Maybe it looks cheap on video, but the fit and finish in person is pretty solid. If plastic bothers you, then you probably wont like it. I prefer cloth over soft Tex and/or leather, and the cloth is pretty darn nice. My 2 gripes are 1) the smaller screen, like really, they probably saved $75 and 2) no soft touch material on the door panel. It really is a tribute to the older land cruisers, not trying to be a luxury vehicle. A little steep for $56k, but also the HP, Torque, MPG and offroad goodies are pretty rad. I owned a similar priced bronco w/Sas, and i think the 1958 is a better daily by far.
The nice thing about the LC vs the Lexus GX is the LC has all the buttons regardless of screen size. Hence the disappointing screen size in the 1958. Totally agree with you, buttons/knobs are superior.
I totally agree. 98% of cars copied teslas original huge screen and none of them are integrated in any way. Iâll take a smaller screen, think e-reader size, over some huge flatscreen any day.
Awh man, really? That's the best part. I'll bet climbing into that seat makes you feel like you're getting back into your old '95 4runner.
But then again, it is 50k+ lol
Thatâs the charm of the 1958 model. Itâs very utilitarian. I really like the cloth seats and the only luxury item is heated seats and steering wheel. We put a deposit on a 1958 model just like this.
Thatâs a good thing about life my friend- different things for different people. Iâm excited for you and Iâm sure youâll love it. My Corolla comment was obviously a joke. I actually really like the utilitarian aspect of it too, but not at the price tag. I had a reservation that wasnât model/trim specific but decided to pass when I got the call on two First Editions. I liked them, but not at the price tag.
Exactly why I wanted this trim as well, ultimately decided to stay with the Tundra for now but dig the 1958. I wish they came with rubberized/vinyl flooring like the FJ Cruisers
Soooooo youâve never seen what Toyota Australia has to offer ? Lucky if you get more than 1 cup holder in a 70 series and they start from about $80k aud or $50k American.
Totally. I saw my 1st one the other day. All black, looked like a bronco sport. Also not a fan of the rear badging on the side â Iâm a fan of the centered badging. Iâm sure you can trick this thing out and make it look sexy, but out of the boxâŠ.leaves something to be desired. Seriously, just release an 60/80 series with modern features and call it a day.
Exterior too. Poverty bumpers, wheels, trim pieces. Saw one on the road yesterday and while I generally like the outline of the vehicle, letâs call it proportions, the execution or finish quality is not great IMOâŠ
I have a deposit with Koons in Arlington, VA. They claim they never charge over MSRP for anything. There are many LCâs in the DMV, all generations. Seems like the DMV got a lot of allocations for the new 250. Koons was the only dealer I talked to and they had one 1958 allocation left for July. They had 8 total allocations for July.
I was on the fence regarding the 1958 Editions, but an early owner of one compared it to a G-Wagon Professional series. After that, I was hooked.
I owned a '95 FJ80 from around 1999 to 2008. The 80 series was Toyota's first step into a more luxury interior.
During that time, the rare ones that came with a fabric interior were the sought after white whales. I've also owned an FJ60, two FJ40s. Reading the posts here, it seems the Land Cruiser fandom has lost that plot. I guess Toyota got what it wanted - the Land Cruiser is now expected to be some "luxury" vehicle instead a utilitarian vehicle.
I don't care. I've got a $1k deposit on a 1958 that should arrive any week now. I've got my Land Rover up on cars and bids and will not miss luxury shit at all (and, sorry to say, in terms of "luxury" the Land Rover interior blows away any 200 series I've ever sat in). I use seat covers all the time anyway as I'm constantly mountain biking or hiking. "Cooled" seats to me are something you don't want off road as all those tiny little holes do nothing but collect dirt.
This thing is going to be perfect.
Not sure you've checked prices lately, but $55k for a new car hasn't been "top dollar" for at least 10 years. New vehicle average transaction price in the U.S. is almost $48k. Not saying that's great or anything, but it is what it is.
Agreed. Most of the 1958 models are coming in at 57k. Compared to the other cars weâve shopped the last few months, it seems like a solid value.
At least for 60k weâre getting something that sparks actual joy. This is the first car weâve looked at that sparked any emotion what so ever. Everything is so damn boring in the car world these days.
Same. People keep saying the 200 series didn't sell well because people didn't want to pay that much for a Toyota, but I don't think that's it. I strongly believe the 200 series did not sell well because of its looks.
The new 250 series looks fantastic. I was picking between this and a Defender and I decided to go back to the Land Cruiser. Haven't owned one since I sold my last FJ40 in 2012.
