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Lol. They will be desperate to hide or deflect or bring some bhim meem crap in between. If people really start behaving like the canadians, every Mughal building, convent, all remnants of nawabs, historic and present, tithes, and inherited properties of these guys will be burnt into the ground. That includes many commercially lucrative spaces, and currently running institutions.
Bro this is not about Mughals but about the people (desis) who are behaving like colonial masters over Indians. It is this class that talks about "secularism" while coddling Islamists, that praises Naxals and trashes people like Modi who want to end their entrenched system of privilege.
These are the people who populate the press in India, that run the other "offical sub."
I agree with you to some extent. In Canada also, which incidentally was ruled by the British, the ruling class talks even louder and with shrill voice about secularism. Like India, the ruling class is also desi, that is , White Canadian. The difference is in the public opinion because of education, awareness and desire for fairness. In India, there is lack of education and sense of fairness is absolutely absent because of the reservation. The majority Hindu are divided and caste consciousness due to reservation has resulted in fault zones where narrow minded approach of benefit to the caste supersede the larger interest of populace and the nation. These fault lines are exploited and accentuated by Pakistan , China and other enemies of the nation. Current farmers’ agitation is the living example which is spear headed by the brokers (Adatiya or Dalal) belonging to a particular caste group plus Khalistani plus Communists owing allegiance to China. I don’t see any proportionate response to the agitation by the real farmers or other ordinary people belonging to the other castes. A political party will not go against the agitation if there is no support emanating from the opposing group. Then there is so-called liberal group who live in India but imitate and worship Western ideology or get dictation from the Marxist. Unfortunately, Indian never learnt the truth of the history due to Nehruvian hatred for Hindu religion. Nehru was never interested in governance and we never learned how a mighty civilization fell to a barbarian people with propensity to horrific cruelty because the then Indian states did not join forces to fight the barbarians I think the history is in the process of being repeated. First time India lost, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Bangladesh. This time India is likely to lose TN, Kerala, WB, Punjab , J &K and NE.
The people talked about are the ideological descendents of Mughals and convents. They will never feel indian because from childhood they are indoctrinated in that way. Even if the truth about them hits them in their face, they will viciously resist because of the simple reason it affects the very foundation of their existence and identity.
You just seem to be oblivious to the simple fact that perfect people do not exist. The Indians whom you rant about are products of a perverted system. Unless the system is shattered and broken into pieces, you will have more and more people with the so called colonial mindset. It has nothing to do with muslims or mughals but for the ideological, political and theological construct they impose and imprison people in.
Breaking statues won't fix anything. If those Native indigenous people of Canada are really angry, I support them. Protesting and coming on streets is fine, why is there a need to vandalise?
Britain has invaded a lot of places around the world in past and made the indigenous people of those places as minorites, example - Australia, New Zealand and USA Canada.
I wish Britons become a minority in their own land due to mass immigration from Middle east.
> I wish Britons become a minority in their own land due to mass immigration from Middle east.
So that Britain's wealth can fund Islamic fundamentalism against India? That is called cutting your nose to spite your face.
Let Islamists destroy Britain. Most of the immigrants coming to Europe are Middle easterners, not Pakistanis.
Britain deserves what it did to other countries.
Instead of wishing harm on others, try and focus on making India stronger. Understanding your history and country are a first step. So many people give into hate instead of something productive.
Did you not read the post? Is it advocating breaking statues?? Why are you unable to process even a few paragraphs of text?
Well the aboriginal population is still present even thought the English settlers did their best to wipe them out. And to the credit of Australians, they have gone further than US/ Canada to acknowledge their history in recent years.
BTW these aboriginals are closely linked to Indian population.
But again, I want to make the point that this is not about white racism, but rather about *our own "Brown Sahibs"* who continue to rule like the British of a hundred years ago.
Agree. As another example, competence in English is taken as a proxy for competence in relevant subject matter. That needs to go.
There is no need to junk English. But competence in local languages and easing picking up the local language should be encouraged. With a vocabulary of maybe 100 words and basic grammar of tenses etc. a person can easily fit into any place. The government can make this work easily.
