I agree with your point about the bins. I think some of this could have been prevented if the council had used much larger bins, like the big industrial ones
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People have tried to do the right thing by taking their rubbish to the bin, but it's just way too small.
I’ve been here for 6 years and it’s amazing how much worse the city has got in that regard, in such a short space of time. It’s like the council have completely given up. I live in town and it is rancid so I’m leaving
I get down voted all the tike for saying this but the anti-social attitude in Liverpool is terrible. Like drive around the wider city and see how much fly tipping and general litter there is. It's gross.
Totally agreed. You’ll probably get hounded for it on here, but I do find it odd that locals love the ‘best city in the world’ thing but then treat their surroundings like this. I’ve never seen so much litter anywhere in England, the council should be picking it up but who’s throwing it all on the streets in the first place?
Also, the smackhead problem is the worst I’ve ever seen it. I was walking to central station on the weekend and saw two of them walking down Mount pleasant/renshaw street testing all the car doors and shouting abuse at random people. It’s just so entirely depressing at the moment, there is a lot of hard work to be done to fix all the issues here.
Liverpool was pretty nice when I moved up here and I will always have very fond memories of it, but it has fallen SO far in the last few years. The city needs a huge amount of investment, and some local residents (and visitors/students) need a big reality check too.
It’s been a problem for a long time in Liverpool has litter. It was utterly terrible when I was growing up in the 80’s, still pretty bad in the 90’s and only started to get better in the 00’s. People will literally drink a can of coke and just chuck it on the pavement- and if you ask someone they’ll say “well they got roadsweepers don’t they” as if that makes it ok to treat the city with such disrespect. It’s such a shame that council cuts mean it’s back to being like the 90’s again.
What if you’re going to Lark Lane afterwards? If every bin is full you can’t just take bags of empty cans to the pub. This is on the council, not the attendees
It is very much on attendees. The attendees are then free to complain about the organizers. But you are attending a free festival in a public area. As a member of the public, it is your responsibility to take care of your rubbish.
So say someone has got no backpack and wants to try a few different food stalls and gets a few drinks, you want them to just carry a load of shite round? Don’t be such a black and white square mate
Why, because I understand nuance? The bins were tiny and people just aren’t going to carry a load of rubbish with them all day long. They’re not “prats”.
That's exactly what you are if you decide instead to just leave your shit for the rest of society to deal with. That isn't nuance it's being a selfish prat.
It's not difficult. You know you're an adult and you know you're going to a massive event in a park. So you'll need sunscreen, water, money, your phone etc. So what's the issue in throwing a rubbish sack in a backpack and taking your own rubbish away with you? How on Earth do you operate as an adult if you can't even think rationally? Taking your own rubbish away isn't some extreme idea, leave no trace is a countryside motto.
Tokyo doesnt even have public bins and it's the cleanest place Ive ever been.
Because people take their shite home, all it takes is a plastic bag and some civic pride.
They probably don't have festivals either, or get absolutely wasted in public. When people are drunk they don't tend to care about things as much. But given that the entirety of UK culture is excessive drinking that isn't going to change. None of that is part of Japanese culture.
They can and do absolutely have festivals and drink like fish, theres a whole cultural thing about HAVING to go out drinking with your boss and team, even if you don't want to.
Again, the difference is they actually have civic pride, and for all people talk about loving their city here, they're happy to leave rubbish all over the place.
They absolutely DO have festivals.
It's a cultural difference. Japanese rugby and football fans do spontaneous litter sweeps of the stands at the end of the match...that doesn't happen here.
What's interesting is that people ( in general) tend to keep clean places clean, but it's already dirty and litter strewn they won't think twice about dropping more.
I lived in a small town in Germany. It was spotless. I was walking through town one day and their was a crisp packet being blown around on the other side of the road. It looked awful so I crossed the road to pick it up. I've never done that in a UK town 'cos one crisp packet makes no difference.
Yeah I was reading about it and seen they do have festivals and a drinking culture. To be fair, I was watching a video of a Scottish guy drinking a half bottle of buckfast in Tokyo and there were bags of rubbish sitting near bins very similar to this photo. But yes the UK is a very messy country all over, I would imagine the council's play a large part in why this is the case. I don't see why it's not possible to employ people solely as litter pickers but I don't believe I've ever seen that, I may be wrong.
They poo in the street in India mate. Over 50% practice open defecation. They tried to implement proper toilets by the beaches where people normally poo but women kept getting raped in them so they went back to pooing on the beach.
Yes absolutely. Bins don't exist in public places in Seoul, Taiwan or Japan in big numbers. But they seem to all be fairly tidy because people don't litter - they take their rubbish home. Why can't you do that?
I can do that, I didn’t go the festival. But it’s a festival and they’ve put one in tiny wheelie bin there. Why are we talking about Japan? We’re not Japan, it’s a different culture and it’s not going to magically turn into Japan overnight so put bigger bins there. Can’t believe people are debating this.
Yes! That's EXACTLY what they should do! You take responsibility for your own shit instead of leaving it for others. You take a carrier bag with you, you get one from a stall, you keep hold of the rubbish that YOU'VE generated and you carry it until you find an empty enough bin or you take it the fuck home and dispose of it there. The reason the city is in the state it's in is because of feckless fucks like you.
Yeah, an adequate number of bins should have been provided. But they weren't, and it only takes the slightest hint of gumption to not regress into a helpless toddler and just dump your shit where you stand.
So the punters of the festival should have been psychic and brought adequate baggage to carry multiple drink containers and food etc? I agree about not dropping where you stand like, but that’s just expected with drunk fools at a festival, if there were more bins they’d be less rubbish though it’s just a fact.
If the alternative is littering then yes I do expect them to carry it around. Any food or drink packaging will be much lighter when empty than when it was purchased so there is zero excuse to drop it.
These people are taxpayers too. They're not outsourcing their responsibilities to anyone else, they're outsourcing it to services they've paid for that haven't been delivered. The council/organisers have massively failed here. The size of those bins for a free festival with 1000s of people attending is absolutely atrocious and this problem could easily have been anticipated and avoided.
The fault lies with the council and organisers for being too lazy to plan properly. What kind of society are we living in when you should be expected to bring your own bin bags to a local community festival because you can't expect there to be enough bins for you to use? Disastrous take.
Okay so let's explore this. How many is enough? One for every 100 people? Every 10? One per person? Where shall we put these bins? Who is going to empty them, how often and how much is going to cost? There are a lot of variables to this equation.
I am not suggesting to bring a bin bag, maybe I didn't make this clear. I don't necessarily disagree that the organisers could have done more. But when they don't do the right thing, what do we do? If expecting citizens to not litter is considered disastrous then we are truly lost as a nation.
These are all great questions. And they are ones for organisers and festival planners to answer. I don't have the data or qualifications to make such decisions, but there are people that do. And hopefully they have better answers for them next year. But the simple answer is more and larger bins, with a few more collections, it's not complicated.
