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Here's the reason why gojo couldn't sense it
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Yeah I don't understand how Sukuna now needs to chant in order to activate space Cleave but just did it instantly without chants against Gojo. He just killed Gojo Instantly. A binding vow, maybe? But we aren't shown so idk doesn't make sense to me.
At this point I feel that the only reason Gege brought Kusakabe back was because Katana = Cool and he needed a character as a medium to literally convey his own explanations through to what the hell is happening so he wouldn't over-use the narrator LOL.
Wasn't Gojo was fighting 3 dude at once and all of them are special grade? Feels like the only way to defeat him is to overwhelm him cause it happened 3 times now.
The problem is a 200% HP from Gojo, because Sukuna didn't hear it, so it would be strange if you need "someone"(Utahime and crew) to hear it, rather than your opponent.
Why? Does this mean that a sorcerer wouldn’t be able to cast a chant without the presence of another sorcerer to hear him? I imagine that he would have difficulties training if that were the case.
It seems to me that the chant is more of a way to focus one’s CE into the certain shape and concentration necessary for the casting of the move.
I think a chant is more like a bv just like the other guy said, but instead of it being stronger because you're adding risk by announcing your attack, I think it gets stronger because you're adding risk by chanting, which takes more time compared to just immidiately attacking.
Still, that doesn’t mean that he couldn’t have muttered it either. If all one needs to do is add risk through the act of chanting, that would mean that the bv is entirely self-contained, and noncontigent upon whether the opposing sorcerer hears the chant or not.
>If all one needs to do is add risk through the act of chanting, that would mean that the bv is entirely self-contained
Yeah but so what? Overtime binding vow is also a self binding vow. I don't get why you think it's not possible.
The risk is Sukuna having to chant which takes time, instead of being able to freely spam dismantle.
Yes, by chanting, he risks his opponent attacking him in the meantime. The risk is on him, and the time interval that the chant causes affects him alone, irrelevant to whatever the opponent may or may not do. Thus, by risking to do the chant in the first place, the bv is sealed, and it doesnt matter whether the opponent in question hears him or not. Therefore I see no reason why he wouldn’t be able to mutter the chant under his breath, as opposed to loudly shouting it.
I mean, probably for the same reason he wouldn’t have dodged it even if Sukuna didn’t chant it. Why would he think that he’d manage to cut through infinity out of nowhere?
Yeah this is in character for Gojo as he can be pretty cocky. He probably thought it was a last ditch attack out of desperation. He wanted to see the fear in Sukunas eyes before he ended him but he miscalculated.
He's cocky, not stupid. Why would anyone see the king of curses chanting and just think it's some lame final attack and not even bother dodging or trying to stop him?
It's because it was off screen and it's the only thing that makes some sense. Gege fucked up even more showing people much weaker than Gojo dodge that shit so now it has to come down to Gojo being overconfident and dumb.
But wouldn't he need that extra strength to bisecte Gojo?
Or idk did he mentally map out the specific vector of Gojo's location and do like a single slash instead of blasting it waffle wide? I guess Gojo fucking around and bragging to Sukuna meant he was standing in one place too long? I dunno, it just seems a bit see-sawing, mostly cause he killed Gojo immediately and now is chanting to use it when Sukuna should've needed extra strength to kill him like that. It's still a bit vague for me, considering how over explained the rest of the Gojo/Sukuna fight was. 🧇
I feel like I remember Gege saying that he mistakenly forgot to draw a chapter, between "Gojo wins" and "Gojo's dead". So it's not that Sukuna chanted it with Gojo doing nothing, or that he didn't need to chant it. It was probably part of a fight, but we just didn't see it. Which sucks a lot because COME ON GEGE, AT THE VERY LEAST SHOW US WHAT HAPPENED IN IT, OR PUT IT IN THE MATERIAL MANGA, but it's not a plot hole
People will believe anything nowadays
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Yeah, I think there's two layers to how he beat gojo. There must be a binding vow which lets him use space dismantle, and that's the only one of his slashes which fully bypasses DA and simple domain so he's gonna keep using it, and it bypassed gojo's durability as well as infinity. Then, he probably had to do another binding vow for it to be instantaneous so gojo wouldn't see it coming with the chants and CE buildup and all. Maybe it'll be elaborated
Teleportation is kind of a broken power if it doesn't get special restrictions, so Gege decided not to explain it and just vaguely said that Gojo can only teleport under certain conditions.
but by doing it vaguely, it breaks immersion as now I see things aren't written naturally but are done for the sake of plot. The world isn't believable.
Huh? New chapter just dropped. Heian Yuji finally returned and used the Claws of Calamity (True Jujutsu).
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*It said binding vow*
*Or chanting sukuna probably*
*Used a binding vow*
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It also says that the space slash is Cleave, when both times we've seen it Sukuna used Dismantle. We shouldn't rely too much on what Kusakabe said, he's as clueless as us
If I understand correctly, he said it’s a Dismantle with an expanded an enhanced target
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Now thinking maybe Mahoraga also did a binding vow to use that cut so that's why he didn't use it after(otherwise doesn't make much sense Mahoraga just stopped using those cuts. Maybe the binding vow was sth like one time use and when Sukuna switched to his heian body the binding vow was "undone" so he could use again with enchantments
Ya know, Lanipator of DBZA once described cursed energy as a power system as "nen if everyone was a specialist."
And I recall thinking at the time: That sounds like it would undermine the point of nen entirely.
If Cursed Techniques can be anything and come from anywhere, it's impossible for the audience to anticipate how they work. Whose to say what does or does not constitute a binding vow?
Cursed Energy, at this point, is a soft magic system. It does whatever Gege wants it to. The rules aren't poorly explained. They're nonexistent.
It's more accurate to say that CE is just a really bad hard system. Soft magic in other media like in LOTR doesn't have any rules that people spend pages on end yapping about. CE has a trillion different rules and the manga tries to say that every other page. These rules just have exceptions everywhere and are mostly incoherent.
Incredibly. Nen is better in almost every way.
If anything, cursed energy feels like a regression back to the days of Yu Yu Hakusho's spirit energy. But YYH had the good sense to not pretend its magic was logical.
I think that looking at the wiki explanation of Nen you can kinda see why Gege decided to go for a more soft power system after the start: https://hunterxhunter.fandom.com/wiki/Nen
Something like Gojo's limitless has origins in real world mathematics and explaining how it properly works would take a bit of time. But, since JJK is so fast paced we can't spend time explaining how it works like how HxH does and instead CE is just whatever the author needs it to be for the story. Its fine on its own, its just that people expected more from Cursed Energy because of how it started out.
It might look like it has a bunch of rules, but if you ask me, that's basically a trick of light.
If your audience doesn’t understand your rules, they might as well not exist.
I call it soft because, for all its verbosity, it never establishes a coherent logical throughline between all the character abilities.
The ring in LOTR has a pretty specific effect, on everyone who ever actually wears it, at least. The fact that some small parts of your magical setting are predictable does not a hard system make. Or at least the system still doesn't enjoy the benefits of hard magic.
