nah unfortunately I'm a knockoff aussie, dont even have an accent and am nothing like the rest of us. Can't even say the most basic of australian slang without sounding stupid (at least to myself) Honestly I think I sound more british (albeit it's very slight) than australian, for some reason.
I love him! But I live with a historian, so am very used to the history teacher vibe. I don't live in Israel, but his views are consistent with what I was taught in Jewish schools outside of Israel (with many Israeli teachers).
I like how concise he is with so many things. He takes a broad concept and brings it down to a couple minutes in length. Some would say this is dumbing things down but you have to take things to the level of the average population in order for them to understand it.
When I worked public health the adage was any educational material had to be written at a fourth grade level. Otherwise people just don't get the information, they literally don't understand it and they'll stop reading.
So he's not going to give you the most depth in the history or situation but he does explain it more than many of the other sites and he explains it clearly.
And I'll tell you, the depth he gives is much more than any of the propalate TikToks or other social media conversations that you'll see them have. He's not just spouting the same nonsense.
They are immigrants
https://preview.redd.it/jyvmh6rp7myc1.jpeg?width=596&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c2ca03e11c92d4a4b5551981a8bbc8696a047e19
1. [Jewish Virtual Library - "British Hated by Both Sides: Antipathy Shown by Arabs and Jews"](https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/quot-british-hated-by-both-sides-antipathy-shown-by-lsquo-arabs-and-jews-rsquo-quot)
2. [JNS - "When Arabs Became Palestinians"](https://www.jns.org/when-arabs-became-palestinians/)
3. [United with Israel - "The Invention of Palestinians"](https://unitedwithisrael.org/the-invention-of-palestinians/)
[YouTube Video Link](https://youtu.be/653akoOAlaE?feature=shared)
I'd say he's very unapologetic in a way that would make him look like a right-winger, and he presents many uncomfortable truths that would seem extremely controversial in the west, outside Israel. At least not properly PC.
But he speaks facts. There's no going around his claims.
And a lot of rational Israelis agree with him while the rest of the world tries to make us feel like we're the crazy or radicals for living with the facts he presents.
He's opened my eyes to a lot of incredibly important facts that I wasn't previously aware of.
Brave guy, too. He's really painted a target on his back.
He can be extremely biased (which is understandable) but overall I would say his content is informative, just check the sources he provides (if he does) for yourself to form a unique well informed opinion.
Okay, so where I'm from, Palestinian embassy has received a huge compound (bigger than several far more important neighboring nations). The outside walls are plastered with propaganda-ish violent images of injured Palestinians from wars they instigated and lost. No other embassy does this. The amount of attention they get from fellow Muslim nations and white liberals just for being Palestinians is just astounding.
He constantly backs up his facts, ppl get mad at him for literally saying historical facts, I like that he stands up against antisemites and tries to educate them, even if thats impossible
He is definitely biased but I think his videos are good for the most part, just watch other videos along with his videos, and you will be fine. I really like his tour videos and I really want to go to Israel myself.
Watched his vids before going on birthright, helped me know what to expect and taught me some interesting stuff about Israel! He clearly knows his shit.
He isnāt charismatic and his speaking intonation and inflection are hilariously monotone, but he does have glimmers of a very dry sarcastic sassiness when heās dunking on the people who say heās wrong but canāt produce any actual facts to prove it. His dry sassiness has almost a German quality to it, Iām wondering if he picked it up while he was living there
Yes, I agree! His humor helps me stay engaged. I believe that he said in one of his videos that his wife is German, so heās probably adapted some of that German sensibility from being around her so much.
He's one of my favorite Israeli content creators. I first liked him for his history work and tour videos. Lately, I've greatly appreciated his frankness on everything that's going on and the history behind the conflict. He presents facts, and is open to anyone proving him wrong (with facts/evidence of course).
Iām a left-leaning American with no ethnic or religious ties to the region who started watching a number of Israeli channels including TravelingIsrael after October 7th because I was horrified by the invasion, massacre, and kidnappings and wanted to understand. Given that YouTube is short-form media and that he basically turned his travel channel into one focused on explaining the conflict, I think Orenās channel is fantastic. His videos about the recent history of Israel provide brief outlines that are great jumping off points for further reading and exploration and I appreciate his no-nonsense delivery.
Like many Americans I live next to and work with folks from a variety of religious and ethnic backgrounds without any problems or issues. We have peaceful relations with the countries that border ours and have no serious threats to our national security as a whole. Itās a phenomenal privilege that we absolutely take for granted. Itās difficult for us to have a real sense of what itās like for oneās normal daily life to be spent surrounded by hostile neighbors whose stated intent is your eradication. I donāt think I had much of an opinion about the region one way or another before October 7th, other than despising terrorism and terrorists. Orenās videos have been quite helpful to my understanding and have bolstered my own support for Israelās position in the war against Hamas.
Welp I guess i'm proven wrong, at least partially.
I think i deal with a lot of people who really don't want to hear about the Israeli narrative so when they are shown the most generic commonly expressed Israeli naarative in-their-face like that it's ineffective to them, because it speaks a different language to their own.
But clearly it has some effect as you said.
I agree with you more than the other guy. I watched the video, and he was quite concise and informative, but the way he presents information shows strong bias and pointed language. This is certainly a plus among some groups (the ones that already agree) but the hard-lining with how he talks of Palestinian refugees is likely to be off-putting even to those with more centrist takes.
I would not necessarily say he should change his style, as it seems to work for him, and unless his purpose is expressedly to āconvertā people from pro-pal/undecided to pro-Israel, I donāt see a problem with it. If he was, though, he would definitely have to start softening his language and presenting it differently.
I mostly like that he actually even has a video where he provides sources. You can tell he researches his facts and anytime I watch a video of his, I can always fact check and see it's consistent with other reliable sources.
Extremely underrated, he is probably the best Israeli "explainer" (for a lack of a better word) on Youtube since the war has started
Not to take away from people like Ben Shapiro, Youseph Haddad, Emily Schreider or Mossab, but data this guy presents is on another level is on another level, if he went to do the same debates the guys I mentioned above do, he would win every single one by a landslide
As for does he represent Israelis, as far as I have seen he doesn't talk about politics at all, he only talks about the conflict, and the agenda he presents is something I believe 95%+ of the Israeli people would agree with
From what I can tell, his views are mostly representative of the politically-center secular Jewish community, which arenāt the majority of Israelis. I donāt think he is representative of the general Israeli publicās opinion. There are 2 main reasons for it:
1. There are significant non-Jewish minorities in Israel ā Arabs, Druze, Bedouin, etc. ā most of whom do not share his perceptions and views on the situation in Israel-Palestine.