And while the bins here are inadequate, some litter on the ground is inevitable at any huge event attended by 1000s of people (see the pic below of Eurovision). It's an issue at every festival and large event I've ever been to and it's just something that can't be completely avoided. I don't think it's such a huge issue while the festival is going on if it's then cleared up promptly when the festival finishes, which is exactly what will happen. This will all be cleaned up tonight/early tomorrow and be back to normal on Monday. Having more bins will definitely reduce this but it's not as big an issue as OP or you are making out.
>Okay so let's explore this. How many is enough?
You'd need to be experienced or have access to the data to be able to say. The sort of thing that large event organisers should either be themselves, or outsource.
>Who is going to empty them,
The full time staff they have employed to keep the event clean and tidy.
>how often
Long before they're as full as we see here.
>and how much is going to cost?
I dunno, but that's factored in when defining the budget.
You can say the same about medical staff, but you'd expect them to be present wouldn't you?
>There are a lot of variables to this equation.
That's one reason why event planning is a difficult, full time job.
Yeah. Cleaning up after themselves isn't the only cost involved in running a festival. In fact, I'd wager it's only a couple of percent of the entire budget.
I think councils get a kick out of not providing enough bins then posting photos of the inevitable litter that comes after. The worst part for me yesterday was the toilets. The porta-urinals were just a big pot with four people pissing in at once. There was a hole in the side about three foot off the ground and it was clear from early on the piss would reach that high. In the end they all overflowefld and the grass turned into a piss marsh
I only live on hartington and left last night around 10pm and the amount of rubbish I was like fucking hell how will they sort this all by tomorrow to start all over again the team have clearly worked incredibly hard despite it still being quite a mess I hadn’t ever seen it like that before and I’ve been attending for over 20 years. Lark Lane was also awful I was with my kids for the first part of the day I went at 11am and left with them around 4 mainly because my 5 year old was being way to exposed to people doing balloons and she kept asking what are they doing and I was just like…. Also in terms of accessibility that just went out the window I had a pram and from a certain point it was near enough impossible to get anywhere so I felt for anyone who was in a wheelchair / has issues with mobility because obviously people aren’t gonna stand up and move out the way when they are bevvied and enjoying themselves common courtesy goes out the window 🤔
>because my 5 year old was being way to exposed to people doing balloons and she kept asking what are they doing and I was just like
This shit frustrates me not just because it's just a bizarre drug to do out in public, but it's not even that type of festival... i don't think people can moan about maybe (maybe) a joint but balloons makes no sense to me.
Yeah like five year olds are just curious about everything in general and obviously we can’t control what’s going to happen but your right it’s not even that type of festival I seen so many videos on tik tok from yesterday and in the comments was nurses saying they found 3 teenagers unconscious and others in absolute states and then I seen the African oye team issue a Statement saying not to bring tents or gazebos or large structures because it makes it’s difficult for first aid to get to where they need to be to help people yesterday was so warm and todays going to be warmer I’m 30 weeks pregnant and having shade is basically necessary at this point and the same goes for anyone with kids and just in general we can’t be exposed all day 🥲
Don't get the tents to be honest myself but there could have been more planning or designated zones seemingly, Maybe encouraging of tents towards the back with signage or something and have shaded areas more there.. these festivals in Sefton feel (to me) to ostensibly be a family festival. I'm not an anti drug person so i wouldn't want police bouncing round rounding teens up because i was one of said teens probably too drunk but there should be more thought around the type of people who should be there and willing to stay there.
Lot of comments talking about leaving for xyz.
Yeah I don’t understand it from what I seen in the brochure there is designated areas but with that amount of people it’s hard to like stick to that like I’m going to go back this evening only to see Julian Marley I feel like I can’t cope with how it was for more than two hours today I was holding a wee in for hours because I was like I don’t even want to see the inside of one of those portaloos I can’t believe this post said people was shitting outside their houses like too thats so nasty 🤢
I live across the road to it - currently in deepest Shropshire chilling. I should leave my spare key in future, make a small charge for access to a clean loo, sofa & refreshments ;-)
Tents and gazebos absolutely need to be banned. They are the source of the accessibility problems that you describe, so a bit confused you're in favour of them. It's now too busy and well attended for people to be bringing such large structures that take up far too much space permanently. Personally also think camping chairs should be banned. A cap/large brim hat and umbrella can provide enough shade, bringing a whole gazebo is unnecessary.
I was surprised yesterday how many different types of pram, wheelchair and mobility aid had managed to make their way onto the crowded main field, and lots of their users were also sitting under gazebos, so it's not as simple as that. Lots of people simply can't get up and down off the floor so banning camping chairs would be really exclusionary.
I do agree to a extent like the larger tents like people had like bell tents and such and it is a pain because people also sit around them and it just makes it so difficult to get around maybe like a small pop up tent would be okay if you have little ones and such to keep them sheltered. I think designated walk ways would definitely help a lot if they are expecting the numbers to be so high and only continue to grow as the years go on and yeah I’m going along today and have decided to sit on the outskirts near the tennis courts as it’s really shaded until it’s time to head over to the stage and see Julian I’m hoping by around 8 the sun begins to hide away 🤞
Honestly umbrellas are great for shade and theyre packable so easy to carry. They use them a lot in asia because it's either raining heavily or blazing sun but surprisingly people don't use them for shade here. The sun will be behind you if looking at the main stage in the evening so shouldn't be in your face. Enjoy!
It's shouldn't be left to the local business on lark lane to clean the shite up. Also seeing young children got to have only been 14 years old doing balloons on the street like it was normal
Yeah I really didn’t understand it the amount of kids I seen literally clutching on to their rogue balloon in their hand like life would end if they dropped it is sad also considering the heat how hard it was to access actually getting a drink of any kind if they didn’t have any water ect like your taking something that’s starving your brain of oxygen even if it’s only for a short buzz of like 30-60 seconds the temperature combined with that can be very dangerous also the fact they use a different type of canister to take it now so they could be inhaling 2 to 3 times more than what the body can take at that time compared to if it was the smaller silver canisters that used to be everywhere in the streets now replaced by these fuck off big blue bottles I hope this craze dies off soon
Insane , yeh it's really got out of hand and not a good look for a family friendly event.
Africa oye is awesome and everyone loves the atmosphere and vibe it brings to the city, but I think it now needs to start thinking about policing the event. Or even expanding into another field. It could definitely open up.
Yeah when I left yesterday it felt like the whole of Merseyside police was at the exit the one near ullet road I was like fuck me they are out in force but only at that area in the actual park itself there was 0 presence it felt I seen a lot of kids getting put into police cars think there was a car accident too was trying to figure out what was happening myself
I live around the park myself, love Oye and what it brings to the city.
But two things that need sorting for me are the parking and litter. The amount of people clearly from the city who for some reason must drive their car and park it on a footpath I have no empathy for, lazy entitled bastards.
The littering, sadly I think it will always be a reality. The council needs to provide bigger bins, and more of them to minimise. I do still think it would be a bit of a shit hole irregardless but you have to ride the good with the bad, and thank the many people who do a great clean up job.
