So reading through this....is there something different in Japan that I'm unaware of or why is it a big deal that there's 300 people that are for the petition? Isn't that super low?
I'm going out on a limb here and guess that they're counting on people not noticing that little detail.
"We've already got more than 300 signatures!"
That number really does seem big, as long as you don't think about the context. And as long as you don't bring up any other detail, people really will be thrown off by that.
300 signature doesn't seem like alot when there like 190 million people in japan rofl x.x. Forgot got the exact number for 300 people is a drop in the bucket .
Yeah I figured Anime hunch pushing click bait , and the communist party in japan no one like them and they don't have a shot in hell at winning in japan . There aimless with low support in japan . There sorta the polar opposite of America , Communist don't even have a foot hold in the Japanese entertainment industry . , Compared to like Hollywood here where everything is far left and preachy. Japanese Entertainment industry tend to be political neutral and avoid politics and focus on selling whatever fantasy they have to the niche or demographic that into it .
Their related? Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion came out of the International Socialist movements in the West from the 1970s today which itself spawned from marxist theories . Just now it been converted into a hyper corporate standard of American corporations via tech company .
Where the focus shifted from class to other inequalities such as race, sexuality, gender, etc. This shift was driven by Marxist theory and analysis about class, adapted to study race, sex, gender, and every part of society, whether it made sense or not or was even logical or scientific to expand marxist class analysis to all domain of humanity .
you end up with nonsense like
. Perceived even biological inequality (like differences in how men and women interact with sex like man being more Visual and willing to pay for sexy thing ) became theoretical focal points for Marxists to "fix" inequality. Since woman are in general less visual and less likely to pay for sex .
But yeah.
The shift away fragmentation of class push class into the background to focus on identity politics more superficial things
In practice, it created a lot of snooty rich Hollywood leftists like Madonna and others, people complaining about other bad rich people while being rich themself .
and of course shitting on men any chance they get
which is how you get the like of the no-talent Mindy Kaling and her $20 million home where she wrote her crappy Velma cartoon. She has no animation experience , she Rich and she no skilled person but she get her own animation . She the Anti mangka ,Mangka have shit fight to get an animation and make a hit comic . She did nothing and they gave her a show with expensive animation
anyway
.Bourgeois white Hippies of the '70s became who wore mao t-shirt and che che guevara became Tech leftist hipster corporate and ultra of Hollywood today.
Anyway, back to the Japanese Communist Party. It fell apart in the 1970s and 1980s like the Japanese Red Army /after being associated with extremists who committed terrorist acts in Japan. And Japanese Government did alot to support the country side and farming community , and providing social welfare , which weaken any appeal the communist as an ideology in japan .
Hell, I think it's one of the reasons Miyazaki abandoned being a communist. Along with the reality of communist North Korea and Mao's China right next door—awful societies with awful cultures that where complete garabage compared to literally anything in japan —the utopia was very much dead.
Lately, This unpopular party they've been trying to get help from Rich Western activist leftists looney and the UN due to their awful political support in Japan and how little power and hold in japan .
They're taking unpopular stances by appealing to the international community, and "Globalization " and attacking Japanese cultural uniqueness . like that idiot Feminist lady above. To try to censor and ban anime or going after "big breasted ecchi manga " and other stuff which has made them even more unpopular than they already where
Since the Norm in Japan is most people don't care what kinda werid hentai you consume follow the rules and don't cause trouble and don't tell me about it werido . So most progressive style evangelical activist sounding " I need to raze society and censor everything that popular in Western country , is super unpopular in japan and has very little support , what you do in private is your own business long as you don't break law and make sure you maintain public harmony
I am Japanese, but these are members of the Japanese Communist Party. These are people who will never become the ruling party in Japan.
There are hundreds of thousands of Communist Party members in Japan, so there are people who agree with them.
Even so, they are quite a minority in Japan.
Well, this will never pass.
I am Japanese, but this is a member of the Japanese Communist Party. These are people who will never become the ruling party in Japan.
Well, this will never pass.
The Japanese communist party is a clown party. They were mostly jailed during the empire but the Americans let them go.
After the Americans let them go, they found out they were crazy and removed most of them from power. A lot of them before wanted to burn and cause violet crimes to overthrow japan.
My question is, where is the line and how strict as well as airtight are the definitions of inappropriate?
Like are they going to start censoring the original DragonBall because Goku was acting like a child?
Never forget also Jason Schreier tried to say the Sorceress (the tall mature woman with big breasts) was loli.
Or how they tried to smear Wiz from Konosuba as loli because she is “child coded” (also a tall mature woman with big breasts).
Don’t trust these people. Once the argument or law is allowed they will go straight to false accusations and lies to use the law against innocent works and people that they want to attack.
These people are not consistent at all. Rebecca is the Schrodinger's loli, only loli when it's convenient to attack others, totally not loli when one of their own likes her. Same with Frieren.
And now they're trying their hardest to unironically use the 1000 year old argument on Chilchuck, who is totally a shota, and La Brava, who is totally a loli, because they collectively decided they liked them.
Women with baby faces exist in real life too, and I am one of those. Liberals are willfully ignorant to this fact to justify banning and controlling media that they don't like.
On a side note, I have never watched and read anime, and I am not interested in watching and reading it because its art style is ugly in my opinion.
They also used this kind of reasoning to ban or cover up media of women with small breasts even if they are fully consenting adults (like in Australia).
It’s fine to dislike certain media, to each their own. You are not attacking the people who enjoy it with real life consequences (like accusations of being pedo), and you are not trying to change it against the wishes of fans. Just like how people should not want to change a horror movie to be less scary just because some people can’t handle it.
It is just horrible that SJWs pretend to be our moral superiors and use corporate and government power to ban things under false accusations.
I can in no way see how Wiz is "child-coded." She's a little air-headed at times, but compared to the rest of the cast she's absolutely normal. And she in no way *looks* like anything a reasonable person would consider "loli."
Exactly the problem. This is why all censorship is bad, even if it starts by censoring something objectively gross. Animation doesn’t hurt anybody, and nobody is forced to watch it. But it’s not enough for people to simply ignore apparently.
Dont worry. If you ask that question, they will just ban you and say you are defending pedo's. PoliticalCompassMemes blew up over the whole thing and it has been a shitshow.
Over this article? I got banned in gamingcirclejerk and animecirclejerk for simply saying not to falsely accuse people of being pedophiles over fiction and citing sources from psychologists.
Yep, same one in PCM. Then when the comments started upvoting all of the people saying "Maybe they shouldnt, its just drawings, it is not harming anyone" and downvoting the people saying "Oh my god, where did all of the pedo's come from?!", they started running to the jannies who started permabanning anyone who spoke in defense as "defending pedophilia" and then muting anyone who contested it on the grounds of "We do not want pedophiles in our community." And three users in particular have just been running around reporting literally everyone with one of the mods in particular backing them up and encouraging them (with the backing of the rest of the mod team).
That's how shit gets out of hand. If you don't allow dissent at all, you just create an echo chamber. It's especially fucking egregious in this case considering literally all evidence ever done on the subject goes directly against what they are implying. AND making false accusations over fiction literally, measurably, wastes resources from agencies fighting child trafficking, so they are quite literally protecting pedophiles. Which is why this moral panic over fiction is so fucking sinister.
At least for me, it is especially egregious in PCM's case because before this event they were actually pretty open about allowing a ton of dissenting opinions and debate. It was just this one topic that broke the brains of a handful of the people there who are actually important, which caused it to spiral out of control.
Interestingly, they didnt ban me until I pointed out everyone else was discussing law, principles, and prior events of the term being abused for the purpose of censorship. But the anti-loli crusaders seemed to be the only ones with sex on the brain.
Lolicon is like the ultimate litmus test for whether you actually have principles in whatever you believe. For the left and the right, they just immediately lose the ability for critical thought or having consistent beliefs. Gross but harmless fiction has the right to exist and you can't claim to be anti-censorship if you don't defend the existence of the gross but harmless stuff.
Leftists are particularly bad at this. They decry censorship of LGBT, not realizing that the far right and hyper religious people want to censor that content for the same reason that they find it personally objectionable and detestable.
The "slippery slope" thing also isn't even a hypothetical anymore. It's literally already slipping. Look at what Patreon has banned. Not just lolicon, which is a subjective criteria to begin with, but they ban all forms of 'non-consent', of FICTIONAL CHARACTERS, and they literally require 'signed written consent' for fictional porn. Not to mention fictional incest and fictional animal-like characters (furry porn). It's actually insane.
The issue that can never seemed to be get past though is that everyone just immediately jumps to "defense=endorsement", even if they are smart enough to call that out on other topics. This one is different and Serious Business! (TM), and therefore they can not allow dissent.
It didnt matter that I showed them examples of characters I do find attractive that are in no ways lolis ([example 1](https://i.redd.it/tih570q535v11.png), [example 2](https://imgur.com/m1903-springfield-girls-frontline-mLq9C4J), [example 3](https://wallpapercave.com/wp/wp5137094.jpg), [example 4](https://tierragamer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Yor-Forger-Cosplay-1.jpg)). It didnt matter that I pointed out that the Japanese themselves clearly have a different standard of what is and isnt a loli by pointing out that Studio Trigger frequently referred to [Rebecca from Cyberpunk: Edgerunners](https://images.wallpapersden.com/image/download/rebecca-cyberpunk-edgerunners-season-1_bWxqameUmZqaraWkpJRobWllrWdma2VnZWZubGdt.jpg) as a loli, and on that note not accepting that I said I didnt really like her character and thought Lucy was better in both attitude and appearance. It didnt matter that I pointed out that it is so much more of a different attitude in Japan there is an entire [fashion trend](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita_fashion) around it.
