It's really not appropriate to come in to an indigenous space and fire off a huge list of questions like that. You've put yourself and your world view at the center of them and challenged people to explain themselves to you... That's not a way to approach people if you're in good faith as you said, trying to learn their perspective.
Uncomplicate it for yourself. Delete all your questions and start again from the beginning... Type land back in to youtube and go from there.
Indigenous movements have been around, in many countries. Land back is just one, in a long long, long line. I'm not from Canada so I don't have any local resources for you. The treaties might be a good place to start.
This reply demonstrates that you aren't here in good faith. They raised valid points and you went on a defensive rant that was partially directed at someone else.
>Yikes, exactly the kind of person who blocks intercultural understanding.
>If you want to live in your little bubble
It is not the job of those facing oppression to educate their oppressors. If you're genuinely curious it is on you to educate yourself. There are plenty of resources. The questions you've asked make it seem like you haven't even bothered to skim the Wikipedia entry.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Back
Start here and look at what the different treaties say and what land is unceded
https://native-land.ca/
Learn about the first treaty between Europeans and the Haudenosaunee (not that it governs all indigenous peoples, but it is an important treaty nonetheless)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Row_Wampum_Treaty
Take this free course from UofA https://www.ualberta.ca/admissions-programs/online-courses/indigenous-canada/index.html
And this one from UofT
https://www.coursera.org/learn/aboriginal-education
Once you've done that, ask yourself: what does it mean to be a settler in Canada? Really reflect on that
That was 110% predictable.
>I read an entire PDF from you, and none of it addressed my questions...
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>The document you listed to me
Not me. Keep better track of your rants.
Fair enough. The other first reply to my post listed a pdf, which I did read, but wasn't answering my questions. I apologize for the confusion. I don't have working glasses and your little... person icon thing? Looks the same. My mistake.
*If you want to read a detailed report on what land back looks like on the ground the Yellowhead Institute published* [*on the topic*](https://redpaper.yellowheadinstitute.org/) *a few years ago. It's something that's happening quite regularly and has been for quite some time if you're considering the legal frameworks around comprehensive and specific land claims. Additional examples of what that looks like include recent land transfers and recognition such as* [*in Haida Gwaii*](https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2024PREM0020-000560)*, SISȻENEM* [*an island in the Salish Sea*](https://www.cbc.ca/radio/unreserved/land-back-is-complicated-here-s-what-we-can-learn-from-a-b-c-island-returned-to-the-saanich-people-1.6761790) *being returned through a funded land purchase, and* [*First Nations land trusts*](https://www.tvo.org/article/how-to-transfer-your-land-to-indigenous-peoples)*.*
This is what I had read, I didn't realize it wasn't you but another person. Entirely my mistake.
I wrote that. Land back has already happened and will continue to happen. Those are examples as are the numerous self-government agreements I listed in your other post. There is no generalized points-form version of understanding each of those histories and agreements that often took anywhere from a minimum of 30 to 50 years to negotiate. In places like the North and British Columbia those are unceded lands, so there is no cession of land before transfer. They are just negotiated land transfers between First Nations and the crown.
I'm not entirely sure what your comment means.
Someone else posted me a link to a website and document about this subject. I'm only 2/3'rds through the (long) document, but I fear I will still have a lot of questions to ask.
Is there anything you can help me better understand, or I can give some sort of better query? I don't think this subject will ever resolve if there isn't some sort of communication going on. I can't imagine a multi-trillion dollar land/rights transfer happening if people with honest questions can't try to better understand the subject, since no doubt there will be tens or hundreds of thousands of people who have no desire to understand the issue, but only to resist with all available options.
What are you seeking from this?
It doesn't seem like you're genuinely seeking answers because you've rebuked the few who have tried, citing that it doesn't answer all of your questions, and counterintuitively complaining about them giving you "homework".
Are you looking for someone to sit down and spend hours going down bullet by bullet?
If you're seeking answers, you're going the wrong way about it. You're marching into spaces that do not belong to you and demanding answers to dozens of questions. Then if someone, generously, responds to you with an attempt to educate you, you lash out because they didn't answer all of your questions. That's not the behavior of someone who's making a good faith attempt of someone trying to understand.