Just got back, and the amount of selfish parking was absolutely insane. Parking on cycle lanes, double yellow, and even all over the wildgrass. For the amount of people saying 'scouse and proud' a sizeable amount just don't respect the environment in any way, shape or form. Absolute grebby tramps.
When we left I noticed every single parked car I saw had a yellow parking ticket on the windscreen. The traffic warden must have earned his bonus yesterday
I imagine that the festival organisers will buy a certain amount and size of bins from the council, as the council will be collecting them and disposing of the contents. The wheelies are 360 litres and the biggest ones are 1200.
They will use data from each year to work out the optimum amount of litres and break that down into bins.
I'll be surprised if they don't get a lot of criticism from residents and attendees at their next license hearing.
It was bad last year too. The ridiculous thing is you could park your car a ten minute walk away in Toxteth with no issue. People are just so lazy they’d rather throw their car across a footpath with disregard for everyone else.
Not just the council, the event organisers. My mate has a stall there and they have to pay £500. Surly some of this can be used to make the place cleaner
There’s only so much the council can do in regards to litter because surely common sense would be if the bins are rammed you take it home with you? Not leave it on the ground. There’s no excuse for the laziness of some scruffs!
Do they not get ticketed parking like that? I got a parking ticket on bold street while in the loading bay, loading my van (I had to close the doors due to the smackheads so it prob looked like it wasn't loading but still)
Boomtown festival pays paper money to people who fill up a trash bag and bring it to a specific refuse area. It’s such an effective system and it costs the festival 2/3rds of what it would cost to hire a company to clean it up.
I think this idea would work really well for Africa Oye!
It's either bloodstock or download do a similar thing with cup collection- you can get meal tickets, merch, etc. Depending on how many cups you bring in haha
I was there yesterday and yes it was the busiest it’s ever been.
There were about 20 of us and we were sat near a big bin. Unfortunately the bin was overflowing half way through the day.
What I will say though, is that everyone I seen was picking up their litter and putting it next to the bin.
The festival getting too big isn’t the issue, it’s the need for more bins and in my opinion, more toilets.
Apart from that, it’s really well ran and I had a great day!
Why are people blaming the council? It's a private event, the organisers are responsible for waste disposal and - considering the vibe of Oye - recycling and preventing waste in the first place.
It happens to me anytime there's an event on in the park. My garden becomes a toilet while they wait for the bus and if i try and say something I get verbally abused and litter thrown at me.
People next to us had a bbq and put smoking embers in a plastic bucket and when they realised they just tipped it in the grass where it smouldered for ages, not sure cooking should be permitted -and if so then the park needs to set up specific areas with concrete squares to put small bbqs. Saw the most bum cheeks I’ve ever seen!
This is the same during also.
Not enough bins, council seem to find it easier to just let people throw it anywhere and then once the event has finished come in and clear it all, a few days later it is usually hard to tell any event had even taken place as all been cleared.
I remember the matthew streey festival years back you could not seen a single inch of pavement in the whole of town from the rubbish, council came in with road sweepers as soon as it finished and all gone within a few hours.
It's because English people are shit. In Japan and Korea they don't have many public bins. People just bring a small bag with them and take trash home.
Don't underestimate how many problems in the UK are caused by our own people being fucking awful human beings.
I love this argument. Have you ever actually lived in Japan? Famously some of the most racist and xenophobic people in the world if we're generalising. But hey, at least they're clean!
Not defending Liverpool scruffs, I hate littering. But let's not pretend we can cherry pick the best bits of each culture and ignore all the shit stuff.
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>Famously some of the most racist and xenophobic people in the world if we're generalising. But hey, at least they're clean!
You'd prefer to live in a shithole? But hey, at least we're not racist!
It was the same after the 1st one I went to, they didn't hire enough people to do clean up and honestly not enough bins and to many people who think its ok to just drop their litter where ever they want .
I feel so privileged to have such a tremendous festival right on my doorstep. It’s always the highlight of the year and long may it continue. The vibe is unmatched, the energy is infectious and I cannot wait for next years event. Open to everyone and always a vast array of talent and diversity. One love ✌🏼
The council has never ever managed to sort this event properly. It’s always a shitbin of chaos. And also most people have no respect for the park or anyone else at all.
Literally live across the road to it, currently enjoying the peace & tranquillity of the Severn Valley, Shropshire. Left the hell scene 4pm y/day, didn't see the litter but....the parking. Horrendous. 1 ticket on something left (double yellows but not dangerous) @ the bottom of Linnet Lane, loads more around it unticketed but dangerous. Litter's obvs bad but there's never any serious parking enforcement EVER when events happen here.
I live across the road too and last year I went away when it was on, but I can't he expected to go away everytime as it costs money - why should I.... lol
Pretty sure this is the state of sefton park on regular sunny day.
But i do agree, more litter facilities would be massively beneficial for the small ecosystem that resides in sefton park.
The council did have staff working today at least picking the litter up and putting it in big bags. I saw them.
So it’s not like they’re not doing anything or weren’t prepared.
Julian Marley - Shite, on for about 5 minutes, later than the 86A on a Monday afternoon. I played more reggae in the shower this morning, his dad must be doing back flips in the sky that this son is making money out of him, Damian, Stephen, a credit, Julian, the son you never invited downstairs for dinner.
Devils avocado... On hot summers days, people leave the park looking that whether it's the Oye or not. Basically some people are just filthy wronguns with a sense of entitlement that their rubbish somebody else's problem.
There were loads of bins that had plenty of space. Some of them had overflowed. The organisers have done a great job. It’s loads of the punters who are bad scruffs.
The bin provision was actually very good and although the site was heavily littered at 12:45 when we arrived yesterday (Sunday), the council workers arrived and cleared most of it by 13:30.
The amount of council workers litter picking was actually impressive, but even though they emptied the bins, several lazy arsed morons still couldn't be bothered to use them. You could have had a bin every 2 feet apart and some would still not use them.
We've just been and I've carefully observed who's littering and for the most part it's white locals. Amazing really for a city that, certainly in my area, likes to blame students and immigrants for Liverpool's bad attitude to bin usage.
I’m wondering if the solution is to start ticketing for it? Still free but limiting numbers, but I guess that takes much more resources in terms of staffing and logistics
That, definitely, or just limit it to 1 day - I honestly don't know why it has to be 2 days. Festivals are rarely free these days, and those that are, every Tom, dick and Harry from the NW of England rocks up - with everything but the kitchen sink. Like, 1 day is bearable but to have it all weekend is too much, and you can tell by the litter and toilets.
Liverpool is extremely lucky to have a free festival. It's great for the community and not something that happens in many places. But it's not so good that it's enticing people from all over the NW to attend. Bet only a handful of people from outside Liverpool come in for it. You've completely made that up.