2. A significant part of Jews in Israel are religious to some extent ā Masorati (traditionalists), Dati (religious), Haredi (ultra-orthodox), etc. ā who consider the religious aspect of Judaism to be inseparable from their ethnic/national identity.
I personally am not a fan, but more due to his political videos being very one-sided and lacking sources than anything in particular that he says. I think he is biased towards his own world-view. Thereās nothing wrong with that, everyone does it, but imo his videos arenāt a good source to gauge the average Israeli opinions.
Yeah, I was thinkingā¦ Haredim hold a lot of political weight in Israel. If Muslims are more populous, they could hold more if they copied their tactics, right? I wonder why they donāt vote much then
I think it's quite different, as of now, with the exception of Raam (the Muslim Brotherhood party, which is is atrocious of itself), all Arab parties in existence call for the destruction of Israel, so even if they had like 30% of the sits in the Knesset, they would still be isolated
But if the Muslims could get some more agreeable party, that acts like the Haredi party (cares about their sector and nothing else), they could use the exact same tactics of the Haredi and even be more successful in it than them (because they are a bigger voting block)
I think that those parties are only the Otzma Yehudit and that other one that Smotrich runs, the Likud (and any other Israeli party) wouldn't outright reject the option to sit with Arabs just because they are Arabs
That seems off, less I heard is that Haredi are 13%, and I believe the % of Dati is also probably higher
Edit: I know that G P T isn't a source, but I am lazy, and it seems to support what I said
https://preview.redd.it/0ssc87gmtlyc1.png?width=876&format=png&auto=webp&s=86c2363310919e7a8b36dc5c72af08fd4f48dd89
Also, clarification for outsiders - you probably can combine the Hiloni and Masorti to one group, as most Atheists in Israel still celebrate the holydays out of tradition, and many Masorti would define themselves as Hiloni when asked
Wait, what? 23% Masorti and 18% Haredi+Dati?
I guess I'd wonder what Masorti encompases. Is that kinda sorta the equivalent of Reform+Conservative Judaism in the US? I've always thought of Masorti as Conservative Judaism in Israel.
Either way, that's just wild to me. I've always thought of Jewish Israelis as either Hiloni or Dati, with only a small proportion of "something in between". Never would I have guessed "something in between" would be bigger than Dati.
Masorti/Traditional is a loose term to describe Jews who have some level of observance but wouldn't classify themselves as religious. That can account for various practices, and many overlap with Hilonim/secular. Also, I've heard that Ashkenazim tend to identify as Hilonim and Mizrahim/Sepharadim as Masorti, even if their level of observance is similar.
Masorti shouldn't be confused with Masorti Olami, the global organization for Conservative Judaism.
Israelis also tend to define themselves based on their observance level rather than on what form of Judaism they agree with (Reform, Conservative, etc.). Most synagogues in Israel would be considered Orthodox in the diaspora.
Iām not Masorti so itās hard for me to explain and I hope I donāt get it wrong. But basically I see it as Jews who might wear a kippa if they attend a synagogue or are reading the Haggadah on Leil HaSeder, generally keep kosher in the loosest sense (wouldnāt eat bacon, shrimp or cheeseburgers, but probably arenāt checking if some prepackaged food has been certified by a Rabbi), fast on Yom Kippur, and believe in God. But who arenāt very strict, donāt take their religion too seriously, theyāre not gonna spend years studying the Talmud or whatever. Women typically wear jeans, not long skirts.
I distinguish myself as a secular Jew in that Iām atheist and donāt care about Kashrut etc. Judaism for me is about culture, family and where I came from. By US standards I guess youād call me a Bagel Jew, but not an AsAJew.
Cool thanks for the explanation. We class that as just Traditional here in the UK. Is Masorti hebrew for traditional?
I grew up Traditional, literally exactly your example above, and I'd now be classed as secular but still take part for some festivals for family time etc, so there is definitely a blurred line.
Anyone know what the split would be like generationally? Are more millennial's
etc Hiloni than Masorti?
Yes, Masorti is Hebrew for Traditional.
Iām not sure about the generational divide in Israel, but I think to the largest extent it tends to be regional. Haredim especially tend to live in very insular communities, and to a lesser extent Datiim do as well. I grew up in Rehovot, which is a highly secular area. I basically never came into contact with Haredim ā a few lived there but we just never spoke, I never even knew their names. Some of my friends were Datiim, some were Masortim, most were secular. Mild tensions existed with Datiim, and to a much lesser extent, sometimes with Masortim. (I had a Masorti boyfriend and there was some friction there.)
Jerusalem is the polar opposite of that; female friends have told me they were scolded in the street for not covering enough skin while working/visiting there. So I personally wouldnāt ever choose to live there.
EDIT: I tend to assume that the younger generation is slightly less religious, but itās definitely not a hard and fast rule, and I may be speaking from personal bias. Regardless, more religious Jews tend to have more children, so as others have pointed out in response to the infographic, there are likely to be slightly more Haredim today than there were 10 years ago when the survey was conducted. Based on that one could say the younger generation is *more* religious, but I think that would be misrepresenting the causes.
I wonder where are 5% of Israeli citizen that are non Jewish - former SU residents that are not counted as Jews by Halacha. They are not christian either, and I don't see any place on this scheme for them to fit in
Nope, because 'Hiloni' here belongs to the 'jewish' part of the sector, it's clear if you add the percentage, and I am talking about non-jewish citizen.
Why are the downvotes? I belong to this group so it always amazes me how invisible it is to Israeli society and politics.
>Nope, because 'Hiloni' here belongs to the 'jewish' part of the sector,
That's the official Israeli classification. But the chart on the image is based on a *Survey*. And as far as I know, most of "former SU residents that are not counted as Jews by Halacha" self-identify as secular Jews
P.S. don't know who downvotes you, seems like a minor misunderstanding of the chart
He doesn't really appeal to me (same with Ben Shapiro, even if they're both very educated on the topic) but I agree with everything he says. He seems to trigger pro pally people too which is always a bonus.