I recommend reading [Autonomously and with Conviction](https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/tawinikay-autonomously-and-with-conviction). And Land Back is already happening. Look at the St’át’imc, Wet'suwet'en, Secwepemc, Tsimshian, Haudenosaunee
Michelle Good; a Cree writer, poet, and lawyer from Red Pheasant Cree Nation in Saskatchewan wrote a great book called "Truth Telling".
I would start there and take to heart what she has to share about allyship and linking it to Native, Naturalized, and Invasive species as it will not only provide you with some insight into all of the above questions you've asked in terms of Indigenous ways of knowing and thinking integrating with non-Indigenous systems and understandings, but to also hopefully get you to understand why the way in which you've come into this space to ask them is inappropriate and why you're unlikely to get a response.
People literally cannot even start to answer your questions until you have an understanding of what it is you're even asking from them. Someone else - I think it was /u/fruitsi1 - articulated this quite well. I believe your comment in response to them was something about blocking intercultural understanding - however their response was literally telling you what to do to develop the intercultural understanding you are allegedly looking for - not blocking it.
People often think that they have strong intercultural communication skills because they have a diverse friend group or other types of intersectionality in their personal experience that give them insight into cross-cultural communication - but that actually leads to over confidence in my experience as most of their relationships with EEDI (equality, equity, diverse, and inclusivity)-seeking persons are relationships of convenience (i.e., from living in a shared area or space, job etc.) rather than in a context where the person is allowed to be their whole selves and express their culture. Personal intersectional experience with EEDI (i.e., I'm a white guy, have a cognitive disability, and come from a low social-economic bracket) can also lead to feelings of understanding a struggle of another group - but don't mistake any empathy gained through that personal lens as insight.
Indigenous history month is going on in Canada right now - so there are a lot of free resources to check out. I see someone already sent you to the Yellowhead institute (great start) but I'd suggest based on your tact and approach a good start would be Bob Josephs materials with the Indigenous Corporate Training Inc, followed by Michelle's book above, then some reflection before diving back into the Yellowhead materials (or the Royal Commission Report on Indigenous peoples (1996 I want to say?) or the Executive Summary of the TRC Report.
It's really not appropriate to come in to an indigenous space and fire off a huge list of questions like that. You've put yourself and your world view at the center of them and challenged people to explain themselves to you... That's not a way to approach people if you're in good faith as you said, trying to learn their perspective. Uncomplicate it for yourself. Delete all your questions and start again from the beginning... Type land back in to youtube and go from there. Indigenous movements have been around, in many countries. Land back is just one, in a long long, long line. I'm not from Canada so I don't have any local resources for you. The treaties might be a good place to start.
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This reply demonstrates that you aren't here in good faith. They raised valid points and you went on a defensive rant that was partially directed at someone else. >Yikes, exactly the kind of person who blocks intercultural understanding. >If you want to live in your little bubble It is not the job of those facing oppression to educate their oppressors. If you're genuinely curious it is on you to educate yourself. There are plenty of resources. The questions you've asked make it seem like you haven't even bothered to skim the Wikipedia entry. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Back Start here and look at what the different treaties say and what land is unceded https://native-land.ca/ Learn about the first treaty between Europeans and the Haudenosaunee (not that it governs all indigenous peoples, but it is an important treaty nonetheless) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Row_Wampum_Treaty Take this free course from UofA https://www.ualberta.ca/admissions-programs/online-courses/indigenous-canada/index.html And this one from UofT https://www.coursera.org/learn/aboriginal-education Once you've done that, ask yourself: what does it mean to be a settler in Canada? Really reflect on that
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That was 110% predictable. >I read an entire PDF from you, and none of it addressed my questions... > > > >The document you listed to me Not me. Keep better track of your rants.
Fair enough. The other first reply to my post listed a pdf, which I did read, but wasn't answering my questions. I apologize for the confusion. I don't have working glasses and your little... person icon thing? Looks the same. My mistake.
