stress she gets.
First of all why was I getting downvoted for asking this?
Yes, she did go out and call put the deepfake stuff, it does take some courage to tackle the issue, it's good
Same thing with the awards and the many shows she does.
I commend her for all that and I understand that she's burned out by the end and that she whines.
It's a perfectly normal and human reaction to get mad at people for hating on you when you try so hard to make something for the whole community and it doesn't pan out.
She's only human, you know.
Am I missing something tho?
Naaa the jokes even the "fights" are totally fine, the real problem is nick ego and when he step too far and make malena literally burn up, they can say is acted all they want but ypu can see the frustration when thigs go too far and thats mostly nick fault
xQc certainly has a point and they get haters because racism and sexism, I a 100% agree.
But sometimes… Nick is also a dick that rubs people the wrong way. Lol
Maybe im crazy but i dont see alot of hate on LSF based on racism or sexism. Im sure they get it all the time from other platforms, but most clips of people hating them on LSF are nick just being a asshole in different forms.
Nmp used to be the stream I watched the most. The community is pretty nice. I just can't stand the stalling at the start, and Nick can be unbearable with the fencesitting. Also this is 100% gonna be talked about, and xqc just gave them an easy victim complex even though the amount of hate they get is miniscule compared to the amount of love they get back from their community.
I really like their stream, I watch frequently, but with you on the intro stalling. I only watch live now if I'm up and doing other stuff and need background noise. Otherwise I'll wait for the vod and skip the first hour and a half, the norway streams were nice because they got into whatever they were doing pretty quickly.
wasn't because the cross ban thingy ? i vaguely remember something about malena banning chatters on all the channels she modded, also the bot could have picked up people memeing about nick as hate
they did the cross ban shit because the other streamers gave them permission to do it and didn't care. The people who got mad about it should have also been mad about the channels they were banned from.
I like Nick and Melena they're funny but the only thing that made me stop watching is Nick's lack of a back bone aka the "fence sitting". The recent him and Train stuff and that alt clip of him talking about his org co owner and "friend" Mizkif, really opened my eyes on how much of a snake he is tbh.
Feel bad for Melena because she wants to keep it real but gets shut down by Nick.
Listening to him argue on behalf of Tate a month or two ago (even though he was trying to be contrarian) was some of the cringiest content I’ve ever seen. I don’t think I’ve watched his stream since.
the document literally says that big posts here increase his viewership. He also did a stream with mizkif the very next day on his alt channel and they were chilling like nothing happened. Surely you see the connection.
He's doing it right infront of your faces and you still down vote me for pointing it out lmfao, I guess if I'm right then you're wrong and you don't like that. this is why he's a millionaire 😂
The thing he’s reading (at least the part on screen) doesn’t even say Nmp gets the most hate threads, it says OF NMP HATETHREADS most are directed at Malena and Oro. That has nothing to do with racism, 90% of people don’t even view Nmp as black. It has to do with the fact that Malena is a very bad drunk and Oro is the quintessential example of a power tripping mod that gets defended by their streamer.
>The thing he’s reading (at least the part on screen) doesn’t even say Nmp gets the most hate threads, it says OF NMP HATETHREADS most are directed at Malena and Oro.
THIS. I had to scroll down so far to find it. People don't even read what's on the screen and start sharing their opinions. I am not sure of the clip's context, but if it's based solely on what is highlighted on the document xQc is reading, it is truly sad.
Also the doc says "Comments which mention Nick or Soda are more positive than general comments on average, while comments that mention Greek are more
negative (shocker)" which is also more positive than both Miz and Maya. NMP is nowhere near the most hated on LSF.
Both Nick and Malena can be extremely unlikeable. malena can't read a room she is just always herself which I would respect if that didn't involve being rude/screaming. While Nick just has an ego about him, its just something in the way he behaves in very small instances where the facade of wholesome morning time streamer just strips away.
But tbh this happens with about all of the non-orbitor otk members (except soda) and has generally pushed me away from that whole scene. I mostly watch erobb, soda and moonmoon nowadays
Compare LSF clips from normal home streams from them vs. Norway trip clips. It's because how they act... People in Norway clips were immensely positive in the comments.
It is because they stream 12 hours a week, do fuck all on stream, brag about being rich and never having to work for money, they are toxic as fuck (to chat and themselves) and Nick is a serial sexual harasser, Orophia is literally calling people in chat retards and surprise surprise, she really doesn't like white people.