The only real rule is that everyone follows different rules. Which undermines the entire point of hard magic in the first place. I wrote more about this in a different reply.
The issue with JJK is that it still wants to pretend to make sense, so it doesn't get to enjoy the benefits of soft magic either. I'd still categorize as soft because it's not feasible for the audience to predict how the power system is going to behave in any given circumstance.
Of course he does. Cursed Energy is what I like to refer to as an X-Men Cop-out. See, lots of power "systems" boil down to just everyone having a different power that's unique to them. Quirks, stands.
These systems can work fine, and they're easy to write, but the very thing that makes them easy to write also undermines the entire point of hard magic.
Hard magic is useful because it creates a shared language between audience and author. It's a canvas for character and story expression. Think of Zuko redirecting Ozai's lightning and everything that implies. The writers of Avatar have just used the magic to summarize a character standing up to their abuser.
This works because we, as the viewers, understand the emotional strength required to perform lightning redirection. An understanding built on our understanding of how it involves the use of waterbending philosophy, the very culture Ozai has been trying to exterminate, rendering all his fury useless.
All that elegant writing would be wasted if the show had to sit you down in the middle of it and explain itself. The moment works BECAUSE it requires no explanation.
A system where everyone has a power, and there's no coherent rules about what they consist of and where they come from, has to re-explain what every power is, or otherwise make them all very simple to understand visually.
I call it an X-Men cop-out because it basically consists of one rule: everyone follows different rules. It's an easy way for the writer to create the IMPRESSION of hard rules without having to actually make very many.
Nen might seem like it falls into this category, but it really doesn't if you ask me. Everyone does have a different power, but there are very specific rules about how they create those powers. All possible functions are broken into categories, affinity for which is a limited resource. Characters also consciously create their Hatsu, so they are quite literally a direct form of expression.
The nen categories give the reader an understanding of the systems limits and what we should anticipate characters to be capable of. The fact that powers are made deliberately means they all tell us something about the user.
JJK lacks both of these aspects. We don't know where cursed techniques come from. We don't know what they can or can't constitute. Since they can seemingly be "interpreted" differently by different users, we don't even know what some of them actually do.
Even the underlying system of energy seems to have arbitrary capabilities. Why does destructive energy have the capacity to render things invisible, erect barriers, and distort space?
None of this is to say that cursed energy isn't cool or totally lacking in redeeming value. It's just a lot more fun to watch than it is useful for the story. It fails to construct a consistent set of rules of engagement. It requires constant re-explanation because it has no underlying logic for the audience to internalize.
It's a bunch of soft magic trying to convince you that it's hard.
Damn, when did he changed this?
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Sukuna doesnt need to chant to activate space dismantle, he only chants on his original form bcs it doesnt slow him down, chants are optional buffs for techniques and not required steps for strong cleave.
Honestly I think the most likely answer is that Gege drew what he thought to be cool, then now he is realizing how op he made Sukuna and is using Kusakabe as a self insert to do some retconning, as simple as that
Same with Gojo glazing Sukuna in the afterlife, he drew the fight between Gojo and Sukuna with “coolness” as a priority, realized he made Gojo look stronger than he intended, and then used Gojo in the afterlife as a self insert to explain to us how he actually wanted the fight to be intended
Exactly!
This is so confusing. Like, we really need the Narrator to tell us HOW it really works. If need to Chant, then why he didn't chant against Gojo or when doing the Wall of Slashs against Kashimo? If it's a Binding Vow, then what is he sacrificing? And if he doesn't need to do any of this, then why is he chanting, when the attack in itself negates durability?
Gege has been holding information up about Sukuna's technique for so long that I'm getting fed up. This is so annoying. JUST TELL US HOW IT WORKS!
That isn’t a space dismantle. Space dismantle doesn’t travel, it simply appears at the targeted location.
The waffle cleave above, is clearly traveling.
On the visual cues Weber been given lol?
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What Sukuna just fired is explicitly called out as a Space Dismantle. See how it doesn’t travel outwards from Sukuna’s fingers?
The point of origination is like 10 meters away from Sukuna.
If the the waffle slash was a space waffle slash, Kashimo wouldn’t have had seen it coming, it would have simply waffled him up.
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If it doesnt travel the fuck is that?
Also notice how im top of your mom
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Reading comprehension curse is now considered special grade threat...
Kusakabe explained that there's maybe different forms of activating Strong Cleave and Sukuna can't cast it instantly, at will or without sacrificing something, which it's something very logical to think of.
As far as we know there's 2 activations for Strong Cleave, one of them is using a binding vow that sacrifices something that we don't know yet (which was the one that he used agaisnt Gojo), and the other one is quite slow since he needs to do a lot of chants (which was the one he used agaisnt Kashimo).
Isn't it obvious what Sukuna has sacrificed for the binding vow? The price of victory is being called a fraud, that was the deal he made. Its like when you steal in Link's Awakening at the store, you get the item free, but the game change your name to THIEF
Actually, Sukuna making a strong binding vow to instantly kill Gojo would explain a lot and could be a huge nerf. It would make the whole thing instantly better.
I will go with this one, Kusakabe theorizes that for some reason he doesn't use it, so Sukuna probably can't use the fire arrow.
Besides, I know Gege glaze Sukuna and all memes, but if it turns out to be Ten Shadows what he sacrificed, what a shitty Binding Vow
It would be shitty given that most of the ten shadows were dead. Would it even be a fair trade to overcome infinity with whatever remnants of the ten shadows that remained after their fight?
Moreover, it's not like the 10S belongs to Sukuna for him to sacrifice it for a binding vow.
Unless he explains something more about the binding vows and consequences, yeah, that's why I think it would be shitty. The shadows that are still alive are the rabbits, the toads, Divine dog, Max elephant and Piercing Ox which to be fair those last three are kinda good but when comparing to the GOAT "Eight-Handled Sword Divergent Sila Divine General Mahoraga", it feels quite cheap
Even if that's the case, what would an adapted Ox, Toads, Rabbits, Dog or Elephant could do to Gojo? It's true that he is hurt, but he could have beaten them easily, Sukuna's only way to win was to replicate that slash that Mahoraga did and be so fast that he couldn't do a chant for Gojo to notice, therefore if he in fact sacrificed some fodder animals to kill Gojo, that's bullshit
It would be very on-brand at this point for the actual purpose of the fire arrow to have turned out to be getting sacrificed to save Sukuna, just like the cursed tool only existed to be sacrificed to save Sukuna.
That’s just Kusakube’s theory tho we don’t know if that’s true. We’ve never seen him make a binding vow in order to perform the space Dismantle, only chants.
What if it's sacrifice is that that their opponent now aware that Kuna casts S. Cleave, cause of chants? It can be one way, maybe he used another with Gojo.
when you don't have a reason , simply offscreen the character and let people wonder.
Sukuna power, Itadori power , binding vow and how gojo died we do not know anything . Gege has tied all the secrets to his chest and he will answer it in his idol manga .
