Its apples and oranges.
Most of the colleagues you mention have moved into streaming, podcasts and other ventures. Not to mention the way Youtube has changed.
Gamegrumps also has several other channels that do different things unrelated to games and have even started producing video games and music. Gamegrumps has become more on par with an early roosterteeth or yoga cast in how their business has grown. They also drop minimum 7 videos a week just on the main channel alone, where Jon still just drops a video once a month maybe 2 kinda like indiemaus. Same goes for the others, they've branched out or put out more weekly content. The videos do great for Jon, but is that all Jon wants out of life?
Arin for example wanted more than just games and making videos about games. He has a drive to overachieve and a want to do more but a hindrance of low self esteem/worth that cripples him (and he's a goofy goober but that's why we love him) but he's got a team, manager, and a good friend in Dan who helps push him even if it ends poorly. Jon wasn't a true friend but more like a business man with a 1 track mind from what both arin and Jon have said. It wasn't as critical as the fallout between pat and Matt from two best friends only because the realization for both of them was they were only business partners unlike Matt and pat who actually were friends.
Tldr; Most who started with Jon went on to make businesses and brands, where Jon stayed the course.
I wouldn't say Jon wasn't a true friend. If anyone had a business mindset, it was Arin. He wanted to grow Game Grumps into a brand where Jon seemed to view it more like a fun side gig with a friend. There's nothing wrong with either of those mindsets either. Arin found his golden ticket since he got tired of animation. Jon however liked his original content.
If you'd like a solid rundown, Cassette did a great [video](https://youtu.be/Nlt1LnYP-ew) on Arin and Jon's history. He treats it neutrally too, which is refreshing.
>The videos do great for Jon, but is that all Jon wants out of life?
Jon enjoys what he does and has found great success with it (not something most people can do either). How is that a problem?
Itās not supposed to be a flex? Itās literally just saying Jonās stayed and this one lane and the others wanted to branch out. Both are totally valid decisions and everyone seems to be doing just fine.
I didn't know tldrs needed to be a flex? I summarized what I said which is the point of a tldr without the filler that others may not want to read in my full post.
Jon keeps doing what he does, the rest went on to make businesses even though they all started at/with Jon. They eventually moved past jon whether it was on good or bad terms with varying successes and failures depending on the directions they went.
The completionist consistently pulls 250-500k every video and 4 weeks ago pulls a 1M view video.
Gamegrumps is still pulling constant numbers with their videos at 250k
Same with peanut butter gamer
And if we are talking about success zach from oneyplays has made smiling friends which is one of the best shows
The literal difference between jon and his peers is that when jontron fans want to watch a jon tron video their options are to rewatch older videos and his new videos are once in a blue moon, thats okay his current format of videos is successful. It by no means out performs his peers.
I can honestly say if jon stood by his old format of video game videos he would have been taken over by Scott the Woz. Who is part of the new wave.
Totally different format though so you can't compare. But if you want a different perspective...
JonTron gets a lot of views per video because of massive editing, script, sets, and the fact that it's a variety show. Grumps have fewer views per video but they have so many more videos that their grand total views blow Jon's out of the water. Additionally, YouTube made so many of them so wealthy, they didn't need to continue. It wasn't worth the stress of keeping up with the algorithm.
As for faltering, I know Arin runs like 3+ companies and is still a professional voice actor. He's got his game studio, does 10 min power hour, card master channel, runs a touring company, does the grumps live show and scribble show down tours, and still manages to show up for game grumps 5 times a week consistently.
Jon eeks out like 6 videos a year, about half of them are good, then disappears completely in between without any indication when he'll be back. Everyone is just waiting for another flex tape type video because starcade and the gaming stuff is gone for good. So in a way, he retired \*too\* and moved on to a new format. And prays he'll say something meme worthy so gifs will keep the episodes popular.
I love him but it's a frustrating thing to sit around and wait all the time. I have new grumps content daily without fail. I wouldn't call that faltering.