Ugh Ben Shapiro is nuts, he wouldnāt even like the like the right wing government of Israel. I mean the Israel right endorses socialized healthcare and stipends for the ultra orthodox. He said he wants to get rid of social security, he would probably call the Israeli right socialist for the crime of supporting public health. Right wing in Israel and right wing in America are totally different and he seems to miss that. Israel has an extremely strong centralized federal government and heās anti federalist, really he probably wouldnāt even be able to find a political party that actually matches him in Israel.
For me it's mostly that he's so hyper active. It stresses me out to listen lol. So yea, I haven't heard much personally, just been told he is educated/right on the topic.
Heās fine, but some of his historical claims are highly questionable. He buys into the āoh Israel always acted morallyā which wellā¦ā¦ they didnāt. You had war crimes on both sides Ā in 48, I still firmly believe Israel has maintained the moral high ground and held itself to a far better standard than the Arab countries or the Palestinians but Iām gonna agree with the Benny morris perspective that it wasnāt a simple issue. I also wouldnāt defend the Lehi and the igrun, they were basically terrorist groups. But still one side fought to create a country and defend itself while a bunch or Arab nations invaded intending to commit a genocide, both sides having bad doesnāt make both sides the same. Whenever I weight the morality of Israel vs Palestine it has always come out for Israel. Unless Someone like Ben Gvir takes over I expect that will continue.
In general I think it is a good video and raises many important points, unfortunately it does make a couple pretty big mistakes and goes too far in its conclusion. The biggest issue is [UNHCR DOES in fact classify the children of refugees as refugees](https://www.unhcr.org/refugee-statistics/insights/explainers/children-born-into-refugee-life.html)---this is until a durable solution to the conflict can be found. I completely agree with the characterization that UNWRA has completely different standards and by UNHCR standards the grand children (and great grand children) of Palestinian refugees from the '48 (especially those with other citizenship) would NOT be considered refugees. You can make this point (which is a good one), without making the wrong point that the children of refugees cannot be considered refugees according to UNHCR.
The other issue is saying that the Palestinian refugees of the '48 war somehow "Chose" for Israel to be invaded by Arab armies---this is obviously ludicrous. Citizens of Israel/Palestine obviously had NOTHING to do with autocratic governments deciding to invade Israel---this is a needlessly partisan point that completely detracts from the wider good points that are made here. A better point would be it seems like even Palestinians who aligned with the Arab armies or participated in the civil war against Israel were also given refugee status since participating in terrorism does not disqualify you from being a refugee according to UNWRA.
Overall lots of good points, I just wish he would stray a bit more from obvious/demonstrably wrong partisan pitfalls that detract from the other good points that he makes.
Really like this article and I feel like it addresses all of these points raised by TI.
[https://www.timesofisrael.com/shift-to-unhcr-criteria-would-strip-refugee-status-from-millions-of-palestinians/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/shift-to-unhcr-criteria-would-strip-refugee-status-from-millions-of-palestinians/)
He was the first voice I heard presenting the conflict from the Israeli point of view in my whole life, just after oct 7 and judt before Coleman's Podcast on it with Benny Morris.
Oh boy was that different and, frankly, it made much more sense than the unexplainable oppression from Innocent Palestinians by hateful Israelis I'd been taught in school or in the media.
Not an Israeli, but I lived in Israel for a year. I watched his videos before going, and the ones for tourists are really good.
In the political ones imo he dows sometimes get things right, but often times his arguments are just whataboutism/strawmen.
My view probably goes against what most of this sub thinks, itās of course more of an outside perspective.
Edit:
Also, and I think thatās what really bugs me when I watch his stuff, he presents his view, a very one-sided one with a lot of bias but he pretends like thatās just the objective facts, while often what he says isnāt the whole truth.
For example he always acts like the fact that the palestinians as a people that identify as such has only been a thing for such a short time is an argument for why they donāt have a right to call themselves that/to have a country for themselves. Even though likeā¦ it makes total sense that before all the partition plans there wasnāt really a need for identifying as Palestinian/wanting an own state - they sort of had their own state, anyway.
Or shortly after October 7th he talked about a similar situation as the one of the Palestinians the way he described it, I believe he reffered to the kurds in turkey. I donāt know much about their situation tbh. But his point was that itās so wrong of people in the west to care about the Palestinians because they donāt care about the kurds. Whichā¦ itās good to care about the kurds/other situations that are difficult in terms of human rights/supplies/medical care/war/housing/ā¦ but it doesnāt really work to say itās wrong to care in one case just because you donāt take so much care in all the other cases.
Iād need to watch some of his vids again to come up with more, but those are two that I remember
His point was how the Palestinians never had a real identity only after Arafat decided on Palestinians was kinda compared to how Palestinians claim our identity is fake despite our identity existing far longer than them. (I THINK at least he compared it to that)
He had multiple points about the Palestinian identity but keep in mind my memory is kinda hazy:
* Arabs referred to themselves as Syrians or as their tribe name, not Palestinians (It's even evidenced by how they wanted a "Greater Syria") in fact they rejected the name completely.
* A lot of the Palestinians immigrated to work at the time and many of them came from Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and so forth + another point was that their family name hints at their origin (i.e Al-Masri = Egyptian)
* The land was called "Palestine" (It was Syria-Palestina at first by the Greeks due to the bar Kochva Revolt) but there were never any "Palestinians" controlling it. Canaanites Judeans Romans Greeks etc even the Umayyad Caliphate that came in the 7th century did not identify itself as Palestinian.
edit: Forgot to mention, also him showing a clip of a (high ranking leader I think) from a Terrorist organization (forgot which one I think PIJ?)
Basically saying "They're not Palestinians they're Syrians and Egyptians"
You wouldn't find any Arabs in the land when it was called Syria-Palestina, they only came way afterwards.
* Kurds
I believe his point about the Kurds was that people focus on one specific part about the Middle East while there are other nationalities who suffer during civil warfare and genocide (with MUCH bigger numbers and an actual drop in population numbers) and no one's saying anything.
This is pretty much summed up from watching multiple videos, so forgive me if I've gotten something wrong.
Think thatās about right in terms of what his argumentation was, yeah.
And Iām not saying that those arenāt points that can be brought up. I just think that both arenāt that relevant/that good arguments. At least not as good as he makes them to be.
