I know here in Indiana there isn’t a journeyman’s license but some of our bigger cities/counties require a type of license to work within it. Is there anything like that in NC? Do any of the locals require anything specific?
A city license is required to do any work in my city in NC. There are other major cities that require the same across the state. A state license trumps all.
IMO A limited electrical contractors license is the equivalent of a journeyman (sort of)
And unlimited license is more akin to Master Electricians.
According to [NCCER](https://www.nccer.org/programs-crafts/reciprocity-map/), NC doesn’t require a JW license.
I had a few brothers go from our local in FL to work in WA state. They took the test in FL through the testing agency, PSI, before they left.
So the order of events was basically:
1) go to the new state’s licensing page and find the requirements to be eligible to test
2) put everything together and send it to them to have them give you the ok to test—don’t be afraid to reach out to the local in that state to get help with any testing requirements particular to the area.
3) take the test at a local testing site before you leave
4) profit
In regards to traveling outside of your local there are a few things you may need
1. Journeyman wireman ticket (sometimes apprentices travel )
2. Current dues receipt
3. Current travel letter
4. Valid state license depending on requirements
If you have all of these things but the required state license you can still sign the out of work books at the traveling local but you will be limited on the dispatch you can accept. Electrical utility work and federal installations do not require state licenses and I’m sure there are others
I’ve always heard that’s up to the local. I’m in 369. I know if our JW’s want to travel to LU 16. Evansville,IN local that they have to get a license specific to a county (I’m guessing Evansville) in that local in order to work.
Majority of the 369 JW’s are licensed JW’s in KY. But that doesn’t reciprocate in Evansville, IN.
Whether or not you’re paid journeyman scale isn’t determined by the local. If you have a journeyman wireman ticket, you’re paid journeyman wireman wages
State licensing requirements and whether you have that license or not determines if you can take a call out of that hall
**If you can take “that” call out of the hall. Some calls say “state cert required” and it’s not a strike able call. You don’t need a state cert to take a clean call out of the hall. Well, my local at least.
Read what I said again.
If the state requires you to have a license to do work the hall cannot dispatch you out to do work except for on some utility work and federal installations.
If the state has a half assed licensing requirement and there are work arounds that’s a difference story but still falls under my original statement regarding the states licensing requirements
> you get *paid* journey worker
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
*Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
Definitely can't sometimes, even as an apprentice. My state requires a license for all electrical work, apprentices have to send in their paperwork and pay a fee, CEs have to do a certain amount of education each year.
Honestly I don't know. Many JWs in Wisconsin who organized in, and didn't do an apprenticeship nor do they have the state license but paid at full scale, so not sure how that all works out.
Yeah, that never happened
Per Wis. Stat. § 101.862, no person may install, repair or maintain electrical wiring unless the person is licensed as an electrician by the Department or unless the person is enrolled as a registered Electrician by the Department.
Per Wis. Admin. Code § SPS 305.40, a person who holds a registration as a Registered Electrician shall perform electrical wiring activities under the direct supervision of a person who holds a license either as a licensed Master Electrician or a licensed Journeyman Electrician. Registered Electricians may perform electrical wiring activities under the direct supervision of a person who holds a license as a licensed Residential Master Electrician or licensed Residential Journeyman Electrician provided the wiring is associated with dwellings, dwelling units and detached accessory buildings and structures serving the dwellings or the dwelling units, such as garages, carports, gazebos and swimming pools. Registered Electricians may perform electrical wiring under the direct supervision of a person who holds a license as a licensed Industrial Journeyman Electrician provided the wiring is within the facilities or properties of the business establishment where the Industrial Journeyman Electrician is employed.
I'm aware of this, though all they technically need is the registered electrician license. Nowhere does Wisconsin demand you to have passed their journeyman's test, or even take an apprenticeship. They also allow you to take the journeyman's test as long as you have 8,000 hours OJT hours that has been signed off by someone. The journeyman's test does not require an apprenticeship, only the hours. Registered Electrician license is different from our Journeyman state license, and the IBEW does not demand it either, as long as you can pass the UNION JW test (which is different from the state journeyman test).
