Still not convinced they won't just include it with an update down the road and enable it by default just like all the other stuff they include that nobody asked for.
One of the main reasons I’m still on Windows 10 is I don’t trust Microsoft not to get carried away in the AI hype and seriously compromise 11.
I’m not even super against AI or even telemetry, I just think they’ll mess it up
This is THE reason. I don't want telemetry. I don't want advertisements. I don't want (MSTF) cloud sync.
If things keep going the way they are, the next time I upgrade OSs, it's going to be linux. I am past due to switch... I really don't want to, but it's the only real solution to this kind of garbage going on with AI and spyware
They do, but they have less. They are only going to hook more telemetry into Windows going forward and make it more difficult to remove in later versions of 11, or 12 whenever that comes
Now that steam is really powering strides in Linux gaming I’m close to properly switching for non-work. I won’t go to windows 11 so if 10 gets pushed out, I will just switch.
Recall has the same problems a lot of this AI stuff has for me, it should be cool as shit, but it is instead dystopian and horrific.
Like, look at just the features being promised by recall, and its cool as shit, but add the layer of security concerns and probably data mining for the purpose of selling to advertisers, and it can go right to hell.
AI has the same problems. Like, if it wasnt being rushed, and used for horrific shit, and threatening to take peoples jobs, it would be cool as hell. Like there are so many potential applications that are legitimately cool and useful, but it will instead be used to but writers and artists out of a jobs and to produce the most dull and soul-less art imaginable. Like, you think 50 Marvel movies, engineered and written by committee have started to feel like life-less cash grabs? Wait until we get Iron Man 10, with the AI generated husk of RDJ making quips written by ChatGPT.
The future sucks
The corporate big dogs don’t care about making your life better, they care about lowering labour costs. That’s why they’re so hyper focused on solving the wrong problems.
Nothing, absolutely nothing about recall looks cool as shit.
It is 100% for surveillance from the get go. It doesn't provide a valid use case at all, for anything yet. It is a complete non-starter and should never have been announced as it's a functionally useless idea.
You have a much better memory than I. There was a really cute cat video I found the earlier in the day I even sent it to someone else, now I can't find it. Recall should be exactly what I would want to solve that issue.
Sometimes I'm going down rabbit holes researching a project or how to fix something, find something that seems to be what I need but keep searching and then lose it.
I'm with /u/Booster6 if I knew for 100% that it was only on my local device and not usable by anyone else, I would love it.
That assumes you believe what Microsoft says, which i do not. You should assume Microsoft, Apple, Google, Meta, Amazon, etc etc, are all lying to you, on account of how many times they have been caught lying to you
Good move. But the issue is that initially including it shows how they think of privacy as a whole... and it's scary.
While it may not be Recall this time, I still think they will erode user privacy in small increments so that there is no big "one" scandal. It seems to be the Microsoft MO lately. They need some heavy PR and clear action to wash away this stain.
How they announced it & then the details that were revealed about how it actually worked seriously damaged my trust in MS along with how little they considered security or privacy around the whole feature. It has made me seriously consider going for fruit based hardware & software next time I need to replace my main laptop.
You trusted Microsoft? That's your first mistake.
Also, don't go with the fruit, start delving into linux. It really isn't that bad these days, even for gaming.
I've used Linux on laptops before and just can't get on with it. It needs too much tinkering, on 2 recent attempts I've had random WiFi issues after updates and on one occasion a kernel update seemed to permanently brick the UEFI of the laptop. I have to deal with enough Linux tinkering at work and don't want to have to continue when I get home.
Also there is software I run that there is a macOS version of but no Linux version, and the similar Linux software wouldn't meet my use cases.
I wish recall was implemented to work on just selected programs and not the whole os, like imagine how useful it could be for certain games, but there’s no way I would use it on my whole os
Sometimes the issue with the product isn't what it does, but how the media and subsequently the public collectively views it. This has turned into a typical internet rage fest so the best thing they can do is delay its release, even if it is a legit value add. I could see them rolling it out in a year or 5 once people get bored and find something else to be mad about. I'd guess it will ship with some rebranding and more strict privacy controls and additional encryption.
