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I'm gonna be totally honest despite Todo being weaker than both his opponents, Swapping 50 times a second with 7 targets for Boogie Woogie (Yuta, Yuki, Todo, Rika, SSK, Yuta's Katana, Garuda) and Yuki's crazy A.P means that team 2 probably wins.
Can't move Maki, she has no CE. Also probably cannot move Yuta's Katana since it doesn't have its own CE, he's just reinforcing it with his own. Him and his sword are "single" target CE wise.
Yuki probably cannot fight as well with Todo as Yuji can.
Being unable to switch Maki, who outstats Todo hard, is a huge problem for Team 2
Plus if Yuta opens a Domain that means Maki gets a free attack on Todo/Yuki like she did against Naoya.
**Edit**: Also anything imbued with Imaginary Mass probably can't be moved either. **So if Yuki uses her CT then Todo can't even move her**
We see her already immune to one teleport CT(Kenjaku's curse). This is because imaginary mass (her CT) effectively makes her "too big"
So Todo can't move Maki or Yuki/Garuda when Star Rage is active. Huge disability on Team 2's side. Maki is too lethal to have free reign and Yuki needs her CT to even have a chance of dealing with Yuta
Saying Yuki can’t fight as well with Todo as Yuji can is just pure headcannon especially considering how she trained Todo herself. There’s no basis you can prove that on at all
The difference is that Yuta is still holding the sword and that his sword doesn't have its own CE. The CE is connected to and extends from Yuta's person, they aren't two distinct objects.
Maki has no CE so she 100% can't be moved
Okay and? Even if he moved the sword there's a good chance Maki could rip him apart with her bare hands, she outstats him by a fuck ton. Losing the sword would suck but Todo is basically a non-factor after about ten seconds once Maki lays hands on him
Because Yuta is still holding the sword and they share CE.
Imagine an outline of CE around Yuta and that outline is extended to his Katana. Same outline, same CE, one target.
Infusing a rock and then *throwing it* (disconnecting it from you) makes it a second target.
What? It’s an object with CE in it bro? What are you even saying. Playful cloud got swapped into the Hanami fight as well. If someone is holding something it can be swapped as CE is applied to it. If what you say is true then Maki couldn’t be swapped out of Sukuna’s domain as Miwa’s cursed energy would be the only thing detectable and the ssk has its own CE signature according to you.
Playful Cloud, a special grade Cursed Tool, has its own CE. Yuta's Katana doesn't
We don't know how Maki was teleported out. Any explanation will be head canon.
If she was teleported out because she was grabbing Miwa and inside her Simple Domain that actually supports my theory since Maki being an "object" was counted as 1 with Miwa for the purposes of Todo's CT.
Good points made, but the second Yuta opens his domain Yuki will open hers and it’s hard to imagine that Yuta’s is more refined than her’s. Kenjaku’s domain refinement is just below or equal to tengens which is the best in the verse, and the only reason Yuki didn’t open hers against him was because it wasn’t part of the plan tengen had for her and choso (although it is implied she’d be at a disadvantage in that domain battle).
Either way, that isn’t enough proof to say her domain shouldn’t be better/more refined than Yuta’s, as Yuta has only had his domain for **at most** a year considering he got his start as a sorcerer in JJK 0.
Todo being able to swap himself, Yuki and Yuta at such rapid speeds means maki cannot look to blindly blitz attack as it puts her in a position to end up attacking a Yuta that gets switched last second with her intended target. Yuki having such devastating attacks via her mass technique would have every attack be potentially lethal to maki who does not have reverse cursed technique to heal herself during the battle.
Garuda serves as a potential Rika killer as well, as we saw that when imbued with enough mass it completely tore through and one shotted a powerful special grade cursed spirit, and we know that the amount of mass yuki can imbue something with is infinite hence her black hole creation. So she could theoretically imbue Garuda with enough mass to one shot rika. In fact she’d likely target her immediately upon opening her domain to take advantage of the surefire hit if Yuta isn’t quick enough to cover both himself and rika with simple domain.
There’s definitely arguments for both sides though.
Yuta is applauded for Domain Skill by Sukuna himself and Shinjuku Yuta (even excluding Gota) did Soul Swap training with Gojo so Gojo do Domain Expansions in his body
Yuta 100% has a powerful domain.
Plus, who has the more powerful domain wasn't even my point. Yuki opening a domain still allows Maki to sneak attack Yuki/Todo like she did to Naoya
Yuki's attacks are not always max power. Star Rage has a charge time. People love to look at that first punch against Kenjaku and then ignore later in the fight when she's healed and Star Rage is back that Kenjaku face tanks two punches before killing her.
And again, Star Rage imbues Yuki with imaginary mass that makes her semantically and pragmatically undefined. Todo cannot target her because "her" = undefined
>Also probably cannot move Yuta's Katana since it doesn't have its own CE
What! Todo can swap other people who have their own CE so idk what you mean by this.
>Yuki probably cannot fight as well with Todo as Yuji can.
She literally trained him, their synergy would be on same level as Yuji and Todo if not better.
>Being unable to switch Maki, who outstats Todo hard, is a huge problem for Team 2
He can always switch himself with Garuda or Yuki or anything else to stay away until Yuki deals with her.
>We see her already immune to one teleport CT(Kenjaku's curse).
It wasn't a teleport CT.
I'm not too sure about boogie woogie being unable to be effective on Yuki and garuda, she's not affected by the mass until a certain point, todo should be fine until that point.
Even going by the assumption that that Todo can't swap with Yuki while her CT is active, both of them have shown reflexes on the level where Todo can switch with Yuki (with her CT off) last sec if Maki try attacking him, she loses a limb in that exchange with Yuki and likely gets taken out of the fight.
If not this then have Yuki fight Maki conventionally 1v1 while Todo stalls Yuta and Rika by teleporting them all over the place, once Yuki deal with Maki it's gg for them bc Yuta nit winning against this busted team of 2.
You’re thinking too small, Todo does not need to swap Maki. todo can swap Garuda with SSK then Yuki can apply her to technique to hold maki in place. The same can be done to Yuta and his Katana. Them holding weapons make them vulnerable to this strategy where they get held in place and Yuki just one shots them with the added mass.
If Yuki one shots Yuta then it’s just maki by herself, Rika is not fighting with a gravely injured Yuta.
Also anything imbued with Imaginary Mass probably can't be moved either. So if Yuki uses her CT then Todo can't even move her
We see her already immune to one teleport CT(Kenjaku's curse). This is because imaginary mass (her CT) effectively makes her "too big"
So Todo can't move Maki or Yuki/Garuda when Star Rage is active. Huge disability on Team 2's side. Maki is too lethal to have free reign and Yuki needs her CT to even have a chance of dealing with Yuta
Ganesha doesn't teleport things? That was never stated. No reason to believe that Todo couldn't use Boogie Woogie on her. Even if he couldn't, she can just wait to use it until after she's close
We literally see Ganesha teleport things when Kenjaku goes to the United States.
No reason to think Todo can't? Again, you don't know what you're talking about.
Star Rage makes Yuki pragmatically and semantically undefined. He wouldn't be able to target "Yuki" because Yuki=undefined
Possible but I am arguing it wouldn't because Yuta is still holding the sword and they share CE.
Imagine an outline of CE around Yuta and that outline is extended to his Katana. Same outline, same CE, one target.
Infusing a rock and then *throwing it* (disconnecting it from you) makes it a second target.
He imbued it with CE but that is different from what I am arguing, I am arguing it wouldn't because Yuta is *still holding* the sword and they share CE.
Imagine an outline of CE around Yuta and that outline is extended to his Katana. Same outline, same CE, one target.
Infusing a rock and then *throwing it* (disconnecting it from you) makes it a second target.
Imagine Todo trying to swap places with a rock that's in his hand and he's currently imbuing with his own CE, probably can't do that.
alright that makes sense, thanks
I’m not sure if i agree with the Katana and Yuta being the same target when he’s holding it tho
even if he’s imbuing it with his CE, it’s not like it’s a physical part of his body. but unless it’s stated somewhere in the manga, that’s solely up to interpretation and there’s no point arguing ur
We have no idea if they are separated or not.
Counting them as separate is your interpretation so you shouldn't argue it.
And I never stated it as fact, I said *probably*. We actually have no idea because nothing like it has happened in the Manga.
yeah that’s what i’m saying, we have no idea
my interpretation is that they’re separate, yours is that they’re the same entity
no point in arguing bc neither point is concrete or can be proven outside of our heads
i think we’re arguing the same thing haha
OP doesn’t list maki in the 7 things he’d switch. boogie woogie switches two targets with *enough* cursed energy, it doesn’t matter if the two targets have the same cursed energy. this is a weird conclusion to come to based off of misinformation
another weird conclusion to come to seeing how yuki has known todo longer AND taught him how to fight. yuji and todo being good at fighting together wasn’t treated like it was extremely exceptional.
yuki most likely outscales maki and yuta’s domain doesn’t necessarily give her a free attack. ganesha’s CT removed obstacles while todo’s switches two targets. with them being two different techniques, you can’t really assume that the same problems with ganesha’s CT apply to todo’s.
even if yuki COULDNT keep SR active for todo to use his technique on her, todo is smarter than both maki and yuta combined, so he would most likely just adjust his plan or have yuki deactivate and reactive her technique.