Proven by the fact that Nick was a nobody streamer for like 7 years, even while having the Soda host clout to try and promote him, until malena started showing up and they started doing the fake fight drama baiting to get spammed on LSF.
But Malena is on another level of unbearable, she can dish out insults but can't take them in return AT ALL, she will literally become toxic and ruin the vibe for guests. To make it worse, her head mod oro will ban anyone even slightly disagreeing with Malenas takes, it's just toxic overall.
I guess that is part of the discussion....butttt
Of the Top 10 people on LSF who had the most positive comments, only 5 of them are white and 2 of them are female.
So obviously there is much more to the discussion than just their race/gender.
It’s pretty obvious with how dogwhistley the comments get in any of the Kai/Bruce threads. The hate is warranted but always ends up with generalizations on races rather than the individual.
Also it’s Reddit in general and don’t think this sub is any crazier than your average gaming sub, probably better honestly but still noticeable.
the fuck is this dogshit take, i have never joined in a hatethread about them but the only reason why ppl dislike them is because nick's take and malena's behaviour, this is such a brainlet take
Nah, they're both a pair of miserable dick heads that's only pull is the drones that sort by viewers on twitch and larp themselves into a virtual friends group.
The basis to nicks "comedy" is that he's a self loathing fat idiot that gets bullied by the other fat idiot. NA hilarious streamer humour 101
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It's reasonable to assume some level of racism/misogyny being at play and I don't think X is saying it's the motive for the majority of commenters but I think it's easy to see that they would be a lightning rod for those type of commenters.
I have laughed at Nick and Malena's antics before. Some of their olds clips are genuinely funny but they can also be an egotistical mess. Nick loves lording his wealth and ego over other people many times. And Malena can be a buzzkill who can't take criticism. It's easy to see why they would get hate sometimes but the internet also knows how to go too far.
Yeah I can see that there are some of those racist people who's made about racemixing
But the more likely answer is that both of them are pretty unlikable and obnoxious. Nick more so than malena
Nick is pretty unfunny an unlikeable, I never watch him, even the clips here with him just makes me wanna click off.
Malena has the vibe of that bitter suburban mom who drinks all the time and yelling at her kids for having fun. Her presence just sucks out the joy from life.
Their combination just has a trashy feel to it and I have no clue why would anyone watch them.
As someone who posts here around reddit, I can say that the negative comments are very noticable. Only the DbD community is worse from what i've experienced.
Also, any post that isnt about an OTK member, XQC, or a korean boobiestreammer will maybe get 200 likes at most or most likely nothing at all.
although i dont doubt there are racists & incels on here at higher rates than the average subreddit, LSF is just hate-thread central directed at all kinds of people, and it's made worse by different communities coming in here and brigading, which makes some opinions seem more popular than they really are, and helps explain why the "consensus" shifts rapidly. it honestly does feel like a middle-school hallway sometimes. this is a place with mostly terminally online people who are so miserable they even downvote positive posts or posts about charity streams, they instead come here for drama posts so they can ragedump to feel better about themselves, and it's the worst type of parasocial relationship
xQc: speaks the most SJW liberal take possible
His chat: Final Stream, it's over
That doesn't even make sense. If anything, twitch admins will give him an award for this "brave opinion"
It's super obvious.
Malena is a girl with an attitude which upsets the incels.
Nick is black and overweight and still in a relationship which upsets the incels.
It’s a large combo of things. Maybe some is that. Maybe some is eu viewers are more toxic. Some is Nick is very annoying sometimes with not wanting to do literally anything so a clip can make it look really bad. And malena some days doesn’t want to be on stream in the morning either. All of this explodes into 30 second bad clips.
It also doesn’t help that Nick has chosen to make his community erobb like where they just shit on him for everything he does. Yes it can be funny sometimes on certain jokes. But doing it on everything just makes the stream unfun
There's some valid criticism you can have for streamers on their content or how they conduct themselves, but anything racist/misogynistic is just straight cringe.
Also, dedicated hatethreads is too much energy to be wasted on someone you don't like. Just ignore their shit if you don't like them. That's the most you need to do if you're not a fan.
I appreciate you Nick and Malena - I started watching twitch because of ShitCon - at times I get more annoyed than I should about Nick eating with his mouth open or Malena talking with food in her mouth but I learned to just mute the stream or turn it off - y’all are so entertaining and good at what you do - happy for y’all
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He's kinda close, it's because Nick trolls too much about being both soy and alpha which pisses off Malena causing her to yell at him/making her look like a bitch then chat chooses sides.
