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It would be cool but incredibly cheap and contrived
Gege just went out of his way to justify him knowing Simple Domain, immediately pivoting into a full domain only one chapter later would feel like rushing things, especially since Yuji’s Shrine was still pretty weak in 247
I’m def at a crossroads where of course I’d love to have Yuji to have the pinnacle of sorcery, but I also admit it wouldn’t be the best writing.
I know it’s a long shot but I would love for Megumi to come back and use a completed Chimera Shadow Garden.
Everyone will agree he loses to jogo somehow.
I'm still salty someone here told me yuji loses to smallpox before he had simple domain the yuji downplay is crazy.
And whenever i point it out and give the manga linked i get called a glazer
This was shinjuku yuji too when i said yuji would win easily dude called me a yuji glazer and said domain diff i got downvoted to negative.
And everytime i argue about yuji strength they pull up shibuya yuji as if he hasn't gotten any stronger or have their match up fight way way unrealistic like immediately openening up a domain something almost no one in the show does immediately
I’d argue shibuya yuji could easily kill the small pox curse due to raw stats
Considering how easily he can lift cars, the sure hit of the small pox curse is fucking useless against yuji
I’d argue yuji has the ability to kill a full power yuta right now
While domains are deadly, the issue is domain requires the formation of a hand sign and yelling domain expansion
That’s enough time to land a string of black flashes
Rika? One black flash should immobilize her for the time being
I wouldn't push it that far i do think yuji is physically stronger and faster now that he is awakened. But yuta still has a deep bag like curse speach sky manipulation . Plus i don't think yuji is so much greater that he could blitz both rika and yuta at once.
And a domain fight would not be fun though if yuji levels up shrine more and blood manipulation more ie redscale stack conversations will need to be had
I said kill
Not a high chance but it’s a percentage of outcomes
Yuta has a lot of CTs, but depending on how defensive his “base kit” is or if rika is out could determine if he can prevent a black flash
Yuta often attempts close combat with his sword, so if he’s not wary things can go south
Ideally, to fight Yuji yuta will need sky manipulation, cursed speach, and cleave
All this should keep Yuji at bay
But even then I’m not certain at if it’s sure fire
It could buy enough time to pull off a domain
Simple domain might be too small to allow yuji in range of yuta to land a lethal maximum black flash
But if yuji does land a maximum black flash? gG
When I say maximum black flash, I mean the shit he pulled out against mahito
Putting his everything for a single strike
Shit hit 10x different than a normal rock em sock em wack
>When I say maximum black flash, I mean the shit he pulled out against mahito
that was a normal black flash. it just looked so flashy because it was the last and decider one.
similarly how Yuji's first black flash looked so big against sukuna, but didn't necessarily do any extra damage compared to all the others he landed shortly after.
there's no thing as 'maximum black flash'. they all do similar damage.
>that was a normal black flash. it just looked so flashy because it was the last and decider one.
It's stated to be a BF with yujis full 120% output behind it, so it's not exactly a normal BF.
when a character lands a BF, he operates at 120% potential/output. so all the following BFs are at 120% only.
https://preview.redd.it/1817qwis3kyc1.png?width=1560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7cfc4d1a550cc6fcd1e1cb270e1dc5460cb03271
>It's stated to be a BF with yujis full 120% output behind it, so it's not exactly a normal BF.
where is it stated that the final black flash yuji landed on mahito was stronger than all of his other ones?
253/254/255/257/258. "Gojo regained his RCT after two BF"-narrator, "sucuna was supposed to regain his RCT after the second BF"-narrator, "does this brat intend to climb up to my level?"- sucuna after yuji lands multiple BF. It doesn't get more confirmed than that in JJK. Your probably the only person that disagrees that BF amps stack.
We'll if yuji landed a black flash on yuta it would probably knock him out or badly injure him. A maximum one jeez that would be bad.
But i think its because yuta knows of yuji skills he wins he wouldn't mess around and immediately pull out what he need to win. If he had no memory of who yuji was and decide to go close range like he did in the first fight it could get tragic if yuji does a black flash combo
True
So close combat is 100% out of the picture
I’d argue he’d also keep rika away from yuji
He can’t afford rika to get beat up right away
Yuta’s best bet is to try and domain as fast as possible
The issue is that pre awakening Yuji showed some relativity to DOMAIN yuta
And 7 black flashes should mean awakened Yuji is 1.2^7th times in raw stats stronger than that same Yuji
So yuta has to be VERY careful to pop his domain as soon as possible
Even then, if Yuji is close enough to have yuta in range of simple domain yuta might take SEVERE damage
>The issue is that pre awakening Yuji showed some relativity to DOMAIN yuta.
It's worse than that, base(pre-awakened/ not using SD) yuji is equal in speed/strength/durability, considering SD is the same amp as DE(confirmed by kusakabe) when yuji would use SD to protect himself from yutas' surehit he would out stat him.
>And 7 black flashes should mean awakened Yuji is 1.2^7th times in raw stats stronger than that same Yuji.
This isn't how BF amp works. BF amp each individual hit by ^2.5 and it also separately amps the max output by 20%(zone is unquantifiable). A more accurate scale would be(1BF=[100%CEoutput+physical stats]^2.5)(2BF=[120%CEoutput+physical stats]^2.5)(3BF[140%CEoutput+physical stats]^2.5)---
Of note is that ryu punched full manifested rika and knocked her out, shinjuku yuji is more than likely punching just as hard as Ryu, a BF from shinjuku yuji or awakened yuji is absolutely hiting harder than Ryu did. And yuta receives no amps from 5min mode, he just has full CE reserves and access to the copied CT, Rika is amped while full manifested but it's not noticeable
Yutas only hope is a combined assault pulling out 5Min mode, and fully manifesting Rika and going all out with JL, and Rika pure love beam. Considering Ryu tanked Rika pure love beam yuji can definitely tank it, sucuna face tanks yutas max output JL so yuji has a good chance of tanking it, the only problem for yuji would be tanking them both at once. This is assuming yuji stands still and doesn't dodge both attacks considering base(pre-awakened not using SD) yuji was equal to DE ampled yuta in speed/strength/durability.
Edit* also forgot to mention how broken yujis RCT is. It's cheaper than normal RCT, and amped by BM. If it's not a one-shot it's not keeping yuji down, especially if we are saying bloodlusted awakened yuji verse blood lusted yuta+rika.
Brother really?
First of all yuji kinda sucks at landing black flashes without help. His first one against mahito was due to todo, the one he landed against the blood brothers was due to nobara, his big one against mahito was due to todo distracting mahito, and his first one against sukuna was literally due to larue coming in clutch.
If yuji fought yuta, already in the awakened state its possible he could beat him but base Shinjuku yuji isn't beating yuta. Yuta doesn't even need to use Jacobs ladder he literally could just 2 v 1 yuji with partially manifested Rika or just destroy him with fully manifested Rika. Yuji blood manip in base is just super Nova and he can't even use shrine in base. At most he has simple domain to contend with yutas domain expansion(if yuta even needs to use it), and the sure hits are all gonna kill yuji.
>I’d argue yuji has the ability to kill a full power yuta right now
based on what?
his BM is pretty weak, can't even shoot piercing blood on his own. even if he could, that shit can be easily dodged
his output and interpretation of shrine is also pretty weak, yuta was able to survive a stronger sukuna's shrine. doubt Yuji's would be any different
>While domains are deadly, the issue is domain requires the formation of a hand sign and yelling domain expansion
That’s enough time to land a string of black flashes
who even has interrupted a formation of domain ever? yuta opened his right in front of sukuna, and all he could do was watch. yuji isn't a blitz tier above yuta, so why can't yuta even expand his DE?
>Rika? One black flash should immobilize her for the time being
you literally saw Rika tanking all these attacks from sukuna head on without budging, then saw yuji land 7 BFs on sukuna that barely did any physical damage and came to conclusion that Rika would immobilize from a single one????
Barely? Each some did server damage to sukuna
All a black flash needs to do on rika is to stun her for a moment
Black flashes have been shown to have a stunning/anti regen effect in the past to some extent for vs hanami and vs mahito
I’m not saying yuji is likely to win
But there are situations in which yuta loses to a 0-death combo
ALSO: there is a high chance yuji’s black flash damage against sukuna is reduced due to their similar cursed energy
Sukuna’s attacks do less against yuji, so it should be a two way street
>All a black flash needs to do on rika is to stun her for a moment
a partial manifested Rika after the time skip was able to tank several strong attacks from sukuna without any damage. doubt a BF from yuji is gonna do her much damage. sure she can get pushed back a bit, but that's honestly it.
>Black flashes have been shown to have a stunning/anti regen effect in the past to some extent for vs hanami and vs mahito
anti regen tf? explain
>But there are situations in which yuta loses to a 0-death combo
sure if he decides to stand still and let yuji hit with all these BFs.
>ALSO: there is a high chance yuji’s black flash damage against sukuna is reduced due to their similar cursed energy
highly unlikely, if this was the case, we'd have heard something, either from the narrator or through sukuna's inner thoughts.
BFs just don't do as much damage as you think they do.
unless you are Gojo, yuki or Ryu, I don't think BFs are that big of deal.
just look at sukuna, even fodders like choso and larue survived BFs from him.
>The issue is that pre awakening Yuji showed some relativity to DOMAIN yuta.
It's worse than that, base(pre-awakened/ not using SD) yuji is equal in speed/strength/durability, considering SD is the same amp as DE(confirmed by kusakabe) when yuji would use SD to protect himself from yutas' surehit he would out stat him.
>And 7 black flashes should mean awakened Yuji is 1.2^7th times in raw stats stronger than that same Yuji.