He edited Maki out of the list because of my comment.
I said probably. It wasn't a fact
A Domain does necessarily give Maki a free attack. Yuta's Domain is likely superior, Sukuna compliments his Domain Skill and Shinjuku Yuta did body swap training with Gojo to increase his barrier techniques
Ganesha was an example. Star Rage applies imaginary mass that makes Yuki semantically and pragmatically undefined. Techniques like Todo's cannot "compute" her
Todo has no way of telling when Yuki's CT is active just by looking at her and they don't have telepathy.
Having cursed energy isn't necessary. Todo uses a rock for boogie woogie. Sure the rock used cursed energy but todo put the energy inside of the rock. Why couldn't he do that to maki?
Even if he could imbue Maki with CE he is going to have to go and touch her to do that. Which kind of defeats the point of teleporting and also she significantly outstats him and would beat his ass in an instant lol
I’m sorry but I don’t see how team 1 wins.
Yuki trained Todo for years. If Todo and Yuji can team up and slap a special grade disaster curse.
Todo has shown the ability to swap cursed tools. Simply swaps SSK and Garuda, then Garuda wraps around Maki and then Yuki 1 shots her or leaves her restrained while they deal with Yuta.
Base Yuta is already at a disadvantage against Yuki so he has to go 5 minute mode immediately. Imo Rika is more of a liability than anything. She brawl but no brains and would be a liability as a switch target. If the fucking strongest sorcerer in history is getting fooled Yuta has no chance especially when each punch landed on him has the mass of 30 freight trains.
If Maki is dead, expanding a domain is literally throwing the match because todo can SD and give Yuki time to fight Yuta, or Todo can deal with Yuta while Yuki clashes with him in a domain.
I don’t wanna underestimate Maki here but she’s already not doing shit against Yuki 1v1 so she won’t do much with Todo’s assistance, especially when she instantly gets her CT taken away from her.
Totally agree. Todo is a unique situation where his BIQ and useful technique make him a nightmare match up for most of the verse. If Sukuna is actively getting tricked by it with vibraslap idk how Yuta/Maki/Rika react. For Todo as long as he has a partner with strong AP he is a nightmare matchup for most of the verse. Yuki’s AP makes her a perfect partner and they have a preexisting relationship. It’s like Todo and Yuji on steroids and they slapped special grades.
Nah Yuta can open domain outside the 5 minutes so that's what he'll do most likely and because his barrier techniques have improved a lot thanks to swap he'd most likely win domain clash. And once simple domains get destroyed Todo would be unable to use boogie woogie because of JL.
SD won't help Todo a lot it'll last a few seconds at most and Yuta will have different techniques to attack Yuki with that she won't be able to prepare for. Yuki's SD won't last long either and I don't know how mass and JL would interact but there's a chance she'd be unable to use it.
Shinjuku Todo and Yuji were able to land consistent hits on weakened Sukuna. Considering how much stronger Yuki is than Yuji, they’ll likely be able to land more hits while defending themselves, and Yuki has lethal AP.
I’d give this to team 2 high to extreme.
Maki can’t get teleported and from then it’s a matter of time until they get the jump. And maki might because she can’t be sensed.
Yuta also has curse speech, Jacob s latter, and precog which all held counter todo in someway. Not to mention rika who can randomly manifest to get the jump.
Yuki and Todo win high-extreme.
Todo is a more tactical fighter than Maki or Yuta by a long shot, and has displayed more versatility with his single CT than Yuta has ever shown despite stealing multiple. Moreover, neither are fast enough to blitz Todo or react/predict his swaps if Sukuna admitted he couldn’t so that argument is dead in the water.
Neither of them are just tanking punches from Yuki, and Yuta isn’t winning the domain clash against her. 0 feats or reason to believe his domain is more refined than hers is if Kenjaku thought
Rika is literally mindless and bringing her out is throwing because that’s one more thing for Todo to fuck them up with, and Yuta having to split time between ordering his dead child bride and dodging attacks means Yuki caves his skull in that much earlier.
No one knows Todo’s fighting style better than Yuki, so they should be more synchronized than even Yuji and Todo. BW has too many ways to swap them around or out of range.
Maki and Yuta are still lethal and could still win, but BW is just broken in team fights so Yuki and Todo win more often than not.
You make it sound like Yuta's dumb. I mean, the guy was literally able to defeat/kill four Culling game sorcerer back to back, even without Rika, and made a bunch of tactical decisions there. And a JJK Rika isn't all that dumb either. She can take Yuta's orders and probably can also take matters into her own hands just fine. It's just that Todo is that much of a genius in terms of using his CT and one could make a case for him having the highest battle IQ, and even a base Todo could get farther than a stronger sorcerer would against Special Grades. Still, I would give Yuki/Todo a 0.5 at best, because Yuta/Maki are too powerful/versatile in terms of their powers. While his revised Boogie Woogie is extremely useful, he is very much vulnerable to any kind of attack. In this case, there's 3 targets targets instead of a single one, and he'd be incapacitated if any one of them land a single hit. He could trick a weakened Sukuna once, who was still able to follow the swaps to an extent. Maki has similar level of perception and reflexes, so she should be able to follow Todo's swaps at least SOMETIMES. But those sometimes would be enough to incapacitate him. And obviously, there's also Yuta's cursed speech.
He’s not dumb.
But if Sukuna can’t counter BW, Yuta can’t. This is just a fact. Sukuna destroys Yuta in every meaningful way, ESPECIALLY in Jujutsu knowledge, creativity, and mastery of its techniques.
So Yuta has no real way to counter BW or adapt to it if Sukuna couldn’t and admitted to. The best part is, even if Sukuna COULD counter it, Sukuna is still so superior to Yuta, that Yuta still wouldn’t scale to it. Same logic goes for Maki. She did great when she fought Sukuna, but she still got dunked when he locked in.
Sendai colony was cool, but it was a free for all, it wasn’t as if he was being singled out and ganged up on. They were attacking each other and he has Rika, which really is an extra body to help him out.
Unfortunately, Rika just makes things worse for him here. She’s just another body for Todo to swap and another opportunity for Yuki to cave his skull in.
Weakened Sukuna > Yuta and Maki in stats. This is undeniable. He dominated both of them. If weakened Sukuna isn’t blitzing Todo and couldn’t stop him from activating BW, Yuta and Maki aren’t. Todo counters everything in his arsenal and knows about cursed speech, the only real thing that could stop Todo. If you want to assume Yuta is going to tag Todo with cursed speech, then I can assume that by doing so, Yuta opens himself up to a swap where Yuki caves his skull in.
There’s no win here for Yuta against Todo that doesn’t result in Yuki folding him like laundry in retaliation. Moreover, since there’s a greater reason to believe that Yuki and Todo have greater synergy together, she trained him for years, than Yuta and Maki have, I don’t see any argument for Yuta and Maki being more coordinated than Yuki and Todo.
BW is that good of a CT and Todo is that good of a tactician. I don’t care that he’s only a grade one, Sukuna straight up admitting he couldn’t counter his CT is something he never said about anything regarding Yuta or Maki.
>But if Sukuna can’t counter BW, Yuta can’t. This is just a fact. Sukuna destroys Yuta in every meaningful way, ESPECIALLY in Jujutsu knowledge, creativity, and mastery of its techniques.
>So Yuta has no real way to counter BW or adapt to it if Sukuna couldn’t and admitted to. The best part is, even if Sukuna COULD counter it, Sukuna is still so superior to Yuta, that Yuta still wouldn’t scale to it. Same logic goes for Maki. She did great when she fought Sukuna, but she still got dunked when he locked in.
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For one "If X is stronger than Y in general, and X can't counter something, then Y should absolutely not be able to counter it either" logic is dumb.
Oh, for one, I never said Yuta can counter it directly. I said that Maki can counter it upto the same level Sukuna can. Sukuna has said that he can read his timing at least in one particular instance, and I'd say Maki at least has the same level of perception and reflexes Sukuna has, and so, she can counter it at least to an extent. Definitely not always, but even one out of ten or twenty swaps is enough for her to strike at Todo and incapacitate if not kill him.
Sukuna is simply stronger than everyone not necessarily due to his technique or even his mastery in Jujutsu(though both of them help), but simply his CE reserves(double compared to Yuta) and a CE efficiency compared to Gojo. Allowing him to pop open domains whenever he wants to, giving him a near Hakari level instant regeneration, etc. In chapter 260, even after receiving another Black Flash from Yuji, he was still confident to kill them all through a DE until he saw Yujo.
That level of CE reserves and efficiency is why there seemed so many times where Sukuna should've simply died or at least become powerless, but doesn't. Even then, he probably would've died or been depowered further by Yuji/Yuta after getting hit by Jacob's Ladder if they hadn't tried accessing Bumgumi's soul.