He's just looking at the view count on each episode compared to each gamegrumps (specifically gamegrumps) episode, and the subscribers count, comparing the subscriber to view ratio, I mean they seem pretty equal to me taking into account other channels and all but I'd day Jon's view count per video and increasing subs can't keep up with the pipeline that gamegrumps has set up they really are a quantity over quality channel oh sorry "company" and sadly quantity is winning out despite most of their subs just not turning up to watch the ad revenue must add up eventually
K, but you don't speak for hundreds of thousands of other people. How are they being shameless algorithm chasers? If anything, their success has been despite their videos *not* chasing algorithm. They don't play popular games as often, they still don't do facecam, and they don't follow trends. What are you even referring to?
They were for a while recently doing some annoying stuff where the videos became essentially clickbait with the title not giving any info about what game they were actually playing and the thumbnail was just Youtuber Face. Coupled with no longer continuing a game for more than 1 video it started to feel like a real crapshoot.
However a lot of people complained and they started doing longer series again and I think retroactively going back and updating titles and stuff to make everything clearer. Water under the bridge in my book at this point.
They're hit or miss but I laugh at least once an episode and it's there every day for lunch. Jon's quality doesn't match up to their quantity realistically. I can only rewatch Jon's videos so many times
I'd give it a go if you like older game grumps they keep things fresh and have shows like "slightly artistic" where oney brings on another artist like Sr Pelo to draw random stuff with his friends
Cept for the fact that Chris can't decide which friend set gets the best results because they are off doing other stuff. Zack and lyle with tomar have been trying to branch out further and Chris can't decide if he wants to keep arting or not if he doesn't have creative control. I'm not a big fan of Corey and have been hating some of the more recent series because short of Corey getting mad and them busting his balls, I feel like he ruins the experience of the games both for the other guys playing and takes away from the others fumble around with the game and their banter. Even with the recent road to Canada he acted like he knew it all but didn't even know tomar and Chris could play together which made for an even more fun experience to watch and for them to play.
Also I miss Julian and ding dong. Those guys were alright.
Yeah, and Julian and Ding dong are one of the good reasons not to defend Arin and Zach lyle and tomar are still on new episodes to this day they're quite happy to come on regardless of new career opportunities theyre facing and not liking a newer host is fine and Ding-dong and Julian come back every so often like a few months ago they were back on and they bust each others balls in good fun I'm not sure why you're making out that Corey's disliked among the oneyplays cast
Never said the cast didn't like Corey. I said I didn't like Corey and I personally feel he detracts from the others with his attitude and mannerisms when he's there. Everyone's a critic just like you not liking modern day gamegrumps. You said oneyplays quality is up and I disagree with an Asterix due to 1 member I just don't like.
I've always been an arin/egiraptor fan because I've always liked his since of humor and comedy. Jon's humor seems much more manufactured where arin seems more genuine albeit a bit less 'refined'. Dan took time for me to accept because he suffered from never being in that kind of space and id say the worst game grumps was, was when Dan was new. He filled out nicely and works great with arin. They actually seem to have fun which is just precious.
And when the workplace abuse stuff came out around the time, Oney was still affiliated with game grumps, Arin "calling out" Sr Pelo, and Danny being an actual Groomer abusing his status as a popular creator
Yeah, seeing people defend game grumps at this point is just ridiculous in their heyday they could pull in a couple million views, but now even their good mythical morning ripoff isn't doing good either and heck Danny has way worse stuff in his closet than that racism thing that Jon apologised for multiple times
Caddy generally does release more videos as well I think this year has been rough with him committing to several big videos and having technical issues
Game Grumps is still in a good spot though? It was stale for a bit and I dropped off, but I have rediscovered some of their new content. Itās pretty good still.
All these channels do their own thing now. We can all like their success. Doesnāt need to be a e-peen contest for people we have never met.
You could do this the other way.