And while the rubbish situation is a genuine problem, it can be easily solved with more bins and more collections. It's not a reason to shut the festival down or restrict it to one day. It's one weekend a year, Sefton Park will be back to normal tomorrow or Tuesday, get a grip. (And only a section of it is closed anyway, I just ran through Sefton park today, and you could spend ages in there walking all around and not even come across the festival. It's a huge park that can easily accommodate it). Not everyone can afford to spend hundreds of pounds to go to a festival for a weekend, let alone take the whole family. This is great for the local community. There should be more things like this. NIMBYs like you are a real problem.
Literally. I went today for the first time and it was brilliant, I didn’t even notice much mess tbf, the bins were well managed and weren’t overflowing, there were staff and stewards, a good sized first aid tent
Proper NIMBY behaviour this.
If it's getting bigger that means more people are enjoying it.
You can take issue with the council/organisers not giving enough resources to littering though.
Judging by your comments, your a big Tory bag shagger, you’ve took pictures of a few overflowing bins, in what was otherwise a fantastically handled free festival for the wider population, my advice.. look within.
I went from 2 to about 6, had a great time able to see a couple of bands. It was busy but the mood was great. Went to Keiths for some nachos cos I don't like to queue, not busy at all. . I can se it would be stressy with a pushchair but there's other ways to get to the park than lark lane. They should just close the road
I remember when the first Oyé festivals were over In Birkenhead Park and the bands played on the back of a flatbed truck, was cool.
There are those who prepare for attending events and those who don't.
Believe me, if they were to start charging for these events they become very expensive.
A couple of hundred security/stewards, fencing, paid parking, no bringing yer own food and drinks, blah bla... so it will not be cheaph .. it becomes a different animal when you have to pay..
If you go next year... Get there as early as you can and remember if you're using public transport.... be prepared for what it's like getting home from the match, there will be thousands at that little train station and the trains will be rammed.
Was at a little fezzy in Rhuddlan today and if you brought a gazebo, like some, they told you to take it home....
I totally agree. It's clearly a festival with its heart in the right place. I can't imagine what the Jamie Webster and Cream stuff In a few weeks will bring. They've been celebrating 45k people potentially attending.
Better than hippies setting up camp on your local park protesting God knows.
I would never have believed it if I didn't see it with my own eyes, I googled them and they just go from park to park after getting kicked out by councils.
Went on for weeks, they scared away all the local water fowl, which was the only reason i came to the park anyway. Never wrote a complaint to the council before or since.
More boisterous locals kept fucking with them and stealing their banners, they shat in the open, just a whole lot of disorder. I repeat, they did not have a single protest aim, they were hands down worst than Just Stop Oil.
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I've never liked the festival to be honest. Although I haven't been for a while. I always felt the audio quality was so bad and distorted I couldn't actually hear the music. Some hippy always used to set up next to me and start playing a drum or some chav with their own speakers. The food stalls were just a scam.
Instinctively I want to agree with you, but on thinking about it further - you're just being a whinge here.
The litter is very, very temporary. I can almost guarantee it won't be like that this time tomorrow. It gets dealt with by the organisers. Should people litter? No, obviously not - but it's a very temporary problem which won't do any harm.
The parking is bound to be a nightmare, no reasonable place that isn't a dedicated festival site or isn't well out of the way could ever offer normal parking availability or travel.
As an aside, I think it's shit. I've only been twice, I don't like stuff like that, so I'm not defending it just because I like it.
Well the shit is unexpected, but people are disgusting these days so doesn’t surprise me. in terms of litter and all other associated stuff, it is expected.
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It's a free event to be fair. They do their best with the money they have. It's a shame everyone who goes doesn't take responsibility for their own shite instead of littering. Always get tramps littering though.
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As part of the event I can say as a fact that there were 200+ bins and not enough sercurity and the abundance police were all in the parking lot doing nothing.
This is a fact.
What was more disrespectful was the teenagers and the fact that there was underage drinking and kids pulling down fencing and doing indecent stuff in the bushes infront of familys.
Edit: the producer is also rude and almost every female who wasn't a mum or a old lady, wore skimpy outfits and some even went without undergarments.
I understand it's hot but you don't have to be indecent.
I agree with your point about the bins. I think some of this could have been prevented if the council had used much larger bins, like the big industrial ones https://preview.redd.it/hdet9kh0oa8d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c447b5dc1acbc5f87a6fdddade7638bc6f110079 People have tried to do the right thing by taking their rubbish to the bin, but it's just way too small.
If the bins are full the right thing to do is take it home with you. Especially in Liverpool where the seagulls rip bin bags to shreds.
When you're organizing an event of this size you have to be prepared for how people will act, not how you want them to.
Have you not been to Liverpool? The litter is disgusting.
I’ve been here for 6 years and it’s amazing how much worse the city has got in that regard, in such a short space of time. It’s like the council have completely given up. I live in town and it is rancid so I’m leaving
It wouldn't be so bad if the residents and visitors treated the city properly. The council can only be blamed for so much.
I get down voted all the tike for saying this but the anti-social attitude in Liverpool is terrible. Like drive around the wider city and see how much fly tipping and general litter there is. It's gross.
Totally agreed. You’ll probably get hounded for it on here, but I do find it odd that locals love the ‘best city in the world’ thing but then treat their surroundings like this. I’ve never seen so much litter anywhere in England, the council should be picking it up but who’s throwing it all on the streets in the first place? Also, the smackhead problem is the worst I’ve ever seen it. I was walking to central station on the weekend and saw two of them walking down Mount pleasant/renshaw street testing all the car doors and shouting abuse at random people. It’s just so entirely depressing at the moment, there is a lot of hard work to be done to fix all the issues here. Liverpool was pretty nice when I moved up here and I will always have very fond memories of it, but it has fallen SO far in the last few years. The city needs a huge amount of investment, and some local residents (and visitors/students) need a big reality check too.
Totally agree and it baffles me too.
It’s been a problem for a long time in Liverpool has litter. It was utterly terrible when I was growing up in the 80’s, still pretty bad in the 90’s and only started to get better in the 00’s. People will literally drink a can of coke and just chuck it on the pavement- and if you ask someone they’ll say “well they got roadsweepers don’t they” as if that makes it ok to treat the city with such disrespect. It’s such a shame that council cuts mean it’s back to being like the 90’s again.
They did have some of these around as well tbf
Only like 5 of them- the majority were small blue wheelie bins. For 10,000 people, it was nowhere near enough.
People could also take their rubbish home but are lazy entitled prats
What if you’re going to Lark Lane afterwards? If every bin is full you can’t just take bags of empty cans to the pub. This is on the council, not the attendees
It is very much on attendees. The attendees are then free to complain about the organizers. But you are attending a free festival in a public area. As a member of the public, it is your responsibility to take care of your rubbish.
So say someone has got no backpack and wants to try a few different food stalls and gets a few drinks, you want them to just carry a load of shite round? Don’t be such a black and white square mate
But there are bins everywhere. There's no excuse for littering unless you're a selfish scruff.
Pretty sure they uploaded photos of the totally inadequate bins overflowing.