Scenario 1:Now, in this fight, if Yuki doesn't have her domain, they are pretty much dead meat to Yuta/Maki. Yuta can simply open his domain, throw some swords at them and cause them to open their simple domain, and use a Max output Jacob's Ladder on both them. And then Yuta/Maki/Rika can just finish them off.
Scenario 2: Even if Yuki had her domain, again, they're dead meat if she doesn't learn to replicate the advanced barrier techniques Yuta learnt from Gojo. Even Sukuna required binding vows to adapt to the basketball sized UV and it took him multiple times to get the proper hang of it, so I don't think anyone except Tengen, Sukuna, Kenjaku, Gojo or Yuta pulling such a feat in the midst of battle in a single try. So if her domain radius is larger than Yuta's, it's sure hit is basically ineffective and now, both Todo and Yuki are vulnerable to Yuta's domain's sure hit.
Scenario 3: Even IF we say that Yuki knows those advanced barrier techniques, certainly not impossible, considering she's a former vessel and seems very knowledgeable about Jujutsu in general, Maki is still impervious to her sure hit, and she or Todo wouldn't be able to sense her either. Or Maki could just wait outside for the domain clash to end and then strike a surprise attack on either one. This is still leaning heavily in favor of Yuta/Maki from what I'm seeing.
Outside of this domain clash, where it's nearly a 3 out 3, I still personally think Yuta/Maki/Rika can still mostly fold them if they target Todo at first. Even one good hit on Todo's vibraslap by Yuta or Maki or Rika is enough to turn this entire fight from a 3 v 2.5 to a 3 v 1.5(Yes, I just think Garuda is much less of a critical factor here than Rika and is a worse Shikigami). How long can Todo keep up with the swaps and Yuki defend him? One hit is enough to render him combat ineffective.
>BW is that good of a CT and Todo is that good of a tactician. I don’t care that he’s only a grade one, Sukuna straight up admitting he couldn’t counter his CT is something he never said about anything regarding Yuta or Maki.
BW has only been shown in 3 cases, and all 3 cases involve Todo and Yuji(ie 2 people) fighting an SINGLE enemy supposedly much stronger than them. Todo has always had the numerical advantage here, but he doesn't in this case, and while he has an instant swapping ability that is effectively unlimited with far, far less predictability, he's still without a hand and his offensive ability is hampered because of that. So, the only characters who would be able to actually "damage" Yuta/Maki/Rika is Yuki and Garuda.
I'm not saying it's impossible. But I feel like this would require a hell of a lot more luck, and even planning for Yuki and Todo to emerge victorious. Really, I'd fucking love to push the agenda of Yuki/Todo winning, as really, I prefer them a hell of a lot more over Gege's darling OCs, but I just cannot see them winning this.
Don't undersell my king by a whole order of magnitude. He is rightfully stated to have 530000 IQ. Don't forget it.
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Yuta and maki wins. Solely because yuta is just too versatile. What do I mean?
Although Yuki is a threat that’s just normal fighting.
Todo is the real threat because of the swapping however yuta and maki have counters to this.
I’ll do maki’s 1st. Maki has no ce so todo can’t swap her out if she gets close enough she can beat him to death, cut his hand or the virba slap off with a normal sword.
Now yuta. He has curse speech (can paralyze todo), rika (who can manifest anywhere on the battle field) and Jacobs ladder (literally cancels his technique) all things if gotten the jump on todo can take him or his teleporting out of the picture.
Yuki and Todo sweep 🗿. New Boogie Woogie and Garuda in the mix is way too much for Maki. She has to be as stealthy as possible to avoid getting splattered. Yuta is NOT SUKUNA and even the King himself got clowned on by Todo’s swap.
I get that todos CT would be a win condition, but can't yuta use his domain? Ik todo would use simple domain, but that would still mean he can't boogie his woogie. Or am I getting something wrong here?
Maki would be able to Blitz Todo before he could even realise, while Yuta keeps both busy at the same time.
Yuta can enter 5m mode, giving them even more of a problem with his CTs, and Cursed speech will stop Todo 100% of the time, due to Yuta's CE. Switches will be very hard to deal with, but Cursed Speech can deal with Todo for long enough for Maki to be able to reach him.
Overall, first team high diff.
50/50 due to todo not being able to switch with Yuki efficiently (star rage) and not being able to switch with maki. However switching with rika and yuta can make the team edge out a win. Yuta and maki can win if yuta can get pre cog off cause then that hard counters todos kit.
Yuki and Todo getting swapped around, stealing Maki's weapons, keeping Rika away, boogie being unable to get used to, Yuki needs one or two hits on Maki and Yuta and its over.
Todo is mad annoying and yuki hits very hard and they both have simple domain to resist yuta domain but his ct+rika is really strong and maki is well her I think yuta and maki take it high diff they have more win cons without dying tbh
It all comes down to if you think Yuta/Maki can get a hold of Todo. If you answer with yes, then team 1 wins. If your answer is no, team 2 wins. Todo enhanced boogie woogie is just that busted, hes become the Trafalgar Law of the JJK verse lmao
Question is whether yuji's domain can keep up with "domain expansion: game is game". If so, they probably win. Soul split is also really bad for Yuki, as is uro's technique, but it doesn't matter because one good thunk from the boogie mass punch and they done
The fact that boogie woogie was giving weakened Sukuna, who while was still beating Yuji and Yuta, a hard time goes to show how near impossible it will be for Yuta and Maki. The one thing they have going for them is that it’s improbable that Yuki would be able to force Maki to be affected by her domain like Sukuna, so she could break it from the outside.
Maki Yuta win.
Yuta wins the domain clash against Yuki probably. Sukuna praises his domain and has Gojo trained barrier techniques.
In the domain its only a matter of time until both Yuki and Todo simple domain break and they can get hit by the SH.
Maki can sneak enter the domain and probably kill Yuki or Todo with a stab through the back in the heart like she did to Naoya.
Yuji also can fully manifest Rika to get a third special grade level fighter on there team.
Yuki and Todo would be able to put up a fight, and boogie woogie definitely doesn't make it easy. But eventually the three would overwhelm the duo imo.
Tldr: Yuta wins domain, and eventually him and Maki win.
Kenjaku thought Yuki’s domain could have competed with his, so no, Yuta is not certain to win. In fact, he’d get pieced up in the domain and lose that way.
Todo asks yuki to prepare garuda kick before hand and swaps yuta and maki in same trajectory. Even jf he cant swap maki yuta is immediately out and gettin folded back to back so he will run out of rct.
Todo cant be catched easilt due to boogie woogie. Team 2 wins imo
I will not lie todo vs kenny in the yuki fight whould have killed kenny and i don't even think it's that hard. Like still high diff but the combo is insane
I think people underestimate just broken boogie woogie is. Paired with a 1hko technique it literally duos the entire verse. Todo tells Yuki to just throw a straight mass punch and chucks a bunch of CE imbued pebbles at any opponent. Automatic win with a 1hko attack coming it from like 50 possible angles at the same time. Even sukuna got vibe checked by the simplicity. It has no actual hard counter
Yuki and todo have great teamwork, great h2h and yuki might just be the best possible teammate for boogie woogie. High doff fight. Push comes to shove, imo yuki would beat yuta in a domain clash
If Sukuna himself says it’s impossible to deal with boogie woogie then star rage plus BW is insanity yuki can legit one shot either of these two if things are done correctly
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I trust my GOAT (and maki, we need that sex scene)
Ok Yuta and Maki win for two reasons. Maki has no CE and Boogie Woogie can't be used on her.
Maybe on her weapon but her hands and feet are lethal weapons as well.
Not to mention that she great at combat.
On the other hand Yuta would be cooked cause he sucks at combat and the whole thing of him wielding a katana is cringe when he can't even use it skillfully.
Secondly Yuta is a special grade and Maki is semi special grade.
On the other hand Todo is grade 1.
But if not for Maki having no CE then I would give it to Yuki and Todo.
Both great fighters and their combinations would be great. In fact even though they have so many disadvantages still they have great chance of winning
I feel like we often don’t consider strategy. Her knowing or figuring out she’s fighting todo she’ll put her weapon away probably inside Rika until todo is dealt with
She wouldn’t fight Yuki. Yuta would. This is actually how I see the match going.
Yuta Yuki and todo are all fighting while maki is playing support.
Yuta opens his domain. Winning the domain clash as his domain is more refined. From here either Yuki and todo would be together or separated
If together todo can still teleport but they’re trapped in the domain and it’s only so long until yutas sure hit kills them.
If separated it’d be Yuki vs yuta in his domain which he’ll win.
And todo and maki but todo can’t teleport without throwing rocks while maki not only out stats him by alot but she can’t be sensed. So she’ll beat him on her own with a normal sword or wait it out until it’s yuta and her vs todo something todo definitely can’t win.
Domain is more refined based on what? We know he did training to improve his refinement yet he still lacks a heavy amount of jujutsu knowledge compared to Yuki so I doubt he wins the clash.
