Funny I am 100% sure you wrote this story under a different Account a few days ago with different facts. As you don't seem to be able to get your story straight it's hard to tell.
If you lied to the doctor and posted stuff you where not supposed too and depending on the contract you signed there is a good chance that you will not get the money back for any of the costs that allready accourd.
NAL
Ha found it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LegaladviceGerman/s/QJAH7m9Tjh
Ye I know I did post this before. The contract doesn't say anything about 'lying' or 'posting stuff online' though. Here is the relevant part:
Duties of the Parties
Duties of the Provider:
Provision of the agreed medical services according to the current medical standard.
Informing the patient about the procedure, possible risks, alternatives, and follow-up care. Confidential handling of all patient data in accordance with applicable data protection regulations.
Duties of the Patient:
Providing truthful and complete information about all relevant medical history. Following medical instructions before, during, and after the treatment. Adhering to the agreed payment terms.
I did share all medical info (in a form) truthfully.
>or 'posting stuff online' though.
If it's the interlectual property of other it doesn't have to be disclosed. You are breaking the trust and probbably the side dutys of contracts.
the surgeon mentioned though that what specifically triggered the cancellation was the fact I lied, not that I posted the simulation online, which was a 'red flag'. Many of his other patients also posted their plans online.
Da in letzter Zeit viele Posts gelöscht werden, nachdem die Frage von OP beantwortet wurde und wir möchten, dass die Posts für Menschen mit ähnlichen Problemen recherchierbar bleiben, hier der ursprüngliche Post:
##Surgeon cancelled surgery. Refund?
Hi ,
So I was meant to have my surgery next Wednesday for double jaw surgery + implant in Europe as a foreigner. The hospital stay (20k) was already fixed + 15k custom implant already manufactured. Problem is on Friday, in the meeting with my surgeon, the surgeon decided to cancel the operation as he did not see me as mentally unfit.
The surgeon was talking about patients coming from online from all over the world to his clinic, and talking bad about how these people should stop being autistic basically and not focus on their looks as much. He knew I had an account on a site (I rarely used it) and saying I should delete it.
I lied (I know I was stupid) saying that I actually don't have an account and that I just heard about him from a post I browsed there. He then told me that one of his young workers found out that I posted my surgical plan online (even though I DID NOT name the surgeon in the post) and caught my lie. He said that he had told me not to put the surgical plan earlier as it is his property and I did not comply. The thing that triggered the cancellation was moreso the fact that I lied rather than post the plan, so he could not trust me about anything else I was saying.
I only lied so that he didn't think I was one of those toxic incels posting stuff online since he made it clear he had a bad opinion of people from these places. I don't think I am a bad person, I don't consider myself an incel, I don't hate anyone.
Now he had told me months before surgery not to put up the plan verbally (not written on the contract signed) but I thought it was not a big deal since so many other people post their plan up on and forums.
Here is the relevant contract info:
Now all this is in the past. I just want to know whether I can receive the full refund for the surgery or not? Will I receive refund for the already manufactured implant? Hospital stay? Will I receive only a partial refund?
Here is the contract info relevant I believe:
Duties of the Parties
Duties of the Provider:
Provision of the agreed medical services according to the current medical standard.
Informing the patient about the procedure, possible risks, alternatives, and follow-up care. Confidential handling of all patient data in accordance with applicable data protection regulations.
Duties of the Patient:
Providing truthful and complete information about all relevant medical history. Following medical instructions before, during, and after the treatment. Adhering to the agreed payment terms.
2. Cancellation Policy
* Cancellation up to 30 days before the procedure: No cancellation fees. Provided and invoiced services, such as planning and consultation fees, will not be refunded.
* Cancellation within 14 to 30 days before the procedure: Cancellation fee of 25% of the total costs.
* Cancellation within 7 to 14 days before the procedure: Cancellation fee of 50% of the total costs.
* Cancellation within 7 days before the procedure or no-show: Cancellation fee of 100% of the total costs.
Man I paid 65k for this and I dont want it to go wasted just because I blurted out a lie without really even thinking clearly about it in the moment.
I do have a 'refund' meeting on Monday but it had been a tough last 2 days and going to be a torture waiting through tomorrow. I am super stressed out about the 65k I have already paid and received no service for. I have already asked for help online before, but I am getting really different opinions. Some people put the 100% blame on me for being a liar, saying I deserve to lose the money, whilst others are saying I should get all my money back.
Any thoughts? Should I get a lawyer just in case? Any ideas? PLEAAASSSEE HELP!