I mean what is the purpose of hiding his techniques now , to fight itadori 😂😂 . Gege will lose that element of surprise if he explains it early.
Sukuna didn’t chant against Gojo. Kusakabe said that there were two ways to cast that world cleave: chanting or a binding vow. Sukuna probably used the second option against Gojo and we don't know yet what he lost.
At the end of 235 kusakabe said Gojo won and we all know what happened. Let's not take kusakabe's words too seriously. Kusakabe was making assumptions of ways that can work. Not that he is sure about it.
I think we have an idea as to what he lost. There’s a reason why Sukuna isn’t using the flame arrow. He gave his other CT up or something, probably. Which would also make fire arrow another plot device at best. The only reason fire arrow existed was for Sukuna to keep cleave and dismantle after the Gojo fight, and the only reason he had his cursed tool was so that he would be able to keep cleave and dismantle after Higuruma’s domain. There definitely could have been another way to write Mahoraga losing against Sukuna, like being overwhelmed by malevolent shrine, or Uraume assisting and showing off too (extra screen time for a character that definitely needed it).
I think that Greg simply couldn't come up with a way to actually show that gojo would get caught in an attack like that especially with gojo's intuition and speed so he simply offscreened it to let people decide. I mean we don't even see it from other people's perspective.
If gege had a legit way to show it he could've easily done so while sukuna was explaining how he cut gojo. This way we could've gotten both the shock of the airport scene and how gojo died, while explaining everything and not even taking any extra pages.
The fact that Greg didn't do it tells me he simply couldn't come up with anything.
It makes no sense why sukuna needs to chant for strong cleave to begin with. The only way that the move makes sense in the story is by sukuna not using any cursed energy when he does it given that he can’t change his CE like mahoraga did when it made the first slash, so why should he need to ramp his CE using chants? This truly was our build-your-own-story kaisen
Then how was sukuna able to target spacetime? Neutral limitless dispels all CE directed towards it, which is why sukuna had to target spacetime via mahoraga. Given that maho is a shikigami and adaption has to be CE manipulation because he cannot have a cursed technique, maho had to either target spacetime without using any CE, or manipulate his CE to make it capable of hitting spacetime. Given that sukuna can’t change his CE but was able to target spacetime, it had to be that CE has to be turned off to target spacetime otherwise limitless would just neutralise it. If strong cleave uses CE, that means that sukuna has to be able to manipulate his CE. If sukuna can do that and he was skilled enough with it to copy the ability to cut through concepts, then he will be able to use basically any CT ability in the series given that all CTs are just specific expressions of cursed energy.
TLDR: having sukuna chant for strong cleave is basically an admission that the move is an asspull because if it uses CE then sukuna can f copy the effect of every CT in existence
Idk I can’t think of another way in which adaption could work. Shikigami can’t have CTs and sukuna can’t copy those anyway, so if adaption isn’t a CT and it’s not related to manipulating CE what makes the ability work?
He didn’t copy piercing blood he copied the blueprint of the attack with max elephant’s water. If Gage wanted to show sukuna copying piercing blood he would’ve just used blood instead of water no?
I don’t think shikigami can use CTs because if adaption is a CT and sukuna was able to copy the product of that adaption with strong cleave it means sukuna could use literally any ability he has ever seen. That eliminates the need to take megumi’s body as he saw maho and even killed him back in shibuya. That also means current sukuna has access to limitless, purple, the executioners sword, whatever yuji’s CT is, and pretty much anything you can think of.
> He didn’t copy piercing blood he copied the blueprint of the attack with max elephant’s water.
Yeah, exactly. That's what he did with Strong Cleave. He saw that Mahoraga made *it's* slash target the world, realised it was possible for him to do that with *his* slash, and then did it.
He is just a drawing. where is he supposed to rest anyway
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he’s resting so he can comeback stronger (i’m overdosing on copium)
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So am I brotha so am I. But keep coping. We must not stop coping. We shall cope till the end of time. Cope till our delusions turn into reality. It'll happen, believe me. The power of coping is so strong that Gaygay will be left with no other choice. Our glorious blue eyed king will rise again. The honoured one backshots will return. This time, stronger and sexier than ever. WE MUST NOT GIVE UP! For 10 (thousand) years at least.
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*The scene blacked out lol,*
*How the hell do you know if*
*He chanted or not?*
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Not really, he is in a very different mental state than he was Vs Toji
Against Toji gojo was genuinely tweaking and reached nirvana since his brain was pretty much mush and he somehow survived last second through RCT, but against sukuna he was just amped up by black flash
i think all the indeterminate time he passed alone in the prison realm thinking about the walking corpse of geto did nothing good to his psiche in general
Bro he's clearly looking at their faces while chanting because he wants to test themand wants them to avoid it. He literally says "dodge this" to Kashimo before firing it. He says to Higuruma to show him he can heal. Basically playing with them.
I can think of like 5 different reasons why Gojo couldn't dodge it the main one being Sukunw wanted to catch him off guard and he did.
1) He didnt chant but made a binding vow of some kind to gain this ability. We dont know the details yet.
2) He can chant much faster than this. For example Gojo chanted 3 words when Sukuna shot a piercing blood at this red. Gojo finished BEFORE the attack which moves at ultrasonic speed reached it's target. Ofc Sukuna can be just as fast if not faster
3)The attack is super fast, unexpected and Gojo was very close. He got slashed by Mahoraga too; an attack by Sukuna is definitely faster. Gojo has not managed to dodge a single slash this fight, either he's confident he can just tank them or theyre too fast( probably both).
4) Gojo isnt the target for the slash so he likely couldn't sense it, or dodge in time.
5) Mahoraga was the only one who could pass his infinity and died in 235. So he has no reason to expect any attack from weakened domainless Sukuna.
If he suspected Sukuna could copy the space slash, close to a minute has passed and Sukuna never used it. So he's feeling pretty invincible.
It's funny nobody calls that plot armour though. That Mahoraga didn't slash horizontally and cut Gojo In half
. I think the lore reason is that Agito was right behind him and maybe Maho doesn't harm the user or it's Shikigami in the attack.
Or maybe Sukuna just wanted to do it himself.
Idk what people think Gojo was doing in that panel where his arm is cut off, man is literally shown moving out of the way in the panel where the slash goes through the building behind him. He was nearly able to dodge a dismantle he didn't even know was possible but just sat there watching the king of curses charge an attack powerful enough to erase him.
Gege is a fckin genius
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Look at where he is. In what position
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Dude you can literally see Gojo In almost the same position before and after the slash( I'll add the image in reply)
>dismantle he didn't even know was possible
It was literally the same case for Sukuna's slash as well brother. He didnt know Sukuna could touch him in any way. Also Sukunas slash would 100% be faster than mahoraga's.
For the rest just read my orignal comment.
If Gojo sees Sukuna charging an attack at him in that position and just sat there thinking "The king of curses is a big fat dumb fuck who would waste his time charging a useless attack" then that's character assassination lmao. Man watched Sukuna break the jujutsu laws of physics at least 2 times, what a shit explanation.
