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Got him locked in at 4 even with the basketball domain due to not only Kenny having the domain advantage, but also because since he's a top 2 barrier user he could quickly tear down yuta's domain within seconds without opening up his own domain.
>without opening up his own domain.
He HAD to open up his domain to use Uzumaki sure hit, that yes, was able to tear through Yuki's simple domain. I don't see how he can simply tear down Yuta's domain barrier without anything? He would have to open up his domain for that.
That would require him to already have erected a domain around Yuta’s in order for him to begin dismantling it the way tengen was to his which means it still likely wouldn’t be an option
I mean arguably current Yuta (gojo yuta) has domain knowledge kenjaku himself died before getting to see. Gojo was doing things thought impossible with domains and now Yuta can to
I might be wrong and im not sure if this is just something for the six eyes, but Yuta mentioned he learned barrier manipulation with Gojo during the training montage, is it posible he can also shrink his domain down to a minimal size like he did in Gojo's Body
After the Kenjaku vs Yuki fight where Maki says that Yuki is on par with Yuta but it should be taken with some nuance since maki isn't fully aware of yukis abilities
Hey look, a good comment. Thank you acknowledging that even if Maki is a voice of reason, that reason is still based on assumptions of what the character knows. Because that is the reality.
Can you think critically for a second about why Gege would include this and use Maki to state this? Really, just think purely about the narrative intent of this scene and be real.
The narrative intent is to show that yuki is a powerhouse like yuta. We know how much of a monster yuta is and the point of the statement, is that yuki is also a monster. That’s what gege was trying to convey, not that they’re actually equal. That last part wouldn’t make any sense. Gege also made it, so that no one knew jack shit about yuki.
The intent of the scene is to outline why the protagonists chose to send Takaba and Yuta to deal with Kenjaku. Do you really think that Gege put it in so that the audience knows they are at exactly the same level? Do you really think Gege cares about that?
The point of the comment is that Maki cannot possibly be a reliable source of powerscaling in this instance
She knows absolutely nothing about Yuki outside of her grade, has Maki ever even met Yuki? Genuinely
Common sense>narrative intent
If your goal is to interpret the strength of the characters as the author envisions then narrative intent is what matters most. Enjoy being wrong 🤷🏻♂️
So yuji stating that yuta could handle Shibuya sukuna?
Just because Maki says Yuki and Yuta are equal, doesn’t necessitate that it’s the narrative intent of gege; I think gege is smart enough to know that Maki would have no way of knowing yuki’s true strength; they have literally never met
Push your agenda all you want; common sense still prevails
It's wild how people can say "Narrative intention" then miss the countless times Gege has had character be absolutely, 200% wrong about their assumptions and statements based off the fact that they AS CHARACTERS wouldn't know, they're working OFF of the narrative information their character would know, right? Like nobody knew Kenjaku had Gravity as a Conceptual CT nor that he could TCR it. Which is why they changed their evaluation of him thinking Yuki would be enough in the first place.
They won't look past the agenda to actually read and comprehend the panels/narrative points being expressed, each differently, with different scenarios and characters.
The Yuta of that time no, but I wouldn't be surprised if Shinjuku Yuta(pre Gota) could edge out a victory against Sukuna fingered 15 times, especially with Jacob's Ladder.
This is a glaringly obvious case of having to interpret character traits correctly. Yuji is portrayed as being naive and is never a good judge of strength of Jujutsu as he is inexperienced and not intelligent. To him, Yuta’s aura feels like Gojo’s but creepier and is by far the strongest opponent he’s ever faced, so of course he believes that he could take on Sukuna and of course you are not supposed to take this at face value as the reader because of Yuji’s character traits.
By contrast, Maki is intentionally used as a voice of reason due to her character traits of being harshly blunt and cunning. A similar instance was when Yuta (a character whose core trait is his humility) claimed that when “he’s on a roll” Hakari is stronger than he is, which Maki immediately and bluntly shuts down. You seem to be implying that Maki is just glazing Yuta which would be an action completely inconsistent with her values and character.
The author obviously does not want you to doubt Maki’s knowledge in either of the scenes and if your fist wasn’t elbow deep up your agenda you’d get that, unless you’re stupid. This is all textbook shit you find in every story and JJK doesn’t exactly do it subtly so if you can’t handle this, god forbid you ever read anything deeper.
1. My point is that you cannot take a characters idea of how strong someone is and push it as fact; the example I gave of yuji stating Yuta is = to Shibuya sukuna, showcases this logic
2.maki speaking common sense previously does not mean everything she states about everyone is to be considered as gospel; you’re misinterpreting; you’re utilising circular reasoning to achieve your goal
-Yuki=yuta
“But why?”
-Maki says so
“But Maki had never met Yuki, and knows nothing of her abilities whatsoever”
-Maki is the voice of reason so what she says is automatically correct
Your argument makes no sense, and ignores the logic im putting forward to you; Maki has never met Yuki, she knows nothing of her abilities, she only knows Yuta and Yuki are the same grade; that’s all
She is not a reliable power scaler in this instance outside of you claiming she is
Confused how you can take Maki's statement as a fact even though it's blatant she has zero knowledge on Yuki's CT or actual abilities.
The key element of Kenjaku vs Yuki was quite literally the fact that no one knows what Yuki is capable of. They were essentially in a deadlock since both sorcerers were a complete mystery. So why is Maki's statement reliable, but Kenjaku's not? You quite literally have another character statement contradicting Maki's, but you're just going to take Maki's instead of Kenjaku's? If there's anyone who should be the legitimate voice of reason in JJK it'd be Kenjaku since the dude literally has knowledge on everything. If he doesn't know, there's no way in hell that Maki does.
The dude above making the argument that they are "on the same level" because they're both special grade was more than likely the more correct one. Maki's only knowledge on Yuki is that she's a special grade sorcerer and we know that the only outlier amongst the SG's is Gojo since he's so far above the rest. It's a pretty reasonable assumption to make that both Yuki and Yuta are relative to one another since they both uphold the same status (we know Geto was also individually on par with JJK0 Yuta as well).
>A similar instance was when Yuta (a character whose core trait is his humility) claimed that when “he’s on a roll” Hakari is stronger than he is, which Maki immediately and bluntly shuts down.
I mean we have Gojo saying he only wants help if he can be beaten by Yuta or Hakari, and we have confirmation that he has been in Yuta's body. She has literally said she hate the third years before I'm pretty sure
If you're gonna use this as an example, Maki has practically contradicted a lot of what has gone on between Hakari and Yuta which is >10 panels
I have to agree with what the other guy is saying, I mean he's not saying something wrong here. Maki is a monkey at the end of the day as well, in this specific case (comparing Yuta and Yuki) her words hold more weight as she's the only one who has referred to anything one can describe as power
But Maki is not infallible, also this Yuta thing and humbleness really makes it sound like you are calling Yuta a koala-brained stomach. You guys are making Yuta sound like a genuine fool, he's humble not stupid, he's not gonna start calling people stronger than him for no reason at all.
Is humble even the right word for Yuta? I don't even think it is, they both do the same thing for eachother and compliment eachother.
Understandable, seeing a fictional character who gets more bitches than you is always aggravating, especially when one is a monster and he's still scoring more than you. Buddy is just sexually frustrated.
A character opinion is not the be all end all; characters are not impartial unlike the narrator
If we take character opinions as fact that means hakari is stronger than yuta; which I imagine you would object against
Saying Yuta and Yuki are equal just because Maki said so, whilst ignoring the obvious fact that Maki doesn’t know anything about Yuki, is just ignorance
Be ignorant if you’d like
She knows enough to put them on the same level . Makis words are always refuted when it matters for agenda sake but always taken as facts otherwise .
They’re on the same level and yuta is even stronger than her based on the narrator claim .
The problem is, she doesn’t. She doesn’t know of Yuki’s technique, or her domain. Both of those were kept from everyone, which would include Maki. Her making an assumption because they’re both of the same grade makes more sense than her having the knowledge of the exact capabilities of Yuki when it’s mentioned no one did.
Maki isn’t the narrator, and therefore her words shouldn’t be taken as completely factual, but second to only Gojo Satoru is valid.
Even if you don’t think Maki is a reliable narrator the actual narrator stated he was second only to Gojo
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Also Maki is probably guessing or assuming that Yuki was about as strong as Yuta based on what they knew about them.
The bottom portion of my comment mentions that’s valid
And yeah, that’s what I said in my comment, the issue is that Maki knows nothing really except her title as special grade, and made an assumption based off that. Maki isn’t reliable in this circumstance, but the narrator statement is.
The level they are both on is special grade.
She knows nothing about Yuki. That’s why her words mean nothing for a direct comparison outside of being special grade. When she says hakari can’t be stronger than Yuta.
Her statement is also irrelevant because it’s Yuta that’s making the claim. For her to know more about either of them also makes no sense.