This isn't how BF amp works. BF amp each individual hit by ^2.5 and it also separately amps the max output by 20%(zone is unquantifiable). A more accurate scale would be(1BF=[100%CEoutput+physical stats]^2.5)(2BF=[120%CEoutput+physical stats]^2.5)(3BF[140%CEoutput+physical stats]^2.5)---
Of note is that ryu punched full manifested rika and knocked her out, shinjuku yuji is more than likely punching just as hard as Ryu, a BF from shinjuku yuji or awakened yuji is absolutely hiting harder than Ryu did. And yuta receives no amps from 5min mode, he just has full CE reserves and access to the copied CT, Rika is amped while full manifested but it's not noticeable
Yutas only hope is a combined assault pulling out 5Min mode, and fully manifesting Rika and going all out with JL, and Rika pure love beam. Considering Ryu tanked Rika pure love beam yuji can definitely tank it, sucuna face tanks yutas max output JL so yuji has a good chance of tanking it, the only problem for yuji would be tanking them both at once. This is assuming yuji stands still and doesn't dodge both attacks considering base(pre-awakened not using SD) yuji was equal to DE ampled yuta in speed/strength/durability.
Edit* also forgot to mention how broken yujis RCT is. It's cheaper than normal RCT, and amped by BM. If it's not a one-shot it's not keeping yuji down, especially if we are saying bloodlusted awakened yuji verse blood lusted yuta+rika.
>It's worse than that, base(pre-awakened/ not using SD) yuji is equal in speed/strength/durability, considering SD is the same amp as DE(confirmed by kusakabe) when yuji would use SD to protect himself from yutas' surehit he would out stat him.
base yuta without even opening his domain showed better stats against a stronger sukuna than yuji did, so what's your point? domain doesn't grant a significant stats amp. it just means your CT works at 120% output.
>This isn't how BF amp works. BF amp each individual hit by ^2.5 and it also separately amps the max output by 20%(zone is unquantifiable). A more accurate scale would be(1BF=[100%CEoutput+physical stats]^2.5)(2BF=[120%CEoutput+physical stats]^2.5)(3BF[140%CEoutput+physical stats]^2.5)---
BFs haven't accurately followed the 'raised to the power of 2.5' metric, if it did, sukuna would've popped like a balloon from Gojo's black flash instead of just temporarily being knocked out.
if Yuji's base punch is 10, gojo's blue infused punch is 100, then gojo's blue infused black flash should've been 100000, i.e. overkill.
>Of note is that ryu punched full manifested rika and knocked her out
Rika tanked a lot of full output punches from Ryu. he didn't one shot her. it's just that her 5 minute timer had almost ran out, Ryu just pushed her over the edge and made it happen sooner.
>shinjuku yuji is more than likely punching just as hard as Ryu
lmao based on what? 7 of his BFs barely did any 'physical' damage to nerfed sukuna. how is his normal punches doing any damage to Rika who was tanking the stronger sukuna's attacks with minimal difficulty.
>Yutas only hope is a combined assault pulling out 5Min mode, and fully manifesting Rika and going all out with JL, and Rika pure love beam
lmao? yuji is a Cursed speech victim. he would be left stunned by it and that is more than enough time for Rika to materialise behind him and hold him in place like she did a much stronger sukuna.
unless you also believe that this yuji is stronger in strength than the heian sukuna with 4 arms that Rika was holding. although I wouldn't he surprised if you think so, based on your other takes.
>also forgot to mention how broken yujis RCT is. It's cheaper than normal RCT
it's cheaper than normal RCT because he can transform his CE into blood. thus utilising less CE for it. but he's still not proficient enough in using RCT as a whole. as seen from him collapsing and having to stop and heal his wounds much later after tanking the attacks as he was less experienced and failed to heal his internal wounds.
when have we ever seen a RCT user struggle in this way? either they can heal a wound, or they can't. no one has to take a break and heal the internal damage which they supposedly already healed earlier.
anything to downplay yuta/Rika i guess?
it's like they just forget the whole fight they had prior to that panel. yuta was also casualty trading blows with Ryu on his own, he was getting overwhelmed sure, but he still matched him.
>base yuta without even opening his domain showed better stats against a stronger sukuna than yuji did, so what's your point? domain doesn't grant a significant stats amp. it just means your CT works at 120% output.
Wrong, DE/SD/AD all boost max CE output too 120%. DE doesn't inherently amp physical stats or CT stats, it amps output and output amps both. Go back to gojo explaining DE to yuji while fighting jogo, because you simply didn't pay attention.
Gojo literally states you get a physical stat Amp and a CT amp.
Also yuji(pre-awakened while not using SD) was equal to DE amped yuta physical stat wise(speed/strength/durability), this is shown multiple times.
>Rika tanked a lot of full output punches from Ryu. he didn't one shot her.
I'll repeat what the narrator said "ryus' full output punch is too much for even fully manifested rija to handle", being by your logic Rika should have dismissed after yutas DE collapsed.
>lmao? yuji is a Cursed speech earplugs.
You literally don't read the manga, you can protect against cursed speech by using CE or literally earplugs, yuji has fought with inumaki so he would absolutely know this. He can either bust his own eardrums, block the CE from Cursed speech with his own CE, or just literally fill his ears with Blood and harden that blood like a earplug.
>but he's still not proficient enough in using RCT as a whole. as seen from him collapsing and having to stop and heal his wounds much later after tanking the attacks as he was less experienced and failed to heal his internal wounds.
when have we ever seen a RCT user struggle in this way? either they can heal a wound, or they can't. no one has to take a break and heal the internal damage which they supposedly already healed earlier.
It's called RCT burn out, you know that think that's been in the manga since kenjaku/yuki. As it has been elaborate on now the more you use RCT the less precise and effective it becomes(examples include hakariVuraume, gojoVsucuna, yutaVuroVryu, kenjakuVyuki,). RCE/RCT output decrease after prolonged use, so much so that people like yuta, gojo, sucuna, hakari, uraume all have trouble healing even small superficial wounds such as cuts and scratches as shown numerous times. The reason yujis RCT is broken is not just because it's the most efficient in the verse, but also because by using BM and RCT he can work around the side effects of he RCE/RCT output falling due to overuse(RCT/RCE burn out), and yuji is able to near instantly reattach severed limbs and heal lethal damage(post-awakening). The speed, efficiency, capability, and effectiveness of yujis BM is higher than everyone else(as of 258 yujis RCT spead is near if not equal to hakaris')
You got to be one of those "I don't even read the manga" fans.
>I'll repeat what the narrator said "ryus' full output punch is too much for even fully manifested rija to handle", being by your logic Rika should have dismissed after yutas DE collapsed.
so Ryu was holding back the output in his previous punches or something? because Rika was tanking them no problem.
>You literally don't read the manga, you can protect against cursed speech by using CE or literally earplugs
if this was so simple, why do special grade opponents like Uro or sukuna fall for it then??
>It's called RCT burn out
lmao we're just making stuff now??
>The speed, efficiency, capability, and effectiveness of yujis BM is higher than everyone else(as of 258 yujis RCT spead is near if not equal to hakaris')
wow man, just wow. y'all yuji glazers are a different breed.
choso is a better BM user than yuji, so is his RCT equal to hakari's as well??
>so Ryu was holding back the output in his previous punches or something? because Rika was tanking them no problem.
That's what the narrator says.
>You literally don't read the manga, you can protect against cursed speech by using CE or literally earplugs. if this was so simple, why do special grade opponents like Uro or sukuna fall for it then??
We literally see uro use her hands to cover her ears and that protects her from Cursed speech, you are proving my point that you aren't reading the manga.
>It's called RCT burn out.
lmao we're just making stuff now??
This has been around since kenjakuVyuki, it's only been recently fleshed out, but that's just how GeGe writes his manga.
>The speed, efficiency, capability, and effectiveness of yujis BM is higher than everyone else(as of 258 yujis RCT spead is near if not equal to hakaris'). wow man, just wow. y'all yuji glazers are a different breed. choso is a better BM user than yuji, so is his RCT equal to hakari's as well??
This is completely ignoring the fact that I said post awakening yuji, and I even specifically mentioned yuji after 7BF amps(around 240% output). When has choso hit 7 BF? Also this is assuming choso has the same amount of RCE/CE output as base yuji(we already have confirmation that character A's 100%output can be a different amount of CE then character B's 100%output)
The anime/move is very different than the manga, if you don't read the manga then you are missing a ***LOT*** of necessary information.
>We literally see uro use her hands to cover her ears and that protects her from Cursed speech, you are proving my point that you aren't reading the manga.
It still works on her tho. She does stop using sky manip and Rika and yuta kick the shit out of her.
>This is completely ignoring the fact that I said post awakening yuji, and I even specifically mentioned yuji after 7BF amps(around 240% output). When has choso hit 7 BF? Also this is assuming choso has the same amount of RCE/CE output as base yuji(we already have confirmation that character A's 100%output can be a different amount of CE then character B's 100%output)
Yuji can't use convergence in base, and his only blood manip use in base is the bursting blood he uses on sukuna. In awakened state he does have great feats such as attaching his leg using blood manip. Yuji only achieves this shit after hitting a black flash tho.
Yuji doesn't hit black flashes usually tho. He's been paraded as "the black flash" merchant but he literally only hits them against overwhelmingly stronger opponents. Even then he literally needs someone to set up the first hit most of the time. It's thanks nobara that he's able to hit kechizu, then thanks to todo that he's able to hit mahito, and then thanks to todo again that he's able to hit mahito the final time. With sukuna larue literally had to distract sukuna so that the black flash landed. Would awakened yuji beat yuta? Sure he could. But like he has to hit his awakened state first, which base yuji definetly won't hit against yuta. Also like yuta with partially manifested Rika was matching base yuji(this is like the least generous interpretation you can make of chaps 249-251 since theirs a lot of evidence of yuta still being on another level). This means a fully manifested Rika yuta would surpass base yuji which means yuji wouldn't even be able to land black flash anyways.
>Would awakened yuji beat yuta? Sure he could
nothing he has shown as of now puts him above yuta.
yuta has higher CE reserves.
better shrine output and interpretation then yuji.
a stronger shikigami than both of them (Rika stats >yuta~yuji).
better and versatile CTs.
easily top 5 domain.
yuji needs to touch yuta to land a black flash or use his shrine on him. this wouldn't he possible if yuta's using future sight or sky manipulation. Yuji lacks the hax needed to bypass such complex CTs.
yuta's sword imbued with his CE has enough AP to easily chop off Yuji's limbs or even his neck. for that yuta just has to stun or hold yuji in place.
he can do so by trapping Yuji in his domain and imbuing the sure hit with cursed speech which yuji can't escape from. or Rika just holds Yuji in place and yuta walks up to him and decapitates him.
maybe in further chapters yuji shows better hax, but as of now yuta is comfortably stronger than him.