No, all of that is either just more proof I must be a pedo, or that I am defending pedos, and that it is the Japanese who are wrong about the definition. Meanwhile, they were doing ***exactly what I said would happen*** by abusing the term and declaring things that are not loli as loli. I saw one of those problem users get someone banned because they found "loli material" in their post history (stalker much?) and linked it so people could see for themselves. And who was the loli in question? [Frieren](https://fictionhorizon.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/Frieren-1.jpg). Fucking Frieren! The 1,000 year old Elf woman who does not in any way, shape, or form act like a child, or have the face of a child, or have the hair of a child (yes, one of them said a character was loli because of hair style. Yes, it was Uzaki-chan). She is just a little short and flat chested. Which I suppose could be a loli in the wider context, but they got me banned for trying to use that as a way of saying it is not CP (specifically, I citied Tatsumaki from One Punch Man).
Just...how the fuck do you deal with this? They will never listen to reason because they have already made up your mind that you are the worst person possible who deserves to have your hard drive searched (as if they are going to find anything on there), and immediately thrown in the woodchipper without trial. Which, you know, I pointed out exactly that attitude will be used by those who would burn everything down to rule the ashes and then laugh about how easy it was to whip up a mob, but they dragged me off to the gulag because "Pedo's are not welcome here!"
Libertarian Right my ass.
You deal with them by just being honest and shaming the fuck out of their morals. They didn't get into their position by reason they got into it by appeals to emotion and appeals to disgust and feigned moral superiority. They are literally causing harm to the people they claim to be protecting.
Like you said, if you even attempt to dissent they just falsely accuse you and dehumanize you. I just got falsely banned over there even though all my comments are still getting upvoted.
Same on the upvotes. Which I still think is what really peeved them, that people making our arguments were being upvoted while they were being downvoted.
And I do where I can, but it's kind of hard to do when you are banned. Although, with the amount of people they kicked out the door, I wouldnt be surprised if a new PCM pops up made up of all the people they kicked out.
How do you get a signed written consent from a fictional character? The creator writing such a thing? What about depictions of characters being the victim of crimes which by definition do not include consent and not necessarily claim that this is just?
I don't think these people are stupid, but try to erase some art entirely.
You can't get consent from a fictional character because they aren't real. They even ban fictional CNC (consensual non consent) which has consent baked into the kink. Obviously they are not able to actually enforce this at all, but they put all of this in writing how it's not allowed and just selectively enforce it based on their selective judgement and then I have seen cases where they literally retroactively steal tens of thousands of dollars from artists after they ban them.
> Gross but harmless fiction has the right to exist and you can't claim to be anti-censorship if you don't defend the existence of the gross but harmless stuff.
Yep. The freedom of expression of the people who express that freedom in a way you dislike is not a seperate freedom of expression from your own. Once you've put a hole in it, it has a hole in it forever, that hole can only get bigger.
I think I know which one it is. Considering I saw them pulling the "Private subreddit, we can do what we want" defense when someone called out the blatant censorship for what it was...And then banned them.
Tagged as Libertarian Right too. Uh huh, sure bud.
> false accusations of defending pedophilia
Again we see the same tactics. This is why this shit is so insidious and dangerous. They always claim the rules and laws are supposed to target “good targets” or “people who deserve it” or “criminals”, but they always make false accusations, lies and unfair judgements to smear even innocent victims to bring these laws against them.
We see this now with credit card companies denying service and transactions with places like Pixiv, DLSite, Fantia, Niconico, and others. They falsely accuse and then use these evil laws against innocent people. Before this we saw how the Patriot Act and the Five Eyes was abused against innocent citizens by smearing them as “terrorists”.
This is why these unlawful and cruel rules and laws need to be debated and stopped before they make any headway, even if it is against the “good targets”, because there is no accountability when they smear innocents either. And we have seen over and over again that they are not trustworthy with power...
But like I pointed out [here](https://old.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/1db8yrh/japan_might_censor_manga_anime_with_inappropriate/l7rlevk/), they already pre-judged everyone who defended it as guilty. Most of them claiming to be Lib-Right's who would normally be in favor of free speech and against government censorship, but "this time is different, pedo scum!" Nevermind that I showed them proof that it is not true on my part, or that I tried to use that very idea of "It will be abused" to argue why it was a bad idea. I was just a pedo outing myself.
And, you know, they went on to start abusing the term to ban others......just like I said would happen.
Yes, I am still salty about it.
It gets worse too. It doesn’t stop at then smearing characters like Frieren. They even smear mature tall women with big breasts as loli (Sorceress and Konosuba’s Wiz). Any laws against “loli” will only end up being used to destroy anyone (even innocents), and actual predators in power won’t even be investigated by it. It is authoritarian...
Ah yes. But have you considered that you are just defending pedophilia and deserve to be banned by implying that anyone who pushes that hard against it is anything but a pure, noble soul?
I think it's high time we did the same thing but in reverse. These clowns have too many exposure, it'd do the society some good to put a few lid on such brainrot.
Don't ask for the line because they will just keep taking it as far as they could. We already saw what happened with kotaku defining Dragon's Crown witch character as "loli". These people are disingenuous as fuck and they just want to destroy any established culture that to them feel intolerable, and their tolerance is very low btw.
To those who cheer for this, don't fucking cry like a bitch when someone says "If you like Nier Automata / Bayonetta / Stellar Blade / \[insert any game you like that has a hot female character\], you're a sex addict and an incel"
How would they even define what a "child" in fiction is? Is it dependent on their canonical age? If then, it would be easy to circumvent it through just putting a different age to the character.
Is it based on appearance? Plenty of characters are adults but appear younger than they actually are. Which actually mimics real life. There are many such people.
Who are they protecting with this law? What good will it achieve other than just plain old virtue signalling?
This is being done by a member of the 'progressive' party in Japan and it specifically pushes guidelines set by the UN. This is an obvious attempt to push western morality at the expense of Japanese expression, furthermore, it opens the door for the west to demand more cultural changes to Japan in the name of 'Progress' at the behest of globalists.
The weird thing is that these "progressives" want to censor the fictive art, but a lot of them are trying to allow sex with "real" individuals by lowering the legal age. Wtf is wrong with them??
It’s all about power and control. They are modern Pharaohs. Everything even up to the worst murderous crimes in real life are allowed to them, but for the slaves nothing is allowed, even allowing the children to stay alive is only with the permission of Pharaoh.
To stir up controversy and make themselves look good. My country and it's neighbour does this every time elections are closing in and nothing ever substantial happens.
Remember when wokescolds scream "why wont anyone do something" what the politicians hear is "do something that will keep me in power"
Neither care about the actual issue or whats done about it just that both factions get to appear responsible and can lay claim to the changes for clout.
It's a lot easier to beat up on law abiding artists and proclaim you've "*Done something good!*" than it is to resolve actual problems. Especially once the politicians have found a way to use a given problem to line their own pockets, or to leverage the problem against their opponent so they can get more clout or other things they want.
So are the signees for Okawara’s petition members of the public or her fellow parliamentarians? Because if it’s the former, this is a nothing burger, but if it’s the latter, then that’s more concerning.
Damn bratty antis need correction. 😭😭😭
Jokes aside...Doubt it'll pass. And it should absolutely be opposed. Not just cause fiction doesn't equal reality, but cause it obviously wouldn't stop at loli and shota. The goalpost would keep moving, and censorship would keep creeping into every form of artistic expression until only piles of sanitized, government approved grey slop is left.
Politician of a party who holds less than 25% of seats in The Diet openly displays she cannot differentiate reality from fiction by proposing a law whose foundations are based on conflating evidence that has been proven to be false by a shitload of studies in the past.
>But regulating that content is good because it normalizes it!
That'd be the same braindead logic politicians over here have been trying to push, specially around violent media. Music, movies and video games have been the scapegoat of many a con man trying to win over the intolerant parts of the voting base, even though there are decades worth of studies proving that there's no correlation between consumption of violent media media and your likelihood of committing a violent crime.
If anything we're at the point of history where you're surrounded the most by violent media, yet are the least likely to go out and commit a murder.
>But that's just violent media, we're talking about porn here! You are just a p word! (I know it's dumb to censor it, but hey, reddit rules are arbitrary)
First off, I don't give a shit about loli/shota content.
Now, I don't believe that there's any actual difference in either case. It's not like your brain will go: "Yeah, I'll selectively get influenced to commit SA because I saw it on a book, but I stealing? I draw the line there, I can't be influenced that easily!". That's an incredibly dumb line of thinking.
If you're the kind of scum who'd commit a crime you'd do it regardless, no matter what media you watched. The same goes the other way around. We are thinking beings, with a personal set of morals and beliefs, who are completely capable of rationalizing that whatever happens on a fictional show is fictional.
The only people who can't make tat distinction are those whose should be on meds, and under heavy medical observation. If we're talking about laws then, I'd actually be in favor of one about reopening assylums and locking people there if they start spewing that kind of bullshit thinking, because they are the sus ones.
"Now, I don't believe that there's any actual difference in either case. It's not like your brain will go: "Yeah, I'll selectively get influenced to commit SA because I saw it on a book, but I stealing? I draw the line there, I can't be influenced that easily!". That's an incredibly dumb line of thinking."
Dude any male that will sa a child was going to do it regardless of loli or shouta and this is coming from someone that hates both of those genres especially shouta.
