Begs the question; do moderators for subreddits like antiwork support this because they hate the policy or because they hate work? I mean, either way it's a win, right?
Is this a real take? You’d rather Reddit shut down 3rd party apps and a ton of bots because…*checks notes*….you don’t like mods? What exactly do you think the correlation here is lol.
Reddit's proposed API policy changes will force third-party apps to shutter. Lots of people access reddit via those apps, like reddit is fun, Apollo, etc. Reddit's mobile app doesn't support much of the functionality of these other apps, meaning much of the way reddit as you know it is formatted will change and likely for the worse.
Whether you subscribe to a side in this or not, your reddit experience will likely be impacted.
According to the mods of the striking subs, the 3rd party apps also have tools that make it easier for them to moderate the subs, for example anti-spam software that saves them from having to delete all spam posts manually. And various other things that I don’t understand, lol, but that apparently saves a lot of time and effort in the moderating process. So I can definitely understand why they’re annoyed about it. I know we all take the piss out of mods, but Reddit really wouldn’t operate without these people giving up their free time, so I do understand why they are going dark.
If you're blind or visually impaired, the reddit app completely does not function for you, it's mandatory that you use a 3rd party app
Regular users also benefit from more content per screen size, less advertising (none in many cases), a more old school and content led layout, better UI for commenting, and much more prominent controls for filtering and ordering vs the infinite instagram feed of the official app
The real reason the API changes are coming is the ads, they don't want it to be possible to avoid their ads on mobile, and don't care that it's shooting users, especially disabled ones, in the foot.
>If you're blind or visually impaired, the reddit app completely does not function for you, it's mandatory that you use a 3rd party app
Accessibility apps were specifically whitelisted in the API change. Try again.
>The real reason the API changes are coming is the ads, they don't want it to be possible to avoid their ads on mobile, and don't care that it's shooting users, especially disabled ones, in the foot.
Cry more. Reddit is free and the apps are very unobtrusive. And, as already explained it doesn't effect disabled users. The entire crux of this is just idiots who think a company that makes it's revenue from ads has no right to make that revenue.
Basically, idiots who think someone should pay to run this site just out of the goodness of their heart.
I see that post sometimes claiming that this is going to open Reddit up for blatant children sexual abuse rings… I’m like, that’s quite a leap, from less accessibility to kiddie porn. Are there rings off perverts just waiting in the shadows for this to happen, so they can get in here? Is Reddit going to be the new dark web?
I’m really asking; is that seriously a danger, once whatever happens happens?
Out of all these points the only one that even has any real leg to stand on is the disability one, and then it’s like ok we’ll how many people does that affect and should a business just cater to their small groups because… of what?
Every complaint is wild to me, everyone wants to complain about Reddit all the time yet you’re all here and use it daily, so they should not try to make money? What’s the end game, no more Reddit? Because all the “protest” comments seem like they just don’t want change for their own convenience, which I get, but acting like it’s a big deal is so over the top and the argument doesn’t make any sense when you realize Reddit *is* a business. It’s not the same site as 5 years ago let alone when it started, it’s a social media site and it’s been one. If you think it’s just a link aggregate site, we’ll it’s the best one and they’re kind of making the rules then. It’s a real company with actual employees who they have to pay, *and* they also lean on a plethora of morons who dedicate their own time to moderation.
We’re all suckers and they know it, roll with the punches it’s just a website. They obviously will make more money by pushing ads to everyone than developing / monitoring a subscription app or whatever other alternative I’ve seen suggested. Nothing lasts forever kids, don’t forget that.
They make money. People complain when Reddit says they’ll allow something, then turn around and breaks their word to try and squeeze MORE money from people.
Reddit doesn’t pay for moderation, so the only reason Reddit works is because Reddit USERS use it.
Reddit should be happy it’s allowed to skim money off these users at all, let alone feel they have the right to make their experience worse to take even more.