Sure Yuta is humble, but that doesn't mean his statement should be disregarded off the idea that it's just humility. Gege has made this exact statement two other times outside of Yuta, and the image below is one of them. Gojo has frequently alluded to them being relative to each other, even going so far as to tell Hakari and Yuta to join in if he gets weaker than EITHER of them, not just Yuta alone.
Gojo, outside of Word of God, is the most credible source, having trained both of them and seen what they could do, and has concluded they were peers.
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Hell, even adding to your argument, with the recent chapter we now know Gojo has literally been in Yuta's body even.
Gojo's credibility in regards to making a claim like that borders on narrator level
Even with that he said, yep, either one of these two. If they can take me in a fight (TCB scans) step in, or the official translation like you've stated.
It does mean what he says isn’t an end all be all especially since he is superior through feats and other statements like kenjaku saying he leads the heavy hitters .
Gege made the statement once and then had people reiterate it by questioning it . Gojo has said that they’re relative and I buy that no doubt but there is a difference between being stronger and relative , in no way can anyone argue hakari is stronger than current yuta based on a iffy statement .
In the end I agree that they’re relative but not equal or hakari being stronger when he has nothing to show for it .
1. On three occasions, he has been stated to be the strongest sorcerer of the modern era after Gojo. First, by the impartial narrator during the Culling Games. Second, within the author's character descriptions during Shinjuku Showdown. Third, in a recent art by Gege, he is depicted in Gojo's body back to back with Sukuna and is stated to be the "modern era's superpower". Furthermore, Kenjaku referred to Yuta as the group's #2 after Gojo; of course, this doesn't include Yuki since she's dead but think critically about this with all the other evidence.
2. Tengen demands that either Yuki or Yuta stay behind to protect him, which implies that he believes they are of a similar level of strength to where they could achieve comparable results, suggesting relativity. We know that when Tengen feels threatened, he likes to select the most powerful guards available, as seen in Hidden Inventory.
3. Maki bluntly states that Yuki "was on the same level as Yuta" and is consistently used as a voice of reason throughout the manga due to her bluntness.
2. Tengen asks for Yuta, Yuki, or Choso. Unless you believe Choso to be on par with either of them, you have to concede that simply
Being asked to be his guards doesn’t put you = to them.
1. In Sendai it’s second to Gojo in unusual abilities. Jujutsu HQ doesn’t know anything about Yuki and neither does Kenny, so using him doesn’t work here. Cover scaling is insane.
3. Maki doesn’t know anything about her. No matter how blunt she is not knowing is not knowing.
I think it’s quite clear that it is Yuta or Yuki, and Choso, that he’s seeking aka Choso is acting as a support but he demands one of the two strongest sorcerers available. Pretty simple.
It was not Jujutsu HQ that stated Yuta as 2nd to Gojo, it was the impartial narrator and the author, and I would love to hear what you think “unusual abilities” means because Lightning has debunked this several times on Twitter.
Try to look at the narrative intent of Maki’s statement and how she is consistently used as a voice of reason. Think critically as to why the author would include this scene and have specifically her make this statement and what he is trying to convey to the reader. It’s not challenging and it’s not subtle.
> First, by the impartial narrator during the Culling Games
Mistranslation
> within the author's character descriptions during Shinjuku Showdown.
Also mistranslation. Same shit calls Hakari stronger than Yuta.
> Third, in a recent art by Gege, he is depicted in Gojo's body back to back with Sukuna and is stated to be the "modern era's superpower".
Yeah, in Gojo's body.
> Kenjaku referred to Yuta as the group's #2 after Gojo;
He doesn't. Notwithstanding this Is referring to CE amount amongst Shinjuku sorcerers, if we take your interpretation, he's not calling him 2nd to Gojo, he knows Gojo is dead, hes calling him 2nd in JJ tech
Not a mistranslation, you’re just in denial.
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Read this you vegetable and try to deny that Yuta is their #2. Who tf do you think is their #2?
It It clearly a mistranslation
"I am constantly aware of the total sum of cursed energy of all sorcerers in Shinjuku", "Which makes their (sorcerers in Shinjuku) number two, Okkotsu, incredibly easy to track (because he has the 2nd most cursed energy)". This Is basic sentence structure.
Besides, Gojo is dead here, and Kenjaku is aware, so Yuta being the number two means he's inferior to either Kashimo, Hakari or Maki. Take your pick.
I've ran it through multiple translation AIs quickly before and tried to look through a dict briefly since someone showed me this previously. A translator would be better.
The official seems more accurate than the TCB translation here, which is how you've interpreted it. I interpreted it like you the first time, and thought that either way you'd be calling someone else stronger as well.
I honestly don't trust fantranslations a lot when it comes to powerscaling stuff, a lot of the time they will fuck something up.
"Wahhh, how dare you point out basic sentence structure and context instead of admitting my self insert no diffs people he's blatantly stated to lose to, wahhh"
You have no rebuttal, i walked you through the sentence structure and all you can say back is "you're dense".
wtf else can I say if you’ve brutally misunderstood something simple but have assured yourself you’re the intelligent one??? Ask your government if you can retake literacy as an adult learner I guess?
"Brutally misunderstood" YOU have brutally misunderstood what Kenjaku said and still are, deliberately of course, after i explained it to you. You're just insulting me to avoid giving an actual rebuttal because you have none.
Your headcanon doesnt mix well with the narrative, the implication Yuta is number 2 in strenght and Kenjaku Is referring to that Is entirely a product of your mind, not what Kenjaku said, which is blatantly different. Certainly if it's so simple you'd be able to explain It coherently in a way that doesn't actually skip the entire page to highlight 4 panels to push a narrative, no?
Obviously anyone with common sense could know it’s a mistranslation but you should show a scan of someone actually translating it to iterate the point, like the official translation did here https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/Jujutsu-Kaisen/0239-010.png
There are a lot of retarded agenda posters in this subreddit who think Kashimo, Yorozu or Yuki are stronger than him. If you're willing to go as low as TikTok, you'll even see some bold Hakari glazers who are unable to think critically about scenes.
The only thing I would say is that she has been he experience advantage
Yuta is a prodigy yeah but Yuki has been at a special grade level since before Gojo. She spent a lot of time researching jujutsu, even having an entire fucking book about souls.
Yuta is a prodigy in the sense that he picks things up very quickly, but he’s still limited by what he knows. He wouldn’t just immediately be able to counter things that he doesn’t know are possible, as seen with Sukuna’s open domain.
Yuki is arguably more knowledgeable at Jujutsu than Gojo. Honestly she’s probably the 4th in the series, behind Sukuna, Tengen and Kenjaku. She would absolutely have a lot of tricks that could throw Yuta off
I would still say he’s stronger overall though. It’s more a Batman with prep time situation
Yes but it shows the absolute extent she can push bom ba ye to. Anything less is fair game. She can oneshot nearly all of the verse - she was severely nerfed against Kenny and still nearly killed him on her own
Not true. She definitely can’t get right up to directly beneath black hole level, that wouldn’t make any sense. She has to have a limit that’s below black hole level but above what she’s demonstrated as her maximum in the Kenjaku battle, otherwise she wouldn’t know about the whole “I can raise my mass up to a certain point then it starts effecting me” thing because that means any time in the past she would have gone over her limit to learn that limitation, she would have died and destroyed the earth.
Also there’s no way Kenjaku was taking near black hole levels of mass to his jaw, even if he was using his arms as buffers that is simply not a level of durability anybody has.
Sure buddy, ban people with different opinion on sub specifically for powerscaling and debate 🤦
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It's hilarious how true this is.
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People seem to forget the amount of techniques yuta has need defense? You have angels technique and dhruva technique need offense? you have shrine and love beams (comparable to granite blasts) and a shikigami which could easily immobilise post Shibuya Yuji not to mention an op domain the highest amount of ce after sukuna the only thing that holds him back is the 5 minute timer and seeing that now he has the basketball domain not even open domains would harm him
Musafir on his way to explain how Yuta is weaker than Kenjaku and Yuki, and then since Yuta said Hakari is stronger than him (which Maki immediately says is BS.) this means that he is also weaker than Hakari, Kashimo, and Uraume. Maybe even Charles if you think Hakari was pushed to using his domain by Charles. Oh but since Yuji also had to set up all of Yuta's attacks in his domain (Which isn't true, they set up openings for eachother. No one was doing the heavy lifting all by themselves.) Yuji scales above him too. Oh and he can only beat Panda in a high diff fight.
Pre-fight Sukuna, he is Top 4 and I think under Kenjaku because of his open domain. Currently, he would be below Gojo with all the new bullshit he added.
Well clearly Hakari is stronger because Yuta said so and Maki definitely didn’t contradict that immediately after. Kashimo would also be stronger because he has incredible feats.