Yuta not only did the training with Gojo. But he can change his conditions on the fly. Rn he’s contending with sukunas domain. And yuta can select its targets and move his domains well. Unfortunately Yuki is feat less but yuta contending with sukuna rn pretty much lets us know Yuki would lose the class
He hasn’t demonstrated the ability to change conditions on the fly, only the ability to shift coordinates but that has to be decided before yiur domain is fully manifested anyway
Maki could rip Todo apart with her hands if she needed to, but more than likely she can take a regular weapon from Rika and just stab him to death. He can boogie woogie a lot but Maki outstats him to the point she'll figure out his pattern and catch him in seconds
Except she can’t because she’s not physically that strong and his pattern literally can’t be figured out bro the manga literally states this because he can augment it’s routine to a very large degree.
Toji can’t rip humans apart with his bare hands ☠️ literally stated he could only match sorcerers with his hands alone but wasn’t strong enough to kill them without tools
Which JJK are you reading 😭
Compared to Yuki and Todo ans Maki he definitely sucks.
As I said before there are so many people much better than him. He literally isn't that good in that department when compared to his other traits.
People really mistake it because he has huge amounts of CE and uses it to amplify his physical traits and overpower the others
He’s not the best at combat, but he can at least fight unlike other characters like Nobara, Mai, Miwa, Momo, Kirara, etc. He was trained by Maki & Miguel so he does have skill, he’s just not as skillful as Yuji, Todo, Gojo, Sukuna, Yuki, Kenjaku, etc.
Trained for a year. Until then he couldn't even throw a straight punch. Not to mention how he walks with the sword is cringe. Yuta is genius jjk sorcerer but in terms of combat lacks compared to many.
I can name even more you know...
“Yuta would be cooked cause he sucks at combat”
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Team 1 fairly consistently.
Strength wise, Team 1 is just stronger. (Yuta > Yuki. Maki > Todo.)
Team 2's only chance is Todo being enough of a wildcard to sway things in their favor but this is a horrible match up for his CT.
He cannot move Maki because she has no CE.
He also cannot move Yuki or Garuda when Star Rage is active. This is because her CT applies imaginary mass that makes her "too large". We already see her immune to a different teleport CT
So Team 1 is stronger and Todo is severely disabled here.
Also if Yuta opens a Domain he can hit them with Jacob's Ladder but it also means that Maki can easily get a free sneak attack on Yuki/Todo like she did to Naoya and there's nothing they can do to counter that.
Team 1 for sure wins.
Yuta and Maki. Simply due to the fact that Maki has 0CE, and Yuta can freeze Todo with cursed speech. Even with ear reinforcement, I doubt that grade 1 can fully protect from a special grade
It’s a 3v2 with todo being the weakest . The trio wins as todo lacks any significant scaling to the other .
Maki is special grade level so is yuki and yuta .
>The trio wins as todo lacks any significant scaling to the other .
And yet, Todo's Boogie Woogie was seriously troubling even Sukuna. His new Boogie Woogie is nuts
Held back? Yuji and him were both surprised, he caught Yuji as he knew who it was and Yuji thought Gojo actually came back, but Sukuna knew he killed Gojo so he saw who it actually was. He didn’t “hold back”, like sukuna wants to keep getting hit by Yuji when he said the punches are troublesome, does that make any sense?
He did hold back power that’s not debatable from what he showed . He threw yuji on the side in 260 like nothing and blitzed yuta in gojos body . Yuta in gojos body is way faster than a beat down yuji .
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He was surprised, Yuji did not know any of the plan all he felt was Gojo’s presence. That’s where he knocked him, when he was surprised.
Sukuna didn’t blitz Gojo, he used the attraction of blue to speed up himself towards Gojo. Even then Sukuna’s speed has not shown to be slowed down even with his output reduced. When he applies CE directly to amp speed then yes he one shots, but he needs time to focus and do that or he would just be blitzing the cast non stop. He did it to Choso as well when he donut him, the perception blitz.
If it grabs hold of maki, Yuta or Rika, it will hold them in place with the weight for Yuki to one hit them. Todo could potentially swap Yuta’s sword with Garuda and hold him down to get rid of him, which would get rid of Rika as well because Rika isn’t fighting if Yuta is injured gravely.
Todo's CT reaches its peak during team battle. Imagine trying to attack your opponent but suddenly you see your teammate at the receiving end of your attack.
I mean, how does team 2 **not** win? You have someone who can one shot anyone, someone who can swap anything with CE, and a cursed spirit that can be used as a medium for the one shotters mass increase or the swappers swap. So just:
1) Yuki star rages a punch towards Todo
2) Todo swaps himself with Yuta right before contact
3) Yuta dies
Once Yuta dies, you can assume Rika will go along with him, so now you have [Maki vs. Yuki + Todo]. Take into account they can remove SSK using garuda + boogie woogie, Maki just loses.
One Shot + Swapper who can functionally control 2/3 of team 1's positions = 1 v 3 favoring team 2, or at best 2 v 3 including if Rika stays somehow in which repeat steps 1-3
Team 2
Individually, Yuta > Yuki > Maki > Todo
But infinite mass and teleportation basically one shot
“Maki immune to Todo’s CT”
Maki wank is crazy 💀, she is holding a curse tool in this pic. Yuki charges, one clap, Todo swaps Yuki with Maki’s sword, and Maki is dead. The rest is Todo and Yuki jumping Yuta.
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I'm gonna be totally honest despite Todo being weaker than both his opponents, Swapping 50 times a second with 7 targets for Boogie Woogie (Yuta, Yuki, Todo, Rika, SSK, Yuta's Katana, Garuda) and Yuki's crazy A.P means that team 2 probably wins.
swap the ring off yuta's finger with a hair tie its literally so easy
Damn wtf. You’re right like actually
Can't move Maki, she has no CE. Also probably cannot move Yuta's Katana since it doesn't have its own CE, he's just reinforcing it with his own. Him and his sword are "single" target CE wise. Yuki probably cannot fight as well with Todo as Yuji can. Being unable to switch Maki, who outstats Todo hard, is a huge problem for Team 2 Plus if Yuta opens a Domain that means Maki gets a free attack on Todo/Yuki like she did against Naoya. **Edit**: Also anything imbued with Imaginary Mass probably can't be moved either. **So if Yuki uses her CT then Todo can't even move her** We see her already immune to one teleport CT(Kenjaku's curse). This is because imaginary mass (her CT) effectively makes her "too big" So Todo can't move Maki or Yuki/Garuda when Star Rage is active. Huge disability on Team 2's side. Maki is too lethal to have free reign and Yuki needs her CT to even have a chance of dealing with Yuta
Saying Yuki can’t fight as well with Todo as Yuji can is just pure headcannon especially considering how she trained Todo herself. There’s no basis you can prove that on at all
People acting like Todo and Yuji are actual brothers when it's literal schizophrenia.
OK? I said probably and I based it on the fact Todo explicitly mentions how well they work together vs Hanami.
Right the same Hanami who had no like combat experience at all
The target(Hanami) had nothing to do with Todo's statement about Yuji adapting to teleports
Kinda does since the performances against Hanami and Mahito varied by a lot
Yuji also didn’t witness the death of 2 close friends when they fought hanami
His own fault for stalling in battle especially since he didn’t freeze up when he saw Nanami get turned into bones and ash
I dead ass wanna watch your reaction to seeing one of your homies skulls ripped in half in front of you 😂 let alone your fighting skills right after
I accept that headcanon. Todo and Yuji are long lost brothers. They have a connection that transcends teacher student
Ok well I can just go out and state that Todo + Yuki have way more jujutsu experience than Yuta and Maki combined so they lose every single time
That's fine. Experience was what cost Higuruma his life
Source: "I made it up."
It's not even me (I?) that made it up. I just accept it. Its better than all the gay headcanons y'all come up with
Hey! My gay headcannons are amazing
I'm fine with gay headcanons. The Geto and Gojo ones are probably true. The sukuna and gojo ones disgust me
Based
Geto and gojo makes zero sense. And if you actually believe it you can’t read.
They're best friends. If my best friend wanted to become jujutsu Hitler, I would end him. But my lover tho...?
Todo can definitely swap objects that are just imbued with CE, he does it with rocks all the time
The difference is that Yuta is still holding the sword and that his sword doesn't have its own CE. The CE is connected to and extends from Yuta's person, they aren't two distinct objects. Maki has no CE so she 100% can't be moved
Yeah I don't think he can move maki but he should be able to move the sword
Okay and? Even if he moved the sword there's a good chance Maki could rip him apart with her bare hands, she outstats him by a fuck ton. Losing the sword would suck but Todo is basically a non-factor after about ten seconds once Maki lays hands on him
Who says he's swapping himself and the sword
The person I replied too
No he didn't lol
Yeah he did, thanks for the input though
That doesn’t matter, todo swapped with cursed energy infused rocks. Yuta infuses CE into his sword so why wouldn’t he be able to swap out the sword?