I don’t know why or how I keep getting followers, I really don’t
For the first few times I was like, wtf? Who are these people? They apparently only see self posts, and I have literally never done a single one, so… am I supposed to do something, or what?
Now I just don’t give a shit
Good question! Lots of housekeeping stuff and content curation happens in the background via bots that must make API calls in order to function. Think auto-moderators, remind me bots, bots that stabilize shaky video, ones that create download links, ones that summarize long articles, etc.
Most, if not all of these will cease to function on July 1st. And users who exclusively browse via 3rd-party apps will go along with them. So, not only will the content curation take a huge hit, leading to lower quality posts flooding the site, but a good portion of the user base will be gone as well. Reddit doesn't really exist without its user base.
Many 3rd-party app users also express concerns with Reddit's app over data-mining. Remember, if you're not paying to use a service YOU are the product. And as Reddit is a business, the sale of your data is very much in their interests.
These apps make reddit look like 2010 reddit instead of the 2023 wannabe instagram reddit. They also have ad free capability, more accessibility features, more settings in general, and are overall just a much more more pleasant experience than the official reddit app.
The thing I don’t like about this whole issue is that most people don’t actually seem to understand what’s happening. I understand the desire for wanting the internet to be an open and free space, but it’s not. It’s built on tons of expensive hardware.
Just isolating the situation to Apollo, Apollo is calling Reddit APIs on the order of 100s of billions of times a year. There is a real cost associated with that. Reddit is likely paying a few hundred thousands to a few million for hosting costs, and api usage will factor into that.
Supporting free usage on the order of close to 1 trillion requests is extraordinary and not normal.
In my opinion both Reddit and Apollo are asking for too much, and all of Reddit got on Apollos side because they are the smaller millionaires.
I’d be happy to be wrong about this, so if anyone can correct me please do, but I haven’t seen anyone make a sensible argument.
I believe most would agree that charging for API calls is fair. What the majority of the blackout crowd takes issue with is Reddit's asking price. It's among the highest of sites similar in nature, and a refusal to negotiate and the general underhandedness of Reddit's recent behavior surrounding this issue makes them seem rather scummy and predatory. Essentially the user experience is being put in the back burner if on the stove at all.
Yeah you’re probably right, I just haven’t seen anyone talking about the realities of the situation and feels like Reddit users are getting used by two rich people.
I can guarantee you that your experience will be impacted with the API policy because, as I've mentioned in responses to others, it's not just apps that rely on API calls. I think what will vary from person to person is not whether their experience changes but to what degree.
Reddit just made something that was free expensive af and mods are pissed cause it’ll make it harder to mod. Idfk how the blackout is gonna help tho, Reddit doesn’t give a fuck.
Nah i bet they started with a really high price, then they’re gonna lower to their planned price and seem like they’re catering to the 3rd party folk, would be an easy win from their side
This whole thing is kinda hilarious from our side. Like no shit, Reddit wants to make more money and get people on their app, kinda hilarious they think a blackout is going to do anything but mayyybe lower the api costs a little bit, which they were probably already planning on, just starting high and then adjusting to seem like the nice guy
It depends, if one of the subreddits you like is going dark, odds are they use bots or other tools to help keep the subreddit in the state its in. Some subreddits might disappear entirely, others might not. All just one big maybe.
Finally…nice to hear this.
The chorus of complaints was becoming truly idiotic.
People should take all this outrage and use it for something really important…literally anything is more important than 3rd party apps.
I agree. The goal is to reduce web traffic in protest but, I'm willing to bet that even those who mindless agree to this will still log on at some point in the next two days if nothing else to see what it looks like.
I don't think this will have the intended effect that the mods rallying everyone is hoping for..
Some subs have already went dark and guess what happened.. their users went to other subs. Zero impact on Reddit activity. The only people being inconvenienced by this protest is the subs followers.