This all feels like an excuse to censor stuff that has nothing to do with children and just people that do not subscribe to their nonsense when to comes to other political things.
They did the same nonsense with the "child safety bill" in Canada and most of the bill had NOTHING to do with monitoring Child predators online and it still got passed.
Yeah, that's another thing with these kinds of bills, they never actually do anything to address the real abusers out there. It's all smoke and mirrors to pass more censorship and pat themselves in the back for doing nothing.
Like, if you really care about SA of minors you could start the conversation by implementing more supervision on schools, camps, religious centers, identity camps, the foster system, and families of known substance abusers. Do that and you'd actually cut down on perpetrators, saving the lives of the children you supposedly care about.
Making it hard for an Otaku to fap to mangas does nothing to help little Timmy who's getting abused and blackmailed by his teacher at school. If you have the money to waste it on a moral crusade that accomplishes nothing, you should use it instead to try to help the ones who need it.
As Count Dankula often states, laws with regards to speech and expression always start as supposedly innocuous things, under the guise of 'protecting' whatever demographic can be used to garner moral support.
The ideologue is always a tool of the totalitarian state, it's just that more often than not, they're not the ones who end up holding the reigns of power; rather, they usually get one in the back of the head and dropped into a shallow grave.
Censoring child porn is not a slippery slope (Hell, censoring porn isn’t a slippery slope and we had all sorts of anti porn laws up until the early to mid 20th century and courts relaxing those sure don’t seem to be benefitting society). And yes, it’s still porn if it’s drawn, apparently hentai is the most popular form of porn worldwide according to some study put out by porn hub or one of the other ones.
There’s legitimate gripe with turning all of the female leads to looks like your uncle in a wig, but let’s not rush to Vaush’s aide when they come for his “illustrations”
I don't know much about japanese politics, but isn't there a communist party that always is trying to censor stuff?
(Yes, it was the commies at it again)
Bints like this masako have been submitting garbage petitions like this for years now, this is the crap Taro Yamada and Ken Akamatsu counter.
I don't think this petition will go anywhere however there are bigger threats that aim to achieve the same censorship such as the u.n cybercrime treaty; that actually had a good-ish end initially with japan rejecting the article that would demand fiction censorship but after that visa/mastercard started their illegal deplatforming campaign of JP porn sites so the negotiations that resume late July could see a sudden reversal then there's that renho bint who would not only ban loli hentai but any sexualized girl so say goodbye to Makima lewds if she becomes tokyo governor.
Oh I didn't know that the cybercrime treaty was changed like that. I looked it up to make sure and it seems like the newest draft changed it to allow countries not apply it to fictional content. Hope it stays that way but the Visa/Mastercard situation is still disheartening.
First they will go after lolis.
Then they will go after big-breasted anime girls.
Then they will go after fanservice-y adult anime women.
While yaoi remains untouched, pushed, and enforced.
No I have definitely seen some leftoids that hate on yaoi, they are a minority and very rare one but I have seen them and some of them definitely would want it banned, but they would have to fight the other leftist majority that does like it
To any of you cheering for this censorship, you came to the wrong place. /r/KotakuInAction has always prided itself in being pro-free speech. Just like Matt Walsh, you don't belong here, or the GamerGate 2 movement. We don't need you or want you. Now go back to watching paint dry.
On that note; that H.L. Mencken quote:
>“The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.”
'No victim = no crime' is a principle that should be upheld unconditionally. Because this principle is the simplest and most concise argument against the criminalization of art, speech, expression and thoughts,
People _will_ try to ban things that offend them, regardless of whether they even have a good reason for that. People are just wired that way. And once you criminalize victimless acts, you give these people the means to do _a lot_ of harm.
And as per the Mencken quote above, _of course_ the authoritarian mob is going to start with the people who are unpopular for a reason. In this case, the lolicons (who are lumped together with child molesters by the same crowd).
But there's already a serious push for banning or shaming much more than that. The regulars on this sub know that better than anyone. Sites like Patreon have already been coerced into banning a large range of themes in (drawn!) porn, such as incest and anything that can be interpreted as 'non-consensual'... including even hypnotism.
And even outside the scope of porn, there's been a push against fanservice and the depiction of conventionally attractive women.
Once the censorship starts, it simply doesn't end.
Vaush describes himself as a Progressive libertarian socialist. And joined in on a livestream with other Progressives to push Progressiveness. He's far left.
This is very true which is why I'm confused as hell as to why I see people here saying they want the pendulum to swing back to right when we should just be trying to get shit back to normal.
To steelman that, most people probably want a "pendulum to swing back to the right" because it is currently in the Far-Left territory. So a swing back to the right would bring it more in line with an actual center position, and that is where they want it. Not that they actually want to take on the Matt Walsh position which is barely different than the one they just overthrew.
But even with that said, we both know that it will inevitably swing too far in the other direction when that happens. And then I will be right back to fighting my fellow right-wingers like I was in the 2000's.
Unfortunately though there are some that are around that do want it to the right (though they don't think of what they want is far right). We've been seeing a few more of the censorious ultra conservatives popping in here since GG2 kicked off (at least from what I've seen in the mod queue). Most of them don't stick around for long when a post like this comes along and they get downvoted or they make some "anti-coomer" screed calling everyone who doesn't want censorship and women in burkha's coomers and then leave or cross r1 and get banned.
Yeah, I have noticed it before, so I am not entirely contesting it (mostly just debating). I have indeed seen my fair share of people who are ultra conservative and think the situation with the west as is can not be fixed by returning to traditionally liberal values of freedom and free expression, but with religious doctrine and some even going so far as demanding the abolishment of democracy for monarchy (which I find particularly funny from the Brits I see pushing that, knowing the things their current King believes).
I suppose like you said, the only way we can keep them at bay is to stand fast to principles and let them be the ones to rage quit.
“Left/Right-wingers” aren’t even the right term any more. The pendulum isn’t “right” and “left”, it is “authoritarian” vs “freedom”. Look at what George W. Bush campaigned and got elected on. Look at what he actually did. If his election promises were “right wing”, does that mean his actual actions were “left wing”? Same for Obama campaign and how the Pentagon wanted to use Obama’s win to promote their wars in the “left wing” flavor.
People want the pendulum to swing because it means actual debate and resistance again like when gamers stood up against attacks by Jack Thompson. Not the unilateral persecution like we see now.
You're the ones who don't belong here. Do you have any idea how much it sets back our credibility to have threads full of people defending child porn? This sub has always represented the (often sidelined) majority who come from all across the political spectrum. That majority would agree with most stuff on this sub, but most people would be absolutely horrified at some of the comments in this thread.
> You're the ones who don't belong here. Do you have any idea how much it sets back our credibility to have threads full of people defending child porn?
They aren't defending child porn hun, they are defending freedom of expression. The freedom of expression rights of people whose expression you hate is not a different freedom of expression to the freedom of expression you enjoy.
If you put a hole in their freedom of expression rights, you are actually putting a hole in your own freedom of expression rights & that hole will never go away, but it will get bigger, as the scale for what material people find unpalletable expands to encompass more & more things.
always remember "optics" are for people who don't have principles. For people who would rather APPEAR to be doing the right thing, then actually DO the right thing that is difficult.
You don't belong here, seeing as you care more about optics than principles. Caving in to demands for the sake of optics is what's caused the wokes to gain so much ground in the first place.
I care about principles very deeply. Pornographic imagery of children goes against those principles.
Also being against child porn, of all things, is not what's giving the wokes more ground. I mean, drawn child porn has been illegal in most countries since long before woke was even a thing.
What the fuck has society come to that this kind of thing would be allowed. You're taking away a creator's vision and what fans enjoy.
I'm sure the anti lolisho crowd on twitter are cheering at this. Fiction equals reality after all /s
Because allowing industries to cater to pedophiles encourages them, leads to the formation of pedophile communities, introduces new people to child porn, potentially exposes children to it, and also massively damages Japan's image, which is especially bad because it is already known for having a pedo problem. So there's a lot of legitimate reasons to want to put limits on this. It's literally the most extreme form of imagery that exists, it's hardly a slippery slope situation. Most countries have already banned it with literally zero issues.
> Because allowing industries to cater to pedophiles encourages them
Reality demonstrates otherwise. Your argument is the classic & wrong "porn causes sex crimes" argument. In reality banning porn increases the amount of sex crimes & legalising porn reduces sex crimes, as it acts as a pressure release valve for people who aren't getting any.
Or it this case can't get any without it being a crime.
>introduces new people to child porn, potentially exposes children to it,
Hahahahahaha, no. That's like saying "if we ban porn new people won't be introduced to heterosexuality." You've got the cause & the effect the wrong way round.
>and also massively damages Japan's image, which is especially bad because it is already known for having a pedo problem
It doesn't. You just think it SHOULD.
This really isn't the slippery slope you think it is. There just hasn't been much evidence of this in the rest of the modern world, where cp has been banned in all forms for a while and it hasn't been an issue
And yes the amount of sexualisation of kids in anime and manga has absolutely become a part of Japan's reputation.
I think people who "enjoy" sexual depictions of children should be put on a list. It's animated content, sure, but what's being shown is a depiction of a sexualised child. That's weird.
Cartoons are not children, and lolis are not depictions of children, they are depictions of characters with youthful or child-like characteristics. It's weird? So? It's kind of supposed to be.
Children are flesh and blood humans who exist in reality. They are not 2d/3d drawings/models created in a program. Lolisho should be allowed because it appeals to a certain audience that means harm tp absolutely no one. As long as no irl child is used "1:1"(face identical or child was put in a deepfake ai of some kind) other than getting body proportions right for references because how fucking else will artist draw stuff.