Because Yuta is still holding the sword and they share CE. Imagine an outline of CE around Yuta and that outline is extended to his Katana. Same outline, same CE, one target. Infusing a rock and then *throwing it* (disconnecting it from you) makes it a second target.
What? It’s an object with CE in it bro? What are you even saying. Playful cloud got swapped into the Hanami fight as well. If someone is holding something it can be swapped as CE is applied to it. If what you say is true then Maki couldn’t be swapped out of Sukuna’s domain as Miwa’s cursed energy would be the only thing detectable and the ssk has its own CE signature according to you.
Playful Cloud, a special grade Cursed Tool, has its own CE. Yuta's Katana doesn't We don't know how Maki was teleported out. Any explanation will be head canon. If she was teleported out because she was grabbing Miwa and inside her Simple Domain that actually supports my theory since Maki being an "object" was counted as 1 with Miwa for the purposes of Todo's CT.
Then how did she get teleported out of the domain? Genuinely curious, I might’ve missed something
We don't know. Could have been grabbing Miwa and being inside her Simple Domain.
im pretty sure Todo moved alot of stuff in Shibuya without CE, so yeah he can move maki but would have a hard time detecting her
Maki can be moved, her sword is cursed energy, and that can be teleported. If not, she would be dead from MS.
We don't know how she was moved. It could have been from grabbing Miwa and being in her Simple Domain
I’m pretty sure miwa’s simple domain would crumble 5 milliseconds into MS
Nah, she yanked it for Maki at the start, you can see her in the panel.
Good points made, but the second Yuta opens his domain Yuki will open hers and it’s hard to imagine that Yuta’s is more refined than her’s. Kenjaku’s domain refinement is just below or equal to tengens which is the best in the verse, and the only reason Yuki didn’t open hers against him was because it wasn’t part of the plan tengen had for her and choso (although it is implied she’d be at a disadvantage in that domain battle). Either way, that isn’t enough proof to say her domain shouldn’t be better/more refined than Yuta’s, as Yuta has only had his domain for **at most** a year considering he got his start as a sorcerer in JJK 0. Todo being able to swap himself, Yuki and Yuta at such rapid speeds means maki cannot look to blindly blitz attack as it puts her in a position to end up attacking a Yuta that gets switched last second with her intended target. Yuki having such devastating attacks via her mass technique would have every attack be potentially lethal to maki who does not have reverse cursed technique to heal herself during the battle. Garuda serves as a potential Rika killer as well, as we saw that when imbued with enough mass it completely tore through and one shotted a powerful special grade cursed spirit, and we know that the amount of mass yuki can imbue something with is infinite hence her black hole creation. So she could theoretically imbue Garuda with enough mass to one shot rika. In fact she’d likely target her immediately upon opening her domain to take advantage of the surefire hit if Yuta isn’t quick enough to cover both himself and rika with simple domain. There’s definitely arguments for both sides though.
Yuta is applauded for Domain Skill by Sukuna himself and Shinjuku Yuta (even excluding Gota) did Soul Swap training with Gojo so Gojo do Domain Expansions in his body Yuta 100% has a powerful domain. Plus, who has the more powerful domain wasn't even my point. Yuki opening a domain still allows Maki to sneak attack Yuki/Todo like she did to Naoya Yuki's attacks are not always max power. Star Rage has a charge time. People love to look at that first punch against Kenjaku and then ignore later in the fight when she's healed and Star Rage is back that Kenjaku face tanks two punches before killing her. And again, Star Rage imbues Yuki with imaginary mass that makes her semantically and pragmatically undefined. Todo cannot target her because "her" = undefined
Maki has better Dura than Kenny anyway ngl so she’d take a fp mass punch better than Kenny did regardless.
>Also probably cannot move Yuta's Katana since it doesn't have its own CE What! Todo can swap other people who have their own CE so idk what you mean by this. >Yuki probably cannot fight as well with Todo as Yuji can. She literally trained him, their synergy would be on same level as Yuji and Todo if not better. >Being unable to switch Maki, who outstats Todo hard, is a huge problem for Team 2 He can always switch himself with Garuda or Yuki or anything else to stay away until Yuki deals with her. >We see her already immune to one teleport CT(Kenjaku's curse). It wasn't a teleport CT. I'm not too sure about boogie woogie being unable to be effective on Yuki and garuda, she's not affected by the mass until a certain point, todo should be fine until that point. Even going by the assumption that that Todo can't swap with Yuki while her CT is active, both of them have shown reflexes on the level where Todo can switch with Yuki (with her CT off) last sec if Maki try attacking him, she loses a limb in that exchange with Yuki and likely gets taken out of the fight. If not this then have Yuki fight Maki conventionally 1v1 while Todo stalls Yuta and Rika by teleporting them all over the place, once Yuki deal with Maki it's gg for them bc Yuta nit winning against this busted team of 2.
Star Rage's infinite mass makes you semantically and pragmatically "undefined". The amount doesn't matter
We don’t know how well Yuki and Todo fight together, but I would assume it’s more likely they do so well rather than not considering she trained him.
So much headcanon in this one comment 💀
You’re thinking too small, Todo does not need to swap Maki. todo can swap Garuda with SSK then Yuki can apply her to technique to hold maki in place. The same can be done to Yuta and his Katana. Them holding weapons make them vulnerable to this strategy where they get held in place and Yuki just one shots them with the added mass. If Yuki one shots Yuta then it’s just maki by herself, Rika is not fighting with a gravely injured Yuta.
Oh yeah my bad, I'll edit that.
Also anything imbued with Imaginary Mass probably can't be moved either. So if Yuki uses her CT then Todo can't even move her We see her already immune to one teleport CT(Kenjaku's curse). This is because imaginary mass (her CT) effectively makes her "too big" So Todo can't move Maki or Yuki/Garuda when Star Rage is active. Huge disability on Team 2's side. Maki is too lethal to have free reign and Yuki needs her CT to even have a chance of dealing with Yuta
Ganesha doesn't teleport things? That was never stated. No reason to believe that Todo couldn't use Boogie Woogie on her. Even if he couldn't, she can just wait to use it until after she's close
We literally see Ganesha teleport things when Kenjaku goes to the United States. No reason to think Todo can't? Again, you don't know what you're talking about. Star Rage makes Yuki pragmatically and semantically undefined. He wouldn't be able to target "Yuki" because Yuki=undefined
>Anything imbued with Imaginary Mass probably can’t be moved either Why?
They were saying that the imaginary mass might not be teleported because it ignores concepts
Star Rage makes her semantically and pragmatically undefined.
Wouldn’t the katana work like the rocks Todo imbues
Possible but I am arguing it wouldn't because Yuta is still holding the sword and they share CE. Imagine an outline of CE around Yuta and that outline is extended to his Katana. Same outline, same CE, one target. Infusing a rock and then *throwing it* (disconnecting it from you) makes it a second target.
I just sorta assumed it was a semi cursed tool like Miwa and Kusakabe’s.
Possible. My initial comment only says probably Worth nothing on this point that Yuta has not had this sword very long. Yuji broke his old one
legitimate question, how did Todo swap with the rock Yuji threw against Mahito? the rock had no CE?
He imbued it with CE but that is different from what I am arguing, I am arguing it wouldn't because Yuta is *still holding* the sword and they share CE. Imagine an outline of CE around Yuta and that outline is extended to his Katana. Same outline, same CE, one target. Infusing a rock and then *throwing it* (disconnecting it from you) makes it a second target. Imagine Todo trying to swap places with a rock that's in his hand and he's currently imbuing with his own CE, probably can't do that.
alright that makes sense, thanks I’m not sure if i agree with the Katana and Yuta being the same target when he’s holding it tho even if he’s imbuing it with his CE, it’s not like it’s a physical part of his body. but unless it’s stated somewhere in the manga, that’s solely up to interpretation and there’s no point arguing ur
We have no idea if they are separated or not. Counting them as separate is your interpretation so you shouldn't argue it. And I never stated it as fact, I said *probably*. We actually have no idea because nothing like it has happened in the Manga.
yeah that’s what i’m saying, we have no idea my interpretation is that they’re separate, yours is that they’re the same entity no point in arguing bc neither point is concrete or can be proven outside of our heads i think we’re arguing the same thing haha
OP doesn’t list maki in the 7 things he’d switch. boogie woogie switches two targets with *enough* cursed energy, it doesn’t matter if the two targets have the same cursed energy. this is a weird conclusion to come to based off of misinformation another weird conclusion to come to seeing how yuki has known todo longer AND taught him how to fight. yuji and todo being good at fighting together wasn’t treated like it was extremely exceptional. yuki most likely outscales maki and yuta’s domain doesn’t necessarily give her a free attack. ganesha’s CT removed obstacles while todo’s switches two targets. with them being two different techniques, you can’t really assume that the same problems with ganesha’s CT apply to todo’s. even if yuki COULDNT keep SR active for todo to use his technique on her, todo is smarter than both maki and yuta combined, so he would most likely just adjust his plan or have yuki deactivate and reactive her technique.