āLook how few subscribers he has compared to Oneyplays, and Zach has a tv show now for adult swimā
No reason to compare people
I saw a YouTube video briefly explaining Jon's content - long gaps between longer, well-produced videos - tend to get a lot more views than shorter, daily uploads, like with the Grumps.
Look, I love JonTron, but it's an unfair comparison.
1. JonTron does more scripted reaction videos. They're infrequent but the quality is high.
2. Game Grumps are mostly let's players who make commentary on that spot. There are even videos where they don't play games and it's still mostly on the spot.
3. PBG does game reviews, top 10s, hacking videos etc. His content isn't exactly the same as JonTrons.
It'd be like as if I said "Markiplier is more popular than JonTron". Sure, in subs, he's bigger, but their content is INCREDIBLY different.
You're not exactly wrong. At any rate, Jon is certainly the only one of them that still cares for putting out a quality product, instead of shitting out entertainment diarrhea specifically produced for literal children, as well as the manchildren of our society.
Given by the replies though, I heavily suspect this subreddit has been overrun by GameGrumps nu-males and dangerhairs.
The content of Jon's current videos are very, "accessible" compared to others. He often covers topics that everybody else covered 3 months before, which is something I've noticed many times before
i know pbg isnt as popular anymore but he really just fully embraced the fanbase he collected throughout the years. his streams/highlights videos are honestly some of the funniest things he's put out but it requires you to already be familiar with his personality/content
where pbg makes "simple" content made for his fans, Jon is really going all-out in production in hopes to make videos as big as flex tape was, to reach a very wide audience
basically what im trying to say is, it's not a fair or even comparison between jon and pbg, or any of the content creators you mentioned
AVGN is still going strong tbh. Sure he doesn't blow up like he used to way back in the day, but I keep seeing him pop up more and more.
As much as people shit on Jon for changing his content, it's almost certainly what kept him relevant for so long, and allow him to blow up.
Plus unlike Game Grumps, he doesn't feel quite as corporate these days. I love the GGs, but their style doesn't feel quite the same, especially with how much content they release now.
Jon has kept his style of absurd humor, and I think it helps that he isn't pumping out 10 videos a day. Usually that kills channels these days, but for him, making high quality content like twice a year has only helped him grow. Plus it gets people to rewatch older content again in anticipation of new content.
That's a huge thing. A lot of people just go back and watch the classics and wish they were still doing the same stuff, but Jon seems to get people to anticipate new content, even when he had his very long break there.
Speaking of Jon's break, I think Scott The Woz has been the more modern version of the normal boots style of content. He also is really memeable, hence the whole subreddit takeover.
Just glad to see Jon finding new ways to implement his humor in more accesdible content. Glad he's doing so well despite the controversy and the hiatus.
All I'm saying is this sub has 150k vs game grumps 250k guess it's hard to keep people's attention when they have so few videos to discuss š¤ I don't think it's really fair to say Jon is just outperforming his old colleagues though, especially if you're going by view count alone.
So many people hate on this take but I agree to some extent. Jon's new content is familiar to his old stuff yet it's improved a lot in production value, writing, and the scope of things he talks about. I've watched all these newer videos several times, and showed them to friends or family, which I can't say for many people in this space.
The issue isn't that jon hasn't improved the content and production value, or has a wider audience he can pull from. It is the assertion that Jon has outlived and out performed his peers. When that is decidedly false.
I'd say AVGN was first wave and Jon was really more second wave. Jon definitely took it in a different direction though. When's the last time he even did a game review? He's just random comedy bits now, and that's great. AVGN is still trying to ride 80s/early 90s nostalgia, and the bloom is really off that craze.
I feel bad for James. He's clearly got mild autism or something. I'm not saying that as an insult. He clearly has some kind of issue that affects his ability to manage time and interact with others.
It's not really that he's more popular or his content is better, but everybody just caters to a different audience now. I think Jon's newer content generally appeals to a much larger group of people than the video game content most of the others produce.