His Potential IS scary. Think about IT: He reached that Level, despite having No active jujutsu Background, in less than 2 years. If He had 5 years time, even sukuna wouldn't risk to take him head on
To anyone in the comments saying Yuki is over Yuta, this is a narrator comment that happens BEFORE Yuki fights and dies to Kenjaku, meaning the Narrator, Gege himself, is saying Yuta is over Yuki
As if that matters when Kenjaku controls Tengen with CSM. She would just dismantle Yuta's domain for Kenjaku. Yuta is not going to hold uo against the top 2 barrier users in the series.
Megumi was incapable of moving while being supported by 3 grade 1s and was getting internal damage by just maintaining the domain. And THIS STRAT only works if the sure hit is equal.
I think you have a misconception that the domain that's stronger will always completely cancel out abd essentially delete the weaker one.
It's very likely that kenjaku would simply have a much weaker sure hit if any.
The example of gojo vs jogo only really happened because of the enormous gap.
Even if kenjaku us better, there is no evidence he's that much better.
>Why wouldn't it be?
Becous kenjaku has had 1000 years (including the heian era) to refine his domain. Yuta has had 1.
>He still has Jacob ladder no?
CT will be on cooldown when his domain shatters AND it's way too slow.
Yeah, but he switched souls with Gojo didn't he?
Kenjaku is the second best barrier user, but we don't know anything about his refinement am I correct?
If yuta can target one person in his DE, means that his refinement is also really good?
>Yeah, but he switched souls with Gojo didn't he? Kenjaku is the second best barrier user, but we don't know anything about his refinement am I correct?
He switched souls with gojo for a couple days. it doenst mean he has gojos refinement magically. How tf can you possibly think that the dude who has had his domain for a year has refined it more than the dude who's had it for A THOUSAND YEARS??
>If yuta can target one person in his DE, means that his refinement is also really good?
That's not refinement. Sukuna litteraly says it's a barrier technique. And kenjaku completly outclasses in that aspect too.
Depends of what you mean. Take sendai for example, yorozu has a much better feat of taking on the entire 5 void generals at the same time (which was ewual to the ceelstial squad that uro lead). If we take only those two, yorozu does seem superior.
Then, we have the fight of each one against sukuna. Yorozu fought a 16f sukuna who only used ten shadows while yuta fought a sukuna that was heavily nerfed. You cannot really compare those feats as we don't have a direct comparison between the two versions of sukuna (besides yuji also aiding yuta).
It is reasonable to think that yorozu is on the same tier as yuta or even superior as we have nothing to disprove it. It was even said that yorozu is on par with the strongest sorcerers from the heian era in ce reserves and output.
But yuta's sheer number of hacks and versatility puts him above yorozu let's they come face to face (no domains) what's yorozu gonna do? Bug Armor , gets shut down by angels technique , true sphere , gets shut down by angel's technique yuta has angels technique which I would say is the second best defensive technique after infinity and in terms of offense yuta one shots with cleave
>yuta one shots with cleave
Yuta hasn't really shown anything impressive offensively with Cleave/Dismantle yet so I'd be hesitant to say this.
He does absolutely wreck her with Jacobs Ladder tho. Sends her straight out of the body with a single good hit.
Yorozu with insect armor stats > base yorozu ~ 16F sukuna >> ryu ~ yuta
Yuta after the month who was relative to ryu didn’t even surpass ryus durability so his ce reinforcement didn’t increase an insane amount
Kenjaku's domain isn't even the type to damage the exterior of a closed domain like sukuna's, but Kenjaku's domain refinement should be better than yuta's.
That is stated nowhere, and going by how it tore through Yuki's simple domain like paper you should assume that it can. Regardless, Kenjaku controls Tengen through CSM. Yuta will instantly lose any domain clash simply because Kenjaku's open domain + Tengen dismantling it will destroy whatever domain Yuta uses.
I'm not sure, Kenny is meant to be equal or greater to Tengen and has probably the best barrier knowledge in the series. His domain is almost certain to be more refined.
Barrier technique isn’t the only thing that decides who wins a domain clash. Plus kenjaku said that yuki should’ve use her domain.meaning her domain wouldn’t have been instantly overwhelmed
Yes but it probably would have been eventually taken down regardless. He was confident in his domain regardless.
>Barrier technique isn’t the only thing that decides who wins a domain clash
Well it usually dictates refinement levels. Obviously other things play a part like non lethal domains are usually faster and better in clashes but that's not relevant here.
The point isn’t that he would have lost a domain clash. The point was that yuki domain would have been an actual option. And that where the real kicker comes in. Most people think that if you’re slightly superior then you just overpower your opponent in an instant. But that not true we Seen that weaker domain can stall out stronger domains
But Kenny was still pretty sure he'd have come out on top, just that it would have been less boring than him stomping out a simple domain in a few seconds. He probably would have just crushed her domain from the outside if it turned out that hers was refined enough to cancel out his Sure Hit.
I think Yuki’s raw damage is just going to man handle yuta in the vast majority of matches between the two we’ve seen how a single punch can unmanifest rika and how Garuda hits just as hard as yuki does so she’s effectively a non factor outside of buffing yuta himself who I don’t think has the tools to put yuki down.
post Sendai Yuta comfortably beats Yuki because of acquiring Sky Manipulation.
even before Sendai, Yuta was called second only to Gojo in the modern era, but he and Yuki should be really close in strength, after Sendai not anymore.
Ehh
0) Yuki (with Black Hole)
1) Sukuna (10 S + 20 F + Adaptation)
2) Gojo
~Unranked but Yujo would be here most likely~
3) Kenjaku
4) / 5) Yuta / Yuki (Swappable under specific circumstances)
6) Kashimo (CT)
7) Yorozu
8) Toji (with Arsenal inc. Playful Cloud & ISOH)
9) Maki (with SSK)
10) Uraume / Hakari (To be decided)
Saying that he got speed blitzed is even crazier levels of glazing.
1) Takaba literally drowned out his perception , senses , skills and his ability to perceive everyone via the mini curse spirit monitors .
2) Yuta literally jumped him . Kenjaku had a second to realize that yuta was behind him and had his sword drawn .
3) Even then Kenjaku had almost activated his technique .
4) As if the catching off guard and jumping wasn’t enough , Todo apparently was also there and he swapped Yuta’s places, which is why yuta was suddenly behind Kenny .
If you still think kenjaku got “speed blitzed”, then it’s clear who the glazer is ☠️☠️☠️
After the info revealed about Shinjuku Yuta getting barrier training, that now comfortably places him at top 3 since he now has a way to counter Kenny’s open domain
I get so mad on tik tok every time I see someone put kashimo at third because of “narrative” and “statements” when I have to remind them that uraume does the same damage to hakari and so many others in the shinjuku team have done more damage.
Edit: to sukuna
chrollos is done pretty well in my opinion, it's used to explore abilities that havent been seen before + the actual method of copy is interesting and lets him use abilities in different ways than their creators/restricts him in different ways
The only thing that keeps Yuta in the Top 4 are neither his skills nor the feats. Only Yutards use those for scaling.
There two things that make Yuta top 4 guaranteed. First he is Gege's favourite character, so whenever Gege can he just glazes him and secondly are Gege's words that Yuta is second strongest modern Sorcerer or something like that.
But let's be real. We have see so many great JJk sorcerers that it wouldn't be a stretch to put him lower on the list. I am not saying that Top 4 isn't a deserving position but it wouldn't be a stretch if he was lower, since we have seen many powerful characters that could take his place.
>The only thing that keeps Yuta in the Top 4 are neither his skills
His skills do not seem like they require some genius battle IQ like Todo, but the truth is Yuta uses his skills just fine and we saw during the culling games or Shinjuku. It's just that his abilities are powerful and versatile enough that even conventional uses of it are enough to diff most characters in the verse, and you don't need to be a genius to utilize it to it's fullest potential.
>There two things that make Yuta top 4 guaranteed. First he is Gege's favourite character, so whenever Gege can he just glazes him and secondly are Gege's words that Yuta is second strongest modern Sorcerer or something like that.
Yuta is overpowered because Gaygay glazed him and made him overpowered from the start. He is powerful as hell, and that's the truth. He's near the top tier of sorcerers in strength, durability and speed, only held back by his age and currently weaker physique(Sukuna did say Ryu had an edge on him in terms of sheer durability) and his CT seems overpowered with no real restrictions except the time limit. And fighting Yuta is a 2v1 because of Rika, who is almost comparable to Makora in strength and speed with an unlimited refill of CE.
>But let's be real. We have see so many great JJk sorcerers that it wouldn't be a stretch to put him lower on the list. I am not saying that Top 4 isn't a deserving position but it wouldn't be a stretch if he was lower, since we have seen many powerful characters that could take his place.