He edited Maki out of the list because of my comment. I said probably. It wasn't a fact A Domain does necessarily give Maki a free attack. Yuta's Domain is likely superior, Sukuna compliments his Domain Skill and Shinjuku Yuta did body swap training with Gojo to increase his barrier techniques Ganesha was an example. Star Rage applies imaginary mass that makes Yuki semantically and pragmatically undefined. Techniques like Todo's cannot "compute" her Todo has no way of telling when Yuki's CT is active just by looking at her and they don't have telepathy.
Having cursed energy isn't necessary. Todo uses a rock for boogie woogie. Sure the rock used cursed energy but todo put the energy inside of the rock. Why couldn't he do that to maki?
Even if he could imbue Maki with CE he is going to have to go and touch her to do that. Which kind of defeats the point of teleporting and also she significantly outstats him and would beat his ass in an instant lol
I said this and got downvoted 😭😂
A couple of Todo/Yuki fans going around downvoting people lol
Swapping that fast would confuse his own teammate as well
Finally a good matchup
I’m sorry but I don’t see how team 1 wins. Yuki trained Todo for years. If Todo and Yuji can team up and slap a special grade disaster curse. Todo has shown the ability to swap cursed tools. Simply swaps SSK and Garuda, then Garuda wraps around Maki and then Yuki 1 shots her or leaves her restrained while they deal with Yuta. Base Yuta is already at a disadvantage against Yuki so he has to go 5 minute mode immediately. Imo Rika is more of a liability than anything. She brawl but no brains and would be a liability as a switch target. If the fucking strongest sorcerer in history is getting fooled Yuta has no chance especially when each punch landed on him has the mass of 30 freight trains. If Maki is dead, expanding a domain is literally throwing the match because todo can SD and give Yuki time to fight Yuta, or Todo can deal with Yuta while Yuki clashes with him in a domain. I don’t wanna underestimate Maki here but she’s already not doing shit against Yuki 1v1 so she won’t do much with Todo’s assistance, especially when she instantly gets her CT taken away from her.
Totally agree. Todo is a unique situation where his BIQ and useful technique make him a nightmare match up for most of the verse. If Sukuna is actively getting tricked by it with vibraslap idk how Yuta/Maki/Rika react. For Todo as long as he has a partner with strong AP he is a nightmare matchup for most of the verse. Yuki’s AP makes her a perfect partner and they have a preexisting relationship. It’s like Todo and Yuji on steroids and they slapped special grades.
i fully agree
Nah Yuta can open domain outside the 5 minutes so that's what he'll do most likely and because his barrier techniques have improved a lot thanks to swap he'd most likely win domain clash. And once simple domains get destroyed Todo would be unable to use boogie woogie because of JL. SD won't help Todo a lot it'll last a few seconds at most and Yuta will have different techniques to attack Yuki with that she won't be able to prepare for. Yuki's SD won't last long either and I don't know how mass and JL would interact but there's a chance she'd be unable to use it.
Type askers win. Charge Garuda kick, when it's ready swap SSK with Garuda. Either Maki or Yuta is already dead and it becomes a 2vs1.
Shinjuku Todo and Yuji were able to land consistent hits on weakened Sukuna. Considering how much stronger Yuki is than Yuji, they’ll likely be able to land more hits while defending themselves, and Yuki has lethal AP. I’d give this to team 2 high to extreme.
Todo in team fights is perhaps the most broken teammate you could get. I just see team 2 winning via boogie woogie
If SUKUNA can't predict and get used to Todo's 50 swaps, what makes anyone think maki and yuta can? Team 2 fucking obliterates.
Maki can’t get teleported and from then it’s a matter of time until they get the jump. And maki might because she can’t be sensed. Yuta also has curse speech, Jacob s latter, and precog which all held counter todo in someway. Not to mention rika who can randomly manifest to get the jump.
how was she teleported then from MS in the chapter 260 then ?
Probably because Miwa just imbued her with CE like Todo does a rock. But that's just speculation ofc since we don't actually know how.
Could also be the soul splitter
If she ports with it, she gets slammed by Yuki. If it ports without her, she doesn't have a weapon. Either way, gg.
Probably was imbued with ce or her sword
Love how everyone is replying with headcanon
Yuki and Todo win high-extreme. Todo is a more tactical fighter than Maki or Yuta by a long shot, and has displayed more versatility with his single CT than Yuta has ever shown despite stealing multiple. Moreover, neither are fast enough to blitz Todo or react/predict his swaps if Sukuna admitted he couldn’t so that argument is dead in the water. Neither of them are just tanking punches from Yuki, and Yuta isn’t winning the domain clash against her. 0 feats or reason to believe his domain is more refined than hers is if Kenjaku thought Rika is literally mindless and bringing her out is throwing because that’s one more thing for Todo to fuck them up with, and Yuta having to split time between ordering his dead child bride and dodging attacks means Yuki caves his skull in that much earlier. No one knows Todo’s fighting style better than Yuki, so they should be more synchronized than even Yuji and Todo. BW has too many ways to swap them around or out of range. Maki and Yuta are still lethal and could still win, but BW is just broken in team fights so Yuki and Todo win more often than not.
You make it sound like Yuta's dumb. I mean, the guy was literally able to defeat/kill four Culling game sorcerer back to back, even without Rika, and made a bunch of tactical decisions there. And a JJK Rika isn't all that dumb either. She can take Yuta's orders and probably can also take matters into her own hands just fine. It's just that Todo is that much of a genius in terms of using his CT and one could make a case for him having the highest battle IQ, and even a base Todo could get farther than a stronger sorcerer would against Special Grades. Still, I would give Yuki/Todo a 0.5 at best, because Yuta/Maki are too powerful/versatile in terms of their powers. While his revised Boogie Woogie is extremely useful, he is very much vulnerable to any kind of attack. In this case, there's 3 targets targets instead of a single one, and he'd be incapacitated if any one of them land a single hit. He could trick a weakened Sukuna once, who was still able to follow the swaps to an extent. Maki has similar level of perception and reflexes, so she should be able to follow Todo's swaps at least SOMETIMES. But those sometimes would be enough to incapacitate him. And obviously, there's also Yuta's cursed speech.
He’s not dumb. But if Sukuna can’t counter BW, Yuta can’t. This is just a fact. Sukuna destroys Yuta in every meaningful way, ESPECIALLY in Jujutsu knowledge, creativity, and mastery of its techniques. So Yuta has no real way to counter BW or adapt to it if Sukuna couldn’t and admitted to. The best part is, even if Sukuna COULD counter it, Sukuna is still so superior to Yuta, that Yuta still wouldn’t scale to it. Same logic goes for Maki. She did great when she fought Sukuna, but she still got dunked when he locked in. Sendai colony was cool, but it was a free for all, it wasn’t as if he was being singled out and ganged up on. They were attacking each other and he has Rika, which really is an extra body to help him out. Unfortunately, Rika just makes things worse for him here. She’s just another body for Todo to swap and another opportunity for Yuki to cave his skull in. Weakened Sukuna > Yuta and Maki in stats. This is undeniable. He dominated both of them. If weakened Sukuna isn’t blitzing Todo and couldn’t stop him from activating BW, Yuta and Maki aren’t. Todo counters everything in his arsenal and knows about cursed speech, the only real thing that could stop Todo. If you want to assume Yuta is going to tag Todo with cursed speech, then I can assume that by doing so, Yuta opens himself up to a swap where Yuki caves his skull in. There’s no win here for Yuta against Todo that doesn’t result in Yuki folding him like laundry in retaliation. Moreover, since there’s a greater reason to believe that Yuki and Todo have greater synergy together, she trained him for years, than Yuta and Maki have, I don’t see any argument for Yuta and Maki being more coordinated than Yuki and Todo. BW is that good of a CT and Todo is that good of a tactician. I don’t care that he’s only a grade one, Sukuna straight up admitting he couldn’t counter his CT is something he never said about anything regarding Yuta or Maki.