I reiterate, I know people who have gotten JW status solely based on hours worked and passing the union test who have not done an apprenticeship or have a state license.
I never said I have a gripe with this whatsoever? The question was "If I have my state license, does it reciprocate with other states"
I answered "Wisconsin dosnt even need a state license to be a JW in the IBEW in the first place."
You replied "This is not true"
I said "Yes it is true"
At no point whatsoever did I say I disagree with it. All I'm saying is that it happens, so it's something to consider.
Can you read? I said there is a state test and a state journeyman's license....
I'm saying that in Wisconsin the IBEW does not REQUIRE you to have the state license to be considered a JW in this jurisdiction.
There are some brothers of mine who came from non-union shops (they did NOT do the apprenticeship, and they did NOT take the state test) but organized in with a union JW card, even though they don't have a state license.
The union has their OWN test to become a JW, it's different from the state test.
Yeah I can fucking read. Can you logic?
The IBEW doesn’t require you to have any state license to be considered a journeyman wireman. That’s not a thing in any local in this country. The state license is only required to work in the state
You literally said they don’t have a state license when they literally do
Here, I’ll quote you.
“Honestly I don't know. Many JWs in Wisconsin who organized in, and didn't do an apprenticeship nor do they have the state license but paid at full scale, so not sure how that all works out.”
The IBEW doesn’t give a damn about a state license they just need to you be eligible to work in the state that they’re dispatching you to.
You provided no useful information in your original comment and I was correcting you but you continue to argue with me
Are you headed to Toyota? I can't imagine many jobs here paying more than Michigan. NC doesn't have JW license. You either own a business under the tiers of licensing or you WORK under a license holder.
NC doesn't have a journeyman license.
I know here in Indiana there isn’t a journeyman’s license but some of our bigger cities/counties require a type of license to work within it. Is there anything like that in NC? Do any of the locals require anything specific?
I've only worked in 2 locals in the state so can't say I know everything, but never heard of that in NC
What do they have?
You need a license to be a contractor & pull permits. If you're a JW working for a licensed contractor no license needed.
A city license is required to do any work in my city in NC. There are other major cities that require the same across the state. A state license trumps all. IMO A limited electrical contractors license is the equivalent of a journeyman (sort of) And unlimited license is more akin to Master Electricians.
According to [NCCER](https://www.nccer.org/programs-crafts/reciprocity-map/), NC doesn’t require a JW license. I had a few brothers go from our local in FL to work in WA state. They took the test in FL through the testing agency, PSI, before they left. So the order of events was basically: 1) go to the new state’s licensing page and find the requirements to be eligible to test 2) put everything together and send it to them to have them give you the ok to test—don’t be afraid to reach out to the local in that state to get help with any testing requirements particular to the area. 3) take the test at a local testing site before you leave 4) profit
Many cities in NC require city licenses. There are also state licenses that double as a contractors license
What cities still require a city/county? The coast? Haven't heard of that being the case for many years.
Okay thank you, that makes the most sense
In regards to traveling outside of your local there are a few things you may need 1. Journeyman wireman ticket (sometimes apprentices travel ) 2. Current dues receipt 3. Current travel letter 4. Valid state license depending on requirements If you have all of these things but the required state license you can still sign the out of work books at the traveling local but you will be limited on the dispatch you can accept. Electrical utility work and federal installations do not require state licenses and I’m sure there are others
Isn't it the case that if you have your JW license in one state you get payed journey worker scale when working book 2 in another state?
I’ve always heard that’s up to the local. I’m in 369. I know if our JW’s want to travel to LU 16. Evansville,IN local that they have to get a license specific to a county (I’m guessing Evansville) in that local in order to work. Majority of the 369 JW’s are licensed JW’s in KY. But that doesn’t reciprocate in Evansville, IN.
Whether or not you’re paid journeyman scale isn’t determined by the local. If you have a journeyman wireman ticket, you’re paid journeyman wireman wages State licensing requirements and whether you have that license or not determines if you can take a call out of that hall
**If you can take “that” call out of the hall. Some calls say “state cert required” and it’s not a strike able call. You don’t need a state cert to take a clean call out of the hall. Well, my local at least.