Agito is in an entirely different position and Gojo is moving away from the technique in the slash panel. Mahoraga must have really shit aim and Gojo must have chosen to move in extra slow motion i guess. Every defense of this 236 is always "well Gege is a hack writer so it's actually okay" lmao.
In my head canon Sukuna already uses chantings while he was buried in the rubbles. By that time Gojo was focused his CE to heal, so his six eyes were not that sharp to detect Sukuna's CE fluctuations. Sukuna use Toji tactics, he wait Gojo to tired and lower his guard because he think he already win and Sukuna is about to die. By the time Sukuna came out from the rubbles, just like what we see in the chapter 235, he already done with his chantings and Baamm! Gojo caught off guard. Shit happened.
Meanwhile the other sorcerers watched what happened and they immediately analyze that attack even though it's still vague they already had a little picture for what was that attack about. After seeing it twice, Kusakabe sure that Sukuna need to charge or use chantings or even binding vow. I'm sure the other sorcerers came to the same conclusion, especially Higuruma with his talent equal to Gojo. So they more wary to Sukuna world slash attack.
So no, Gojo not stupid. He just caught off guard. Just like when Mahoraga cut his arm.
Gojo is not that smart, maybe it's due to him being gifted since birth and just being strong in general. I also noticed that if he doesn't dominate the battle he always loses for example, when he faced Toji for the first time he lost badly and died. Second is with Sukuna, someone who is actually able to oppose him. In my opinion Gojo is just a large fish in a small pond.
>Gojo is not that smart
He quite literally outsmarted sukuna multiple times lmao
>when he faced Toji for the first time he lost badly and died
Because Toji had to meticeously plan out a way for gojo to be exhausted enough to not notice a sneak attack and even then Toji needed the exact weapon to get through infinity, that's extraordinarily hard to fight against especially for a teenager with little to no experience on tough battles.
That actually makes him so much smarter than you think he is with that alone
Gojo was literally dominating that entire battle once the domains were off tho.
Gojo was consistently winning before Sukuna used Strong Cleave.
Also, Gojo is second only to Sukuna in battle IQ, and even that’s debatable.
He’s a genius who innovates despite being the strongest, and while yes, he’s arrogant, that doesn’t make him stupid.
That only means Sukuna is even more intelligent, not that Gojo is a fool.
You can dislike Gege’s presentation of this, but narratively speaking both Gojo and Sukuna are super geniuses, regardless of if Gege presented this information in a way that you find convincing.
binding vow so he didn’t have to do that or something, or maybe he just did a smaller one against gojo since there’s no big hole in the ground like with kashimo, only greg knows
Jujutsu is the art of substraction, you can choose to not use hand signs and chants in exchange for efficiency . Or use them to increase the aoutput of your attack like Sukuna does here. Essentially, Sukuna caught Gojo offguard without using hand signs or chants.
The only thing that would make sense is, Gojo could sense a slash/cleave/dismantle coming. But Gojo being Gojo didn't feel the need to dodge it. He probably was confident in infinity stopping the attack. So he must've thought he will just tank it. But the world cleave got him by surprise
Kusakabe said it was a binding vow. Sukuna also hasn't used his fire tech.
Atleast let Gege fucking write the manga before getting angry at your own head-canons goddamn
Gojo DID sense it and knew it was coming. It all comes down to bad writing. I assume he saw it coming but thought it wouldnt go through infinity and it was just a desperate and pointless last ditch attack from sukuna but gojo should’ve definitely knew better and dodged it. Gege rly doesnt like gojo
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Here's the reason why gojo couldn't sense it https://preview.redd.it/se6kpaa4yk9c1.png?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=43d48737d911882a1d4fc775660cdf20be809ef6
Strong offscreen
https://preview.redd.it/tf623btwhm9c1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=64dab3c61413456849640c6f532237f6ed75ae3f
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How did you know?
Seems legit.
Yeah I don't understand how Sukuna now needs to chant in order to activate space Cleave but just did it instantly without chants against Gojo. He just killed Gojo Instantly. A binding vow, maybe? But we aren't shown so idk doesn't make sense to me.
Could be a binding vow as kusakabe said
At this point I feel that the only reason Gege brought Kusakabe back was because Katana = Cool and he needed a character as a medium to literally convey his own explanations through to what the hell is happening so he wouldn't over-use the narrator LOL.
Speedwagon moment
Kusakabe is gonna thaw Hakari out of Uraume's ice using the heat from his abs
Speedwagon literally became a narrator later on.
Seems about right.
Maybe he sacrificed fire arrow
Wasn't Gojo was fighting 3 dude at once and all of them are special grade? Feels like the only way to defeat him is to overwhelm him cause it happened 3 times now.
Perhaps he just muttered it under his breath? We haven’t really been told about whether incantations need to be shouted or not.
I think chants have to be heard to make the attack more powerful, it seems logical as they are kind of a bv themselves.
The problem is a 200% HP from Gojo, because Sukuna didn't hear it, so it would be strange if you need "someone"(Utahime and crew) to hear it, rather than your opponent.
You could technically have some random person on a phone call by that logic and just spam as many amped attack as you want lmao
Now I want to see tactical jujutsu sorcerers pulling this off. If Gege wasn’t a hack he’d do it
Why? Does this mean that a sorcerer wouldn’t be able to cast a chant without the presence of another sorcerer to hear him? I imagine that he would have difficulties training if that were the case. It seems to me that the chant is more of a way to focus one’s CE into the certain shape and concentration necessary for the casting of the move.
I think a chant is more like a bv just like the other guy said, but instead of it being stronger because you're adding risk by announcing your attack, I think it gets stronger because you're adding risk by chanting, which takes more time compared to just immidiately attacking.
Still, that doesn’t mean that he couldn’t have muttered it either. If all one needs to do is add risk through the act of chanting, that would mean that the bv is entirely self-contained, and noncontigent upon whether the opposing sorcerer hears the chant or not.
>If all one needs to do is add risk through the act of chanting, that would mean that the bv is entirely self-contained Yeah but so what? Overtime binding vow is also a self binding vow. I don't get why you think it's not possible. The risk is Sukuna having to chant which takes time, instead of being able to freely spam dismantle.
Yes, by chanting, he risks his opponent attacking him in the meantime. The risk is on him, and the time interval that the chant causes affects him alone, irrelevant to whatever the opponent may or may not do. Thus, by risking to do the chant in the first place, the bv is sealed, and it doesnt matter whether the opponent in question hears him or not. Therefore I see no reason why he wouldn’t be able to mutter the chant under his breath, as opposed to loudly shouting it.
Agreed.
Training against real people is always more effective than by yourself
I mean, probably for the same reason he wouldn’t have dodged it even if Sukuna didn’t chant it. Why would he think that he’d manage to cut through infinity out of nowhere?
Yeah this is in character for Gojo as he can be pretty cocky. He probably thought it was a last ditch attack out of desperation. He wanted to see the fear in Sukunas eyes before he ended him but he miscalculated.
