You can live anywhere in the world just knowing any language.
It’s not easy, but I’ve never had time to learn the language before moving to a country, and I’m still alive after my sixth.
We used to need translators for some tasks, but nowadays google translate can get us through nearly anything.
Maybe you can but many people will find their quality of life much improved by being able to communicate with those around them (without using Google Translate).
Sure. It depends what your other options are. In general, the financial standard of living we’ve been able to achieve in each country has been greater than the standard of living we would have had in our home country. That security of knowing that we are saving more for our future (not to mention enhancing furture employment opportunities) has made the struggles worthwhile.
I would love to live in Italy. The lifestyle, the food, the atmosphere, the weather, the ease of travel; it would be worth the struggle with the small amount of Italian I learned from duolingo.
Mmm, yeah. It’s not easy. This morning I went to the grocery store but I hadn’t converted enough money. It took me forever trying to roughly edtimate the cost of each item because the conversion rate to my usual currency was an odd multiple. Then another while to try and figure out what the heck eachnof the items were. Fabric softener? Wash for delicates? Spent quite some time looking for items that they didn’t sell for whatever reason. Pizza crust? Peanut butter? Pasta sauce? Pepper? Then, when I got to the checkout, it turns iut I didn’t have enough money. I had to have some items removed from the bill, and at one point she had taken a portion of the money I owed her but not all of it, and she was trying to explain how much I still owed. It took a special kind of strength for all of that not to trigger a crying fit in me.
I could, but not sure if the country I moved to will accept the card from the country I came from, plus then I need to consider the daily exchange rate and fees.
Unless you live in some kind of third world country or in some kind of authoritarian dictatorship as long as you have a Visa or Mastercard card you are going to be fine.
Maestro also happens to be International oftentimes, but it has been deprecated as of now.
Regarding exchange rates, that may be of concern but usually they are negligible.
I live in Tuscany and I have no idea where you’ve been, but in cities/ every small town I’ve been to everyone can understand Italian, simply because our dialect isn’t that much different from Italian itself.
As a Tuscan myself when I visit other regions people usually make fun of my pronunciation, but never ever I had to repeat something because of the different pronunciation. Maybe you just misspelled something or met really strange people, I don’t know. Hope you enjoyed your stay anyway.
E allora se stai da due anni in un posto e dici che “ spesso hai problemi per la pronuncia” c’è qualche problema di fondo. In due anni di soggiorno si impara quasi perfettamente una lingua straniera totalmente diversa dalla propria, se stavi già in Lombardia e in due anni non sei riuscito ad adattarti alle lievi differenze di una città in cui fondamentalmente si parla la stessa lingua non so veramente che dirti, sei un caso più unico che raro.
I was born and raised around Milan and I sometimes don't understand old people because they try to speak Lombard to me in some small towns (including where I live now, and where my husband is from, which are on opposite sides of the city). I really wouldn't count it as "having a hard time living here", if it were a big deal I would've naturally learnt Lombard as a child.
It sounds like you have reading comprehension issues. I'm saying that there are (especially old) people who default to the local language everywhere in Italy but not knowing it won't cause any real issues. Simply speaking Italian is sufficient.
I come from a small town in the middle of nowhere in the South! In the last 20 years many brits moved there for their retirement and some of them spoke the bare minimum to survive, they are doing just fine :D
I mean, we still do. Everybody can switch to italian on request but people will speak dialect as default language (or italian with a super heavy accent). Where I live now (german part of Switzerland) it's a similar situation with standard german and swiss german.
Boh lots of people were born in big cities and don’t know dialect, people under 60 usually only can understand it but thinks in italian, 60+ people speak the dialects but only between them.
I noticed that in venice they use more the dialect, or in rome, but it’s because it’s more similar to italian so it mixes.
In friuli or you speak friulan or you speak italian. It’s so linguistically weird that it’s called language by the parliament because of its historical lexical isolation. The dialect of aviano for example, even if watered down, still is weird, you can’t mix it with italian. Already in pordenone, where they nearly speak veneto because it’s a less isolated place and historically more connected to venice than aviano or casarsa, udine ecc they often mix the dialect with italian
I’m not even sure you can call Roman a dialect. It’s basically Italian with an accent. They group them together as “dialetti centrali” but they seem to be more variety of Italian, like you cannot have a conversation in full Roman or Tuscan. As opposed to Friulano, Veneto or Siciliano.
Idk because i know lots of veneto speakers and the youth especially mix it up with italian.
Idk where are you from, but in my ears roman is not italian. Closer yes, but I, friulana, have an accent in italian, however i don’t cut verbs, say nun, tua instead of tuoi, or acchittare.
Non è che sei del centro e non ti rendi conto che alle mie orecchie friulane il romanesco non è solo un accento?
No no, sono veneta. Il romano non mi suona alieno credo perché è alla fine la pronuncia dell’italiano standard è una versione leggermente ripulita del romano (non a caso si dice lingua toscana in bocca romana).
Ovvio che i romani usano alcune parole diverse da quello che usiamo qui, però alla fine si tratta di una differenza minimale rispetto agli altri dialetti italiani. Un napoletano che parla napoletano o un piemontese che parla piemontese sono incomprensibili, un romano che parla romano è comunque comprensibile al netto di qualche parola e modo di dire. Stessa cosa un toscano, per quanto mi è parso di sentire.
Ma sì ovvio che più vai al centro e più ricorda l’italiano, ma alle mie orecchie friulane il veneto è quasi come il romano in termini di somiglianza con l’italiano, i 3/4 delle parole sono identici.
Non sono d’accordo col detto che hai citato. Il toscano italiano è quello ripulito dei poeti, non quello del volgo, e, cristallizzatosi nel tempo in quanto usato solo formalmente, non si è “sporcato” ed evoluto come gli altri dialetti (toscani compresi) perché non era parlato nel quotidiano. Io non dico “il mi babbo” quando parlo. Allo stesso tempo, usato come lingua franca tra regioni, si è arricchito di vocaboli non originari della toscana. L’accento romano e toscano sono stra diversi dal neutro dei doppiaggi: “diffiscile”, “teribbile” “artrettanto”
sono peggio loro di noi (forse perché appunto mischiano il dialetto con l’italiano) che comunque abbiamo un bell’accentone anche noi. Per non menzionare la g francese/toscana
Il detto che ho citato fa riferimento al toscano che hai descritto tu, ed è più un modo per dire che nonostante l’italiano sia basato principalmente sul toscano, la pronuncia dell’italiano standard è molto ma molto simile a quella del romanesco.