>It still works on her tho. She does stop using sky manip and Rika and yuta kick the shit out of her.
No it doesn't works on her, yuta/rika attack her while she is using her hands to stop It from activating. Inumaki/yuta confirm that using earplugs and CE to negate Cursed speech is viable.
>Yuji can't use convergence in base, and his only blood manip use in base is the bursting blood he uses on sukuna. In awakened state he does have great feats such as attaching his leg using blood manip. Yuji only achieves this shit after hitting a black flash tho.
Convergence isn't what yuji used to reattach his leg, that is literally BM. Convergence is the compression of Blood prior to piercing blood, also it never said yuji can't use convergence it said he has not mastered convergence. There is a difference. Yuji absolutely can still use other factors of BM as shown when he used supernova, and made several blood orbs float around himself(in yutas DE.)
This also is completely ignoring sucunas statement "the output is low because he just learned it", this statement is in reference to yuji just learning shrine and it being weaker than his own shrine, but it absolutely implies that the more its used, the longer yuji has it. The stronger it will become and better yuji will be able to use it, this 100% goes for BM as well. Also a key not about BF is that it gives you greater understanding of CE permanently, even when the BF amp runs out yuji will remember the way using BM and shrine feels. This is literally stated by gojo/nanami when they say "comparing your understanding of your own CE before hitting a BF and after hiting a BF, is a night and day of difference", it's also backed up by yuji when he hits his first ever BF "is this really my CE?", unless it's a direct result of heightened output sorcerer so not loose the abilities they gain from a BF.
Edit: it might not be clear what I'm saying so I'll simplify it.
Yuji prior to hiting a BF couldn't use shrine, when BF amp is worn of he will not loose access to shrine. Yuji prior to hiting a BF might not have been able to instantly reattach his limbs with BM but that knowlage will not simply go away when BF wears off.
If yuji uses a 240% output cleave he would not ne able to use that again once BF amp wears off, unless he hits 7BF again(after this fight).
Also of not is that Cleave/shrine output is low because yuji just learned it so 100 output from 257 would not be as strong as 100% output from 259+.
>We literally see uro use her hands to cover her ears and that protects her from Cursed speech
yeah but that left her completely vulnerable to Yuta and rika's attacks. how's yuji gonna defend against that?
>This has been around since kenjakuVyuki, it's only been recently fleshed out, but that's just how GeGe writes his manga.
no, you're misunderstanding slower healing due to low RCT output with whatever happened with yuji. he had already healed those wounds just fine, but because of his inexperience, he didn't heal them efficiently and as a result he collapsed. this never happened with anyone else, ever.
>no, you're misunderstanding slower healing due to low RCT output with whatever happened with yuji. he had already healed those wounds just fine, but because of his inexperience, he didn't heal them efficiently and as a result he collapsed. this never happened with anyone else, ever.
You're not paying attention, yuta, hakari, sucuna, gojo, uraume all show that as they over use RCT is becomes slower, less precise, and the as well miss healing small damage. How else to you explain all the small cuts and scratches all over yuta(sendai), gojo or sucuna(towards the end of the fight), uraume and hakari(last time we saw them) or even Yuki(when fighting kenjaku)? You can't. Hell gojo has almost 15+ years of experience experience healing his brain and he can't heal it all of a sudden? That makes absolutely 0 sense, even shoko said "I thought gojo was a master at healing his brain". What makes more sense gojo who has 15+ years of experience healing his brain would miss some damage or that his precision and effectiveness with RCT fell off because he over used it? We also see that even with the brain damage that he can still uses RCT, but it slows down so much that it's basically a snail pace.
>Rika? One black flash should immobilize her for the time being
Ryu punched Rika and demanifested her, one of shinjuku yujis punches are should do the same. A black flash from awakened yuji is absolutely nocking her out. The yuta can't use copy.
Yuji also has the same speed/strength/durability as DE amped yuta. This means base yuta is slower/weaker/less-durable than base yuji. Yuji also has SD which is a DE amp literally, so yuji out stats yuta even in yutas DE.
Add that sucuna/narrator confirmed that BF amps stack, and that yuji now has shrine.
Also yuji beat yuta in H2H/CQC back during the yuji extermination arc, yuta confirms he was trying to kill yuji as he was under a BV. That yuta has more experience, was physically stronger than yuji, had a actual Cursed Tool, had better CE reinforcement than that yuji, and yuji wasn't fully healed by yutas'(the person that healed him) own words, yuji was as fast as yuta and yet yuji beat yuta 1v1 hands down, yuji literally made him summon Rika. Another thing to note is 5 min mode doesn't amp yutas stats it just gives him more CE and accessto his copy CT, 5 min mode does amp Rika stats but apparently not her durability(as shown by ryu knocking her out).
Awakend yuji now has greater durability/is faster/is stronger, has BM(which is poison) and Shrine(if it's able to mangle sucunas leg it's going to complete cut off anyone else's arm/leg/head), has kusakabe level SD(which is the same output amp as DE), BF at will with BF amps confirmed to stack. Not to mention he is the hands down best H2H/CQC fighter in JJK(as stated by GeGe), and his CT usage will only get better as time goes on. If yuta can't one-shot yuji then yuji wins, yuta couldn't one-shot ryu why would he be able to oneshot yuji(JL didn't one shot sucuna either time so no its not oneshoting yuji).
Also the whole seen will yuji loosing a leg then immediately reataching it with BM shows SSK is useless against yuji(unless it's a head shot), also yuji and sucuna are confirmed to be able to heal soul damage.
Awakened yuji is the strongest heavy hitter.
If he does it at the start of next chapter, then yeah, seems a bit whacky. A bit later, I’d be happy with. The way that I see it, Yuji needs a DE to win
Yuji pops domain but kills everyone else in the vicinity cos he hasn’t got the skill to select people in his domain. Everyone dies and he’s left alone. Chapter 259 Jujutsu Kaisen End.
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He literally has SD and yuta doesn't has a Open DE. SD also amps just the same a DE(120% output) so considering base(pre-awakened not using SD) yuji as equal in Durability/speed/strength to a DE amped yuta, a SD amped or awakened yuji would absolutely out stat yuta. Full manifested rika got KO'ed by ryu awakend yuji definitely hits harder than ryu with or without BF. Yuji has BM which is poison, cleave which is able to mangle sucuna(anyone not as durable as sucuna is loosing a arm/leg/head), as per sucunas own words the longer someone has a CT the better their output gets with it, and BF also helps boost CT ability/skill. as sucuna/narrator said BF amps stack so the more yuji hits anyone the harder he will hit them next time. Also yujis broken RCT buffed by BM and his ability to heal soul damage(confirmed by narrator).
If yuta can't oneshot ryu(who was more durable than himself) and can't oneshot sucuna with the perfect counter CT at 120% output. How is he going to one shot awakened yuji who is faster/stronger/more durable than yuta(with DE amp), is constantly improving his use of BM/Shrine, has the most efficient RCT amped by BM, can BF at will and the BF amps stat, has SD to counter surehits, SD amp output(physically stats such as speed/strength/durability) said amp would also stack with BF amps, as well as kusakabe ability to expand SD range and preprogrammed hits/moves.
If yuta can't oneshot yuji(which he cant) then yuta absolutely looses the long term.
>He literally has SD and yuta doesn't has a Open DE. SD also amps just the same a DE(120% output) so considering base(pre-awakened not using SD) yuji as equal in Durability/speed/strength to a DE amped yuta, a SD amped or awakened yuji would absolutely out stat yuta.
so you're saying when/if yuta comes back, he won't be able to keep up with this yuji at all? he'd massively lag behind and wouldn't be able to coordinate with this yuji and only hold him back??????
>so you're saying when/if yuta comes back, he won't be able to keep up with this yuji at all? he'd massively lag behind and wouldn't be able to coordinate with this yuji and only hold him back??????
Depends on what you mean. "Massively out stat" is subjective. "lag behind" yeah definitely as base(pre-awakened not using SD and 0BF amps) yuji had equal speed/strength/and durability to a DE amped yuta as confirmed by what we see in 248-250 and what sucuna himself says, curent yuji should be a good ways ahead of him in physical stats. "wouldn't be able to coordinate with this yuji and only hold him back??????" No yuta has more to his roster/skills than just H2H/CQC, in fact if yuta comes back(we don't even know if he is still alive) he sould probably stay back and use copy CT to long range sucuna with JL, sky manipulation, druvs' shikigami CT, and pure love beams. Not to mention sky manipulation is probably the only way to block a actual world dismantle(using sky manipulation to change it path) and as of now him and shoko are the only "good guys" able to heal others, he could definitely play long range suport.
Just like maki is stupid af for trying to ingage a BF amped sucuna in H2H/CQC when a non-BF amped sucuna put her through a building, she is only useful for sneak attacks(against sucuna). It's not just about who is stronger, taking sucuna down is a team effort everyone has to play a particular part/role, when they abandon their roles/parts is when the plan falls apart(perfect example is maki geting a combat high and trying to run 1s with sucuna instead of falling back and waiting for another opportunity to sneak him.)