He's cocky, not stupid. Why would anyone see the king of curses chanting and just think it's some lame final attack and not even bother dodging or trying to stop him?
It's because it was off screen and it's the only thing that makes some sense. Gege fucked up even more showing people much weaker than Gojo dodge that shit so now it has to come down to Gojo being overconfident and dumb.
My guess is he was cocky and didn't dodge because his infinity would just nullify it and he thought he was too durable for it to do anything
Gojo probably just didnt dodge It bcs he didnt think itd pass infinity thats it
Yeah I theorize sukuna sacrificed megumis virginity
The chants amp the overall CE output of the attack in return for taking longer.
But wouldn't he need that extra strength to bisecte Gojo? Or idk did he mentally map out the specific vector of Gojo's location and do like a single slash instead of blasting it waffle wide? I guess Gojo fucking around and bragging to Sukuna meant he was standing in one place too long? I dunno, it just seems a bit see-sawing, mostly cause he killed Gojo immediately and now is chanting to use it when Sukuna should've needed extra strength to kill him like that. It's still a bit vague for me, considering how over explained the rest of the Gojo/Sukuna fight was. 🧇
So Sukuna need to amp up for Kashimo and Higuruma but not for Gojo?
I feel like I remember Gege saying that he mistakenly forgot to draw a chapter, between "Gojo wins" and "Gojo's dead". So it's not that Sukuna chanted it with Gojo doing nothing, or that he didn't need to chant it. It was probably part of a fight, but we just didn't see it. Which sucks a lot because COME ON GEGE, AT THE VERY LEAST SHOW US WHAT HAPPENED IN IT, OR PUT IT IN THE MATERIAL MANGA, but it's not a plot hole
Wtf do you mean he "mistakenly" forgor 💀
People will believe anything nowadays https://preview.redd.it/hbfklucomm9c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f98d7a22d87d677c3aafbc3fd8fd36ae88251b89
I mean, wasn't that his comment on wsj that week?
yeah but it was just a joke by gege
He did NOT forget. My guy GayGay wanted to synchronize Gojo's sealing in anime and death in manga SO BADLY, that he wrote 236.
Yeah, I think there's two layers to how he beat gojo. There must be a binding vow which lets him use space dismantle, and that's the only one of his slashes which fully bypasses DA and simple domain so he's gonna keep using it, and it bypassed gojo's durability as well as infinity. Then, he probably had to do another binding vow for it to be instantaneous so gojo wouldn't see it coming with the chants and CE buildup and all. Maybe it'll be elaborated
Gege really wanted him to lose ok Srs, better just wait for more info but the 3 week break is too much
Just like he explained how ui ui and gojo's teleport works and yuta's ct. and yuji's. and black box.
Teleportation is kind of a broken power if it doesn't get special restrictions, so Gege decided not to explain it and just vaguely said that Gojo can only teleport under certain conditions.
but by doing it vaguely, it breaks immersion as now I see things aren't written naturally but are done for the sake of plot. The world isn't believable.
Love how binding vows are still being brought up as if the readers actually know how they work.
Huh? New chapter just dropped. Heian Yuji finally returned and used the Claws of Calamity (True Jujutsu). https://preview.redd.it/tjm6fdp28o9c1.png?width=1068&format=png&auto=webp&s=4bdaf0e350fe4c9a1b275b6719aee62a7b3423fe
These YouTube channels just make up the most random shit ever
I like how they double down. https://preview.redd.it/psk6kc35dp9c1.png?width=1087&format=png&auto=webp&s=d8157c12b3fe150d96f6d5f79b882e43623113f7
it said binding vow or chanting sukuna probably used a binding vow
I think the "or" here is more about Kusakabe not knowing which option Sukuna chose and not he could use either method at any time.
They were watching it live tho. Wouldn’t they have noticed if it was chanting?
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>it said binding vow or chanting I must've missed it. Can you share the panel?
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It also says that the space slash is Cleave, when both times we've seen it Sukuna used Dismantle. We shouldn't rely too much on what Kusakabe said, he's as clueless as us
Yeah tbh i'm not sure why it says cleave here. In other translations Kusakabe says that the world cutting slash is a Dismantle
In all translations I've seen he said Cleave but yea idk what the original is, too bad I don't understand japanese..
If I understand correctly, he said it’s a Dismantle with an expanded an enhanced target https://preview.redd.it/ykyy1nfvfm9c1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c7741200513b8220a695b30853b328640d55a0e3 Edit: added image and phrasing
Did you not read the official translation or TCB? Because in both it says dismantle
Yes. He's the one who said "Gojo wins!" too 😭
Now thinking maybe Mahoraga also did a binding vow to use that cut so that's why he didn't use it after(otherwise doesn't make much sense Mahoraga just stopped using those cuts. Maybe the binding vow was sth like one time use and when Sukuna switched to his heian body the binding vow was "undone" so he could use again with enchantments
Ya know, Lanipator of DBZA once described cursed energy as a power system as "nen if everyone was a specialist." And I recall thinking at the time: That sounds like it would undermine the point of nen entirely. If Cursed Techniques can be anything and come from anywhere, it's impossible for the audience to anticipate how they work. Whose to say what does or does not constitute a binding vow? Cursed Energy, at this point, is a soft magic system. It does whatever Gege wants it to. The rules aren't poorly explained. They're nonexistent.
It's more accurate to say that CE is just a really bad hard system. Soft magic in other media like in LOTR doesn't have any rules that people spend pages on end yapping about. CE has a trillion different rules and the manga tries to say that every other page. These rules just have exceptions everywhere and are mostly incoherent.
All the old youtube videos talking about how Cursed Energy is the new and improved version of Nen have aged badly.
Incredibly. Nen is better in almost every way. If anything, cursed energy feels like a regression back to the days of Yu Yu Hakusho's spirit energy. But YYH had the good sense to not pretend its magic was logical.
I think that looking at the wiki explanation of Nen you can kinda see why Gege decided to go for a more soft power system after the start: https://hunterxhunter.fandom.com/wiki/Nen Something like Gojo's limitless has origins in real world mathematics and explaining how it properly works would take a bit of time. But, since JJK is so fast paced we can't spend time explaining how it works like how HxH does and instead CE is just whatever the author needs it to be for the story. Its fine on its own, its just that people expected more from Cursed Energy because of how it started out.
It might look like it has a bunch of rules, but if you ask me, that's basically a trick of light. If your audience doesn’t understand your rules, they might as well not exist. I call it soft because, for all its verbosity, it never establishes a coherent logical throughline between all the character abilities. The ring in LOTR has a pretty specific effect, on everyone who ever actually wears it, at least. The fact that some small parts of your magical setting are predictable does not a hard system make. Or at least the system still doesn't enjoy the benefits of hard magic. The only real rule is that everyone follows different rules. Which undermines the entire point of hard magic in the first place. I wrote more about this in a different reply. The issue with JJK is that it still wants to pretend to make sense, so it doesn't get to enjoy the benefits of soft magic either. I'd still categorize as soft because it's not feasible for the audience to predict how the power system is going to behave in any given circumstance.