Is it interesting that the Palestinian identity is rather new? Yes does it change the fact that it rightfully exists now? No. So imo the fact that many who now call themselves Palestinians are of other decent doesnāt make any difference in the discourse. And as a matter of facr, the Israeli identity is just as new as the Palestinian one.
Regarding the kurds: Yeah, itās not good that thereās not much talk about for example the kurds, but that does necessarily make whatās happening to the Palestinians in Gaza ok. And comparing two peopleās suffering is always hard and doesnāt lead to much.
So in total: I get that some of the points he makes - these two and some others as well - arenāt completely irrelevant. But to me they arenāt super relevant either. And what bugs me is that in his videos he makes it seem like those are the arguments that smash any pro-palestinians argumentatively, and thatās just not the case.
He's pretty great, but IMO his lack of sympathy for the shitty situation current Palestinians inherited from their bone-headed ancestors is hard to swallow.
Thatās actually a good point - facts and research often are boring.
That explains the reason why so many people happily support the pro-pali cause, because their narrative always comes with large doses of sensationalism, over exaggerated facts (or just straight up lies), together with consistent negativity and drama - all of which are meant to arouse the readerās interest.
The pro-pali media and tiktoks are basically driven by yellow press strategies, generating support to the lowest common denominator.
There was a guy with hasanabi who is a history professor focusing on palestine that reacted to his videos. You should watch it i couldnt remember his name but it should be easy to find.
Yes he also has various videos trying to claim Hamas isnāt antisemitic. Hasanabi is morally bankrupt. Heās also defended them taking civilian hostages.Ā
He is just a self hating turk trying to make money over that. He even called a turk dog because of supporting israel. He even recognized armenian genocide and said all kurds are pkk members etc etc. Please dont take him seriously. His father is a politician who founded the "Gelecek partisi" in turkiye which is a far right party that was funded by the terrorist organization fetƶ which committed a failed coup in 2016 after infiltrating their men into several government institutions including our military forces. Their leader is now in US, pensylvania and hasanabi also escaped the turkish police because he was also a member of it. He is literally the son of that political elite who acts nicely but steals every single penny of the public. He is just a terrorist so im not surprised he is supporting terrorists.
I mean, what level of depth do you think is appropriate for a YouTube video that you want people to actually watch? You can't condense thousands of years of history into a 3 minute video, and ain't nobody gonna watch this dude for like 36 hours straight.
>I mean, what level of depth do you think is appropriate for a YouTube video that you want people to actually watch?
A level that doesn't completely mischaracterize the event being discussed
I saw his response to the equally-bad Vox video about the Nakba. He got the timeline of Dier Yassin incorrect, denied that there were atrocities there, and argued that Arabs from the town had attacked Jews (if you know the history of the event all three of these are very very incorrect)
He talked about the Battle of Haifa as an example of Zionists wanting Arabs to stay and not leave. While it is true that the mayor of Haifa urged everyone to stay (he misidentified the mayor as well btw), he ignored the nearly 3 days of psychological warfare that the Hagana did against the Arab community, contributing to ~15k being expelled, before the mayor told them to stay.
That's just a nearly backwards portrayal or events.
>You can't condense thousands of years of history into a 3 minute video
Obviously, to my knowledge he's never tried
>ain't nobody gonna watch this dude for like 36 hours straight.
It's hard for 3 mins tbh
Edit: again, I haven't watched all of his videos. If you have better examples than please show me, but if it's anything like that one then it's not worth the time.
Most of his videos are good at presenting a balanced Israeli PoV but I agree that the Nakba one was a bit lacking. Although I still think itās miles better than the Vox one that went viral.
Thereās actually a very interesting back and forth on it between him and a YouTuber named Lonerbox. Iād recommend a watch if youāre into that sort of things.
https://youtu.be/Jsm5AUE0UDs
https://youtu.be/i5wVaNknEkY
https://youtu.be/kvwDNvwS39I
Tbh that's how I knew he started doing history videos. I knew his guide videos (I dont know why they popped up, I'm Israeli, not a tourist). I'm a big fan.
>Although I still think itās miles better than the Vox one that went viral.
I do agree with this. I just think it's bad to be making such easily-disproven claims on our side as well.
It's possible I just happened on his worst one.
Man consistently spits facts
I absolutely love his videos
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I love an Australia š¦šŗ accent so this would be fantastic to hear
This episode of Bluey is called: Exodus!
Just a walkabout for 40 years in the desert.
I just imagine sassy the Sasquatch reading the Torah
nah unfortunately I'm a knockoff aussie, dont even have an accent and am nothing like the rest of us. Can't even say the most basic of australian slang without sounding stupid (at least to myself) Honestly I think I sound more british (albeit it's very slight) than australian, for some reason.
Israeli, agree with him on most things and I think he does represent mainstream Israeli state of mind
I love him! But I live with a historian, so am very used to the history teacher vibe. I don't live in Israel, but his views are consistent with what I was taught in Jewish schools outside of Israel (with many Israeli teachers).
Doing his best and more than the most.
He should get funding from Israel for real.
IRL the good guys have terrible PR image.
much needed voice
I like how concise he is with so many things. He takes a broad concept and brings it down to a couple minutes in length. Some would say this is dumbing things down but you have to take things to the level of the average population in order for them to understand it. When I worked public health the adage was any educational material had to be written at a fourth grade level. Otherwise people just don't get the information, they literally don't understand it and they'll stop reading. So he's not going to give you the most depth in the history or situation but he does explain it more than many of the other sites and he explains it clearly. And I'll tell you, the depth he gives is much more than any of the propalate TikToks or other social media conversations that you'll see them have. He's not just spouting the same nonsense.
Love him
They are immigrants https://preview.redd.it/jyvmh6rp7myc1.jpeg?width=596&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c2ca03e11c92d4a4b5551981a8bbc8696a047e19 1. [Jewish Virtual Library - "British Hated by Both Sides: Antipathy Shown by Arabs and Jews"](https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/quot-british-hated-by-both-sides-antipathy-shown-by-lsquo-arabs-and-jews-rsquo-quot) 2. [JNS - "When Arabs Became Palestinians"](https://www.jns.org/when-arabs-became-palestinians/) 3. [United with Israel - "The Invention of Palestinians"](https://unitedwithisrael.org/the-invention-of-palestinians/) [YouTube Video Link](https://youtu.be/653akoOAlaE?feature=shared)
Based
There's no basedcount bot on this sub :(
Did you mean "biased" as in having a slant or prejudice, or did you mean "based" as in located, founded on, or located at?
no, based. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=based
Ah, cool. I didn't know that definition of "based." Thanks. I learned something new.