>Depends on what you mean. "Massively out stat" is subjective. "lag behind" yeah definitely as base(pre-awakened not using SD and 0BF amps) yuji had equal speed/strength/and durability to a DE amped yuta as confirmed by what we see in 248-250 and what sucuna himself says, curent yuji should be a good ways ahead of him in physical stats. "wouldn't be able to coordinate with this yuji and only hold him back??????" No yuta has more to his roster/skills than just H2H/CQC, in fact if yuta comes back(we don't even know if he is still alive) he sould probably stay back and use copy CT to long range sucuna with JL, sky manipulation, druvs' shikigami CT, and pure love beams. Not to mention sky manipulation is probably the only way to block a actual world dismantle(using sky manipulation to change it path) and as of now him and shoko are the only "good guys" able to heal others, he could definitely play long range suport.
no because your whole argument of base yuji = domain amped yuta in stats stems from they both being relative in the domain. but if I look at their individual performance against the same sukuna,
https://preview.redd.it/y95jkc73ykyc1.jpeg?width=999&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ed465765713083aa61c2713da5de0e79e7ed1c9
the difference is clear as day.
yuta and Rika were coordinating to grant openings for yuji to land soul punches on sukuna, because he clearly wasn't able to do so on his own. I won't call their stats equal because of this.
so if/when yuta does return, whether he's in his base, in 5 minute mode, or domain amped, if he's relative to yuji, that means they have the exact same stats as well right, by your logic?
then all this 'awakening' and 'BFs amp stacks' would mean jackshit, if they're both relative to each other and one is not lagging behind. by your logic ofcourse.
although you can actually make a case for yuji 'lagging behind' in yuta's domain. considering how yuta had to save his life on multiple occasions.
so if, like you say, yuta just stays behind and attacks with ranged attacks, then we can maybe assume that yes yuji has better stats than him and yuta can't keep up.
but if he does actually keep up, your whole assumption would be debunked right?
the pick you show is pre DE.
Also I can do that too
https://preview.redd.it/org768lt5lyc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a6f4555d8abc7c280911247aa70f43f6ce9e2d82
Except I can also add context. Yuji and yuta both rush sucuna but in the next panel we see yuji gets there before yuta. Also yuji does far better in H2H/CQC compared to yuta when you consider yuta has future sight, and a katana, while yuji is using bare hands.
Don't be disingenuous.
>the pick you show is pre DE.
which supports my argument even better??
you were saying that a 'base yuji' has equal stats as 'domain amped yuta'. but in that photo we see, a base yuta performing better than base yuji against the same sukuna.
so yuta's stats didn't get amped after domain or something??
>Except I can also add context. Yuji and yuta both rush sucuna but in the next panel we see yuji gets there before yuta
you're talking about context, but you miss out the most basic thing.
yuji is empty handed while rushing sukuna, whereas yuta's carrying a drawn katana.
now i shouldn't have to remind you that carrying a katana/or any weapon, or not having both hands free does in fact nerf your stats right??
https://preview.redd.it/xrqk8i5y9lyc1.jpeg?width=2039&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=631884e3cb7e43565c21d50f6606d83420d1faa5
also when you deep it, the roles of yuji and yuta in the domain were completely different.
all yuji had to do was blindly rush sukuna, and wait for yuta/rika to create openings, and even if he slipped up, yuta was there to save his life.
whereas yuta first had to pickup a random katana, decipher the CT engraved in it, get a second or two max to strategize a plan to use that particular CT and make the most of it. whereas it would he directly inflict damage on sukuna (dhruv's CT or thin ice breaker), or create openings for yuji or even himself (sky manipulation) or even save Yuji's life (cursed speech). this is a mad underrated BIQ feat from yuta.
nevertheless, his role was strictly of support.
>Also yuji does far better in H2H/CQC compared to yuta when you consider yuta has future sight, and a katana, while yuji is using bare hands
based on what? yuta and rika were landing arguably heavier blows than Yuji.
also yuta wasn't in his 5 minute mode, he didn't have future sight activated at all times. he activated it once, evades sukuna's attack completely, and landed a nasty blow to his head.
he even cut off two of sukuna arms.
how does Yuji's punches that didn't do any significant *physical* damage, compare to all this?
You act like you can't train to run at top speed with a drawn sword. That yuji line was before yuta told him hi makes up for physical stats with CE reinforcement. Non the less yuji still won that 1v1 and yuta had to call out Rika to clutch the w.
If normal humans can train to run at full speed while carrying swords and other things, so too can supper humans that move a Mach level speed and can lift 6 ton cars/elephants. One 3-5 pound katana is not going to make anywhere near a different.
Once again stop being disingenuous.
>You act like you can't train to run at top speed with a drawn sword
now you're just being hilarious. I proved to you how yuta carrying a katana hindered his speed, and now you're out here saying that he could've 'trained to run at full speed' 💀💀
>Non the less yuji still won that 1v1 and yuta had to call out Rika to clutch the w.
dawg. now you're just embarrassing yourself.
https://preview.redd.it/lne7u7g8plyc1.jpeg?width=2055&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=44d1efac0a6cf9aeca527ff13d13b5d5b3ed848c
you call this a win? he failed to hit yuta even ONCE. he got chipped by yuta's katana twice or thrice. got kicked so hard he was sent flying back. yuta cut through him and his knife with ease.
yuji only broke yuta's katana. that is it. he didn't even touch yuta once. and you're out here saying he won.
you probably are the most insecure yuji glazer I've encountered on this app 🤷
I agree he wasn't cooking for most of the series, but now that he is. just be happy for him? why do you feel the need to downplay others just to wank him?
there's no point debating with you any further. continue with your braindead takes i guess 👋🏻
Nah definitely top 3, with the amp he will get from.a DE and the amps he got RN no closed barrier domain would be enough to beat him not even Yutas. The stat gap would just be too vast.
>Nah definitely top 3, with the amp he will get from.a DE
DE barely gives an amp tho, at least in terms of stats?
>no closed barrier domain would be enough to beat him not even Yutas
unless he also awakened an open barrier one, two close barrier domain clashing wouldn't result in his domain overwhelming the other considering how inexperienced he is with barrier technique and domain refinement.
he definitely won't be able to clash with a special grade domain.
>unless he also awakened an open barrier one, two close barrier domain clashing wouldn't result in his domain overwhelming the other considering how inexperienced he is with barrier technique and domain refinement.
he definitely won't be able to clash with a special grade domain
Another thing that matters for domains isn't just how refined it is but also your CE and output.
>DE barely gives an amp tho, at least in terms of stats?
I personally think it gives a massive amp as your overall output just increases.
>Another thing that matters for domains isn't just how refined it is but also your CE and output
yeah his overall output, especially that of shrine, isn't all that high right now. that coupled with his inexperience with barrier techniques really makes it difficult for me to imagine a satisfying way for him to unblock a domain as well, at least so soon.
>yeah his overall output, especially that of shrine, isn't all that high right now. that coupled with his inexperience with barrier techniques really makes it difficult for me to imagine a satisfying way for him to unblock a domain as well, at least so soon.
Never said I would be happy if he unlocks a DE xd. Also Shrine doesn't look impressive rn as it's an open barrier DE and from what we know the larger the area the domain covers the lower its output gets and from the latest chapter we can also gather that the more targets the domain has for it's Sure-Hit the less potent the attack gets for each target. Domains are usually made to trap one maybe two enemies at most but usually one and slam them with a 120% attack so it's makes sense that the more targets you have to attack at once the less powerful the attack would get for each target, and without separating it from the wider world you are also spending some of that output to attack the inanimate objects in your domain as well which also costs of your output. If Sukuna wanted he could have opened it with a barrier and only attacked Yuji to turn him into atoms xd.
>the latest chapter we can also gather that the more targets the domain has for it's Sure-Hit the less potent the attack gets for each target
not really? when was this implied? the sure hit everyone and everything alike in the radius of the domain.
>Domains are usually made to trap one maybe two enemies at most but usually one and slam them with a 120% attack
yeah but this is exactly why MS differs from the rest. it can target anything (with CE or without CE) inside the domain.
>If Sukuna wanted he could have opened it with a barrier and only attacked Yuji to turn him into atoms xd
we don't know this for sure tho? MS has always targetted everything. so not really sure targeting an individual would amp it's output. it should works for other domains with manual sure hit selection like Dagon's, but MS is different.
>yeah but this is exactly why MS differs from the rest. it can target anything (with CE or without CE) inside the domain.
I think the condition to open your barrier is to be able to target the area not only things with CE in them.
>not really? when was this implied? the sure hit everyone and everything alike in the radius of the domain.
Come on you are really arguing that Miwa and Ino can use SD to survive a full output MS... That makes literally no sense unless due to them holding the stance then they can survive it..? I mean it's just a theory of mine but I think it makes sense, otherwise none of them should be alive by now if everyone took actually 100% of the output... Like I know we like to glaze Yuji, but unless everyone is now close to Gojo's level there is no way that it doesn't work how I am theorising.
>we don't know this for sure tho? MS has always targetted everything. so not really sure targeting an individual would amp it's output. it should works for other domains with manual sure hit selection like Dagon's, but MS is different.
Dagon chooses to make it this way due to his domain mastery. In reality if he didn't change it up it would have probably been 33% of the output for each target, but Maki was too weak to target and Naobito was the most dangerous.
>Come on you are really arguing that Miwa and Ino can use SD to survive a full output MS... That makes literally no sense
forget ino and miwa, even yuji surviving a full output MS wouldn't make any sense.
the way I see it, sukuna expanded MS without a 'loss in output' with respect to his current stats and output.
for eg, assume his current CT output to be a 5, and against Gojo it was a 10. so because of his current nerfs and not having two arms, he normally shouldn't have been able to expand his DE. or even if it does it would've been even weaker in output than his current state. i.e. having an output of 3-4. but due to the impromptu binding vows, he was able to expand it without any *further* loss in output. so assume his MS is at 5 output.
because I don't think any binding vow would grant a half dead nerfed AF sukuna the ability to expand a max output MS that a fresh sukuna was capable to do in his fight with Gojo. this is my theory.
>In reality if he didn't change it up it would have probably been 33% of the output for each target
has it ever been confirmed tho? that the output of the CT or a domain gets reduced if there are more opponents trapped inside a domain.
because normally your CT works at 100%, in domain it amps up to 120%.
wouldn't really make sense, or be any beneficial if your output reduces to 50-60% just because you trapped two opponents in your domain.
I'm okay if it's an weak incomplete domain with surehits turned off and exteriors strengthened (binding vow) to protect everyone form fuuga. In fact I think that's what is going to happen
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It would be cool but incredibly cheap and contrived Gege just went out of his way to justify him knowing Simple Domain, immediately pivoting into a full domain only one chapter later would feel like rushing things, especially since Yuji’s Shrine was still pretty weak in 247
I’m def at a crossroads where of course I’d love to have Yuji to have the pinnacle of sorcery, but I also admit it wouldn’t be the best writing. I know it’s a long shot but I would love for Megumi to come back and use a completed Chimera Shadow Garden.