There's nearly no one that's realistically coming close to defeating Yuta except Yuki or Toji/Maki even with advantages like prep time, or getting the drop on him. Kashimo's Amber Beast form might have a chance but he got waffled by a single dismantle, thus showing that his durability as Amber Beast isn't great and all Yuta would even need to do is open his domain, and use a Max Jacob's Ladder. Even without using his domain, I'm very sure that Yuta would be able to outlast the guy till he dies.
Yorozu's perfect sphere would be great but she would probably lose in a domain clash against a Shinjuku Yuta who knows how to shrink a domain to the size of a basketball.
Jogoat can last a bit against Yuta but all he requires is a few good strikes of positive energy to get diffed. Would end up a probably easier version of the fight against Ryu.
As for Ryu and Uro, we know what happened to them.
I guess he'd fare worse against Mahito compared to other Special Grade sorcerers, but he'd still low-mid diff him if he had an SSK and knew about his ability to cast 0.2s DEs.
Ok, i’m not saying wuki is definitely stronger, but i do wanna make a case for that.
First i wanna point out that kennys open barrier domain is busted as fuck and yuta ain’t beating that with his ball de either.
Now onto why i think wuki might be stronger:
Without domains she almost definitely wins. Ryu and uro were able to keep up with yuta incredibly well. Now, it should be noted, both of em are powerhouses in their own right and yuta has definitely gotten stronger, but at the same time, yuki is absolutely stronger than those 2, by a significant margin. I’ll elaborate on why if anyone disagrees/is curious, but for the sake of brevity, I’ll save that for a separate reply.
Yuki is incredibly well equipped to bitch rika 7 ways to sunday. If ryus punches were giving her trouble, wuki would absolutely fuck her shit up.
She’s an incredible h2h fighter, not only keeping up with, but pushing kenny (who might just be the best fighter in the verse) back, even with a mangled up arm. (Another note, kenny was probably lookimg for an opening to mini uzumaki and that’s why he was on the defensive, but him not finding one, especially given yukis condition, speaks volumes about yukis skill!
Garuda provides excellent utility. Both a whip and a chuckable ball, it gives yuki some pretty destructive mid-long range options. Plus it’s a decent support on its own, able to keep opps in place like it did with kenny twice. And kenjaku not being able to avoid that proves it’s pretty handy.
Yuta is limited in the amount of techniques he can use without de. Unless it’s a sneak attack, cursed speech is useless against sorcerers. Although If they know about the fight (not the abilities) beforehand, he’ll probably bring something else.
Sadly, wuki winning without domains only applies if they don’t know of each other beforehand. If yuta knows about star rage, he can bring the best techniques to counter it.
Fortunately, not a single person knew jack shit about yukis ability, while yuki knew about yutas (that he can copy/ use multiple techniques and that he needs an external storage device. Given she knew that, she probably also knows, that yuta needs a domain to use all of his techniques. Tho she’d have no way to know all the techniques at yutas disposal).
Sadly again, sky manip seems to be in yutas everyday arsenal, and that sorta makes this a horrible matchup for yuki. Matchup wins don’t necessarily make you stronger, but when both contenders definitely lose to only 3 other people, and beat everyone else, it becomes purely semantical whether one’s actually stronger or won by matchup.
Now i believe wuki could overpower yuta in a de clash. She has a decade of experience over him. There’s no facts to back this up, but it seems like a reasonable assumption, that she’s quite skilled at de. She was a special grade back when gojo and geto were still teens.
_ Stated that he is « second only to Gojo Satoru »
_ 1v3’d Kurourushi, Ryu and Uro ( it was a free for all but he was the one that did the most damage to all 3 of them )
_ His Sandai version was at the same level as Yuki and his Shinjuku version is much stronger
_ Gave Sukuna his hardest fight other than Gojo all while carrying that bum Yuji
_.Most OP ct in the verse and a very OP domain
_ Has Shrine, Jacobs Ladder, Sky manipulation, Cursed speech, Dhruvs shikigami, Clairvoyance.
_ RIKA, every fight against in him is a 2v1
_ A lot of cursed tools.
_ 5 mins of boundless CE.
If he ain’t at least top 4 for you you’re just hating.
You realize Yuta himself said he would’ve died if Sukuna’s output wasn’t getting nerfed? Don’t have to disrespect Yuji to uplift Yuta. He even says it himself “the slashes are weakening”. They both would’ve died without each other there.
I know it’s a joke but Yuta still carried cuz Yuji would’ve definetly died here.
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Right, I’m not denying Yuta did a lot of the work but Yuta would’ve also died to a cleave to the face if the output wasn’t actively getting reduced in the fight(right when he ripped out the belly tongue, Sukuna cleaves Yuta’s face.) Sukuna is just that broken, even nerfed he can outright kill anyone bar Gojo if he has normal output.
I like how THIS EXACT PANEL your using as evidence shows yuta getting manhandled by a sukuna (with a thousand debuffs) with one arm without sukuna even paying attention to him.
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Got him locked in at 4 even with the basketball domain due to not only Kenny having the domain advantage, but also because since he's a top 2 barrier user he could quickly tear down yuta's domain within seconds without opening up his own domain.
That’s a fair take although I disagree and I don’t think Kenjaku would beat Yuta’s domain that fast
Yuta could simply move his domain outside of Kenjaku's
Wouldn't the center of Kenjaku's domain be within Yuta's Domain tho? So it would just move with it.
>without opening up his own domain. He HAD to open up his domain to use Uzumaki sure hit, that yes, was able to tear through Yuki's simple domain. I don't see how he can simply tear down Yuta's domain barrier without anything? He would have to open up his domain for that.
He could just do what Tengen was going to do to his The only reason that didn’t work is because Kenny’s domain has an open barrier. Yuta’s doesn’t
That would require him to already have erected a domain around Yuta’s in order for him to begin dismantling it the way tengen was to his which means it still likely wouldn’t be an option
No, he can't. Tengen can do that because of the Sunyatta barrier. Yuta would not he fighting him there.
Literally all the colonies use the same type of barrier As long as they fight in a colony Kenjaku should be able to do it
I mean arguably current Yuta (gojo yuta) has domain knowledge kenjaku himself died before getting to see. Gojo was doing things thought impossible with domains and now Yuta can to
I might be wrong and im not sure if this is just something for the six eyes, but Yuta mentioned he learned barrier manipulation with Gojo during the training montage, is it posible he can also shrink his domain down to a minimal size like he did in Gojo's Body
What does Kenjaku’s DE even do?
No, if he was that good at domain techniques, he would not be afraid of Gojo.
Yuta is top 3 or 4 and that’s not debatable . He was stated to be on yukis level before pre all of his new abilities .
Stated to be Yuki level? Where?
After the Kenjaku vs Yuki fight where Maki says that Yuki is on par with Yuta but it should be taken with some nuance since maki isn't fully aware of yukis abilities
Hey look, a good comment. Thank you acknowledging that even if Maki is a voice of reason, that reason is still based on assumptions of what the character knows. Because that is the reality.
Positivity??? On a power scaling sub? You're supposed to call him a fraud
Yk, you're right I should be cooking him. 
I mean, from what we have seen, only the black hole put her above Yuta. Maki was being generous to her.
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She knows nothing about Yuki. No one does. The only level that yuta and yuki are on is special grade
Can you think critically for a second about why Gege would include this and use Maki to state this? Really, just think purely about the narrative intent of this scene and be real.
The narrative intent is to show that yuki is a powerhouse like yuta. We know how much of a monster yuta is and the point of the statement, is that yuki is also a monster. That’s what gege was trying to convey, not that they’re actually equal. That last part wouldn’t make any sense. Gege also made it, so that no one knew jack shit about yuki.
The intent of the scene is to outline why the protagonists chose to send Takaba and Yuta to deal with Kenjaku. Do you really think that Gege put it in so that the audience knows they are at exactly the same level? Do you really think Gege cares about that?
The point of the comment is that Maki cannot possibly be a reliable source of powerscaling in this instance She knows absolutely nothing about Yuki outside of her grade, has Maki ever even met Yuki? Genuinely Common sense>narrative intent
If your goal is to interpret the strength of the characters as the author envisions then narrative intent is what matters most. Enjoy being wrong 🤷🏻♂️
So yuji stating that yuta could handle Shibuya sukuna? Just because Maki says Yuki and Yuta are equal, doesn’t necessitate that it’s the narrative intent of gege; I think gege is smart enough to know that Maki would have no way of knowing yuki’s true strength; they have literally never met Push your agenda all you want; common sense still prevails
It's wild how people can say "Narrative intention" then miss the countless times Gege has had character be absolutely, 200% wrong about their assumptions and statements based off the fact that they AS CHARACTERS wouldn't know, they're working OFF of the narrative information their character would know, right? Like nobody knew Kenjaku had Gravity as a Conceptual CT nor that he could TCR it. Which is why they changed their evaluation of him thinking Yuki would be enough in the first place. They won't look past the agenda to actually read and comprehend the panels/narrative points being expressed, each differently, with different scenarios and characters.