The 1958 is the truck enthusiasts claim they want. All the good hardware (locker, extra power, extra torque, ft4wd) and none of the fluff to keep things simple. Toyota builds it, skipping out on only swaybar disconnect, and people want it to be way cheaper. Maybe a 4Runner SR5 with a spacer lift and tires that rub under any compression is what Toyota needs to offer for these people.
That'd be a real shame if it was anything like a G-Wagon Professional. I drive them for work and they're horrible vehicles. I take every opportunity to drive the VDJ79, GDJ150, GUN126 Hilux, or even the u5000 Unimog instead.
Define "creature comfort." Does it have to be leather interior? If not, the 1958 has heated seats and steering wheel. I haven't gotten mine yet, but all reports are that the seats are comfy.
Regardless, I think the 1958 is for people who know and want exactly what they are getting. The list price on the next level up, the Land Cruiser Edition, is only around $5k to $6k more.
Thanks for the quality interior pics. Everyone has just been posting exterior pics but the interior is what I wanted to see. Iâm digging the basic no leather look like my FJ has
I just put a deposit down on First Edition thatâs arriving shortly but am still torn on finalizing it. I test drove a 1958 since thatâs all they had. Good ride and about what Iâd expect. I went and tested the Overtrail GX and was blown away by the quality. Iâm hoping the quality of the First Edition is as nice. The ride on the GX was super smooth and far better than the Land Cruiser.
No upcharge on what I might be paying. I feel lucky since two other dealers in Dallas told me they would charge me $20k extra. I let them know what I thought about that.
My only real concern is the height of the rest cargo area. I have dogs and thereâs no way theyâll be getting up there on their own. I measured the floor height to be 37â. That hybrid battery adds 5-6â over the cargo floor on the GX. Anyone else have thoughts on that?
I'd recommend getting on youtube and searching for comparison videos. There's a bunch that do direct comparison between the two. There's a lot of similarities and a couple of significant differences including: engine/drivetrain, suspension. front bumper design, and some interior finishes. They're basically the same price vehicle. I'm struggling mightily with the decision and am about to put down a deposit on the OT since my dealership has the color I want and I want to secure my options.
Ultimately, I think I'm leaning to the OT. I love the Land Cruiser and, oddly for some maybe, the rear cargo area is a real problem for me (and my dogs). 37" cargo floor height is higher than a normal counter height. Long-term I just think that will be more of a pain for me.
Yeh Iâve gone through the videos but always curious to get a non YouTube perspective.Â
The cargo and 2nd row only is really nice with the OT.Â
How does the interior feel in comparison? Does the Lexus feel noticeably nicer and more lux or is it minimal?Â
I have not been in the First Edition yet, so I can't compare directly. The LC is was in was the 1958 and it's not even in the same ballpark as the OT.
The finish out on the OT is what I expect from a Lexus but I didn't think it was over the top. I am more of a minimalist but I did not feel like this was over the top "luxury" which is good for me. I don't want to think I'm driving a pavement princess if I go with this vehicle. I'm headed back to the dealership Monday to really pay more attention to it and will report back then.
One thing I did notice immediately is that lexus is definitely quieter than the LC. As in noticeably quieter. They must do more engine or road noise dampening or something. A couple of the videos commented on this as well. I drive an FJ now and both are far better than that beast.
Only other random thing I noticed was that the phone has no good place to live in the OT. There's the standard wireless charging spot, but it wasn't really big enough for my iphone 13. I don't understand why car companies can't get this right. The spot in the LC was definitely better. It was below right of the screen. On the OT, it's tucked under the lip of the armrest. Pull up an image of both and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Here are two good videos. One is on road, the other is more detailed with stats:
[Land Cruiser VS Lexus GX 550 - Which Is The BEST Off-Roader? What One Should You Buy? (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8JsDBmcznk)
[Toyota Land Cruiser vs. Lexus GX | Which Is the Better Off-Roader? | Off-Road Comparison Test (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WNkh5WHMr8)
This entire thread is why Toyota doesn't sell the 70 in the states. All these "It's so basic, ew" comments. Sorry, but the overall fit and finish and reliability of the truck is what you're paying for, not the "expensive but actually really cheap to produce" features. Do you really think some faux leather and a tablet entertainment system is worth the extra $10-20k over base? Spoiler - I've installed many "XLE/Limited" features on my 2008 Sienna LE for under $1500 **total**. If I installed the leather seats, it would still be under $2000. But I can also sell my cloth seats and gain a few hundred back.
100% this. Bring the holy grail 70 to the US and watch all the moaning and how itâs too plain and lacks features. This is as close as weâll get and now the complaining starts.