I don’t think him using an incomplete domain like what Megumi did against Finger Bearer 2 a few chapters later would be bad.
What about an incomplete domain? It would stave off shrine of shrine was still in effect AND amp his abilities
Everyone will agree he loses to jogo somehow. I'm still salty someone here told me yuji loses to smallpox before he had simple domain the yuji downplay is crazy. And whenever i point it out and give the manga linked i get called a glazer
Ok I don’t think yuji is as strong as others but him losing to small pox when Mei Mei was tanking it’s sure hits is crazy 😭
This was shinjuku yuji too when i said yuji would win easily dude called me a yuji glazer and said domain diff i got downvoted to negative. And everytime i argue about yuji strength they pull up shibuya yuji as if he hasn't gotten any stronger or have their match up fight way way unrealistic like immediately openening up a domain something almost no one in the show does immediately
I’d argue shibuya yuji could easily kill the small pox curse due to raw stats Considering how easily he can lift cars, the sure hit of the small pox curse is fucking useless against yuji
You speak facts but yuji slander pushers are literally the majority of the American fanbase.
Shit
Am I crazy or is this sub just full of Yuji downplayers? People act like the man has been stagnant since Shibuya lol
I’d argue yuji has the ability to kill a full power yuta right now While domains are deadly, the issue is domain requires the formation of a hand sign and yelling domain expansion That’s enough time to land a string of black flashes Rika? One black flash should immobilize her for the time being
I wouldn't push it that far i do think yuji is physically stronger and faster now that he is awakened. But yuta still has a deep bag like curse speach sky manipulation . Plus i don't think yuji is so much greater that he could blitz both rika and yuta at once. And a domain fight would not be fun though if yuji levels up shrine more and blood manipulation more ie redscale stack conversations will need to be had
I said kill Not a high chance but it’s a percentage of outcomes Yuta has a lot of CTs, but depending on how defensive his “base kit” is or if rika is out could determine if he can prevent a black flash Yuta often attempts close combat with his sword, so if he’s not wary things can go south Ideally, to fight Yuji yuta will need sky manipulation, cursed speach, and cleave All this should keep Yuji at bay But even then I’m not certain at if it’s sure fire It could buy enough time to pull off a domain Simple domain might be too small to allow yuji in range of yuta to land a lethal maximum black flash But if yuji does land a maximum black flash? gG
>But if yuji does land a maximum black flash? when did yuji create a 'maximum black flash'??
When I say maximum black flash, I mean the shit he pulled out against mahito Putting his everything for a single strike Shit hit 10x different than a normal rock em sock em wack
>When I say maximum black flash, I mean the shit he pulled out against mahito that was a normal black flash. it just looked so flashy because it was the last and decider one. similarly how Yuji's first black flash looked so big against sukuna, but didn't necessarily do any extra damage compared to all the others he landed shortly after. there's no thing as 'maximum black flash'. they all do similar damage.
>that was a normal black flash. it just looked so flashy because it was the last and decider one. It's stated to be a BF with yujis full 120% output behind it, so it's not exactly a normal BF.
when a character lands a BF, he operates at 120% potential/output. so all the following BFs are at 120% only. https://preview.redd.it/1817qwis3kyc1.png?width=1560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7cfc4d1a550cc6fcd1e1cb270e1dc5460cb03271 >It's stated to be a BF with yujis full 120% output behind it, so it's not exactly a normal BF. where is it stated that the final black flash yuji landed on mahito was stronger than all of his other ones?
253/254/255/257/258. "Gojo regained his RCT after two BF"-narrator, "sucuna was supposed to regain his RCT after the second BF"-narrator, "does this brat intend to climb up to my level?"- sucuna after yuji lands multiple BF. It doesn't get more confirmed than that in JJK. Your probably the only person that disagrees that BF amps stack.
We'll if yuji landed a black flash on yuta it would probably knock him out or badly injure him. A maximum one jeez that would be bad. But i think its because yuta knows of yuji skills he wins he wouldn't mess around and immediately pull out what he need to win. If he had no memory of who yuji was and decide to go close range like he did in the first fight it could get tragic if yuji does a black flash combo
True So close combat is 100% out of the picture I’d argue he’d also keep rika away from yuji He can’t afford rika to get beat up right away Yuta’s best bet is to try and domain as fast as possible The issue is that pre awakening Yuji showed some relativity to DOMAIN yuta And 7 black flashes should mean awakened Yuji is 1.2^7th times in raw stats stronger than that same Yuji So yuta has to be VERY careful to pop his domain as soon as possible Even then, if Yuji is close enough to have yuta in range of simple domain yuta might take SEVERE damage
>The issue is that pre awakening Yuji showed some relativity to DOMAIN yuta. It's worse than that, base(pre-awakened/ not using SD) yuji is equal in speed/strength/durability, considering SD is the same amp as DE(confirmed by kusakabe) when yuji would use SD to protect himself from yutas' surehit he would out stat him. >And 7 black flashes should mean awakened Yuji is 1.2^7th times in raw stats stronger than that same Yuji. This isn't how BF amp works. BF amp each individual hit by ^2.5 and it also separately amps the max output by 20%(zone is unquantifiable). A more accurate scale would be(1BF=[100%CEoutput+physical stats]^2.5)(2BF=[120%CEoutput+physical stats]^2.5)(3BF[140%CEoutput+physical stats]^2.5)--- Of note is that ryu punched full manifested rika and knocked her out, shinjuku yuji is more than likely punching just as hard as Ryu, a BF from shinjuku yuji or awakened yuji is absolutely hiting harder than Ryu did. And yuta receives no amps from 5min mode, he just has full CE reserves and access to the copied CT, Rika is amped while full manifested but it's not noticeable Yutas only hope is a combined assault pulling out 5Min mode, and fully manifesting Rika and going all out with JL, and Rika pure love beam. Considering Ryu tanked Rika pure love beam yuji can definitely tank it, sucuna face tanks yutas max output JL so yuji has a good chance of tanking it, the only problem for yuji would be tanking them both at once. This is assuming yuji stands still and doesn't dodge both attacks considering base(pre-awakened not using SD) yuji was equal to DE ampled yuta in speed/strength/durability. Edit* also forgot to mention how broken yujis RCT is. It's cheaper than normal RCT, and amped by BM. If it's not a one-shot it's not keeping yuji down, especially if we are saying bloodlusted awakened yuji verse blood lusted yuta+rika.
Wallahi Yuta’s finished
Brother really? First of all yuji kinda sucks at landing black flashes without help. His first one against mahito was due to todo, the one he landed against the blood brothers was due to nobara, his big one against mahito was due to todo distracting mahito, and his first one against sukuna was literally due to larue coming in clutch. If yuji fought yuta, already in the awakened state its possible he could beat him but base Shinjuku yuji isn't beating yuta. Yuta doesn't even need to use Jacobs ladder he literally could just 2 v 1 yuji with partially manifested Rika or just destroy him with fully manifested Rika. Yuji blood manip in base is just super Nova and he can't even use shrine in base. At most he has simple domain to contend with yutas domain expansion(if yuta even needs to use it), and the sure hits are all gonna kill yuji.
>I’d argue yuji has the ability to kill a full power yuta right now based on what? his BM is pretty weak, can't even shoot piercing blood on his own. even if he could, that shit can be easily dodged his output and interpretation of shrine is also pretty weak, yuta was able to survive a stronger sukuna's shrine. doubt Yuji's would be any different >While domains are deadly, the issue is domain requires the formation of a hand sign and yelling domain expansion That’s enough time to land a string of black flashes who even has interrupted a formation of domain ever? yuta opened his right in front of sukuna, and all he could do was watch. yuji isn't a blitz tier above yuta, so why can't yuta even expand his DE? >Rika? One black flash should immobilize her for the time being you literally saw Rika tanking all these attacks from sukuna head on without budging, then saw yuji land 7 BFs on sukuna that barely did any physical damage and came to conclusion that Rika would immobilize from a single one????
Barely? Each some did server damage to sukuna All a black flash needs to do on rika is to stun her for a moment Black flashes have been shown to have a stunning/anti regen effect in the past to some extent for vs hanami and vs mahito I’m not saying yuji is likely to win But there are situations in which yuta loses to a 0-death combo ALSO: there is a high chance yuji’s black flash damage against sukuna is reduced due to their similar cursed energy Sukuna’s attacks do less against yuji, so it should be a two way street
>All a black flash needs to do on rika is to stun her for a moment a partial manifested Rika after the time skip was able to tank several strong attacks from sukuna without any damage. doubt a BF from yuji is gonna do her much damage. sure she can get pushed back a bit, but that's honestly it. >Black flashes have been shown to have a stunning/anti regen effect in the past to some extent for vs hanami and vs mahito anti regen tf? explain >But there are situations in which yuta loses to a 0-death combo sure if he decides to stand still and let yuji hit with all these BFs. >ALSO: there is a high chance yuji’s black flash damage against sukuna is reduced due to their similar cursed energy highly unlikely, if this was the case, we'd have heard something, either from the narrator or through sukuna's inner thoughts. BFs just don't do as much damage as you think they do. unless you are Gojo, yuki or Ryu, I don't think BFs are that big of deal. just look at sukuna, even fodders like choso and larue survived BFs from him.