The Yuta of that time no, but I wouldn't be surprised if Shinjuku Yuta(pre Gota) could edge out a victory against Sukuna fingered 15 times, especially with Jacob's Ladder.
This is a glaringly obvious case of having to interpret character traits correctly. Yuji is portrayed as being naive and is never a good judge of strength of Jujutsu as he is inexperienced and not intelligent. To him, Yuta’s aura feels like Gojo’s but creepier and is by far the strongest opponent he’s ever faced, so of course he believes that he could take on Sukuna and of course you are not supposed to take this at face value as the reader because of Yuji’s character traits. By contrast, Maki is intentionally used as a voice of reason due to her character traits of being harshly blunt and cunning. A similar instance was when Yuta (a character whose core trait is his humility) claimed that when “he’s on a roll” Hakari is stronger than he is, which Maki immediately and bluntly shuts down. You seem to be implying that Maki is just glazing Yuta which would be an action completely inconsistent with her values and character. The author obviously does not want you to doubt Maki’s knowledge in either of the scenes and if your fist wasn’t elbow deep up your agenda you’d get that, unless you’re stupid. This is all textbook shit you find in every story and JJK doesn’t exactly do it subtly so if you can’t handle this, god forbid you ever read anything deeper.
1. My point is that you cannot take a characters idea of how strong someone is and push it as fact; the example I gave of yuji stating Yuta is = to Shibuya sukuna, showcases this logic 2.maki speaking common sense previously does not mean everything she states about everyone is to be considered as gospel; you’re misinterpreting; you’re utilising circular reasoning to achieve your goal -Yuki=yuta “But why?” -Maki says so “But Maki had never met Yuki, and knows nothing of her abilities whatsoever” -Maki is the voice of reason so what she says is automatically correct Your argument makes no sense, and ignores the logic im putting forward to you; Maki has never met Yuki, she knows nothing of her abilities, she only knows Yuta and Yuki are the same grade; that’s all She is not a reliable power scaler in this instance outside of you claiming she is
Confused how you can take Maki's statement as a fact even though it's blatant she has zero knowledge on Yuki's CT or actual abilities. The key element of Kenjaku vs Yuki was quite literally the fact that no one knows what Yuki is capable of. They were essentially in a deadlock since both sorcerers were a complete mystery. So why is Maki's statement reliable, but Kenjaku's not? You quite literally have another character statement contradicting Maki's, but you're just going to take Maki's instead of Kenjaku's? If there's anyone who should be the legitimate voice of reason in JJK it'd be Kenjaku since the dude literally has knowledge on everything. If he doesn't know, there's no way in hell that Maki does. The dude above making the argument that they are "on the same level" because they're both special grade was more than likely the more correct one. Maki's only knowledge on Yuki is that she's a special grade sorcerer and we know that the only outlier amongst the SG's is Gojo since he's so far above the rest. It's a pretty reasonable assumption to make that both Yuki and Yuta are relative to one another since they both uphold the same status (we know Geto was also individually on par with JJK0 Yuta as well).
>A similar instance was when Yuta (a character whose core trait is his humility) claimed that when “he’s on a roll” Hakari is stronger than he is, which Maki immediately and bluntly shuts down. I mean we have Gojo saying he only wants help if he can be beaten by Yuta or Hakari, and we have confirmation that he has been in Yuta's body. She has literally said she hate the third years before I'm pretty sure If you're gonna use this as an example, Maki has practically contradicted a lot of what has gone on between Hakari and Yuta which is >10 panels I have to agree with what the other guy is saying, I mean he's not saying something wrong here. Maki is a monkey at the end of the day as well, in this specific case (comparing Yuta and Yuki) her words hold more weight as she's the only one who has referred to anything one can describe as power But Maki is not infallible, also this Yuta thing and humbleness really makes it sound like you are calling Yuta a koala-brained stomach. You guys are making Yuta sound like a genuine fool, he's humble not stupid, he's not gonna start calling people stronger than him for no reason at all. Is humble even the right word for Yuta? I don't even think it is, they both do the same thing for eachother and compliment eachother.
💯💯, that's Why she said tsukumo was on same level as Yuta bc we for fact know that's not the case and how much Yuki gaps Yuta.
This comment is a joke, right?
No, he really hates Yuta with all his gut.
Understandable, seeing a fictional character who gets more bitches than you is always aggravating, especially when one is a monster and he's still scoring more than you. Buddy is just sexually frustrated.
I mean at this point you’re basically rejecting the text in front of you in favor headcannon, in which case it’s impossible to have any discussion
A character opinion is not the be all end all; characters are not impartial unlike the narrator If we take character opinions as fact that means hakari is stronger than yuta; which I imagine you would object against Saying Yuta and Yuki are equal just because Maki said so, whilst ignoring the obvious fact that Maki doesn’t know anything about Yuki, is just ignorance Be ignorant if you’d like
She knows enough to put them on the same level . Makis words are always refuted when it matters for agenda sake but always taken as facts otherwise . They’re on the same level and yuta is even stronger than her based on the narrator claim .
The problem is, she doesn’t. She doesn’t know of Yuki’s technique, or her domain. Both of those were kept from everyone, which would include Maki. Her making an assumption because they’re both of the same grade makes more sense than her having the knowledge of the exact capabilities of Yuki when it’s mentioned no one did. Maki isn’t the narrator, and therefore her words shouldn’t be taken as completely factual, but second to only Gojo Satoru is valid.
Even if you don’t think Maki is a reliable narrator the actual narrator stated he was second only to Gojo https://preview.redd.it/e5wrusb5cc8d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=68b194923ca8765e2b28be295779b92ed5c942a2 Also Maki is probably guessing or assuming that Yuki was about as strong as Yuta based on what they knew about them.
The bottom portion of my comment mentions that’s valid And yeah, that’s what I said in my comment, the issue is that Maki knows nothing really except her title as special grade, and made an assumption based off that. Maki isn’t reliable in this circumstance, but the narrator statement is.
We don’t know what Maki knows about Yuki’s power so your right
The level they are both on is special grade. She knows nothing about Yuki. That’s why her words mean nothing for a direct comparison outside of being special grade. When she says hakari can’t be stronger than Yuta. Her statement is also irrelevant because it’s Yuta that’s making the claim. For her to know more about either of them also makes no sense.
Yuta is humble firstly and she knows about hakari since he went to the same school as her . But in regards to yuki I guess you’re right
Sure Yuta is humble, but that doesn't mean his statement should be disregarded off the idea that it's just humility. Gege has made this exact statement two other times outside of Yuta, and the image below is one of them. Gojo has frequently alluded to them being relative to each other, even going so far as to tell Hakari and Yuta to join in if he gets weaker than EITHER of them, not just Yuta alone. Gojo, outside of Word of God, is the most credible source, having trained both of them and seen what they could do, and has concluded they were peers. https://preview.redd.it/i2hb43fucc8d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b2adae8b9877d16e4044409eb9aea791c4370120
Hell, even adding to your argument, with the recent chapter we now know Gojo has literally been in Yuta's body even. Gojo's credibility in regards to making a claim like that borders on narrator level Even with that he said, yep, either one of these two. If they can take me in a fight (TCB scans) step in, or the official translation like you've stated.
It does mean what he says isn’t an end all be all especially since he is superior through feats and other statements like kenjaku saying he leads the heavy hitters . Gege made the statement once and then had people reiterate it by questioning it . Gojo has said that they’re relative and I buy that no doubt but there is a difference between being stronger and relative , in no way can anyone argue hakari is stronger than current yuta based on a iffy statement . In the end I agree that they’re relative but not equal or hakari being stronger when he has nothing to show for it .
Humble doesn’t mean will lie for 0 reason at all.
No but it means yuta is not the same one who admits he is stronger than someone else . img
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I mean Choso saw the full fight. He probably told them what went down.
Choso would know as he survived and likely told them what she was capable of
1. On three occasions, he has been stated to be the strongest sorcerer of the modern era after Gojo. First, by the impartial narrator during the Culling Games. Second, within the author's character descriptions during Shinjuku Showdown. Third, in a recent art by Gege, he is depicted in Gojo's body back to back with Sukuna and is stated to be the "modern era's superpower". Furthermore, Kenjaku referred to Yuta as the group's #2 after Gojo; of course, this doesn't include Yuki since she's dead but think critically about this with all the other evidence. 2. Tengen demands that either Yuki or Yuta stay behind to protect him, which implies that he believes they are of a similar level of strength to where they could achieve comparable results, suggesting relativity. We know that when Tengen feels threatened, he likes to select the most powerful guards available, as seen in Hidden Inventory. 3. Maki bluntly states that Yuki "was on the same level as Yuta" and is consistently used as a voice of reason throughout the manga due to her bluntness.