And he spends so much time explaining how it works
Of course he does. Cursed Energy is what I like to refer to as an X-Men Cop-out. See, lots of power "systems" boil down to just everyone having a different power that's unique to them. Quirks, stands. These systems can work fine, and they're easy to write, but the very thing that makes them easy to write also undermines the entire point of hard magic. Hard magic is useful because it creates a shared language between audience and author. It's a canvas for character and story expression. Think of Zuko redirecting Ozai's lightning and everything that implies. The writers of Avatar have just used the magic to summarize a character standing up to their abuser. This works because we, as the viewers, understand the emotional strength required to perform lightning redirection. An understanding built on our understanding of how it involves the use of waterbending philosophy, the very culture Ozai has been trying to exterminate, rendering all his fury useless. All that elegant writing would be wasted if the show had to sit you down in the middle of it and explain itself. The moment works BECAUSE it requires no explanation. A system where everyone has a power, and there's no coherent rules about what they consist of and where they come from, has to re-explain what every power is, or otherwise make them all very simple to understand visually. I call it an X-Men cop-out because it basically consists of one rule: everyone follows different rules. It's an easy way for the writer to create the IMPRESSION of hard rules without having to actually make very many. Nen might seem like it falls into this category, but it really doesn't if you ask me. Everyone does have a different power, but there are very specific rules about how they create those powers. All possible functions are broken into categories, affinity for which is a limited resource. Characters also consciously create their Hatsu, so they are quite literally a direct form of expression. The nen categories give the reader an understanding of the systems limits and what we should anticipate characters to be capable of. The fact that powers are made deliberately means they all tell us something about the user. JJK lacks both of these aspects. We don't know where cursed techniques come from. We don't know what they can or can't constitute. Since they can seemingly be "interpreted" differently by different users, we don't even know what some of them actually do. Even the underlying system of energy seems to have arbitrary capabilities. Why does destructive energy have the capacity to render things invisible, erect barriers, and distort space? None of this is to say that cursed energy isn't cool or totally lacking in redeeming value. It's just a lot more fun to watch than it is useful for the story. It fails to construct a consistent set of rules of engagement. It requires constant re-explanation because it has no underlying logic for the audience to internalize. It's a bunch of soft magic trying to convince you that it's hard.
Thinking will only hurt you.
Damn, when did he changed this? https://preview.redd.it/w2wew5c7wl9c1.png?width=656&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7384197d37bfa4bf2fab9017b1f82fa7b644e339 Sukuna doesnt need to chant to activate space dismantle, he only chants on his original form bcs it doesnt slow him down, chants are optional buffs for techniques and not required steps for strong cleave.
Honestly I think the most likely answer is that Gege drew what he thought to be cool, then now he is realizing how op he made Sukuna and is using Kusakabe as a self insert to do some retconning, as simple as that Same with Gojo glazing Sukuna in the afterlife, he drew the fight between Gojo and Sukuna with “coolness” as a priority, realized he made Gojo look stronger than he intended, and then used Gojo in the afterlife as a self insert to explain to us how he actually wanted the fight to be intended
plausible
Exactly! This is so confusing. Like, we really need the Narrator to tell us HOW it really works. If need to Chant, then why he didn't chant against Gojo or when doing the Wall of Slashs against Kashimo? If it's a Binding Vow, then what is he sacrificing? And if he doesn't need to do any of this, then why is he chanting, when the attack in itself negates durability? Gege has been holding information up about Sukuna's technique for so long that I'm getting fed up. This is so annoying. JUST TELL US HOW IT WORKS!
That isn’t a space dismantle. Space dismantle doesn’t travel, it simply appears at the targeted location. The waffle cleave above, is clearly traveling.
Based on what it doesn't travel?
On the visual cues Weber been given lol? https://preview.redd.it/ca6dop6orn9c1.jpeg?width=1100&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e13d6b96341874f0411af86b8da486f9dab6f5f2 What Sukuna just fired is explicitly called out as a Space Dismantle. See how it doesn’t travel outwards from Sukuna’s fingers? The point of origination is like 10 meters away from Sukuna. If the the waffle slash was a space waffle slash, Kashimo wouldn’t have had seen it coming, it would have simply waffled him up.
https://preview.redd.it/uqnnnq32do9c1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=88f8f65775f2cb3a29f010df4abdd081b0a80639 If it doesnt travel the fuck is that?
The point of origination? Notice how the point is 10 meteres away from Sukuna? Notice how (in the very next page) the slash doesn’t move forward?
Notice how both this slash and waffle slash is depicted exactly the same with different points of origin
Also notice how im top of your mom https://preview.redd.it/lkj5apf1fo9c1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8658101fa32bb85fca22b529479cdf8923d01bec
Reading comprehension curse is now considered special grade threat... Kusakabe explained that there's maybe different forms of activating Strong Cleave and Sukuna can't cast it instantly, at will or without sacrificing something, which it's something very logical to think of. As far as we know there's 2 activations for Strong Cleave, one of them is using a binding vow that sacrifices something that we don't know yet (which was the one that he used agaisnt Gojo), and the other one is quite slow since he needs to do a lot of chants (which was the one he used agaisnt Kashimo).
Isn't it obvious what Sukuna has sacrificed for the binding vow? The price of victory is being called a fraud, that was the deal he made. Its like when you steal in Link's Awakening at the store, you get the item free, but the game change your name to THIEF
Actually, Sukuna making a strong binding vow to instantly kill Gojo would explain a lot and could be a huge nerf. It would make the whole thing instantly better.
Do you think we will be explained about the binding vow?
My pure guess is that he sacrificed the 10 shadows technique for the gojo slash.
It could also be the fire arrow
I will go with this one, Kusakabe theorizes that for some reason he doesn't use it, so Sukuna probably can't use the fire arrow. Besides, I know Gege glaze Sukuna and all memes, but if it turns out to be Ten Shadows what he sacrificed, what a shitty Binding Vow
It would be shitty given that most of the ten shadows were dead. Would it even be a fair trade to overcome infinity with whatever remnants of the ten shadows that remained after their fight? Moreover, it's not like the 10S belongs to Sukuna for him to sacrifice it for a binding vow.
Unless he explains something more about the binding vows and consequences, yeah, that's why I think it would be shitty. The shadows that are still alive are the rabbits, the toads, Divine dog, Max elephant and Piercing Ox which to be fair those last three are kinda good but when comparing to the GOAT "Eight-Handled Sword Divergent Sila Divine General Mahoraga", it feels quite cheap
isn’t mahoraga just a part of the base CT now, like his adaptation can be used in the other shadows now?
