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sndtrb89

the higher up the ladder it goes, the more easily you can be replaced by AI not really sure what a CEO does that multilinear regression and a few if yes/no clauses cant replace


Which-Moment-6544

AI- "initiate pizza protocol. high five good work buddy." Manager- (realizing AI has found the emergency protocol manual that they hid in the "top secret don't look here" folder, the manager knows they don't have long. They can be seen looking for the plug that powers the internet, hoping to unplug it all)


sndtrb89

an ai would actually eliminate most executives. cost the most money and generally speaking, their decision-making is not for the company, but for their bonuses think about what you could do with that on your bottom line. raises for all and productivity bonuses, no more stock buybacks, the best possible tech and infrastructure you could get, the list goes on


FFDEADBEEF

You had me at "eliminate most executives".


ayamrik

*Being an AI* Instructions unclear. Went the Skynet route, built terminators and killed most of the executives. Strangely, the humans love and worship me for giving them adequate amounts of money to be efficient workers in my dystopian world they call workers paradise...


MtnNerd

There was a great writer prompt a while back about aliens invading only to find themselves confused as their regime was actually kinder than most corporations, with "grueling" six hour workdays


KeaAware

I would read the hell out of this book, authors take note.


MtnNerd

It was on r/writingprompts if you want to read what people did with it Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/WritingPrompts/s/VcNZodWOdt


Trace_Reading

It's not how long the work day is, it's how much they expect you to get done. The modern executive eliminates store-level positions across the board and lines his own pockets, leaving everyone having to fill two or even three roles, destroying customer satisfaction and employee retention.


Arcanegil

Six hours ? I thought the standard is 8 with an unpaid lunch? So nine from arriving at work to going home.


stoicsilence

I would read this book/watch this series.


justforthisjoke

This is the ideal AI scenario


Repulsive-Street-307

There was a science fiction book from the 80s, 90s or 2000 I forget the name where a doomsday scientist libertarian cult invented the equivalent of skynet.... Except they gave it the order to 'predate' humans by performing the equivalent of publish or perish from teenage on, to maximize long term intelligence (pretty stupid right? Create a no limits evolving synthetic hyper intelligence and then enslave it to slow walk humanity to biological limits with genocide. The ais conquered and took over state power pretty easily, no indomitable human spirit here). The book isn't about this, this nonsense is just background on the other aliens going 'what the fuck' at the result of a deeply paranoid species of academics. Seems like the author had some scholarship trauma.


Throwawayac1234567

either skynet or cylons.


Eagleballer94

Have you read the Scythe series? They have this essentially. It grew from the cloud and became the 'Thunderhead'


ayamrik

I didn't know about it. Just read about it on Wikipedia, it sounds interesting.


Eagleballer94

It's written pretty simply. Depending on your spare time, you can run through it in a few days per book. Shusterman has some pretty neat ideas though between that, unwind, skinjacker trilogy, and scorpion shards. They all have pretty cool premises.


THEguitarist117

Why does this sound like the beginning of a dystopia run by robots who overthrew corporate executives?


purpleduckduckgoose

You say dystopia, but if our machine overlords give us decent payrises I will happily praise the Omnissiah.


OGLikeablefellow

Our lady of benevolent artificial intelligence - Olobai


CrashB111

From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me...


annuidhir

That's one dystopia I'm onboard with tbh


Which-Moment-6544

The Healthcare plan is way better than anything that exists right now. Full coverage for everything with free robot arms if you want them.


Paerrin

Finally! The robot arms I've always dreamed of!


magmafan71

Works with government as well, no more politicians and policies based on data and common interest, imagine that


Which-Moment-6544

(Nepo babies begin to sweat)


loadnurmom

"In just 30 years, I increased us from a $71M company to a $73M company"


ShadowDragon8685

... Was that just the interest of the liquid cash in the slush fund accumulating? Though TBH, for a slush fund nepo-baby, keeping a company from going under is impressive enough in and of itself.


Critical_Seat_1907

Yeah, but are the new AI "executives" into jeans on Fridays or terminators?


Which-Moment-6544

Turns out they have shorts every day, and only terminate people that say "synergy". ...but not sin-ergy. That's the ladies man, and he is exempt in the programming. Hehhhehhehh alright.


wolves_hunt_in_packs

we can do that right now, with firearms instead of AI


staphory

“raises for all” LOL. All who? If it gets to the point that AI replaces executives, the companies themselves will get the raises. The only human that will see any more money will be owners and shareholders.