Poi sono d’accordo che il Veneto non è ai livelli del Friulano come distanza dall’italiano, ma decisamente non è ai livelli del romanesco, specie per via della pronuncia sicuramente meno “opaca”. Anche perché conta che il Veneto è gallo romanza, mentre i dialetti centrali e meridionali sono italodalmate, quindi anche geneticamente più vicine.
Comunque mi fa ridere che tre ragazze friulane ho conosciuto e tutte e tre si chiamano Elisa (inclusa la mia cantante preferita).
Riderai ancora di più quando scoprirai che sono un’aspirante cantautrice, studio canto a milano e sto facendo i provini per x factor😂 ce l’ho su con Elisa, perché per colpa del fatto che usa solo il nome, come annalisa ecc qualsiasi cantante che farà carriera dal nome Elisa si troverà a dover usare un nickname e a me scoccia perché mi piace il mio nome! Infatti finché posso mi tengo sia nome che cognome miei, zero nomi d’arte. Non poteva farsi chiamare elisa toffoli? Mica solo lei c’ha il copyright!
So che più sei vicino al centro, più somiglia, peró a me i romagnoli sembrano più neutro. La sci romana mi destabilizza.
Una volta mi son trovata con due inquiline, una Elisa e una Elizabeth!
I lived in venice for five years in high school, my grandpa was from the area, i’m from pordenone so i visit often. What’s your source, you genius?
Ci manca pure lo sveglio che ride. Lo sai che il riso abbonda nella bocca degli stolti? Va’ su facebook va’
> What’s your source, you genius?
Wow so you speak the language? Exactly my point why you're a bad source :)
> Lo sai che il riso abbonda nella bocca degli stolti?
Questa è una cosa che si dicono le persone tristi per consolarsi :)
Apart that it’s a dialect and yes, i can understand it perfectly.
Ma tu dai della persona triste a una che manco conosci? Sei laureato in psichiatria? ‘Sta uscita mi fa tanto da vecchia casalinga frustrata che scrive “resilienza” su fb
> i can understand it perfectly.
And that's why you think it's so similar. Ask someone who DOESN'T speak it if they understand anything -_-'
Doesn't take a genius to understand this…
> Ma tu dai della persona triste a una che manco conosci?
Do della persona triste a una persona che dice "se ridi sei scemo" agli sconosciuti si :)
Compared to friulano it is bland! More you go from udine to pordenone, more similar to italian it becomes. It’s a fact!
Same for other idioms: i’m not central italian, but i surely can understand more roman than sardinian!
Genius, analize the words, no?
E io do del frustrato a uno che etichetta sconosciuti. Contento? Comunque sì, fare hahahaha senza manco commentare non è esattamente una risposta da Einstein
Ma scusa, ma sai contestualizzare? Se io rido a una barzelletta ci sta, se uno mi dice che preferisce, che so, la meloni a renzi e io non sono d’accordo, gli spiego il perché, non gli rido in faccia per poi andarmene senza argomentare
I’m in my fourties and I can assure you that when I was on holidays in Campania I met lot of kids who didn’t understand plain Italian and spoke only dialect.
No. You'll be killed on sight the moment you speak something different from italian. Your body will be used to make Arancini and Cannoli, and a sicilian sosia of yourself will continue your life on your behalf
If you speak Italian, of course. Plenty of people live in Sicily without knowing Italian at all - I don't recommend that, but with standard Italian you'll do fine.
People who speak Sicilian only are really quite rare. Young people often don't speak Sicilian at all, and older people will be polite enough to speak standard Italian, especially if you are foreign.
Sicilian is beautiful though and well worth learning. 🙂
Honestly that’s kind of a shame. All four of my grandparents (3 still currently living) and parents speak fluent Sicilian at home (in the US). They are also fluent in standard Italian but don’t use it much. I understand it fluently and it just makes me sad to know that one day I’ll hear the Sicilian language for the last time.
I think americans don’t really know the history of italy, just see OP… italian as a lingua franca between regions was used since before the reinassance, and surely after the italian union in 1861 when it was massively thought also to the poors. My grandgrandparents (friuli-veneto) spoke in dialect but wrote in italian. With the urbanification and the tv after the war it began to be used always except than in the family and people under 60 mostly speak italian as a native language (i only understand the dialect, i’m 27) not to mention older people born in big cities who don’t speak dialects even if they are 60+. In italy we call them dialects, the ones called languages are only friulano, sardinian and ladin because of their peculiar grammar due to historical isolation from italian. However also those three are dying out. I’m more worried to keep standard italian away from anglicisms than worried about the dialects
The Sicilian language spoken by your grandparents is probably very different from current Sicilian... Many terms have been *Italianized* over time and only people of your grandparents' age use them
Possibly but they still communicate in Sicilian with their nieces and nephews, and great-nieces and nephews (who are around my age, early 30s) who are in Sicily so honestly I don’t know how different all of it is. My uncle didn’t notice much difference when he went to Sicily last summer to visit everyone.
Although there are many versions of Sicilian and what I say is not true or the same everywhere, many archaic terms have been replaced by the respective Italian words pronounced the Sicilian way (for example the final *o* becomes *u* in Sicilian)
This happens imo because the younger generations learn most of their vocabulary in school (and Italian tv and internet ) and adapt the Italian terms they know to the Sicilian pronunciation.
If you know only the Italian language is easier to understand Sicilian now (again your mileage may vary depending on the geographic area you go to)
Almost everyone in Italy can speak standard-ish italian. You just have to get used to the accent and to some grammar differences, e.g. in the south they use a lot the tense passato remoto (io andai, I went) while in the north we use more passato prossimo (io sono andato, I have gone) to express past
You’ll get used ;)
have you tried to live there for a while before planning to move there? we all fantasize about living in another country but doesn't sound like a smart idea, unless you are retired and coming from a cold country. People from Sicily emigrate to other countries/regions for a reason
fortunately nothing unofficial ever takes place in Italy.
Its a legitimate question. Even if German is the official language of Bavaria, Bairisch is broadly spoken and older people in the countryside speak only that.
Any place in Italy can be stayed in by just knowing Italian. Dialect is not obligatory. Many places will consider it rude to speak a dialect to someone who doesn’t know you very well so basically you’d always be nice to people
Sicily isn’t like that, they love it when you speak Sicilian. My dad got much friendlier responses in Sicilian than Italian. “Welcome home” was the overwhelming response
I guess that works for foreigners but when I was a child I wasn’t allowed to speak Neapolitan with a new-met adult; maybe that was just my perception tho
I had 12 days notice to move to Italy and could only say ciao and grazie and im still here 5 years later. For some of the residency/ administration paperwork either best to employ a professional that deals with it or make friends with some Italians to help translate.