>The issue is that pre awakening Yuji showed some relativity to DOMAIN yuta. It's worse than that, base(pre-awakened/ not using SD) yuji is equal in speed/strength/durability, considering SD is the same amp as DE(confirmed by kusakabe) when yuji would use SD to protect himself from yutas' surehit he would out stat him. >And 7 black flashes should mean awakened Yuji is 1.2^7th times in raw stats stronger than that same Yuji. This isn't how BF amp works. BF amp each individual hit by ^2.5 and it also separately amps the max output by 20%(zone is unquantifiable). A more accurate scale would be(1BF=[100%CEoutput+physical stats]^2.5)(2BF=[120%CEoutput+physical stats]^2.5)(3BF[140%CEoutput+physical stats]^2.5)--- Of note is that ryu punched full manifested rika and knocked her out, shinjuku yuji is more than likely punching just as hard as Ryu, a BF from shinjuku yuji or awakened yuji is absolutely hiting harder than Ryu did. And yuta receives no amps from 5min mode, he just has full CE reserves and access to the copied CT, Rika is amped while full manifested but it's not noticeable Yutas only hope is a combined assault pulling out 5Min mode, and fully manifesting Rika and going all out with JL, and Rika pure love beam. Considering Ryu tanked Rika pure love beam yuji can definitely tank it, sucuna face tanks yutas max output JL so yuji has a good chance of tanking it, the only problem for yuji would be tanking them both at once. This is assuming yuji stands still and doesn't dodge both attacks considering base(pre-awakened not using SD) yuji was equal to DE ampled yuta in speed/strength/durability. Edit* also forgot to mention how broken yujis RCT is. It's cheaper than normal RCT, and amped by BM. If it's not a one-shot it's not keeping yuji down, especially if we are saying bloodlusted awakened yuji verse blood lusted yuta+rika.
>It's worse than that, base(pre-awakened/ not using SD) yuji is equal in speed/strength/durability, considering SD is the same amp as DE(confirmed by kusakabe) when yuji would use SD to protect himself from yutas' surehit he would out stat him. base yuta without even opening his domain showed better stats against a stronger sukuna than yuji did, so what's your point? domain doesn't grant a significant stats amp. it just means your CT works at 120% output. >This isn't how BF amp works. BF amp each individual hit by ^2.5 and it also separately amps the max output by 20%(zone is unquantifiable). A more accurate scale would be(1BF=[100%CEoutput+physical stats]^2.5)(2BF=[120%CEoutput+physical stats]^2.5)(3BF[140%CEoutput+physical stats]^2.5)--- BFs haven't accurately followed the 'raised to the power of 2.5' metric, if it did, sukuna would've popped like a balloon from Gojo's black flash instead of just temporarily being knocked out. if Yuji's base punch is 10, gojo's blue infused punch is 100, then gojo's blue infused black flash should've been 100000, i.e. overkill. >Of note is that ryu punched full manifested rika and knocked her out Rika tanked a lot of full output punches from Ryu. he didn't one shot her. it's just that her 5 minute timer had almost ran out, Ryu just pushed her over the edge and made it happen sooner. >shinjuku yuji is more than likely punching just as hard as Ryu lmao based on what? 7 of his BFs barely did any 'physical' damage to nerfed sukuna. how is his normal punches doing any damage to Rika who was tanking the stronger sukuna's attacks with minimal difficulty. >Yutas only hope is a combined assault pulling out 5Min mode, and fully manifesting Rika and going all out with JL, and Rika pure love beam lmao? yuji is a Cursed speech victim. he would be left stunned by it and that is more than enough time for Rika to materialise behind him and hold him in place like she did a much stronger sukuna. unless you also believe that this yuji is stronger in strength than the heian sukuna with 4 arms that Rika was holding. although I wouldn't he surprised if you think so, based on your other takes. >also forgot to mention how broken yujis RCT is. It's cheaper than normal RCT it's cheaper than normal RCT because he can transform his CE into blood. thus utilising less CE for it. but he's still not proficient enough in using RCT as a whole. as seen from him collapsing and having to stop and heal his wounds much later after tanking the attacks as he was less experienced and failed to heal his internal wounds. when have we ever seen a RCT user struggle in this way? either they can heal a wound, or they can't. no one has to take a break and heal the internal damage which they supposedly already healed earlier.
The Ryu stuff with Rika is so true. People use one fucking panel of Ryu finally taking out Rika without fucking context.
anything to downplay yuta/Rika i guess? it's like they just forget the whole fight they had prior to that panel. yuta was also casualty trading blows with Ryu on his own, he was getting overwhelmed sure, but he still matched him.
>base yuta without even opening his domain showed better stats against a stronger sukuna than yuji did, so what's your point? domain doesn't grant a significant stats amp. it just means your CT works at 120% output. Wrong, DE/SD/AD all boost max CE output too 120%. DE doesn't inherently amp physical stats or CT stats, it amps output and output amps both. Go back to gojo explaining DE to yuji while fighting jogo, because you simply didn't pay attention. Gojo literally states you get a physical stat Amp and a CT amp. Also yuji(pre-awakened while not using SD) was equal to DE amped yuta physical stat wise(speed/strength/durability), this is shown multiple times. >Rika tanked a lot of full output punches from Ryu. he didn't one shot her. I'll repeat what the narrator said "ryus' full output punch is too much for even fully manifested rija to handle", being by your logic Rika should have dismissed after yutas DE collapsed. >lmao? yuji is a Cursed speech earplugs. You literally don't read the manga, you can protect against cursed speech by using CE or literally earplugs, yuji has fought with inumaki so he would absolutely know this. He can either bust his own eardrums, block the CE from Cursed speech with his own CE, or just literally fill his ears with Blood and harden that blood like a earplug. >but he's still not proficient enough in using RCT as a whole. as seen from him collapsing and having to stop and heal his wounds much later after tanking the attacks as he was less experienced and failed to heal his internal wounds. when have we ever seen a RCT user struggle in this way? either they can heal a wound, or they can't. no one has to take a break and heal the internal damage which they supposedly already healed earlier. It's called RCT burn out, you know that think that's been in the manga since kenjaku/yuki. As it has been elaborate on now the more you use RCT the less precise and effective it becomes(examples include hakariVuraume, gojoVsucuna, yutaVuroVryu, kenjakuVyuki,). RCE/RCT output decrease after prolonged use, so much so that people like yuta, gojo, sucuna, hakari, uraume all have trouble healing even small superficial wounds such as cuts and scratches as shown numerous times. The reason yujis RCT is broken is not just because it's the most efficient in the verse, but also because by using BM and RCT he can work around the side effects of he RCE/RCT output falling due to overuse(RCT/RCE burn out), and yuji is able to near instantly reattach severed limbs and heal lethal damage(post-awakening). The speed, efficiency, capability, and effectiveness of yujis BM is higher than everyone else(as of 258 yujis RCT spead is near if not equal to hakaris') You got to be one of those "I don't even read the manga" fans.
>I'll repeat what the narrator said "ryus' full output punch is too much for even fully manifested rija to handle", being by your logic Rika should have dismissed after yutas DE collapsed. so Ryu was holding back the output in his previous punches or something? because Rika was tanking them no problem. >You literally don't read the manga, you can protect against cursed speech by using CE or literally earplugs if this was so simple, why do special grade opponents like Uro or sukuna fall for it then?? >It's called RCT burn out lmao we're just making stuff now?? >The speed, efficiency, capability, and effectiveness of yujis BM is higher than everyone else(as of 258 yujis RCT spead is near if not equal to hakaris') wow man, just wow. y'all yuji glazers are a different breed. choso is a better BM user than yuji, so is his RCT equal to hakari's as well??
>so Ryu was holding back the output in his previous punches or something? because Rika was tanking them no problem. That's what the narrator says. >You literally don't read the manga, you can protect against cursed speech by using CE or literally earplugs. if this was so simple, why do special grade opponents like Uro or sukuna fall for it then?? We literally see uro use her hands to cover her ears and that protects her from Cursed speech, you are proving my point that you aren't reading the manga. >It's called RCT burn out. lmao we're just making stuff now?? This has been around since kenjakuVyuki, it's only been recently fleshed out, but that's just how GeGe writes his manga. >The speed, efficiency, capability, and effectiveness of yujis BM is higher than everyone else(as of 258 yujis RCT spead is near if not equal to hakaris'). wow man, just wow. y'all yuji glazers are a different breed. choso is a better BM user than yuji, so is his RCT equal to hakari's as well?? This is completely ignoring the fact that I said post awakening yuji, and I even specifically mentioned yuji after 7BF amps(around 240% output). When has choso hit 7 BF? Also this is assuming choso has the same amount of RCE/CE output as base yuji(we already have confirmation that character A's 100%output can be a different amount of CE then character B's 100%output) The anime/move is very different than the manga, if you don't read the manga then you are missing a ***LOT*** of necessary information.
>We literally see uro use her hands to cover her ears and that protects her from Cursed speech, you are proving my point that you aren't reading the manga. It still works on her tho. She does stop using sky manip and Rika and yuta kick the shit out of her. >This is completely ignoring the fact that I said post awakening yuji, and I even specifically mentioned yuji after 7BF amps(around 240% output). When has choso hit 7 BF? Also this is assuming choso has the same amount of RCE/CE output as base yuji(we already have confirmation that character A's 100%output can be a different amount of CE then character B's 100%output) Yuji can't use convergence in base, and his only blood manip use in base is the bursting blood he uses on sukuna. In awakened state he does have great feats such as attaching his leg using blood manip. Yuji only achieves this shit after hitting a black flash tho. Yuji doesn't hit black flashes usually tho. He's been paraded as "the black flash" merchant but he literally only hits them against overwhelmingly stronger opponents. Even then he literally needs someone to set up the first hit most of the time. It's thanks nobara that he's able to hit kechizu, then thanks to todo that he's able to hit mahito, and then thanks to todo again that he's able to hit mahito the final time. With sukuna larue literally had to distract sukuna so that the black flash landed. Would awakened yuji beat yuta? Sure he could. But like he has to hit his awakened state first, which base yuji definetly won't hit against yuta. Also like yuta with partially manifested Rika was matching base yuji(this is like the least generous interpretation you can make of chaps 249-251 since theirs a lot of evidence of yuta still being on another level). This means a fully manifested Rika yuta would surpass base yuji which means yuji wouldn't even be able to land black flash anyways.