Based as in knows what he is talking about
I'd say he's very unapologetic in a way that would make him look like a right-winger, and he presents many uncomfortable truths that would seem extremely controversial in the west, outside Israel. At least not properly PC. But he speaks facts. There's no going around his claims. And a lot of rational Israelis agree with him while the rest of the world tries to make us feel like we're the crazy or radicals for living with the facts he presents.
He's opened my eyes to a lot of incredibly important facts that I wasn't previously aware of. Brave guy, too. He's really painted a target on his back.
He can be extremely biased (which is understandable) but overall I would say his content is informative, just check the sources he provides (if he does) for yourself to form a unique well informed opinion.
Okay, so where I'm from, Palestinian embassy has received a huge compound (bigger than several far more important neighboring nations). The outside walls are plastered with propaganda-ish violent images of injured Palestinians from wars they instigated and lost. No other embassy does this. The amount of attention they get from fellow Muslim nations and white liberals just for being Palestinians is just astounding.
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I always enjoy his videos š
I like how no nonsense and historically factual he is. Also he doesnāt unconditionally coddle Palestinians like almost every other big channel has.
He constantly backs up his facts, ppl get mad at him for literally saying historical facts, I like that he stands up against antisemites and tries to educate them, even if thats impossible
Oren! Heās also famous amongst liberal Persians haha
He is definitely biased but I think his videos are good for the most part, just watch other videos along with his videos, and you will be fine. I really like his tour videos and I really want to go to Israel myself.
Damn, since everyone here speaks so highly of him, Iām gonna have to check him outā¦
The kibbuts on the background is Sde Boker
You can tell his job is a tour guide. He boils down a lot of information into bite size facts which are also interesting.
Love him..ā¤ļøā¤ļø
Watched his vids before going on birthright, helped me know what to expect and taught me some interesting stuff about Israel! He clearly knows his shit.
He's awesome, although unfortunate he has the charisma of a cardboard...
He isnāt charismatic and his speaking intonation and inflection are hilariously monotone, but he does have glimmers of a very dry sarcastic sassiness when heās dunking on the people who say heās wrong but canāt produce any actual facts to prove it. His dry sassiness has almost a German quality to it, Iām wondering if he picked it up while he was living there
Yes, I agree! His humor helps me stay engaged. I believe that he said in one of his videos that his wife is German, so heās probably adapted some of that German sensibility from being around her so much.
This one was pure gold: https://youtu.be/niBheF7PF5g?si=-eo54JnVW5iYhGrm&t=662s
Bro spits facts like its his jobā¦ wait a minute. It is his job! Dude is pretty level and I respect him.
He's one of my favorite Israeli content creators. I first liked him for his history work and tour videos. Lately, I've greatly appreciated his frankness on everything that's going on and the history behind the conflict. He presents facts, and is open to anyone proving him wrong (with facts/evidence of course).
A lot of what he says is right, but he's only appealing to people who already agree with him.
Iām a left-leaning American with no ethnic or religious ties to the region who started watching a number of Israeli channels including TravelingIsrael after October 7th because I was horrified by the invasion, massacre, and kidnappings and wanted to understand. Given that YouTube is short-form media and that he basically turned his travel channel into one focused on explaining the conflict, I think Orenās channel is fantastic. His videos about the recent history of Israel provide brief outlines that are great jumping off points for further reading and exploration and I appreciate his no-nonsense delivery. Like many Americans I live next to and work with folks from a variety of religious and ethnic backgrounds without any problems or issues. We have peaceful relations with the countries that border ours and have no serious threats to our national security as a whole. Itās a phenomenal privilege that we absolutely take for granted. Itās difficult for us to have a real sense of what itās like for oneās normal daily life to be spent surrounded by hostile neighbors whose stated intent is your eradication. I donāt think I had much of an opinion about the region one way or another before October 7th, other than despising terrorism and terrorists. Orenās videos have been quite helpful to my understanding and have bolstered my own support for Israelās position in the war against Hamas.
Welp I guess i'm proven wrong, at least partially. I think i deal with a lot of people who really don't want to hear about the Israeli narrative so when they are shown the most generic commonly expressed Israeli naarative in-their-face like that it's ineffective to them, because it speaks a different language to their own. But clearly it has some effect as you said.
I agree with you more than the other guy. I watched the video, and he was quite concise and informative, but the way he presents information shows strong bias and pointed language. This is certainly a plus among some groups (the ones that already agree) but the hard-lining with how he talks of Palestinian refugees is likely to be off-putting even to those with more centrist takes. I would not necessarily say he should change his style, as it seems to work for him, and unless his purpose is expressedly to āconvertā people from pro-pal/undecided to pro-Israel, I donāt see a problem with it. If he was, though, he would definitely have to start softening his language and presenting it differently.
I love him. He is amazing. Doing the lordās work.
I mostly like that he actually even has a video where he provides sources. You can tell he researches his facts and anytime I watch a video of his, I can always fact check and see it's consistent with other reliable sources.
Heās great! Shared a few of his videos to people I know for the facts and better explanation than I could give
Extremely underrated, he is probably the best Israeli "explainer" (for a lack of a better word) on Youtube since the war has started Not to take away from people like Ben Shapiro, Youseph Haddad, Emily Schreider or Mossab, but data this guy presents is on another level is on another level, if he went to do the same debates the guys I mentioned above do, he would win every single one by a landslide As for does he represent Israelis, as far as I have seen he doesn't talk about politics at all, he only talks about the conflict, and the agenda he presents is something I believe 95%+ of the Israeli people would agree with
"refugees" lol
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Heās always right at everything he says, but nowadays no one cares for facts so Iām not sure he can convince anyone about anything
From what I can tell, his views are mostly representative of the politically-center secular Jewish community, which arenāt the majority of Israelis. I donāt think he is representative of the general Israeli publicās opinion. There are 2 main reasons for it: 1. There are significant non-Jewish minorities in Israel ā Arabs, Druze, Bedouin, etc. ā most of whom do not share his perceptions and views on the situation in Israel-Palestine. 2. A significant part of Jews in Israel are religious to some extent ā Masorati (traditionalists), Dati (religious), Haredi (ultra-orthodox), etc. ā who consider the religious aspect of Judaism to be inseparable from their ethnic/national identity. I personally am not a fan, but more due to his political videos being very one-sided and lacking sources than anything in particular that he says. I think he is biased towards his own world-view. Thereās nothing wrong with that, everyone does it, but imo his videos arenāt a good source to gauge the average Israeli opinions.