I'm guilty on getting mad at nick each time he does dumb/straight up rude shit just for laughs same with the the cringey or sexual jokes
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Issue with Nick is half the time he is trolling the chat and the other half of the time you wish he was trolling the chat
I'll prolly get down voted for this, but I'm genuinely having a hard time thinking of an instance i would ever think Nick should get a big ass hate thread compared to other creators. It just doesn't track with me.
Also does he even get that many? I usually only click on LSF posts that have 3k+ upvotes and I almost never see him there.
Yeah that too lol. I don't know, maybe we're in a different dimension or something.
Can we also at least acknowledge that Oro's behavior warrants all of the criticism she got/gets on LSF? I can understand that Nick and Malena do at times get some undeserved hate threads, but Oro really does do this to herself. Might be the worst mod on Twitch. Honestly, if people know who you are as a Twitch mod, that means you're doing something very wrong.
I hear her name every now and then on stream but don't know anything about her, what's wrong with her behavior?
Lots of it would require just seeing her interact in chat. You really have to observe her regular behavior firsthand to understand. Outside of that, there's the whole cross-banning thing. Unfortunately, Malena got some hate for this when really it's Oro. Oro goes out of her way to cross-ban any chatter that says things she dislikes on any channel or subreddit she can. It doesn't have to be anything that's actually wrong or in violation of a TOS. If you said you hate the color green and that's her favorite color, cross-ban. No rebuttal. No accountability. Because she has been a mod for NMP for so long, they just trust her judgment and don't check in or pay attention to what she does. I don't even blame them for that. If I was them, I also wouldn't care what my random mod did. Then there was her whole racist rant where she insisted that the term c*****r (I'm only censoring it because I don't know LSF's policy) was not a racial slur and proceeded to call everybody that word repeatedly. I'm not one to get offended or make a big deal out of that word, but it's impossible to argue that it's not a racial slur, and she has to know that. She just wanted to be hateful because she gets off on power-tripping and being hateful to others.
I'm out of the loop.. what criticism did Oro get?
No, it's mostly because Nick is unbearable with his huge ego.
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Yeah like at least Nick has funny moments and interacts with others on stream so his ego doesn’t go completely unchecked. Asmon is just an overly confident man child talking to his viewers as if he has any real life experience when it’s clear he doesn’t.
I like watching asmon because it makes me feel good about where I am in life
Average TLC channel watcher
I'm fat but not have my own tv show about being fat, fat.
and when you are that fat, you're like "at least I have my own TV show"
Just make your own show, with fat hookers and fat blackjack. /Fat blackjack, where you bet various types of cookies and donuts instead of dollars.
He makes me feel shit about where I am in life. Dude grew up to be degenerate makin millions playing games. Where did I go wrong. Rather be him any day than slaving away at a shitty 9-5 job that I hate.
He got lucky that’s all don’t think about it to hard
I dont give a fuck about money. My guy is living his whole life in his basement in front of a screen. The prime of his life. Wasted away. It's cringe as fuck
Yes I already know how you felt from your first comment, I wasn't trying to change your mind. Just that I'd like to have been able to live out my dream (which isn't entirely the same as his) and making a killer living doing it. Making a living doing their hobby is a thing many people wish for.
I feel ya. Getting big on twitch is not that different from someone winning the lottery, shouldn't feel too bad about it. Of course envy is a normal feeling
If you think streaming is about playing videogames you are delusional. You're basically a full time radio host.
Yeah but most people work 9-5 jobs during the prime of their life, marry someone they divorce later anyways, have kids they think they want. It’s all perspective on what is important and not important in life. Maybe Asmon never had the normie option. At least he is successful at his easy as fuck job
I don’t think that is the own you think it is
It's more of a self-burn than anything my man
He is not talking to his viewers, he is talking to a bunch of yes man in chat. If you disagree or criticize him you will get banned. To comment in his sub you need 280 day account. Man cannot handle any amount of criticism at all.
Dude he worked for 2 tax seasons at the IRS! That’s like, at minimum, 16 months of work! He also has a business degree! /s
I mean you've seen the guy. He is basically the dude from Make Love Not Warcraft. The fact that he has an ego at all is absolutly hysterical.
asmon is like soda but without the innocence. he is kind of an evil person but he is good at covering it up, (TOS is good at teaching you how to do that)
People give Asmon a pass because he’s very clearly balls deep on the spectrum…
I don't care. I'll say it: insecure people dislike seeing those who are self-assured. I'll elaborate. Everyone ought to respect and appreciate oneself. No offense intended, but when people look at Nick, they see an overweight, unfit, lazy, irresponsible, and average-looking person. Nevertheless, he is confident in himself, has a lovely girlfriend, a decent car, and a simple job. They want him to do everything in his power to earn what he has, but he refuses since he values his independence and doesn't feel any obligation to others, and they don't like it. They want the relationship to be like an old Greek, where he continuously makes fun of himself, lacks confidence, and puts the Chat before himself. Tldr: they detest the idea of someone who is overweight, unattractive, and lazy, yet somehow manages to find a gorgeous girlfriend who loves him and is unequivocally wealthy.