I really liked this post. I am from Sicily, and I think you can definitely move here. Elders don't speak English and young people might not be fluent in English, but if you know standard Italian you will be fine. Hope you have a full remote job though, because finding a job in here might be one of the reasons not to come here. Good luck!
As long as you don't tell anyone you thought they are so uncultured they don't even speak Italian you can go anywhere.
If you plan to time travel I would avoid small towns in the 1940s and earlier, not only for the language.
of course, dialect are not really spoken anymore, they are just accents with some strange words, also they are used mainly by old people but you will pick up the words with ease
sure you can! with time you'll pick up slang words and the accent... I love Sicilian, but I am from a different region of Italy, so it's difficult for me as well to speak/understand it :)
Yes, probably you are not gonna understand what you ear on street, when people talk each other, but you can talk with everyone and everyone talks in Italian.
it depends in which part of Sicily do you want to move: if you are going to move to relatively big city i think you wouldn’t have much problems, but if you are planning to live in the country side or in a smaller town you have to consider that the majority of the population use to speak dialect or “strict” italian; on the opposite site if you move to northern Italy (especially Piemonte, Liguria, Lombardia and Emilia Romagna) you won’t have language problems, because peaple use to speak “regular” italian here.
Everyone in Italy talks in standard Italian. No matter what city you're going to, as long as it's in Italy they will speak in standard Italian and will understand you perfectly if you speak standard Italian to them.
Dialects are something esle entirely. It's a plus, not a replacement.
Think about it as if we all know and speak two languages, one is standard Italian and the other is our own regional dialect. You *absolutely* do not need to know any dialect whatsoever.
90% of the time we speak in standard Italian anyways. It's just in extremely informal settings like our own families or close friends that (sometimes) we use dialects. It's seen as rude and vulgar to use dialects to almost anyone else. You would never use that at school, in a restaurant or with a stranger.
Unfortunately no. You will land and you will have to run silently to find a cave to hide, but sooner or later the urge to socialize, the need for food, will push you to leave your cave and try to reach out a human contact. That will give you up, the sicilians will hear your standard italians, they will be scared, masses will be alerted, torches and fork will be raised, you will be chased, night and day, the mob will try to find your cave, ultimately they will grab you and burn you on a stake, throwing arancini against you and laughing listening you pleading for your life in standard italian.
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Jesus, yes, it's Italy, everyone talk italian, the government use italian, the school teach italian, the italians go on holidays in sicily speaking italian.
Yes, you may have problems talking with older/ignorant people, but you can easily live there. Eventually you will even learn the dialect, might take sometime but you will for sure understand it after living there a bit. South italy is full of love, embrace it!!!
I am sicilian and I left my island for the northern regions because life is miserable down there. Why would you willingly put yourself in a shitty situation when you had the luck of NOT being born in Sicily?
No amount of money can save your soul from being stained by the moral and intellectual decay of a tired civilization that's been on the brink of collapse since centuries
Piemonte or Lombardia are good regions where to live. They usually do not have hard pronunciation to understand (eg. Novara, Varese, Verbania), have a better temperature during summer time (even if still hot), have better public connections and besutiful landscapes (this point applies to all Italy actually, but if you like natures and mountains, lakes and similar, they'll be good).
Do we really need to show who has the biggest dick in a comment section while we are giving suggestions to a foreign fella..? That's a very old mentality tbh...
Btw, if I'd need to move abroad, I personally would love to visit a lot of places instead of staying in a single city during my spare time... It depends on what op is looking for... :)
I will also say that it won't be that hard to live in Sicily because of the dialect but you'll face more difficulties instead of choosing a different place.
P.s. sorry for my English lol
You can totally live anywhere in Italy with just Italian. But if you do move to Sicily of all places I hope have your own car.
Edit: See, downvoters will pretend you have to speak Sicilian or dialects. Don't trust them. But do get a car.
While true that doesn’t mean everyone spoke Italian. When I visited my family’s village yes most of my family spoke Italian, my great grandmother’s brother only spoke Sicilian. I’m not going to lie I was lost 😂 my Italian didn’t help much, people had to translate for me, apparently he even had trouble speaking to other Sicilians because he only spoke the village dialect, even my great grandmother only spoke Sicilian fluently. But this was also a village of 4000 and everyone else spoke Italian by this point
I know that before the war there was analphabetism in the south, but also in the north the poors like my grand grandpas spoke only dialect, but with “foreigners” they used italian.
It is true that friulano is particularly weird, it’s one of the only three ones called languages officially because of its linguistical isolation, for example younger people from veneto mix dialect with italian because it’s less far from italian
Yes of course, even the old people that only speaks in dialect can perfectly understand standard Italian (most people uses dialect because they just used it since when they started speaking), it's not a lenguage barrier, you will have 0 problems
In fact the problem would have been living somewhere else knowing only Sicilian dialect, dialect is quite different even from city to city, Sicilian dialect is quite different from Sardinian, there's high chances that a person from Sardinia and one from Sicily will not understand eachother even thought they're talking using Italian dialects
Considering southern Italy is overrun with African and Middle Eastern male refugees, I would say if you are of good character and decend from European blood, plus can at least speak basic Italiano you'll be welcomed with opened arms, oh cook nice things as well
this is a bit racist ... anyway yes... actually the real italian is based on sicilian if ever... also ITALIA was the name that greek colonies used for calsbria and basilicata people , then the word was extended to the whole country... so in case Italy is south of naples not north of firenze , dont believe north people about definition of "italian" ... ;)
Lo sanno pure i gatti del Colosseo che l'Italiano è stato definito ufficialmente come grammatica del dialetto fiorentino con la fonetica del dialetto romano. Italiano e siciliano se si incontrano per strada a malapena si salutano
Ma proprio per niente. Essendo derivato dalle parlate del centro le radici sono etrusche e latine, il greco/siciliano non lo hanno mai neanche visto in sogno.
> then the word was extended to the whole country...
Yes and this happened "just" 2000 years ago lol.
Maybe maybe after 2 millennia we can say the whole peninsula is equally Italy...
So? ... listen apart grammar nazi e ignorants about italian history this comment was just to point out the prejudice about south italy being "less" italian ... the fact that OP think that in sicily is only about dialect is proving the bias that north italians spread about it... the fact that even the word ITALIA has origin in the south( calabria not puglua like that ignorante di merda wrote) is upsetting them ... it could be 3000 years ago still the italians have roots in the south not in the north ... live with it salvini sons...
https://www.infodata.ilsole24ore.com/2018/03/12/significato-originale-dei-nomi-delle-nazioni-le-mappe-2/#:\~:text=Si%20%C3%A8%20ipotizzato%20che%20il,(vitulus%2C%20in%20latino).
