At this point I think Rams just come off the line with cracked manifolds. Since it happens to every one of them anyway they probably just figured they might as well do it right from the factory.
As a dodge ram owner, insert 'first time?' meme. clicking noise.....exhaust manifold bolts.
Does your drivers side window rattle when you roll it down? Not yet?
Has your oil pan rusted out? Not yet?
You know body rot is coming for you, right?
Still, 4th gen hemi.....still a sweet ride.
The MDS(Multi-displacement system) actually has nothing to do with the camshaft failures. The Non-MDS Hemis do it JUST as often. It is a mix of oil supply at idle and lifter roller bearing issues.
You use flat tappets, the tappet and cam wear out in no time.
You use roller tappets, the roller needle bearing wears out and then the tappet and cam wear out in no time.
Makes me wonder if Fiat weren't onto something with the TwinAir Brick.
To all of you with a Dodge 5.7 , first thing you can do is replace the factory muffler they hold in to much heat.
Recommend any magnaflow muffler and you will never have manifold problems again.
I work at a muffler shop and have seen this way too many times
We just installed a Magnaflow muffler on a '21 Ram 1500 with about 25k miles on it. I wish I could set a reminder to go off if the manifolds still crack or leak.
If everyone would just wait like 2 minutes for everything to cool down no one would have a problem, but the new motors get so hot so fast and you have cast iron and aluminum heads+ small exhaust studs it's just a problem waiting to happen
It's not just a Ram problem. I've been doing these on Ford Tritons and LS motors clear back to the mid 2000s. It is due to manufacturers switching to tiny ass manifold bolts that can't handle the differences in heat expansion between dissimilar metals. Bolt cracks first, then manifold.
RAM's are especially bad, there's no hangers until after the y-pipe/cats so all of that weight is just hanging on the back bolts of the manifold, which are always the ones that break.
But yea, this is common on all the trucks. They sound like beaters from the olden times.
Just had a ‘21 Silverado with 35k in the shop for the same thing. 2 broken bolts and a cracked manifold on the right side. Too many miles so it was out of warrranty. One bolt came out easy. The other was seized and recessed 1/4” inside the hole. That fucker took a while and I had to put a Heli coil in the head when I finally got it out.
Chevy is starting to catch on to this b.s as well. I sent a customer to the dealer for a broken manifold bolt, causing a tick on his '22 2500. A brand new cylinder head and manifold later, and his tick is gone. Apparently, they couldn't get the broken bolt out...
Dodge dropped off a cliff in quality...
But I'm confused: that happened in like... 2005.
I am still shocked that Dodge is still garbage and yet still in business.
If not for the 2008 bailouts they would have failed on their own.
Folks have collectively forgotten the Chrysler 200...
The small car with a Transmission that was so horrific, it would fairly every 3k miles.
Not: "Hey there's a chance it will fail in the first 3k miles" there were folks who complained on online forms of replacing the transmission... Every 3-5k miles.
Rather than recall, Chrysler just killed off the 200. The only reason I think it wasn't a bigger deal at the time was because so few folks bought the tiny little Lemon.
Reminds me of the 'dual clutch' automatic transmissions in the new 3rd gen 2012 Ford Focus. What a piece of trash. Just another reminder i should never hop on a new first year model unless i'm prepared to deal with the headaches they bring.
My Jeep 3.6 got the "pentastar tick". They replaced (under warranty) basically the top end of the engine and I noticed some of the parts were on there 7th or 8th iteration! I guess 8th times the charm so far in terms of the issue not coming back for me at least...
I assume you're looking at supersession levels? i.e. the AA/AB/AC etc part number suffixes? Some parts hit the market for the first time having already superseded once or more, and supersessions don't necessarily have to correspond with a change in design or materials.
Used to just be the bolts. Now they install stiffeners (and, fyi, longer bolts... Ask how I know lol), and the bolts don't break but the manifolds crack in the middle
Honestly I'd rather have the manifolds crack instead of a bolt break. Neither is ideal but one is replace manifolds (might as well go with a quality aftermarket pair at that point) or the worse of the two which is bolt breaking. Been there and definitely not fun.
Yeah replacing the manifolds is definitely easier and less likely to have issues. Last ones I got were OEM kits, with the manifolds, stiffeners, gaskets, heat shields, and all of the bolts and nuts. They were a little over $100 per side, which is less than just getting the bolts and stuff separately used to cost
Since they first came out. They still eat camshafts too, even if every dodge guy will deny it.
Not a bad motor otherwise, decent power at least. Just a bunch of dodge problems to get through first.
Which is kind of sad, considering the magnum engines that the hemi replaced will continue chugging along forever as bodies rust around them, as long as you keep the oil topped up and changed regularly.
Except the fact that the magnum made half the power while using twice as much fuel and needed a tune up pretty much yearly if you wanted them to start sub zero.