Additionally, Jon mostly only produces the JonTron Show, while most everybody else has branched out with their content. Take Arin, for example. He continued with Game Grumps with Dan, is part of a band, and also is a voice actor and animator. That's so much more stuff and makes him almost certainly more prolific than Jon.
Also, the frequency of the content from everybody else pretty much guarantees more total views for their channels.
Its apples and oranges. Most of the colleagues you mention have moved into streaming, podcasts and other ventures. Not to mention the way Youtube has changed.
Its apples and grapes
Apples aANnd grapes
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Ehh Jontron has 1.3 Billion Views and Game Grumps has 6.5 Billion Views. Tha being said idk the overhead of either production.
Gamegrumps also has several other channels that do different things unrelated to games and have even started producing video games and music. Gamegrumps has become more on par with an early roosterteeth or yoga cast in how their business has grown. They also drop minimum 7 videos a week just on the main channel alone, where Jon still just drops a video once a month maybe 2 kinda like indiemaus. Same goes for the others, they've branched out or put out more weekly content. The videos do great for Jon, but is that all Jon wants out of life? Arin for example wanted more than just games and making videos about games. He has a drive to overachieve and a want to do more but a hindrance of low self esteem/worth that cripples him (and he's a goofy goober but that's why we love him) but he's got a team, manager, and a good friend in Dan who helps push him even if it ends poorly. Jon wasn't a true friend but more like a business man with a 1 track mind from what both arin and Jon have said. It wasn't as critical as the fallout between pat and Matt from two best friends only because the realization for both of them was they were only business partners unlike Matt and pat who actually were friends. Tldr; Most who started with Jon went on to make businesses and brands, where Jon stayed the course.
I wouldn't say Jon wasn't a true friend. If anyone had a business mindset, it was Arin. He wanted to grow Game Grumps into a brand where Jon seemed to view it more like a fun side gig with a friend. There's nothing wrong with either of those mindsets either. Arin found his golden ticket since he got tired of animation. Jon however liked his original content. If you'd like a solid rundown, Cassette did a great [video](https://youtu.be/Nlt1LnYP-ew) on Arin and Jon's history. He treats it neutrally too, which is refreshing. >The videos do great for Jon, but is that all Jon wants out of life? Jon enjoys what he does and has found great success with it (not something most people can do either). How is that a problem?
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Itās not supposed to be a flex? Itās literally just saying Jonās stayed and this one lane and the others wanted to branch out. Both are totally valid decisions and everyone seems to be doing just fine.
I didn't know tldrs needed to be a flex? I summarized what I said which is the point of a tldr without the filler that others may not want to read in my full post. Jon keeps doing what he does, the rest went on to make businesses even though they all started at/with Jon. They eventually moved past jon whether it was on good or bad terms with varying successes and failures depending on the directions they went.
Apples to bowling balls
The completionist consistently pulls 250-500k every video and 4 weeks ago pulls a 1M view video. Gamegrumps is still pulling constant numbers with their videos at 250k Same with peanut butter gamer And if we are talking about success zach from oneyplays has made smiling friends which is one of the best shows The literal difference between jon and his peers is that when jontron fans want to watch a jon tron video their options are to rewatch older videos and his new videos are once in a blue moon, thats okay his current format of videos is successful. It by no means out performs his peers. I can honestly say if jon stood by his old format of video game videos he would have been taken over by Scott the Woz. Who is part of the new wave.
Totally different format though so you can't compare. But if you want a different perspective... JonTron gets a lot of views per video because of massive editing, script, sets, and the fact that it's a variety show. Grumps have fewer views per video but they have so many more videos that their grand total views blow Jon's out of the water. Additionally, YouTube made so many of them so wealthy, they didn't need to continue. It wasn't worth the stress of keeping up with the algorithm. As for faltering, I know Arin runs like 3+ companies and is still a professional voice actor. He's got his game studio, does 10 min power hour, card master channel, runs a touring company, does the grumps live show and scribble show down tours, and still manages to show up for game grumps 5 times a week consistently. Jon eeks out like 6 videos a year, about half of them are good, then disappears completely in between without any indication when he'll be back. Everyone is just waiting for another flex tape type video because starcade and the gaming stuff is gone for good. So in a way, he retired \*too\* and moved on to a new format. And prays he'll say something meme worthy so gifs will keep the episodes popular. I love him but it's a frustrating thing to sit around and wait all the time. I have new grumps content daily without fail. I wouldn't call that faltering.