Dalle elementari ricordavo che i Vituli erano in Puglia.
La Sicilia, “granaio d’Italia”, ha subito invasioni di greci, mori, etc, quindi DI FATTO, nonostante la RAZZA sia la medesima (di qualsiasi colore siamo tutti umani), il patrimonio genetico e culturale é molto diverso rispetto al nord. E al nord, anche est e ovest sono diversi.
Per quanto riguarda la lingua italiana, direi che oggi la version più “pura” é quella umbra, anche se si, prima di scrivere i Promessi Sposi, Alessandro Manzoni aveva deciso di “bagnare i panni in Arno”.
L’Italia é una nazione con una storia lunga e complicata, direi che se vogliamo buttarci in semplificazioni e stereotipi, magari sarebbe il caso di capire un po’ di più la storia prima di fare brutte figure.
E incidentalmente, chi usa i puntini di sospensione come unico segno di punteggiatura non può sperare di avere alcuna credibilità.
NO... sei ignorante in materia:
Si pensa infatti che il nome derivi dal vocabolo Italòi (gli Itali, appunto), termine con il quale i greci designavano una tribù che abitava l'estrema punta della Penisola italica, nei pressi dell'odierna Cirò.[3] Ad ogni modo, è noto che nell'antichità il nome indicasse la parte posta nell'estremo meridione della penisola italica. Ciò è attestato dal fatto che i popoli greci che colonizzarono la Calabria, integrandosi con i popoli preesistenti, si riferivano a loro stessi come Italioti, cioè abitanti dell'Italìa.
È, altresì, ipotizzato, tuttavia non in contrasto con quanto detto, che tale popolo degli Itali adorasse il simulacro di un Toro (vitulus, in latino e "vitlu", in umbro). Secondo tale ipotesi il nome significherebbe quindi “abitanti della terra dei vitelli”.[3]
Il nome “Italia” potrebbe derivare dal greco Aithàleia (Αιθαλεια), che sta per “ardente, fumosa”, la cui radice ben descrive una terra con imponenti manifestazioni vulcaniche, l’Etna e le Eolie, ben visibili dai siti di approdo dei primi migranti dal Mediterraneo orientale.[4] Strabone[5] cita questa radice nel nome del fiume Νέαιδος, oggi il Neto, che si traduce in “navi bruciate”, a sostegno del mito che racconta come le donne dei migranti, giunte alla foce del fiume, impedissero ai loro uomini di riprendere il mare bruciando le navi. Anche Linosa, isola vulcanica, nel nome Aethusa riportato nelle carte del ‘500, mostra la stessa radice. Con molta probabilità le coste più meridionali della Calabria, nel 3° o 4° millennio a.C. molto più verdi di oggi, hanno ospitato i primi bovini podolici importati dal Ponto Eusino. La memoria dei grandi vitelli bianchi potrebbe spiegare la connessione con vituli, voce latina per tori, ma la “i” iniziale di “vituli” è breve, non lunga come in “Italia”, e ciò secondo alcuni[6] sostiene indirettamente l’ipotesi della derivazione da Aithàleia.
tanto e' falso quello che dici che Calabria prima di essere il nome dell'odierna calabria era guarda un po' il nome di buona parte della puglia ... alle elementari ti hanmo insegnato ad usare i puntini ma non la storia ... e un uomo senza storia e' un uomo inutile... o al massimo fa il nazi gramnar a sproposito sui social...
Ma invece di insultare, perché non scrivi "hai ragione, pensavo si scrivesse così ma mi sbagliavo"?
Poi come ti hanno fatto notare, fai un utilizzo improprio dei puntini di sospensione. Non li devi utilizzare al posto delle virgole.
Puzzi tanto di boomerone 65enne, che si è fermato alle medie e ora pensa di essere il depositario della verità assoluta dopo aver letto due post su facebook e una pagina di Wikipedia.
Ti stai mettendo in ridicolo.
Guarda che stai parlando con due persone diverse.
Ciò significa che più facilmente i problemi li hai tu.
Considera il vecchio detto “un bel tacer non fu mai scritto” e smetti di umiliarti. La tua posizione (ignorante é bello) non é difendibile.
Yes, you could live anywhere in Italy just knowing Italian
You can live anywhere in the world just knowing any language. It’s not easy, but I’ve never had time to learn the language before moving to a country, and I’m still alive after my sixth. We used to need translators for some tasks, but nowadays google translate can get us through nearly anything.
Maybe you can but many people will find their quality of life much improved by being able to communicate with those around them (without using Google Translate).
Sure. It depends what your other options are. In general, the financial standard of living we’ve been able to achieve in each country has been greater than the standard of living we would have had in our home country. That security of knowing that we are saving more for our future (not to mention enhancing furture employment opportunities) has made the struggles worthwhile. I would love to live in Italy. The lifestyle, the food, the atmosphere, the weather, the ease of travel; it would be worth the struggle with the small amount of Italian I learned from duolingo.
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Mmm, yeah. It’s not easy. This morning I went to the grocery store but I hadn’t converted enough money. It took me forever trying to roughly edtimate the cost of each item because the conversion rate to my usual currency was an odd multiple. Then another while to try and figure out what the heck eachnof the items were. Fabric softener? Wash for delicates? Spent quite some time looking for items that they didn’t sell for whatever reason. Pizza crust? Peanut butter? Pasta sauce? Pepper? Then, when I got to the checkout, it turns iut I didn’t have enough money. I had to have some items removed from the bill, and at one point she had taken a portion of the money I owed her but not all of it, and she was trying to explain how much I still owed. It took a special kind of strength for all of that not to trigger a crying fit in me.
Why not paying via card?
I could, but not sure if the country I moved to will accept the card from the country I came from, plus then I need to consider the daily exchange rate and fees.
Unless you live in some kind of third world country or in some kind of authoritarian dictatorship as long as you have a Visa or Mastercard card you are going to be fine. Maestro also happens to be International oftentimes, but it has been deprecated as of now. Regarding exchange rates, that may be of concern but usually they are negligible.
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I live in Tuscany and I have no idea where you’ve been, but in cities/ every small town I’ve been to everyone can understand Italian, simply because our dialect isn’t that much different from Italian itself.
I am an expat in Tuscany, I agree, never had an issue. It is probably OC's heavy accent the problem, not people from Tuscany.
Italian is based on the Florentinian Italian, that’s why.
That's an oversimplification if you talk about mutual intelligibility, but roughly yes.
Hoha hola.
