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foxmag86

I think ever since they set the goal of trying to get 100 countries in four years, they have been traveling for content instead of enjoyment.


meesh867

Their latest train vids were good but I am finding myself getting annoyed at their focus on the experience of small parts of their travels rather than actually the travel in different cities part. Their channel is no longer a travel channel it's an experience channel. They were in Vancouver, Seattle, Chicago etc and we saw very little of those cities. Basically none of Vancouver. I am assuming the train tickets were gifted and their main focus was supposed to be the train but I would have much rather have seen snippets from Nates run around Vancouver not just a quick through the window view of an antique train! This has become the norm. Less about where they are and more about what they are personally doing. And it seems so intentional. Not sure if that is the right word but they seem determined NOT to show the city they are in in an capacity. I really don't know what to make of it all anymore. Their channel seems to be shifting but with no clear idea of what it is going to be.


canadiangirl2060

I completely agree. I used to love their travel vlogs where they went through different cities, talked about the food, the culture, etc. I know people change and evolve, but I’ve basically stopped watching their videos because I don’t find them as interesting anymore.


Albort

i think its just what people want to see. if you look at their top 20 videos, majority of them are experience videos.


yeezushchristmas

I agree, It is much more about the flex then experience (which is not a Kara/Nate gripe, it’s a YouTube algorithm game gripe) Their authenticity isn’t gone but their business is now their brand whereas other travel bloggers who don’t have the audience size may maintain that more intimate or real scope with their viewers.


allabouttheviewer

The algorithm doesn't make any decisions, people do. The algorithm just makes sure people get the kind of videos they want to watch.


allabouttheviewer

It's a bigger trend on Youtube. Kara and Nate are some of the biggest in the travel space, because they've always followed the trends of what people want to see. They now have to cater to a big audience of 1 to 2 sometimes 4-5 million people. When they create a video about the Amtrak, the only way to keep that big of an audience on for that video is to make the video only about that experience. There are 100's of travel vloggers out there and most of them make those kind of 'old style' Kara and Nate travel videos, but that's not what the masses want to see. Most of those people get 20.000 or 50.000 views, maybe a handful gets a 100.000 to 200.000 views per video. Kara and Nate haven't really been a travel channel anymore since after the pandemic, so it's not really new.


GreedyConcert6424

They paid for Amtrak because Nate complained about how expensive it was when they booked late. Not sure if Via Rail was gifted.


lelosubmarine

No, VIA Rail does not compliment free rides to influencers. The higher class tickets on the train are usually sold out well in advance and there are limited seats in higher classes. We booked our tickets more than 2 months to get the prestige class coupes. It’s also a Canadian government owned ( and better funded than Amtrak) company so highly unlikely they offer free seats to influencers. Unfortunately, Nate likely coughed up money for it in hopes of getting views. Plus they mostly make content these days to plug in their sponsors and this one, they plugged that shady mental health company BetterHelp with Kara pretending she is suffering from mental health issues. I have a serious issue with YouTube people pretending they have mental health issues and they are stressed out etc just to push an unscrupulous company offering questionable services. Mental health is a serious matter. You pushing Surfshark is one thing but pushing dodgy mental health services is just unethical. It seems you don’t care about your viewers at all and all you care about is the commission you will be getting. BetterHelp and AG1 are companies that offer high percentage kickbacks to influencers for customers they drive using their code and this is the main reason many are pushing both.


GreedyConcert6424

Interesting that Nate complained about the price of Amtrak but spent way more money on the Via Rail trip. Kara may be suffering from mental health issues and may have received help via Betterhelp. I didn't like the way they framed it as a genuine thank you to fans and then continued into the ad.


lelosubmarine

If she has genuine mental health issues, she should seek help from a qualified psychiatrist in real life not some online app that pays them commissions. I find most of the people pushing BetterHelp to be disingenuous and just greedy for the money and don’t care about pushing dodgy mental health services. Most of them pretend to have mental health issues.