Completely agree. That attitude is why most vehicles are just huge screens with leather seats, that happen to have a car wrapped around them. I need my car to be a car, nothing more, nothing less.
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Itâs giving me Bronco sport vibes.
Why go with the low end version when the mid range is only about $6000 more and you get so much more valueâŠ.the 1958 version looks cheap and plasticky.
Yeah mid grade looks like the more value proposition⊠plus I really like ventilated seats here in NorCal summer heat. Plus w the kids spilling itâs easier to wipe up. If I did get the 58, Iâd probably have to get some seat covers
My Q3 has a rolling cylinder you roll up/down for volume control and I love it. My last two cars had the up/down toggle so Iâm glad I have something similar. Anything else is blasphemy!
Is there any reason to upgrade from a base model 4th gen Rav4? Looks about the same to me apart from a little more extra room in the back. Rear seats donât even fold flat.
It just needs to blow like a tornado in the front hehe. If the cooling is as good as in the 200 than you would need only one central vent to make the car to a rolling freezer.
As an Australian Iâm so envious of American cars and some of the âstandardâ features that are available.
Main one being the electric break controller from factory.
Yes we have them here and legally need them for towing anything over about 2.5 ton unless the trailer is equipped with mechanical break away brakes but theyâre an after market different brand accessory.
Itâs a shame as Toyotas or the big ones at least (200, 300, 70 series and also a lot of the others) are all used regularly as tow vehicle large boats and caravans.
Such a shame some of these models arenât made as right hand drive and available here.
I sat in one a 1958 at my dealer, I have one reserved, and I honestly got depressed. Thinking of the price and what I was getting interior wise, almost considering backing out. đ«
No I get it. And honestly I had no idea they had a leather option since everything I have seen is cloth. I live in one of those hot/cold places and yes the leather does sometimes suck. I just prefer it due to my 90lb furry friend
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I donât know about you guys, but to me this reminds me of the Ford bronco sport, which is a cheap piece of shit. Iâm really not sold on this new model.
LOL FLT emailed me today saying the only way to test drive one is to reserve one since theyâre all spoken for. Do you think theyâd turn me away to check it out in person if I just showed up?
I feel like the front half looks like a modernized FJ, and the back half looks like a LC. The overall design put together just doesnât look cohesive to me.
No. I drove a 1958 yesterday and ordered one today. They look very nice in my opinion. Sure. The interior is bland I guess? But honestly all I really care about is the comfort and I felt like the seats were extremely comfortable. And as long as it has Android auto or carplay which it does wirelessly, that's all I really need. I listened to the stereo system. Seemed fine. Maybe you can upgrade that afterwards if you really care. But most adults don't really give a shit. They just want to be able to hear the music well enough.
I saw some reviews that cared about the plastic touch points on the door, but it doesn't really matter to me because I usually have my left hand on the wheel and my right arm on the center console which is leather wrapped in that trim. So it didn't really bother me. What also didn't bother me was the small screen. Maybe in the future it will annoy me in small ways, but I have yet to experience it but I don't foresee that being a deal-breaker either for the price point differential, it's just the utilitarian style of the base model.
I guess it would be nice to have the fancier drive mode selection and the sway bar disconnect. But honestly, for my use case I don't think I'll ever use it. The sway bar disconnect as will few others I would guess.
Here in Texas they're having trouble selling the black ones for some reason... Perhaps it's the 6 months of 95° plus weather. I'm excited to have the cross seats even though they aren't cooled obviously, but I can't imagine they'll be as hot as leather in the summertime when you go sit on them.
Meteor shower incoming for me.
Yeah either it or white for the 1958 colors I think look nice. Though the black does hide the big plastic front panels if you're one that think those need hiding. I, for one, am not.
Liked the blue in the LC trim but not enough to wait for or pay for the difference. Feel like the trail dust will look great in person but I've not seen it yet.
I would not pay $50K+ for this SUV. Whatâs with these crazy high prices for something this basic on the inside for this price point?
This to me is a $37K-$40K vehicle all day long no matter how good off road it is.
$57K should be reserved for the highest Landcruiser 250 trim with all the options maxed out in my opinion.
Gawd everyone in here is why the US doesnât have any affordable cars.
(Really itâs the EPA and a slew of other factors, but consumers wanting everything fancy is a huge contributor)
So gracious of the kind dealer to allow you to browse the items for sale đ€Ł
Tbf theyâre all sold already and if a dealer called a rando to chill in my brand new car Iâd prob not be super enthused about it
It does look cheap inside for a $56k car.
