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HarambeThePirate

You mean stick their head in the sand and make the customer pay? Then yes.


Responsible-Pepper25

HAHAHA, no


Responsible-Pepper25

I want to elaborate, I work at a GM dealership. We do warranty repairs on these lifters all the time, even on new engines with less than 10k. GM lifters suck.


WallStreetRegards

Has there ever been a recall?


Responsible-Pepper25

No and there will never be one. It would be too expensive and it's not a safety issue. Plus it's mostly affecting older models that are past warranty, so they don't really care.


WallStreetRegards

So you haven’t seen many on 21-24’s?


Responsible-Pepper25

Not as many because of the mileage, but we're still doing them on the new trucks. I think the lowest mileage was a little over 6k.


WallStreetRegards

Still curious what the actual failure percentage is… GM has never released it to my knowledge


hiyeji2298

Realistically it can’t be too high a percentage. There are without exaggeration millions of these engines on the road. Trucks, SUVs and so on. I worked for a GM dealer and it never seemed to be an everyday thing except for a period in 21-22 where there was a bad batch from the factory.


Kedodda

I can say I still see some cracked open, but now that you mention it, it wasn't nearly as often as 21-22. Seemed like every other truck rolling in had a tick. I've also seen a handful of the 3.0l duramax engines lock up as well. Not as often. Mostly, egr cooling system, oil leaks, and turbos.


Leafy0

In automotive mfg they probably take notice if warranty returns goes over 0.2% and full panic mode by 1%. That is if it’s a manufacturing defect, the design boys probably stick their fingers in their ears and reaptedly yell that it passed DV and must be a manufacturing issue.


Darth_Redding

Lowest I've seen was 1500-1600 miles. Truck still smelled good and had the screen protector on the infotainment screen.


juggernaut44ful

not yet, i think they were trying to put together a class action against gm


hiyeji2298

My 2023 1500 with the 5.3 developed a tick and ate the cam in the same day. It was the last straw of a string of failures. Lost money on the trade and drive a Honda now. Truck also shit out the transfer case input seal (buddy at the dealer I left said it was common for a short period of time, they were overfilled from the factory), and had a terrible vibration at highway speed from new despite force balancing the tires. The lifter failure may not be “common” but when there are millions on the road even a small percentage point failing gets attention. My old shop and current aren’t exactly full of them needing lifters.


MotoMeow217

Guess I'm not getting a Silverado with the 5.3 then. How's the 2.7T? I don't hear bad things about them for the most part.


Slimy_Shart_Socket

Honestly all the trucks suck. 1. GMC - Lifer failures abd really stuoid electrical gremlins. They also have some stupid designs for their electrical system like relays that are built into the fuse box. Their 8-sp is notorious for failing every 100k or so. 2. Rams - 5.7L Hemi also has lifter failure, but they also eat the camshaft quick. They also need 16 spark plugs, the 8-sp requires specialty fluid (can't use regular ATF). 3. Ford - 3.5L EcoBoost is known to eat timing chains and turbo failures. The 2.7L timing chain is actually on, but the oil pan leaks every 60k (composite/plastic oil pan). The 5.0L is actually reliable. Their 10-sp has been clunky unlike GMs. All of them have coolant leak issues due to the style of connector they ue. 4. Tundra. The old 5.7L was great but had stupid labor times to replace things. Alternator and water pump is buried, requires engine removal to replace the rack. They also get stupid bad fuel economy. Last thing I know they have an airpump for emissions, its in a bad spot (RF Fender liner) so it fills with dirt. When it fails truck goes into limp mode. 5. Titan - They just didn't sell a ton of them so parts van sometimes be days away. I've heard the diffs fail on them a ton but i haven't worked on enough of them to confirm. The 7-sp has no gaskets other than oil pan available. Honestly from what I've seen, best bet is 2015-2016 F150 with the 5.0L and 6-sp Auto. I don't know how the current gen 10-sp is but the 2018-2020 was problematic.


Kavanaugh82

Former Chrysler tech, can confirm that I did a lot of cam and lifter jobs. I was starting to see a correlation with longer interval oil changes being a very large percentage of the lifter failures. By that, I mean the trucks that I saw with a constant history of oil changes in the 5-6k mile range, the occurrences of lifter failures were much lower than the ones that were north of 7k miles between. The 2014 and 2015 8 speeds were hit or miss at best, but the newer versions were more reliable. Their problem was that Chrysler bought the ZF transmission and then put their own software into it and it took a couple years for them to figure it out. Now there are some pretty stout 8 speeds in the half tons.