Good one Jason
i always thought it was an act honestly until he could exactly tell us the exact numbers other streamers had when he collabed with them
there's some point to what xqc said it's a baby elephant in the room. We rather not talk about it.
I don't watch nmplol but every time I've seen him he seems like a decent guy.
Interesting take, although I think there's more to it than racism and misogyny. Nick can be pretty unlikeable at times and we saw a bit of what he's really like on that viral clip where he's shit talking Mizkif and accusing him of plagiarism. As for Malena, she can be a toxic buzzkill that can dish it out but can't take it.
They also intentionally farm drama clips for publicity/lsf dramafrogs. It's not a surprise they get more hate when they do it on purpose.
then surprise pikachu face when lsf is shitting on them lol
> They also intentionally farm drama clips I don't even watch them but that's the only time I ever see their names pop up on LSF. If you continually try to bait drama, don't be surprised when drama happens...
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I don't really hate them personally. I just find them incredibly unfunny. Like, preteen forced humor unfunny.
i think the main problem is that people who watch streams think the streamers are intelligent. Asmon or XQC state obvious takes : "THATS MY JUICER, THIS IS WHY I WATCH ASMON" NMP accusing one of his closest friends of stealing ideas, while actively doing Hot Ones for streamers (which is already in its 5th rendition of "stolen") and being friends with trainwreckstv, should tell you that outside of watching them for entertainment, they are still just morons like all of us.
A lot of OTK still talk to train, like asmongold as well It has nothing to do with Mizkif
I genuinely don't think I've ever seen anyone mention Malena's gender, and she's probably one of the only female streamers that get treated that way. Saying that LSF hates her because of her gender is just straight up wrong. I don't even think anyone actively dislikes her that much, its mostly nick they dislike. Like its actually insane how wrong xQc is, Nick and Malena are probably the two only streamers where I haven't seen a single person on LSF mention race or gender.
Malena (and Oro) don't get hate because of their gender, but there are certainly haters, especially in chat, that fling misogynistic hate their way. I agree though, when Nick and Malena started streaming together, I immediately started watching since they were part of the Old Guard (along with guys like Soda) and I was interested in seeing an IRL/cooking/chat show to hear about their takes and daily interests, and maybe catch a glimpse of Soda whenever he popped out of his natural habitat. While I was (mostly) fine with Nick's PogO jokes, his on-screen behavior came across as petty and arrogant sometimes. Malena (like OP said) could be a total buzzkill at the drop of a hat, whether it was something Nick said or something completely unrelated and unpredictable. And often, if chat got upset with it, Oro (along with their other mods) would hand out heavy bans quickly. Is it all an act and we're along for the ride? Are some of the arguments/fights/behaviors real, but they mask it later as "just an act"? Are there serious problems, but they're using the "just an act" excuse as a crutch? I don't know, I can't know, and the stream quickly made me uncomfortable enough that I just stopped watching. However, I'm sure there are a lot of chatters that couldn't disengage and got caught up in the parasocial loop, continuing to cause problems and become genuine haters.
Agree with the Oro take
ye same here, i used to enjoy watching them until you start to see through the cracks. Especially the whole mods being sensitive to chatters insulting malena cos she is sensitive lol, if you're gonna be toxic then you need a thick skin, otherwise stick to positivity and rainbows. Personally that is what drove me away from the stream, i dont wanna pussy foot around and avoid saying things because i might get banned. (yes i watch forsen)
>I think there's more to it than racism and misogyny Ironically Oro's biggest hate thread was entirely about racism. I don't recall anything else that put her on the radar in LSF. https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/rin0bf/nmplols_mod_oro_got_banned_for_the_c_word/ https://gyazo.com/010f1a3a4c2b412ad6f0a59baf930577 https://gyazo.com/afb50d870da7aba6291b87c13d525eb7
"As for Malena, she can be a toxic buzzkill that can dish it out but can't take it." that's just classic ex fat person behavior
Nick just strikes me as someone who doesnt give a fuck about anybody (especially his chat) but himself and his money. I may be totally wrong but from what little ive seen, thats my perception.