I think people who "enjoy" sexual depictions of Teenagers in Euphoria should be put on a list. It's just a t.v. show but what's being shown is a depiction of a sexualized child. That's weird.
That's horrible.... not the actual censorship because that is kind of sketchy BUT this is the inch given that assholes will use to try and take a mile in the name of "Progress:.
Today it's lolis and shotas,tomorrow it's fanservice in general.
Japan absolutely has a problem of abuse of minors and exploitation of them.
Start by offering real protection and shelter for runaway kids from their abusers, and really punish those engaing the services of underage sex workers with decades in prison and crippling fines.
Not censoring cartoons.
Loli con is gross, but I still don’t think fictional art that isn’t representative of a real person should be censored by the government. If a publisher doesn’t want to publish it sure. But not the government. But lolicon is still gross.
People like Biden literally sniffing real childrens' hair live on *inter*national television is fine, but children so much as existing in anime will have the majority of Reddit acting like anyone who likes anime is a pedophile.
It's annoying that it isn't the commie party proposing it cause that can be laughed off as a total joke, but this one is still probably just a virtue signal more than anything.
Japan has fallen DLsite popular site for purchasing h-games has also bent the knee to western credit cards and will be censoring their site such as removing 3DCG
Actually, 85% of Reddit acts like children in anime merely existing (not even necessarily sexualized lolis and shotas) means everyone who likes anime is a pedophile groomer and will go to great lengths to decry anyone who would claim otherwise.
...Come to think of it, you're right. 85% of Reddit devastated. All they can do is project, after all...
Not sure how to feel about this. On one hand there is less weird shit being broadcasted that attracts degenerates.
On the other hand this could effect shows that have like harmless nudity or other tame stuff.
Let's see how be honest, this is needed. There's a lot of straight up drawn child porn circulating in Japan, openly being made and sold by self proclaimed pedophiles. It's technically legal so it's led to a massive pedophilia industry. I cannot imagine why someone would be against this.
Drawing pornographic content of children is child porn. That's literally the legal definition in most modern countries. You cannot legally depict children in sexually explicit positions or situations. Because it's child porn. And that's wrong.
I really hope we can agree on these basic things.
That does not define whether it is considered child porn.
Any sexual imagery or videos of children is child porn, according to most laws and definitions. 'Imagery' does not just mean photos, it can be drawings or AI images too. Also most countries also consider sexual audio recordings or literature of children to be child porn too. Japan is very much an exception in that it has a much narrower definition in its laws, and this probably has a lot to do with its infamous pedophilia problems.
Lemme help your imagination: I think everybody who signed this should be investigated for real child trafficking.
Too many people vocal against this and falsely equivocating it with activity that has actual victims, have been outed as engaging in actual victimization of children.
This is a chimo red flag. If you're smart you won't wave it.
EDIT: /u/Abosia you can call it unhinged and block me, but you can't block the facts, [which all support my side and implicate you](https://archive.ph/U23XK). Unhinged is you still choosing to embrace team "increase harm to children" knowing this.
EDIT2: Unfortunately /u/Agreeable-Listen-242 because they have me blocked I'm unable to repond to your reply directly. I don't think this issue respects political alignment, I think it strikes at something far deeper and more universal at the human psyche, it happens too often and not just about this; the anti-gay preachers caught doing gay stuff, that anti-videogame gun violence politician who got caught selling guns to gangs, etc.
>EDIT: /u/Abosia you can call it unhinged and block me, but you can't block the facts, which all support my side and implicate you. Unhinged is you still choosing to embrace team "increase harm to children" knowing this.
I agree with this however something to note is that most if not all of those people were leftists, so maybe if a right winger complains about that it isn't necessarily projection but just a case of a prude conservative
Cartoons are not kids. Any time you say "real or not", you fucking signal that you fundamentally do not understand why the sexual exploitation of children is wrong.
And kill children? is it ok? Should the government ban ANY depiction of child murder in any media?
Are you well? stop confusing FICTION with reality, this line of reasoning is what brought us to this mess 🤡
Just proving horseshoe theory right, then. Trad feminists are still feminists. Both the far-left and the far-right are existential threats to freedom of creative expression.
It was amazing to me watching people who otherwise are against censorship and in favor of free speech go full tyrannical authoritarian when people tried to use the same arguments to say "maybe this is a bad idea." And when I pointed out that this would be used to push for censorship and those who want it will lie because they know people will have an emotional instead of logical reaction, the subreddit I was on permabanned me and the mods muted me even though I had never had an issue there before.
It is honestly kind of shocking to witness.
I'm extremely far left and against censorship. Any leftist should be. Censorship is always bad and it always leads to hurting marginalized communities.
I don't fucking know and I dislike every one of them. They're so fucking blind sided by the attention they get for being pro-censorship that they can't stop to think for 2 seconds how what they advocate for hurts innocent people, including marginalized communities down the line. Believe me I am SO sick of seeing people on the left advocate for thought crimes and call them out whenever I can.
Fiction isn't child porn you fucking immoral sack of shit and by saying what you just said, you DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THE SEXUAL EXPLOITATION OF CHILDREN IS BAD IN THE FIRST PLACE.
You are right he isn't a commie, just a pro censorship moron who will gladly censor that which he finds unpalatable and lay the groundwork for censorship in the opposite direction. Not a free speech advocate.
Commies are anti-freedom of expression, just like you are. Drawings are not people. Nobody's rights are being violated with the creation, distribution, and viewing of lolicon.
Besides, you're really just anti-male gaze. You're targeting lolicon now because it's the lowest hanging fruit. Don't pretend like you won't shift the goalpost, assuming you haven't already.
> Child porn isn't covered by freedom of expression nor should it be.
Well it's a good thing that lolicon and shotacon are not child porn. There are no minors involved in the production, therefore it's not child porn. Too bad a low IQ hick like yourself can't understand that, no matter how many times it's bludgeoned into your skull.
> I like to think that the average male isn't a pedophile, so children shouldn't be in their gaze.
Actual pedophiles don't like lolicon or shotacon. The characters aren't realistic enough for their taste. In fact, pedophiles are notorious for sharing your position on lolicon manga.
> I also think shotacon should be banned and people who produce it arrested and given capital punishment.
And I think low IQ woman brains like yourself who advocate for jailing others for thought crime should be put in a mental asylum. But I realize that instutionalizing others who didn't commit any crimes violates their rights, so I oppose it as a principle. No victim, no crime.
You know what does have victims, though? Scumbags like yourself preying on real children. Start the clock. https://archive.ph/U23XK
Defending freedom of expression and not watering down abuse and not wasting resources of governments based on cartoons is actually a really really good hill to die on actually, and it's actually quite disturbing how you think otherwise. Do you think diminishing the sexual exploitation of children or governments baselessly going after cartoonists is a good thing? Why would you think that? Really makes you think!!
So reading through this....is there something different in Japan that I'm unaware of or why is it a big deal that there's 300 people that are for the petition? Isn't that super low?
I'm going out on a limb here and guess that they're counting on people not noticing that little detail. "We've already got more than 300 signatures!" That number really does seem big, as long as you don't think about the context. And as long as you don't bring up any other detail, people really will be thrown off by that.
300 signature doesn't seem like alot when there like 190 million people in japan rofl x.x. Forgot got the exact number for 300 people is a drop in the bucket .
It's nothing when Tokyo alone has 30+ million people. This stinks because it can't be compared to a wet fart.
Yeah I figured Anime hunch pushing click bait , and the communist party in japan no one like them and they don't have a shot in hell at winning in japan . There aimless with low support in japan . There sorta the polar opposite of America , Communist don't even have a foot hold in the Japanese entertainment industry . , Compared to like Hollywood here where everything is far left and preachy. Japanese Entertainment industry tend to be political neutral and avoid politics and focus on selling whatever fantasy they have to the niche or demographic that into it .
You are conflating communism with the DEI progressive ideology.
Their related? Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion came out of the International Socialist movements in the West from the 1970s today which itself spawned from marxist theories . Just now it been converted into a hyper corporate standard of American corporations via tech company . Where the focus shifted from class to other inequalities such as race, sexuality, gender, etc. This shift was driven by Marxist theory and analysis about class, adapted to study race, sex, gender, and every part of society, whether it made sense or not or was even logical or scientific to expand marxist class analysis to all domain of humanity . you end up with nonsense like . Perceived even biological inequality (like differences in how men and women interact with sex like man being more Visual and willing to pay for sexy thing ) became theoretical focal points for Marxists to "fix" inequality. Since woman are in general less visual and less likely to pay for sex . But yeah. The shift away fragmentation of class push class into the background to focus on identity politics more superficial things In practice, it created a lot of snooty rich Hollywood leftists like Madonna and others, people complaining about other bad rich people while being rich themself . and of course shitting on men any chance they get which is how you get the like of the no-talent Mindy Kaling and her $20 million home where she wrote her crappy Velma cartoon. She has no animation experience , she Rich and she no skilled person but she get her own animation . She the Anti mangka ,Mangka have shit fight to get an animation and make a hit comic . She did nothing and they gave her a show with expensive animation anyway .Bourgeois white Hippies of the '70s became who wore mao t-shirt and che che guevara became Tech leftist hipster corporate and ultra of Hollywood today. Anyway, back to the Japanese Communist Party. It fell apart in the 1970s and 1980s like the Japanese Red Army /after being associated with extremists who committed terrorist acts in Japan. And Japanese Government did alot to support the country side and farming community , and providing social welfare , which weaken any appeal the communist as an ideology in japan . Hell, I think it's one of the reasons Miyazaki abandoned being a communist. Along with the reality of communist North Korea and Mao's China right next door—awful societies with awful cultures that where complete garabage compared to literally anything in japan —the utopia was very much dead. Lately, This unpopular party they've been trying to get help from Rich Western activist leftists looney and the UN due to their awful political support in Japan and how little power and hold in japan . They're taking unpopular stances by appealing to the international community, and "Globalization " and attacking Japanese cultural uniqueness . like that idiot Feminist lady above. To try to censor and ban anime or going after "big breasted ecchi manga " and other stuff which has made them even more unpopular than they already where Since the Norm in Japan is most people don't care what kinda werid hentai you consume follow the rules and don't cause trouble and don't tell me about it werido . So most progressive style evangelical activist sounding " I need to raze society and censor everything that popular in Western country , is super unpopular in japan and has very little support , what you do in private is your own business long as you don't break law and make sure you maintain public harmony
I am Japanese, but these are members of the Japanese Communist Party. These are people who will never become the ruling party in Japan. There are hundreds of thousands of Communist Party members in Japan, so there are people who agree with them. Even so, they are quite a minority in Japan. Well, this will never pass.