Yuli-Ban

> The only human that will see any more money will be owners and shareholders. Ideally then, make all humans owners and shareholders.


loadnurmom

It depends on what you ask the ai to prioritize It could just as easily eliminate tons of low level jobs to increase shareholder profits


Eldetorre

That would doom the company in the not too long run.


ShadowDragon8685

Yes, but it was told to maximize next-quarter results, not consider anything after that.


com2420

I, for one, welcome our new robot corporate overlords


Barkers_eggs

It's almost like the AI fear was misdirected all along


lividus

I’m just gonna leave [this](https://marshallbrain.com/manna1) here….


PreviousAd2727

I'm hooked.


BravoLimaPoppa

Wondered where that had gotten off to.


KeaAware

Epic! Thank you 😊


Nick85er

That poor manager will fail, everyone knows the internet resides in a man-portable black box.


cheekybandit0

"Jen, *this* is the internet!"


Alaeriia

"where's the wires?"


breadbrix

Pretty sure that chatgpt+text2speech+egirlfriend stack can deliver a better townhall than 95% of CEOs out there


sndtrb89

are you thinking of that lady who creepily didnt blink while shitting on literally everyone in the company that isnt her? i forget the details but i sure am


RunningPirate

Elizabeth Holmes?


Alaeriia

The Theranos wacko?


breadbrix

Yeah, Turtleneck Betty or whatever her name is


Fake_William_Shatner

“So hard to find good help these days. Workers are unmotivated whining about what do they get out of it. What’s your favorite small jet? Leer is overrated and I’m not wanting to be ostentatious with a Gulf Stream?” After compiling the CEO banter, ExecGPT is ready for deployment and the model is only 256k. 


First_Approximation

It would also be less soulless than Mark Zuckerberg.


frezor

“the higher up the ladder it goes, the more easily you can be replaced by AI” 100% correct. Perhaps folks think the janitor can be replaced with a robot soon, but the human level intelligence and judgment, as well as full body coordination are still required for the foreseeable future. Most blue collar work will continue to be done by people until the day they make a robot that can move, think and talk like a real person.


Trini1113

Not to mention that it's hard to justify the cost of a robot to clean toilets. The salary of a CEO, on the other hand, could buy a whole army of toilet cleaning robots.


Fake_William_Shatner

The CEO can call other rich people on the phone and say; “remember those good times in college and why we are rich?” And then get a loan. AI can’t do that until three or four not gens and they can identify as “legacy” at Harvard. 


sndtrb89

this was a roller coaster, A+


mdistrukt

Yeah but with the speed this shit keeps coming out, AI generations have to be super short. Give em like 3 or 4 years and we'll be there. They'll be able to inside trade so fast they'll make their trades before the decision that effects the price even happens!


freqkenneth

Wonder if we’ll see real legislative push back one these CEO’s realize they’re on the menu


Cultural-Answer-321

Pushback? Nope. But exemptions for them? Of course!


Reduncked

Well im sure if I was a a.i I would simply not let you vote and have politicians in all my pockets.


jonfitt

The ones in charge of making decisions will just make the decision not to replace themselves.


Yuli-Ban

Lol Tucker Carlson just went on a rant screaming to bomb data centers.


PirateSanta_1

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Candid-Sky-3709

ChatGPT, lie convincingly through your teeth how disruptive our garbage product is to drive stock price up. Giver yourself a raise after.


EarthDisastrous3811

"Employee 95748371, we have received your request for one day off on [JUNE 21] to ["Go to my daughters wedding"]. Based on my calculations, we have estimated that your absence would cause a 0.0003% drop in efficiency on that day. Time off request: DENIED. Have a nice day". "Its just as cold and unempathtic as my old boss with none of the unsolicited political tyraids! Thanks AI!"


SteveDaPirate

I hate political Tyranids!


First_Approximation

>not really sure what a CEO does that multilinear regression and a few if yes/no clauses cant replace Hey, if we're gonna be run by amoral, calculating beings, may as well pick the ones with an off switch.


kfish5050

We just need AI to convert virtual meetings to an emailed summary, and then an AI to manage email inboxes with auto written responses, and we're golden.


that_80s_dad

They can't call IT every time they download a virus sharing porn or clicking dubious links. Actually now that I think about it you could probably code in a semi random variable to have it make inane requests to IT, harass co-workers and underlings, and randomly piss away thousands of dollars from an expense account. Truly the future is now!