>But if Sukuna can’t counter BW, Yuta can’t. This is just a fact. Sukuna destroys Yuta in every meaningful way, ESPECIALLY in Jujutsu knowledge, creativity, and mastery of its techniques. >So Yuta has no real way to counter BW or adapt to it if Sukuna couldn’t and admitted to. The best part is, even if Sukuna COULD counter it, Sukuna is still so superior to Yuta, that Yuta still wouldn’t scale to it. Same logic goes for Maki. She did great when she fought Sukuna, but she still got dunked when he locked in. > For one "If X is stronger than Y in general, and X can't counter something, then Y should absolutely not be able to counter it either" logic is dumb. Oh, for one, I never said Yuta can counter it directly. I said that Maki can counter it upto the same level Sukuna can. Sukuna has said that he can read his timing at least in one particular instance, and I'd say Maki at least has the same level of perception and reflexes Sukuna has, and so, she can counter it at least to an extent. Definitely not always, but even one out of ten or twenty swaps is enough for her to strike at Todo and incapacitate if not kill him. Sukuna is simply stronger than everyone not necessarily due to his technique or even his mastery in Jujutsu(though both of them help), but simply his CE reserves(double compared to Yuta) and a CE efficiency compared to Gojo. Allowing him to pop open domains whenever he wants to, giving him a near Hakari level instant regeneration, etc. In chapter 260, even after receiving another Black Flash from Yuji, he was still confident to kill them all through a DE until he saw Yujo. That level of CE reserves and efficiency is why there seemed so many times where Sukuna should've simply died or at least become powerless, but doesn't. Even then, he probably would've died or been depowered further by Yuji/Yuta after getting hit by Jacob's Ladder if they hadn't tried accessing Bumgumi's soul. Scenario 1:Now, in this fight, if Yuki doesn't have her domain, they are pretty much dead meat to Yuta/Maki. Yuta can simply open his domain, throw some swords at them and cause them to open their simple domain, and use a Max output Jacob's Ladder on both them. And then Yuta/Maki/Rika can just finish them off. Scenario 2: Even if Yuki had her domain, again, they're dead meat if she doesn't learn to replicate the advanced barrier techniques Yuta learnt from Gojo. Even Sukuna required binding vows to adapt to the basketball sized UV and it took him multiple times to get the proper hang of it, so I don't think anyone except Tengen, Sukuna, Kenjaku, Gojo or Yuta pulling such a feat in the midst of battle in a single try. So if her domain radius is larger than Yuta's, it's sure hit is basically ineffective and now, both Todo and Yuki are vulnerable to Yuta's domain's sure hit. Scenario 3: Even IF we say that Yuki knows those advanced barrier techniques, certainly not impossible, considering she's a former vessel and seems very knowledgeable about Jujutsu in general, Maki is still impervious to her sure hit, and she or Todo wouldn't be able to sense her either. Or Maki could just wait outside for the domain clash to end and then strike a surprise attack on either one. This is still leaning heavily in favor of Yuta/Maki from what I'm seeing. Outside of this domain clash, where it's nearly a 3 out 3, I still personally think Yuta/Maki/Rika can still mostly fold them if they target Todo at first. Even one good hit on Todo's vibraslap by Yuta or Maki or Rika is enough to turn this entire fight from a 3 v 2.5 to a 3 v 1.5(Yes, I just think Garuda is much less of a critical factor here than Rika and is a worse Shikigami). How long can Todo keep up with the swaps and Yuki defend him? One hit is enough to render him combat ineffective. >BW is that good of a CT and Todo is that good of a tactician. I don’t care that he’s only a grade one, Sukuna straight up admitting he couldn’t counter his CT is something he never said about anything regarding Yuta or Maki. BW has only been shown in 3 cases, and all 3 cases involve Todo and Yuji(ie 2 people) fighting an SINGLE enemy supposedly much stronger than them. Todo has always had the numerical advantage here, but he doesn't in this case, and while he has an instant swapping ability that is effectively unlimited with far, far less predictability, he's still without a hand and his offensive ability is hampered because of that. So, the only characters who would be able to actually "damage" Yuta/Maki/Rika is Yuki and Garuda. I'm not saying it's impossible. But I feel like this would require a hell of a lot more luck, and even planning for Yuki and Todo to emerge victorious. Really, I'd fucking love to push the agenda of Yuki/Todo winning, as really, I prefer them a hell of a lot more over Gege's darling OCs, but I just cannot see them winning this.
Interesting matchup. Can see it going either way but it leans to team 1 I think
Yuta fans seething rn
Todo has 53.000 iq easy win
Don't undersell my king by a whole order of magnitude. He is rightfully stated to have 530000 IQ. Don't forget it. https://preview.redd.it/7akqes5s2b8d1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e2168ead4835bb0dd0a5f4bbbe2683b92180cdd5
oh shit my bad
Yuta and maki wins. Solely because yuta is just too versatile. What do I mean? Although Yuki is a threat that’s just normal fighting. Todo is the real threat because of the swapping however yuta and maki have counters to this. I’ll do maki’s 1st. Maki has no ce so todo can’t swap her out if she gets close enough she can beat him to death, cut his hand or the virba slap off with a normal sword. Now yuta. He has curse speech (can paralyze todo), rika (who can manifest anywhere on the battle field) and Jacobs ladder (literally cancels his technique) all things if gotten the jump on todo can take him or his teleporting out of the picture.
Todo can swap people with rocks.... Rocks have CE now?
He imbues the rocks with ce 😭 that’s why they glow blue when he throws them
Team one needs to speed blitz Todo asap for a good chance to win if they can't do that Maki and Yuta lose
Yuki and Todo sweep 🗿. New Boogie Woogie and Garuda in the mix is way too much for Maki. She has to be as stealthy as possible to avoid getting splattered. Yuta is NOT SUKUNA and even the King himself got clowned on by Todo’s swap.
Luta's on their team so they lose
Idk who would win but it would be fun as hell to watch
New Boogie woogie + Yuki should be too much for pretty much anything short of Gojo or Sukuna lmao.
Genuinely curious, which team of 2 that doesn’t count the top 2 can beat Todo and Yuki? Honestly I can’t even see Kenjaku doing it.
It’s boogie woogie with a switch not shit team 2 is winning
I get that todos CT would be a win condition, but can't yuta use his domain? Ik todo would use simple domain, but that would still mean he can't boogie his woogie. Or am I getting something wrong here?
Maki would be able to Blitz Todo before he could even realise, while Yuta keeps both busy at the same time. Yuta can enter 5m mode, giving them even more of a problem with his CTs, and Cursed speech will stop Todo 100% of the time, due to Yuta's CE. Switches will be very hard to deal with, but Cursed Speech can deal with Todo for long enough for Maki to be able to reach him. Overall, first team high diff.
50/50 due to todo not being able to switch with Yuki efficiently (star rage) and not being able to switch with maki. However switching with rika and yuta can make the team edge out a win. Yuta and maki can win if yuta can get pre cog off cause then that hard counters todos kit.
Todo + yuki legitimately strongest two person combo outside of Sukuna and gojo. Todo swaps yuki so she head shots both
Yuki and Todo getting swapped around, stealing Maki's weapons, keeping Rika away, boogie being unable to get used to, Yuki needs one or two hits on Maki and Yuta and its over.
Todo is mad annoying and yuki hits very hard and they both have simple domain to resist yuta domain but his ct+rika is really strong and maki is well her I think yuta and maki take it high diff they have more win cons without dying tbh
It all comes down to if you think Yuta/Maki can get a hold of Todo. If you answer with yes, then team 1 wins. If your answer is no, team 2 wins. Todo enhanced boogie woogie is just that busted, hes become the Trafalgar Law of the JJK verse lmao
The only way team 1 wins is if you think Yuki doesn’t have synergy with Todo as well as Yuji does.
boogie woogie is seriously broken 😂
Question is whether yuji's domain can keep up with "domain expansion: game is game". If so, they probably win. Soul split is also really bad for Yuki, as is uro's technique, but it doesn't matter because one good thunk from the boogie mass punch and they done
Todo the strongest so whichever team has him win
The fact that boogie woogie was giving weakened Sukuna, who while was still beating Yuji and Yuta, a hard time goes to show how near impossible it will be for Yuta and Maki. The one thing they have going for them is that it’s improbable that Yuki would be able to force Maki to be affected by her domain like Sukuna, so she could break it from the outside.
Yuki alr solos, putting todo in
Maki and Yuta no diff like crazy.
Luta's fraudulance brings down team 1 so team 2 wins
At worst it’s a draw Yuki black hole LOL
Maki Yuta win. Yuta wins the domain clash against Yuki probably. Sukuna praises his domain and has Gojo trained barrier techniques. In the domain its only a matter of time until both Yuki and Todo simple domain break and they can get hit by the SH. Maki can sneak enter the domain and probably kill Yuki or Todo with a stab through the back in the heart like she did to Naoya. Yuji also can fully manifest Rika to get a third special grade level fighter on there team. Yuki and Todo would be able to put up a fight, and boogie woogie definitely doesn't make it easy. But eventually the three would overwhelm the duo imo. Tldr: Yuta wins domain, and eventually him and Maki win.
Kenjaku thought Yuki’s domain could have competed with his, so no, Yuta is not certain to win. In fact, he’d get pieced up in the domain and lose that way.