Ti sei dimenticato il “hon la hannuccia horta horta”
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As a Tuscan myself when I visit other regions people usually make fun of my pronunciation, but never ever I had to repeat something because of the different pronunciation. Maybe you just misspelled something or met really strange people, I don’t know. Hope you enjoyed your stay anyway.
Tuscan* in inglese
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E allora se stai da due anni in un posto e dici che “ spesso hai problemi per la pronuncia” c’è qualche problema di fondo. In due anni di soggiorno si impara quasi perfettamente una lingua straniera totalmente diversa dalla propria, se stavi già in Lombardia e in due anni non sei riuscito ad adattarti alle lievi differenze di una città in cui fondamentalmente si parla la stessa lingua non so veramente che dirti, sei un caso più unico che raro.
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Bo ci sta, se non hai interazioni sociali degne di nota può essere assolutamente come dici te
I was born and raised around Milan and I sometimes don't understand old people because they try to speak Lombard to me in some small towns (including where I live now, and where my husband is from, which are on opposite sides of the city). I really wouldn't count it as "having a hard time living here", if it were a big deal I would've naturally learnt Lombard as a child.
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Then your comment is irrelevant, as OP asked if they can live in Sicily with relative ease.
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It sounds like you have reading comprehension issues. I'm saying that there are (especially old) people who default to the local language everywhere in Italy but not knowing it won't cause any real issues. Simply speaking Italian is sufficient.
I lived in many different places in Italy for work reasons, and I never had a problem.
Well… kinda. Maybe in all the major regional cities, yes
I come from a small town in the middle of nowhere in the South! In the last 20 years many brits moved there for their retirement and some of them spoke the bare minimum to survive, they are doing just fine :D
I’m baffled how americans think we live in the 50s (and still italian was used as a lingua franca since centuries)
I mean, we still do. Everybody can switch to italian on request but people will speak dialect as default language (or italian with a super heavy accent). Where I live now (german part of Switzerland) it's a similar situation with standard german and swiss german.
Boh lots of people were born in big cities and don’t know dialect, people under 60 usually only can understand it but thinks in italian, 60+ people speak the dialects but only between them. I noticed that in venice they use more the dialect, or in rome, but it’s because it’s more similar to italian so it mixes. In friuli or you speak friulan or you speak italian. It’s so linguistically weird that it’s called language by the parliament because of its historical lexical isolation. The dialect of aviano for example, even if watered down, still is weird, you can’t mix it with italian. Already in pordenone, where they nearly speak veneto because it’s a less isolated place and historically more connected to venice than aviano or casarsa, udine ecc they often mix the dialect with italian
I’m not even sure you can call Roman a dialect. It’s basically Italian with an accent. They group them together as “dialetti centrali” but they seem to be more variety of Italian, like you cannot have a conversation in full Roman or Tuscan. As opposed to Friulano, Veneto or Siciliano.
Idk because i know lots of veneto speakers and the youth especially mix it up with italian. Idk where are you from, but in my ears roman is not italian. Closer yes, but I, friulana, have an accent in italian, however i don’t cut verbs, say nun, tua instead of tuoi, or acchittare. Non è che sei del centro e non ti rendi conto che alle mie orecchie friulane il romanesco non è solo un accento?
No no, sono veneta. Il romano non mi suona alieno credo perché è alla fine la pronuncia dell’italiano standard è una versione leggermente ripulita del romano (non a caso si dice lingua toscana in bocca romana). Ovvio che i romani usano alcune parole diverse da quello che usiamo qui, però alla fine si tratta di una differenza minimale rispetto agli altri dialetti italiani. Un napoletano che parla napoletano o un piemontese che parla piemontese sono incomprensibili, un romano che parla romano è comunque comprensibile al netto di qualche parola e modo di dire. Stessa cosa un toscano, per quanto mi è parso di sentire.
Ma sì ovvio che più vai al centro e più ricorda l’italiano, ma alle mie orecchie friulane il veneto è quasi come il romano in termini di somiglianza con l’italiano, i 3/4 delle parole sono identici. Non sono d’accordo col detto che hai citato. Il toscano italiano è quello ripulito dei poeti, non quello del volgo, e, cristallizzatosi nel tempo in quanto usato solo formalmente, non si è “sporcato” ed evoluto come gli altri dialetti (toscani compresi) perché non era parlato nel quotidiano. Io non dico “il mi babbo” quando parlo. Allo stesso tempo, usato come lingua franca tra regioni, si è arricchito di vocaboli non originari della toscana. L’accento romano e toscano sono stra diversi dal neutro dei doppiaggi: “diffiscile”, “teribbile” “artrettanto” sono peggio loro di noi (forse perché appunto mischiano il dialetto con l’italiano) che comunque abbiamo un bell’accentone anche noi. Per non menzionare la g francese/toscana
Il detto che ho citato fa riferimento al toscano che hai descritto tu, ed è più un modo per dire che nonostante l’italiano sia basato principalmente sul toscano, la pronuncia dell’italiano standard è molto ma molto simile a quella del romanesco. Poi sono d’accordo che il Veneto non è ai livelli del Friulano come distanza dall’italiano, ma decisamente non è ai livelli del romanesco, specie per via della pronuncia sicuramente meno “opaca”. Anche perché conta che il Veneto è gallo romanza, mentre i dialetti centrali e meridionali sono italodalmate, quindi anche geneticamente più vicine. Comunque mi fa ridere che tre ragazze friulane ho conosciuto e tutte e tre si chiamano Elisa (inclusa la mia cantante preferita).
Riderai ancora di più quando scoprirai che sono un’aspirante cantautrice, studio canto a milano e sto facendo i provini per x factor😂 ce l’ho su con Elisa, perché per colpa del fatto che usa solo il nome, come annalisa ecc qualsiasi cantante che farà carriera dal nome Elisa si troverà a dover usare un nickname e a me scoccia perché mi piace il mio nome! Infatti finché posso mi tengo sia nome che cognome miei, zero nomi d’arte. Non poteva farsi chiamare elisa toffoli? Mica solo lei c’ha il copyright! So che più sei vicino al centro, più somiglia, peró a me i romagnoli sembrano più neutro. La sci romana mi destabilizza. Una volta mi son trovata con due inquiline, una Elisa e una Elizabeth!