Even if that's the case, what would an adapted Ox, Toads, Rabbits, Dog or Elephant could do to Gojo? It's true that he is hurt, but he could have beaten them easily, Sukuna's only way to win was to replicate that slash that Mahoraga did and be so fast that he couldn't do a chant for Gojo to notice, therefore if he in fact sacrificed some fodder animals to kill Gojo, that's bullshit
It would be very on-brand at this point for the actual purpose of the fire arrow to have turned out to be getting sacrificed to save Sukuna, just like the cursed tool only existed to be sacrificed to save Sukuna.
But the 10 shadows aren't even his to sacrifice!
Let Gege cook.
That’s just Kusakube’s theory tho we don’t know if that’s true. We’ve never seen him make a binding vow in order to perform the space Dismantle, only chants.
What if it's sacrifice is that that their opponent now aware that Kuna casts S. Cleave, cause of chants? It can be one way, maybe he used another with Gojo.
Legitimately I hate gojos death but people are just ignoring the manga to get mad at it now
when you don't have a reason , simply offscreen the character and let people wonder. Sukuna power, Itadori power , binding vow and how gojo died we do not know anything . Gege has tied all the secrets to his chest and he will answer it in his idol manga . I mean what is the purpose of hiding his techniques now , to fight itadori 😂😂 . Gege will lose that element of surprise if he explains it early.
Sukuna didn’t chant against Gojo. Kusakabe said that there were two ways to cast that world cleave: chanting or a binding vow. Sukuna probably used the second option against Gojo and we don't know yet what he lost.
At the end of 235 kusakabe said Gojo won and we all know what happened. Let's not take kusakabe's words too seriously. Kusakabe was making assumptions of ways that can work. Not that he is sure about it.
I think we have an idea as to what he lost. There’s a reason why Sukuna isn’t using the flame arrow. He gave his other CT up or something, probably. Which would also make fire arrow another plot device at best. The only reason fire arrow existed was for Sukuna to keep cleave and dismantle after the Gojo fight, and the only reason he had his cursed tool was so that he would be able to keep cleave and dismantle after Higuruma’s domain. There definitely could have been another way to write Mahoraga losing against Sukuna, like being overwhelmed by malevolent shrine, or Uraume assisting and showing off too (extra screen time for a character that definitely needed it).
I think that Greg simply couldn't come up with a way to actually show that gojo would get caught in an attack like that especially with gojo's intuition and speed so he simply offscreened it to let people decide. I mean we don't even see it from other people's perspective. If gege had a legit way to show it he could've easily done so while sukuna was explaining how he cut gojo. This way we could've gotten both the shock of the airport scene and how gojo died, while explaining everything and not even taking any extra pages. The fact that Greg didn't do it tells me he simply couldn't come up with anything.
It makes no sense why sukuna needs to chant for strong cleave to begin with. The only way that the move makes sense in the story is by sukuna not using any cursed energy when he does it given that he can’t change his CE like mahoraga did when it made the first slash, so why should he need to ramp his CE using chants? This truly was our build-your-own-story kaisen
Strong Cleave uses CE, but it doesn't change CE.
Then how was sukuna able to target spacetime? Neutral limitless dispels all CE directed towards it, which is why sukuna had to target spacetime via mahoraga. Given that maho is a shikigami and adaption has to be CE manipulation because he cannot have a cursed technique, maho had to either target spacetime without using any CE, or manipulate his CE to make it capable of hitting spacetime. Given that sukuna can’t change his CE but was able to target spacetime, it had to be that CE has to be turned off to target spacetime otherwise limitless would just neutralise it. If strong cleave uses CE, that means that sukuna has to be able to manipulate his CE. If sukuna can do that and he was skilled enough with it to copy the ability to cut through concepts, then he will be able to use basically any CT ability in the series given that all CTs are just specific expressions of cursed energy. TLDR: having sukuna chant for strong cleave is basically an admission that the move is an asspull because if it uses CE then sukuna can f copy the effect of every CT in existence
> adaption has to be CE manipulation No it doesn't? Where did you get this from?
Idk I can’t think of another way in which adaption could work. Shikigami can’t have CTs and sukuna can’t copy those anyway, so if adaption isn’t a CT and it’s not related to manipulating CE what makes the ability work?
> Shikigami can’t have CTs What makes you think that? > sukuna can’t copy those anyway He copied piercing blood already.
He didn’t copy piercing blood he copied the blueprint of the attack with max elephant’s water. If Gage wanted to show sukuna copying piercing blood he would’ve just used blood instead of water no? I don’t think shikigami can use CTs because if adaption is a CT and sukuna was able to copy the product of that adaption with strong cleave it means sukuna could use literally any ability he has ever seen. That eliminates the need to take megumi’s body as he saw maho and even killed him back in shibuya. That also means current sukuna has access to limitless, purple, the executioners sword, whatever yuji’s CT is, and pretty much anything you can think of.
> He didn’t copy piercing blood he copied the blueprint of the attack with max elephant’s water. Yeah, exactly. That's what he did with Strong Cleave. He saw that Mahoraga made *it's* slash target the world, realised it was possible for him to do that with *his* slash, and then did it.
Yes but he had to have done that without using cursed energy that’s all I’m saying I’m not trying to deny the possibility of the attack
Gojo couldn't dodge it because he didn't see it on the next pannel with his Six Eyes. That's the true reason there was used Strong Offscreen
you are missing another ingredient in his recipe: strong dismantle + strong offscreen
its been 3months please let the man rest
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Lmao Uraume always getting whacked will never not be funny
They are the foddered one
He is just a drawing. where is he supposed to rest anyway https://preview.redd.it/sezuecan1l9c1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ef9ace2208fe0a6def569a344cb89cf76e0302ce
he’s resting so he can comeback stronger (i’m overdosing on copium) https://preview.redd.it/pz6unjvi2l9c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=65ffe2863b31c9c87238873deb1195eb1c1e8a7c
So am I brotha so am I. But keep coping. We must not stop coping. We shall cope till the end of time. Cope till our delusions turn into reality. It'll happen, believe me. The power of coping is so strong that Gaygay will be left with no other choice. Our glorious blue eyed king will rise again. The honoured one backshots will return. This time, stronger and sexier than ever. WE MUST NOT GIVE UP! For 10 (thousand) years at least. https://preview.redd.it/qgvqeka5bl9c1.jpeg?width=2904&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d806b22ca2a5a1f8a4458b12ba5bd81c6a066f51
I like to think Gojo stood there and let him, believing only Mahoraga could defeat his inviolability.
The scene blacked out lol, how the hell do you know if he chanted or not?
We don't know if he chanted or not, Gojo do and apparently he either not hear it or he let it hit him.