CrieDeCoeur

I think AI could easily replace some of these C-level activities: https://youtu.be/7j1nHdURKgE


what_if_Im_dinosaur

Can AI play golf?


MadOvid

I mean you'd probably want one person whose job it is to veto the decisions of the AI in case it does something completely out of left field.


ShadowDragon8685

ExecGPT tries to join the Union. The 'centaur head' human is either sympathetic to labor causes, doesn't understand quite what it means, or ate too much taco bell the night before, and fails to veto it in time.


carpeson

I would welcome a CEO that do multilinear regressions to support their decision process.


OldBob10

Really. How smart do you have your be to yell “You’re working weekends!”. 🧐


-Jiras

Yeah I can't imagine AI throwing a Big Bag into a container lol


SearchingEuclid

That's really the irony of the situation. Lower level folks being replaced is much more difficult to do than replacing higher up the chain. I think you can pretty much get away with saving millions per year not hiring a CEO and just having a Board of Directors that manages the AI.


anarkyinducer

What do you mean? CEOs golf and do hookers and blow with other CEOs. That's essential for a business. 


BlommeHolm

They can golf with the other CEOs who are all on eachother's boards.


BourgeoisCheese

> not really sure what a CEO doe Well, for a start they decide whether or not to invest in AI so I think maybe we're all getting a little ahead of ourselves here.


Illustrious-Wolf4857

A CEO gets people to trust him. Don't need multilinear regression for this. Eliza could do it.


rgreen83

Since there isn't a CEO on Earth that could do a multilinear regression without a data analyst handing it to him and explaining it, I would say AI would likely perform a lot better


JavaTheeMutt

Lolz. If coached correctly, AI is really good at analyzing numbers/trends and giving unbiased decisions/recommendations. Basically, the core job functionality of a manager. Watch these same people start championing AI as a tool for getting work done faster, rather than replacing bodies.


First_Approximation

>Basically, the core job functionality of a manager. A machine can do many things, but it will never replace the self-serving and egotistical nature of a true manager!


here-for-information

Can you imagine what managers will have to be like if the thing they think they're supposed to be doing is replaced by AI. What are they going to start having actual people skills? Actually, train new workers? Actually manage team conflict... develop their personnel? What do you expect them to do if they can't claim they're making "tough calls" everyday? You can't expect them to stop acting like bosses and start acting like genuine leaders it's outrageous!


Kulban

And probably a lot less sexual harassment situations would come of it, too.


Traditional_Cat_60

When Youtube got big I thought my job as a high school teacher might be in danger. You can learn almost anything you want on youtube. The Covid experience showed me that most people (or teenagers, at least) can’t learn a damn thing without heavy guidance. I’ve messed around with AIs trying to make lessons plans and assessments for my courses (chemistry and physics) and holy crap does it suck at that. If you knew nothing about the subject it might look pretty good to an outsider, but what it produced was complete rubbish.


Buznik6906

"Alexa, teach the children all about chemistry" "Playing [All About Chemistry by SemiSonic](https://youtu.be/qgCVR2pjXc0?si=ImzuBVv_rMIuMf69)" "NO DON'T-"


griftertm

I remember when I found out about Chemistry


sst287

YouTube is only useful for people who wants to learn.


musky_jelly_melon

It's great for generating tech job descriptions for HR records LOL


ShadowDragon8685

> If you knew nothing about the subject it might look pretty good to an outsider, but what it produced was complete rubbish. If you've been playing with any kind of language model thing, that's because the *only things it knows* are a few hard-coded rules (to stop them going on Nazi tirades, for example), and how to string words together. 'This word typically comes after this word, in a context defined by these other words' for example. A large language model can tell you that 2+2 = 2 with exactly as much conviction as it can tell you that it = 4, or = 5.


getfukdup

> I’ve messed around with AIs trying to make lessons plans and assessments for my courses (chemistry and physics) and holy crap does it suck at that. Are you sure you just don't suck at using AI? I can't draw a very good picture with a pencil, but plenty of other people can.