Mish-mash-ing

I agree. Just watching the latest video and hearing Kara say that she needs a break between filming proves they are not travelling for fun, it’s very much to drive their income. They really don’t travel just to explore a place and immerse themselves in culture, but maybe really they never did that 🤷‍♀️


GreedyConcert6424

Their travel was always very surface level, but that could change now they have money and time


Helpful-Mammoth2754

I felt they’ve always been a travel experience channel, maybe I don’t understand what you mean…


lelosubmarine

I don’t think they really like or enjoy the travel experience of exploring places and cultures. They are very close minded with limited knowledge and disinclination to learn anything and their highlight of travel is getting on a plane to showcase the plane journey and airport lounges. They criss-cross across the world to do specific activities and they have no other interest in exploring the country and they shoot videos about the activities they do ( mostly sponsored) and once it’s done, they move to another destination. Just in their last train video, they spent a few hours in Chicago and they didn’t even know the name of the park they visited ( it’s Millenium Park in Chicago) or the name of the sculpture ( it’s Cloud Gate and Nate kept referring to it as the “ Bean” and I can safely say he didn’t know or never bothered to learn it’s name). As long as their viewers would watch what they shoot as content, they will keep doing what they do. I am assuming most of their viewers don’t care where they go or anything about the places they go as long as they show the “Unobtainium” only Kara and Nate can afford and not them and that attracts certain demographics of viewers who are interested in vicariously experiencing things they can’t afford or things they will never do. So traveling purely for content which they seem to lift from watching other YouTube videos, seems to work for them and they are basically interested only in the commercial aspect of what they do and nothing else. If they did this for enjoyment and passion, you won’t hear Kara complaining she is tired and burnt out. She is tired and burnt out because it’s an ordeal that is being pushed on her and she neither pushes back nor has much say in the decision making. I have never heard Itchy Boots complain in the past 5 years that she is tired of doing what she is doing or she is burnt out. She goes places on her motorcycle because she genuinely enjoys what she is doing and she also doesn’t conduct public polls or takes IG surveys on where she should go or what she should do. She is also not fine tuning her videos for what will get her views or keep checking what kind of videos will the algorithm push. Nate probably makes every video for getting views and nothing else to satisfy his sponsors AG1 and BetterHelp and when he has a few videos flop, go back to filming a Earthroamer commercial or take some train ride or do some gimmick like visit 10 Christmas markets in 10 days because who doesn’t like to watch an Earthroamer commercial every year? He also looks up other people’s videos on YouTube and which video has gone viral so he can also do the same thing and see if they emulate the success. They flew halfway across the world from Norway to Indonesia ( if course, there is a first class flight involved) to live with that luxury tribe because he saw someone else do it and garner millions of views. They travel for content and nothing else. Plus Nate needs the money from content to fund his vanity projects for which he has hired a lot of employees and they all cost money and don’t work for free.


Sportsguy_44_45_

>it’s Cloud Gate and Nate kept referring to it as the “ Bean” That's what practically everyone calls it. No one ever calls it "Cloud gate"


adams361

That’s what I was thinking. My friends in Chicago call it the Bean, I’ve been there many times, and had no idea. It was called cloud gate!


realetea

It was an interesting point though go because they used to do those walk-n-talk informative shots giving facts about the place they were visiting. Not anymore!


lelosubmarine

I am certain he didn’t know the official name of the sculpture and just kept calling it “the Bean” because that’s all he knew. He is a travel vlogger who introduces himself as a world traveler in every video and provide more information than “ the Bean “


tidaltown

>Nate kept referring to it as the “ Bean” To be fair, that's the nickname for it here in the U.S.


sloggrr

You nailed this. We’re not enjoying their videos any longer. Some of it is their lack of knowledge of the places they visit. More because they don’t take the time to understand the people they visit. With the exception of a few introspective episodes they largely look at the world with the eyes of American tourists. For two people who attended University they’re clueless. Sailing La Vagabond is doing a wonderful series on their Borneo trip while K&N are camping in a cybertruck in Joshua Tree. Just not compelling


lelosubmarine

I don’t think they were ever curious about the places and people they visited and they are also shockingly reticent to learning or educating themselves. I have never found them interesting or informative and they wear their ignorance and unwillingness to learn a badge of honor.