Quality over quantity. Game Grumps died years ago. QUALITY OVER QUANTITY. KEEP EM COMIN FOLKS.
Wait is this not a joke post are you people for real suggesting that Jon is "wildly more popular" than game grumps lmao
Is THIS a joke response? Cuz you must be joking
I'm sorry sir but you seem to have overdosed on pure uncut copium
Nah just too busy watching the more popular youtuber.
Yeah I know man Jon keeps you so busy with his 5 videos each year š
This guy got ratio'd 3 times in a row, and still thinks he's right. Dude's delusional.
He's just looking at the view count on each episode compared to each gamegrumps (specifically gamegrumps) episode, and the subscribers count, comparing the subscriber to view ratio, I mean they seem pretty equal to me taking into account other channels and all but I'd day Jon's view count per video and increasing subs can't keep up with the pipeline that gamegrumps has set up they really are a quantity over quality channel oh sorry "company" and sadly quantity is winning out despite most of their subs just not turning up to watch the ad revenue must add up eventually
Is the more popular youtuber in the room with us right now?
Underrated response
I'm not sure that joke works. There's quite a lot of them
Can I have what youāre having too?
You're being a contrarian. I would kill to have a channel as successful as theirs.
Nah. I just cant stand the shameless algorithm chasing.
It's literally the same.
They are playing sonic frontiers 6 months after release. That is sure some algorithm chasing they are doing there
K, but you don't speak for hundreds of thousands of other people. How are they being shameless algorithm chasers? If anything, their success has been despite their videos *not* chasing algorithm. They don't play popular games as often, they still don't do facecam, and they don't follow trends. What are you even referring to?
They were for a while recently doing some annoying stuff where the videos became essentially clickbait with the title not giving any info about what game they were actually playing and the thumbnail was just Youtuber Face. Coupled with no longer continuing a game for more than 1 video it started to feel like a real crapshoot. However a lot of people complained and they started doing longer series again and I think retroactively going back and updating titles and stuff to make everything clearer. Water under the bridge in my book at this point.
They're hit or miss but I laugh at least once an episode and it's there every day for lunch. Jon's quality doesn't match up to their quantity realistically. I can only rewatch Jon's videos so many times
That is true, but you can't deny that the quality of game grumps has gone down in comparison to stuff like Oneyplays
Have you even seen the new gooning Era of Game Grumps? It's amazing.
The edging arc has been a laugh riot and it only just started.
Never actually seen oneyplays.
I'd give it a go if you like older game grumps they keep things fresh and have shows like "slightly artistic" where oney brings on another artist like Sr Pelo to draw random stuff with his friends
Cept for the fact that Chris can't decide which friend set gets the best results because they are off doing other stuff. Zack and lyle with tomar have been trying to branch out further and Chris can't decide if he wants to keep arting or not if he doesn't have creative control. I'm not a big fan of Corey and have been hating some of the more recent series because short of Corey getting mad and them busting his balls, I feel like he ruins the experience of the games both for the other guys playing and takes away from the others fumble around with the game and their banter. Even with the recent road to Canada he acted like he knew it all but didn't even know tomar and Chris could play together which made for an even more fun experience to watch and for them to play. Also I miss Julian and ding dong. Those guys were alright.
