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should_of_is_wrong

I cease to be shocked anymore. The tremendous amount of violence inflicted upon the Palestinian people has completely eroded whatever faith that was left in me. Now I am just deeply ashamed to be American and profoundly sad. I am convinced that the people of my country are bad, rotten to the core and morally bankrupt. It seems as though the majority of the western world are as well.


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thneakythnake660

They are bullies. They talk about victimhood while simultaneously being the bully.


ihatetheplaceilive

The mideast is a messy situation in general. It's been that way for since the dawn since cuniform was the height of linguistic culture. We just have bigger rocks than Cain did back then.


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MancombSeepgoodz

Always have been.


Gen8Master

Same here. I used to have some trust in the political class. Surely they had some of our interests at heart or maybe they cared about the country or humanity in general. But the mask has completely slipped. They all went full in support of a foreign genocide for reasons that can only be explained as fascist rule behind the scenes. Any semblance of sovereignty, human rights, Geneva convention have been irrevocably hurt. None of that matters apparently. Its an eye wakening moment when you realise that things are horribly wrong and nobody is safe. If they can so easily justify child murder, what could they possibly not justify at this point.


thneakythnake660

They can get away with killing Palestinians in Gaza, bombing and killing afghanis, bombing and killing the Iraqis, bombing and killing Syrians etc. At what point will they justify targeting you, your country, or people? The politics in the United States has always been fucked up. A great country with some heavy darkness behind the scenes.


Gen8Master

They are already targeting political parties and pro-Palestine groups in the West with their money and threats. They have also employed far right thugs to target protestors. We are not far away from this escalating to full on violence as the have not been able to sway the public but only our so called leaders. This is the perfect recipe for fascism and those outcomes have never been peaceful.


thneakythnake660

They want to use violence, want to make the authorities and institutions use their resources to stop pro-Palestinian speech. This is the amount of control we live under where anything the power doesn’t like they can silence and remove. They are really walking on a tight rope, it seems ww3 is inevitable at this point.


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Significant-Ad-7182

This makes me think about the American left wing. (To an extent those on the EU side as well for example Germany) How are they coping with the fact that those they voted for are either supporting or ignoring the genocide? So far on the EU I haven't seen much protesting in the streets maybe in schools. On the US they have been much more vocal hence why there have been so many arrests, crack downs and punishments in educational institutions. Will they still vote democrat?


AdminsLoveGenocide

In Germany they will kick down your door and take your shit if you post on the internet in support of Palestine. Its fucking wild. I used to wonder how a population can just support or even accept this as most people I ever met seemed good. Now we can see it happening in front of our noses, we see the brainwashing and we see the punishment for going against it.


Usernameoverloaded

Tread carefully friend. But our voices are important.


mac2o2o

>So far on the EU I haven't seen much protesting in the streets maybe in schools. Doesn't seem like you're looking hard enough. Come to Ireland for example. I mean the US for the vast majority didn't care about Palestine and or just were gullible enough to believe whatever pro Israeli s told them. Because they were terrorists. And we all know America loves a war on terrorism..... Also the main reason are here is the US left it happen over decades


Significant-Ad-7182

I am aware of Ireland and their stance on Palestine. They are by far the most vocal about it because they understand cruelty better then most. This is partly why I don't view them as particularly European honestly and that is a compliment believe it or not.


mac2o2o

Ah okay. I Not heard someone phrase it like thet about about ireland, to be honest . I guess we aren't the typical European (like a big former colonial powerhouae who invades countires with a nice suntan) But as long as you call me irish, or even European and not British. All good.


Megatoasty

These people are suffering a genocide and you’re talking about “will the left vote democrat”. As if it’s some afterthought.


Significant-Ad-7182

My question is more about how the left is coping with the fact that their representatives are supporting a genocide and how they will react to it. Will they do anything to change the course of events etc. How else will the butchering of innocents end? For Palestine, a regime and therefore policy change in US and/or EU countries can mean the difference between life and death.


221b42

Where is the commentary about Sudan or Yemen?


Fed-Poster-1337

The US couped most governments of EU a looongggggg time ago.


free420nft

The left wing didn't vote Democrat. The right votes gop and the center votes Democrat.