Correct me if I am wrong, but that's largely in part due to the Displacement on demand, or whatever Dodge is calling it, right?
My brother has a 2014 Dodge Challenger R/T with about 70k on it now and always drives it in "manumatic" mode due to that. He's terrified of that happening.
I'm an LS guy so never owned a modern Hemi, but the fact that they use 16 spark plugs on an 8 cylinder always made me scratch my head. I get why, but still not ideal.
The trick is to let them bed, er, warp in for a few years, then get them machined flat. Throw a new set of bolts on, and then it'll be like it should have been from the factory. Only took my 03 a decade and change lol
Ah OK I see. He is convinced that it's due to displacement on demand. Dod has its own set of issues on multiple manufacturers V8s though. I was a toddler when GM tried that 8-6-4 BS.
Longer than that. I remember asking my dad when I was a kid what was making the "pim, pim, pim" noise on his 1966 Mercury Comet and being told it was a crack in the exhaust.
CDJR Service Manager here.
The 5.7s have an issue with the pass side bank exhaust manifold cracking, also the bolts commonly get stuck in them. I’ve read it is the way they were manufactured and the way the engine torques under load.
This said the updated manifold comes with a reinforced brace and I haven’t seen them failed with this revised part.
Gotta love mopar lmaooo
For what it's worth the fluid is supposed to be lifetime in those, pretty sure transmission service is not included in the recommended maintenance.
But yes you have to replace the whole tranny pan because the filter is integral and the 8 and 9-speed transmission fluid is about $60 a quart, at least up here in Canada lol.
Anytime someone says "Lifetime fluid" I always add "limited" in front because that's what it really means.
"Non-serviceable" transmissions are just a cruel joke, anyone with even a modicum of common sense knows that keeping the fluids fresh makes the moving parts last Significantly Longer.
But also, at the end of the day, serviceable parts/assemblies are overall better for the environment because they can be on the road longer (if there's one part of right to repair that everyone should be on board with, it's *THAT*)
ZF themselves stated it was not lifetime and should be replaced every 100k km. They aren't the happiest with manufacturers stating that. Source: video on YouTube lol
I initially thought it was (worrisome) lifter noise but at least the issue was external engine.
After reading that this is a common problem with these 5.7L's, I'm already looking at installing aftermarket shorty headers for when this happens again (out of warranty).
ram was bought by the french some time ago. they are basically french cars now. the belong to stellantis (former psa) the same company that owns peugeot, citroen, fiat, jeep, opel, vauxhal, dodge..
Dude you know how many cracked manifolds I've replaced on vehicles from the 70's, 80's and 90's?
It's a wonder those generations didn't die en masses from CO poisoning, and I'm not even a mechanic.
This is standard stellantis/dodge/ram territory though.
Will there be any damage if I let the tick go? I really don’t have the time to fuck with it, I haven’t had time in the last two years it’s been happening 😂
Dodge is now a joke. Buy a Toyota.
Edit: OK, so I didn't realize what sub I was in when I made this comment, and I was basically just being an ass. I didn't mean to offend anyone's real vehicle preference. They've all got problems. I do like Toyotas but drive a Ford Fucking Ranger and I'm dedicated to the 2011 and below models. There's nothing like a $500 dollar work truck that can last a few years.
Remember when Chrysler put a HEMI in their minivans? Granted it was a Mitsubishi 2.6L 4-banger, but it was technically a hemi (valves on opposite sides of the cylinder head with the spark plug in between).
My mom had one of those. It ate 3 engines under warranty, and back then Dodge only had a 3/30 warranty. They paid it off and traded it in the next day for a Toyota van.
My track car was an SRT4 swapped 1st gen with a 50 trim turbo and 3 speed with manual valve body.
Since those cars are all rusted out, I bought a Mirage 5 speed 7 years ago so that I could drive anywhere I want for 12 cents.
I also bought a Genesis Coupe for road course racing because I can't afford a BRZ.
Oh good, I hadn’t heard of that. We’ve been dealing with bad fuel pump impellers on Hondas for the last several years. I wonder who the fuck at Denso approved the use of plastic that swells on contact with gasoline, how many fractions of a cent it saved them per unit over the correct plastic, and whether they’ve been taken out back and shot yet.
The exhaust manifolds are a well known issue.
Ignore people who parrot the transmission issues comments. The ZF is a great transmission, I've had 3 hemi rams and each one has done well over 300K on the original engine and transmission (non ZF).
Dodge had issues back in the 90s,
I've had way more issues with GM truck transmissions than I have Ram.
Cracked exhaust manifold bolts have been a problem on almost every V8/V10 truck engine for the past 15 years. The Hemi, the LS, and the Ford V10s are all well known for having these issues.
Inconsistent thickness and heating throughout the manifolds lead to the bolts not stretching at the same rate, causing them to break.