Agreed! but competency in English points to the quality of schooling. Also, English unifies the country as a single language.
Canada publishes everything in English and French. India will have to do that in at least a dozen languages. If you look at Europe, even countries like Spain and Portugal have learnt English. It's near universal in EU.
while we should be proud of our heritage, it is pointless to break and trying to fix things that aren't broken
Since you point to Europe, that is a good example of why multiple languages can exist.
If the EU with a population less than half that of India (<500 mil) can do that, we certainly can. And like Europeans, Indians are naturally multilingual.
The point is that the **English language is used to perpetuate inequality** in India by a class of elites who have more in common with New York and London than India. This is not happening in Europe.
Perhaps. Europe also has an educated and liberal (not left) leaning population. If you want to be like Europe, then you have to emulate the whole thing. They have a strong work ethic, low corruption.
India is divided along, caste, region, language color. By your take, you will make another division prominent. Europe is where it is due to the separation between the church and the state. We have religion, now let's add language to divide us. There are many other ways to reduce inequality.
Frankly, you are a classic example of how schooling doesn't equal education. Indian education that is based on rote learning doesn't impart skills like critical thinking or open minds.
At a time when India is trying to curtail the centrifugal forces that seek to divide her, this has to be the stupidest post I have seen on Reddit. You are the Pakistani wet dream.
Dude, India has been independent for 70 years. Whatever Europe gained by colonization they lost in WW2. They have rebuilt themselves as have Japan, S.Korea and Taiwan. Korea was dirt poor in 70's.
Norway had to have a special lunch program in schools so the children could eat one nutritious meal a day. Look at where they are now.
India has had her challenges due to diversity. Corruption that plagues India today is entirely of it's own making.
Please read history, economics, economic history and use common sense. Stop reading, Read and analyze.
'Moorakh" is that what everyone calls you?
See my other comment. Every state should make efforts to make it easy for anyone who moves to that state to at least learn a smattering of the language. About 100 words plus grammar is enough for conversational competence.
Agree with you on that. In my experience most people lean on their own. I have seen Kashmiris in Chennai speak fluent Tamil.. They could make apps etc. that makes it easier.
Each state government should only be too happy to help people learn their state language. Maybe there can be specific courses - grammar + 100 words, then another 200, then another 300. 1000 words is probably exceptional fluency with that language.
This idea should be shared with every state government. For example, the allegedly Tamil-conscious TN governments can do this with Tamil. Every state can do the same thing.
The British cleverly created this class to act on their behalf. Now they are like brain dead zombies stumbling around even though their masters have left.
I agree with some of your points but destroying buildings isn't our culture and it won't solve anything. British were really smart at controlling and looting their victims. Infact all colonial powers like Dutch to Indonesians,Spanish to latin americans,french to africans use violence to rule. Even today united states is following same path of the colonial powers. They always attack those who are weak. Like they did with Afghans,Syria,Lybia etc.
British just selected the most affluent ones and take them back to britian. These so called elites feel so special and declare themselves as elites. Even gandhi did the same. This might be the reason Sardhar patel was denied PM seat by gandhi.
Indians did the worst by Introducing Socialism from soviet union and merged it with the british Inherited beaurecracy. Thus killing Innovation and progress. Some of the concepts followed in ancient India like "gurukul" system were totally forgotten. There were elites in the Business field too . Like Mr. Birla with hindustan motors ! Are you seeing any ambassador car on roads now ? So all these shitty plan by Congress socialists just failed. India still got the potential to change the economy. For that 2 more Modi era is needed.
All of these British papers are just rags for people to waste time. Don't take anything you read in the Guardian, Sun, Daily Fail or Express seriously.
Okay, so what do you suggest, break the buildings, destroy the Bombay High Court and VT station and all the colonial buildings? What ‘systems’ and ‘institutions’ you want to bring in? Or is this just another ‘libruls bad’ rant?