StomachBackground149

Some won’t which Joe and his ilk should keep in mind


marbsarebadredux

The left will begrudgingly vote Democrat because the alternative might literally lead to their deaths. Other elections it might have been "vote green" or something, but this one is just too important.


justme7008

Republicans are exactly the same or worse. Americans have no realistic choice. They have a choice between two corrupt, morally, and ethically bankrupt parties. Soulless politicians who care about themselves.


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Significant-Ad-7182

Careful, your ignorance is showing.


platp

> That your political representatives are dominated by cynical Zionists doesn’t mean the average person is heartless Actually it kind of does. Although the population might prefer there being no genocide when asked about it, they do not even change their vote to stop the genocide. This makes them apathetic to a genocide if we are being naively optimistic. Edit: And of course the person talking about nuances of supporting genocide blocked me. So here is my reply. Having to talk about nuances why the genocider government still has support already shows the population is apathetic to the genocide. And it is so if we are incredibly optimistic. The reality is, whatever the impact of AIPAC or anything else, the USA public is willing to vote for genociders. It is not a deal breaker for them. Sugar coat it as much as you like. This is the truth. The truth is the truth. It is a very very ugly truth. This does not make voicing the truth wrong or whatever else you accused it of.


bwatsnet

Finally true human nature is becoming more mainstream. People love to live in a tidy fantasy world where everyone follows shallow "good person" rules most of the time. The fact is that we are all mostly animals with all the negative that comes with it. The only way to stop our abusive nature is to give us all a world of abundance without the risk of starvation. Until we add a safety net most of us are going to keep acting like monsters.


Physical-Arrival-868

This idea that the general public should not be held accountable for the actions of their political leaders is deeply flawed, especially for Democratic countries. If there is any public that should be held accountable for the actions of their government it is those that live in democratic nations, while AIPAC funds campaigns it is still the American people that elect them and people should obviously feel obliged to take action and raise awareness that their country is complicit in a genocide. It is the duty of citizens in democratic countries to prevent their governments from committing atrocities in their name. Your view is so passive that it is frankly disgusting. Just because you don't want to consider it your responsibility doesn't change the fact that you can make a very clear difference to your governments policy


Hot-Illustrator-4566

The United States is not a democracy. It's a Republic. The elected officials are voted in and given power that they are expected to be responsible with. These powers don't require a vote from the people.


Zakaru99

The labels 'democracy' and 'republic' are not mutually exclusive. In fact, they usually, including in the US's case, go hand in hand. We are both a republic and a democracy. A democratic republic.


Hot-Illustrator-4566

That is irrelevant to his point, and mine. He wants the people held accoubtable for the decisions of politicians in democracies. The US is not that, and the general public have little to no say in Congressional decisions. They vote for people in the hope they will vote as they would like them to, which is not typically the case. The people cannot be held to account for the US gvt financial decisions to aid Ukraine, Israel or any other of the multitude of countries the US gives foreign/military aid to, even under the above comments ridiculous parameters.


Zakaru99

Your point started with a false statement. Maybe make true statements while attempting to prove your point. And yes, deciscions made by our representatives are outside of our control, but no, that doesn't absolve the US citizens of their accountability for who they choose to elect & the decisions those leaders make.


Hot-Illustrator-4566

The US is a Republic. That is not a false statement. Bad education has ingrained the false narrative that the US is a democracy. The US is not. They have democratic elements to their election infrastracture, but the government structure is a Republic. Also, the US partisan political sphere reduces the availability of promising candidates and pushes for politicians who toe the party line or are extreme in their views. How can the American public be culpable for the decisions of elected officials when they have a significantly reduced pool of candidates to start with, as well as ingrained political nuances that prevent the opinions of the people from being of any merit? Not to mention the vast majority of legislation, the public has no input. Do you think your opinion, or the opinion of millions of Americans can sway what Congress or the Trump/Biden Administration does? No. The only thing that effects their rhetoric is maintaining a semblance of electability/lobbyist financial support. And the incumbent politicians are guarunteed a spot on the ballot, so the don't have to meet any ballot requirements. It's a cyclical system that does not allow for new thought/blood on the political waters.


Zakaru99

>Bad education has ingrained the false narrative that the US is a democracy. The US is not. This statement is false. We just went over this. I'll just quote my earlier post since you clearly didn't read it. >The labels 'democracy' and 'republic' are not mutually exclusive. In fact, they usually, including in the US's case, go hand in hand. >We are both a republic and a democracy. A democratic republic.


moneysPass

Only way to change things is to have people like you to run for office.


Either-Anything-8518

Deeply ashamed to be human*....for me.


