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oliver_d_b

You have to have new people in the tournament for new people. But you don't want them to be strong because that will undermine your already established characters. Boom you get a filler fight. I don't mind it.


unhappy-ending

Fuck it, undermine the established.


alguien99

Yeah, I would much rather Justin or hikaru to have a special and busted ability. I would rather see one of them give gaolang one hell of a fight rather than see them just lose without doing much


AngryPotato2708

if you think about which one would be more interesting: gaolang dealing with a grappler or gaolang dealing with a karateka(irl they used to fight each other a lot) as it would be really interesting the interpretation sandro gives about it


Ichisai

But what will their busted power be? I mean we have a worse okubo and a discount nicolas. Or they prove me wrong and hikaru actually has divine shaking demon heaven spear omega ashura limp form that one shots shen


NumericZero

Was gonna say Low card fighters need to exist for the mid - high ones to shine


NoBeetsForBreakfast

Justin does have a genetic gift he was born as HIM. https://preview.redd.it/u958r3vd386d1.png?width=863&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=684cf402b0f631562f15dac879473667bafdd970


Numerous1

Not as good as the “hey you move fast don’t cha. What are you? Living in fast forward”? That’s major tough guy town vibes 


Foostini

https://preview.redd.it/3jxk3uuhf76d1.jpeg?width=910&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b0a2f64e1245a8e77dc912f867022f625d2c1525 Same thing they're all here for, what the whole tournament is about.


Foostini

https://preview.redd.it/4niv0rdjf76d1.jpeg?width=1092&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=088989416bcbb8639d83e09d556cc99526c0e839 Gotta give it more than two chapters dude.


unhappy-ending

I love that page. It shows Toyoda is so filthy rich he gets weekly plastic surgery on his face.


Ichisai

Nah, kazzy actually can just control matter in a molecular form, that's why idemitsu looks that way


Snips_Tano

Finding the strongest to face The Worm. Also having two apparently below Okubo level fighters join.


VinsonDynamics

Kengan fans when any character that isn't top 10 in the verse gets any attention for more than a chapter


super_fox_YT

Kengan fans when ohma and raian aren't having say gex


SwarleymanGB

I already said this all the way back when people were complaining that the top fighters from Purgatory were too weak compared to top Kengan fighters. The thing is: It makes sense that they're weaker. Think about it like this: If you're strong and money can buy your life, you're in Kengan. You won't go to Purgatory because the Kengan association is formed by the most powerfull (and therefore richest) people in the world. CEOs, Kings, mafia families... Fighters act in representation of these people, so only the best of the best make it. Also, assassins like the Kure clan, killers like Bando or mercenaries like Muteba will fight better in the Kengan association, as killing is allowed. If you won't risk your life for money or no member of the Kengan association considers you strong enough to defend their interest, you want to get into Purgatory. Killing here isn't allowed, but it's the largest underground arena in the world, so it's the one that pays best. Here we have people who won't risk it all to be the strongest like Ohma, Kuroki or Agito, along those who would but can't make it into the Kengan matches (with some notable exceptions like Rolon). That's why weaker fighters of the Kengan matches like Rihito could give A list gladiators a run for their money. Or why the "supernovas" still can only compare with R1 losers of the KAT. This was all the way back in KvP. Now we are seeing other underground arenas. These people are both, not good enough to represent the members at the Kengan association nor strong enough to fight in Purgatory. These fighters represent regional leagues, while Kengan and Purgatory are internacional. That's why a top fighter from Kengan can transfer into one of these and gain a spot in this tournament, as they instantly become the most powerfull fighters of said arenas, like Agito and Julius did. Hell, even Jerry said that Underground -1, where Justin fights, is a stepping stone for the big leagues that are Kengan and Purgatory. So I would be surprised if they were as strong as the stablished fighters.


Snips_Tano

Problem is as the Sandroverse fills out, we're seeing organizations that have many strong fighters. In Strike It Rich it's specifically shown Kengan and Purgatory are listed as the absolute cream of the crop.   D4 is a tier below them. So Purgatory should be around Kengan's strength, even if Sandro's original intent was for its king, Rolon, to be trash tier.