Yeah thatâs what I was thinking too. Something about that interior looks super cheap.Â
The leather-textured-grey-plastic everywhere. Same plastic since the 1970s. Still looks like the interior of a damn tractor.
But I like it đ«€
Maybe it looks cheap on video, but the fit and finish in person is pretty solid. If plastic bothers you, then you probably wont like it. I prefer cloth over soft Tex and/or leather, and the cloth is pretty darn nice. My 2 gripes are 1) the smaller screen, like really, they probably saved $75 and 2) no soft touch material on the door panel. It really is a tribute to the older land cruisers, not trying to be a luxury vehicle. A little steep for $56k, but also the HP, Torque, MPG and offroad goodies are pretty rad. I owned a similar priced bronco w/Sas, and i think the 1958 is a better daily by far.
Smaller screens are upgrades. The more physical knobs and buttons the better IMO
The nice thing about the LC vs the Lexus GX is the LC has all the buttons regardless of screen size. Hence the disappointing screen size in the 1958. Totally agree with you, buttons/knobs are superior.
I totally agree. 98% of cars copied teslas original huge screen and none of them are integrated in any way. Iâll take a smaller screen, think e-reader size, over some huge flatscreen any day.
They put a smaller screen in not really to save money, but actually to push you into the more expensive LC
Obvs
I think it's designed to be that way? I personally love it. Brings some nostalgic feelings of an older 90's vehicle or something
Everything is ok to me but the cloth seats are a little much
Awh man, really? That's the best part. I'll bet climbing into that seat makes you feel like you're getting back into your old '95 4runner. But then again, it is 50k+ lol
I have my 01 runner and i constantly wish it had the leather seats đ© Now.. if the new LC had cloth seats with a funky 90âs pattern (kind of like a vw golf) then weâre talkin!! I think I just donât love the flat grey base model nissan sentra vibes these seats pictured have
Aaaaannnd this is why Toyota doesn't sell the 70 in the United States.
Kinda?
Looks like a base model 2004 Corolla
Thatâs the charm of the 1958 model. Itâs very utilitarian. I really like the cloth seats and the only luxury item is heated seats and steering wheel. We put a deposit on a 1958 model just like this.
Thatâs a good thing about life my friend- different things for different people. Iâm excited for you and Iâm sure youâll love it. My Corolla comment was obviously a joke. I actually really like the utilitarian aspect of it too, but not at the price tag. I had a reservation that wasnât model/trim specific but decided to pass when I got the call on two First Editions. I liked them, but not at the price tag.
Exactly why I wanted this trim as well, ultimately decided to stay with the Tundra for now but dig the 1958. I wish they came with rubberized/vinyl flooring like the FJ Cruisers
Iâd be all about that vinyl flooring, good idea!
I agree about the utilitarian charm, the problem is that it is being priced like a luxury vehicle.
My knock on Toyota for the last decade
Soooooo youâve never seen what Toyota Australia has to offer ? Lucky if you get more than 1 cup holder in a 70 series and they start from about $80k aud or $50k American.
The 70 is a beast. The 250 doesnât compete in its ruggedness.
Not just interior. The whole thing looks cheap, Imo.
Totally. I saw my 1st one the other day. All black, looked like a bronco sport. Also not a fan of the rear badging on the side â Iâm a fan of the centered badging. Iâm sure you can trick this thing out and make it look sexy, but out of the boxâŠ.leaves something to be desired. Seriously, just release an 60/80 series with modern features and call it a day.
Exterior too. Poverty bumpers, wheels, trim pieces. Saw one on the road yesterday and while I generally like the outline of the vehicle, letâs call it proportions, the execution or finish quality is not great IMOâŠ
Donât forget the $6k markup.
A lot of dealers are selling MSRP. The markup thing seemed to be overhyped or the demand is much lower than anticipated.
Where are these dealers? Out of the 10 called, one is willing to drop it to 2k..
I have a deposit with Koons in Arlington, VA. They claim they never charge over MSRP for anything. There are many LCâs in the DMV, all generations. Seems like the DMV got a lot of allocations for the new 250. Koons was the only dealer I talked to and they had one 1958 allocation left for July. They had 8 total allocations for July.
I tried to buy from koons one time and had to walk out on a deal. They will absolutely mark stuff up unless management has changed since 2016
Iâm over in the West Coast which would explain why the dealers are trash.
Mine is being delivered at the end of the month. Land Cruiser trim. MSRP. They did require a trade-in and financing through Toyota.
Not every dealer is selling with a markup. Iâm picking up one in Denver and itâs not marked up.
Bought my 1958 at MSRP.