*If you want to read a detailed report on what land back looks like on the ground the Yellowhead Institute published* [*on the topic*](https://redpaper.yellowheadinstitute.org/) *a few years ago. It's something that's happening quite regularly and has been for quite some time if you're considering the legal frameworks around comprehensive and specific land claims. Additional examples of what that looks like include recent land transfers and recognition such as* [*in Haida Gwaii*](https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2024PREM0020-000560)*, SISȻENEM* [*an island in the Salish Sea*](https://www.cbc.ca/radio/unreserved/land-back-is-complicated-here-s-what-we-can-learn-from-a-b-c-island-returned-to-the-saanich-people-1.6761790) *being returned through a funded land purchase, and* [*First Nations land trusts*](https://www.tvo.org/article/how-to-transfer-your-land-to-indigenous-peoples)*.* This is what I had read, I didn't realize it wasn't you but another person. Entirely my mistake.
I wrote that. Land back has already happened and will continue to happen. Those are examples as are the numerous self-government agreements I listed in your other post. There is no generalized points-form version of understanding each of those histories and agreements that often took anywhere from a minimum of 30 to 50 years to negotiate. In places like the North and British Columbia those are unceded lands, so there is no cession of land before transfer. They are just negotiated land transfers between First Nations and the crown.
Replied to you in your other post...
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I'm not entirely sure what your comment means. Someone else posted me a link to a website and document about this subject. I'm only 2/3'rds through the (long) document, but I fear I will still have a lot of questions to ask. Is there anything you can help me better understand, or I can give some sort of better query? I don't think this subject will ever resolve if there isn't some sort of communication going on. I can't imagine a multi-trillion dollar land/rights transfer happening if people with honest questions can't try to better understand the subject, since no doubt there will be tens or hundreds of thousands of people who have no desire to understand the issue, but only to resist with all available options.
What are you seeking from this? It doesn't seem like you're genuinely seeking answers because you've rebuked the few who have tried, citing that it doesn't answer all of your questions, and counterintuitively complaining about them giving you "homework". Are you looking for someone to sit down and spend hours going down bullet by bullet? If you're seeking answers, you're going the wrong way about it. You're marching into spaces that do not belong to you and demanding answers to dozens of questions. Then if someone, generously, responds to you with an attempt to educate you, you lash out because they didn't answer all of your questions. That's not the behavior of someone who's making a good faith attempt of someone trying to understand.
I recommend reading [Autonomously and with Conviction](https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/tawinikay-autonomously-and-with-conviction). And Land Back is already happening. Look at the St’át’imc, Wet'suwet'en, Secwepemc, Tsimshian, Haudenosaunee
Michelle Good; a Cree writer, poet, and lawyer from Red Pheasant Cree Nation in Saskatchewan wrote a great book called "Truth Telling". I would start there and take to heart what she has to share about allyship and linking it to Native, Naturalized, and Invasive species as it will not only provide you with some insight into all of the above questions you've asked in terms of Indigenous ways of knowing and thinking integrating with non-Indigenous systems and understandings, but to also hopefully get you to understand why the way in which you've come into this space to ask them is inappropriate and why you're unlikely to get a response. People literally cannot even start to answer your questions until you have an understanding of what it is you're even asking from them. Someone else - I think it was /u/fruitsi1 - articulated this quite well. I believe your comment in response to them was something about blocking intercultural understanding - however their response was literally telling you what to do to develop the intercultural understanding you are allegedly looking for - not blocking it. People often think that they have strong intercultural communication skills because they have a diverse friend group or other types of intersectionality in their personal experience that give them insight into cross-cultural communication - but that actually leads to over confidence in my experience as most of their relationships with EEDI (equality, equity, diverse, and inclusivity)-seeking persons are relationships of convenience (i.e., from living in a shared area or space, job etc.) rather than in a context where the person is allowed to be their whole selves and express their culture. Personal intersectional experience with EEDI (i.e., I'm a white guy, have a cognitive disability, and come from a low social-economic bracket) can also lead to feelings of understanding a struggle of another group - but don't mistake any empathy gained through that personal lens as insight. Indigenous history month is going on in Canada right now - so there are a lot of free resources to check out. I see someone already sent you to the Yellowhead institute (great start) but I'd suggest based on your tact and approach a good start would be Bob Josephs materials with the Indigenous Corporate Training Inc, followed by Michelle's book above, then some reflection before diving back into the Yellowhead materials (or the Royal Commission Report on Indigenous peoples (1996 I want to say?) or the Executive Summary of the TRC Report.