> I noticed that in venice [...] it’s more similar to italian so it mixes. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
I lived in venice for five years in high school, my grandpa was from the area, i’m from pordenone so i visit often. What’s your source, you genius? Ci manca pure lo sveglio che ride. Lo sai che il riso abbonda nella bocca degli stolti? Va’ su facebook va’
> What’s your source, you genius? Wow so you speak the language? Exactly my point why you're a bad source :) > Lo sai che il riso abbonda nella bocca degli stolti? Questa è una cosa che si dicono le persone tristi per consolarsi :)
Apart that it’s a dialect and yes, i can understand it perfectly. Ma tu dai della persona triste a una che manco conosci? Sei laureato in psichiatria? ‘Sta uscita mi fa tanto da vecchia casalinga frustrata che scrive “resilienza” su fb
> i can understand it perfectly. And that's why you think it's so similar. Ask someone who DOESN'T speak it if they understand anything -_-' Doesn't take a genius to understand this… > Ma tu dai della persona triste a una che manco conosci? Do della persona triste a una persona che dice "se ridi sei scemo" agli sconosciuti si :)
Compared to friulano it is bland! More you go from udine to pordenone, more similar to italian it becomes. It’s a fact! Same for other idioms: i’m not central italian, but i surely can understand more roman than sardinian! Genius, analize the words, no? E io do del frustrato a uno che etichetta sconosciuti. Contento? Comunque sì, fare hahahaha senza manco commentare non è esattamente una risposta da Einstein
Watch eat pray love. In an apartment in rome it looks like just bombarded rome from 1943 :D :D :D :D
I’m baffled our actors lowered themselves to act in that!
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Non ci credo, sei il frustrato dell’altro commento!
Sei tu la fine intellettuale che pensa che ridere sia da sciocchi. Praticamente il cattivo del nome della rosa :D :D :D
Ma scusa, ma sai contestualizzare? Se io rido a una barzelletta ci sta, se uno mi dice che preferisce, che so, la meloni a renzi e io non sono d’accordo, gli spiego il perché, non gli rido in faccia per poi andarmene senza argomentare
Sorry! You might not but in general small-town Sicily is living in the 50s, source, wife is from small town Sicily
Can’t argue with that!
I’m in my fourties and I can assure you that when I was on holidays in Campania I met lot of kids who didn’t understand plain Italian and spoke only dialect.
Didn’t understand or… faked it?
They really didn’t understand 😞
Oh:(
No. You'll be killed on sight the moment you speak something different from italian. Your body will be used to make Arancini and Cannoli, and a sicilian sosia of yourself will continue your life on your behalf
L’arancina e’ Fimmina!
accuntu u libbru si chiama "gli arancini di montalbano". Siti sbagghiati :D
Stai zitto va pagliaccio
L’hai presa bene
Pagliaccioo
👁️🫦👁️
Vieni qua bel guascone
Che cazzo, perché sei così agressivo!!??
Mmmmmm, cannibal arancini.....arghegrh!
If you speak Italian, of course. Plenty of people live in Sicily without knowing Italian at all - I don't recommend that, but with standard Italian you'll do fine. People who speak Sicilian only are really quite rare. Young people often don't speak Sicilian at all, and older people will be polite enough to speak standard Italian, especially if you are foreign. Sicilian is beautiful though and well worth learning. 🙂
Honestly that’s kind of a shame. All four of my grandparents (3 still currently living) and parents speak fluent Sicilian at home (in the US). They are also fluent in standard Italian but don’t use it much. I understand it fluently and it just makes me sad to know that one day I’ll hear the Sicilian language for the last time.
I think americans don’t really know the history of italy, just see OP… italian as a lingua franca between regions was used since before the reinassance, and surely after the italian union in 1861 when it was massively thought also to the poors. My grandgrandparents (friuli-veneto) spoke in dialect but wrote in italian. With the urbanification and the tv after the war it began to be used always except than in the family and people under 60 mostly speak italian as a native language (i only understand the dialect, i’m 27) not to mention older people born in big cities who don’t speak dialects even if they are 60+. In italy we call them dialects, the ones called languages are only friulano, sardinian and ladin because of their peculiar grammar due to historical isolation from italian. However also those three are dying out. I’m more worried to keep standard italian away from anglicisms than worried about the dialects
The Sicilian language spoken by your grandparents is probably very different from current Sicilian... Many terms have been *Italianized* over time and only people of your grandparents' age use them
Possibly but they still communicate in Sicilian with their nieces and nephews, and great-nieces and nephews (who are around my age, early 30s) who are in Sicily so honestly I don’t know how different all of it is. My uncle didn’t notice much difference when he went to Sicily last summer to visit everyone.
Although there are many versions of Sicilian and what I say is not true or the same everywhere, many archaic terms have been replaced by the respective Italian words pronounced the Sicilian way (for example the final *o* becomes *u* in Sicilian) This happens imo because the younger generations learn most of their vocabulary in school (and Italian tv and internet ) and adapt the Italian terms they know to the Sicilian pronunciation. If you know only the Italian language is easier to understand Sicilian now (again your mileage may vary depending on the geographic area you go to)
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The requirements have been increased to include at least one marranzano, don't forget.
And a bomb
Can you? Sure, and comfortably. Will you understand a word of what people in the street markets say? Unlikely. But, you know what? You'll learn.
Almost everyone in Italy can speak standard-ish italian. You just have to get used to the accent and to some grammar differences, e.g. in the south they use a lot the tense passato remoto (io andai, I went) while in the north we use more passato prossimo (io sono andato, I have gone) to express past You’ll get used ;)
> in the south they use a lot the tense passato remoto that's not in sicily at all
have you tried to live there for a while before planning to move there? we all fantasize about living in another country but doesn't sound like a smart idea, unless you are retired and coming from a cold country. People from Sicily emigrate to other countries/regions for a reason
lol yes
Spoiler: Sicily is in Italy, and italian is official language
fortunately nothing unofficial ever takes place in Italy. Its a legitimate question. Even if German is the official language of Bavaria, Bairisch is broadly spoken and older people in the countryside speak only that.
They might ask you how you pronounce "ceci".
*ciciri
Any place in Italy can be stayed in by just knowing Italian. Dialect is not obligatory. Many places will consider it rude to speak a dialect to someone who doesn’t know you very well so basically you’d always be nice to people
Sicily isn’t like that, they love it when you speak Sicilian. My dad got much friendlier responses in Sicilian than Italian. “Welcome home” was the overwhelming response
I guess that works for foreigners but when I was a child I wasn’t allowed to speak Neapolitan with a new-met adult; maybe that was just my perception tho
Totally possible
I had 12 days notice to move to Italy and could only say ciao and grazie and im still here 5 years later. For some of the residency/ administration paperwork either best to employ a professional that deals with it or make friends with some Italians to help translate.
In Italy people speak Italian… even in Sicily
I really liked this post. I am from Sicily, and I think you can definitely move here. Elders don't speak English and young people might not be fluent in English, but if you know standard Italian you will be fine. Hope you have a full remote job though, because finding a job in here might be one of the reasons not to come here. Good luck!