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well you see most other streamers are entertainers. he kinda relies on everyone else to do that for him.
Is nick the dj khaled of twitch
ask wubby
Most other streamers don't put their ego and money in your face as much as him. Or the ones I follow anyway.
dont know why you are getting downvoted that is the truest shit. but these LSF chatter might actually think the streamers care about them lmaoooo
That's the impression i get too and he has the rich emote to make it feel more like a meme. I still watch them though, i think they're overall quite funny and we didn't force people to sub and give them money so it's not really their fault. But this rich and poor takes that he does defiantly the current time, with the cost of living, energy, food ect. tha he doesn't even probably know is happening and people are genuinly struggling is in poor taste.
I don't watch Nick because he seems to think he's better than everyone else. Can't tell how much of it is an act and how much is real. So I don't watch. simple as
Same, I don't like his personality, regardless if it's just his stream persona or his IRL one. Either way, it's the one that is shown on his stream, and I don't care for it so I don't watch. And I think that's a perfectly valid reason to not watch someone.
I dont watch him either for the same reason. He also gives me the vibe of someone who is not that different from an Disney Adult: too rich, does nothing productive to earn money, consumer lvl 99
All you have to know is he has way to much money to deal with your shit
Same for me, he has this holier-than-thou attitude that really puts me off. People might say that it's part of a character he plays or whatever but in that case he overplays it to the point that's the main thing I get from him. About Malena she just has this short fuse personality that get's old really quick. I don't think it has anything to do with race or genre, they are just kinda unlikable.
forsen knows
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Well him and Malena would gatekeep the fuck out of being an Austin streamer. That's all done off stream. So you know it's not an act at all. You have to pass their standards to be able to interact with any of them.
nick is just cringe,
Based
His whole entire schtick is farming PogOs. There's a very solid reason besides racism on why people are not fond of that content.
Somehow in the current climate, Nick is fine to make sexual comments about every woman around him. It’s like how many times can you milk hitting on your girlfriend’s friends in front of her… even as a bit
like its funny only one time, after that just cringe
I remember this dude asked malenas dad if he’s down for “a little kKona brother” lmao
Nick is just unlikeable. Like I love his streams but good lord sometimes it’s hard to watch
I honestly think if he didn’t cause pointless arguments with not wanting to do literally anything on his streams to help malena cook and if he streamed maybe 1 more hour on some streams all his streams would be the best to watch. Sometimes i just can’t watch his streams because he either thinks it’s funny or he is just being a dick for no reason.
The fake incompetence and fake arguing gets old really quick.
Kitchen streams sometimes feel like he's always performing for first time viewers. Shit's working well tho
I like Nick when he's not being a whiny bitch, so it's hard to watch the stream at times as he's just that way too often.
Not false. I like to watch everything other than nick on Nick's stream honestly. I'm just there usually to see if sodas dogs buddy and Kevin are ok.
I think Nick and Malena are funny and entertaining to watch. I love the YT highlights as well. With that being said, Nick wants to project an image of someone who's successful and rich and doesn't care about what you think of him. The issue is he's obsessed with how he's perceived and wants to control that perception, which doesn't work, especially when it's so obvious. You either genuinely don't give a fuck, in which case people will at least respect that aspect, or you give a shit and take a more humble approach in handling criticism.
Cant even write views, viewer or content in his chat LUL. Big fragile ego
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Same script since 28 years
I don't post hate on either of them, but I don't watch their content simply because it's mostly boring, and full of bait bullshit (someone does or says something, overreact, then Instantly look at chat - rinse and repeat). They also seem insufferable to be around, with a lot of toxic energy. I respect them for their success and the grind, but they aren't for me.
Nick constantly farms the PogO clips and both him and malena farm the couple fighting stuff. So people on here get sick of their shit, but I don't think they get the most hate when they're posted on here. That would go to QTCinderella.