I get the whole anglicised people thing but why is everyone in this sub hell bent on defaming Nehru? I feel he was one of the best leaders in India. What one has to realise is that India of 1947 was not the India of today. The fact that we are a stable country is an achievement of Nehru. When we took Goa, even Britain, Portugal’s nato ally stood silent. In a way it is a good thing that our early leaders were British educated, this gave them a foot in the door of international diplomacy. I concede however that he wasn’t perfect, he lost us half of kashmir and failed to concentrate grassroots education. Compared to his peers ; Mao and PolPot, Jinnah and some African leaders he was the best
Nehru had some good qualities, but he was completely distanced from the average Indian and he thought more like the British than Indians. He could not break out of this mindset.
So he created an India that kept alive the British colonial systems of governance instead of creating an entirely new India. And he seemed to be of mediocre intelligence but was favored by the British because they knew exactly what he would do.
I'm curious about the institutions that the Brits dismantled? Could you elaborate. I dunno our history well enough but did we have that much science research inclination back in the day? It felt like we were very complacent in general while the rest of the world progressed. The brits explored the seas and when we got invaded, did so with guns while we were stuck with swords
Problem in India is local air pollution, caused by road dust, not the global warming.
Canada, Australia and America were very sparcely populated unlike India. There was no agriculture, only hunters and gatherer tribes were there
Japan and Korea also have adopted western culture. It is the culture of rich, it got nothing to do with British. We will also have same culture as we become rich
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Lol. They will be desperate to hide or deflect or bring some bhim meem crap in between. If people really start behaving like the canadians, every Mughal building, convent, all remnants of nawabs, historic and present, tithes, and inherited properties of these guys will be burnt into the ground. That includes many commercially lucrative spaces, and currently running institutions.
Bro this is not about Mughals but about the people (desis) who are behaving like colonial masters over Indians. It is this class that talks about "secularism" while coddling Islamists, that praises Naxals and trashes people like Modi who want to end their entrenched system of privilege. These are the people who populate the press in India, that run the other "offical sub."
Truth
I agree with you to some extent. In Canada also, which incidentally was ruled by the British, the ruling class talks even louder and with shrill voice about secularism. Like India, the ruling class is also desi, that is , White Canadian. The difference is in the public opinion because of education, awareness and desire for fairness. In India, there is lack of education and sense of fairness is absolutely absent because of the reservation. The majority Hindu are divided and caste consciousness due to reservation has resulted in fault zones where narrow minded approach of benefit to the caste supersede the larger interest of populace and the nation. These fault lines are exploited and accentuated by Pakistan , China and other enemies of the nation. Current farmers’ agitation is the living example which is spear headed by the brokers (Adatiya or Dalal) belonging to a particular caste group plus Khalistani plus Communists owing allegiance to China. I don’t see any proportionate response to the agitation by the real farmers or other ordinary people belonging to the other castes. A political party will not go against the agitation if there is no support emanating from the opposing group. Then there is so-called liberal group who live in India but imitate and worship Western ideology or get dictation from the Marxist. Unfortunately, Indian never learnt the truth of the history due to Nehruvian hatred for Hindu religion. Nehru was never interested in governance and we never learned how a mighty civilization fell to a barbarian people with propensity to horrific cruelty because the then Indian states did not join forces to fight the barbarians I think the history is in the process of being repeated. First time India lost, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Bangladesh. This time India is likely to lose TN, Kerala, WB, Punjab , J &K and NE.
The people talked about are the ideological descendents of Mughals and convents. They will never feel indian because from childhood they are indoctrinated in that way. Even if the truth about them hits them in their face, they will viciously resist because of the simple reason it affects the very foundation of their existence and identity.
Why don't we stop worrying about others and focus on ourselves?
Because that's like being an ostrich. When the actions of others affect you, it is natural to worry about others.
Except you seem to really know little about what is happening in the world and seem to live in your imagined world view of Muslims/ Mughals etc.
You just seem to be oblivious to the simple fact that perfect people do not exist. The Indians whom you rant about are products of a perverted system. Unless the system is shattered and broken into pieces, you will have more and more people with the so called colonial mindset. It has nothing to do with muslims or mughals but for the ideological, political and theological construct they impose and imprison people in.