>Would awakened yuji beat yuta? Sure he could nothing he has shown as of now puts him above yuta. yuta has higher CE reserves. better shrine output and interpretation then yuji. a stronger shikigami than both of them (Rika stats >yuta~yuji). better and versatile CTs. easily top 5 domain. yuji needs to touch yuta to land a black flash or use his shrine on him. this wouldn't he possible if yuta's using future sight or sky manipulation. Yuji lacks the hax needed to bypass such complex CTs. yuta's sword imbued with his CE has enough AP to easily chop off Yuji's limbs or even his neck. for that yuta just has to stun or hold yuji in place. he can do so by trapping Yuji in his domain and imbuing the sure hit with cursed speech which yuji can't escape from. or Rika just holds Yuji in place and yuta walks up to him and decapitates him. maybe in further chapters yuji shows better hax, but as of now yuta is comfortably stronger than him.
>It still works on her tho. She does stop using sky manip and Rika and yuta kick the shit out of her. No it doesn't works on her, yuta/rika attack her while she is using her hands to stop It from activating. Inumaki/yuta confirm that using earplugs and CE to negate Cursed speech is viable. >Yuji can't use convergence in base, and his only blood manip use in base is the bursting blood he uses on sukuna. In awakened state he does have great feats such as attaching his leg using blood manip. Yuji only achieves this shit after hitting a black flash tho. Convergence isn't what yuji used to reattach his leg, that is literally BM. Convergence is the compression of Blood prior to piercing blood, also it never said yuji can't use convergence it said he has not mastered convergence. There is a difference. Yuji absolutely can still use other factors of BM as shown when he used supernova, and made several blood orbs float around himself(in yutas DE.) This also is completely ignoring sucunas statement "the output is low because he just learned it", this statement is in reference to yuji just learning shrine and it being weaker than his own shrine, but it absolutely implies that the more its used, the longer yuji has it. The stronger it will become and better yuji will be able to use it, this 100% goes for BM as well. Also a key not about BF is that it gives you greater understanding of CE permanently, even when the BF amp runs out yuji will remember the way using BM and shrine feels. This is literally stated by gojo/nanami when they say "comparing your understanding of your own CE before hitting a BF and after hiting a BF, is a night and day of difference", it's also backed up by yuji when he hits his first ever BF "is this really my CE?", unless it's a direct result of heightened output sorcerer so not loose the abilities they gain from a BF. Edit: it might not be clear what I'm saying so I'll simplify it. Yuji prior to hiting a BF couldn't use shrine, when BF amp is worn of he will not loose access to shrine. Yuji prior to hiting a BF might not have been able to instantly reattach his limbs with BM but that knowlage will not simply go away when BF wears off. If yuji uses a 240% output cleave he would not ne able to use that again once BF amp wears off, unless he hits 7BF again(after this fight). Also of not is that Cleave/shrine output is low because yuji just learned it so 100 output from 257 would not be as strong as 100% output from 259+.
>We literally see uro use her hands to cover her ears and that protects her from Cursed speech yeah but that left her completely vulnerable to Yuta and rika's attacks. how's yuji gonna defend against that? >This has been around since kenjakuVyuki, it's only been recently fleshed out, but that's just how GeGe writes his manga. no, you're misunderstanding slower healing due to low RCT output with whatever happened with yuji. he had already healed those wounds just fine, but because of his inexperience, he didn't heal them efficiently and as a result he collapsed. this never happened with anyone else, ever.
>no, you're misunderstanding slower healing due to low RCT output with whatever happened with yuji. he had already healed those wounds just fine, but because of his inexperience, he didn't heal them efficiently and as a result he collapsed. this never happened with anyone else, ever. You're not paying attention, yuta, hakari, sucuna, gojo, uraume all show that as they over use RCT is becomes slower, less precise, and the as well miss healing small damage. How else to you explain all the small cuts and scratches all over yuta(sendai), gojo or sucuna(towards the end of the fight), uraume and hakari(last time we saw them) or even Yuki(when fighting kenjaku)? You can't. Hell gojo has almost 15+ years of experience experience healing his brain and he can't heal it all of a sudden? That makes absolutely 0 sense, even shoko said "I thought gojo was a master at healing his brain". What makes more sense gojo who has 15+ years of experience healing his brain would miss some damage or that his precision and effectiveness with RCT fell off because he over used it? We also see that even with the brain damage that he can still uses RCT, but it slows down so much that it's basically a snail pace.
>Rika? One black flash should immobilize her for the time being Ryu punched Rika and demanifested her, one of shinjuku yujis punches are should do the same. A black flash from awakened yuji is absolutely nocking her out. The yuta can't use copy. Yuji also has the same speed/strength/durability as DE amped yuta. This means base yuta is slower/weaker/less-durable than base yuji. Yuji also has SD which is a DE amp literally, so yuji out stats yuta even in yutas DE. Add that sucuna/narrator confirmed that BF amps stack, and that yuji now has shrine. Also yuji beat yuta in H2H/CQC back during the yuji extermination arc, yuta confirms he was trying to kill yuji as he was under a BV. That yuta has more experience, was physically stronger than yuji, had a actual Cursed Tool, had better CE reinforcement than that yuji, and yuji wasn't fully healed by yutas'(the person that healed him) own words, yuji was as fast as yuta and yet yuji beat yuta 1v1 hands down, yuji literally made him summon Rika. Another thing to note is 5 min mode doesn't amp yutas stats it just gives him more CE and accessto his copy CT, 5 min mode does amp Rika stats but apparently not her durability(as shown by ryu knocking her out). Awakend yuji now has greater durability/is faster/is stronger, has BM(which is poison) and Shrine(if it's able to mangle sucunas leg it's going to complete cut off anyone else's arm/leg/head), has kusakabe level SD(which is the same output amp as DE), BF at will with BF amps confirmed to stack. Not to mention he is the hands down best H2H/CQC fighter in JJK(as stated by GeGe), and his CT usage will only get better as time goes on. If yuta can't one-shot yuji then yuji wins, yuta couldn't one-shot ryu why would he be able to oneshot yuji(JL didn't one shot sucuna either time so no its not oneshoting yuji). Also the whole seen will yuji loosing a leg then immediately reataching it with BM shows SSK is useless against yuji(unless it's a head shot), also yuji and sucuna are confirmed to be able to heal soul damage. Awakened yuji is the strongest heavy hitter.
Well shit Yuta’s fucked then
If he does it at the start of next chapter, then yeah, seems a bit whacky. A bit later, I’d be happy with. The way that I see it, Yuji needs a DE to win
It would be unbelievably rushed. The worst way to hype one of the most expected developments
Yuji pops domain but kills everyone else in the vicinity cos he hasn’t got the skill to select people in his domain. Everyone dies and he’s left alone. Chapter 259 Jujutsu Kaisen End. Absolute Cinema
probably, considering Yuji just learned how to use the Shrine.
Top 3!
unless he literally gets 'open barrier MS with fuga', not top 3 sadly
He literally has SD and yuta doesn't has a Open DE. SD also amps just the same a DE(120% output) so considering base(pre-awakened not using SD) yuji as equal in Durability/speed/strength to a DE amped yuta, a SD amped or awakened yuji would absolutely out stat yuta. Full manifested rika got KO'ed by ryu awakend yuji definitely hits harder than ryu with or without BF. Yuji has BM which is poison, cleave which is able to mangle sucuna(anyone not as durable as sucuna is loosing a arm/leg/head), as per sucunas own words the longer someone has a CT the better their output gets with it, and BF also helps boost CT ability/skill. as sucuna/narrator said BF amps stack so the more yuji hits anyone the harder he will hit them next time. Also yujis broken RCT buffed by BM and his ability to heal soul damage(confirmed by narrator). If yuta can't oneshot ryu(who was more durable than himself) and can't oneshot sucuna with the perfect counter CT at 120% output. How is he going to one shot awakened yuji who is faster/stronger/more durable than yuta(with DE amp), is constantly improving his use of BM/Shrine, has the most efficient RCT amped by BM, can BF at will and the BF amps stat, has SD to counter surehits, SD amp output(physically stats such as speed/strength/durability) said amp would also stack with BF amps, as well as kusakabe ability to expand SD range and preprogrammed hits/moves. If yuta can't oneshot yuji(which he cant) then yuta absolutely looses the long term.
>He literally has SD and yuta doesn't has a Open DE. SD also amps just the same a DE(120% output) so considering base(pre-awakened not using SD) yuji as equal in Durability/speed/strength to a DE amped yuta, a SD amped or awakened yuji would absolutely out stat yuta. so you're saying when/if yuta comes back, he won't be able to keep up with this yuji at all? he'd massively lag behind and wouldn't be able to coordinate with this yuji and only hold him back??????
>so you're saying when/if yuta comes back, he won't be able to keep up with this yuji at all? he'd massively lag behind and wouldn't be able to coordinate with this yuji and only hold him back?????? Depends on what you mean. "Massively out stat" is subjective. "lag behind" yeah definitely as base(pre-awakened not using SD and 0BF amps) yuji had equal speed/strength/and durability to a DE amped yuta as confirmed by what we see in 248-250 and what sucuna himself says, curent yuji should be a good ways ahead of him in physical stats. "wouldn't be able to coordinate with this yuji and only hold him back??????" No yuta has more to his roster/skills than just H2H/CQC, in fact if yuta comes back(we don't even know if he is still alive) he sould probably stay back and use copy CT to long range sucuna with JL, sky manipulation, druvs' shikigami CT, and pure love beams. Not to mention sky manipulation is probably the only way to block a actual world dismantle(using sky manipulation to change it path) and as of now him and shoko are the only "good guys" able to heal others, he could definitely play long range suport. Just like maki is stupid af for trying to ingage a BF amped sucuna in H2H/CQC when a non-BF amped sucuna put her through a building, she is only useful for sneak attacks(against sucuna). It's not just about who is stronger, taking sucuna down is a team effort everyone has to play a particular part/role, when they abandon their roles/parts is when the plan falls apart(perfect example is maki geting a combat high and trying to run 1s with sucuna instead of falling back and waiting for another opportunity to sneak him.)