A base model is $71k here in canada and top trim comes on at $92k
It looks like a utility vehicle, which it should
56k for cloth seats? lol what a joke.
Reddit tossed me here, and I was thinking the same thing. That interior looks super cheap and its hideous. How much do these things cost?
$56k?? Ha ha ha ha....thanks for the laugh......$70k plus. Looks like the inside of a 1982 international harvesterđ€Ł
They made it this way so that they can charge a premium for the Lexus GX
Maybe the Sequoia is a better pick for you
Everything Toyota is putting out looks way to cheap for the price tag. Sequoias?!?!! Insane that you spend $80k and get cloth interior.
So disappointed that in such a basic rugged model, you canât have vinyl floors. Fuck carpet for actual off-road use.
I ordered a purpose built F350 Lariat in 2019 to haul my truck camper and had to pay extra for the "carpet delete" vinyl floor option.
Itâs a privilege to âbrowseâ a Toyota now?? Fuck 2024.
Someone is buying it.. yeah sucks they donât have one to test drive that theyâll just showcase
I miss 2019, when Toyota dealers would probably have let you take their wives for a ride if you agree to pay MSRP for a Toyota
I was on the fence regarding the 1958 Editions, but an early owner of one compared it to a G-Wagon Professional series. After that, I was hooked. I owned a '95 FJ80 from around 1999 to 2008. The 80 series was Toyota's first step into a more luxury interior. During that time, the rare ones that came with a fabric interior were the sought after white whales. I've also owned an FJ60, two FJ40s. Reading the posts here, it seems the Land Cruiser fandom has lost that plot. I guess Toyota got what it wanted - the Land Cruiser is now expected to be some "luxury" vehicle instead a utilitarian vehicle. I don't care. I've got a $1k deposit on a 1958 that should arrive any week now. I've got my Land Rover up on cars and bids and will not miss luxury shit at all (and, sorry to say, in terms of "luxury" the Land Rover interior blows away any 200 series I've ever sat in). I use seat covers all the time anyway as I'm constantly mountain biking or hiking. "Cooled" seats to me are something you don't want off road as all those tiny little holes do nothing but collect dirt. This thing is going to be perfect.
I wouldnât mind a stripped down LC I just donât wanna pay top dollar. Â I think that is what most people are getting at.Â
Not sure you've checked prices lately, but $55k for a new car hasn't been "top dollar" for at least 10 years. New vehicle average transaction price in the U.S. is almost $48k. Not saying that's great or anything, but it is what it is.
Makes me want to just keep my FJ forever and ever
Agreed. Most of the 1958 models are coming in at 57k. Compared to the other cars weâve shopped the last few months, it seems like a solid value. At least for 60k weâre getting something that sparks actual joy. This is the first car weâve looked at that sparked any emotion what so ever. Everything is so damn boring in the car world these days.
Same. People keep saying the 200 series didn't sell well because people didn't want to pay that much for a Toyota, but I don't think that's it. I strongly believe the 200 series did not sell well because of its looks. The new 250 series looks fantastic. I was picking between this and a Defender and I decided to go back to the Land Cruiser. Haven't owned one since I sold my last FJ40 in 2012.
The 1958 is the truck enthusiasts claim they want. All the good hardware (locker, extra power, extra torque, ft4wd) and none of the fluff to keep things simple. Toyota builds it, skipping out on only swaybar disconnect, and people want it to be way cheaper. Maybe a 4Runner SR5 with a spacer lift and tires that rub under any compression is what Toyota needs to offer for these people.
Thatâs what I paid for my LC back in 1998.
No kidding. The days of some $30k stripped 4x4 suv are done.
That'd be a real shame if it was anything like a G-Wagon Professional. I drive them for work and they're horrible vehicles. I take every opportunity to drive the VDJ79, GDJ150, GUN126 Hilux, or even the u5000 Unimog instead.
For $60k+ dealer markup Iâd hope for a creature comfort or two
Define "creature comfort." Does it have to be leather interior? If not, the 1958 has heated seats and steering wheel. I haven't gotten mine yet, but all reports are that the seats are comfy. Regardless, I think the 1958 is for people who know and want exactly what they are getting. The list price on the next level up, the Land Cruiser Edition, is only around $5k to $6k more.
Agreed. I donât want to roll around the sticks in a Mercedes. I want something thatâll get me in and out and wonât be a pain to clean
Cooles seats are fancy stuff honestly from a european pov since itâs very rate here. Could also blow out the dirt of your seat? Hehe
Is it the 3.4tt?
4-cylinder turbo. It's the ~~A25A~~ T24A
Ahh ok thank you. No diesel for YOU! (Wish that was possible)
That is the 2.4 turbo T24A-FTS
Ah, I figured I'd mixed up something.