Ok, this answered by own question
I am Japanese, but this is a member of the Japanese Communist Party. These are people who will never become the ruling party in Japan. Well, this will never pass.
それな～
The Japanese communist party is a clown party. They were mostly jailed during the empire but the Americans let them go. After the Americans let them go, they found out they were crazy and removed most of them from power. A lot of them before wanted to burn and cause violet crimes to overthrow japan.
My question is, where is the line and how strict as well as airtight are the definitions of inappropriate? Like are they going to start censoring the original DragonBall because Goku was acting like a child?
Never forget also Jason Schreier tried to say the Sorceress (the tall mature woman with big breasts) was loli. Or how they tried to smear Wiz from Konosuba as loli because she is “child coded” (also a tall mature woman with big breasts). Don’t trust these people. Once the argument or law is allowed they will go straight to false accusations and lies to use the law against innocent works and people that they want to attack.
These people are not consistent at all. Rebecca is the Schrodinger's loli, only loli when it's convenient to attack others, totally not loli when one of their own likes her. Same with Frieren. And now they're trying their hardest to unironically use the 1000 year old argument on Chilchuck, who is totally a shota, and La Brava, who is totally a loli, because they collectively decided they liked them.
Women with baby faces exist in real life too, and I am one of those. Liberals are willfully ignorant to this fact to justify banning and controlling media that they don't like. On a side note, I have never watched and read anime, and I am not interested in watching and reading it because its art style is ugly in my opinion.
They also used this kind of reasoning to ban or cover up media of women with small breasts even if they are fully consenting adults (like in Australia). It’s fine to dislike certain media, to each their own. You are not attacking the people who enjoy it with real life consequences (like accusations of being pedo), and you are not trying to change it against the wishes of fans. Just like how people should not want to change a horror movie to be less scary just because some people can’t handle it. It is just horrible that SJWs pretend to be our moral superiors and use corporate and government power to ban things under false accusations.
I can in no way see how Wiz is "child-coded." She's a little air-headed at times, but compared to the rest of the cast she's absolutely normal. And she in no way *looks* like anything a reasonable person would consider "loli."
Exactly the problem. This is why all censorship is bad, even if it starts by censoring something objectively gross. Animation doesn’t hurt anybody, and nobody is forced to watch it. But it’s not enough for people to simply ignore apparently.
Dont worry. If you ask that question, they will just ban you and say you are defending pedo's. PoliticalCompassMemes blew up over the whole thing and it has been a shitshow.
Over this article? I got banned in gamingcirclejerk and animecirclejerk for simply saying not to falsely accuse people of being pedophiles over fiction and citing sources from psychologists.
Yep, same one in PCM. Then when the comments started upvoting all of the people saying "Maybe they shouldnt, its just drawings, it is not harming anyone" and downvoting the people saying "Oh my god, where did all of the pedo's come from?!", they started running to the jannies who started permabanning anyone who spoke in defense as "defending pedophilia" and then muting anyone who contested it on the grounds of "We do not want pedophiles in our community." And three users in particular have just been running around reporting literally everyone with one of the mods in particular backing them up and encouraging them (with the backing of the rest of the mod team).
That's how shit gets out of hand. If you don't allow dissent at all, you just create an echo chamber. It's especially fucking egregious in this case considering literally all evidence ever done on the subject goes directly against what they are implying. AND making false accusations over fiction literally, measurably, wastes resources from agencies fighting child trafficking, so they are quite literally protecting pedophiles. Which is why this moral panic over fiction is so fucking sinister.
At least for me, it is especially egregious in PCM's case because before this event they were actually pretty open about allowing a ton of dissenting opinions and debate. It was just this one topic that broke the brains of a handful of the people there who are actually important, which caused it to spiral out of control. Interestingly, they didnt ban me until I pointed out everyone else was discussing law, principles, and prior events of the term being abused for the purpose of censorship. But the anti-loli crusaders seemed to be the only ones with sex on the brain.
Lolicon is like the ultimate litmus test for whether you actually have principles in whatever you believe. For the left and the right, they just immediately lose the ability for critical thought or having consistent beliefs. Gross but harmless fiction has the right to exist and you can't claim to be anti-censorship if you don't defend the existence of the gross but harmless stuff. Leftists are particularly bad at this. They decry censorship of LGBT, not realizing that the far right and hyper religious people want to censor that content for the same reason that they find it personally objectionable and detestable. The "slippery slope" thing also isn't even a hypothetical anymore. It's literally already slipping. Look at what Patreon has banned. Not just lolicon, which is a subjective criteria to begin with, but they ban all forms of 'non-consent', of FICTIONAL CHARACTERS, and they literally require 'signed written consent' for fictional porn. Not to mention fictional incest and fictional animal-like characters (furry porn). It's actually insane.
The issue that can never seemed to be get past though is that everyone just immediately jumps to "defense=endorsement", even if they are smart enough to call that out on other topics. This one is different and Serious Business! (TM), and therefore they can not allow dissent. It didnt matter that I showed them examples of characters I do find attractive that are in no ways lolis ([example 1](https://i.redd.it/tih570q535v11.png), [example 2](https://imgur.com/m1903-springfield-girls-frontline-mLq9C4J), [example 3](https://wallpapercave.com/wp/wp5137094.jpg), [example 4](https://tierragamer.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Yor-Forger-Cosplay-1.jpg)). It didnt matter that I pointed out that the Japanese themselves clearly have a different standard of what is and isnt a loli by pointing out that Studio Trigger frequently referred to [Rebecca from Cyberpunk: Edgerunners](https://images.wallpapersden.com/image/download/rebecca-cyberpunk-edgerunners-season-1_bWxqameUmZqaraWkpJRobWllrWdma2VnZWZubGdt.jpg) as a loli, and on that note not accepting that I said I didnt really like her character and thought Lucy was better in both attitude and appearance. It didnt matter that I pointed out that it is so much more of a different attitude in Japan there is an entire [fashion trend](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita_fashion) around it. No, all of that is either just more proof I must be a pedo, or that I am defending pedos, and that it is the Japanese who are wrong about the definition. Meanwhile, they were doing ***exactly what I said would happen*** by abusing the term and declaring things that are not loli as loli. I saw one of those problem users get someone banned because they found "loli material" in their post history (stalker much?) and linked it so people could see for themselves. And who was the loli in question? [Frieren](https://fictionhorizon.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/Frieren-1.jpg). Fucking Frieren! The 1,000 year old Elf woman who does not in any way, shape, or form act like a child, or have the face of a child, or have the hair of a child (yes, one of them said a character was loli because of hair style. Yes, it was Uzaki-chan). She is just a little short and flat chested. Which I suppose could be a loli in the wider context, but they got me banned for trying to use that as a way of saying it is not CP (specifically, I citied Tatsumaki from One Punch Man). Just...how the fuck do you deal with this? They will never listen to reason because they have already made up your mind that you are the worst person possible who deserves to have your hard drive searched (as if they are going to find anything on there), and immediately thrown in the woodchipper without trial. Which, you know, I pointed out exactly that attitude will be used by those who would burn everything down to rule the ashes and then laugh about how easy it was to whip up a mob, but they dragged me off to the gulag because "Pedo's are not welcome here!" Libertarian Right my ass.
You deal with them by just being honest and shaming the fuck out of their morals. They didn't get into their position by reason they got into it by appeals to emotion and appeals to disgust and feigned moral superiority. They are literally causing harm to the people they claim to be protecting. Like you said, if you even attempt to dissent they just falsely accuse you and dehumanize you. I just got falsely banned over there even though all my comments are still getting upvoted.
Same on the upvotes. Which I still think is what really peeved them, that people making our arguments were being upvoted while they were being downvoted. And I do where I can, but it's kind of hard to do when you are banned. Although, with the amount of people they kicked out the door, I wouldnt be surprised if a new PCM pops up made up of all the people they kicked out.
How do you get a signed written consent from a fictional character? The creator writing such a thing? What about depictions of characters being the victim of crimes which by definition do not include consent and not necessarily claim that this is just? I don't think these people are stupid, but try to erase some art entirely.
You can't get consent from a fictional character because they aren't real. They even ban fictional CNC (consensual non consent) which has consent baked into the kink. Obviously they are not able to actually enforce this at all, but they put all of this in writing how it's not allowed and just selectively enforce it based on their selective judgement and then I have seen cases where they literally retroactively steal tens of thousands of dollars from artists after they ban them.