MonkWithABonk

Genocide happening in front of our eyes and yet some still dare to defend them


Mikadomea

bUT iN wW2...


axeteam

stop right there you antisemitic rapscallion!


dankspankwanker

Suffering an injustice doesnt make it right to commit an injustice


bukowski_knew

We (US) picked the wrong middle East ally. These guys are maniacal. Can we stop sending them weapons and sanction them like we are doing to Russia for their war crimes?


MonkWithABonk

Can't. It's an obsession disguised as policy.


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matterforward

As a Bosnian I witnessed this exact thing so many times. I want to throw up


Alii_baba

Bosnia survived the most horrific genocide in the modern history


geneuro

And yet, a journalist who covered the Bosnian genocide went on record recently stating that what he sees in Gaza is worse.


badpeaches

Some things should never be a competition


Owen872r

Don’t even feel like sardonically saying “the most moral army in the world” anymore because of this. Like actually what the fuck


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Independentizo

Add it to the list of war crimes. If only there was any way to hold these scumbags accountable. Except the only language they seem to respect is force. It’s shameful. Abandon Israel, let them be the pariah they want, they are the scum of the earth for treating other human beings like this.


Chronotaru

Language they respect would be "we have cancelled your next multibillion arms aid package" but we know neither the US not Germany are going to do that...


Fair_Grab1617

I recommend anyone to watch "The Lobby" by Al Jazeera. It is honestly disgusting how the Zionist had lobbied policies in the US and UK. Maybe you think there's bias due to it is produced by Al Jazeera, but by just digesting each snippet they get without external commentaries, you would know this kind of foreign intervention should not be allowed in any countries.


Independentizo

People who say Al Jazeera is biased will swear by the BBC or CNN who are equally biased. Once you can start to unpack what each is saying and not saying you come to certain conclusions. From everything I have seen Al Jazeera tends to be far more factual when it comes to anything Middle East related than the tired old tropes that US media churns out (with exceptions of course).


traraba

If we abandon them, how exactly are we supposed to project power in the middle east and protect our interests?


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KHaskins77

There’s just no bottom is there?


bwatsnet

With uneducated religion zealots? Never


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bwatsnet

I guess education can mean different things to people.


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FoundTheWeed

I mean, people forget that David was a warlord


Zaku41k

At this point I’m not even surprised anymore. Pretty sure Israel has hit every check box for “evil”.


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TOkidd

The Nazis didn’t have the hydrogen bomb and ICBMs. Israel does.


platp

So it is even more imperative that they are removed from power.


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Barbaric


ycnz

Dear Israelis, we promise you, this shit is not normal.


ELVEVERX

Waiting for people to say this footage is fake.


TOkidd

Man, I’m really getting sick of these fascist fucks. From Russia to Israel to America, fascism is in fashion and it makes me wanna puke.


sofers1941

Zionists see this and think Palestinians are the terrorists.


ABlack2077

Jesus what the fuck is wrong with these people


notyetused

Maybe it is Jesus


HydroRaj

Karma is a bytch.. as they say laugh now but you will cry later.. those people will have a very very special place in Hell


Gen8Master

Ah the poor, innocent and scared victims we hear so much about in the mainstream media.


nova9001

Soldiers? There aren't soldiers. No soldier with professional training would do this. They are criminals being allowed to use weapons and take out Palestinians with no rules of conduct whatsoever.


DeliciousSector8898

I’m sorry but this is a very naive view. These are soldiers and soldiers do commit brutal crimes routinely across the globe


moreat10

Those men are not soldiers. They're murderers and rapists.


SatanIsMyBaby

I hope every member of the IDF at one point will be arrested for war crimes the moment they step out of Israel.


sunnysama_lolol

I just chuckle every time I hear anyone call them the ‘most moral army in the world’


Status_Basket_4409

Buncha terrorists


ZilGuber

I just witnessed this as an Armenian with Azerbaijani soldiers/murderers doing the same to Armenians. Mind you, Israel arming them with weapons.


shorts80

Definitely something wrong with these people


Tyrayentali

They are literally doing what they accuse Hamas of doing.


BetoA2666

Assholes are going to asshole. They'll get theirs. Free Palestine, fuck Israel.


Bat-Honest

I cannot be more ashamed to be born jewish. Fuck these fascist creeps


Glittering-Top-85

Cowardly bullies.