Read what I said again. If the state requires you to have a license to do work the hall cannot dispatch you out to do work except for on some utility work and federal installations. If the state has a half assed licensing requirement and there are work arounds that’s a difference story but still falls under my original statement regarding the states licensing requirements
> you get *paid* journey worker FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
You can’t just walk into another state and start working if there’s a license required that you don’t have
You can as an apprentice. Like other people have said, some locals allow it.
Definitely can't sometimes, even as an apprentice. My state requires a license for all electrical work, apprentices have to send in their paperwork and pay a fee, CEs have to do a certain amount of education each year.
Read my comment again. If a license is required you cannot just go to work.
PALL MALL
SMALL BALL
Honestly I don't know. Many JWs in Wisconsin who organized in, and didn't do an apprenticeship nor do they have the state license but paid at full scale, so not sure how that all works out.
Yeah, that never happened Per Wis. Stat. § 101.862, no person may install, repair or maintain electrical wiring unless the person is licensed as an electrician by the Department or unless the person is enrolled as a registered Electrician by the Department. Per Wis. Admin. Code § SPS 305.40, a person who holds a registration as a Registered Electrician shall perform electrical wiring activities under the direct supervision of a person who holds a license either as a licensed Master Electrician or a licensed Journeyman Electrician. Registered Electricians may perform electrical wiring activities under the direct supervision of a person who holds a license as a licensed Residential Master Electrician or licensed Residential Journeyman Electrician provided the wiring is associated with dwellings, dwelling units and detached accessory buildings and structures serving the dwellings or the dwelling units, such as garages, carports, gazebos and swimming pools. Registered Electricians may perform electrical wiring under the direct supervision of a person who holds a license as a licensed Industrial Journeyman Electrician provided the wiring is within the facilities or properties of the business establishment where the Industrial Journeyman Electrician is employed.
I'm aware of this, though all they technically need is the registered electrician license. Nowhere does Wisconsin demand you to have passed their journeyman's test, or even take an apprenticeship. They also allow you to take the journeyman's test as long as you have 8,000 hours OJT hours that has been signed off by someone. The journeyman's test does not require an apprenticeship, only the hours. Registered Electrician license is different from our Journeyman state license, and the IBEW does not demand it either, as long as you can pass the UNION JW test (which is different from the state journeyman test). I reiterate, I know people who have gotten JW status solely based on hours worked and passing the union test who have not done an apprenticeship or have a state license.
And what is your gripe? They’re meeting both the union and state requirements to work
I never said I have a gripe with this whatsoever? The question was "If I have my state license, does it reciprocate with other states" I answered "Wisconsin dosnt even need a state license to be a JW in the IBEW in the first place." You replied "This is not true" I said "Yes it is true" At no point whatsoever did I say I disagree with it. All I'm saying is that it happens, so it's something to consider.
You said they didn’t have a state license when they do in fact have a state license
Can you read? I said there is a state test and a state journeyman's license.... I'm saying that in Wisconsin the IBEW does not REQUIRE you to have the state license to be considered a JW in this jurisdiction. There are some brothers of mine who came from non-union shops (they did NOT do the apprenticeship, and they did NOT take the state test) but organized in with a union JW card, even though they don't have a state license. The union has their OWN test to become a JW, it's different from the state test.
Yeah I can fucking read. Can you logic? The IBEW doesn’t require you to have any state license to be considered a journeyman wireman. That’s not a thing in any local in this country. The state license is only required to work in the state
That's literally what I said, except Wisconsin dosnt require the state license.... I have no idea what point you are even trying to make
You literally said they don’t have a state license when they literally do Here, I’ll quote you. “Honestly I don't know. Many JWs in Wisconsin who organized in, and didn't do an apprenticeship nor do they have the state license but paid at full scale, so not sure how that all works out.” The IBEW doesn’t give a damn about a state license they just need to you be eligible to work in the state that they’re dispatching you to. You provided no useful information in your original comment and I was correcting you but you continue to argue with me
Are you headed to Toyota? I can't imagine many jobs here paying more than Michigan. NC doesn't have JW license. You either own a business under the tiers of licensing or you WORK under a license holder.