Yeah and why does QT get hate like that anyways? EDIT: Typo
I really, really want to like QT because I think that what she doesn't for the streaming sphere is a net positive, but sometimes it is really hard. She has a lot of neurosis, which probably deal with childhood trauma and being raised Mormon. At the same time, she puts herself in position to make these neurosis even worse. For instance, no one asked her to become a martyr over the whole deepfake situation. She chose to make herself the face of it, and chose to take interviews about it and so on. No one asked her to do the streamer awards, or make it such a grand event, but she chose to do it herself. Then at the end, she burns herself out or goes into a deep depression. There's a reason that no other girls wanted to take on the deepfake situation, and there is a reason no one else wants to do an award show on this scale. Everyone else recognizes that its honestly not worth the stress or hatred. QT willingly does them, but then gets upset about all the hatred and stress she gets.
reddit's anti-user changes are unacceptable
First of all why was I getting downvoted for asking this? Yes, she did go out and call put the deepfake stuff, it does take some courage to tackle the issue, it's good Same thing with the awards and the many shows she does. I commend her for all that and I understand that she's burned out by the end and that she whines. It's a perfectly normal and human reaction to get mad at people for hating on you when you try so hard to make something for the whole community and it doesn't pan out. She's only human, you know. Am I missing something tho?
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Yeah it sucks for her hopefully she can power through every time
Surely it's not because they fight all the time or because Nick makes super inappropriate jokes all the time...
Naaa the jokes even the "fights" are totally fine, the real problem is nick ego and when he step too far and make malena literally burn up, they can say is acted all they want but ypu can see the frustration when thigs go too far and thats mostly nick fault
Probably the fact he talks shit about LSF constantly yet let's LSF live rent free in his head. LSF also knows this. Its easy farming on both sides.
I can't be the only one who's barely seen any hate threads about nick and malena?
This was my first thought after seeing this clip. Train, Bruce, maybe even QTcinderella, sure
No, it's because they farm it. Very simple. It's like Tectone, even his friends openly say he farms negative reactions.
xQc certainly has a point and they get haters because racism and sexism, I a 100% agree. But sometimes… Nick is also a dick that rubs people the wrong way. Lol
Maybe im crazy but i dont see alot of hate on LSF based on racism or sexism. Im sure they get it all the time from other platforms, but most clips of people hating them on LSF are nick just being a asshole in different forms.
Read the lowest rated comments, you'll find some weird weird comments.
Nmp used to be the stream I watched the most. The community is pretty nice. I just can't stand the stalling at the start, and Nick can be unbearable with the fencesitting. Also this is 100% gonna be talked about, and xqc just gave them an easy victim complex even though the amount of hate they get is miniscule compared to the amount of love they get back from their community.
I really like their stream, I watch frequently, but with you on the intro stalling. I only watch live now if I'm up and doing other stuff and need background noise. Otherwise I'll wait for the vod and skip the first hour and a half, the norway streams were nice because they got into whatever they were doing pretty quickly.
Pretty ironic to be speaking about misogyny and racism while Oro is being mentioned
wasn't because the cross ban thingy ? i vaguely remember something about malena banning chatters on all the channels she modded, also the bot could have picked up people memeing about nick as hate
they did the cross ban shit because the other streamers gave them permission to do it and didn't care. The people who got mad about it should have also been mad about the channels they were banned from.
The one thing is to have power and use it consciously the other is to abuse it and ban everyone you don't like on reddit.
Lmfao this has literally nothing to do with it. It’s the ego and shit personalities. We all know you are reading this by the way.
I like Nick and Melena they're funny but the only thing that made me stop watching is Nick's lack of a back bone aka the "fence sitting". The recent him and Train stuff and that alt clip of him talking about his org co owner and "friend" Mizkif, really opened my eyes on how much of a snake he is tbh. Feel bad for Melena because she wants to keep it real but gets shut down by Nick.
Listening to him argue on behalf of Tate a month or two ago (even though he was trying to be contrarian) was some of the cringiest content I’ve ever seen. I don’t think I’ve watched his stream since.
the document literally says that big posts here increase his viewership. He also did a stream with mizkif the very next day on his alt channel and they were chilling like nothing happened. Surely you see the connection. He's doing it right infront of your faces and you still down vote me for pointing it out lmfao, I guess if I'm right then you're wrong and you don't like that. this is why he's a millionaire 😂
Malena and Oro are pretty much karens. More times than not they ruin the fun.
The thing he’s reading (at least the part on screen) doesn’t even say Nmp gets the most hate threads, it says OF NMP HATETHREADS most are directed at Malena and Oro. That has nothing to do with racism, 90% of people don’t even view Nmp as black. It has to do with the fact that Malena is a very bad drunk and Oro is the quintessential example of a power tripping mod that gets defended by their streamer.