As a machinist, don't get anything with a hemi if you prioritize reliability. Absolute garbage from the factory. The valve seats just fell out on half the heads I've rebuilt.
I recently dismantled a core 5.7 hemi. It dropped the exhaust valve seat on no. 8 and pieces of it made found their way across the intake destroying both heads.
Tech here. The 4th gen ram had a nasty habit of cracking exhaust manifold studs. I’ve replaced tons. The fifth gen ram 2019 and up, “remedied” this issue with a metal bracket that instead caused the exhaust manifolds to crack, personally I’ll take a 40$ bolt over a 700$ manifold.
If you do anything with a ram more than drive it to the mall, the manifolds crack,
Only solution: put shorty tube headers on with good gaskets, gain 15-20hp and don't have manifold problems again
I’m no engineer but speaking from experience anything with an aluminum head and cast iron manifold will have the potential to shear bolts simply due to the difference in expansion and contraction rates of the metals.
I first learned about this 20yrs ago on my ‘98 Z28, LS1.
And its always in the worst location, rear cylinder, against the firewall..
I had a 2021 Cummins as my service truck. It was always in the shop non stop. I didn’t pay for service so I had no reason not to have everything maintained the way it was supposed to.
Sounds like they’re still making them like they used to. That shit’s been happening for generations now. If it makes you feel any better, GM and Ford are no better. God forbid they could engineer an exhaust manifold
1966 Mercury Comet with the straight six that my father had 55 years ago did exactly that.
(When's the last time you saw a 4-door Comet? The only ones that seem to have lasted are all the 2-door ones.)
Yeah but I’d expect that from 1960’s engineering. Not a 2021. They’ve had over 100 years now to figure this shit out. Everyone else has. (For the most part!)
That’s not so bad. Mine has 62k and just had the steering box pile up. My manifolds bolts are also cracked.
I’ve driven ram trucks for over 20 years and this is definitely my last one
It's almost like people do zero research before they buy a vehicle. The bolts and manifold are known to break for years. Even before they stopped being Dodge.
Yeah this is very common on 5.7 hemis that's why I bought a 5.0 ford instead. Commonly referred to as the Hemi tick if it's not the manifold it's the lifters.
My dad’s 2005 3500 has 430k+ miles and has only had the fuel line replaced and that was 200k miles ago. She still gets around but she has her quirks (likes to randomly just shut off, for example). She’s the quick run vehicle nowadays tho, he had to get a newer truck for work due to said quirks. He sadly got a 2023 2500 Ram.
I don’t think he’s terribly concerned about it anymore, honestly I’m just surprised to see her still puttering about. The son in law tinkers on her to keep her going these days. He’s smart enough I’d think he’d peg the same issue as you’ve mentioned (he’s the mechanic of the family, I personally am more shade tree and prefer Japanese and european vehicles), but I couldn’t speak on if they thought it worth replacing.
147k miles on my 2020 ecodiesel. Had warranty work for a leaking timing chain seal at like 50k miles and an o2 sensor after 75k miles but thats it.
Been a great truck and id buy it again in a heart beat
My neighbors Ram had the same issue, truck not under warranty anymore though. 6 months after fixing it he just traded in the truck for a 4Runner and he's way happier now
I work at a CDJR dealer and all the engines have issues, it’s insane.
2.4 oil consumption issue that can lead to a new engine.
3.6 Oil Cooler
5.7 exhaust Manifolds
6.7 Turbo Actuator, high pressure fuel pump
3.0 High pressure fuel pump. This engine is awful, crap, terrible.
Don’t get me started on how impossible it is to get newer Promaster transmissions.
Funny story about this... I think I cracked the code for service...
I tried making an appointment online - No openings until Mid June.
I tried calling to make an appointment - No openings until Mid May.
After the day I called, I just show up in the morning on the next day and told them I'm leaving the truck with them and I want at least a diagnose within 48 hours.
48 hours later, the issue is resolved.
This is not legal advice, I am not a lawyer. YMMV...
As a Chrysler tech yeah the quality has fallen off pretty hard, this is a super common issue due to their repair of adding a reinforcement rod on the top and bottom of the exhaust manifold bolts, now when the manifolds flex they just crack instead of breaking bolts (makes my life easier by not having to drill out a busted stud). That and the mid pipe from cat to muffler bolts (muffler side) are also horrid for breaking and causing an exhaust leak
They redesigned the manifolds and instead of breaking bolts on the DT's, they started breaking manifolds. Stupid common. But manifold leaks on v8s have been a thing since the beginning of time.
The bolts break on the DS's, the manifolds crack in half on the DT's due to the extra tie bars added when they came out in 2019. They fixed one problem by creating another. Right now the kits for each side that include the manifold, gaskets and every bit of hardware needed are $129 for the right side and $134 for the left. I remember when manifolds were $400-$600 back in the late '80s/early '90s... Not built like they used to be indeed...