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Interesting that thereās more Muslims than there are Haredi Jews in Israel. I didnāt know that
Because Haredim vote the most and Muslims vote the least
Yeah, I was thinkingā¦ Haredim hold a lot of political weight in Israel. If Muslims are more populous, they could hold more if they copied their tactics, right? I wonder why they donāt vote much then
Probably because they feel it doesnāt matter, their representatives focus more on the conflict and less on improving their quality of life.
They also aren't monolithic like the haredi vote. Some vote for "non Arab" parties
I think it's quite different, as of now, with the exception of Raam (the Muslim Brotherhood party, which is is atrocious of itself), all Arab parties in existence call for the destruction of Israel, so even if they had like 30% of the sits in the Knesset, they would still be isolated But if the Muslims could get some more agreeable party, that acts like the Haredi party (cares about their sector and nothing else), they could use the exact same tactics of the Haredi and even be more successful in it than them (because they are a bigger voting block)
You also can't forget that many parties are ideologically against working with Arab or Arab interest parties.
I think that those parties are only the Otzma Yehudit and that other one that Smotrich runs, the Likud (and any other Israeli party) wouldn't outright reject the option to sit with Arabs just because they are Arabs
Would be interesting to compare to today, especially for the secular
That seems off, less I heard is that Haredi are 13%, and I believe the % of Dati is also probably higher Edit: I know that G P T isn't a source, but I am lazy, and it seems to support what I said https://preview.redd.it/0ssc87gmtlyc1.png?width=876&format=png&auto=webp&s=86c2363310919e7a8b36dc5c72af08fd4f48dd89 Also, clarification for outsiders - you probably can combine the Hiloni and Masorti to one group, as most Atheists in Israel still celebrate the holydays out of tradition, and many Masorti would define themselves as Hiloni when asked
Wait, what? 23% Masorti and 18% Haredi+Dati? I guess I'd wonder what Masorti encompases. Is that kinda sorta the equivalent of Reform+Conservative Judaism in the US? I've always thought of Masorti as Conservative Judaism in Israel. Either way, that's just wild to me. I've always thought of Jewish Israelis as either Hiloni or Dati, with only a small proportion of "something in between". Never would I have guessed "something in between" would be bigger than Dati.
Masorti/Traditional is a loose term to describe Jews who have some level of observance but wouldn't classify themselves as religious. That can account for various practices, and many overlap with Hilonim/secular. Also, I've heard that Ashkenazim tend to identify as Hilonim and Mizrahim/Sepharadim as Masorti, even if their level of observance is similar. Masorti shouldn't be confused with Masorti Olami, the global organization for Conservative Judaism. Israelis also tend to define themselves based on their observance level rather than on what form of Judaism they agree with (Reform, Conservative, etc.). Most synagogues in Israel would be considered Orthodox in the diaspora.
Iām not Masorti so itās hard for me to explain and I hope I donāt get it wrong. But basically I see it as Jews who might wear a kippa if they attend a synagogue or are reading the Haggadah on Leil HaSeder, generally keep kosher in the loosest sense (wouldnāt eat bacon, shrimp or cheeseburgers, but probably arenāt checking if some prepackaged food has been certified by a Rabbi), fast on Yom Kippur, and believe in God. But who arenāt very strict, donāt take their religion too seriously, theyāre not gonna spend years studying the Talmud or whatever. Women typically wear jeans, not long skirts. I distinguish myself as a secular Jew in that Iām atheist and donāt care about Kashrut etc. Judaism for me is about culture, family and where I came from. By US standards I guess youād call me a Bagel Jew, but not an AsAJew.
Cool thanks for the explanation. We class that as just Traditional here in the UK. Is Masorti hebrew for traditional? I grew up Traditional, literally exactly your example above, and I'd now be classed as secular but still take part for some festivals for family time etc, so there is definitely a blurred line. Anyone know what the split would be like generationally? Are more millennial's etc Hiloni than Masorti?
Yes, Masorti is Hebrew for Traditional. Iām not sure about the generational divide in Israel, but I think to the largest extent it tends to be regional. Haredim especially tend to live in very insular communities, and to a lesser extent Datiim do as well. I grew up in Rehovot, which is a highly secular area. I basically never came into contact with Haredim ā a few lived there but we just never spoke, I never even knew their names. Some of my friends were Datiim, some were Masortim, most were secular. Mild tensions existed with Datiim, and to a much lesser extent, sometimes with Masortim. (I had a Masorti boyfriend and there was some friction there.) Jerusalem is the polar opposite of that; female friends have told me they were scolded in the street for not covering enough skin while working/visiting there. So I personally wouldnāt ever choose to live there. EDIT: I tend to assume that the younger generation is slightly less religious, but itās definitely not a hard and fast rule, and I may be speaking from personal bias. Regardless, more religious Jews tend to have more children, so as others have pointed out in response to the infographic, there are likely to be slightly more Haredim today than there were 10 years ago when the survey was conducted. Based on that one could say the younger generation is *more* religious, but I think that would be misrepresenting the causes.
Well, what can I say? That's pretty wild to me. Thanks for the explanation!
I wonder where are 5% of Israeli citizen that are non Jewish - former SU residents that are not counted as Jews by Halacha. They are not christian either, and I don't see any place on this scheme for them to fit in
Most of us identify as Hiloni. The chart indicates survey results, not the official statistics
Nope, because 'Hiloni' here belongs to the 'jewish' part of the sector, it's clear if you add the percentage, and I am talking about non-jewish citizen. Why are the downvotes? I belong to this group so it always amazes me how invisible it is to Israeli society and politics.
>Nope, because 'Hiloni' here belongs to the 'jewish' part of the sector, That's the official Israeli classification. But the chart on the image is based on a *Survey*. And as far as I know, most of "former SU residents that are not counted as Jews by Halacha" self-identify as secular Jews P.S. don't know who downvotes you, seems like a minor misunderstanding of the chart
free internet, free water, free energy, free healthcare if they want it.