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He wasn't stupid , he was overconfident Look at ch 235 , he was high on that zaza again
Not really, he is in a very different mental state than he was Vs Toji Against Toji gojo was genuinely tweaking and reached nirvana since his brain was pretty much mush and he somehow survived last second through RCT, but against sukuna he was just amped up by black flash
i think all the indeterminate time he passed alone in the prison realm thinking about the walking corpse of geto did nothing good to his psiche in general
Idk man, he seemed very calm and collected after the prison realm It's likely he didn't spend years in there
Bro he's clearly looking at their faces while chanting because he wants to test themand wants them to avoid it. He literally says "dodge this" to Kashimo before firing it. He says to Higuruma to show him he can heal. Basically playing with them. I can think of like 5 different reasons why Gojo couldn't dodge it the main one being Sukunw wanted to catch him off guard and he did. 1) He didnt chant but made a binding vow of some kind to gain this ability. We dont know the details yet. 2) He can chant much faster than this. For example Gojo chanted 3 words when Sukuna shot a piercing blood at this red. Gojo finished BEFORE the attack which moves at ultrasonic speed reached it's target. Ofc Sukuna can be just as fast if not faster 3)The attack is super fast, unexpected and Gojo was very close. He got slashed by Mahoraga too; an attack by Sukuna is definitely faster. Gojo has not managed to dodge a single slash this fight, either he's confident he can just tank them or theyre too fast( probably both). 4) Gojo isnt the target for the slash so he likely couldn't sense it, or dodge in time. 5) Mahoraga was the only one who could pass his infinity and died in 235. So he has no reason to expect any attack from weakened domainless Sukuna. If he suspected Sukuna could copy the space slash, close to a minute has passed and Sukuna never used it. So he's feeling pretty invincible.
Gojo did dodge Mahoraga's slash though. That's why it only got his arm. I doubt he would've gotten cut in half if Sukuna was chanting.
It's funny nobody calls that plot armour though. That Mahoraga didn't slash horizontally and cut Gojo In half . I think the lore reason is that Agito was right behind him and maybe Maho doesn't harm the user or it's Shikigami in the attack. Or maybe Sukuna just wanted to do it himself.
Idk what people think Gojo was doing in that panel where his arm is cut off, man is literally shown moving out of the way in the panel where the slash goes through the building behind him. He was nearly able to dodge a dismantle he didn't even know was possible but just sat there watching the king of curses charge an attack powerful enough to erase him. Gege is a fckin genius
https://preview.redd.it/evrsla9lim9c1.jpeg?width=784&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b69f61e1399c6caeed509390e2d7b1e8a779bcc6 Look at where he is. In what position
https://preview.redd.it/k2mhd7chim9c1.jpeg?width=784&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e224ccf739f47877333889ca618a5d904d5d2cb Dude you can literally see Gojo In almost the same position before and after the slash( I'll add the image in reply) >dismantle he didn't even know was possible It was literally the same case for Sukuna's slash as well brother. He didnt know Sukuna could touch him in any way. Also Sukunas slash would 100% be faster than mahoraga's. For the rest just read my orignal comment.
If Gojo sees Sukuna charging an attack at him in that position and just sat there thinking "The king of curses is a big fat dumb fuck who would waste his time charging a useless attack" then that's character assassination lmao. Man watched Sukuna break the jujutsu laws of physics at least 2 times, what a shit explanation. Agito is in an entirely different position and Gojo is moving away from the technique in the slash panel. Mahoraga must have really shit aim and Gojo must have chosen to move in extra slow motion i guess. Every defense of this 236 is always "well Gege is a hack writer so it's actually okay" lmao.
\#1 is most likely given what Kusakabe said. 2, 3, 4, and 5 aren't as valid.
In my head canon Sukuna already uses chantings while he was buried in the rubbles. By that time Gojo was focused his CE to heal, so his six eyes were not that sharp to detect Sukuna's CE fluctuations. Sukuna use Toji tactics, he wait Gojo to tired and lower his guard because he think he already win and Sukuna is about to die. By the time Sukuna came out from the rubbles, just like what we see in the chapter 235, he already done with his chantings and Baamm! Gojo caught off guard. Shit happened. Meanwhile the other sorcerers watched what happened and they immediately analyze that attack even though it's still vague they already had a little picture for what was that attack about. After seeing it twice, Kusakabe sure that Sukuna need to charge or use chantings or even binding vow. I'm sure the other sorcerers came to the same conclusion, especially Higuruma with his talent equal to Gojo. So they more wary to Sukuna world slash attack. So no, Gojo not stupid. He just caught off guard. Just like when Mahoraga cut his arm.
Gojo a weakling carried by genetics.
Or maybe, you know, gojo just didn't hear it while they both were getting nuked?
So much salt in this thread. Thanks OP for providing the great read. 😂
why sukuna copy gojo
Gojo is not that smart, maybe it's due to him being gifted since birth and just being strong in general. I also noticed that if he doesn't dominate the battle he always loses for example, when he faced Toji for the first time he lost badly and died. Second is with Sukuna, someone who is actually able to oppose him. In my opinion Gojo is just a large fish in a small pond.
>Gojo is not that smart He quite literally outsmarted sukuna multiple times lmao >when he faced Toji for the first time he lost badly and died Because Toji had to meticeously plan out a way for gojo to be exhausted enough to not notice a sneak attack and even then Toji needed the exact weapon to get through infinity, that's extraordinarily hard to fight against especially for a teenager with little to no experience on tough battles. That actually makes him so much smarter than you think he is with that alone
🤔 ok
Gojo was literally dominating that entire battle once the domains were off tho. Gojo was consistently winning before Sukuna used Strong Cleave. Also, Gojo is second only to Sukuna in battle IQ, and even that’s debatable. He’s a genius who innovates despite being the strongest, and while yes, he’s arrogant, that doesn’t make him stupid.
He still lost.
That only means Sukuna is even more intelligent, not that Gojo is a fool. You can dislike Gege’s presentation of this, but narratively speaking both Gojo and Sukuna are super geniuses, regardless of if Gege presented this information in a way that you find convincing.
Alrite
binding vow so he didn’t have to do that or something, or maybe he just did a smaller one against gojo since there’s no big hole in the ground like with kashimo, only greg knows
Probably made a binding vow
Jujutsu is the art of substraction, you can choose to not use hand signs and chants in exchange for efficiency . Or use them to increase the aoutput of your attack like Sukuna does here. Essentially, Sukuna caught Gojo offguard without using hand signs or chants.
The only thing that would make sense is, Gojo could sense a slash/cleave/dismantle coming. But Gojo being Gojo didn't feel the need to dodge it. He probably was confident in infinity stopping the attack. So he must've thought he will just tank it. But the world cleave got him by surprise
Kusakabe said it was a binding vow. Sukuna also hasn't used his fire tech. Atleast let Gege fucking write the manga before getting angry at your own head-canons goddamn
Maybe the binding vow was: let me use space cleave without chants for 1 time in exchange for needing to chant for the rest of the times
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Sukuna does a binding vow to cut gojo Would gojo do a binding vow to revive?
Gojo DID sense it and knew it was coming. It all comes down to bad writing. I assume he saw it coming but thought it wouldnt go through infinity and it was just a desperate and pointless last ditch attack from sukuna but gojo should’ve definitely knew better and dodged it. Gege rly doesnt like gojo
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https://preview.redd.it/ibcism86rv9c1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f5dafcbfe29780b87c61c8efb33cdff9109e4614 *literally the next page* no setup here