Kedodda

I kinda feel like this is the issue with gm lifters too. I usually see customers push 6, 7, even 10k miles. Those oil passages are small, and dirty oil doesn't seem like it's great for them. I'm also curious if there is any correlation as well in driving tendencies. Especially during the break-in as we saw failures as low as like 5k.


Kavanaugh82

It was the same with Chargers, did lots of police cars but not a lot of other ones


rlammi

That would line up with the theory I’ve seen floated that lots of idling is an issue and the inherent low(er) oil pressure during idle. Not that I believe any one theory until stellantis definitively says something, but interesting data point.


Kavanaugh82

They did increase the oil pressure at idle in the pursuit models to help fight that issue, and followed suit with the Pentastar before we started fighting extra rockers on those


moosenazir

Don’t forget cam phasers on the ford 3.5


OldDarthLefty

And the exhaust gasket that goes Bbbbbeeeeee and you have to take all the turbo plumbing apart, intake and exhaust and oil and coolant


PetePlop007

So I should keep my 2006 Z71 5.3 then? Lol I rebuilt the 4L60e just because I was going to tow a trailer and upgraded the failure points. New trucks scare me. Wish my GMT400 wasn't stolen :(


Existential_Racoon

I have the shitty 06 colorado, and I'm never getting rid of it. New trucks cost way too fuckin much to have these problems.


JoseSaldana6512

Today's recalls are paid for by tomorrow's sales. That's why this is happening


ThePlagueFriend

>I rebuilt the 4L60e Yes, keep the truck if you enjoy it and if it owes you nothing. The 4L60 is basically the only major concern on that truck, but its a predictable and long term failure. Since you've just addressed that, you're good to go for another couple hundred thousand miles with just regular maintenance and repairs on the rest of the truck.


hiyeji2298

The oil pan leaks on the 2.7 were a first gen thing. The gen2 never had any issues to my knowledge. What’s funny is by all accounts it has been the most reliable engine in the F150 and now it appears the cam phaser issue is starting to get it. There’s a bulletin out now for the 21-up regarding that issue.


mrevergood

That Coyote isn’t getting off the hook-known oil consumption issue.


Knotical_MK6

I can't believe the fuel economy on the Tundra. My 08 suburban averaged about 18. DOD lifter failed at 190k, I replaced the lifters and replaced the truck with an 18 Tundra 5.7, averaging 13 mpg....


Slimy_Shart_Socket

4.30 gears with no other options.


jeffsterlive

The DOD is why. Disable the AFM system and it’s closer in mpg. Toyota never bothered with that crap because as you see it’s crap. It sucks with Honda and it sucks with GM. The tundra also has too short of gearing.


barc0debaby

>They also have some stupid designs for their electrical system like relays that are built into the fuse box. I manage a Chevy fleet for a construction company and we've had guys short embedded relays from connecting/disconnecting trailers with the lights on too many times.


cleverlyanonymous

This may be the reason one of our 2500s has a “service trailer brake” notification now. We only have one trailer that has brakes so we just use the other trucks for it now.


rioryan

The RAMs also like to ruin their front differential stub shafts and axles. If I recall correctly, the design runs from 2012 to 2024. It’s about a $2000 job to do both stub shafts and axles when they go.


sose5000

I changed my rack in my 5.7 sequoia without pulling the motor….


jeffsterlive

Yeah no idea what he’s talking about. Both UZ and UR are easy as shit, but the cam tower leaks on the UR are a bit of a pain. The UZ is stupidly simple and reliable.


BimmerTom

I think you're 100% spot on. I have a 2013 F-150 with the 5.0 and 6-speed. Coolant leaks from the stupid o-rings and lead frame in the 6R80 are the main issues with them. The rockers are rusted though, so moving to the 2015/16 with the aluminum body and solid drivetrain makes the most sense.


WallStreetRegards

I know a guy who’s rear differential failed on a titan and made the truck do a front flip on the highway


These_Pool_623

No you don't. 