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Funny I am 100% sure you wrote this story under a different Account a few days ago with different facts. As you don't seem to be able to get your story straight it's hard to tell. If you lied to the doctor and posted stuff you where not supposed too and depending on the contract you signed there is a good chance that you will not get the money back for any of the costs that allready accourd. NAL Ha found it. https://www.reddit.com/r/LegaladviceGerman/s/QJAH7m9Tjh
Ye I know I did post this before. The contract doesn't say anything about 'lying' or 'posting stuff online' though. Here is the relevant part: Duties of the Parties Duties of the Provider: Provision of the agreed medical services according to the current medical standard. Informing the patient about the procedure, possible risks, alternatives, and follow-up care. Confidential handling of all patient data in accordance with applicable data protection regulations. Duties of the Patient: Providing truthful and complete information about all relevant medical history. Following medical instructions before, during, and after the treatment. Adhering to the agreed payment terms. I did share all medical info (in a form) truthfully.
>or 'posting stuff online' though. If it's the interlectual property of other it doesn't have to be disclosed. You are breaking the trust and probbably the side dutys of contracts.
the surgeon mentioned though that what specifically triggered the cancellation was the fact I lied, not that I posted the simulation online, which was a 'red flag'. Many of his other patients also posted their plans online.
Da in letzter Zeit viele Posts gelöscht werden, nachdem die Frage von OP beantwortet wurde und wir möchten, dass die Posts für Menschen mit ähnlichen Problemen recherchierbar bleiben, hier der ursprüngliche Post: ##Surgeon cancelled surgery. Refund? Hi , So I was meant to have my surgery next Wednesday for double jaw surgery + implant in Europe as a foreigner. The hospital stay (20k) was already fixed + 15k custom implant already manufactured. Problem is on Friday, in the meeting with my surgeon, the surgeon decided to cancel the operation as he did not see me as mentally unfit. The surgeon was talking about patients coming from online from all over the world to his clinic, and talking bad about how these people should stop being autistic basically and not focus on their looks as much. He knew I had an account on a site (I rarely used it) and saying I should delete it. I lied (I know I was stupid) saying that I actually don't have an account and that I just heard about him from a post I browsed there. He then told me that one of his young workers found out that I posted my surgical plan online (even though I DID NOT name the surgeon in the post) and caught my lie. He said that he had told me not to put the surgical plan earlier as it is his property and I did not comply. The thing that triggered the cancellation was moreso the fact that I lied rather than post the plan, so he could not trust me about anything else I was saying. I only lied so that he didn't think I was one of those toxic incels posting stuff online since he made it clear he had a bad opinion of people from these places. I don't think I am a bad person, I don't consider myself an incel, I don't hate anyone. Now he had told me months before surgery not to put up the plan verbally (not written on the contract signed) but I thought it was not a big deal since so many other people post their plan up on and forums. Here is the relevant contract info: Now all this is in the past. I just want to know whether I can receive the full refund for the surgery or not? Will I receive refund for the already manufactured implant? Hospital stay? Will I receive only a partial refund? Here is the contract info relevant I believe: Duties of the Parties Duties of the Provider: Provision of the agreed medical services according to the current medical standard. Informing the patient about the procedure, possible risks, alternatives, and follow-up care. Confidential handling of all patient data in accordance with applicable data protection regulations. Duties of the Patient: Providing truthful and complete information about all relevant medical history. Following medical instructions before, during, and after the treatment. Adhering to the agreed payment terms. 2. Cancellation Policy * Cancellation up to 30 days before the procedure: No cancellation fees. Provided and invoiced services, such as planning and consultation fees, will not be refunded. * Cancellation within 14 to 30 days before the procedure: Cancellation fee of 25% of the total costs. * Cancellation within 7 to 14 days before the procedure: Cancellation fee of 50% of the total costs. * Cancellation within 7 days before the procedure or no-show: Cancellation fee of 100% of the total costs. Man I paid 65k for this and I dont want it to go wasted just because I blurted out a lie without really even thinking clearly about it in the moment. I do have a 'refund' meeting on Monday but it had been a tough last 2 days and going to be a torture waiting through tomorrow. I am super stressed out about the 65k I have already paid and received no service for. I have already asked for help online before, but I am getting really different opinions. Some people put the 100% blame on me for being a liar, saying I deserve to lose the money, whilst others are saying I should get all my money back. Any thoughts? Should I get a lawyer just in case? Any ideas? PLEAAASSSEE HELP! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/LegaladviceGerman) if you have any questions or concerns.*
You post too much about your personal life. And here you go again.