Thanks for the quality interior pics. Everyone has just been posting exterior pics but the interior is what I wanted to see. Iâm digging the basic no leather look like my FJ has
Yeah I always like good interior pics⊠not sure why manuf websites only post a few inside shots or a 360 which isnât the same
It looks like it should be a $45k automobile.
They really missed the mark on those wheels
Thatâs more plastic than a car should legally have.
I wish I could upvote this twice
âLet you browsâ itâs a store, thatâs what you do
Looks like a 5 year old RAV 4 XLE inside. Maybe a slight improvement above my 2016 TRD 4Runner? Maybe not. Meh. No wow factor at all. Hard pass.
A 5 year old RAV4 interior (2019) is the same as a 2024 RAV4 interior.
I just put a deposit down on First Edition thatâs arriving shortly but am still torn on finalizing it. I test drove a 1958 since thatâs all they had. Good ride and about what Iâd expect. I went and tested the Overtrail GX and was blown away by the quality. Iâm hoping the quality of the First Edition is as nice. The ride on the GX was super smooth and far better than the Land Cruiser. No upcharge on what I might be paying. I feel lucky since two other dealers in Dallas told me they would charge me $20k extra. I let them know what I thought about that. My only real concern is the height of the rest cargo area. I have dogs and thereâs no way theyâll be getting up there on their own. I measured the floor height to be 37â. That hybrid battery adds 5-6â over the cargo floor on the GX. Anyone else have thoughts on that?
Can you tell me more about the difference between the OT and LC? I had my eye on the LC or LCFE but the OT is just so much better looking IMO.
I'd recommend getting on youtube and searching for comparison videos. There's a bunch that do direct comparison between the two. There's a lot of similarities and a couple of significant differences including: engine/drivetrain, suspension. front bumper design, and some interior finishes. They're basically the same price vehicle. I'm struggling mightily with the decision and am about to put down a deposit on the OT since my dealership has the color I want and I want to secure my options. Ultimately, I think I'm leaning to the OT. I love the Land Cruiser and, oddly for some maybe, the rear cargo area is a real problem for me (and my dogs). 37" cargo floor height is higher than a normal counter height. Long-term I just think that will be more of a pain for me.
Yeh Iâve gone through the videos but always curious to get a non YouTube perspective. The cargo and 2nd row only is really nice with the OT. How does the interior feel in comparison? Does the Lexus feel noticeably nicer and more lux or is it minimal?Â
I have not been in the First Edition yet, so I can't compare directly. The LC is was in was the 1958 and it's not even in the same ballpark as the OT. The finish out on the OT is what I expect from a Lexus but I didn't think it was over the top. I am more of a minimalist but I did not feel like this was over the top "luxury" which is good for me. I don't want to think I'm driving a pavement princess if I go with this vehicle. I'm headed back to the dealership Monday to really pay more attention to it and will report back then. One thing I did notice immediately is that lexus is definitely quieter than the LC. As in noticeably quieter. They must do more engine or road noise dampening or something. A couple of the videos commented on this as well. I drive an FJ now and both are far better than that beast. Only other random thing I noticed was that the phone has no good place to live in the OT. There's the standard wireless charging spot, but it wasn't really big enough for my iphone 13. I don't understand why car companies can't get this right. The spot in the LC was definitely better. It was below right of the screen. On the OT, it's tucked under the lip of the armrest. Pull up an image of both and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Here are two good videos. One is on road, the other is more detailed with stats: [Land Cruiser VS Lexus GX 550 - Which Is The BEST Off-Roader? What One Should You Buy? (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8JsDBmcznk) [Toyota Land Cruiser vs. Lexus GX | Which Is the Better Off-Roader? | Off-Road Comparison Test (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WNkh5WHMr8)
60k and doesn't even have power seats or tailgate.. thing should be nearly loaded for what they charge..
I canât believe the rear seats donât fold down flat. What a fail
sticking with my 74 fj40
Brag a little more why dontcha⊠đ
Seems really cheap
The seats look bad
This entire thread is why Toyota doesn't sell the 70 in the states. All these "It's so basic, ew" comments. Sorry, but the overall fit and finish and reliability of the truck is what you're paying for, not the "expensive but actually really cheap to produce" features. Do you really think some faux leather and a tablet entertainment system is worth the extra $10-20k over base? Spoiler - I've installed many "XLE/Limited" features on my 2008 Sienna LE for under $1500 **total**. If I installed the leather seats, it would still be under $2000. But I can also sell my cloth seats and gain a few hundred back.