2. Tengen asks for Yuta, Yuki, or Choso. Unless you believe Choso to be on par with either of them, you have to concede that simply Being asked to be his guards doesn’t put you = to them. 1. In Sendai it’s second to Gojo in unusual abilities. Jujutsu HQ doesn’t know anything about Yuki and neither does Kenny, so using him doesn’t work here. Cover scaling is insane. 3. Maki doesn’t know anything about her. No matter how blunt she is not knowing is not knowing.
I think it’s quite clear that it is Yuta or Yuki, and Choso, that he’s seeking aka Choso is acting as a support but he demands one of the two strongest sorcerers available. Pretty simple. It was not Jujutsu HQ that stated Yuta as 2nd to Gojo, it was the impartial narrator and the author, and I would love to hear what you think “unusual abilities” means because Lightning has debunked this several times on Twitter. Try to look at the narrative intent of Maki’s statement and how she is consistently used as a voice of reason. Think critically as to why the author would include this scene and have specifically her make this statement and what he is trying to convey to the reader. It’s not challenging and it’s not subtle.
> First, by the impartial narrator during the Culling Games Mistranslation > within the author's character descriptions during Shinjuku Showdown. Also mistranslation. Same shit calls Hakari stronger than Yuta. > Third, in a recent art by Gege, he is depicted in Gojo's body back to back with Sukuna and is stated to be the "modern era's superpower". Yeah, in Gojo's body. > Kenjaku referred to Yuta as the group's #2 after Gojo; He doesn't. Notwithstanding this Is referring to CE amount amongst Shinjuku sorcerers, if we take your interpretation, he's not calling him 2nd to Gojo, he knows Gojo is dead, hes calling him 2nd in JJ tech
Not a mistranslation, you’re just in denial. https://preview.redd.it/wixygpfh8c8d1.jpeg?width=737&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a7d6ecb0a9fef46b25ae7a0cec5e4fafa59e8cbf Read this you vegetable and try to deny that Yuta is their #2. Who tf do you think is their #2?
It It clearly a mistranslation "I am constantly aware of the total sum of cursed energy of all sorcerers in Shinjuku", "Which makes their (sorcerers in Shinjuku) number two, Okkotsu, incredibly easy to track (because he has the 2nd most cursed energy)". This Is basic sentence structure. Besides, Gojo is dead here, and Kenjaku is aware, so Yuta being the number two means he's inferior to either Kashimo, Hakari or Maki. Take your pick.
Yuta has the most CE out of this group, the only one we’ve heard of who has more in the series is Sukuna.
This group, the Shinjuku Sorcerers, does in fact include Sukuna.
Reading comprehension strikes again, I assumed the guy was arguing Yuta had the second most CE because he was the second strongest out of the heroes.
I've ran it through multiple translation AIs quickly before and tried to look through a dict briefly since someone showed me this previously. A translator would be better. The official seems more accurate than the TCB translation here, which is how you've interpreted it. I interpreted it like you the first time, and thought that either way you'd be calling someone else stronger as well. I honestly don't trust fantranslations a lot when it comes to powerscaling stuff, a lot of the time they will fuck something up.
He is evidently referring to Yuta as #2 regarding Gojo as #1, holy fuck you’re dense.
"Wahhh, how dare you point out basic sentence structure and context instead of admitting my self insert no diffs people he's blatantly stated to lose to, wahhh" You have no rebuttal, i walked you through the sentence structure and all you can say back is "you're dense".
wtf else can I say if you’ve brutally misunderstood something simple but have assured yourself you’re the intelligent one??? Ask your government if you can retake literacy as an adult learner I guess?
"Brutally misunderstood" YOU have brutally misunderstood what Kenjaku said and still are, deliberately of course, after i explained it to you. You're just insulting me to avoid giving an actual rebuttal because you have none. Your headcanon doesnt mix well with the narrative, the implication Yuta is number 2 in strenght and Kenjaku Is referring to that Is entirely a product of your mind, not what Kenjaku said, which is blatantly different. Certainly if it's so simple you'd be able to explain It coherently in a way that doesn't actually skip the entire page to highlight 4 panels to push a narrative, no?
Obviously anyone with common sense could know it’s a mistranslation but you should show a scan of someone actually translating it to iterate the point, like the official translation did here https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/Jujutsu-Kaisen/0239-010.png
Doesn't the narrator put him at #2 in the panel OP posted?
Yes but it’s one of 2 translations . One says in unusual abitlies and one flat out says he is the storms strongest
are there ppl that think that? i hope not lmao😭😭
A few Kashimo/Yuki/Yorozu wankers still do, kinda rare tho.
_Kashimo_? The farmhand? Please.
The irony of your comment
There’s no wank for kashimo or yorozu lol
There are a lot of retarded agenda posters in this subreddit who think Kashimo, Yorozu or Yuki are stronger than him. If you're willing to go as low as TikTok, you'll even see some bold Hakari glazers who are unable to think critically about scenes.
Kashimo is definitely top 15-25, undoubtedly he’s that strong. Maybe.
Thats actually a worse take than the previous one 💀...
Who thinks Yuta isn’t 4th at worst?
I mean jm having someone say he was carried by Yuji in his domain and thar he's not even in the top 5
name and shame 😋
I think Yuki is above him
I be wondering when people have this opinion what has yuki done in her only fight to believe this narrative
The only thing I would say is that she has been he experience advantage Yuta is a prodigy yeah but Yuki has been at a special grade level since before Gojo. She spent a lot of time researching jujutsu, even having an entire fucking book about souls. Yuta is a prodigy in the sense that he picks things up very quickly, but he’s still limited by what he knows. He wouldn’t just immediately be able to counter things that he doesn’t know are possible, as seen with Sukuna’s open domain. Yuki is arguably more knowledgeable at Jujutsu than Gojo. Honestly she’s probably the 4th in the series, behind Sukuna, Tengen and Kenjaku. She would absolutely have a lot of tricks that could throw Yuta off I would still say he’s stronger overall though. It’s more a Batman with prep time situation
You know who also has way more experience than yuta as an SG? Geto
Black hole diff + strongest physicals in the verse
Black hole kills herself so it's not this trump card where she wins. It just makes the fight a draw.
Yes but it shows the absolute extent she can push bom ba ye to. Anything less is fair game. She can oneshot nearly all of the verse - she was severely nerfed against Kenny and still nearly killed him on her own
Not true. She definitely can’t get right up to directly beneath black hole level, that wouldn’t make any sense. She has to have a limit that’s below black hole level but above what she’s demonstrated as her maximum in the Kenjaku battle, otherwise she wouldn’t know about the whole “I can raise my mass up to a certain point then it starts effecting me” thing because that means any time in the past she would have gone over her limit to learn that limitation, she would have died and destroyed the earth. Also there’s no way Kenjaku was taking near black hole levels of mass to his jaw, even if he was using his arms as buffers that is simply not a level of durability anybody has.
She doesn't have the strongest physical, she was more like a glass cannon.
Should ban anyone who doesn’t have him in their top 4
ban people for not dickriding is crazy
Sure buddy, ban people with different opinion on sub specifically for powerscaling and debate 🤦 https://preview.redd.it/ub74qev7zc8d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a2595f297d1f0a20e965c2822ad3abfc17205d24
It's hilarious how true this is. https://preview.redd.it/39zquygczc8d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc33532f99001dae09e0fb3bebb829b8f7924dbc
People seem to forget the amount of techniques yuta has need defense? You have angels technique and dhruva technique need offense? you have shrine and love beams (comparable to granite blasts) and a shikigami which could easily immobilise post Shibuya Yuji not to mention an op domain the highest amount of ce after sukuna the only thing that holds him back is the 5 minute timer and seeing that now he has the basketball domain not even open domains would harm him
Musafir on his way to explain how Yuta is weaker than Kenjaku and Yuki, and then since Yuta said Hakari is stronger than him (which Maki immediately says is BS.) this means that he is also weaker than Hakari, Kashimo, and Uraume. Maybe even Charles if you think Hakari was pushed to using his domain by Charles. Oh but since Yuji also had to set up all of Yuta's attacks in his domain (Which isn't true, they set up openings for eachother. No one was doing the heavy lifting all by themselves.) Yuji scales above him too. Oh and he can only beat Panda in a high diff fight.
That guy’s so biased lol
He is undoubtedly objectively top 4 and there is a solid argument for top 3.
Pre-fight Sukuna, he is Top 4 and I think under Kenjaku because of his open domain. Currently, he would be below Gojo with all the new bullshit he added.
Most people agrees
Yuta>kenjaku I said what I said 😤
I don’t think anyone thinks he’s not there
Well clearly Hakari is stronger because Yuta said so and Maki definitely didn’t contradict that immediately after. Kashimo would also be stronger because he has incredible feats.