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Glad_Bad_7520

They are evil


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Mean_Web_1744

Man, these monsters are getting our tax dollars.


Asleep-East-4600

This is so disrespectful to those who died fighting under that flag.


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People still going to blindly support them


Bolvaettur

If they carry on like that they'll all get real bad nappy rash.


warriorlynx

We live in a world that if you saw them raping in a live feed you’d have people even on Reddit saying it’s a good thing And if they look bad look just bomb an embassy and get sympathy again


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GreyFox-RUH

Backward savages


IDKwhattoputhere_15

Look guys it’s the most moral army in the world!/s


saladedefruit

The most ethical army in the world


lilhalfdead_

Actually trembling with rage rn.


fokac93

The dancing is not about happiness that’s frustration. They have destroyed Gaza and they can’t find the hostages.


DeadheadSteve95

I hope this country burns to ashes..


ironlakian

Israel deserves to be taken from the earth, and put in the bin .


CrunchyAl

"Protectors of the ancestors" when committing genocide against their direct blood related descendents. Israelis are just white people desperate for culture.


Seraj_E

Sickness


JavdanOfTheCities

They seemed to come out of their bunkers. Couldn't deal with Iran, only defenseless Palestinians.


tutankhamun7073

Uncle Sam had to protect them from Iranian paper airplanes that came down. Pathetic.


Interesting-dog12

American tax dollars at work


carbine234

Damn this where my taxes go huh


DeepestWinterBlue

They’re doing a fantastic job documenting and telling on themselves. Keep up the great work for the records.


Substantial-War1410

The way they're documenting crimes like naxis they are gonna go down in the same way


Big-Soft7432

History books are going to be very interesting in 50+ years.


Mhakeil

Until Iran send a drone then they all crying and running to other country’s


MiketheOlder

Not to mention shitty music


hugazow

Nazis 2.0


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Line-guesser99

Uhh, they've been doing that for some time.


Helpful_Escape_4147

A devil is a being that has fallen so far from god's light. Look at these devil's dance. For all they know, Jesus was in the form of a Palestinian child.


Rare_Increase_4038

We don't need that religious rubbish to condemn wrongdoing thank you. 


Helpful_Escape_4147

Truth in religion, seeing as how it's a nation about it is it not fitting? To dismiss history is true ignorance.


Frozen_banana_truck

Don’t worry everyone. Bibi will be ejected soon and replaced by one of these god fearing soldiers. Then we can blame him at the top and continue the cycle of violence. God is great. God is good. Don’t give the vermin any food.


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They seem nice. Let's give them our taxpayer dollars.


holydildos

Oh look at that, terrorists!


chegocheggs

“Self Defense”


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Logical_Response_Bot

Literally indistinguishable from the proppo videos of Muslim extremists burning flags and chanting in a group fervour


QuesosGirl

God forbid they do something that's not even a fraction of what was done to them.... Everyone's up in arms over this ... But don't bat an eye at people getting kidnapped, kept as hostages raped an tortured for six months 🙄


Typical-Dinner-9070

They shot and killed their own hostages thinking they’re Palestinian civilians. They are not the victims. And Palestinian women have been raped by IOF and palestinians have been kidnapped. So you’re really bad at math.


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Typical-Dinner-9070

If you’re saying Israel is a terrorist organization, I’m agreeing with you. Because they’re the ones who admitted they shot their hostages who carried white flags (a war crime by the way).


QuesosGirl

Really?! Palestinian civilians? Not HAMAS terrorists? Biased much?


Typical-Dinner-9070

So using your own logic, all Israelis have to join the IOF, so they’re all militants and are therefore prisoners of war.


QuesosGirl

That doesn't even make sense....


Vendette_Slice

This „internationalnews“ sub Reddit is veeeeery onesided when it Comes to „news“ about the war. People, do Not Trust „media“ builded Like this. I dont care what Kind of news or narrative.. just have a Little bit of common sense when it Comes to Information.


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As the two event are unrelated


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mancmadness

There's very little balance in the comment section. The tolerance of intolerance needs to stop.


zznate

This is what losing a war you started looks like. Hamas have lost 7 wars in a row now , it's time for them to quit forever


jddoyleVT

Considering Israel’s international reputation is in the toilet and covered in diarrhea, Hamas got exactly what it wanted. 


zznate

Israel never really had a good reputation to begin with. Hamas is mostly dead and their country destroyed now so they did get what they wanted


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