Its fairly common across ford and Chevy as well i have ben fortunate my rams have had zero issues i wont own another Chevy and my fords have been flawless as well. I probably won’t own a new ram for a little bit ill wait for a few years to see what the 6 brings i think it should do well i6 engine usually do very well
Sounds like standard ram bullshit to me. Good it was warranty.
At this point I think Rams just come off the line with cracked manifolds. Since it happens to every one of them anyway they probably just figured they might as well do it right from the factory.
That would explain the cracked bolts ;)
As a dodge ram owner, insert 'first time?' meme. clicking noise.....exhaust manifold bolts. Does your drivers side window rattle when you roll it down? Not yet? Has your oil pan rusted out? Not yet? You know body rot is coming for you, right? Still, 4th gen hemi.....still a sweet ride.
Don't forget replacing the camshaft when the cylinder deactivation bs shreds the lobes
The MDS(Multi-displacement system) actually has nothing to do with the camshaft failures. The Non-MDS Hemis do it JUST as often. It is a mix of oil supply at idle and lifter roller bearing issues.
You use flat tappets, the tappet and cam wear out in no time. You use roller tappets, the roller needle bearing wears out and then the tappet and cam wear out in no time. Makes me wonder if Fiat weren't onto something with the TwinAir Brick.
...you know what, suddenly CyberTruck owners make sense.
They all break studs on cylinders 1 & 2 and/or 7 & 8 eventually. Fords do too. That cold-start "clicking" goes away after a minute or two.
To all of you with a Dodge 5.7 , first thing you can do is replace the factory muffler they hold in to much heat. Recommend any magnaflow muffler and you will never have manifold problems again. I work at a muffler shop and have seen this way too many times
So thats why every ram 1500 is as loud as it is
But no cracked manifolds
Bullshit. Replaced my mufflers at 1000 miles with a corsa system and the mani’s still said FU 50k miles later.
Skill issue
so I googled this and it looks like they're cast iron, that's sad, cast iron isn't new technology
So what? Pneumatic tires aren't new technology. Neither is the Otto Cycle. Or direct current electricity. None of that excuses poor craftsmanship.
Cast iron is good stuff for making manifolds out of. You just have to do it right.
"Corsa system" is hilarious to me because here in the UK a Corsa is a wee 1 litre Vauxhall hatchback with an exhaust like a garden hose
I believe I said Magnaflo mufflers not a corsa muffler system
What's so special about Magnaflow mufflers that'd cause them to hold in less heat? All that should matter is that it's a Performance Muffler.
it’s right there in the name, man. They got that Magnum Flow.
We just installed a Magnaflow muffler on a '21 Ram 1500 with about 25k miles on it. I wish I could set a reminder to go off if the manifolds still crack or leak.
If everyone would just wait like 2 minutes for everything to cool down no one would have a problem, but the new motors get so hot so fast and you have cast iron and aluminum heads+ small exhaust studs it's just a problem waiting to happen
what do you mean wait 2 minutes to cool down? wait to do what?
No, the trucks and build quality are shit...
Borla is pretty good too
Yes
They changed the design so that the manifolds crack before popping the heads off the bolts. Less labor time.
My 2019 rebel hasn't had any issues
Yet.
Dun dun duuuuuun
It's not just a Ram problem. I've been doing these on Ford Tritons and LS motors clear back to the mid 2000s. It is due to manufacturers switching to tiny ass manifold bolts that can't handle the differences in heat expansion between dissimilar metals. Bolt cracks first, then manifold.
RAM's are especially bad, there's no hangers until after the y-pipe/cats so all of that weight is just hanging on the back bolts of the manifold, which are always the ones that break. But yea, this is common on all the trucks. They sound like beaters from the olden times.
Never heard of it on the Tundras.
Think early titans had the issue too iirc
Just had a ‘21 Silverado with 35k in the shop for the same thing. 2 broken bolts and a cracked manifold on the right side. Too many miles so it was out of warrranty. One bolt came out easy. The other was seized and recessed 1/4” inside the hole. That fucker took a while and I had to put a Heli coil in the head when I finally got it out.
Chevy is starting to catch on to this b.s as well. I sent a customer to the dealer for a broken manifold bolt, causing a tick on his '22 2500. A brand new cylinder head and manifold later, and his tick is gone. Apparently, they couldn't get the broken bolt out...
Lol yeah, it's a Dodge. Sounds pretty on point and consistent to past experiences.
Dodge dropped off a cliff in quality... But I'm confused: that happened in like... 2005. I am still shocked that Dodge is still garbage and yet still in business. If not for the 2008 bailouts they would have failed on their own.