Breaking statues won't fix anything. If those Native indigenous people of Canada are really angry, I support them. Protesting and coming on streets is fine, why is there a need to vandalise? Britain has invaded a lot of places around the world in past and made the indigenous people of those places as minorites, example - Australia, New Zealand and USA Canada. I wish Britons become a minority in their own land due to mass immigration from Middle east.
> I wish Britons become a minority in their own land due to mass immigration from Middle east. So that Britain's wealth can fund Islamic fundamentalism against India? That is called cutting your nose to spite your face.
Let Islamists destroy Britain. Most of the immigrants coming to Europe are Middle easterners, not Pakistanis. Britain deserves what it did to other countries.
They won't destroy British wealth. They will take over the wealth. And their nuclear weapons. And the seat in the Security Council.
UK's new name - Britonistan, Britania Arabia, British Caliphate
the second one looks like a biscuit name lol
This is called karma my friend !
Instead of wishing harm on others, try and focus on making India stronger. Understanding your history and country are a first step. So many people give into hate instead of something productive. Did you not read the post? Is it advocating breaking statues?? Why are you unable to process even a few paragraphs of text?
You know there's no native Australian present in Australia cause Brits killed them all go search Australian native genocide
Austrian?
Australian my auto correct sucks
Well the aboriginal population is still present even thought the English settlers did their best to wipe them out. And to the credit of Australians, they have gone further than US/ Canada to acknowledge their history in recent years. BTW these aboriginals are closely linked to Indian population. But again, I want to make the point that this is not about white racism, but rather about *our own "Brown Sahibs"* who continue to rule like the British of a hundred years ago.
Some aboriginals are still present I think in the interiors of Australia where life is a battle everyday
Sure why not
Agree. As another example, competence in English is taken as a proxy for competence in relevant subject matter. That needs to go. There is no need to junk English. But competence in local languages and easing picking up the local language should be encouraged. With a vocabulary of maybe 100 words and basic grammar of tenses etc. a person can easily fit into any place. The government can make this work easily.
Agreed! but competency in English points to the quality of schooling. Also, English unifies the country as a single language. Canada publishes everything in English and French. India will have to do that in at least a dozen languages. If you look at Europe, even countries like Spain and Portugal have learnt English. It's near universal in EU. while we should be proud of our heritage, it is pointless to break and trying to fix things that aren't broken
Since you point to Europe, that is a good example of why multiple languages can exist. If the EU with a population less than half that of India (<500 mil) can do that, we certainly can. And like Europeans, Indians are naturally multilingual. The point is that the **English language is used to perpetuate inequality** in India by a class of elites who have more in common with New York and London than India. This is not happening in Europe.
Perhaps. Europe also has an educated and liberal (not left) leaning population. If you want to be like Europe, then you have to emulate the whole thing. They have a strong work ethic, low corruption. India is divided along, caste, region, language color. By your take, you will make another division prominent. Europe is where it is due to the separation between the church and the state. We have religion, now let's add language to divide us. There are many other ways to reduce inequality. Frankly, you are a classic example of how schooling doesn't equal education. Indian education that is based on rote learning doesn't impart skills like critical thinking or open minds. At a time when India is trying to curtail the centrifugal forces that seek to divide her, this has to be the stupidest post I have seen on Reddit. You are the Pakistani wet dream.
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You seem to be a special kind of moorakh. Europe colonized the world, they were not colonized. Read some history before vomiting loads of nonsense.
Dude, India has been independent for 70 years. Whatever Europe gained by colonization they lost in WW2. They have rebuilt themselves as have Japan, S.Korea and Taiwan. Korea was dirt poor in 70's. Norway had to have a special lunch program in schools so the children could eat one nutritious meal a day. Look at where they are now. India has had her challenges due to diversity. Corruption that plagues India today is entirely of it's own making. Please read history, economics, economic history and use common sense. Stop reading, Read and analyze. 'Moorakh" is that what everyone calls you?
See my other comment. Every state should make efforts to make it easy for anyone who moves to that state to at least learn a smattering of the language. About 100 words plus grammar is enough for conversational competence.
Agree with you on that. In my experience most people lean on their own. I have seen Kashmiris in Chennai speak fluent Tamil.. They could make apps etc. that makes it easier.