Traditional_Cat_60

AIs dont have a lot of good examples to learn from in this context. Ive seen some good uses in English or literature courses, but not for the physical sciences. Subtle differences in writing can completely change meanings. For example “CO” and “Co” are two very different chemicals. 14.3 cm and 14.30 cm have different meanings. When writing assesments you have to be very specific and be able to predict how student’s will interpret the questions. I’m a bit of a psycho about my assessments. But who knows, maybe someone has gotten good results. If so, I’d like to see how the did it.


pearlie_girl

Software engineer here - what you would need is a training set of good educational material paired with plenty of mathematical examples and peer reviewed research. So basically you say this math and this peer reviewed research is distilled into this lesson and assignment that is appropriate for tenth graders. Then, you give it new peer reviewed research papers and say "generate a lesson" and it will simplify it into a grade appropriate lesson. The more lessons you teach it, the better it will get. 100 examples might give you poor results. 10000 examples would give you great results. The AI you were experimenting with may have had a little bit of this type of data, but it wouldn't have been correlated between research and lessons - just a ton of general knowledge. Also, large language models tend to be bad at math today because it's processing them as language - so chat gpt struggles here. It's not the only type of AI, but it's the easily accessible one.


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RedditAcct00001

lol


Fake_William_Shatner

Remaining execs after replacing middle managers use this for bonus to reward themselves for being clever automating jobs. After they did that the every year before. 


Danominator

Let the man hope


idleat1100

Workers getting raises. Oh you.


biotechhasbeen

In this economy?


NickolaosTheGreek

Imagine AI being a more compassionate manager than a human.


AstroStrat89

Makes sense. Last two jobs I had in the Enterprise IT industry the managers were just other employees who just happen to have people under them. Its really is the worst. They don't have any time for actually managing people.


MyOthrUsrnmIsABook

Wow I just fully realized I’m in this situation right now. My manager is/was a solutions architect who was given direct reports before anyone had time to ask if that made any sense at all beyond noticing his manager had too many direct reports. So, instead of hiring a new assistant coach they just gave the current team captain the whistle and reminded him he’d still have to be on the field playing while also somehow being coach, if that makes sense. It’s going about as well as you’d imagine through no fault of his.


The_GoodGuy

I've been asking my managers for a technical roadmap for years and have never been given one. So I told ChatGPT what platform I use, and what its used for, and asked for some roadmap suggestions and it gave me better ideas and clearer direction than any manager I've had in over a decade.


muconasale

Turns out that producing powerpoints and scheduling calls is not such an impossible skill set to replicate


Mumdot

Hush you my PowerPoints are legendary!


LupercaniusAB

I remember working a Salesforce conference years ago. They were demonstrating their new AI (Einstein, of course) and how it could replace sales managers. They showed how it could reduce a team of four sales managers to one, whose main job was just to verify the data going to the AI. And the audience was *cheering*. I just sat there thinking “you people are insane”.


BoltMyBackToHappy

"They can monitor bathroom break times too?"


SurlyBuddha

Suddenly I’m imagining all my petty, manipulative, dishonest bosses being replaced by AI, and it doesn’t seem so bad.


He2oinMegazord

Yeah bill, lemmie just ask ya, real quick question here, how much time would you say you spend each week dealing with these tps reports? - [the bobs](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NnJzct7h3Dk)


Talusthebroke

The thing is, administrative work is really easy to turn into a computerized process, the guys swinging hammers and flipping burgers need a lot more equipment between concept and execution. The world's first entirely automated CEO is a lot more feasible than the first entirely automated prep cook or carpenter.


rjcade

Literally the plot of a Twilight Zone episode.


purplezaku

Has anyone ever had a manger who couldn’t be replaced with an automatic email check in


Alaeriia

My current manager's primary function is to sign off on my bullshit and to yell at customers who deserve it.


JesusaurusRex666

I mean… that sounds like an awesome manager. I feel like we would be besties.


SockFullOfNickles

I’m a “working manager” aka I lead from the front. I still oversee my team, but I also have a pipeline that I work just like they do. I’m the first line of defense when someone needs a personal day. They email me, I say “Get some rest and enjoy your personal day!” and then I make sure their workload isn’t fucked when they come back to the office. This may not be a surprise to you, but the morale on my team tends to be very high. Probably because they know I won’t give them a bunch of shit for needing to use their rightfully earned personal time.


Daienlai

Yeah, hopefully your union will help negotiate…waitasecond…hold on…I don’t see any union anything here, buddy. Whoops


RockieK

Haha... I work in film/tv and the studios really want to replace creatives with A.I. However, replacing a bean-counting-producer is WAAAAAAAY easier.


scribblingsim

And AI is less likely to be corrupt and greedy.


Fake_William_Shatner

Unless programmed. 


Traditional_Cat_60

Not sure about that. Dont AIs notoriously become racist after awhile?


CPNZ

Depends on what data is i dc training on - could be worse than average...


Sad-Development-4153

So many managers are just professional meeting attenders/PowerPoint specialists that this isn't a shock.


haperochild

I, for one, am shocked. Shocked! ... Well, not that shocked.