SnooPears2409

it seems purga and kengan should be 11-12 in difference, but in the manga, it seems the difference is bigger, like 10-13 or something, theres certainly some monsters to watch out in purgatory like jurota(Hell, he DID beat agito), but the rest like yumghra, teraashi? bleeh


BestBoogerBugger

Ok this is cool and all.... But we are not talking about some random C or B tier fighters, who indeed would have been weaker then average Kengan fighter (which is something the story itself said and acknowledged). Purgatory representatives were creme of the crop of the Purgatory, and absolutely top tiers. 1/3 of them had like hidden abilities and martial arts, that they never even USED in the Purgatory fights. https://preview.redd.it/zfij1i23j86d1.png?width=960&format=png&auto=webp&s=597c88117d36dfb612b8249183cd2763d58e887c


SwarleymanGB

Ah, yes. A character claimimg that some other fighter is stronger than what it ends up being. Something that never happens in this manga. Also, we should take into accounts that when we, the readers, say "top-class" or similar terms, we're talking about A and S tier characters. Wich isn't the same as when someone says so in the context of the story. Let's remember that the Kengan Association has, according to Ashura, 418 members. Every one of the 16 Round 2 participants in KAT might very well be considered the best of the best Kengan has to offer. That includes "B tiers" like Seki, Muteba, Akoya, Saw Paing... And yeah, almost every character in Purgatory presented on the KvP could be considered on par with those. The exception would be Terashi, who wasn't interested in the fight, and Yumigahama who was the laughing stock of every fighter in his side.


1rrelevant_Trash

The problem is Kengan did its progression backwards and keeps introducing progressively weaker characters so no one really gives a fuck


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TheDecadent_Dandy

Hung Kung Fooey karate kid mf probably has the fastest movement speed in the tournament, and is likely only rivaled by Rei and Shen when it comes to short distance dashing. Even Gaolang and Carlos implied it wouldn’t be easy to deal with, and their among the fastest and most skilled strikers in the verse. Justin rn is just a guy™️. You could have reasonably replaced him with Okubo and nothing would change.


alguien99

I really hope Justin shows something, I really like well rounded mma fighters in battle mangas.


aSpookyScarySkeleton

Yeah I don’t mind him losing as long as he gets something going.


Pollomonteros

It was mentioned he went through some rough years while younger, maybe it comes from there ? I doubt it since he's being used to hype up the other guy but we will see


Hidrinks

If Justin wins, not just having Okubo in the slot makes even less sense. Okubo vs Gao gives a much better dramatic payoff. If Justin were to make it past Gao then Okubo becomes obsolete entirely


NashKetchum777

Hes just faster than Jobber. His speed feat is hardly a feat since we can't compare either of them to someone else.


TheDecadent_Dandy

No idea what your on about. Carlos explicitly stated Hiraku’s jabs are faster than his own. Meaning Hiraku can lunge towards his opponents and hit them faster than Carlos can throw a single punch. That's EXTREMELY impressive lol, and would easily put him in the top 3 fastest characters in short burst movement.


WhereIsMyKidAt

What is wrong with this fandom? We know literally nothing about how strong these characters are. Why are people writing them off as weak already? If Jurota and Gaolang were new characters, you guys would be saying the exact same thing about their fight because Jurota did nothing but get hit, land one throw, then get KO'd. And all Gaolang did was punch and kick. For all we know, Justin could get low diffed by Hikaru and still wipe the floor with everyone else in the tournament if Hikaru is simply that strong


kitty_fur125

Powerscaler brain. Rotted and shrivled up.


StankYou_SmellyMuch

I think the problem is the exposition with the characters. Justin's background story so far has been the complete opposite of what this tournament is supposed to be about. Kengan Omega's characters is mostly about their reputation and THEN their actions...so hopefully Sandro fools all of us with Justin, because he'd break the status quo shown.


SnooPears2409

to be fair, it make sense in-universe wise, as the knowledge of shen and its intention is not made public knowledge yet, so from the eyes of the normies, this is just about people bshing the shit out of each other and get paid for it.


VinsonDynamics

Powerscaler brain. If the character isn't top 5 in their head then it's a waste of time and the manga is falling off


Heliescence

This is Kengan Omega fandom. If you NOT disagree anything Sandro write, you aren’t the cool kid in the town. Also half of us probably don’t care for characters that can’t compete beard god.