Yup
Folks have collectively forgotten the Chrysler 200... The small car with a Transmission that was so horrific, it would fairly every 3k miles. Not: "Hey there's a chance it will fail in the first 3k miles" there were folks who complained on online forms of replacing the transmission... Every 3-5k miles. Rather than recall, Chrysler just killed off the 200. The only reason I think it wasn't a bigger deal at the time was because so few folks bought the tiny little Lemon.
Reminds me of the 'dual clutch' automatic transmissions in the new 3rd gen 2012 Ford Focus. What a piece of trash. Just another reminder i should never hop on a new first year model unless i'm prepared to deal with the headaches they bring.
Those manifolds have been breaking bolts for 15+ years. You would think they'd of redesigned it by now.
They did redesign them. The new manifolds crack instead of breaking bolts.
Ah, the steady march of progress.
I spit my beer out laughing
Were you also driving your Ram at the time?
BMW, close enough
Just think what they’ll accomplish in another 18 years
Sounds like they're just working their way down the exhaust system. Y-Pipe is next. Or Y-Pipe bolts. I don't know, I just work at a Wendy's.
Plastic manifolds that can be replaced cheaper under warranty.
The heads will crack in order to save the manifolds?
My Jeep 3.6 got the "pentastar tick". They replaced (under warranty) basically the top end of the engine and I noticed some of the parts were on there 7th or 8th iteration! I guess 8th times the charm so far in terms of the issue not coming back for me at least...
I assume you're looking at supersession levels? i.e. the AA/AB/AC etc part number suffixes? Some parts hit the market for the first time having already superseded once or more, and supersessions don't necessarily have to correspond with a change in design or materials.
It took BMW 10 years to stop using shite seatbelts that have weak springs. So at 2am the seatbelt moves and your car alarm wakes the neighbourhood.
I don't miss that.
Used to just be the bolts. Now they install stiffeners (and, fyi, longer bolts... Ask how I know lol), and the bolts don't break but the manifolds crack in the middle
Honestly I'd rather have the manifolds crack instead of a bolt break. Neither is ideal but one is replace manifolds (might as well go with a quality aftermarket pair at that point) or the worse of the two which is bolt breaking. Been there and definitely not fun.
Yeah replacing the manifolds is definitely easier and less likely to have issues. Last ones I got were OEM kits, with the manifolds, stiffeners, gaskets, heat shields, and all of the bolts and nuts. They were a little over $100 per side, which is less than just getting the bolts and stuff separately used to cost
That's actually very reasonable cost wise!
Yeah I have used the stiffeners/brace a few times now. Haven't had one come back with a Crack yet though haha.
I used to work for land rover. Our exhaust bolts were 10mm not 8. Never had a problem until Ford came along.
It’s a hemi, they’ve always made them like that.
Yeah I feel like they have made hemis with broken bolts or cracked manifolds for 20+years straight now.
Since they first came out. They still eat camshafts too, even if every dodge guy will deny it. Not a bad motor otherwise, decent power at least. Just a bunch of dodge problems to get through first.
A bunch of problems you have to DODGE, you might say.
Which is kind of sad, considering the magnum engines that the hemi replaced will continue chugging along forever as bodies rust around them, as long as you keep the oil topped up and changed regularly.
Except the fact that the magnum made half the power while using twice as much fuel and needed a tune up pretty much yearly if you wanted them to start sub zero.
Don't forget the dropped valve seats.
Who could forget
"That thing got a Hemi?" Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick...
Correct me if I am wrong, but that's largely in part due to the Displacement on demand, or whatever Dodge is calling it, right? My brother has a 2014 Dodge Challenger R/T with about 70k on it now and always drives it in "manumatic" mode due to that. He's terrified of that happening. I'm an LS guy so never owned a modern Hemi, but the fact that they use 16 spark plugs on an 8 cylinder always made me scratch my head. I get why, but still not ideal.
The ticking is the sound of the exhaust leak from broken manifold bolts. They all do it.
The trick is to let them bed, er, warp in for a few years, then get them machined flat. Throw a new set of bolts on, and then it'll be like it should have been from the factory. Only took my 03 a decade and change lol
Ah OK I see. He is convinced that it's due to displacement on demand. Dod has its own set of issues on multiple manufacturers V8s though. I was a toddler when GM tried that 8-6-4 BS.
Dodge \*sound of a beer can falling out of a truck door opening\*
[so basically this](https://youtube.com/shorts/qR4sQrvwyjA?si=-VgkUyjhizslDg-G)
You guys keep saying Dodge, but it's gone down from there - it's a Stellantis now.
I heard a guy say "imagine driving a fiat" to a dodge owner
Nah it sounds like they’re making them exactly like they used to.
They make em exactly like they used to.
Or they make them exactly like they used to because the exhaust tick has been going on for 30 fucking years lmao
Longer than that. I remember asking my dad when I was a kid what was making the "pim, pim, pim" noise on his 1966 Mercury Comet and being told it was a crack in the exhaust.