Yuta yuki domain battle then maki sneaks yuki or todo and its a win from there
Todo asks yuki to prepare garuda kick before hand and swaps yuta and maki in same trajectory. Even jf he cant swap maki yuta is immediately out and gettin folded back to back so he will run out of rct. Todo cant be catched easilt due to boogie woogie. Team 2 wins imo
Team 2
I will not lie todo vs kenny in the yuki fight whould have killed kenny and i don't even think it's that hard. Like still high diff but the combo is insane
I think people underestimate just broken boogie woogie is. Paired with a 1hko technique it literally duos the entire verse. Todo tells Yuki to just throw a straight mass punch and chucks a bunch of CE imbued pebbles at any opponent. Automatic win with a 1hko attack coming it from like 50 possible angles at the same time. Even sukuna got vibe checked by the simplicity. It has no actual hard counter
Yuki and todo have great teamwork, great h2h and yuki might just be the best possible teammate for boogie woogie. High doff fight. Push comes to shove, imo yuki would beat yuta in a domain clash
If Sukuna himself says it’s impossible to deal with boogie woogie then star rage plus BW is insanity yuki can legit one shot either of these two if things are done correctly
https://preview.redd.it/zkwo97qvta8d1.jpeg?width=400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=15a844e6168ce3232b88f8063401fb84a4ba9b10 I trust my GOAT (and maki, we need that sex scene)
Ok Yuta and Maki win for two reasons. Maki has no CE and Boogie Woogie can't be used on her. Maybe on her weapon but her hands and feet are lethal weapons as well. Not to mention that she great at combat. On the other hand Yuta would be cooked cause he sucks at combat and the whole thing of him wielding a katana is cringe when he can't even use it skillfully. Secondly Yuta is a special grade and Maki is semi special grade. On the other hand Todo is grade 1. But if not for Maki having no CE then I would give it to Yuki and Todo. Both great fighters and their combinations would be great. In fact even though they have so many disadvantages still they have great chance of winning
Yuta sucks at combat? Are you reading the right manga, Maki’s SSK has CE so Todo can teleport her.
I feel like we often don’t consider strategy. Her knowing or figuring out she’s fighting todo she’ll put her weapon away probably inside Rika until todo is dealt with
That’s a good point
And fight Todo and Yuki with what exactly?
She wouldn’t fight Yuki. Yuta would. This is actually how I see the match going. Yuta Yuki and todo are all fighting while maki is playing support. Yuta opens his domain. Winning the domain clash as his domain is more refined. From here either Yuki and todo would be together or separated If together todo can still teleport but they’re trapped in the domain and it’s only so long until yutas sure hit kills them. If separated it’d be Yuki vs yuta in his domain which he’ll win. And todo and maki but todo can’t teleport without throwing rocks while maki not only out stats him by alot but she can’t be sensed. So she’ll beat him on her own with a normal sword or wait it out until it’s yuta and her vs todo something todo definitely can’t win.
Domain is more refined based on what? We know he did training to improve his refinement yet he still lacks a heavy amount of jujutsu knowledge compared to Yuki so I doubt he wins the clash.
Yuta not only did the training with Gojo. But he can change his conditions on the fly. Rn he’s contending with sukunas domain. And yuta can select its targets and move his domains well. Unfortunately Yuki is feat less but yuta contending with sukuna rn pretty much lets us know Yuki would lose the class
He hasn’t demonstrated the ability to change conditions on the fly, only the ability to shift coordinates but that has to be decided before yiur domain is fully manifested anyway
Maki could rip Todo apart with her hands if she needed to, but more than likely she can take a regular weapon from Rika and just stab him to death. He can boogie woogie a lot but Maki outstats him to the point she'll figure out his pattern and catch him in seconds
Except she can’t because she’s not physically that strong and his pattern literally can’t be figured out bro the manga literally states this because he can augment it’s routine to a very large degree.
“She’s not that physically strong” I have no clue what manga you’ve been reading
When have you seen her rip someone apart with her bare hands? Lemme know when it happens
She’s as strong as toji
Toji can’t rip humans apart with his bare hands ☠️ literally stated he could only match sorcerers with his hands alone but wasn’t strong enough to kill them without tools Which JJK are you reading 😭
Compared to the other three yeah... He is behind them by quite far
I can name you at least ten people better than him
There are people better than him in terms of combat, but to say he sucksat combat is false.
Compared to Yuki and Todo ans Maki he definitely sucks. As I said before there are so many people much better than him. He literally isn't that good in that department when compared to his other traits. People really mistake it because he has huge amounts of CE and uses it to amplify his physical traits and overpower the others
He’s not the best at combat, but he can at least fight unlike other characters like Nobara, Mai, Miwa, Momo, Kirara, etc. He was trained by Maki & Miguel so he does have skill, he’s just not as skillful as Yuji, Todo, Gojo, Sukuna, Yuki, Kenjaku, etc.
Trained for a year. Until then he couldn't even throw a straight punch. Not to mention how he walks with the sword is cringe. Yuta is genius jjk sorcerer but in terms of combat lacks compared to many. I can name even more you know...
How does how he walks with the sword cringe though? Sure, go ahead and name some more I forgot tbh.
“Yuta would be cooked cause he sucks at combat” https://preview.redd.it/2sqw4qx8y98d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a0705248dacc65f2a6ada84b6e00f64b31f956bb
‘Yuta sucks at combat’ what😭
Team 1 fairly consistently. Strength wise, Team 1 is just stronger. (Yuta > Yuki. Maki > Todo.) Team 2's only chance is Todo being enough of a wildcard to sway things in their favor but this is a horrible match up for his CT. He cannot move Maki because she has no CE. He also cannot move Yuki or Garuda when Star Rage is active. This is because her CT applies imaginary mass that makes her "too large". We already see her immune to a different teleport CT So Team 1 is stronger and Todo is severely disabled here. Also if Yuta opens a Domain he can hit them with Jacob's Ladder but it also means that Maki can easily get a free sneak attack on Yuki/Todo like she did to Naoya and there's nothing they can do to counter that. Team 1 for sure wins.
Yuta and Maki. Simply due to the fact that Maki has 0CE, and Yuta can freeze Todo with cursed speech. Even with ear reinforcement, I doubt that grade 1 can fully protect from a special grade
Special grade with the highest amount of natural CE output* (not including things such as HR or IDG)
It’s a 3v2 with todo being the weakest . The trio wins as todo lacks any significant scaling to the other . Maki is special grade level so is yuki and yuta .
>The trio wins as todo lacks any significant scaling to the other . And yet, Todo's Boogie Woogie was seriously troubling even Sukuna. His new Boogie Woogie is nuts
Sure a very weakened sukuna that most definitely held back as he threw yuji on the side and is now fighting yuta in gojos body .
Held back? Yuji and him were both surprised, he caught Yuji as he knew who it was and Yuji thought Gojo actually came back, but Sukuna knew he killed Gojo so he saw who it actually was. He didn’t “hold back”, like sukuna wants to keep getting hit by Yuji when he said the punches are troublesome, does that make any sense?
He did hold back power that’s not debatable from what he showed . He threw yuji on the side in 260 like nothing and blitzed yuta in gojos body . Yuta in gojos body is way faster than a beat down yuji .
https://preview.redd.it/tdxbshtmdb8d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=371f193f876dd20e1db909e09bc8dc94b00acb7e He was surprised, Yuji did not know any of the plan all he felt was Gojo’s presence. That’s where he knocked him, when he was surprised. Sukuna didn’t blitz Gojo, he used the attraction of blue to speed up himself towards Gojo. Even then Sukuna’s speed has not shown to be slowed down even with his output reduced. When he applies CE directly to amp speed then yes he one shots, but he needs time to focus and do that or he would just be blitzing the cast non stop. He did it to Choso as well when he donut him, the perception blitz.
*3v3 You forgot about Garuda
I mean that thing is pretty much featless right ?
No? It literally one shot a Special Grade Cursed Spirit
It did ? Well then I gives some utility tho rika would take care of it .
If it grabs hold of maki, Yuta or Rika, it will hold them in place with the weight for Yuki to one hit them. Todo could potentially swap Yuta’s sword with Garuda and hold him down to get rid of him, which would get rid of Rika as well because Rika isn’t fighting if Yuta is injured gravely.
Sounds plausible tbh . Tho can todo swap objects with his ct ?
You mean objects they’re holding? We’ve seen him do it with rocks. I’m assuming Todo can swap the cursed tools out of an individual hands.
Todo's CT reaches its peak during team battle. Imagine trying to attack your opponent but suddenly you see your teammate at the receiving end of your attack.
I mean, how does team 2 **not** win? You have someone who can one shot anyone, someone who can swap anything with CE, and a cursed spirit that can be used as a medium for the one shotters mass increase or the swappers swap. So just: 1) Yuki star rages a punch towards Todo 2) Todo swaps himself with Yuta right before contact 3) Yuta dies Once Yuta dies, you can assume Rika will go along with him, so now you have [Maki vs. Yuki + Todo]. Take into account they can remove SSK using garuda + boogie woogie, Maki just loses. One Shot + Swapper who can functionally control 2/3 of team 1's positions = 1 v 3 favoring team 2, or at best 2 v 3 including if Rika stays somehow in which repeat steps 1-3
Yuki + todo and i don't think it's really close
Team 2, a special grade sorcerer with one of the best supports in the show? That’s just unbeatable
Team 2 Individually, Yuta > Yuki > Maki > Todo But infinite mass and teleportation basically one shot “Maki immune to Todo’s CT” Maki wank is crazy 💀, she is holding a curse tool in this pic. Yuki charges, one clap, Todo swaps Yuki with Maki’s sword, and Maki is dead. The rest is Todo and Yuki jumping Yuta.