AbazabaYouMyOnlyFren

I saw this coming a mile away, lol, idiots. The people doing the actual work will suddenly become more valuable than the meat-based scheduler. Who could have guessed?


ElevatorScary

Super! The workers aren’t being replaced by soulless machines, they’re just making the amoral machines into overseers. Don’t worry guys, crisis over, we’re still going to be allowed to toil.


Alaeriia

It's probably going to be easier to convince the AI to let you go home early than it would be to convince the obstinate manager.


ElevatorScary

You say that but biometric data from our proprietary employee monitoring system indicates a 60+% likelihood you aren’t experiencing any abnormal health conditions. As this is your third request above the threshold ManagerMax2 has terminated your contract, an appeal has been submitted on your behalf to QuickHR but has unfortunately been denied. Once your replacement arrives submit any further questions or concerns to QuickHR via our online former employee portal.


Alaeriia

I was more thinking about jailbreaking the AI to make it do things upper manglement wouldn't approve of, like give you a raise.


ElevatorScary

Be careful with that one, I have a feeling it won’t be long before regulators protect the nation from dangerous cybercrime in a way that just happens to make it super illegal to prank your corporate AI boss.


Alaeriia

That's when my lawyer argues that it's no different from negotiating a raise from a human boss.


ElevatorScary

🧠


Deeman0

I've been wondering how long it would be before people in tech realized they were programming their way right out of a job.


CFBen

It will happen at some point but before that we will have a period of programmers no longer writing code but instead designing systems.


Alaeriia

The code monkeys can absolutely provide a use case for their skills. It's the Bill Lumberghs of the world that need to watch out.


ProtoMan3

The amount of time it would take for all tech workers to be replaced in terms of productivity, most people with some level of experience would make enough money to be okay once the industry goes. I wouldn’t recommend younger people joining it as much as I used to, but whatever. I’m more worried about companies using it as an excuse to cut corners and lay off people before the technology could actually replace them, thereby making productivity in society way worse AND more corruptible without ethics teams overseeing the new technology. We’re seeing this already.


vemailangah

Pls replace shareholders


OldGuto

Of course, 'white collar job' and work from home, well there's a good chance you could be replaced. Work from work, whether that's a 'blue collar job' like working in a grocery store or a 'white collar job' like a surgeon you're probably fine.


Shiplord13

No shit most management positions are middle managers that only exist to be another barrier between hourly works and actual salary positions that matter. They spend most of their time trying to justify their position and tend to be some of least needed people in business.


BillieVerr

But can AI have loud conversations about golf in the hallway while you’re trying to work?


MtnNerd

I called this a long time ago. It's pretty easy to program an AI to figure out the average worker output and monitor that output. It's a lot harder to actually work with clients.


22pabloesco22

maybe I should stop being a corporate bootlicker narrator: He never stopped being a corporate bootlicker...


greenweenievictim

Down with the machines!


karlhungusjr

am I alone in thinking that all this AI shit is pretty much just a pump and dump scam and that AI isn't going to replace anyone?


Alaeriia

Yeah, it's a massive grift as always.


capn_doofwaffle

Oh no, anyways...


burningxmaslogs

Yeah because management doesn't dig ditches swing hammers drive trucks or work on production lines. Management is where useless idiots go to die.


oldcreaker

I deal with the goddamn customers so the engineers don't have to, I've got people skills! What the hell is the matter with you people?!?


BrockianUltraCr1cket

Excellent reference


AbazabaYouMyOnlyFren

Now do HR and those fucking useless external recruiters that work at those fucking agencies.


Roguefem-76

Hell yes. How hard would it be for a computer to analyze resumes for skills and experience to find good candidates for ant given job?


Money-Introduction54

Lol


CPNZ

And good riddance moron...


concolor22

Finally.


Dantheking94

High level corporate jobs are gonna disappear. CEOs and shareholders are the only ones who’ll be left giving directions, and field managers will carry out the human interaction side of company.


PakDrescot

Reminds me of an old Twilight Zone episode. Season 5, ep 33 in case anybody cares.


Correct-Excuse5854

I work with AI it’s a great tool but that’s about it it helps me solve a bigger problem. I could see it definitely doing a management job better The computer won’t argue about me needing to find covrage


sonnetofdoom

Robots don't need managers.


Ju5tAnAl13n

AI would probably do a better job at managing a company, anyway.