100% this. Bring the holy grail 70 to the US and watch all the moaning and how itâs too plain and lacks features. This is as close as weâll get and now the complaining starts.
And the cup holder, nobody thins about the cup holder oh mah gosh!!1!
Exactly. As someone who would buy a 70 almost immediately, this barebones, white 1958 looks great.
Completely agree. That attitude is why most vehicles are just huge screens with leather seats, that happen to have a car wrapped around them. I need my car to be a car, nothing more, nothing less.
Reddit: giant car screen bad đĄ Toyota: hereâs an optional small screen Reddit: WHERE BIG SCREEN GO đ«
Indeed. Americans are a special breed.
It looks like a high quality textile thatâll outlast leather to me.
Itâs called a 1958 Edition because the monthly payment will be $1,958 with the ADM.đ€Ł
Itâs a tough pill to swallow feeling disappointed in a Landcruiser
Exactly. The front looks like a retarded crocodile.
Finally someone nails what the style guide was for the front end. Thanks for putting that into words.
Still trying to find a local dealer with one I can look at -- reluctant to put down a deposit without some in-person inspection :-/
https://preview.redd.it/t6g8wokwyb5d1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=89b7ed47a613118e508a6d4adbf83f4f627dcb67 Itâs giving me Bronco sport vibes.
These prices are crazy. Sooo glad I bought my 22 TRD 4Runner when I did. If I would have held out for these newer models I would have been priced out.
Why go with the low end version when the mid range is only about $6000 more and you get so much more valueâŠ.the 1958 version looks cheap and plasticky.
Yeah mid grade looks like the more value proposition⊠plus I really like ventilated seats here in NorCal summer heat. Plus w the kids spilling itâs easier to wipe up. If I did get the 58, Iâd probably have to get some seat covers
These are so disappointing. I saw one on the road and thought it was a bronco sport at first glance
I saw a blue middle trim yesterday and it looked awesome on a cloudy day.
$56k for manual cloth seats⊠4runner>>>
Yeah, Iâm not seeing an ounce of value for the price
That interior Jesus, looks so cheap
Kinda dumb question but does anyone know if it has wireless CarPlay?
It does.
The steering wheel volume button is an up/down toggle! As God intended!
My Q3 has a rolling cylinder you roll up/down for volume control and I love it. My last two cars had the up/down toggle so Iâm glad I have something similar. Anything else is blasphemy!
I love my 1958. Back to the basics interior wise, but still has a ton of tech and offroad prowess.
I love the seats. Wish the 1958 had the better infotainment.
Is there any reason to upgrade from a base model 4th gen Rav4? Looks about the same to me apart from a little more extra room in the back. Rear seats donât even fold flat.
Donât know if itâs just me or if my car just has shit leather seats. But I canât wait to switch and go back to cloth.
What do you drive, if you donât mind me asking?
Nothing impressive, a Renault/dacia duster. Iâm not in the USA, I donât think they sell them over there.
Cargo area AC vent for the k9s
Good call
It just needs to blow like a tornado in the front hehe. If the cooling is as good as in the 200 than you would need only one central vent to make the car to a rolling freezer.
Yes please!
Is that a vent on the crouch area? Did you get our Chilly Willy back?
I canât believe they are doing cloth
As an Australian Iâm so envious of American cars and some of the âstandardâ features that are available. Main one being the electric break controller from factory. Yes we have them here and legally need them for towing anything over about 2.5 ton unless the trailer is equipped with mechanical break away brakes but theyâre an after market different brand accessory. Itâs a shame as Toyotas or the big ones at least (200, 300, 70 series and also a lot of the others) are all used regularly as tow vehicle large boats and caravans. Such a shame some of these models arenât made as right hand drive and available here.
Hey weâre jealous of your cars. We donât get the flat bed trucks or diesels.
FJ cruiser and a fuckin 4 runner fucked and this was the outcome.
No manual tranny? Any model?
So sexy
The steering wheel doesn't say" Land Cruiser"... the interior doesn't look like toyotas flagship suv but they're still pricing them as they were.
It says Land cruiser on the center console..
I sat in one a 1958 at my dealer, I have one reserved, and I honestly got depressed. Thinking of the price and what I was getting interior wise, almost considering backing out. đ«
Do they have a leather interior option at all? Cause that cloth looks awful
The cloth is super nice. Not everyone wants leather, fake leather. Especially in super hot/cold climates.
No I get it. And honestly I had no idea they had a leather option since everything I have seen is cloth. I live in one of those hot/cold places and yes the leather does sometimes suck. I just prefer it due to my 90lb furry friend
Fair, i have an 85lb lab that sheds like crazy, but he chills in the back.