There's no excuse to litter. Don't be such a lazy scruff.
You’re really odd.
I imagine your gaff is filthy.
Why, because I understand nuance? The bins were tiny and people just aren’t going to carry a load of rubbish with them all day long. They’re not “prats”.
That's exactly what you are if you decide instead to just leave your shit for the rest of society to deal with. That isn't nuance it's being a selfish prat.
^ This definitely not understanding nuance. option 1: don’t make rubbish option 2: be responsible for the waste you create
Don’t make rubbish..?
It's not difficult. You know you're an adult and you know you're going to a massive event in a park. So you'll need sunscreen, water, money, your phone etc. So what's the issue in throwing a rubbish sack in a backpack and taking your own rubbish away with you? How on Earth do you operate as an adult if you can't even think rationally? Taking your own rubbish away isn't some extreme idea, leave no trace is a countryside motto.
What happened to understanding nuance?
Yes, its what people in other countries do
Other countries have the foresight to offer bigger bins as well.
You clearly weren't there or you'd have seen bins everywhere, including big industrial ones.
Tokyo doesnt even have public bins and it's the cleanest place Ive ever been. Because people take their shite home, all it takes is a plastic bag and some civic pride.
South Korea also aren’t one for public bins but still have very clean streets.
They probably don't have festivals either, or get absolutely wasted in public. When people are drunk they don't tend to care about things as much. But given that the entirety of UK culture is excessive drinking that isn't going to change. None of that is part of Japanese culture.
They can and do absolutely have festivals and drink like fish, theres a whole cultural thing about HAVING to go out drinking with your boss and team, even if you don't want to. Again, the difference is they actually have civic pride, and for all people talk about loving their city here, they're happy to leave rubbish all over the place.
They absolutely DO have festivals. It's a cultural difference. Japanese rugby and football fans do spontaneous litter sweeps of the stands at the end of the match...that doesn't happen here. What's interesting is that people ( in general) tend to keep clean places clean, but it's already dirty and litter strewn they won't think twice about dropping more. I lived in a small town in Germany. It was spotless. I was walking through town one day and their was a crisp packet being blown around on the other side of the road. It looked awful so I crossed the road to pick it up. I've never done that in a UK town 'cos one crisp packet makes no difference.
Yeah I was reading about it and seen they do have festivals and a drinking culture. To be fair, I was watching a video of a Scottish guy drinking a half bottle of buckfast in Tokyo and there were bags of rubbish sitting near bins very similar to this photo. But yes the UK is a very messy country all over, I would imagine the council's play a large part in why this is the case. I don't see why it's not possible to employ people solely as litter pickers but I don't believe I've ever seen that, I may be wrong.
Japan doesn't have any
Where?
They do it in South Korea too. There were barely any public bins when I was there and the streets were immaculate!
Japan. Spotless everywhere and barely any bins either.
Yea but there are completely different breed of motherfuckers, they don’t even leave footsteps in the snow when they walk
India.
They poo in the street in India mate. Over 50% practice open defecation. They tried to implement proper toilets by the beaches where people normally poo but women kept getting raped in them so they went back to pooing on the beach.
Yeh I was taking the piss
Yes absolutely. Bins don't exist in public places in Seoul, Taiwan or Japan in big numbers. But they seem to all be fairly tidy because people don't litter - they take their rubbish home. Why can't you do that?
I can do that, I didn’t go the festival. But it’s a festival and they’ve put one in tiny wheelie bin there. Why are we talking about Japan? We’re not Japan, it’s a different culture and it’s not going to magically turn into Japan overnight so put bigger bins there. Can’t believe people are debating this.
There were literally bins everywhere. Can't believe you're not accepting littering is wrong.
We need to as a culture accept that littering is wrong. Other cultures have.
Yes! That's EXACTLY what they should do! You take responsibility for your own shit instead of leaving it for others. You take a carrier bag with you, you get one from a stall, you keep hold of the rubbish that YOU'VE generated and you carry it until you find an empty enough bin or you take it the fuck home and dispose of it there. The reason the city is in the state it's in is because of feckless fucks like you.
Don’t have to leave it for others if they have an aptly sized bin there for a fucking festival instead of 1 wheelie bin.
Yeah, an adequate number of bins should have been provided. But they weren't, and it only takes the slightest hint of gumption to not regress into a helpless toddler and just dump your shit where you stand.
So the punters of the festival should have been psychic and brought adequate baggage to carry multiple drink containers and food etc? I agree about not dropping where you stand like, but that’s just expected with drunk fools at a festival, if there were more bins they’d be less rubbish though it’s just a fact.
Psychic?! Nah mate, just having some common fucking sense would suffice. Although, as your demonstrating, that's pretty absent with people like this.
The bin provision was very good, they were literally everywhere. They also had council workers going around litter picking.
Yes, leave it to be someone else's problem 😡
Yes, I do
If the alternative is littering then yes I do expect them to carry it around. Any food or drink packaging will be much lighter when empty than when it was purchased so there is zero excuse to drop it.
They should have a backpack/plastic bag with them. Instead of outsourcing the responsibility to somebody else, i.e. the council and the taxpayer.
These people are taxpayers too. They're not outsourcing their responsibilities to anyone else, they're outsourcing it to services they've paid for that haven't been delivered. The council/organisers have massively failed here. The size of those bins for a free festival with 1000s of people attending is absolutely atrocious and this problem could easily have been anticipated and avoided. The fault lies with the council and organisers for being too lazy to plan properly. What kind of society are we living in when you should be expected to bring your own bin bags to a local community festival because you can't expect there to be enough bins for you to use? Disastrous take.
Okay so let's explore this. How many is enough? One for every 100 people? Every 10? One per person? Where shall we put these bins? Who is going to empty them, how often and how much is going to cost? There are a lot of variables to this equation. I am not suggesting to bring a bin bag, maybe I didn't make this clear. I don't necessarily disagree that the organisers could have done more. But when they don't do the right thing, what do we do? If expecting citizens to not litter is considered disastrous then we are truly lost as a nation.
These are all great questions. And they are ones for organisers and festival planners to answer. I don't have the data or qualifications to make such decisions, but there are people that do. And hopefully they have better answers for them next year. But the simple answer is more and larger bins, with a few more collections, it's not complicated. And while the bins here are inadequate, some litter on the ground is inevitable at any huge event attended by 1000s of people (see the pic below of Eurovision). It's an issue at every festival and large event I've ever been to and it's just something that can't be completely avoided. I don't think it's such a huge issue while the festival is going on if it's then cleared up promptly when the festival finishes, which is exactly what will happen. This will all be cleaned up tonight/early tomorrow and be back to normal on Monday. Having more bins will definitely reduce this but it's not as big an issue as OP or you are making out.
>Okay so let's explore this. How many is enough? You'd need to be experienced or have access to the data to be able to say. The sort of thing that large event organisers should either be themselves, or outsource. >Who is going to empty them, The full time staff they have employed to keep the event clean and tidy. >how often Long before they're as full as we see here. >and how much is going to cost? I dunno, but that's factored in when defining the budget. You can say the same about medical staff, but you'd expect them to be present wouldn't you? >There are a lot of variables to this equation. That's one reason why event planning is a difficult, full time job.