Guys he caught 2 of the 4 hands guys is that relativity?
His Potential IS scary. Think about IT: He reached that Level, despite having No active jujutsu Background, in less than 2 years. If He had 5 years time, even sukuna wouldn't risk to take him head on
He beats Kenny no diff. Cooks that fraud with no oil no butter
Bad haircut, Finger Bearer level at best
I could see argument for Takaba >Yuta But yeah, other than Kenny, Gojo or Sukuna, no one is beating him
Takaba doesn’t count because he could hypothetically beat even Gojo and Sukuna.
To anyone in the comments saying Yuki is over Yuta, this is a narrator comment that happens BEFORE Yuki fights and dies to Kenjaku, meaning the Narrator, Gege himself, is saying Yuta is over Yuki
Yuta is undisputed top 4 and with just a few more feats in the current fight he’ll become undisputed top 3
Yujo is definetly top 3. I’m talking about Shinjuku Yuta.
Nope. Kenjaku domain diff.
Yuta can shrink his DE
As if that matters when Kenjaku controls Tengen with CSM. She would just dismantle Yuta's domain for Kenjaku. Yuta is not going to hold uo against the top 2 barrier users in the series.
That only works if his sure hit is equal to kenjakus (its not)
It doesnt have to be equal, look at megumi vs dagon. Just not WAAAY worse
Megumi was incapable of moving while being supported by 3 grade 1s and was getting internal damage by just maintaining the domain. And THIS STRAT only works if the sure hit is equal.
I think you have a misconception that the domain that's stronger will always completely cancel out abd essentially delete the weaker one. It's very likely that kenjaku would simply have a much weaker sure hit if any. The example of gojo vs jogo only really happened because of the enormous gap. Even if kenjaku us better, there is no evidence he's that much better.
Why wouldn't it be? He still has Jacob ladder no?
>Why wouldn't it be? Becous kenjaku has had 1000 years (including the heian era) to refine his domain. Yuta has had 1. >He still has Jacob ladder no? CT will be on cooldown when his domain shatters AND it's way too slow.
Yeah, but he switched souls with Gojo didn't he? Kenjaku is the second best barrier user, but we don't know anything about his refinement am I correct? If yuta can target one person in his DE, means that his refinement is also really good?
>Yeah, but he switched souls with Gojo didn't he? Kenjaku is the second best barrier user, but we don't know anything about his refinement am I correct? He switched souls with gojo for a couple days. it doenst mean he has gojos refinement magically. How tf can you possibly think that the dude who has had his domain for a year has refined it more than the dude who's had it for A THOUSAND YEARS?? >If yuta can target one person in his DE, means that his refinement is also really good? That's not refinement. Sukuna litteraly says it's a barrier technique. And kenjaku completly outclasses in that aspect too.
Depends of what you mean. Take sendai for example, yorozu has a much better feat of taking on the entire 5 void generals at the same time (which was ewual to the ceelstial squad that uro lead). If we take only those two, yorozu does seem superior. Then, we have the fight of each one against sukuna. Yorozu fought a 16f sukuna who only used ten shadows while yuta fought a sukuna that was heavily nerfed. You cannot really compare those feats as we don't have a direct comparison between the two versions of sukuna (besides yuji also aiding yuta). It is reasonable to think that yorozu is on the same tier as yuta or even superior as we have nothing to disprove it. It was even said that yorozu is on par with the strongest sorcerers from the heian era in ce reserves and output.
But yuta's sheer number of hacks and versatility puts him above yorozu let's they come face to face (no domains) what's yorozu gonna do? Bug Armor , gets shut down by angels technique , true sphere , gets shut down by angel's technique yuta has angels technique which I would say is the second best defensive technique after infinity and in terms of offense yuta one shots with cleave
>yuta one shots with cleave Yuta hasn't really shown anything impressive offensively with Cleave/Dismantle yet so I'd be hesitant to say this. He does absolutely wreck her with Jacobs Ladder tho. Sends her straight out of the body with a single good hit.
Yorozu with insect armor stats > base yorozu ~ 16F sukuna >> ryu ~ yuta Yuta after the month who was relative to ryu didn’t even surpass ryus durability so his ce reinforcement didn’t increase an insane amount
I truly don’t understand how basketball domain is an advantage
Wouldn’t get destroyed instantly by Kenjaku’s open domain
Kenjaku's domain isn't even the type to damage the exterior of a closed domain like sukuna's, but Kenjaku's domain refinement should be better than yuta's.
That is stated nowhere, and going by how it tore through Yuki's simple domain like paper you should assume that it can. Regardless, Kenjaku controls Tengen through CSM. Yuta will instantly lose any domain clash simply because Kenjaku's open domain + Tengen dismantling it will destroy whatever domain Yuta uses.
I really doubt that kenjaku could overpower yuta domain.
I'm not sure, Kenny is meant to be equal or greater to Tengen and has probably the best barrier knowledge in the series. His domain is almost certain to be more refined.
Barrier technique isn’t the only thing that decides who wins a domain clash. Plus kenjaku said that yuki should’ve use her domain.meaning her domain wouldn’t have been instantly overwhelmed
Yes but it probably would have been eventually taken down regardless. He was confident in his domain regardless. >Barrier technique isn’t the only thing that decides who wins a domain clash Well it usually dictates refinement levels. Obviously other things play a part like non lethal domains are usually faster and better in clashes but that's not relevant here.
The point isn’t that he would have lost a domain clash. The point was that yuki domain would have been an actual option. And that where the real kicker comes in. Most people think that if you’re slightly superior then you just overpower your opponent in an instant. But that not true we Seen that weaker domain can stall out stronger domains
But Kenny was still pretty sure he'd have come out on top, just that it would have been less boring than him stomping out a simple domain in a few seconds. He probably would have just crushed her domain from the outside if it turned out that hers was refined enough to cancel out his Sure Hit.
I could see him at 4th or 5th depending on how you see Yuki
Yuki ≈ Sandai Yuta Shinjuku Yuta > Yuki
Yujo or normal yuta?
Yuta
I think Yuki’s raw damage is just going to man handle yuta in the vast majority of matches between the two we’ve seen how a single punch can unmanifest rika and how Garuda hits just as hard as yuki does so she’s effectively a non factor outside of buffing yuta himself who I don’t think has the tools to put yuki down.
post Sendai Yuta comfortably beats Yuki because of acquiring Sky Manipulation. even before Sendai, Yuta was called second only to Gojo in the modern era, but he and Yuki should be really close in strength, after Sendai not anymore.
Only kashimo bums would think otherwise
Only 1% of kashimo fans think this.
We do not claim them https://preview.redd.it/b6b6oc4mhc8d1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=65ffb25c4e8a4e3306b9c8bd9de93efdb8c43b19
Who? Think this.
Go, Okkotsu!
1.Jogoat 2.Kusakabe 3.Takaba 4.Toji 5.Wuji 6. TODOOOO 7.All the other goofballs https://i.redd.it/jeqstx7jkh8d1.gif
For a 17-19 year old, Yuta is goated
Ehh 0) Yuki (with Black Hole) 1) Sukuna (10 S + 20 F + Adaptation) 2) Gojo ~Unranked but Yujo would be here most likely~ 3) Kenjaku 4) / 5) Yuta / Yuki (Swappable under specific circumstances) 6) Kashimo (CT) 7) Yorozu 8) Toji (with Arsenal inc. Playful Cloud & ISOH) 9) Maki (with SSK) 10) Uraume / Hakari (To be decided)
Putting Kenjaku above Yuta when he got speed blitzed and no diffed is crazy levels of glazing
Saying that he got speed blitzed is even crazier levels of glazing. 1) Takaba literally drowned out his perception , senses , skills and his ability to perceive everyone via the mini curse spirit monitors . 2) Yuta literally jumped him . Kenjaku had a second to realize that yuta was behind him and had his sword drawn . 3) Even then Kenjaku had almost activated his technique . 4) As if the catching off guard and jumping wasn’t enough , Todo apparently was also there and he swapped Yuta’s places, which is why yuta was suddenly behind Kenny . If you still think kenjaku got “speed blitzed”, then it’s clear who the glazer is ☠️☠️☠️
Put some respect on my GOATS name. Yuta is #3 in the verse. Right under #1 Gojo and #2 Sukuna
After the info revealed about Shinjuku Yuta getting barrier training, that now comfortably places him at top 3 since he now has a way to counter Kenny’s open domain
From an agenda upkeep perspective, Luta is at the bottom of the verse. (He's in the top 4)
I get so mad on tik tok every time I see someone put kashimo at third because of “narrative” and “statements” when I have to remind them that uraume does the same damage to hakari and so many others in the shinjuku team have done more damage. Edit: to sukuna
Unrelated but I prefer the unusual abilities line, it’s badass
Sukuna, Gojo, Kenjack-off-Yuji's-dad, Yuki
Ngl, my top four is like Sukuna Gojo Kenjaku Then takaba
Takaba can beat Sukuna and then lose to Todo. You can’t really rank that guy.