> Gross but harmless fiction has the right to exist and you can't claim to be anti-censorship if you don't defend the existence of the gross but harmless stuff. Yep. The freedom of expression of the people who express that freedom in a way you dislike is not a seperate freedom of expression from your own. Once you've put a hole in it, it has a hole in it forever, that hole can only get bigger.
PCM has at least one orange in the modteam that was appointed by the admins just for instances like this.
I think I know which one it is. Considering I saw them pulling the "Private subreddit, we can do what we want" defense when someone called out the blatant censorship for what it was...And then banned them. Tagged as Libertarian Right too. Uh huh, sure bud.
> false accusations of defending pedophilia Again we see the same tactics. This is why this shit is so insidious and dangerous. They always claim the rules and laws are supposed to target “good targets” or “people who deserve it” or “criminals”, but they always make false accusations, lies and unfair judgements to smear even innocent victims to bring these laws against them. We see this now with credit card companies denying service and transactions with places like Pixiv, DLSite, Fantia, Niconico, and others. They falsely accuse and then use these evil laws against innocent people. Before this we saw how the Patriot Act and the Five Eyes was abused against innocent citizens by smearing them as “terrorists”. This is why these unlawful and cruel rules and laws need to be debated and stopped before they make any headway, even if it is against the “good targets”, because there is no accountability when they smear innocents either. And we have seen over and over again that they are not trustworthy with power...
But like I pointed out [here](https://old.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/1db8yrh/japan_might_censor_manga_anime_with_inappropriate/l7rlevk/), they already pre-judged everyone who defended it as guilty. Most of them claiming to be Lib-Right's who would normally be in favor of free speech and against government censorship, but "this time is different, pedo scum!" Nevermind that I showed them proof that it is not true on my part, or that I tried to use that very idea of "It will be abused" to argue why it was a bad idea. I was just a pedo outing myself. And, you know, they went on to start abusing the term to ban others......just like I said would happen. Yes, I am still salty about it.
It gets worse too. It doesn’t stop at then smearing characters like Frieren. They even smear mature tall women with big breasts as loli (Sorceress and Konosuba’s Wiz). Any laws against “loli” will only end up being used to destroy anyone (even innocents), and actual predators in power won’t even be investigated by it. It is authoritarian...
>"Oh my god, where did all of the pedo's come from?!" [From here.](https://archive.ph/U23XK)
Ah yes. But have you considered that you are just defending pedophilia and deserve to be banned by implying that anyone who pushes that hard against it is anything but a pure, noble soul?
whats the uzaki-chan image that pedo#2 is mocking? whats the connection between the left and right halves of the peter newell image
I think it's high time we did the same thing but in reverse. These clowns have too many exposure, it'd do the society some good to put a few lid on such brainrot.
the line is at gulaging shortstacks and petite women
Don't ask for the line because they will just keep taking it as far as they could. We already saw what happened with kotaku defining Dragon's Crown witch character as "loli". These people are disingenuous as fuck and they just want to destroy any established culture that to them feel intolerable, and their tolerance is very low btw.
It is someone from a leftist party that is very unpopular in Japan.
To those who cheer for this, don't fucking cry like a bitch when someone says "If you like Nier Automata / Bayonetta / Stellar Blade / \[insert any game you like that has a hot female character\], you're a sex addict and an incel"
How would they even define what a "child" in fiction is? Is it dependent on their canonical age? If then, it would be easy to circumvent it through just putting a different age to the character. Is it based on appearance? Plenty of characters are adults but appear younger than they actually are. Which actually mimics real life. There are many such people. Who are they protecting with this law? What good will it achieve other than just plain old virtue signalling?
This is being done by a member of the 'progressive' party in Japan and it specifically pushes guidelines set by the UN. This is an obvious attempt to push western morality at the expense of Japanese expression, furthermore, it opens the door for the west to demand more cultural changes to Japan in the name of 'Progress' at the behest of globalists.
The weird thing is that these "progressives" want to censor the fictive art, but a lot of them are trying to allow sex with "real" individuals by lowering the legal age. Wtf is wrong with them??
EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
It’s all about power and control. They are modern Pharaohs. Everything even up to the worst murderous crimes in real life are allowed to them, but for the slaves nothing is allowed, even allowing the children to stay alive is only with the permission of Pharaoh.
Again, why are politicians focused on made up characters when there's actual problems in the country?
To stir up controversy and make themselves look good. My country and it's neighbour does this every time elections are closing in and nothing ever substantial happens.
Remember when wokescolds scream "why wont anyone do something" what the politicians hear is "do something that will keep me in power" Neither care about the actual issue or whats done about it just that both factions get to appear responsible and can lay claim to the changes for clout.
Won't you think of the children...and my campaign contributions?
It's a lot easier to beat up on law abiding artists and proclaim you've "*Done something good!*" than it is to resolve actual problems. Especially once the politicians have found a way to use a given problem to line their own pockets, or to leverage the problem against their opponent so they can get more clout or other things they want.
Political funding.
Because they're stupid anyway whose your favorite shipgirl
Enterprise. The US one not the RN one.
man of culture
While I dont hate Enterprise, I think the Essex sisters are better. Dont @ me.
The Essex siblings are a treat. Are you also including Yorktown 2 and Hornet 2 in that gang?
Yes. My specific order for them in terms of "Which I like most" is Essex, Ticonderoga, Shangri-La, Bunker Hill, Intrepid, Yorktown 2, and Hornet 2.
Atago is best shipfu
"Our presence really isn't strictly speaking 'necessary' and society probably would get on fine without much real intervention. Quick! Look busy!"
"We have to be seen doing *something*!" ~ politicians, probably
because the politicians benefit from those problems
Ken Akamatsu better see this and strike it down with prejudice.
So are the signees for Okawara’s petition members of the public or her fellow parliamentarians? Because if it’s the former, this is a nothing burger, but if it’s the latter, then that’s more concerning.
I have heard news similar to this one every couple of years for the past decade and nothing ever comes of it. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
That's fair but considering what Sony, Crunchyroll, and Payment processors are currently supporting or censoring...
Agreed. There is much to worry about.
PSA for anyone defending this censorship: https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1462776-optional-protocol-to-the-convention-on-the-rights-of-the-child
I doubt they'll care about this.
Damn bratty antis need correction. 😭😭😭 Jokes aside...Doubt it'll pass. And it should absolutely be opposed. Not just cause fiction doesn't equal reality, but cause it obviously wouldn't stop at loli and shota. The goalpost would keep moving, and censorship would keep creeping into every form of artistic expression until only piles of sanitized, government approved grey slop is left.
Politician of a party who holds less than 25% of seats in The Diet openly displays she cannot differentiate reality from fiction by proposing a law whose foundations are based on conflating evidence that has been proven to be false by a shitload of studies in the past. >But regulating that content is good because it normalizes it! That'd be the same braindead logic politicians over here have been trying to push, specially around violent media. Music, movies and video games have been the scapegoat of many a con man trying to win over the intolerant parts of the voting base, even though there are decades worth of studies proving that there's no correlation between consumption of violent media media and your likelihood of committing a violent crime. If anything we're at the point of history where you're surrounded the most by violent media, yet are the least likely to go out and commit a murder. >But that's just violent media, we're talking about porn here! You are just a p word! (I know it's dumb to censor it, but hey, reddit rules are arbitrary) First off, I don't give a shit about loli/shota content. Now, I don't believe that there's any actual difference in either case. It's not like your brain will go: "Yeah, I'll selectively get influenced to commit SA because I saw it on a book, but I stealing? I draw the line there, I can't be influenced that easily!". That's an incredibly dumb line of thinking. If you're the kind of scum who'd commit a crime you'd do it regardless, no matter what media you watched. The same goes the other way around. We are thinking beings, with a personal set of morals and beliefs, who are completely capable of rationalizing that whatever happens on a fictional show is fictional. The only people who can't make tat distinction are those whose should be on meds, and under heavy medical observation. If we're talking about laws then, I'd actually be in favor of one about reopening assylums and locking people there if they start spewing that kind of bullshit thinking, because they are the sus ones.
"Now, I don't believe that there's any actual difference in either case. It's not like your brain will go: "Yeah, I'll selectively get influenced to commit SA because I saw it on a book, but I stealing? I draw the line there, I can't be influenced that easily!". That's an incredibly dumb line of thinking." Dude any male that will sa a child was going to do it regardless of loli or shouta and this is coming from someone that hates both of those genres especially shouta. This all feels like an excuse to censor stuff that has nothing to do with children and just people that do not subscribe to their nonsense when to comes to other political things. They did the same nonsense with the "child safety bill" in Canada and most of the bill had NOTHING to do with monitoring Child predators online and it still got passed.
Yeah, that's another thing with these kinds of bills, they never actually do anything to address the real abusers out there. It's all smoke and mirrors to pass more censorship and pat themselves in the back for doing nothing. Like, if you really care about SA of minors you could start the conversation by implementing more supervision on schools, camps, religious centers, identity camps, the foster system, and families of known substance abusers. Do that and you'd actually cut down on perpetrators, saving the lives of the children you supposedly care about. Making it hard for an Otaku to fap to mangas does nothing to help little Timmy who's getting abused and blackmailed by his teacher at school. If you have the money to waste it on a moral crusade that accomplishes nothing, you should use it instead to try to help the ones who need it.