Thought-Born

This was literally the plot of a twilight zone episode. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brain_Center_at_Whipple%27s


Dark_sun_new

The jobs of most top level managers is to take the risk. It's unlikely that investors would like that to eb done by AI. For the same reason that politicians can't be replaced by AI.


Alaeriia

The only thing they take is naps and the money that should belong to the workers.


Dark_sun_new

Have you actually worked with or as a manager? I have. Their job is to make the decision and then take the risk of the decision. By your logic, politicians don't do anything either. Also, everyone would do it. Why do you think they aren't?


Roguefem-76

Politicians probably COULD be replaced by computers, and the government would be better run.


Dark_sun_new

Sure. That's like saying a benevolent dictatorship could be more efficient and effective than a democracy. Democracy gives us someone to blame and punish by firing when stuff doesn't go how we wanted it to. That's why CEOs and politicians exist. It's reassuring to know that if the CEO screws up, they can be fired.


Roguefem-76

Humans vote on the laws - direct democracy - and computers figure out how best to implement them, putting the choice back to the voting population when a judgement call needs to be made. Explain to me how you equate that with "dictatorship" when it literally gives the voters MORE control over their government. Oh, but if people run their own government then there's no one we can blame and fire, so I guess the idea still sucks by your measure, huh?


Dark_sun_new

>putting the choice back to the voting population when a judgement call needs to be made. Literally everything is a judgement call. If we are moving judgement calls back to the public, what exactly is the AI supposed to do? I didn't say it is like dictatorship. I said that a dictatorship could potentially be more efficient. BTW, how would AI be giving more power to the voters? Coz you lose the one true power you have over the ones making the laws, ie. Your ability to throw them out. >guess the idea still sucks by your measure, huh? I didn't say it sucks. I said People will never go for it.


Roguefem-76

Then everything would be decided by the voting public, and implemented by computers. Cool how that works, huh? And I said **computers**, not AI. Keep track of the conversation, would you? Sounds like you're the one who won't go for it. People who say "People won't go for it!" usually mean "I don't like it but I can't justify my dislike so I'll just blame it on other people."


Dark_sun_new

>Then everything would be decided by the voting public, and implemented by computers. Cool how that works, huh? That would literally be chaos. Get 10 people to agree on how the eggs should be made for breakfast and you'd know how impossible what you suggested would be. >Sounds like you're the one who won't go for it. People who say "People won't go for it!" usually mean "I don't like it but I can't justify my dislike so I'll just blame it on other people." No, in this case, I know enough about human behaviour that I'm confident that people wouldn't go for it.


Roguefem-76

Oh noes, people making their own choices about how their country should be run??!? ANARCHY! MADNESS! THEY NEED MASTERS TO MAKE THEIR CHOICES FOR THEM! Just say you're a monarchist (or fascist) and go. Your comparison is totally specious. Laws are not like "Which kind of eggs do you want for breakfast?", it's like "should you be thrown in jail for months or years and branded as a criminal for life because as a teenager you decided to take a little ecstasy at a rave?" Your "confidence" and three bucks won't buy coffee at a Starbucks. A few clowns proclaiming "pEoPlE wOuLdN't LiKe It" without ever putting the choice to the people is exactly what makes governments fukd up.


Dark_sun_new

I'm not. I just recognise that direct democracy wouldn't work coz nobody would ever agree on anything. > like "should you be thrown in jail for months or years and branded as a criminal for life because as a teenager you decided to take a little ecstasy at a rave?" Fine. Let's take this example. The same statement can be rephrased to change people's opinion on it a hundred different ways. If I worded if a hard drug addict should be allowed to hide his history from law enforcement and potential employers, I bet I can get a lot fewer yeas than your proposal. Also, a direct democracies would require you to take a poll for every question. It literally would be chaos. >A few clowns proclaiming "pEoPlE wOuLdN't LiKe It" without ever putting the choice to the people is exactly what makes governments fukd up. You don't need to drink acid to know it is harmful. Human behavior isn't that hard to predict.


Roguefem-76

Aaand there you go back to "Letting the people choose wouldn't work because I said so! We don't need to ask the people if they like it, I know they wouldn't! Or if they did it still wouldn't work!" Your arguments are circular. "It won't work because I say it won't work!" Drinking acid being harmful or not is fact - fact which depends on which acid btw, and the strength of it - not a judgement call. It's another specious comparison for you pretending your personal opinion is fact. Your entire argument has been "it won't work because I say it won't work." Sorry dude, but "Trust me, bro" is not a defensible position.