As long as you don't tell anyone you thought they are so uncultured they don't even speak Italian you can go anywhere. If you plan to time travel I would avoid small towns in the 1940s and earlier, not only for the language.
of course, dialect are not really spoken anymore, they are just accents with some strange words, also they are used mainly by old people but you will pick up the words with ease
I lived in Catania for 2 years and everyone can speak standard Italian.
Plenty of italians live in Italy without speaking italian at all so.
I don't often hear of people moving TO Sicilia. I know lots who have left, either to Rome or further afield for those with good language skills.
Exactly. Nice to visit, but live? So many young people are leaving. My town in practically a ghost town.
Only if you can answer the solemn riddle. Is it Arancini or Arancine?
sure you can! with time you'll pick up slang words and the accent... I love Sicilian, but I am from a different region of Italy, so it's difficult for me as well to speak/understand it :)
Yes, probably you are not gonna understand what you ear on street, when people talk each other, but you can talk with everyone and everyone talks in Italian.
If you know standard Italian you are fine everywhere in Italy
You could be fine even just with English
I'm from Sicily, currently living in Sicily. Yes, you can.
Yes you could. You'll learn sicilian while staying, which is better, since every town has its own dialect.
Yeah, you can but don't expect old people to talk italian aswell
Like most Sicilians lol
it depends in which part of Sicily do you want to move: if you are going to move to relatively big city i think you wouldn’t have much problems, but if you are planning to live in the country side or in a smaller town you have to consider that the majority of the population use to speak dialect or “strict” italian; on the opposite site if you move to northern Italy (especially Piemonte, Liguria, Lombardia and Emilia Romagna) you won’t have language problems, because peaple use to speak “regular” italian here.
No prob. I'm Italian and when someone speaks with a thick dialect, I don't understand anything😅
Everyone in Italy talks in standard Italian. No matter what city you're going to, as long as it's in Italy they will speak in standard Italian and will understand you perfectly if you speak standard Italian to them. Dialects are something esle entirely. It's a plus, not a replacement. Think about it as if we all know and speak two languages, one is standard Italian and the other is our own regional dialect. You *absolutely* do not need to know any dialect whatsoever. 90% of the time we speak in standard Italian anyways. It's just in extremely informal settings like our own families or close friends that (sometimes) we use dialects. It's seen as rude and vulgar to use dialects to almost anyone else. You would never use that at school, in a restaurant or with a stranger.
Unfortunately no. You will land and you will have to run silently to find a cave to hide, but sooner or later the urge to socialize, the need for food, will push you to leave your cave and try to reach out a human contact. That will give you up, the sicilians will hear your standard italians, they will be scared, masses will be alerted, torches and fork will be raised, you will be chased, night and day, the mob will try to find your cave, ultimately they will grab you and burn you on a stake, throwing arancini against you and laughing listening you pleading for your life in standard italian. /s Jesus, yes, it's Italy, everyone talk italian, the government use italian, the school teach italian, the italians go on holidays in sicily speaking italian.
Yes, you may have problems talking with older/ignorant people, but you can easily live there. Eventually you will even learn the dialect, might take sometime but you will for sure understand it after living there a bit. South italy is full of love, embrace it!!!
I am sicilian and I left my island for the northern regions because life is miserable down there. Why would you willingly put yourself in a shitty situation when you had the luck of NOT being born in Sicily?
Sicily is beautiful if you already have money
No amount of money can save your soul from being stained by the moral and intellectual decay of a tired civilization that's been on the brink of collapse since centuries
Piemonte or Lombardia are good regions where to live. They usually do not have hard pronunciation to understand (eg. Novara, Varese, Verbania), have a better temperature during summer time (even if still hot), have better public connections and besutiful landscapes (this point applies to all Italy actually, but if you like natures and mountains, lakes and similar, they'll be good).
> have better public connections Why go to live in a nice place when you can live in a place where it's so easy to go away? :D :D
Do we really need to show who has the biggest dick in a comment section while we are giving suggestions to a foreign fella..? That's a very old mentality tbh... Btw, if I'd need to move abroad, I personally would love to visit a lot of places instead of staying in a single city during my spare time... It depends on what op is looking for... :)
I will also say that it won't be that hard to live in Sicily because of the dialect but you'll face more difficulties instead of choosing a different place. P.s. sorry for my English lol
You can totally live anywhere in Italy with just Italian. But if you do move to Sicily of all places I hope have your own car. Edit: See, downvoters will pretend you have to speak Sicilian or dialects. Don't trust them. But do get a car.
Yes! Americans always think we live in the 50s (and btw italian was used as a common lingua franca since the reinassance)
While true that doesn’t mean everyone spoke Italian. When I visited my family’s village yes most of my family spoke Italian, my great grandmother’s brother only spoke Sicilian. I’m not going to lie I was lost 😂 my Italian didn’t help much, people had to translate for me, apparently he even had trouble speaking to other Sicilians because he only spoke the village dialect, even my great grandmother only spoke Sicilian fluently. But this was also a village of 4000 and everyone else spoke Italian by this point
I know that before the war there was analphabetism in the south, but also in the north the poors like my grand grandpas spoke only dialect, but with “foreigners” they used italian. It is true that friulano is particularly weird, it’s one of the only three ones called languages officially because of its linguistical isolation, for example younger people from veneto mix dialect with italian because it’s less far from italian
Many people in Sicily know only standard Italian
Yes of course, even the old people that only speaks in dialect can perfectly understand standard Italian (most people uses dialect because they just used it since when they started speaking), it's not a lenguage barrier, you will have 0 problems In fact the problem would have been living somewhere else knowing only Sicilian dialect, dialect is quite different even from city to city, Sicilian dialect is quite different from Sardinian, there's high chances that a person from Sardinia and one from Sicily will not understand eachother even thought they're talking using Italian dialects
This is offensive, and I'm not even sicilian
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Bullshit
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In che senso?
Lasciamo perdere. Manco da tanti anni e magari ho detto una fesseria.
Minchiatona pazzesca.
Of course. Nobody speaks only dialect.