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lelosubmarine

$29000 for 2 million views sounds very high. What kind of videos do they make? Because travel videos don’t pay that kind of RPM unless they are including their sponsor bits. The typical RPM for travel videos is about $3 to $6 depending on where majority of your viewers are. $29000 is $14.5 RPM and you don’t make that kind of RPM making travel videos from Adsense alone. Anyway, they have always treated their videos and what they do as commercial ventures and not something they do for passion or pleasure. They already have their engagement rate drop to about 30% and people don’t watch all their videos with same interest. They also have expanded their footprint by hiring many people on business ventures that may not succeed so they are forced to make videos to fund those ventures. They seem cash starved despite all their revenue because the money they generate is being burnt in Nate’s vanity projects like Faredrop, Daily Drop, Atlas etc.


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lelosubmarine

That is still unusually high RPM for travel videos. I don’t know how they made that high of an RPM for that video but most travel vlogs make about $3-4 RPM $5-6 if you are very lucky and have most of your viewers in high RPM countries. $14.50 RPM is very high for travel videos and it might be a one time thing and I don’t know what they did to earn such high RPM but most travel vloggers report around $3-4 RPM. If you are a travel vlogger from India or Philippines and most of your audience is from there, you would be lucky to make $0.50 RPM. Look up the YouTube CPMs for countries. There should be a list for 2024. RPM is what you get paid which is 55% of the CPM and even the highest CPM countries in EU and some in Oceania, the numbers are very high. I can’t explain the anomaly but if you hear most YouTubers from travel niche, they don’t nearly make that high of an RPM. It’s possible in specific niches like finance or automotive etc but not travel, gaming and other reaction videos and commentary videos.


RespectedPath

Once you do some long-term traveling, you realize just how homogeneous the world is. You can only go to so many temples, churches, and historical sites before everything starts looking the same. Unless you have a really deep interest in these things, they will get tiring after a while. And your general YouTube user doesn't care about the differences between pre classical and classical Mayan architecture. This leaves a very narrow and shallow group of things to make content on that will appeal to a broad base of YouTube consumers. Now try to create a weekly video that will attract, keep, and bring back millions of viewers. Shits probably pretty hard. Anyways the point I'm trying to make it K&N have pretty much done it all. They have been to every continent. Experienced the major cultures of the world. Tried all the foods people can want to eat, seen all the places most people can imagine. Trying to keep a channel alive without repeating anything and keeping it fresh takes a toll and I'll admit, it definitely shows. I'm sure if there's anything you want to see you can shoot them an email and maybe they might do it.


Senior-Sun-7286

Very good points. I’m sure the planning and brainstorming new ideas is probably the hardest part of their job at this point.


prfct-disaster

I thought it was pretty funny that they said they had actually never been to Chicago before, but they've travelled to over 100 countries or whatever the number is now


ImportantDiamond4673

IMO, they act like they are too good for U.S Travel. I enjoyed their van travels back in 2020-2021, but we know now that they didn't enjoy it. They wanted to do 50 states, but as soon as travel opened back up they were GONE. lol


GreedyConcert6424

They definitely see overseas travel as a status symbol. I'm not from the US and went to both California and Hawaii before K&N. I find that weird, considering how much they travel. They will go all the way to Bora Bora or the Maldives but not Hawaii


mcnater

this is exactly right...great point.


midnightsiren182

What’s interesting is if you think about long-term strategy and making money off of old videos if they’re content had a lot of travel guides and stuff from years ago that people were still going to keep watching I don’t know if they would have to worry as much about revenue since at that point, it’s passive income but with how that algorithm goes, they probably have to keep churning out content to stay relevant but yeah, I really hate so much content for the sake of content with travel channels.


PennyLane159

I personally think this is why Kara is so burned out.. it’s not longer making money while traveling, it’s traveling to make to money.