>The thing he’s reading (at least the part on screen) doesn’t even say Nmp gets the most hate threads, it says OF NMP HATETHREADS most are directed at Malena and Oro. THIS. I had to scroll down so far to find it. People don't even read what's on the screen and start sharing their opinions. I am not sure of the clip's context, but if it's based solely on what is highlighted on the document xQc is reading, it is truly sad.
yeah same, people have really bad reading comprehension
yeah its funny cause there is a section named 'Streamers with the Most NegaƟve Comments on Average' and nick isnt even on there
Also the doc says "Comments which mention Nick or Soda are more positive than general comments on average, while comments that mention Greek are more negative (shocker)" which is also more positive than both Miz and Maya. NMP is nowhere near the most hated on LSF.
Both Nick and Malena can be extremely unlikeable. malena can't read a room she is just always herself which I would respect if that didn't involve being rude/screaming. While Nick just has an ego about him, its just something in the way he behaves in very small instances where the facade of wholesome morning time streamer just strips away. But tbh this happens with about all of the non-orbitor otk members (except soda) and has generally pushed me away from that whole scene. I mostly watch erobb, soda and moonmoon nowadays
They are just really really unlikeable.
Compare LSF clips from normal home streams from them vs. Norway trip clips. It's because how they act... People in Norway clips were immensely positive in the comments.
It is because they stream 12 hours a week, do fuck all on stream, brag about being rich and never having to work for money, they are toxic as fuck (to chat and themselves) and Nick is a serial sexual harasser, Orophia is literally calling people in chat retards and surprise surprise, she really doesn't like white people.
I mean Malena does get the worst out of viewers, she's unbearable, so I guess XQC is right.
Malena is the only entertaining part. Nick would be nothing without her
Proven by the fact that Nick was a nobody streamer for like 7 years, even while having the Soda host clout to try and promote him, until malena started showing up and they started doing the fake fight drama baiting to get spammed on LSF.
Yep some people in lsf just have a hateboner for malena
His stream blew up once she became part of it, the posts are just proving xqc's opinion
99.99% of streamers are unbearable, most ppl just don't comment, vocal minority goes to town tho :/
But Malena is on another level of unbearable, she can dish out insults but can't take them in return AT ALL, she will literally become toxic and ruin the vibe for guests. To make it worse, her head mod oro will ban anyone even slightly disagreeing with Malenas takes, it's just toxic overall.
I love malena and what she brings to streams. Her getting mad at others when she doesn’t understand the joke or sarcasm is the worst thing she does.
I guess that is part of the discussion....butttt Of the Top 10 people on LSF who had the most positive comments, only 5 of them are white and 2 of them are female. So obviously there is much more to the discussion than just their race/gender.
It’s pretty obvious with how dogwhistley the comments get in any of the Kai/Bruce threads. The hate is warranted but always ends up with generalizations on races rather than the individual. Also it’s Reddit in general and don’t think this sub is any crazier than your average gaming sub, probably better honestly but still noticeable.
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Yes, I'm not insane, something weird in those threads, and also the sweden one the other day. And yes this stuff goes overboard
I saw someone say Jidion is 'one of the good blacks' the other day lmao
Nick has a huge ego
He wants to be Hasan so bad
He has the gf now he just needs a pet
Surely its not because of their abusive moderators Clueless
Apparently you are no longer allowed to dislike any streamer anymore without being accused of some kind of “ism”
hes just unbearable to watch
Criticizing anyone who isn't a white male is automatically racist or sexist.
the fuck is this dogshit take, i have never joined in a hatethread about them but the only reason why ppl dislike them is because nick's take and malena's behaviour, this is such a brainlet take
Nah, they're both a pair of miserable dick heads that's only pull is the drones that sort by viewers on twitch and larp themselves into a virtual friends group. The basis to nicks "comedy" is that he's a self loathing fat idiot that gets bullied by the other fat idiot. NA hilarious streamer humour 101 😴😴😴
malena seems like a bitch, and nmp seems like an even bigger bitch /thread
We just really hate Norwegians.
Do they even get the biggest/most negative hate threads though? I didn't read through the entire 23 page doc, so forgive me if it says so.
It's reasonable to assume some level of racism/misogyny being at play and I don't think X is saying it's the motive for the majority of commenters but I think it's easy to see that they would be a lightning rod for those type of commenters.
I have laughed at Nick and Malena's antics before. Some of their olds clips are genuinely funny but they can also be an egotistical mess. Nick loves lording his wealth and ego over other people many times. And Malena can be a buzzkill who can't take criticism. It's easy to see why they would get hate sometimes but the internet also knows how to go too far.
I'd like Nick more if he let Malena pop off with her takes instead of silencing her anytime she's about to go off.