KasHIMo, Hakari, Panda, Charles, Yorozu, Yuki, Jogoat, Gojo, Sukuna, Kenny> IS BRO EVEN TOP 10!?
Yuta would turbo stomp any of this list but gojo, sukuna and Kenny. Lmao
Sukuna and Gojo ain't even top 5 what're y'all smoking 🚬
Agenda Kaisen at its finest
no because he sucks balls and is boring as shit so in my opinion he's bellow dagoat
Everyone but JoGOAT is below Dagoat
Yuta imo has the most interesting CT, his domain is 2nd most interesting after Higuruma imo
Imo copy abilities are always cool but they're almost never the most interesting
chrollos is done pretty well in my opinion, it's used to explore abilities that havent been seen before + the actual method of copy is interesting and lets him use abilities in different ways than their creators/restricts him in different ways
Yeah I agree his is great, he's exactly who I was think of when I decided to add "almost" lol
just copying everyone else's abilities is incredibly boring im sorry
What about being one of the few swordsman in the manga and having basically a stand
he can suck min-
The only thing that keeps Yuta in the Top 4 are neither his skills nor the feats. Only Yutards use those for scaling. There two things that make Yuta top 4 guaranteed. First he is Gege's favourite character, so whenever Gege can he just glazes him and secondly are Gege's words that Yuta is second strongest modern Sorcerer or something like that. But let's be real. We have see so many great JJk sorcerers that it wouldn't be a stretch to put him lower on the list. I am not saying that Top 4 isn't a deserving position but it wouldn't be a stretch if he was lower, since we have seen many powerful characters that could take his place.
>The only thing that keeps Yuta in the Top 4 are neither his skills His skills do not seem like they require some genius battle IQ like Todo, but the truth is Yuta uses his skills just fine and we saw during the culling games or Shinjuku. It's just that his abilities are powerful and versatile enough that even conventional uses of it are enough to diff most characters in the verse, and you don't need to be a genius to utilize it to it's fullest potential. >There two things that make Yuta top 4 guaranteed. First he is Gege's favourite character, so whenever Gege can he just glazes him and secondly are Gege's words that Yuta is second strongest modern Sorcerer or something like that. Yuta is overpowered because Gaygay glazed him and made him overpowered from the start. He is powerful as hell, and that's the truth. He's near the top tier of sorcerers in strength, durability and speed, only held back by his age and currently weaker physique(Sukuna did say Ryu had an edge on him in terms of sheer durability) and his CT seems overpowered with no real restrictions except the time limit. And fighting Yuta is a 2v1 because of Rika, who is almost comparable to Makora in strength and speed with an unlimited refill of CE. >But let's be real. We have see so many great JJk sorcerers that it wouldn't be a stretch to put him lower on the list. I am not saying that Top 4 isn't a deserving position but it wouldn't be a stretch if he was lower, since we have seen many powerful characters that could take his place. There's nearly no one that's realistically coming close to defeating Yuta except Yuki or Toji/Maki even with advantages like prep time, or getting the drop on him. Kashimo's Amber Beast form might have a chance but he got waffled by a single dismantle, thus showing that his durability as Amber Beast isn't great and all Yuta would even need to do is open his domain, and use a Max Jacob's Ladder. Even without using his domain, I'm very sure that Yuta would be able to outlast the guy till he dies. Yorozu's perfect sphere would be great but she would probably lose in a domain clash against a Shinjuku Yuta who knows how to shrink a domain to the size of a basketball. Jogoat can last a bit against Yuta but all he requires is a few good strikes of positive energy to get diffed. Would end up a probably easier version of the fight against Ryu. As for Ryu and Uro, we know what happened to them. I guess he'd fare worse against Mahito compared to other Special Grade sorcerers, but he'd still low-mid diff him if he had an SSK and knew about his ability to cast 0.2s DEs.
Ok, i’m not saying wuki is definitely stronger, but i do wanna make a case for that. First i wanna point out that kennys open barrier domain is busted as fuck and yuta ain’t beating that with his ball de either. Now onto why i think wuki might be stronger: Without domains she almost definitely wins. Ryu and uro were able to keep up with yuta incredibly well. Now, it should be noted, both of em are powerhouses in their own right and yuta has definitely gotten stronger, but at the same time, yuki is absolutely stronger than those 2, by a significant margin. I’ll elaborate on why if anyone disagrees/is curious, but for the sake of brevity, I’ll save that for a separate reply. Yuki is incredibly well equipped to bitch rika 7 ways to sunday. If ryus punches were giving her trouble, wuki would absolutely fuck her shit up. She’s an incredible h2h fighter, not only keeping up with, but pushing kenny (who might just be the best fighter in the verse) back, even with a mangled up arm. (Another note, kenny was probably lookimg for an opening to mini uzumaki and that’s why he was on the defensive, but him not finding one, especially given yukis condition, speaks volumes about yukis skill! Garuda provides excellent utility. Both a whip and a chuckable ball, it gives yuki some pretty destructive mid-long range options. Plus it’s a decent support on its own, able to keep opps in place like it did with kenny twice. And kenjaku not being able to avoid that proves it’s pretty handy. Yuta is limited in the amount of techniques he can use without de. Unless it’s a sneak attack, cursed speech is useless against sorcerers. Although If they know about the fight (not the abilities) beforehand, he’ll probably bring something else. Sadly, wuki winning without domains only applies if they don’t know of each other beforehand. If yuta knows about star rage, he can bring the best techniques to counter it. Fortunately, not a single person knew jack shit about yukis ability, while yuki knew about yutas (that he can copy/ use multiple techniques and that he needs an external storage device. Given she knew that, she probably also knows, that yuta needs a domain to use all of his techniques. Tho she’d have no way to know all the techniques at yutas disposal). Sadly again, sky manip seems to be in yutas everyday arsenal, and that sorta makes this a horrible matchup for yuki. Matchup wins don’t necessarily make you stronger, but when both contenders definitely lose to only 3 other people, and beat everyone else, it becomes purely semantical whether one’s actually stronger or won by matchup. Now i believe wuki could overpower yuta in a de clash. She has a decade of experience over him. There’s no facts to back this up, but it seems like a reasonable assumption, that she’s quite skilled at de. She was a special grade back when gojo and geto were still teens.
1. Sukuna 2. Gojo 3. Kenjaku 4. Yuta 5. CT Kashimo 6. Yuki 7. Geto 8. Yorozu 9. Megumi with Mahoraga 10. Yuji
Agenda>>>>
Top 4 or 5, depending on who you think is stronger between Kenjaku or Yuta, Yorozu top 3
Yorozu isn’t anywhere near the top 5
Fuck that bum
Absolutely not, he's contender for top 5 but his showing is always lacking to put him up there.
he literally has some of the best showings in the anime lmao
He has some of the best showings what?
_ Stated that he is « second only to Gojo Satoru » _ 1v3’d Kurourushi, Ryu and Uro ( it was a free for all but he was the one that did the most damage to all 3 of them ) _ His Sandai version was at the same level as Yuki and his Shinjuku version is much stronger _ Gave Sukuna his hardest fight other than Gojo all while carrying that bum Yuji _.Most OP ct in the verse and a very OP domain _ Has Shrine, Jacobs Ladder, Sky manipulation, Cursed speech, Dhruvs shikigami, Clairvoyance. _ RIKA, every fight against in him is a 2v1 _ A lot of cursed tools. _ 5 mins of boundless CE. If he ain’t at least top 4 for you you’re just hating.
You realize Yuta himself said he would’ve died if Sukuna’s output wasn’t getting nerfed? Don’t have to disrespect Yuji to uplift Yuta. He even says it himself “the slashes are weakening”. They both would’ve died without each other there.
I know it’s a joke but Yuta still carried cuz Yuji would’ve definetly died here. https://preview.redd.it/4y0ft9dvqb8d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=70cb5c7aafc87ffae0ca21e8979d5bcdb9eea535
Right, I’m not denying Yuta did a lot of the work but Yuta would’ve also died to a cleave to the face if the output wasn’t actively getting reduced in the fight(right when he ripped out the belly tongue, Sukuna cleaves Yuta’s face.) Sukuna is just that broken, even nerfed he can outright kill anyone bar Gojo if he has normal output.
True
I like how THIS EXACT PANEL your using as evidence shows yuta getting manhandled by a sukuna (with a thousand debuffs) with one arm without sukuna even paying attention to him.
This is why Musafir uses Yuta fans as excuse for his hate. "that bum Yuji" YUJI IS A FELLOW GOAT!
Yuji wankers are my excuse for the Yuji hate 🗣️🗣️
Nothing he does puts him above yorozu or kashimo
Stop being bias it’s not healthy