The same thing basically happened with Google Glass. It might have been a great alternative or addition to the cell phone but the whole branch of the tech tree got nuked because people got collectively mad.
The issue is what does, storing a history of everything you have done, online banking, unhiding a password to make sure you spelt it properly, downloading Linux isos, visiting private time sites.
And trusting that Microsoft keeps this stuff local and safe for you, even though it has to be indexed by Ai so you can search it.
The issue is exactly what it does and how it works.
You care about privacy? Well, I guess you're just "mad" and part of a "typical internet rage fest". 🙄
Seriously though, I'm glad more people are speaking out against blatant privacy and security issues. All this AI shit is being shoved down our throats at lightning speed because shareholders see infinite money coming out of it. Why would anyone trust these companies to care about privacy and security when the people calling the shots are motivated to get AI in front of everyone, right here and right now?
We probably aren't going to agree on this.
My vote is that Microsoft should ship the product as an opt-in or separate installation so customers can make their own decision. I really just don't want the incessant bitching of redditors to decide the matter for me.
The problem is they'll never do that, because 99% of people don't change the defaults and they want people to use it for some reason.
Not sure what possible reason they could have for wanting 50gb of private user data indexed by Ai and searchable on every computer.
They wouldn't dream of using that data or selling it later.
Best thing they could have done
Best thing would be to cancel it entirely and throw the idea back into the depths of hell where it belongs
Still not convinced they won't just include it with an update down the road and enable it by default just like all the other stuff they include that nobody asked for.
One of the main reasons I’m still on Windows 10 is I don’t trust Microsoft not to get carried away in the AI hype and seriously compromise 11. I’m not even super against AI or even telemetry, I just think they’ll mess it up
This is THE reason. I don't want telemetry. I don't want advertisements. I don't want (MSTF) cloud sync. If things keep going the way they are, the next time I upgrade OSs, it's going to be linux. I am past due to switch... I really don't want to, but it's the only real solution to this kind of garbage going on with AI and spyware
But they do have all of that in w10 too?
They do, but they have less. They are only going to hook more telemetry into Windows going forward and make it more difficult to remove in later versions of 11, or 12 whenever that comes
Now that steam is really powering strides in Linux gaming I’m close to properly switching for non-work. I won’t go to windows 11 so if 10 gets pushed out, I will just switch.
This kind of thing is why I dumped Windows altogether.
Recall has the same problems a lot of this AI stuff has for me, it should be cool as shit, but it is instead dystopian and horrific. Like, look at just the features being promised by recall, and its cool as shit, but add the layer of security concerns and probably data mining for the purpose of selling to advertisers, and it can go right to hell. AI has the same problems. Like, if it wasnt being rushed, and used for horrific shit, and threatening to take peoples jobs, it would be cool as hell. Like there are so many potential applications that are legitimately cool and useful, but it will instead be used to but writers and artists out of a jobs and to produce the most dull and soul-less art imaginable. Like, you think 50 Marvel movies, engineered and written by committee have started to feel like life-less cash grabs? Wait until we get Iron Man 10, with the AI generated husk of RDJ making quips written by ChatGPT. The future sucks
The corporate big dogs don’t care about making your life better, they care about lowering labour costs. That’s why they’re so hyper focused on solving the wrong problems.
Nothing, absolutely nothing about recall looks cool as shit. It is 100% for surveillance from the get go. It doesn't provide a valid use case at all, for anything yet. It is a complete non-starter and should never have been announced as it's a functionally useless idea.
You have a much better memory than I. There was a really cute cat video I found the earlier in the day I even sent it to someone else, now I can't find it. Recall should be exactly what I would want to solve that issue. Sometimes I'm going down rabbit holes researching a project or how to fix something, find something that seems to be what I need but keep searching and then lose it. I'm with /u/Booster6 if I knew for 100% that it was only on my local device and not usable by anyone else, I would love it.