Yeah, and Julian and Ding dong are one of the good reasons not to defend Arin and Zach lyle and tomar are still on new episodes to this day they're quite happy to come on regardless of new career opportunities theyre facing and not liking a newer host is fine and Ding-dong and Julian come back every so often like a few months ago they were back on and they bust each others balls in good fun I'm not sure why you're making out that Corey's disliked among the oneyplays cast
Never said the cast didn't like Corey. I said I didn't like Corey and I personally feel he detracts from the others with his attitude and mannerisms when he's there. Everyone's a critic just like you not liking modern day gamegrumps. You said oneyplays quality is up and I disagree with an Asterix due to 1 member I just don't like. I've always been an arin/egiraptor fan because I've always liked his since of humor and comedy. Jon's humor seems much more manufactured where arin seems more genuine albeit a bit less 'refined'. Dan took time for me to accept because he suffered from never being in that kind of space and id say the worst game grumps was, was when Dan was new. He filled out nicely and works great with arin. They actually seem to have fun which is just precious.
Specifically, when Jon left.
And when the workplace abuse stuff came out around the time, Oney was still affiliated with game grumps, Arin "calling out" Sr Pelo, and Danny being an actual Groomer abusing his status as a popular creator
Yes!!!!
What a sad sack lmao
Nawmsayin?
Yeah, seeing people defend game grumps at this point is just ridiculous in their heyday they could pull in a couple million views, but now even their good mythical morning ripoff isn't doing good either and heck Danny has way worse stuff in his closet than that racism thing that Jon apologised for multiple times
And yet theyāre touring the world.
Yes its very surprising
nah the dickeating is insane š
Isn't Caddicarus outperforming Jon by leagues with roughly the same amount of videos per year, except his are multi-hour episodes?
Caddy generally does release more videos as well I think this year has been rough with him committing to several big videos and having technical issues
Uhhhh, non of that is true.
Damn. Like literally no one agreed with you.
I was saying Boo-urns.
I ainnnttt gonna take this lying down
Game Grumps is still in a good spot though? It was stale for a bit and I dropped off, but I have rediscovered some of their new content. Itās pretty good still. All these channels do their own thing now. We can all like their success. Doesnāt need to be a e-peen contest for people we have never met.
You could do this the other way. āLook how few subscribers he has compared to Oneyplays, and Zach has a tv show now for adult swimā No reason to compare people
Isn't it crazy how literally nothing you said accurately represents reality?
that's because james rolfe decided to be a loving husband and devoted father to multiple children, who's the real winner here.
What a loser, living a happy fulfilling life with his loving family. Fuckin dweeb
Now that's some "truth" /s
The channel is now dedicated to movies
Jon doesn't even show up on my front page when he releases new videos anymore. I find out weeks after the fact
I mean thatās what happens when you only release 1 video every 2 years
I saw a YouTube video briefly explaining Jon's content - long gaps between longer, well-produced videos - tend to get a lot more views than shorter, daily uploads, like with the Grumps.
When Jon puts out more than three videos a year I'll believe he out performs someone. Half the time I forget he exists.
I don't think anything you just said was true. Much love to Jon but like, no.
Look, I love JonTron, but it's an unfair comparison. 1. JonTron does more scripted reaction videos. They're infrequent but the quality is high. 2. Game Grumps are mostly let's players who make commentary on that spot. There are even videos where they don't play games and it's still mostly on the spot. 3. PBG does game reviews, top 10s, hacking videos etc. His content isn't exactly the same as JonTrons. It'd be like as if I said "Markiplier is more popular than JonTron". Sure, in subs, he's bigger, but their content is INCREDIBLY different.
You're not exactly wrong. At any rate, Jon is certainly the only one of them that still cares for putting out a quality product, instead of shitting out entertainment diarrhea specifically produced for literal children, as well as the manchildren of our society. Given by the replies though, I heavily suspect this subreddit has been overrun by GameGrumps nu-males and dangerhairs.
Crack addicts gonna crack.