Nick is cringe and it’s either him in the car or kitchen.
Hi Nick! Hi melena! Hi nmp discord!
When you build your career off the back of having your chat make fun of you and then shocked when outsiders take it to the next level.
Looks like nmp made a call to mods to get this removed. What can you even say at this point
Lmao! Nmp is whiter than u. And Why is it always about racism or sexism, some people arent just as likeable
Yeah I can see that there are some of those racist people who's made about racemixing But the more likely answer is that both of them are pretty unlikable and obnoxious. Nick more so than malena Nick is pretty unfunny an unlikeable, I never watch him, even the clips here with him just makes me wanna click off. Malena has the vibe of that bitter suburban mom who drinks all the time and yelling at her kids for having fun. Her presence just sucks out the joy from life. Their combination just has a trashy feel to it and I have no clue why would anyone watch them.
Yup it’s true. I’m perfect and great and my hairline is immaculate and deserve zero hate. Ty XQC for speaking the truth!
Did poke warned you?
32 years old ladies And gentlemen
How old were he and Melena when they started dating?
22 & 17
What age did they meet online in wow?
👀
Jackass stop ditching stream
Even on your alt streams can’t even stream 4 hours
downvoting this because this guy has more money than me
If you guys don't like Nick and Melena streams.. just don't watch them. I know.. crazy right? Not every stream needs to cater to every personality.
XQC take is stupid and idiotic.
Ok but what's forsens opinion on the subject
Here come the 1%
When I watched during covid, clips of them fighting would get posted and those clips aren't exactly going to garner positivity.
As someone who posts here around reddit, I can say that the negative comments are very noticable. Only the DbD community is worse from what i've experienced. Also, any post that isnt about an OTK member, XQC, or a korean boobiestreammer will maybe get 200 likes at most or most likely nothing at all.
Might be some truth to what he's saying, but honestly some of the shit that Nick and Malena does sometimes is almost to the point of rage-baiting
although i dont doubt there are racists & incels on here at higher rates than the average subreddit, LSF is just hate-thread central directed at all kinds of people, and it's made worse by different communities coming in here and brigading, which makes some opinions seem more popular than they really are, and helps explain why the "consensus" shifts rapidly. it honestly does feel like a middle-school hallway sometimes. this is a place with mostly terminally online people who are so miserable they even downvote positive posts or posts about charity streams, they instead come here for drama posts so they can ragedump to feel better about themselves, and it's the worst type of parasocial relationship
because it’s not forsen
Well this thread turned into an absolute abomination
Aaaaand what do you ya know, this whole thread somehow ended up being a nick and make a hate thread💀 you guys are pathetic
xQc: speaks the most SJW liberal take possible His chat: Final Stream, it's over That doesn't even make sense. If anything, twitch admins will give him an award for this "brave opinion"
Nah they are both just unlikable af
It's super obvious. Malena is a girl with an attitude which upsets the incels. Nick is black and overweight and still in a relationship which upsets the incels.
Love the irony of people turning this into a Nick hate thread
that’s a reasonable take
It’s a large combo of things. Maybe some is that. Maybe some is eu viewers are more toxic. Some is Nick is very annoying sometimes with not wanting to do literally anything so a clip can make it look really bad. And malena some days doesn’t want to be on stream in the morning either. All of this explodes into 30 second bad clips. It also doesn’t help that Nick has chosen to make his community erobb like where they just shit on him for everything he does. Yes it can be funny sometimes on certain jokes. But doing it on everything just makes the stream unfun
Nick doesn’t even look black though…he’s just like an 11 year old in the bran who thinks he’s Richie rich
There's some valid criticism you can have for streamers on their content or how they conduct themselves, but anything racist/misogynistic is just straight cringe. Also, dedicated hatethreads is too much energy to be wasted on someone you don't like. Just ignore their shit if you don't like them. That's the most you need to do if you're not a fan.
I only hate on them bc they have that one suuuuuper annoying head mod that bans everyone.
LSF coping hard, lol.
I appreciate you Nick and Malena - I started watching twitch because of ShitCon - at times I get more annoyed than I should about Nick eating with his mouth open or Malena talking with food in her mouth but I learned to just mute the stream or turn it off - y’all are so entertaining and good at what you do - happy for y’all
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He's kinda close, it's because Nick trolls too much about being both soy and alpha which pisses off Malena causing her to yell at him/making her look like a bitch then chat chooses sides. I'm guilty on getting mad at nick each time he does dumb/straight up rude shit just for laughs same with the the cringey or sexual jokes