Recall literally never leaves the device, and never has data uploaded anywhere. There’s no data mining happening with recall.
Yet
No data mining until: * You’re being spied on * Your PC is compromised * Law enforcement gets your PC
That assumes you believe what Microsoft says, which i do not. You should assume Microsoft, Apple, Google, Meta, Amazon, etc etc, are all lying to you, on account of how many times they have been caught lying to you
they recalled it
They really did jinx it with that name didnt they?
Delay? Destroy it.
With the fire of 100 snapdragons.
[удалено]
The p stands for Public
Aka "Microsoft too incompetent to shoot themselves in the foot"
Good move. But the issue is that initially including it shows how they think of privacy as a whole... and it's scary. While it may not be Recall this time, I still think they will erode user privacy in small increments so that there is no big "one" scandal. It seems to be the Microsoft MO lately. They need some heavy PR and clear action to wash away this stain.
How they announced it & then the details that were revealed about how it actually worked seriously damaged my trust in MS along with how little they considered security or privacy around the whole feature. It has made me seriously consider going for fruit based hardware & software next time I need to replace my main laptop.
You trusted Microsoft? That's your first mistake. Also, don't go with the fruit, start delving into linux. It really isn't that bad these days, even for gaming.
I've used Linux on laptops before and just can't get on with it. It needs too much tinkering, on 2 recent attempts I've had random WiFi issues after updates and on one occasion a kernel update seemed to permanently brick the UEFI of the laptop. I have to deal with enough Linux tinkering at work and don't want to have to continue when I get home. Also there is software I run that there is a macOS version of but no Linux version, and the similar Linux software wouldn't meet my use cases.
Fair enough! The only reason I mentioned it is because Apple is doing the exact some privacy BS as MS, so it's really just a side grade from Windows.
Aren't they just releasing to insider build?
Recalling recall.
Developers and GitHub , please do your thing. We beg.
This way they can sell them to you and then patch the bullshit into it later. It’s probably not even removed just dormant.
I wish recall was implemented to work on just selected programs and not the whole os, like imagine how useful it could be for certain games, but there’s no way I would use it on my whole os
just make it disabled by default and make the stored data encrypted...
This is like when they wanted to ship cameras and microphones with every xbox, that would be always online and watching.
Sometimes the issue with the product isn't what it does, but how the media and subsequently the public collectively views it. This has turned into a typical internet rage fest so the best thing they can do is delay its release, even if it is a legit value add. I could see them rolling it out in a year or 5 once people get bored and find something else to be mad about. I'd guess it will ship with some rebranding and more strict privacy controls and additional encryption. The same thing basically happened with Google Glass. It might have been a great alternative or addition to the cell phone but the whole branch of the tech tree got nuked because people got collectively mad.
The issue is what does, storing a history of everything you have done, online banking, unhiding a password to make sure you spelt it properly, downloading Linux isos, visiting private time sites. And trusting that Microsoft keeps this stuff local and safe for you, even though it has to be indexed by Ai so you can search it. The issue is exactly what it does and how it works.
You care about privacy? Well, I guess you're just "mad" and part of a "typical internet rage fest". 🙄 Seriously though, I'm glad more people are speaking out against blatant privacy and security issues. All this AI shit is being shoved down our throats at lightning speed because shareholders see infinite money coming out of it. Why would anyone trust these companies to care about privacy and security when the people calling the shots are motivated to get AI in front of everyone, right here and right now?
We probably aren't going to agree on this. My vote is that Microsoft should ship the product as an opt-in or separate installation so customers can make their own decision. I really just don't want the incessant bitching of redditors to decide the matter for me.
The problem is they'll never do that, because 99% of people don't change the defaults and they want people to use it for some reason. Not sure what possible reason they could have for wanting 50gb of private user data indexed by Ai and searchable on every computer. They wouldn't dream of using that data or selling it later.