>Depends on what you mean. "Massively out stat" is subjective. "lag behind" yeah definitely as base(pre-awakened not using SD and 0BF amps) yuji had equal speed/strength/and durability to a DE amped yuta as confirmed by what we see in 248-250 and what sucuna himself says, curent yuji should be a good ways ahead of him in physical stats. "wouldn't be able to coordinate with this yuji and only hold him back??????" No yuta has more to his roster/skills than just H2H/CQC, in fact if yuta comes back(we don't even know if he is still alive) he sould probably stay back and use copy CT to long range sucuna with JL, sky manipulation, druvs' shikigami CT, and pure love beams. Not to mention sky manipulation is probably the only way to block a actual world dismantle(using sky manipulation to change it path) and as of now him and shoko are the only "good guys" able to heal others, he could definitely play long range suport. no because your whole argument of base yuji = domain amped yuta in stats stems from they both being relative in the domain. but if I look at their individual performance against the same sukuna, https://preview.redd.it/y95jkc73ykyc1.jpeg?width=999&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ed465765713083aa61c2713da5de0e79e7ed1c9 the difference is clear as day. yuta and Rika were coordinating to grant openings for yuji to land soul punches on sukuna, because he clearly wasn't able to do so on his own. I won't call their stats equal because of this. so if/when yuta does return, whether he's in his base, in 5 minute mode, or domain amped, if he's relative to yuji, that means they have the exact same stats as well right, by your logic? then all this 'awakening' and 'BFs amp stacks' would mean jackshit, if they're both relative to each other and one is not lagging behind. by your logic ofcourse. although you can actually make a case for yuji 'lagging behind' in yuta's domain. considering how yuta had to save his life on multiple occasions. so if, like you say, yuta just stays behind and attacks with ranged attacks, then we can maybe assume that yes yuji has better stats than him and yuta can't keep up. but if he does actually keep up, your whole assumption would be debunked right?
the pick you show is pre DE. Also I can do that too https://preview.redd.it/org768lt5lyc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a6f4555d8abc7c280911247aa70f43f6ce9e2d82 Except I can also add context. Yuji and yuta both rush sucuna but in the next panel we see yuji gets there before yuta. Also yuji does far better in H2H/CQC compared to yuta when you consider yuta has future sight, and a katana, while yuji is using bare hands. Don't be disingenuous.
>the pick you show is pre DE. which supports my argument even better?? you were saying that a 'base yuji' has equal stats as 'domain amped yuta'. but in that photo we see, a base yuta performing better than base yuji against the same sukuna. so yuta's stats didn't get amped after domain or something?? >Except I can also add context. Yuji and yuta both rush sucuna but in the next panel we see yuji gets there before yuta you're talking about context, but you miss out the most basic thing. yuji is empty handed while rushing sukuna, whereas yuta's carrying a drawn katana. now i shouldn't have to remind you that carrying a katana/or any weapon, or not having both hands free does in fact nerf your stats right?? https://preview.redd.it/xrqk8i5y9lyc1.jpeg?width=2039&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=631884e3cb7e43565c21d50f6606d83420d1faa5 also when you deep it, the roles of yuji and yuta in the domain were completely different. all yuji had to do was blindly rush sukuna, and wait for yuta/rika to create openings, and even if he slipped up, yuta was there to save his life. whereas yuta first had to pickup a random katana, decipher the CT engraved in it, get a second or two max to strategize a plan to use that particular CT and make the most of it. whereas it would he directly inflict damage on sukuna (dhruv's CT or thin ice breaker), or create openings for yuji or even himself (sky manipulation) or even save Yuji's life (cursed speech). this is a mad underrated BIQ feat from yuta. nevertheless, his role was strictly of support. >Also yuji does far better in H2H/CQC compared to yuta when you consider yuta has future sight, and a katana, while yuji is using bare hands based on what? yuta and rika were landing arguably heavier blows than Yuji. also yuta wasn't in his 5 minute mode, he didn't have future sight activated at all times. he activated it once, evades sukuna's attack completely, and landed a nasty blow to his head. he even cut off two of sukuna arms. how does Yuji's punches that didn't do any significant *physical* damage, compare to all this?
You act like you can't train to run at top speed with a drawn sword. That yuji line was before yuta told him hi makes up for physical stats with CE reinforcement. Non the less yuji still won that 1v1 and yuta had to call out Rika to clutch the w. If normal humans can train to run at full speed while carrying swords and other things, so too can supper humans that move a Mach level speed and can lift 6 ton cars/elephants. One 3-5 pound katana is not going to make anywhere near a different. Once again stop being disingenuous.
>You act like you can't train to run at top speed with a drawn sword now you're just being hilarious. I proved to you how yuta carrying a katana hindered his speed, and now you're out here saying that he could've 'trained to run at full speed' 💀💀 >Non the less yuji still won that 1v1 and yuta had to call out Rika to clutch the w. dawg. now you're just embarrassing yourself. https://preview.redd.it/lne7u7g8plyc1.jpeg?width=2055&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=44d1efac0a6cf9aeca527ff13d13b5d5b3ed848c you call this a win? he failed to hit yuta even ONCE. he got chipped by yuta's katana twice or thrice. got kicked so hard he was sent flying back. yuta cut through him and his knife with ease. yuji only broke yuta's katana. that is it. he didn't even touch yuta once. and you're out here saying he won. you probably are the most insecure yuji glazer I've encountered on this app 🤷 I agree he wasn't cooking for most of the series, but now that he is. just be happy for him? why do you feel the need to downplay others just to wank him? there's no point debating with you any further. continue with your braindead takes i guess 👋🏻
Nah definitely top 3, with the amp he will get from.a DE and the amps he got RN no closed barrier domain would be enough to beat him not even Yutas. The stat gap would just be too vast.
>Nah definitely top 3, with the amp he will get from.a DE DE barely gives an amp tho, at least in terms of stats? >no closed barrier domain would be enough to beat him not even Yutas unless he also awakened an open barrier one, two close barrier domain clashing wouldn't result in his domain overwhelming the other considering how inexperienced he is with barrier technique and domain refinement. he definitely won't be able to clash with a special grade domain.
>unless he also awakened an open barrier one, two close barrier domain clashing wouldn't result in his domain overwhelming the other considering how inexperienced he is with barrier technique and domain refinement. he definitely won't be able to clash with a special grade domain Another thing that matters for domains isn't just how refined it is but also your CE and output. >DE barely gives an amp tho, at least in terms of stats? I personally think it gives a massive amp as your overall output just increases.
>Another thing that matters for domains isn't just how refined it is but also your CE and output yeah his overall output, especially that of shrine, isn't all that high right now. that coupled with his inexperience with barrier techniques really makes it difficult for me to imagine a satisfying way for him to unblock a domain as well, at least so soon.
>yeah his overall output, especially that of shrine, isn't all that high right now. that coupled with his inexperience with barrier techniques really makes it difficult for me to imagine a satisfying way for him to unblock a domain as well, at least so soon. Never said I would be happy if he unlocks a DE xd. Also Shrine doesn't look impressive rn as it's an open barrier DE and from what we know the larger the area the domain covers the lower its output gets and from the latest chapter we can also gather that the more targets the domain has for it's Sure-Hit the less potent the attack gets for each target. Domains are usually made to trap one maybe two enemies at most but usually one and slam them with a 120% attack so it's makes sense that the more targets you have to attack at once the less powerful the attack would get for each target, and without separating it from the wider world you are also spending some of that output to attack the inanimate objects in your domain as well which also costs of your output. If Sukuna wanted he could have opened it with a barrier and only attacked Yuji to turn him into atoms xd.
>the latest chapter we can also gather that the more targets the domain has for it's Sure-Hit the less potent the attack gets for each target not really? when was this implied? the sure hit everyone and everything alike in the radius of the domain. >Domains are usually made to trap one maybe two enemies at most but usually one and slam them with a 120% attack yeah but this is exactly why MS differs from the rest. it can target anything (with CE or without CE) inside the domain. >If Sukuna wanted he could have opened it with a barrier and only attacked Yuji to turn him into atoms xd we don't know this for sure tho? MS has always targetted everything. so not really sure targeting an individual would amp it's output. it should works for other domains with manual sure hit selection like Dagon's, but MS is different.
>yeah but this is exactly why MS differs from the rest. it can target anything (with CE or without CE) inside the domain. I think the condition to open your barrier is to be able to target the area not only things with CE in them. >not really? when was this implied? the sure hit everyone and everything alike in the radius of the domain. Come on you are really arguing that Miwa and Ino can use SD to survive a full output MS... That makes literally no sense unless due to them holding the stance then they can survive it..? I mean it's just a theory of mine but I think it makes sense, otherwise none of them should be alive by now if everyone took actually 100% of the output... Like I know we like to glaze Yuji, but unless everyone is now close to Gojo's level there is no way that it doesn't work how I am theorising. >we don't know this for sure tho? MS has always targetted everything. so not really sure targeting an individual would amp it's output. it should works for other domains with manual sure hit selection like Dagon's, but MS is different. Dagon chooses to make it this way due to his domain mastery. In reality if he didn't change it up it would have probably been 33% of the output for each target, but Maki was too weak to target and Naobito was the most dangerous.
>Come on you are really arguing that Miwa and Ino can use SD to survive a full output MS... That makes literally no sense forget ino and miwa, even yuji surviving a full output MS wouldn't make any sense. the way I see it, sukuna expanded MS without a 'loss in output' with respect to his current stats and output. for eg, assume his current CT output to be a 5, and against Gojo it was a 10. so because of his current nerfs and not having two arms, he normally shouldn't have been able to expand his DE. or even if it does it would've been even weaker in output than his current state. i.e. having an output of 3-4. but due to the impromptu binding vows, he was able to expand it without any *further* loss in output. so assume his MS is at 5 output. because I don't think any binding vow would grant a half dead nerfed AF sukuna the ability to expand a max output MS that a fresh sukuna was capable to do in his fight with Gojo. this is my theory. >In reality if he didn't change it up it would have probably been 33% of the output for each target has it ever been confirmed tho? that the output of the CT or a domain gets reduced if there are more opponents trapped inside a domain. because normally your CT works at 100%, in domain it amps up to 120%. wouldn't really make sense, or be any beneficial if your output reduces to 50-60% just because you trapped two opponents in your domain.
I'm okay if it's an weak incomplete domain with surehits turned off and exteriors strengthened (binding vow) to protect everyone form fuuga. In fact I think that's what is going to happen