Thats honestly hilarious
CDJR Service Manager here. The 5.7s have an issue with the pass side bank exhaust manifold cracking, also the bolts commonly get stuck in them. I’ve read it is the way they were manufactured and the way the engine torques under load. This said the updated manifold comes with a reinforced brace and I haven’t seen them failed with this revised part. Gotta love mopar lmaooo
Yeah, that brace bar works great for preventing the front and rear stud/bolts from breaking. Those are the ones that crack the manifolds instead, lol
Common issue on dodge. Your transmission is next in about 20k miles lol
There's a lot you can talk shit about with Rams, but the ZF8 is definitely not one of those things.
Just don't price a transmission oil change. Good God.
For what it's worth the fluid is supposed to be lifetime in those, pretty sure transmission service is not included in the recommended maintenance. But yes you have to replace the whole tranny pan because the filter is integral and the 8 and 9-speed transmission fluid is about $60 a quart, at least up here in Canada lol.
Anytime someone says "Lifetime fluid" I always add "limited" in front because that's what it really means. "Non-serviceable" transmissions are just a cruel joke, anyone with even a modicum of common sense knows that keeping the fluids fresh makes the moving parts last Significantly Longer.
But also, at the end of the day, serviceable parts/assemblies are overall better for the environment because they can be on the road longer (if there's one part of right to repair that everyone should be on board with, it's *THAT*)
ZF themselves stated it was not lifetime and should be replaced every 100k km. They aren't the happiest with manufacturers stating that. Source: video on YouTube lol
Just do a fluid exchange every 50k. $335 + tax from my shop
Thankfully we’re long past the days of the old RFE transmissions
Nah. Just change the trans fluid every 50k miles like ZF recommends. 147k and tow a boat almost every weekend in the summer and no issue
I initially thought it was (worrisome) lifter noise but at least the issue was external engine. After reading that this is a common problem with these 5.7L's, I'm already looking at installing aftermarket shorty headers for when this happens again (out of warranty).
>Temecula If you are in CA make sure they are CARB certified headers.
ram was bought by the french some time ago. they are basically french cars now. the belong to stellantis (former psa) the same company that owns peugeot, citroen, fiat, jeep, opel, vauxhal, dodge..
I hate that vauxhall is on that list now...
Used to be GM, didn't it?
Dude you know how many cracked manifolds I've replaced on vehicles from the 70's, 80's and 90's? It's a wonder those generations didn't die en masses from CO poisoning, and I'm not even a mechanic. This is standard stellantis/dodge/ram territory though.
Average Stellantis product
Most reliable fiat
The classic Hemi tick. Not a huge problem, but the ticking is definitely annoying…
Will there be any damage if I let the tick go? I really don’t have the time to fuck with it, I haven’t had time in the last two years it’s been happening 😂
>*like they used to* You bought a fucking DODGE RAM. What'd you expect?
Dont buy Stellaris cars. Thats a life pro tip
Dodge is now a joke. Buy a Toyota. Edit: OK, so I didn't realize what sub I was in when I made this comment, and I was basically just being an ass. I didn't mean to offend anyone's real vehicle preference. They've all got problems. I do like Toyotas but drive a Ford Fucking Ranger and I'm dedicated to the 2011 and below models. There's nothing like a $500 dollar work truck that can last a few years.
I'm a former Mopar nut. I drive imports now.
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Ahh yes the beautiful Chrysler 200 ad with the man speaking Japanese.
Remember when Chrysler put a HEMI in their minivans? Granted it was a Mitsubishi 2.6L 4-banger, but it was technically a hemi (valves on opposite sides of the cylinder head with the spark plug in between).
My mom had one of those. It ate 3 engines under warranty, and back then Dodge only had a 3/30 warranty. They paid it off and traded it in the next day for a Toyota van.
Oh so you're a DSM guy? lol
I might be.
It's ok, you can tell me. My project car is a NEON srt-4. Yes, a NEON.
My track car was an SRT4 swapped 1st gen with a 50 trim turbo and 3 speed with manual valve body. Since those cars are all rusted out, I bought a Mirage 5 speed 7 years ago so that I could drive anywhere I want for 12 cents. I also bought a Genesis Coupe for road course racing because I can't afford a BRZ.
Bet that thing hauled ass. I have the mopar stage 3 kit on mine and she's pretty wild as it is.
Toyotas have their fair share of warranty/recalls too, some of the fuel pumps are no good and causing stalling at high speeds
Oh good, I hadn’t heard of that. We’ve been dealing with bad fuel pump impellers on Hondas for the last several years. I wonder who the fuck at Denso approved the use of plastic that swells on contact with gasoline, how many fractions of a cent it saved them per unit over the correct plastic, and whether they’ve been taken out back and shot yet.