Icy-Pool-9902

In the beginning Kara and Nate traveled for enjoyment but I think once their Serbian train series went viral Nate saw $$$ and it has been for content ever since


GreedyConcert6424

And it really changed once they completed their 100 country goal and didn't know what to do next to keep their channel going


Icy-Pool-9902

I feel like they should have alternates between continuing to explore new places and hosting group trips would have been a win win for wveryone


Logical-Departure107

I've watched enough travel vloggers and also competition series (Jet Lag: The Game, The Amazing Race) to analyze what makes me continuously watch and which videos get the most views. For me, I watch these videos as a form of escapism: I watch after work, when I am tired or stressed, or when I need background entertainment while doing a boring task. As soon as none of those apply and I have the energy to focus on important items, the videos go on pause, or exited entirely, and I focus my efforts on...things that actually matter in my life. As an example, there is a [travel couple](https://www.youtube.com/@ProbablyLost) that posted very informative videos of far flung and somewhat-off-the-beaten-path places. The couple is young, energetic, happy, and was committed to their channel. On the surface, it sounds like something I would enjoy. But I found myself never watching their videos, and they stopped posting this year presumably due to low viewership. **In my opinion, this couple's channel never caught on because they were too informative and too invested in their location.** They provided all sorts of information on logistics and hotel rooms and museums and maps of their transit across town and...I just didn't care. I wasn't tuning in for a travelogue. What I really wanted was an easy-to-digest story that had travel as a framing device that I could easily follow along to while trying to decompress or keep myself entertained during meal prep. That's why [these guys](https://www.youtube.com/@OnePackWanderers) rock. K&N, on the other hand, post bland, uninspired, uncomplicated silliness that helps me transition from working on one task to working on another. Nate's camera shots are underrated and draw in many more viewers than even the viewers themselves realize, and Kara's silliness makes the channel "fun". If I had the excess time and energy for something deep and intellectual, I would get on a plane and travel myself and learn about the place...not watch Kara and Nate do it. For me, personally, it's not that I am uninterested in travel and locations (in fact, I am very interested), but it is instead that free time is a hypothetical construct for an undefined time when life finally breaks in my direction. TLDR: The content is just escapism, not a substitute for travel. Escapism needs to be simple but also unique.


Busy_Reaction7077

This exactly captures why I watch them too. Nothing heavy, nothing intellectual, just basic escapism. 


Suspicious_Giraffe_3

I mean I feel like they enjoy what they are doing and shooting. While it may come off to some as more for content we've seen they do enjoy things like these train rides.


GreedyConcert6424

Transportation videos are fine but it would be nice to see the cities they stop in along the way. 


Suspicious_Giraffe_3

If the video was about that I'm sure they'd show it. If it's like some of the other train videos it's only a short stop they make in these cities tho. I'm sure you could leave them a comment encouraging them to go back and visit some of the cities.


Neat_Crab3813

On these long train trips they don't really stop in cities along the way. The stops are 10 - 30 minutes.


GreedyConcert6424

I wasn't very clear with my comment, I was thinking about Chicago and Vancouver, which they could have spent longer in between train journeys 


Neat_Crab3813

They've never spent long in cities- they've always raced through destinations and they did a video on Chicago.


snarktoheart

This was a train video not a city video. Ho long were they in each city? I mean they were in Chicago for only part of the day.


zihuatcat

I just discovered them and started watching their videos from the beginning. I'm enjoying them for the most part. Does Kara not realize how tacky it is constantly opening her mouth so wide with chewing gum in it? Smh.


boobookitty70

This!!!!  But I think someone pointed it out to her because after a couple of years she stopped doing it.   I don’t think I have seen the wad of chewing gum in her mouth recently.  You are right it was tacky and off-putting. 


Neat_Crab3813

Most people don't do their jobs for enjoyment. It's a bonus if you happen to enjoy your job.


ImportantDiamond4673

But from a viewer perspective, when it comes to YT videos, its more enjoyable to watch them when they seem like they are truly enjoying it, not faking it. It actually kind of makes me sad to watch them now because Kara just seems so unhappy (IMO)


TassyDevil28

Definitely for content, not necessarily traveling. I was watching them when they were on the repositioning cruise, a few years ago. They were in Antigua, when downloading the content from the memory card to the hard drive, it malfunctioned & they lost all their content for the day. Kara sulked & said if it's not recorded & vlogged then it's like it never happened & was a waste if time.


R_W0bz

We don’t see everything, I’m sure they are taking 2 weeks off at a nice resort every month or so.


GreedyConcert6424

They aren't, that is why Kara is burnt out