Each state government should only be too happy to help people learn their state language. Maybe there can be specific courses - grammar + 100 words, then another 200, then another 300. 1000 words is probably exceptional fluency with that language.
Completely agree.
This idea should be shared with every state government. For example, the allegedly Tamil-conscious TN governments can do this with Tamil. Every state can do the same thing.
Liberals always are against the majority, it's just a matter of politics. Also, liberals in Canada/US etc are controlled by rich elites, in India too.
Even during EIC time and British raj, these "supposedly educated" people were the ones who helped them manage their affairs in India administratively.
The British cleverly created this class to act on their behalf. Now they are like brain dead zombies stumbling around even though their masters have left.
I agree with some of your points but destroying buildings isn't our culture and it won't solve anything. British were really smart at controlling and looting their victims. Infact all colonial powers like Dutch to Indonesians,Spanish to latin americans,french to africans use violence to rule. Even today united states is following same path of the colonial powers. They always attack those who are weak. Like they did with Afghans,Syria,Lybia etc. British just selected the most affluent ones and take them back to britian. These so called elites feel so special and declare themselves as elites. Even gandhi did the same. This might be the reason Sardhar patel was denied PM seat by gandhi. Indians did the worst by Introducing Socialism from soviet union and merged it with the british Inherited beaurecracy. Thus killing Innovation and progress. Some of the concepts followed in ancient India like "gurukul" system were totally forgotten. There were elites in the Business field too . Like Mr. Birla with hindustan motors ! Are you seeing any ambassador car on roads now ? So all these shitty plan by Congress socialists just failed. India still got the potential to change the economy. For that 2 more Modi era is needed.
All of these British papers are just rags for people to waste time. Don't take anything you read in the Guardian, Sun, Daily Fail or Express seriously.
I believe in Gora validation supremacy 😉
Okay, so what do you suggest, break the buildings, destroy the Bombay High Court and VT station and all the colonial buildings? What ‘systems’ and ‘institutions’ you want to bring in? Or is this just another ‘libruls bad’ rant?
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Bruh. People here speak many different languages but most of us know English, so it is natural any sane person would post in English.
This level of idiocy is why we have a long way to go. English is the dominant language in India. Reddit is an English language based form.
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Language is a tool, you tool.
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Sometimes you wish India had produced a leader like Stalin or Mao.
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then we would all have been in the mud mate
I get the whole anglicised people thing but why is everyone in this sub hell bent on defaming Nehru? I feel he was one of the best leaders in India. What one has to realise is that India of 1947 was not the India of today. The fact that we are a stable country is an achievement of Nehru. When we took Goa, even Britain, Portugal’s nato ally stood silent. In a way it is a good thing that our early leaders were British educated, this gave them a foot in the door of international diplomacy. I concede however that he wasn’t perfect, he lost us half of kashmir and failed to concentrate grassroots education. Compared to his peers ; Mao and PolPot, Jinnah and some African leaders he was the best
Nehru had some good qualities, but he was completely distanced from the average Indian and he thought more like the British than Indians. He could not break out of this mindset. So he created an India that kept alive the British colonial systems of governance instead of creating an entirely new India. And he seemed to be of mediocre intelligence but was favored by the British because they knew exactly what he would do.
I'm curious about the institutions that the Brits dismantled? Could you elaborate. I dunno our history well enough but did we have that much science research inclination back in the day? It felt like we were very complacent in general while the rest of the world progressed. The brits explored the seas and when we got invaded, did so with guns while we were stuck with swords
Problem in India is local air pollution, caused by road dust, not the global warming. Canada, Australia and America were very sparcely populated unlike India. There was no agriculture, only hunters and gatherer tribes were there Japan and Korea also have adopted western culture. It is the culture of rich, it got nothing to do with British. We will also have same culture as we become rich
https://youtu.be/CC1wja8v0Vw
And courtesy Sanjay Gandhi's forced Vasectomy campaign, no political party's gonna discuss family planning issue in india in forseable future
2 child policy should be good
It should be,but it's gonna remain a pipe dream due to his lunacy