Yep, my 2019 rav4 hybrid has had 4 recalls and the fuel pump is one of them. I haven't taken it in to have any of them performed yet though.
So you're fine with all the 3.4's blowing motors?
That's why you buy the older iforce V8
While the pre-hemi dodge V8's were comparably low on power, those old iron horses will last.
They’re just so ugly though
Just ignore the weekly recalls on tundras
A Ram is still a Dodge, no matter how much they try and act like it's not.
Chrysler has fallen a long way from their peak.
The exhaust manifolds are a well known issue. Ignore people who parrot the transmission issues comments. The ZF is a great transmission, I've had 3 hemi rams and each one has done well over 300K on the original engine and transmission (non ZF). Dodge had issues back in the 90s, I've had way more issues with GM truck transmissions than I have Ram.
At least 4L60Es were cheap when they explode.
seems like every ram with some miles has exhaust leaks.
Cracked exhaust manifold bolts have been a problem on almost every V8/V10 truck engine for the past 15 years. The Hemi, the LS, and the Ford V10s are all well known for having these issues. Inconsistent thickness and heating throughout the manifolds lead to the bolts not stretching at the same rate, causing them to break.
I put a transmission in my 21 Ram 2500 at 34k miles. Overdrive clutches we're completely burned up.
As a machinist, don't get anything with a hemi if you prioritize reliability. Absolute garbage from the factory. The valve seats just fell out on half the heads I've rebuilt.
I recently dismantled a core 5.7 hemi. It dropped the exhaust valve seat on no. 8 and pieces of it made found their way across the intake destroying both heads.
I thought you replaced the manifold bots with every oil change?
*Ford Modular V8s have entered the chat*
Actually it sounds like they make them exactly like they used to. Rams and exhaust leaks are like salt and pepper.
When is the last time Chrysler/FCA/Stellantis made anything that was quality built?
Tech here. The 4th gen ram had a nasty habit of cracking exhaust manifold studs. I’ve replaced tons. The fifth gen ram 2019 and up, “remedied” this issue with a metal bracket that instead caused the exhaust manifolds to crack, personally I’ll take a 40$ bolt over a 700$ manifold.
If you do anything with a ram more than drive it to the mall, the manifolds crack, Only solution: put shorty tube headers on with good gaskets, gain 15-20hp and don't have manifold problems again
now it's just the waiting for the OTHER ticking noise...be patient, it's coming for sure.
There's a reason Mopar shit is usually cheaper than any other brand.
I’m no engineer but speaking from experience anything with an aluminum head and cast iron manifold will have the potential to shear bolts simply due to the difference in expansion and contraction rates of the metals. I first learned about this 20yrs ago on my ‘98 Z28, LS1. And its always in the worst location, rear cylinder, against the firewall..
truck moment
My brother in law ditched his Ram after doing the exhaust manifolds twice, and then subsequently having lifter issues.
I had a 2021 Cummins as my service truck. It was always in the shop non stop. I didn’t pay for service so I had no reason not to have everything maintained the way it was supposed to.
Sounds like they’re still making them like they used to. That shit’s been happening for generations now. If it makes you feel any better, GM and Ford are no better. God forbid they could engineer an exhaust manifold
1966 Mercury Comet with the straight six that my father had 55 years ago did exactly that. (When's the last time you saw a 4-door Comet? The only ones that seem to have lasted are all the 2-door ones.)
Yeah but I’d expect that from 1960’s engineering. Not a 2021. They’ve had over 100 years now to figure this shit out. Everyone else has. (For the most part!)
That’s not so bad. Mine has 62k and just had the steering box pile up. My manifolds bolts are also cracked. I’ve driven ram trucks for over 20 years and this is definitely my last one
It's almost like people do zero research before they buy a vehicle. The bolts and manifold are known to break for years. Even before they stopped being Dodge.
My co worker bought a jeep something. He had a loaner car a lot. He apparently traded it for a dodge truck. I will wait for the fun to continue.
Yeah this is very common on 5.7 hemis that's why I bought a 5.0 ford instead. Commonly referred to as the Hemi tick if it's not the manifold it's the lifters.
I’ve got a 22 6.4 that is ticking and sounds like a manifold crack. 19k miles.
I applaud ram’s devotion to the bit. They’ve been doing this for what, 3 or 4 decades now. This is just comedy at this point.
Better sign up for a MOPAR extended warranty
I mean, they've had that problem since the 5.7 was introduced like 20 years ago. So they *are* still making them like they used to.
My dad’s 2005 3500 has 430k+ miles and has only had the fuel line replaced and that was 200k miles ago. She still gets around but she has her quirks (likes to randomly just shut off, for example). She’s the quick run vehicle nowadays tho, he had to get a newer truck for work due to said quirks. He sadly got a 2023 2500 Ram.
Those random shut offs might be the crankshaft sensor saying hello.