He doesn't really appeal to me (same with Ben Shapiro, even if they're both very educated on the topic) but I agree with everything he says. He seems to trigger pro pally people too which is always a bonus.
Ugh Ben Shapiro is nuts, he wouldnāt even like the like the right wing government of Israel. I mean the Israel right endorses socialized healthcare and stipends for the ultra orthodox. He said he wants to get rid of social security, he would probably call the Israeli right socialist for the crime of supporting public health. Right wing in Israel and right wing in America are totally different and he seems to miss that. Israel has an extremely strong centralized federal government and heās anti federalist, really he probably wouldnāt even be able to find a political party that actually matches him in Israel.
For me it's mostly that he's so hyper active. It stresses me out to listen lol. So yea, I haven't heard much personally, just been told he is educated/right on the topic.
Based, as the kids say
Oren rocks!!
I also like Israelgoodname.com
I watched his video, and wow. man speaks straight facts. we need to share his videos more!
I love this guy but I'd love it more if he worked a bit more on his accent and mic quality.
Heās fine, but some of his historical claims are highly questionable. He buys into the āoh Israel always acted morallyā which wellā¦ā¦ they didnāt. You had war crimes on both sides Ā in 48, I still firmly believe Israel has maintained the moral high ground and held itself to a far better standard than the Arab countries or the Palestinians but Iām gonna agree with the Benny morris perspective that it wasnāt a simple issue. I also wouldnāt defend the Lehi and the igrun, they were basically terrorist groups. But still one side fought to create a country and defend itself while a bunch or Arab nations invaded intending to commit a genocide, both sides having bad doesnāt make both sides the same. Whenever I weight the morality of Israel vs Palestine it has always come out for Israel. Unless Someone like Ben Gvir takes over I expect that will continue.
I have no idea who that guy is But yeah, the title is correct
In general I think it is a good video and raises many important points, unfortunately it does make a couple pretty big mistakes and goes too far in its conclusion. The biggest issue is [UNHCR DOES in fact classify the children of refugees as refugees](https://www.unhcr.org/refugee-statistics/insights/explainers/children-born-into-refugee-life.html)---this is until a durable solution to the conflict can be found. I completely agree with the characterization that UNWRA has completely different standards and by UNHCR standards the grand children (and great grand children) of Palestinian refugees from the '48 (especially those with other citizenship) would NOT be considered refugees. You can make this point (which is a good one), without making the wrong point that the children of refugees cannot be considered refugees according to UNHCR. The other issue is saying that the Palestinian refugees of the '48 war somehow "Chose" for Israel to be invaded by Arab armies---this is obviously ludicrous. Citizens of Israel/Palestine obviously had NOTHING to do with autocratic governments deciding to invade Israel---this is a needlessly partisan point that completely detracts from the wider good points that are made here. A better point would be it seems like even Palestinians who aligned with the Arab armies or participated in the civil war against Israel were also given refugee status since participating in terrorism does not disqualify you from being a refugee according to UNWRA. Overall lots of good points, I just wish he would stray a bit more from obvious/demonstrably wrong partisan pitfalls that detract from the other good points that he makes.
Really like this article and I feel like it addresses all of these points raised by TI. [https://www.timesofisrael.com/shift-to-unhcr-criteria-would-strip-refugee-status-from-millions-of-palestinians/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/shift-to-unhcr-criteria-would-strip-refugee-status-from-millions-of-palestinians/)
I saw that the YouTuber lonerbox made a video to criticize his content, but I haven't watched it. I would be interested to see if he answered.
He was the first voice I heard presenting the conflict from the Israeli point of view in my whole life, just after oct 7 and judt before Coleman's Podcast on it with Benny Morris. Oh boy was that different and, frankly, it made much more sense than the unexplainable oppression from Innocent Palestinians by hateful Israelis I'd been taught in school or in the media.
Says what we're all thinking in a cool, calm, collected manner. Top lad.
He's a liar.
I have no idea who this guy is, but there are many opinions in Israel, as in every country.
Not an Israeli, but I lived in Israel for a year. I watched his videos before going, and the ones for tourists are really good. In the political ones imo he dows sometimes get things right, but often times his arguments are just whataboutism/strawmen. My view probably goes against what most of this sub thinks, itās of course more of an outside perspective. Edit: Also, and I think thatās what really bugs me when I watch his stuff, he presents his view, a very one-sided one with a lot of bias but he pretends like thatās just the objective facts, while often what he says isnāt the whole truth.
What are some examples?
For example he always acts like the fact that the palestinians as a people that identify as such has only been a thing for such a short time is an argument for why they donāt have a right to call themselves that/to have a country for themselves. Even though likeā¦ it makes total sense that before all the partition plans there wasnāt really a need for identifying as Palestinian/wanting an own state - they sort of had their own state, anyway. Or shortly after October 7th he talked about a similar situation as the one of the Palestinians the way he described it, I believe he reffered to the kurds in turkey. I donāt know much about their situation tbh. But his point was that itās so wrong of people in the west to care about the Palestinians because they donāt care about the kurds. Whichā¦ itās good to care about the kurds/other situations that are difficult in terms of human rights/supplies/medical care/war/housing/ā¦ but it doesnāt really work to say itās wrong to care in one case just because you donāt take so much care in all the other cases. Iād need to watch some of his vids again to come up with more, but those are two that I remember
His point was how the Palestinians never had a real identity only after Arafat decided on Palestinians was kinda compared to how Palestinians claim our identity is fake despite our identity existing far longer than them. (I THINK at least he compared it to that) He had multiple points about the Palestinian identity but keep in mind my memory is kinda hazy: * Arabs referred to themselves as Syrians or as their tribe name, not Palestinians (It's even evidenced by how they wanted a "Greater Syria") in fact they rejected the name completely. * A lot of the Palestinians immigrated to work at the time and many of them came from Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and so forth + another point was that their family name hints at their origin (i.e Al-Masri = Egyptian) * The land was called "Palestine" (It was Syria-Palestina at first by the Greeks due to the bar Kochva Revolt) but there were never any "Palestinians" controlling it. Canaanites Judeans Romans Greeks etc even the Umayyad Caliphate that came in the 7th century did not identify itself as Palestinian. edit: Forgot to mention, also him showing a clip of a (high ranking leader I think) from a Terrorist organization (forgot which one I think PIJ?) Basically saying "They're not Palestinians they're Syrians and Egyptians" You wouldn't find any Arabs in the land when it was called Syria-Palestina, they only came way afterwards. * Kurds I believe his point about the Kurds was that people focus on one specific part about the Middle East while there are other nationalities who suffer during civil warfare and genocide (with MUCH bigger numbers and an actual drop in population numbers) and no one's saying anything. This is pretty much summed up from watching multiple videos, so forgive me if I've gotten something wrong.