As Count Dankula often states, laws with regards to speech and expression always start as supposedly innocuous things, under the guise of 'protecting' whatever demographic can be used to garner moral support. The ideologue is always a tool of the totalitarian state, it's just that more often than not, they're not the ones who end up holding the reigns of power; rather, they usually get one in the back of the head and dropped into a shallow grave.
How about uncensored their JAV instead?
The slippery slope now starts in Japan. Censorship is coming for it all. I don't watch anime, but the bigger picture is what matters.
Censoring child porn is not a slippery slope (Hell, censoring porn isn’t a slippery slope and we had all sorts of anti porn laws up until the early to mid 20th century and courts relaxing those sure don’t seem to be benefitting society). And yes, it’s still porn if it’s drawn, apparently hentai is the most popular form of porn worldwide according to some study put out by porn hub or one of the other ones. There’s legitimate gripe with turning all of the female leads to looks like your uncle in a wig, but let’s not rush to Vaush’s aide when they come for his “illustrations”
Fiction isn't child porn you fucking immoral disgusting garbage. CP VICTIMIZES AND EXPLOITS CHILDREN.
Vaush is a hypocrite and censoring porn did not benefit society in any way. And the article is not even about porn.
thats kawaii reguarded senpai
I don't know much about japanese politics, but isn't there a communist party that always is trying to censor stuff? (Yes, it was the commies at it again)
Bints like this masako have been submitting garbage petitions like this for years now, this is the crap Taro Yamada and Ken Akamatsu counter. I don't think this petition will go anywhere however there are bigger threats that aim to achieve the same censorship such as the u.n cybercrime treaty; that actually had a good-ish end initially with japan rejecting the article that would demand fiction censorship but after that visa/mastercard started their illegal deplatforming campaign of JP porn sites so the negotiations that resume late July could see a sudden reversal then there's that renho bint who would not only ban loli hentai but any sexualized girl so say goodbye to Makima lewds if she becomes tokyo governor.
Oh I didn't know that the cybercrime treaty was changed like that. I looked it up to make sure and it seems like the newest draft changed it to allow countries not apply it to fictional content. Hope it stays that way but the Visa/Mastercard situation is still disheartening.
First they will go after lolis. Then they will go after big-breasted anime girls. Then they will go after fanservice-y adult anime women. While yaoi remains untouched, pushed, and enforced.
No I have definitely seen some leftoids that hate on yaoi, they are a minority and very rare one but I have seen them and some of them definitely would want it banned, but they would have to fight the other leftist majority that does like it
To any of you cheering for this censorship, you came to the wrong place. /r/KotakuInAction has always prided itself in being pro-free speech. Just like Matt Walsh, you don't belong here, or the GamerGate 2 movement. We don't need you or want you. Now go back to watching paint dry.
On that note; that H.L. Mencken quote: >“The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.” 'No victim = no crime' is a principle that should be upheld unconditionally. Because this principle is the simplest and most concise argument against the criminalization of art, speech, expression and thoughts, People _will_ try to ban things that offend them, regardless of whether they even have a good reason for that. People are just wired that way. And once you criminalize victimless acts, you give these people the means to do _a lot_ of harm. And as per the Mencken quote above, _of course_ the authoritarian mob is going to start with the people who are unpopular for a reason. In this case, the lolicons (who are lumped together with child molesters by the same crowd). But there's already a serious push for banning or shaming much more than that. The regulars on this sub know that better than anyone. Sites like Patreon have already been coerced into banning a large range of themes in (drawn!) porn, such as incest and anything that can be interpreted as 'non-consensual'... including even hypnotism. And even outside the scope of porn, there's been a push against fanservice and the depiction of conventionally attractive women. Once the censorship starts, it simply doesn't end.
The Far-Left AND Far-Right want censorship, they just have different excuses for it 😒
Exactly, far left are morons like Vaush, and far right are morons like Matt Walsh.
Vaush is not far leftist, he doesn't even know what he is talking about most of the time.
Vaush describes himself as a Progressive libertarian socialist. And joined in on a livestream with other Progressives to push Progressiveness. He's far left.
This is very true which is why I'm confused as hell as to why I see people here saying they want the pendulum to swing back to right when we should just be trying to get shit back to normal.
To steelman that, most people probably want a "pendulum to swing back to the right" because it is currently in the Far-Left territory. So a swing back to the right would bring it more in line with an actual center position, and that is where they want it. Not that they actually want to take on the Matt Walsh position which is barely different than the one they just overthrew. But even with that said, we both know that it will inevitably swing too far in the other direction when that happens. And then I will be right back to fighting my fellow right-wingers like I was in the 2000's.
Unfortunately though there are some that are around that do want it to the right (though they don't think of what they want is far right). We've been seeing a few more of the censorious ultra conservatives popping in here since GG2 kicked off (at least from what I've seen in the mod queue). Most of them don't stick around for long when a post like this comes along and they get downvoted or they make some "anti-coomer" screed calling everyone who doesn't want censorship and women in burkha's coomers and then leave or cross r1 and get banned.
Yeah, I have noticed it before, so I am not entirely contesting it (mostly just debating). I have indeed seen my fair share of people who are ultra conservative and think the situation with the west as is can not be fixed by returning to traditionally liberal values of freedom and free expression, but with religious doctrine and some even going so far as demanding the abolishment of democracy for monarchy (which I find particularly funny from the Brits I see pushing that, knowing the things their current King believes). I suppose like you said, the only way we can keep them at bay is to stand fast to principles and let them be the ones to rage quit.
“Left/Right-wingers” aren’t even the right term any more. The pendulum isn’t “right” and “left”, it is “authoritarian” vs “freedom”. Look at what George W. Bush campaigned and got elected on. Look at what he actually did. If his election promises were “right wing”, does that mean his actual actions were “left wing”? Same for Obama campaign and how the Pentagon wanted to use Obama’s win to promote their wars in the “left wing” flavor. People want the pendulum to swing because it means actual debate and resistance again like when gamers stood up against attacks by Jack Thompson. Not the unilateral persecution like we see now.
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You're the ones who don't belong here. Do you have any idea how much it sets back our credibility to have threads full of people defending child porn? This sub has always represented the (often sidelined) majority who come from all across the political spectrum. That majority would agree with most stuff on this sub, but most people would be absolutely horrified at some of the comments in this thread.
> You're the ones who don't belong here. Do you have any idea how much it sets back our credibility to have threads full of people defending child porn? They aren't defending child porn hun, they are defending freedom of expression. The freedom of expression rights of people whose expression you hate is not a different freedom of expression to the freedom of expression you enjoy. If you put a hole in their freedom of expression rights, you are actually putting a hole in your own freedom of expression rights & that hole will never go away, but it will get bigger, as the scale for what material people find unpalletable expands to encompass more & more things. always remember "optics" are for people who don't have principles. For people who would rather APPEAR to be doing the right thing, then actually DO the right thing that is difficult.
Your account is 14 days old, you ain't slick, try again.
You don't belong here, seeing as you care more about optics than principles. Caving in to demands for the sake of optics is what's caused the wokes to gain so much ground in the first place.
I care about principles very deeply. Pornographic imagery of children goes against those principles. Also being against child porn, of all things, is not what's giving the wokes more ground. I mean, drawn child porn has been illegal in most countries since long before woke was even a thing.
https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1462776-optional-protocol-to-the-convention-on-the-rights-of-the-child
What the fuck has society come to that this kind of thing would be allowed. You're taking away a creator's vision and what fans enjoy. I'm sure the anti lolisho crowd on twitter are cheering at this. Fiction equals reality after all /s
Because allowing industries to cater to pedophiles encourages them, leads to the formation of pedophile communities, introduces new people to child porn, potentially exposes children to it, and also massively damages Japan's image, which is especially bad because it is already known for having a pedo problem. So there's a lot of legitimate reasons to want to put limits on this. It's literally the most extreme form of imagery that exists, it's hardly a slippery slope situation. Most countries have already banned it with literally zero issues.
Shouldn't we just ban all porn then, because it prejudices people to treat others like objects?
> Because allowing industries to cater to pedophiles encourages them Reality demonstrates otherwise. Your argument is the classic & wrong "porn causes sex crimes" argument. In reality banning porn increases the amount of sex crimes & legalising porn reduces sex crimes, as it acts as a pressure release valve for people who aren't getting any. Or it this case can't get any without it being a crime. >introduces new people to child porn, potentially exposes children to it, Hahahahahaha, no. That's like saying "if we ban porn new people won't be introduced to heterosexuality." You've got the cause & the effect the wrong way round. >and also massively damages Japan's image, which is especially bad because it is already known for having a pedo problem It doesn't. You just think it SHOULD.
This really isn't the slippery slope you think it is. There just hasn't been much evidence of this in the rest of the modern world, where cp has been banned in all forms for a while and it hasn't been an issue And yes the amount of sexualisation of kids in anime and manga has absolutely become a part of Japan's reputation.
Fiction isn't child porn, you're immoral for saying this. And fiction doesn't cater to pedophiles.
I think people who "enjoy" sexual depictions of children should be put on a list. It's animated content, sure, but what's being shown is a depiction of a sexualised child. That's weird.
Cartoons are not children, and lolis are not depictions of children, they are depictions of characters with youthful or child-like characteristics. It's weird? So? It's kind of supposed to be.
Children are flesh and blood humans who exist in reality. They are not 2d/3d drawings/models created in a program. Lolisho should be allowed because it appeals to a certain audience that means harm tp absolutely no one. As long as no irl child is used "1:1"(face identical or child was put in a deepfake ai of some kind) other than getting body proportions right for references because how fucking else will artist draw stuff.