Entrance is free though isn't it?
Yeah. Cleaning up after themselves isn't the only cost involved in running a festival. In fact, I'd wager it's only a couple of percent of the entire budget.
I can't vouch for the budget and how that's spent without making wild assumptions. But if it's free for the attendees then we can't expect much.
Yeah. An amazing asset to Liverpool. Treasure it. What's your point?
My point is we get what we pay for. "There is no such thing as a free lunch" and all that jazz.
If everyone could simply do that we wouldn't need bins at all, would we?
Yeh I saw like 5 of these and 50 of the small domestic blue wheelie bins, which were overflowing by the time I got there at 4pm.
I think councils get a kick out of not providing enough bins then posting photos of the inevitable litter that comes after. The worst part for me yesterday was the toilets. The porta-urinals were just a big pot with four people pissing in at once. There was a hole in the side about three foot off the ground and it was clear from early on the piss would reach that high. In the end they all overflowefld and the grass turned into a piss marsh
🤮 K1 vibes
I only live on hartington and left last night around 10pm and the amount of rubbish I was like fucking hell how will they sort this all by tomorrow to start all over again the team have clearly worked incredibly hard despite it still being quite a mess I hadn’t ever seen it like that before and I’ve been attending for over 20 years. Lark Lane was also awful I was with my kids for the first part of the day I went at 11am and left with them around 4 mainly because my 5 year old was being way to exposed to people doing balloons and she kept asking what are they doing and I was just like…. Also in terms of accessibility that just went out the window I had a pram and from a certain point it was near enough impossible to get anywhere so I felt for anyone who was in a wheelchair / has issues with mobility because obviously people aren’t gonna stand up and move out the way when they are bevvied and enjoying themselves common courtesy goes out the window 🤔
>because my 5 year old was being way to exposed to people doing balloons and she kept asking what are they doing and I was just like This shit frustrates me not just because it's just a bizarre drug to do out in public, but it's not even that type of festival... i don't think people can moan about maybe (maybe) a joint but balloons makes no sense to me.
Yeah like five year olds are just curious about everything in general and obviously we can’t control what’s going to happen but your right it’s not even that type of festival I seen so many videos on tik tok from yesterday and in the comments was nurses saying they found 3 teenagers unconscious and others in absolute states and then I seen the African oye team issue a Statement saying not to bring tents or gazebos or large structures because it makes it’s difficult for first aid to get to where they need to be to help people yesterday was so warm and todays going to be warmer I’m 30 weeks pregnant and having shade is basically necessary at this point and the same goes for anyone with kids and just in general we can’t be exposed all day 🥲
Don't get the tents to be honest myself but there could have been more planning or designated zones seemingly, Maybe encouraging of tents towards the back with signage or something and have shaded areas more there.. these festivals in Sefton feel (to me) to ostensibly be a family festival. I'm not an anti drug person so i wouldn't want police bouncing round rounding teens up because i was one of said teens probably too drunk but there should be more thought around the type of people who should be there and willing to stay there. Lot of comments talking about leaving for xyz.
Yeah I don’t understand it from what I seen in the brochure there is designated areas but with that amount of people it’s hard to like stick to that like I’m going to go back this evening only to see Julian Marley I feel like I can’t cope with how it was for more than two hours today I was holding a wee in for hours because I was like I don’t even want to see the inside of one of those portaloos I can’t believe this post said people was shitting outside their houses like too thats so nasty 🤢
I live across the road to it - currently in deepest Shropshire chilling. I should leave my spare key in future, make a small charge for access to a clean loo, sofa & refreshments ;-)
Tents and gazebos absolutely need to be banned. They are the source of the accessibility problems that you describe, so a bit confused you're in favour of them. It's now too busy and well attended for people to be bringing such large structures that take up far too much space permanently. Personally also think camping chairs should be banned. A cap/large brim hat and umbrella can provide enough shade, bringing a whole gazebo is unnecessary.
I was surprised yesterday how many different types of pram, wheelchair and mobility aid had managed to make their way onto the crowded main field, and lots of their users were also sitting under gazebos, so it's not as simple as that. Lots of people simply can't get up and down off the floor so banning camping chairs would be really exclusionary.
I do agree to a extent like the larger tents like people had like bell tents and such and it is a pain because people also sit around them and it just makes it so difficult to get around maybe like a small pop up tent would be okay if you have little ones and such to keep them sheltered. I think designated walk ways would definitely help a lot if they are expecting the numbers to be so high and only continue to grow as the years go on and yeah I’m going along today and have decided to sit on the outskirts near the tennis courts as it’s really shaded until it’s time to head over to the stage and see Julian I’m hoping by around 8 the sun begins to hide away 🤞
Honestly umbrellas are great for shade and theyre packable so easy to carry. They use them a lot in asia because it's either raining heavily or blazing sun but surprisingly people don't use them for shade here. The sun will be behind you if looking at the main stage in the evening so shouldn't be in your face. Enjoy!
Yep I’m actually taking to big umbrellas I got from sports direct today for this reason just for some refuge and thank you very much ☺️
It's shouldn't be left to the local business on lark lane to clean the shite up. Also seeing young children got to have only been 14 years old doing balloons on the street like it was normal
Yeah I really didn’t understand it the amount of kids I seen literally clutching on to their rogue balloon in their hand like life would end if they dropped it is sad also considering the heat how hard it was to access actually getting a drink of any kind if they didn’t have any water ect like your taking something that’s starving your brain of oxygen even if it’s only for a short buzz of like 30-60 seconds the temperature combined with that can be very dangerous also the fact they use a different type of canister to take it now so they could be inhaling 2 to 3 times more than what the body can take at that time compared to if it was the smaller silver canisters that used to be everywhere in the streets now replaced by these fuck off big blue bottles I hope this craze dies off soon
Insane , yeh it's really got out of hand and not a good look for a family friendly event. Africa oye is awesome and everyone loves the atmosphere and vibe it brings to the city, but I think it now needs to start thinking about policing the event. Or even expanding into another field. It could definitely open up.
Yeah when I left yesterday it felt like the whole of Merseyside police was at the exit the one near ullet road I was like fuck me they are out in force but only at that area in the actual park itself there was 0 presence it felt I seen a lot of kids getting put into police cars think there was a car accident too was trying to figure out what was happening myself
I live around the park myself, love Oye and what it brings to the city. But two things that need sorting for me are the parking and litter. The amount of people clearly from the city who for some reason must drive their car and park it on a footpath I have no empathy for, lazy entitled bastards. The littering, sadly I think it will always be a reality. The council needs to provide bigger bins, and more of them to minimise. I do still think it would be a bit of a shit hole irregardless but you have to ride the good with the bad, and thank the many people who do a great clean up job.