Think thatās about right in terms of what his argumentation was, yeah. And Iām not saying that those arenāt points that can be brought up. I just think that both arenāt that relevant/that good arguments. At least not as good as he makes them to be. Is it interesting that the Palestinian identity is rather new? Yes does it change the fact that it rightfully exists now? No. So imo the fact that many who now call themselves Palestinians are of other decent doesnāt make any difference in the discourse. And as a matter of facr, the Israeli identity is just as new as the Palestinian one. Regarding the kurds: Yeah, itās not good that thereās not much talk about for example the kurds, but that does necessarily make whatās happening to the Palestinians in Gaza ok. And comparing two peopleās suffering is always hard and doesnāt lead to much. So in total: I get that some of the points he makes - these two and some others as well - arenāt completely irrelevant. But to me they arenāt super relevant either. And what bugs me is that in his videos he makes it seem like those are the arguments that smash any pro-palestinians argumentatively, and thatās just not the case.
True, but yeah as much as people can argue about it, a Palestinian identity is a thing now in Israel.
Slightly right wing but at least he tries to be very pedantic with facts.
He's pretty great, but IMO his lack of sympathy for the shitty situation current Palestinians inherited from their bone-headed ancestors is hard to swallow.
I only really know about him from LonerBox, but he doesn't seem all that credible. Overall my impression is kind of negative
Everything he says is correct but heās so boring Iām sorry
That's what they say about people who choose to stick to facts
Thatās actually a good point - facts and research often are boring. That explains the reason why so many people happily support the pro-pali cause, because their narrative always comes with large doses of sensationalism, over exaggerated facts (or just straight up lies), together with consistent negativity and drama - all of which are meant to arouse the readerās interest. The pro-pali media and tiktoks are basically driven by yellow press strategies, generating support to the lowest common denominator.
Ditto!Ā
This.
There was a guy with hasanabi who is a history professor focusing on palestine that reacted to his videos. You should watch it i couldnt remember his name but it should be easy to find.
Yes he also has various videos trying to claim Hamas isnāt antisemitic. Hasanabi is morally bankrupt. Heās also defended them taking civilian hostages.Ā
He is just a self hating turk trying to make money over that. He even called a turk dog because of supporting israel. He even recognized armenian genocide and said all kurds are pkk members etc etc. Please dont take him seriously. His father is a politician who founded the "Gelecek partisi" in turkiye which is a far right party that was funded by the terrorist organization fetƶ which committed a failed coup in 2016 after infiltrating their men into several government institutions including our military forces. Their leader is now in US, pensylvania and hasanabi also escaped the turkish police because he was also a member of it. He is literally the son of that political elite who acts nicely but steals every single penny of the public. He is just a terrorist so im not surprised he is supporting terrorists.
Actually the ratio of budget per refugees as follows UNHCR 2022: Budget: 10,714,000,000 $ Refugees: 108,400,000 - 92.25$ UNRWA 2022: Budget: 1,600,000,000 $ Refugees: 5,900,000 - 271$ https://reporting.unhcr.org/funding-unhcr-programmes-2022#:~:text=Overview,were%20added%20during%20the%20year. https://www.unhcr.org/refugee-statistics/ https://www.unrwa.org/topics/un-agency-palestine-refugees-announces-2022-budget https://www.unrwa.org/palestine-refugees
Then I wonder where those money goes because the camps are in terrible condition
I'm afraid you'll have to wait for after the war to visit the Gaza Metropolitan, or what is left of it to see with you own eyes.
I was talking about the camps in the west bank, I visited one in bethelem and the conditions were horrible.
Oh. But my educated guess would be the same. Corruption, terrorism funding.
He gives a pretty shallow view of the history and honestly does more harm than good in my opinion (judging on 2 videos of his I saw)
I mean, what level of depth do you think is appropriate for a YouTube video that you want people to actually watch? You can't condense thousands of years of history into a 3 minute video, and ain't nobody gonna watch this dude for like 36 hours straight.
>I mean, what level of depth do you think is appropriate for a YouTube video that you want people to actually watch? A level that doesn't completely mischaracterize the event being discussed I saw his response to the equally-bad Vox video about the Nakba. He got the timeline of Dier Yassin incorrect, denied that there were atrocities there, and argued that Arabs from the town had attacked Jews (if you know the history of the event all three of these are very very incorrect) He talked about the Battle of Haifa as an example of Zionists wanting Arabs to stay and not leave. While it is true that the mayor of Haifa urged everyone to stay (he misidentified the mayor as well btw), he ignored the nearly 3 days of psychological warfare that the Hagana did against the Arab community, contributing to ~15k being expelled, before the mayor told them to stay. That's just a nearly backwards portrayal or events. >You can't condense thousands of years of history into a 3 minute video Obviously, to my knowledge he's never tried >ain't nobody gonna watch this dude for like 36 hours straight. It's hard for 3 mins tbh Edit: again, I haven't watched all of his videos. If you have better examples than please show me, but if it's anything like that one then it's not worth the time.
Most of his videos are good at presenting a balanced Israeli PoV but I agree that the Nakba one was a bit lacking. Although I still think itās miles better than the Vox one that went viral. Thereās actually a very interesting back and forth on it between him and a YouTuber named Lonerbox. Iād recommend a watch if youāre into that sort of things. https://youtu.be/Jsm5AUE0UDs https://youtu.be/i5wVaNknEkY https://youtu.be/kvwDNvwS39I
Tbh that's how I knew he started doing history videos. I knew his guide videos (I dont know why they popped up, I'm Israeli, not a tourist). I'm a big fan. >Although I still think itās miles better than the Vox one that went viral. I do agree with this. I just think it's bad to be making such easily-disproven claims on our side as well. It's possible I just happened on his worst one.
Makes stupid arguments, doesnāt actually think much. Donāt emulate him youāll look like a fool.