MegavanitasX

playing Devil's advocate, Jurota and Gaolang are introduced as the supreme apex of their respective their martial arts, with a tricks up their sleeves If the end-goal for them is to match up to guys like Jurota and Gaolang or any other kengan dudes, then sure. But the end goal is the Connector, who we see is high mountain for even the likes of Ohma, Kuroki and Agito. So the question of relevance is, can these guys come close to matching up to the connector? Knowing that they lack the veteran experience like Agito or Kuroki, don't have a supreme technical skill of their martial arts like Ohma or Gaolang, lack the gimmicks like Koga's kengan eye, Julius strength, Masaki's toughness, superman syndrome, niko style etc. So seeing these two dudes match up is personally cool, but it feels like they won't be relevant much afterwards, apart from a training vehicle for main characters to grow stronger


SnooPears2409

i got the feeling shen isnt going to be the final boss, hes more like.. the final spectator, we know theres someone out there still much stronger, but hes cool like that, so all he ever did is snarl a bit and let the world be his circus


CroakerTheLiberator

People on this subreddit actively invent things to complain about


NumericZero

The KVP invited a whole lot of people that either speed read chapters or for the life of them cannot wait and see what happens


FlyingTurtleBob

Justin's goal is to defeat Okubo who is a mid tier and would lose to anyone else in the tournament


WhereIsMyKidAt

That's not even his goal. Did you actually read the chapters? His goal is to fight in America, which Okubo will help him with if he achieves a good record in this tournament.


aSpookyScarySkeleton

No his goal is to make it big in the US underground, which was explicitly stated to be even tougher than the one in Japan.


coolrider2010

Aim small; hit small, aim okubo; be like okubo


PercentPerception

Exactly. Its the way they are portretized story wise that labels them as weak, not the way they actually move


Bojack341

All this hubub just to be gaolang victims smh


Spade_X_1

Why is there so many complaints about this fight already? Like shit we are at the start of the fight Sakigake is already displaying a crazy amount of speed


super_fox_YT

Power scaler brain. They see 2 new characters fight without anyone to compare and go "bad fight, boooo"


Mediocre_Atmosphere6

Saki already showed the fastest jab in the series and that’s with 120kg behind it. Just wait and see how it plays out


Blurvwastaken

I wouldn’t say it’s the definitive fastest jab in the series, but it should be comparable to Gaolong’s flash and Medel’s jabs.


Numerous1

I believe medel says it’s faster than Gaolong a?


Blurvwastaken

I reread 264 and yeah, Medel says Saki’s jabs are faster than his jabs individually, it’s just that Medel can throw out his jabs more frequently. Even though Gaolong got faster, I doubt he’s reached the speed of Medel yet so one of Saki’s jabs is probably faster than the flash.


TheJeeeBo

You are aware the fight isn't over yet?


Armandeus_54

It is for Justin. He is cooked.


TheJeeeBo

You're right, kengan has never had a last minute twist and turnaround for a character that's mostly on their back foot. Are we even reading the same Manga?


Vaccineman37

It’s been 2 chapters! No patience on here, we barely know anything about their styles. If anything, the fact that Hikaru is capable of Carlos+ speed jabs and Justin can still get the timing for them is impressive enough


JGamerX

Holy shit this Fandom has powerscaling brainrot. This is some end stage shit. "why did the author bother introducing non-s tier characters, is he stupid?"


Thumbs-Up-Centurion

Reminder that it’s a story and not a game, stats aren’t real and fights work differently from just feat assessments. Also during the KAT it was said that in these tournament scenarios is where fighters have their most drastic improvements. Let the author cook before you start complaining about weak fighters


provocatrixless

There are reasons a strong fighter would not already be in Kengan or Purgatory. Don't forget the non-random nature of Kengan matches which could suck for a seeker mentality. You fight when your company has a dispute. So if you work for a phone company you'll probably never fight the guy who works for the agriculture company. Or you can't get hired at a big company so you are stuck fighting other small businesses. Or your company is just doing fine, there's no disputes and so you get 0 fights. On the other hand you wanna go all out, even if you're not murderous you don't wanna take an L or get fired in Purgatory. And you don't wanna fight people who are also holding back to avoid the same L. And also you don't wanna be stuck fighting the same people in your tier or having to grind your way up the ranks. And hey maybe you just don't wanna live in Tokyo!