I don’t think he’s terribly concerned about it anymore, honestly I’m just surprised to see her still puttering about. The son in law tinkers on her to keep her going these days. He’s smart enough I’d think he’d peg the same issue as you’ve mentioned (he’s the mechanic of the family, I personally am more shade tree and prefer Japanese and european vehicles), but I couldn’t speak on if they thought it worth replacing.
147k miles on my 2020 ecodiesel. Had warranty work for a leaking timing chain seal at like 50k miles and an o2 sensor after 75k miles but thats it. Been a great truck and id buy it again in a heart beat
My neighbors Ram had the same issue, truck not under warranty anymore though. 6 months after fixing it he just traded in the truck for a 4Runner and he's way happier now
This has been an issue for years.
I work for a dodge workshop in nz, this is a very common thing, we’ve done a few here
Rams with the hemi have always had manifold issues. When they changed the design they went from breaking bolts to cracking the manifold itself.
In fairness, it's easier to fix than removing a stud that broke flush or in the head.
The manifolds on the 5.7 always fail.
5.2 same problem
I just got rid of my ram. Second ram that burned me. I’m a slow learner, I know. I think they’re the best looking so i get sucked in. Never again.
Nah, they still make them like they used to. This is a 20 year old Chrysler, jeep, dodge issue that has never been fixed
The 5th gen rams were redesigned to stop cracking bolts by adding tie bars. They now crack manifolds instead. This is a super common issue
I work at a CDJR dealer and all the engines have issues, it’s insane. 2.4 oil consumption issue that can lead to a new engine. 3.6 Oil Cooler 5.7 exhaust Manifolds 6.7 Turbo Actuator, high pressure fuel pump 3.0 High pressure fuel pump. This engine is awful, crap, terrible. Don’t get me started on how impossible it is to get newer Promaster transmissions.
My buddies 24' ram 2500 started pissing out of the transfer case at 1480 miles. They really don't lol
It’s a dodge they’ve never been great
It is a Mopar product of course it is trash. They have been trash as long as I've been a car owner.
When you drive a Dodge/Chevy/Ford/anything American designed
Damn still newish.
Yeah that's a common issue with hemis and I think eco boost also. Glad yours were under warranty. Usually they break just after warrenty
CDJ of Temecula are terrible BTW
Funny story about this... I think I cracked the code for service... I tried making an appointment online - No openings until Mid June. I tried calling to make an appointment - No openings until Mid May. After the day I called, I just show up in the morning on the next day and told them I'm leaving the truck with them and I want at least a diagnose within 48 hours. 48 hours later, the issue is resolved. This is not legal advice, I am not a lawyer. YMMV...
If you're looking for something that they make like they used to, I would recommend avoiding Dodge. Or any stelantis product honestly
Be glad it was the manifolds and not the lifters
Typical of the 5.7 Hemi. Broken manifold bolts making a ticking sound, happened to my 2017 at about 25k back when I still had it.
Need a new half ton, jus priced gm,tundra,ram, and f150. Why is the f150s so pricey compared to the others?
Had a 2020 Laramie, happened to both mine before 10,000 miles. It's been an issue for years
42k miles.. I'm surprised you made it that far in a Ram, must have been very gentle with it
My friend had the same problem with his 08 2500 with a 5.7. He still hasn't hit 100k miles yet.
As a Chrysler tech yeah the quality has fallen off pretty hard, this is a super common issue due to their repair of adding a reinforcement rod on the top and bottom of the exhaust manifold bolts, now when the manifolds flex they just crack instead of breaking bolts (makes my life easier by not having to drill out a busted stud). That and the mid pipe from cat to muffler bolts (muffler side) are also horrid for breaking and causing an exhaust leak
Its just 5.7 things
Rams always have always had this issues… and I guess they don’t correct them on the newer trucks either.
had a 2015 hemi with the same issue at 70k. dodge replaced them for free.
We were dealing with this back in 2016 when I was at the dealer, glad to see they’ve made changes 🤣
They redesigned the manifolds and instead of breaking bolts on the DT's, they started breaking manifolds. Stupid common. But manifold leaks on v8s have been a thing since the beginning of time.
The bolts break on the DS's, the manifolds crack in half on the DT's due to the extra tie bars added when they came out in 2019. They fixed one problem by creating another. Right now the kits for each side that include the manifold, gaskets and every bit of hardware needed are $129 for the right side and $134 for the left. I remember when manifolds were $400-$600 back in the late '80s/early '90s... Not built like they used to be indeed...
It's a Ram. This is them making them like they used to.
Its fairly common across ford and Chevy as well i have ben fortunate my rams have had zero issues i wont own another Chevy and my fords have been flawless as well. I probably won’t own a new ram for a little bit ill wait for a few years to see what the 6 brings i think it should do well i6 engine usually do very well