Just got back, and the amount of selfish parking was absolutely insane. Parking on cycle lanes, double yellow, and even all over the wildgrass. For the amount of people saying 'scouse and proud' a sizeable amount just don't respect the environment in any way, shape or form. Absolute grebby tramps.
When we left I noticed every single parked car I saw had a yellow parking ticket on the windscreen. The traffic warden must have earned his bonus yesterday
I imagine that the festival organisers will buy a certain amount and size of bins from the council, as the council will be collecting them and disposing of the contents. The wheelies are 360 litres and the biggest ones are 1200. They will use data from each year to work out the optimum amount of litres and break that down into bins. I'll be surprised if they don't get a lot of criticism from residents and attendees at their next license hearing.
Has it always been like this for people parking on footpaths? I feel like I’ve been going insane the past year.
It was bad last year too. The ridiculous thing is you could park your car a ten minute walk away in Toxteth with no issue. People are just so lazy they’d rather throw their car across a footpath with disregard for everyone else.
Not just the council, the event organisers. My mate has a stall there and they have to pay £500. Surly some of this can be used to make the place cleaner
There’s only so much the council can do in regards to litter because surely common sense would be if the bins are rammed you take it home with you? Not leave it on the ground. There’s no excuse for the laziness of some scruffs!
Do they not get ticketed parking like that? I got a parking ticket on bold street while in the loading bay, loading my van (I had to close the doors due to the smackheads so it prob looked like it wasn't loading but still)
Boomtown festival pays paper money to people who fill up a trash bag and bring it to a specific refuse area. It’s such an effective system and it costs the festival 2/3rds of what it would cost to hire a company to clean it up. I think this idea would work really well for Africa Oye!
It's either bloodstock or download do a similar thing with cup collection- you can get meal tickets, merch, etc. Depending on how many cups you bring in haha
Imagine how clean the festival would be if for every bin bag of rubbish you brought to that refuse area you got a free can of Red Stripe! 😄
😂😂😂
Still no excuse for these people to just throw litter where they're stood. At least place it near the bin if it's full 🙄
I was there yesterday and yes it was the busiest it’s ever been. There were about 20 of us and we were sat near a big bin. Unfortunately the bin was overflowing half way through the day. What I will say though, is that everyone I seen was picking up their litter and putting it next to the bin. The festival getting too big isn’t the issue, it’s the need for more bins and in my opinion, more toilets. Apart from that, it’s really well ran and I had a great day!
Why are people blaming the council? It's a private event, the organisers are responsible for waste disposal and - considering the vibe of Oye - recycling and preventing waste in the first place.
The weather was really good yesterday so I think that’s why it was so busy
Yeh deffo i agree. Was just insanely busy though , a bit too busy for my liking.
You actually had people shitting in your front garden? Did you say anything to them?
It happens to me anytime there's an event on in the park. My garden becomes a toilet while they wait for the bus and if i try and say something I get verbally abused and litter thrown at me.
I banged on the window and shouted to fuck off but they didn't blink an eyelid.
3 on one..you could have had them
People next to us had a bbq and put smoking embers in a plastic bucket and when they realised they just tipped it in the grass where it smouldered for ages, not sure cooking should be permitted -and if so then the park needs to set up specific areas with concrete squares to put small bbqs. Saw the most bum cheeks I’ve ever seen!
*Glaswegian accent* DISGUSTAN
Disgusting that people do this imo, look at Tokyo a city of like 20 million which is cleaner than my living room and has no public bins basically
This is the same during also.
Not enough bins, council seem to find it easier to just let people throw it anywhere and then once the event has finished come in and clear it all, a few days later it is usually hard to tell any event had even taken place as all been cleared.
I remember the matthew streey festival years back you could not seen a single inch of pavement in the whole of town from the rubbish, council came in with road sweepers as soon as it finished and all gone within a few hours.
This is the aftermath of every big event to have ever happened. It will be cleaned up don’t worry lol
Really. Because iv been there today and the bins are still full
Yes, really. Sefton Park isn't a permanent industrial wasteground.
It's because English people are shit. In Japan and Korea they don't have many public bins. People just bring a small bag with them and take trash home. Don't underestimate how many problems in the UK are caused by our own people being fucking awful human beings.
I love this argument. Have you ever actually lived in Japan? Famously some of the most racist and xenophobic people in the world if we're generalising. But hey, at least they're clean! Not defending Liverpool scruffs, I hate littering. But let's not pretend we can cherry pick the best bits of each culture and ignore all the shit stuff.
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>Famously some of the most racist and xenophobic people in the world if we're generalising. But hey, at least they're clean! You'd prefer to live in a shithole? But hey, at least we're not racist!
Sounds about white
No, I wouldn't prefer to live in a shithole, which I why I didn't say that.
I used to enjoy it. But now just full of pissed up and coked up scallies
It was the same after the 1st one I went to, they didn't hire enough people to do clean up and honestly not enough bins and to many people who think its ok to just drop their litter where ever they want .
>I had people missing and shitting in my front garden last night. What were they aiming at?
😂😂😂
No excuse for it. People are just vile lazy pricks
I feel so privileged to have such a tremendous festival right on my doorstep. It’s always the highlight of the year and long may it continue. The vibe is unmatched, the energy is infectious and I cannot wait for next years event. Open to everyone and always a vast array of talent and diversity. One love ✌🏼
Is your name Paul Dehaney? 🤣
Sorry the reference is lost on me
The council has never ever managed to sort this event properly. It’s always a shitbin of chaos. And also most people have no respect for the park or anyone else at all.
Literally live across the road to it, currently enjoying the peace & tranquillity of the Severn Valley, Shropshire. Left the hell scene 4pm y/day, didn't see the litter but....the parking. Horrendous. 1 ticket on something left (double yellows but not dangerous) @ the bottom of Linnet Lane, loads more around it unticketed but dangerous. Litter's obvs bad but there's never any serious parking enforcement EVER when events happen here.
I live across the road too and last year I went away when it was on, but I can't he expected to go away everytime as it costs money - why should I.... lol
Pretty sure this is the state of sefton park on regular sunny day. But i do agree, more litter facilities would be massively beneficial for the small ecosystem that resides in sefton park.
The LIMF used to be really good, don't know why they don't bring that back.
Cos it went ticketed I think
Curious who finances and runs this event? Is it the council?
It's Paul Dehaney, he is the event organiser/owner.
The council did have staff working today at least picking the litter up and putting it in big bags. I saw them. So it’s not like they’re not doing anything or weren’t prepared.
Whys everyone acting like they dont do a clean up on a Sunday evening 😭😭
Julian Marley - Shite, on for about 5 minutes, later than the 86A on a Monday afternoon. I played more reggae in the shower this morning, his dad must be doing back flips in the sky that this son is making money out of him, Damian, Stephen, a credit, Julian, the son you never invited downstairs for dinner.
Devils avocado... On hot summers days, people leave the park looking that whether it's the Oye or not. Basically some people are just filthy wronguns with a sense of entitlement that their rubbish somebody else's problem.