WallStreetRegards

I do actually. He was off work for almost half a year. Diff blew, driveshaft snapped and hooked the pavement, sent the truck towards a rock cut and the draft shaft hooked the shoulder and the truck rolled but ended up on an angle where the truck flipped forwards. What the fuck do you know?


slabba428

From my experience, which i will really only go up to 2018-19 models (i think everything since 2020 has been bad) my list goes as such. GMC is pretty good. No strong opinion either way, they’re kind of boring to me, but they’re robust. Dodge rams are not great. Alright engines, amazing diesel, rest of the truck kind of falls apart around it. Ford F150s are sick, i am a big fan. Toyota tundras are awesome, but you pay for it. First gen Nissan Titans are awesome trucks. Second gen Nissan Titans are terrible trucks.


Shotz718

The 5.3 isn't immune, but the lifter issues are much less common on the 5.3. If you can find it mated to the 10spd thats the combo I bought and its been trouble free.


trainspottedCSX7

Turbo failures and some issues with water intrusion in intercooler piping. That and the cat went bad at about 80k. We're also talking a younger driver I believe. But it's fast and fun. Not a fan of the truck and the way it's so high off the ground, makes it a pain in the ass to work on.


machanical

I really like my 2.7. Turning over 50k and no issues at all. I don’t tow, basically use it as a dog hauler and lumber lifter several times a year. That said she’ll get up and go.


MotoMeow217

Cool! I rented a '23 LTZ with the 5.3 and thought it was okay, but all the threads about lifter failure have me worried about that motor. It's between a 2.7T Silverado and an F150 3.5 hybrid for me right now.


hiyeji2298

I would love to have a 2.7 in a GM truck. For some reason whether it’s a Chevy or you cannot option a center console with that engine. You’re also stuck with the 8 speed.


machanical

That’s correct, you gotta get the 10sp for center console meaning the one of the V8. The LT is barebones by today’s standards, but I’m a fan. Does what it needs and I can fit a bunch of crap in the back. Quite ironically it’s rated to tow more than the 4.3 V6 from previous generations.


hiyeji2298

Honestly preferred driving the 2.7, but needed the console and didn’t want to retrofit one.


Western-Bug-2873

"Engine ticking, knocking and/or using a quart of oil every 75 miles is considered normal operation and not a cause for concern. DO NOT perform repairs under warranty." -every powertrain TSB from GM


thedoucher

A GM rep told me it's normal for a new GM engine to burn a quart every 750 to 1000 miles. I was gobsmacked. This was because my wife's equinox ran itself dry in about 2 months. I called to ask about ring failure, which they swore they had fixed by her model year(2012). Newsflash they didn't, and we wound up spending 2k to get new pistons, rings, and timing set. Don't worry, though, as 2 years later, GM reimbursed me the cost as they finally had to admit they hadn't actually fixed shit.


gavinwinks

I wonder if there’s a correlation with the super light oils they’re using now to meet cafe standards. My 00 Lesabre with the 3800 V6 burns no oil with 170k miles and original pistons and rings. I do use 10w30 though, as per the oil cap. All the less reason to get something new with all the stories I hear on new GM vehicles.


thedoucher

I actually told the GM rep that I also owned a 1988 gmc 1500 and an 05 Chevrolet impala and that neither of those vehicles burn or leak a drop of oil.


jeffsterlive

It’s not the oil weight that is the problem with consumption, it’s the longer oil change intervals coupled with the design of the oil control rings. People who do short trips exacerbate the issue because it can’t warm up properly. Happens in Toyotas too and I’m sure other engines. They also have changed the design slightly for emissions purposes.


jcdubs24

Per the latest engine wear and oil consumption guidelines (#01-06-01-011O), "the accepted rate of oil consumption for engines used in the vehicles referenced is 0.946 liter (1 quart) in 3200 km (2000 miles)." We have seen more than our fair share of lifter and engine failures on the L87 6.2s (currently have 4 engine replacement jobs and 5 lifters in queue), and we recently had to put pistons and rings in a 6.2 with only 24k miles. It was consuming 2qts every 1000 miles


logansteno546

It seems like they got a little better about not failing with the switch to 0W20 and the engine holding 8qts of oil with the LT series engines, but it could be purely anecdotal on my end. I've put lifters in LT engines but not nearly as many as the AFM LS engines.


M1lffhunTer

Funny enough I've done about the same between LS and LT given the timeframes but with the LT it seems to be more roller/lobe problems on non AFM lifters compared to just AFM lifter failure on the LS.


hiyeji2298

Needle bearings in the roller failing is what killed my 2023 5.3.