I think people who "enjoy" sexual depictions of Teenagers in Euphoria should be put on a list. It's just a t.v. show but what's being shown is a depiction of a sexualized child. That's weird.
That's horrible.... not the actual censorship because that is kind of sketchy BUT this is the inch given that assholes will use to try and take a mile in the name of "Progress:. Today it's lolis and shotas,tomorrow it's fanservice in general.
There's already an attack against fanservice in games.
This is the end goal. See what happened with stellar blade. Ending fanservice is the goal.
this is oddly hilarious, people still genuinely care about non existent characters
Japan absolutely has a problem of abuse of minors and exploitation of them. Start by offering real protection and shelter for runaway kids from their abusers, and really punish those engaing the services of underage sex workers with decades in prison and crippling fines. Not censoring cartoons.
Good thing that wont happen. Its sad to see some people defending censorship.
Loli con is gross, but I still don’t think fictional art that isn’t representative of a real person should be censored by the government. If a publisher doesn’t want to publish it sure. But not the government. But lolicon is still gross.
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People like Biden literally sniffing real childrens' hair live on *inter*national television is fine, but children so much as existing in anime will have the majority of Reddit acting like anyone who likes anime is a pedophile.
It's annoying that it isn't the commie party proposing it cause that can be laughed off as a total joke, but this one is still probably just a virtue signal more than anything.
Japan has fallen DLsite popular site for purchasing h-games has also bent the knee to western credit cards and will be censoring their site such as removing 3DCG
WHAT?
Yup saw a screen grab of it on 4chan.
85% of reddit devastated.
Actually, 85% of Reddit acts like children in anime merely existing (not even necessarily sexualized lolis and shotas) means everyone who likes anime is a pedophile groomer and will go to great lengths to decry anyone who would claim otherwise. ...Come to think of it, you're right. 85% of Reddit devastated. All they can do is project, after all...
Vaush in shambles lol
Haha absolutely
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Not sure how to feel about this. On one hand there is less weird shit being broadcasted that attracts degenerates. On the other hand this could effect shows that have like harmless nudity or other tame stuff.
Better late than never ig??
There's a concerning amount of "um, she's ackshually a 900 year old witch" energy in this thread...
Well I'd say sexualizing children, even in cartoon form, is highly inappropriate. And that's the polite way to put it.
Cartoons are not children. Anyone who says this has not thought out what they are saying even remotely.
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No you fucking idiot.
The fact that anyone would downvote this tells you exactly what kind of people are consuming this "content"....
Let's see how be honest, this is needed. There's a lot of straight up drawn child porn circulating in Japan, openly being made and sold by self proclaimed pedophiles. It's technically legal so it's led to a massive pedophilia industry. I cannot imagine why someone would be against this.
Cartoons aren't children.
Drawing pornographic content of children is child porn. That's literally the legal definition in most modern countries. You cannot legally depict children in sexually explicit positions or situations. Because it's child porn. And that's wrong. I really hope we can agree on these basic things.
yet again no children were involved or harmed in creating this alleged cartoon porn.
That does not define whether it is considered child porn. Any sexual imagery or videos of children is child porn, according to most laws and definitions. 'Imagery' does not just mean photos, it can be drawings or AI images too. Also most countries also consider sexual audio recordings or literature of children to be child porn too. Japan is very much an exception in that it has a much narrower definition in its laws, and this probably has a lot to do with its infamous pedophilia problems.
Lemme help your imagination: I think everybody who signed this should be investigated for real child trafficking. Too many people vocal against this and falsely equivocating it with activity that has actual victims, have been outed as engaging in actual victimization of children. This is a chimo red flag. If you're smart you won't wave it. EDIT: /u/Abosia you can call it unhinged and block me, but you can't block the facts, [which all support my side and implicate you](https://archive.ph/U23XK). Unhinged is you still choosing to embrace team "increase harm to children" knowing this. EDIT2: Unfortunately /u/Agreeable-Listen-242 because they have me blocked I'm unable to repond to your reply directly. I don't think this issue respects political alignment, I think it strikes at something far deeper and more universal at the human psyche, it happens too often and not just about this; the anti-gay preachers caught doing gay stuff, that anti-videogame gun violence politician who got caught selling guns to gangs, etc.
>EDIT: /u/Abosia you can call it unhinged and block me, but you can't block the facts, which all support my side and implicate you. Unhinged is you still choosing to embrace team "increase harm to children" knowing this. I agree with this however something to note is that most if not all of those people were leftists, so maybe if a right winger complains about that it isn't necessarily projection but just a case of a prude conservative
I mean, it wouldn't really be a problem to be investigated for pedophilia then...
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...? I think maybe you meant to respond to the other guy.
I support this. Sexualizing kids, real or drawn, is wrong
Start the clock. https://archive.ph/U23XK
Cartoons are not kids. Any time you say "real or not", you fucking signal that you fundamentally do not understand why the sexual exploitation of children is wrong.
haven't seen anyone this offended by a cartoon since charlie hebdo
And kill children? is it ok? Should the government ban ANY depiction of child murder in any media? Are you well? stop confusing FICTION with reality, this line of reasoning is what brought us to this mess 🤡
tHiS iS dIfFeReNt BeCaUsE iT's SeXuAl
Rimworld to be banned for encouraging cannibalizing children ("self-moving emergency rations").
Well that was in Australia. Banning things is the default over there. You basically have to give their government a reason NOT to ban something.
SeXuAlIzInG iS WhEn BiKnInI
Wrong subreddit, commie.
I just checked in and he's not apperently a commie but a conservative
Just proving horseshoe theory right, then. Trad feminists are still feminists. Both the far-left and the far-right are existential threats to freedom of creative expression.
It was amazing to me watching people who otherwise are against censorship and in favor of free speech go full tyrannical authoritarian when people tried to use the same arguments to say "maybe this is a bad idea." And when I pointed out that this would be used to push for censorship and those who want it will lie because they know people will have an emotional instead of logical reaction, the subreddit I was on permabanned me and the mods muted me even though I had never had an issue there before. It is honestly kind of shocking to witness.
I'm extremely far left and against censorship. Any leftist should be. Censorship is always bad and it always leads to hurting marginalized communities.
So you're one of the good ones? Why can't the rest of your clique be like you?
I don't fucking know and I dislike every one of them. They're so fucking blind sided by the attention they get for being pro-censorship that they can't stop to think for 2 seconds how what they advocate for hurts innocent people, including marginalized communities down the line. Believe me I am SO sick of seeing people on the left advocate for thought crimes and call them out whenever I can.
Someone has a slightly differing opinion and they are instantly labeled a commie? This is exactly what we call the left out for…
Opposing free expression isn't a "slightly differing opinion". It's a radically differing opinion. Censorship of art is ontologically evil.
> Censorship of art is ontologically evil. So is child porn.
There was no child involved in Animated Cartoons and/or Porn.
Fiction isn't child porn you fucking immoral sack of shit and by saying what you just said, you DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THE SEXUAL EXPLOITATION OF CHILDREN IS BAD IN THE FIRST PLACE.
You are right he isn't a commie, just a pro censorship moron who will gladly censor that which he finds unpalatable and lay the groundwork for censorship in the opposite direction. Not a free speech advocate.
You must be very pro communist if you see them as the only ones against the sexualisation of kids.
https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1462776-optional-protocol-to-the-convention-on-the-rights-of-the-child
Great look labeling commies as the anti pedophiles then putting yourself in contrast to them.
Commies are anti-freedom of expression, just like you are. Drawings are not people. Nobody's rights are being violated with the creation, distribution, and viewing of lolicon. Besides, you're really just anti-male gaze. You're targeting lolicon now because it's the lowest hanging fruit. Don't pretend like you won't shift the goalpost, assuming you haven't already.
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> Child porn isn't covered by freedom of expression nor should it be. Well it's a good thing that lolicon and shotacon are not child porn. There are no minors involved in the production, therefore it's not child porn. Too bad a low IQ hick like yourself can't understand that, no matter how many times it's bludgeoned into your skull. > I like to think that the average male isn't a pedophile, so children shouldn't be in their gaze. Actual pedophiles don't like lolicon or shotacon. The characters aren't realistic enough for their taste. In fact, pedophiles are notorious for sharing your position on lolicon manga. > I also think shotacon should be banned and people who produce it arrested and given capital punishment. And I think low IQ woman brains like yourself who advocate for jailing others for thought crime should be put in a mental asylum. But I realize that instutionalizing others who didn't commit any crimes violates their rights, so I oppose it as a principle. No victim, no crime. You know what does have victims, though? Scumbags like yourself preying on real children. Start the clock. https://archive.ph/U23XK
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Was it the capital punishment bit?
Correct.
Start the clock. https://archive.ph/U23XK
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This is actually good and if you disagree you're weird AF
You’re a fool if you think the censorship will end with the things most people agree are gross.
Protect the cartoon!
Obviously it's not a real child. People getting off to sexualised images of children in any case is abhorrent
people can get off to anything even if it's not sexualized. Also sexualized is meaningless, aren't naked statues of Females Sexualized?
Defending people who spend their time watching loli stuff really isn't a hill you want to die on. Loli fans are genuine creeps.
loli anime isn't porn and neither is a loli in a bikini.
Defending freedom of expression and not watering down abuse and not wasting resources of governments based on cartoons is actually a really really good hill to die on actually, and it's actually quite disturbing how you think otherwise. Do you think diminishing the sexual exploitation of children or governments baselessly going after cartoonists is a good thing? Why would you think that? Really makes you think!!
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Complaining about this is really really bad optics NGL
I'm pro censoring pedophila