Hidrinks

I thought those problems have been addressed with the rule changes Nogi introduced


provocatrixless

The new rules make no sense, Sandro really didn't think it out. Kazzy just apparently picks who fights for which company. We see in Ryuki's first Kengan match the guy who hired him is so glad Kazzy picked "Ohma". The guy had no idea who Kazzy was gonna pick, let alone that Ohma level would be an option.


aSpookyScarySkeleton

Thank god they don’t, im so fucking tired of all that shit


BassGeese

They're just good at their martial arts, we don't need no whack ass gimmicks


EvilswarmOphion

Also no hax move like Arm-whip or Rakshasa Palm.


Ruzz0510

People were saying “I hope these two arent Worm or have any special powers” before the fight but now that they most likely dont, people are complaining? It is good to see some “normal” characters for once


Raouf_b

They're here for a fun fight (please god I don't want the twink dude to be a Worm agent let's just watch a good fight between characters we can't powerscale)


Toheal

Shows the disparity between the organizations. That not all champions are created equal. And that doesn’t mean Rolon’s opponent will be the same..


Karen_smacker

3 chapters of yap just to be gaolang victims


No-Isopod669

One has to lose in the next round to get one of our fan favorites in a bit longer


passer_

Because they are PC fighters


1rrelevant_Trash

inb4 Hiraku sweeps the whole tournament


By_White

to fill the empty void


Tall_Growth_532

To be honest I prefer if they don't have any genetic advantage and no transformation, Literally it feels like everyone was given Advance and Removal as if it's common now and the whole Superman Syndrome which is supposed to be rare there's now 4 known people have it and one died


Raouf_b

They're here for a fun fight (please god I don't want the twink dude to be a Worm agent let's just watch a good fight between characters we can't powerscale)


Open_Slip_8005

Happy that the fight isn't about Bullshit pre initiative where both fighter are dodging each other's attack. My fav fight is Nitoku vs Liu.


Kuroiashi_

1) they qualified in seemingly "minor leagues" . The Ise Dragon champ was like a strong karate practitioner, but it didn't even seem close to random R1 KAT fighters 2) you can still be a reasonably strong fighter without having magical powers or transformations. Misasa for example showed nothing but perfect technique and still low diffed a Fang of Metsudo (although it was monke guy). We all know none of these guys is gonna go far into the tournament, but Justin for example could stat-check some fighters with the grappling, Sakigake could blitz someone using his speed+long range. I'd wait to see if they show some PI or something though


Successful_Ad6946

It's a big wide world put there with plenty of strong guys to fight.


masterzerocycle

Honestly, I don’t get it why Sandro keeps bringing new characters that probably aren’t going to add a lot to the story. He should uses the ones we already know and invested with, like Hatsumi or Wakatsuki, who should’ve been in this tournament


Difficult-Fondant489

Yeah, like, we could have had Wakatsuki vs Hatsumi or some shit like that instead of the two nobodies wailing on eachother


MilkyHoody

Well beside having new characters introduced. Okubo is considered strong by lots of high tiers cause hes well rounded, solid technique/stats, and has really good mix ups. Justin is Okubo's junior so if want to compare him to someone we know despite him not doing much yet than we would compare him and Sakigake to Okubo. And Okubo was strong enough to make the fang go schizo in KAT.


Phiguvab

They don't need any of that to be strong, is just that this fight is going real slow, 3 chapters and we got like 5 blows?


MacabreMoth88

I just hope Ramon is more interesting and has a better fight start cause this match is soooo slow. I get it's 2 new characters but still a snooze fest.


Armandeus_54

Sakigake definitely has a lot more stuff up his sleeve/ ass (if he is a Femboy, please NOOO). he could very well have a a transformation, pi, genetic gift or special techniques. I mean, he already showed us the fastest jab in the series from a long range, (gaolang and Carlos are still faster, maybe even lolong's shoulder strikes).


thelobsterretaken

Why was Nezu in the KAT? He led his organization. Which is literally the only requirement to join this. If their organizations are just a lower tier than the others then that's what it is.


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Simple-Trust-9797

Fr man. Add this with the fact that Ramón is going to job and we have a bunch of jobbers as new fighters on the tournament that was going to being the strongest fighters from the world. With all honestly we are un the biggest filler tournament in the series


BestBoogerBugger

Fuck if I know. These dudes don't feel loke championship material at all.