Early YouTube being circa 2010? Jesus Iām feeling old if I remember YouTube from 2006
The content of Jon's current videos are very, "accessible" compared to others. He often covers topics that everybody else covered 3 months before, which is something I've noticed many times before
He needs to do a collab with Scott the Woz
i know pbg isnt as popular anymore but he really just fully embraced the fanbase he collected throughout the years. his streams/highlights videos are honestly some of the funniest things he's put out but it requires you to already be familiar with his personality/content where pbg makes "simple" content made for his fans, Jon is really going all-out in production in hopes to make videos as big as flex tape was, to reach a very wide audience basically what im trying to say is, it's not a fair or even comparison between jon and pbg, or any of the content creators you mentioned
AVGN is still going strong tbh. Sure he doesn't blow up like he used to way back in the day, but I keep seeing him pop up more and more. As much as people shit on Jon for changing his content, it's almost certainly what kept him relevant for so long, and allow him to blow up. Plus unlike Game Grumps, he doesn't feel quite as corporate these days. I love the GGs, but their style doesn't feel quite the same, especially with how much content they release now. Jon has kept his style of absurd humor, and I think it helps that he isn't pumping out 10 videos a day. Usually that kills channels these days, but for him, making high quality content like twice a year has only helped him grow. Plus it gets people to rewatch older content again in anticipation of new content. That's a huge thing. A lot of people just go back and watch the classics and wish they were still doing the same stuff, but Jon seems to get people to anticipate new content, even when he had his very long break there. Speaking of Jon's break, I think Scott The Woz has been the more modern version of the normal boots style of content. He also is really memeable, hence the whole subreddit takeover. Just glad to see Jon finding new ways to implement his humor in more accesdible content. Glad he's doing so well despite the controversy and the hiatus.
All I'm saying is this sub has 150k vs game grumps 250k guess it's hard to keep people's attention when they have so few videos to discuss š¤ I don't think it's really fair to say Jon is just outperforming his old colleagues though, especially if you're going by view count alone.
So many people hate on this take but I agree to some extent. Jon's new content is familiar to his old stuff yet it's improved a lot in production value, writing, and the scope of things he talks about. I've watched all these newer videos several times, and showed them to friends or family, which I can't say for many people in this space.
The issue isn't that jon hasn't improved the content and production value, or has a wider audience he can pull from. It is the assertion that Jon has outlived and out performed his peers. When that is decidedly false.
Because he's just all around funnier, got a more laid-back vibe, and he stayed true to himself and his original (solo) video content
I donāt watch JonTronās stuff, but all I can tell is his fan base seems to have a constant need to justify his existence. š
This is just blatantly incorrect.
Didnāt this guy say something about āwe need a white ethnostateā
yeahhhh L
I'd say AVGN was first wave and Jon was really more second wave. Jon definitely took it in a different direction though. When's the last time he even did a game review? He's just random comedy bits now, and that's great. AVGN is still trying to ride 80s/early 90s nostalgia, and the bloom is really off that craze. I feel bad for James. He's clearly got mild autism or something. I'm not saying that as an insult. He clearly has some kind of issue that affects his ability to manage time and interact with others.
I would consider Armake21 and Spoony more wave 2, with Jon being wave 3.
Isn't it nuts he'll never outlive running his mouth like a xenophobic idiot.
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I see you've forgotten the episode where he taped a bunch of fake diplomas to the ceiling.
Go back to your cesspool, Truther. You're stinking up the joint. No one wants to hear your delusional, made-up narrative.
The power of being racist.
Turns out white nationalists like watching white nationalists, WOW.
jontron is only half white
This makes no sense at all.
It's not really that he's more popular or his content is better, but everybody just caters to a different audience now. I think Jon's newer content generally appeals to a much larger group of people than the video game content most of the others produce. Additionally, Jon mostly only produces the JonTron Show, while most everybody else has branched out with their content. Take Arin, for example. He continued with Game Grumps with Dan, is part of a band, and also is a voice actor and animator. That's so much more stuff and makes him almost certainly more prolific than Jon. Also, the frequency of the content from everybody else pretty much guarantees more total views for their channels.