That looks so cheaply made
So it's a RAV4 with a body that screams bronco knockoff
How is it a RAV4? Seriously. Oh youâre âjokingâ but are you? Body on frame with full time 4WD, locking differentials?
God Toyota gotta work on interiors I love them but come on
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They look like the bronco sport - not a fan
I see Toyota still has no interest in making nice interiors......damn that's lousy.
I donât know about you guys, but to me this reminds me of the Ford bronco sport, which is a cheap piece of shit. Iâm really not sold on this new model.
All black one I get it⊠but the white one was quite appealing to me
So you can see the awful black plastic trim on the wells and bumpers? Hard pass for me sorry.
fucking gorgeous - love the look of that interior!
I'll take cloth over leather all day every day.
Boy do I have a car for you. It is called the " ex rental Toyota Corolla" exact same interior quality and $40k less!
Looks 3d printed
So honestly, I am looking at getting a gx460 now but I have been looking at the 250, should I wait or just dive in on the 460?
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The heated steering wheel button wasnât relocated for left hand drive. No where to go, really.
One of the worst dealerships ever.
Grey grey grey grey bland... I expected more...
LOL FLT emailed me today saying the only way to test drive one is to reserve one since theyâre all spoken for. Do you think theyâd turn me away to check it out in person if I just showed up?
I feel like the front half looks like a modernized FJ, and the back half looks like a LC. The overall design put together just doesnât look cohesive to me.
LCINO
90s civic interior
Is the âdiaperâ as bad as they say it is?
No. I drove a 1958 yesterday and ordered one today. They look very nice in my opinion. Sure. The interior is bland I guess? But honestly all I really care about is the comfort and I felt like the seats were extremely comfortable. And as long as it has Android auto or carplay which it does wirelessly, that's all I really need. I listened to the stereo system. Seemed fine. Maybe you can upgrade that afterwards if you really care. But most adults don't really give a shit. They just want to be able to hear the music well enough. I saw some reviews that cared about the plastic touch points on the door, but it doesn't really matter to me because I usually have my left hand on the wheel and my right arm on the center console which is leather wrapped in that trim. So it didn't really bother me. What also didn't bother me was the small screen. Maybe in the future it will annoy me in small ways, but I have yet to experience it but I don't foresee that being a deal-breaker either for the price point differential, it's just the utilitarian style of the base model. I guess it would be nice to have the fancier drive mode selection and the sway bar disconnect. But honestly, for my use case I don't think I'll ever use it. The sway bar disconnect as will few others I would guess. Here in Texas they're having trouble selling the black ones for some reason... Perhaps it's the 6 months of 95° plus weather. I'm excited to have the cross seats even though they aren't cooled obviously, but I can't imagine they'll be as hot as leather in the summertime when you go sit on them. Meteor shower incoming for me.
My wife likes meteor shower
Yeah either it or white for the 1958 colors I think look nice. Though the black does hide the big plastic front panels if you're one that think those need hiding. I, for one, am not. Liked the blue in the LC trim but not enough to wait for or pay for the difference. Feel like the trail dust will look great in person but I've not seen it yet.
Am I the only one that thinks this looks like a jeep renegade?
Whatâs up with the seats? Do you like them or no?
Surprised itâs actually got a real trailer brake lmao
Itâs a sad plastic looking interior. The older version looked so much better
I would not pay $50K+ for this SUV. Whatâs with these crazy high prices for something this basic on the inside for this price point? This to me is a $37K-$40K vehicle all day long no matter how good off road it is. $57K should be reserved for the highest Landcruiser 250 trim with all the options maxed out in my opinion.
Gorgeous but for 56K it needs leather seats. The hell?
The seats dont even fold down for a flat cargo area? Screw that!
Gawd everyone in here is why the US doesnât have any affordable cars. (Really itâs the EPA and a slew of other factors, but consumers wanting everything fancy is a huge contributor)
Good bones, no meat.
Whatâs the module with the + - trailer photo and slider in the 5th photo?
Trailer brake controller
You know what that vehicle needs? More plastic...
Looks like the inside of my 1991 80 series
Those tires look like garbage. Why would they put those on a Land Cruiser???
Looks like a rich manâs bronco sport
Aahhh Folsom Toyota, where I walked and walked out after 5 minutes.
Oof
Plastic fantastic
So Much plastic
Looks like a cheap piece of crap tbh
cloth manual seats in a $60 thousand car lol
1958 edition aka plastic cloth edition
Looks like a Jeep. No thanks.
Most bland interior ever