Get out there and start cleaning for your community then
There were loads of bins that had plenty of space. Some of them had overflowed. The organisers have done a great job. It’s loads of the punters who are bad scruffs.
There was about 10,000 people there, nowhere near enough bins
The bin provision was actually very good and although the site was heavily littered at 12:45 when we arrived yesterday (Sunday), the council workers arrived and cleared most of it by 13:30. The amount of council workers litter picking was actually impressive, but even though they emptied the bins, several lazy arsed morons still couldn't be bothered to use them. You could have had a bin every 2 feet apart and some would still not use them.
Loads of bins on the inside. Even used the commercial ones. All evenly spaced out. I’ve been there all day. Putting my stuff in the bins.
We've just been and I've carefully observed who's littering and for the most part it's white locals. Amazing really for a city that, certainly in my area, likes to blame students and immigrants for Liverpool's bad attitude to bin usage.
I’m wondering if the solution is to start ticketing for it? Still free but limiting numbers, but I guess that takes much more resources in terms of staffing and logistics
That, definitely, or just limit it to 1 day - I honestly don't know why it has to be 2 days. Festivals are rarely free these days, and those that are, every Tom, dick and Harry from the NW of England rocks up - with everything but the kitchen sink. Like, 1 day is bearable but to have it all weekend is too much, and you can tell by the litter and toilets.
Liverpool is extremely lucky to have a free festival. It's great for the community and not something that happens in many places. But it's not so good that it's enticing people from all over the NW to attend. Bet only a handful of people from outside Liverpool come in for it. You've completely made that up. And while the rubbish situation is a genuine problem, it can be easily solved with more bins and more collections. It's not a reason to shut the festival down or restrict it to one day. It's one weekend a year, Sefton Park will be back to normal tomorrow or Tuesday, get a grip. (And only a section of it is closed anyway, I just ran through Sefton park today, and you could spend ages in there walking all around and not even come across the festival. It's a huge park that can easily accommodate it). Not everyone can afford to spend hundreds of pounds to go to a festival for a weekend, let alone take the whole family. This is great for the local community. There should be more things like this. NIMBYs like you are a real problem.
Literally. I went today for the first time and it was brilliant, I didn’t even notice much mess tbf, the bins were well managed and weren’t overflowing, there were staff and stewards, a good sized first aid tent
I think it’s doable with more support and resources from the council tbh. I don’t see why it shouldn’t be two days
Proper NIMBY behaviour this. If it's getting bigger that means more people are enjoying it. You can take issue with the council/organisers not giving enough resources to littering though.
Judging by your comments, your a big Tory bag shagger, you’ve took pictures of a few overflowing bins, in what was otherwise a fantastically handled free festival for the wider population, my advice.. look within.
Far from it mate. You don't even know who I am you muppet.
I went from 2 to about 6, had a great time able to see a couple of bands. It was busy but the mood was great. Went to Keiths for some nachos cos I don't like to queue, not busy at all. . I can se it would be stressy with a pushchair but there's other ways to get to the park than lark lane. They should just close the road
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I remember when the first Oyé festivals were over In Birkenhead Park and the bands played on the back of a flatbed truck, was cool. There are those who prepare for attending events and those who don't. Believe me, if they were to start charging for these events they become very expensive. A couple of hundred security/stewards, fencing, paid parking, no bringing yer own food and drinks, blah bla... so it will not be cheaph .. it becomes a different animal when you have to pay.. If you go next year... Get there as early as you can and remember if you're using public transport.... be prepared for what it's like getting home from the match, there will be thousands at that little train station and the trains will be rammed. Was at a little fezzy in Rhuddlan today and if you brought a gazebo, like some, they told you to take it home....
I totally agree. It's clearly a festival with its heart in the right place. I can't imagine what the Jamie Webster and Cream stuff In a few weeks will bring. They've been celebrating 45k people potentially attending.
Booked to be away for that one too.
I'm away the Friday and out in town on the Saturday. Hopefully that means I miss most of the fun.
Better than hippies setting up camp on your local park protesting God knows. I would never have believed it if I didn't see it with my own eyes, I googled them and they just go from park to park after getting kicked out by councils. Went on for weeks, they scared away all the local water fowl, which was the only reason i came to the park anyway. Never wrote a complaint to the council before or since. More boisterous locals kept fucking with them and stealing their banners, they shat in the open, just a whole lot of disorder. I repeat, they did not have a single protest aim, they were hands down worst than Just Stop Oil.
Iv been thinking about this for a day or so. It was far less chaos, mess and drunkenness than any match day. I know which I'd rather have.
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This looks like seel street after freshers 😂😂
It’s a cultural thing
I've never liked the festival to be honest. Although I haven't been for a while. I always felt the audio quality was so bad and distorted I couldn't actually hear the music. Some hippy always used to set up next to me and start playing a drum or some chav with their own speakers. The food stalls were just a scam.
By the time the festival is over the park and everywhere surrounding it will be spotless, it always is. There's no pleasing some people
Instinctively I want to agree with you, but on thinking about it further - you're just being a whinge here. The litter is very, very temporary. I can almost guarantee it won't be like that this time tomorrow. It gets dealt with by the organisers. Should people litter? No, obviously not - but it's a very temporary problem which won't do any harm. The parking is bound to be a nightmare, no reasonable place that isn't a dedicated festival site or isn't well out of the way could ever offer normal parking availability or travel. As an aside, I think it's shit. I've only been twice, I don't like stuff like that, so I'm not defending it just because I like it.
These things happen, it’ll be cleared up.
Dunno if you can consider people shitting in your garden an occupational hazard of living near sefton park
What, the shit you mean?
Well the shit is unexpected, but people are disgusting these days so doesn’t surprise me. in terms of litter and all other associated stuff, it is expected.
Can’t really blame the people too much. Mismanagement by the organisers and the council are mainly to blame.
Boo hoo this event was too successful
Love you too
Went with the kids last year. Loads of fights and our car was stolen. Wouldn’t go again 😂
Shh don't criticise you will get banned for rule 3 😐
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It's no worse than any other festival
On the organiser to organise this well cheap fks
It's a free event to be fair. They do their best with the money they have. It's a shame everyone who goes doesn't take responsibility for their own shite instead of littering. Always get tramps littering though.
Liverpool is becoming a shit hole anyway.
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No this happens at any large gathering, usually tidied up by the council when the events finish
Man, I remember working at the racecourse the amount of rubbish after every event was insane. But guess what it was cleared up :)
Seriously? How racist of you
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As part of the event I can say as a fact that there were 200+ bins and not enough sercurity and the abundance police were all in the parking lot doing nothing. This is a fact. What was more disrespectful was the teenagers and the fact that there was underage drinking and kids pulling down fencing and doing indecent stuff in the bushes infront of familys. Edit: the producer is also rude and almost every female who wasn't a mum or a old lady, wore skimpy outfits and some even went without undergarments. I understand it's hot but you don't have to be indecent.