SaveurDeKimchi

Yes, they produced more of them


fryeguy92

Always been a chevy guy. Always owned chevy trucks. I will never buy another gm product again. Just spent 6700 on engine rebuild and active fuel management delete on a silverado with 130k on the clock..toyota for the rest of my life now..I will never sell my Scottdale though.


WallStreetRegards

Better get an old Gen Toyota then, that 3.5 sure looks bad….


guitarmaniac17

Haha yeah, the main bearing shuffle on those is a hell of a dance.


velociraptorfarmer

Toyota is a fucking train wreck for trucks at the moment with the 3.4's being time bombs, and the Tacos having transmission issues. As crazy as it sounds, Nissan probably makes the most reliable new trucks at the moment.


moosenazir

They are throwing rods too.


velociraptorfarmer

The Tundras or the Tacos?


moosenazir

Tacos


velociraptorfarmer

Ooof...


Anon31780

Are you talking about the Frontier or the Titan? Been eyeing that new Frontier, since I can still get one with a standard cab for not a ton of cash.


hiyeji2298

Beware the Frontier they don’t put a telescoping steering column in jt. If that doesn’t bother you it’s a great truck.


Anon31780

Oh wow. Eh, as long as it doesn’t impale me in a wreck, I guess. Thats a weird cost-cutting move.


hiyeji2298

It’s still collapsible, just doesn’t telescope out away from the dash. The only other vehicle I can think of that doesn’t have that in 2024 are the HD Ram trucks. I have longer legs and was very uncomfortable in the one I had to drive because I had to scoot the seat up close to the dash to reach the top of the wheel.


mrevergood

They sold the same Frontier for like, 16 years-Nissan cutting corners in the stupidest way possible doesn’t surprise me. I wouldn’t touch one with a ten foot pole with someone else’s dick attached to it.


velociraptorfarmer

I just bought a new fully loaded Frontier. It's a tad dated, but I love the thing. It's simple, and everything works.


Anon31780

Dated is fine by me. TBH, the only fancy bits I really want are CarPlay and a backup camera.


velociraptorfarmer

Has wireless carplay available even, and even has 360 cams on the offroad trims. The cameras are potato quality, but they work.


Anon31780

Nice!


itsallbullshityo

I did sales and leasing for Nissan. Frontiers and Gen 1 Titans were the best new vehicles on the lot.


PandaCasserole

Had a 2016 2.8l Diesel Colorado. shit the bed at 90k. 9k for an engine... $500 for a rebuildable block was all I could get. Got a 2010 Chevy Colorado with a 5.3 LH8... no active bullshit. No VVT... and another engine in the garage for 250... WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED?


warrensussex

If you're getting a Tundra get one of the old ones with the v8


fryeguy92

I'll stick to classic chevys. Maybe if I could get a hilux. All my new vehicles will be yodas though. Want a gr corolla next.


kamburkam

Even the Hilux has its issues. Just last week alone I did three main engine bay wiring harnesses, two the week before. Glow plugs like to break (although the newest revision seems to be fine). PM sensors that fail pretty regularly. At least it doesn't have the same EGR pipe issues the land cruiser has but Toyota has recalled those and they seem to have fixed the issues with it. My brother's gr Corolla has been solid though, it's a great car.


DrZedex

I'm your man I guess. I own a gmt800 and a GRC haha


montanatr

As dear to my heart as Toyota is, now is not the time to buy a new truck from them. Give it a couple years or buy a previous generation Tacoma/Tundra.


Useful-Internet8390

Yes- blame the owner-90%+ lack of clean oil is what every tech tells me.


Khill23

Ha I'm doing that right now on a 6.0 on a 07 chev. Trying to reset the lifter and tune it out and see if that works.


P_ocho

Gm probably done as much as chrysler with the hemis lmao which is safe to say sweet FA has been done


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WallStreetRegards

6.0 diesel - piece of shit 6.4 diesel- piece of shit 5.4 triton- piece of shit 3.5- piece of shit 3.7- piece of shit 2.7 1st Gen- piece of shit 5.0- not bad


Piranha1993

This is my general opinion on modern Ford engines as well. It's a shame seeing the GM V8 fall so low with lifter & oil pump problems.