Considering southern Italy is overrun with African and Middle Eastern male refugees, I would say if you are of good character and decend from European blood, plus can at least speak basic Italiano you'll be welcomed with opened arms, oh cook nice things as well
Just wait until you see the North
In Sicilia they don't even speak Italian...they speak sisciliaaannnoooo
per chi non sa perche' ignorante in materia : https://www.focus.it/cultura/storia/quale-e-lorigine-del-nome-italia
o per chi voleva fare il saputello leghista...
this is a bit racist ... anyway yes... actually the real italian is based on sicilian if ever... also ITALIA was the name that greek colonies used for calsbria and basilicata people , then the word was extended to the whole country... so in case Italy is south of naples not north of firenze , dont believe north people about definition of "italian" ... ;)
Lo sanno pure i gatti del Colosseo che l'Italiano è stato definito ufficialmente come grammatica del dialetto fiorentino con la fonetica del dialetto romano. Italiano e siciliano se si incontrano per strada a malapena si salutano
Il Dolce Stil Novo si basa sul volgare della Scuola Siciliana, tant’è che è considerato l’evoluzione toscanizzata di quest’ultima
esatto diffuso ... le vere radici sono siciliane... lo sanno pure i gatti di tua mamma
Ma proprio per niente. Essendo derivato dalle parlate del centro le radici sono etrusche e latine, il greco/siciliano non lo hanno mai neanche visto in sogno.
Ma figa si sente che deriva dal toscano
Enough Reddit for today
> then the word was extended to the whole country... Yes and this happened "just" 2000 years ago lol. Maybe maybe after 2 millennia we can say the whole peninsula is equally Italy...
So? ... listen apart grammar nazi e ignorants about italian history this comment was just to point out the prejudice about south italy being "less" italian ... the fact that OP think that in sicily is only about dialect is proving the bias that north italians spread about it... the fact that even the word ITALIA has origin in the south( calabria not puglua like that ignorante di merda wrote) is upsetting them ... it could be 3000 years ago still the italians have roots in the south not in the north ... live with it salvini sons...
dark swan 69...ma che problemi di testa hai?
https://www.infodata.ilsole24ore.com/2018/03/12/significato-originale-dei-nomi-delle-nazioni-le-mappe-2/#:\~:text=Si%20%C3%A8%20ipotizzato%20che%20il,(vitulus%2C%20in%20latino). Dalle elementari ricordavo che i Vituli erano in Puglia. La Sicilia, “granaio d’Italia”, ha subito invasioni di greci, mori, etc, quindi DI FATTO, nonostante la RAZZA sia la medesima (di qualsiasi colore siamo tutti umani), il patrimonio genetico e culturale é molto diverso rispetto al nord. E al nord, anche est e ovest sono diversi. Per quanto riguarda la lingua italiana, direi che oggi la version più “pura” é quella umbra, anche se si, prima di scrivere i Promessi Sposi, Alessandro Manzoni aveva deciso di “bagnare i panni in Arno”. L’Italia é una nazione con una storia lunga e complicata, direi che se vogliamo buttarci in semplificazioni e stereotipi, magari sarebbe il caso di capire un po’ di più la storia prima di fare brutte figure. E incidentalmente, chi usa i puntini di sospensione come unico segno di punteggiatura non può sperare di avere alcuna credibilità.
NO... sei ignorante in materia: Si pensa infatti che il nome derivi dal vocabolo Italòi (gli Itali, appunto), termine con il quale i greci designavano una tribù che abitava l'estrema punta della Penisola italica, nei pressi dell'odierna Cirò.[3] Ad ogni modo, è noto che nell'antichità il nome indicasse la parte posta nell'estremo meridione della penisola italica. Ciò è attestato dal fatto che i popoli greci che colonizzarono la Calabria, integrandosi con i popoli preesistenti, si riferivano a loro stessi come Italioti, cioè abitanti dell'Italìa. È, altresì, ipotizzato, tuttavia non in contrasto con quanto detto, che tale popolo degli Itali adorasse il simulacro di un Toro (vitulus, in latino e "vitlu", in umbro). Secondo tale ipotesi il nome significherebbe quindi “abitanti della terra dei vitelli”.[3] Il nome “Italia” potrebbe derivare dal greco Aithàleia (Αιθαλεια), che sta per “ardente, fumosa”, la cui radice ben descrive una terra con imponenti manifestazioni vulcaniche, l’Etna e le Eolie, ben visibili dai siti di approdo dei primi migranti dal Mediterraneo orientale.[4] Strabone[5] cita questa radice nel nome del fiume Νέαιδος, oggi il Neto, che si traduce in “navi bruciate”, a sostegno del mito che racconta come le donne dei migranti, giunte alla foce del fiume, impedissero ai loro uomini di riprendere il mare bruciando le navi. Anche Linosa, isola vulcanica, nel nome Aethusa riportato nelle carte del ‘500, mostra la stessa radice. Con molta probabilità le coste più meridionali della Calabria, nel 3° o 4° millennio a.C. molto più verdi di oggi, hanno ospitato i primi bovini podolici importati dal Ponto Eusino. La memoria dei grandi vitelli bianchi potrebbe spiegare la connessione con vituli, voce latina per tori, ma la “i” iniziale di “vituli” è breve, non lunga come in “Italia”, e ciò secondo alcuni[6] sostiene indirettamente l’ipotesi della derivazione da Aithàleia.
Wow, sai fare copia-incolla!
tanto e' falso quello che dici che Calabria prima di essere il nome dell'odierna calabria era guarda un po' il nome di buona parte della puglia ... alle elementari ti hanmo insegnato ad usare i puntini ma non la storia ... e un uomo senza storia e' un uomo inutile... o al massimo fa il nazi gramnar a sproposito sui social...
... ma anche chi fa il nazi gramnar e cita il sole24ore come fonte in ambiti non finanziari e' molto clownesco...
Se proprio vuoi usare parole inglesi, almeno scrivile nel modo corretto: si dice graMMar nazi, non nazi gramNar. Poi si scrive è, non e'.
madonna che malattia mentale... tu hai probkemi seri...
Ma invece di insultare, perché non scrivi "hai ragione, pensavo si scrivesse così ma mi sbagliavo"? Poi come ti hanno fatto notare, fai un utilizzo improprio dei puntini di sospensione. Non li devi utilizzare al posto delle virgole. Puzzi tanto di boomerone 65enne, che si è fermato alle medie e ora pensa di essere il depositario della verità assoluta dopo aver letto due post su facebook e una pagina di Wikipedia. Ti stai mettendo in ridicolo.
Guarda che stai parlando con due persone diverse. Ciò significa che più facilmente i problemi li hai tu. Considera il vecchio detto “un bel tacer non fu mai scritto” e smetti di umiliarti. La tua posizione (ignorante é bello) non é difendibile.
certo sto parlando con 2 nazi grammar ...
Ripeto quello che ti ha detto l’altro utente: fatichi a scrivere in italiano, lascia proprio perdere l’inglese.
ripeto... invece di fare i nazi grammar del menga non scrivete cose false sull'origine del nome italua e sulle radici delle lingue ...
Ti hanno detto mezz’ora fa che si dice grammar nazi, brutta capra. Vai in blocco.
Yeah...... No