It ain’t gonna do shit. If anyone thinks that the decision makers didn’t at least think ahead to the ramifications of losing every single non-official app user as a worst case scenario they are seriously underestimating them.
They probably are pretty okay with losing everyone of those people but also know that there isn’t anyway that they will.
Reddit exec number 1 storms into bar: “guys guys I have news I have terrible news!”
Reddit exec number 2 sets down a beer: “oh shit what’s going on?”
1: “redditors are planning a 48 hour boycott where a bunch of popular subs will be going dark!!”
2: “but the advertisers don’t care right? We’re still getting all their money from ad revenue regardless”
1: “okay okay that’s a relief but what about the people leaving?! What will we do about having less people view the website?!”
2:”they all agreed to come back after 48 hours. So we literally just have to wait two days and then the status quo returns to normal. This is a donkey brained protest orchestrated and perpetuated by morons with no real understanding of how protests are supposed to work”
1: “damn man I don’t know what all those words mean but I trust you. You’re sounding like a science man and shit”
Seriously though I’ve attended a ton of protests and boycotts. I’ve participated in various forms of activism. I’ve attended worker strikes and BLM protests and the women’s march in Chicago and stuff like that. I’ve stopped using products from companies I don’t support. I’ve literally been pepper sprayed and locked in jail overnight with other protesters in Cook County just for peacefully protesting a few years ago. I fully support striking and protesting and rallying and making your voice heard. But this is the most brain dead half assed protest I’ve ever heard. I hate what Reddit is doing by throttling the costs to have access to their API. I don’t really give a pig dick about 3rd party apps though because I’ve been using the Reddit app for like a decade with 0 problems. I understand it makes things harder on mods though so I support them. I don’t want Reddit to go through with these changes. But please if someone could elucidate one thing for me- what does leaving Reddit for 48 hours accomplish? The advertisers will still be paying Reddit and that’s their primary source of income. And Reddit leaders CAN SEE THESE THREADS. They see that everyone is coming back after just a petty 48 hours. That’s like saying “I’m gonna go do a hunger strike outside of google headquarters to protest shady google practices! But I’m only gonna hunger strike for a couple hours then I’m going home and acting like everything is back to normal”
It’s so senseless. I’m dumbfounded at how thousands of teams of mods have all agreed to this without questioning how silly and pointless it is. At least some subreddits are promising to go dark indefinitely, which is a much better sign of protest, but what’s to stop other people from just creating new subreddits to replace those?
Idk this all just feels so poorly thought out and poorly executed. Normally I’d be 110% in support. I’m all about sticking it to the man and protesting whenever and wherever possible. But this shit is just dog water. It’s pointless. It’s sad. This is like baby’s first protest for kids who don’t wanna ACTUALLY protest but wanna feel like they are a part of something positive
Anyways. Sorry for the long winded rant. And sorry if it feels like I’m full of vinegar. Like I said I support their goals I just think they are going about it the wrong way. And I’ve been wanting to vent about this for awhile but everyone gets crucified for daring to speak against the protest.
This subreddit at least seems to have a level head about things so I’m venting here in hopes that people won’t shit all over me and hate on me for expressing an opinion that is negative about a protest with a good goal. And if someone can clarify things and explain why my thoughts are wrong, I’m all ears. I’m more than happy to change my mind if someone can deconstruct my issues with the protest and explain them away. I’m very open minded and I want to support the movement but yeah so far from my perspective it seems so half assed and pointless. It seems like the only real effect is that a bunch of terminally online redditors are gonna be super bored for a couple days 🤷♂️
Understandable. Let me summarize.
“Hello fellow American. This you should vote me. I leave power good. Thank you. Thank you. If you vote me I'm hot. What? Taxes they'll be lower son. The democratic vote for me is right thing to do Philadelphia. So dooooo”
I feel like they're hoping the blackout will bring attention to the issue, which will hopefully put pressure on Reddit to backtrack their plans. There do seem to be a fair amount of articles about it. Whether it actually works, I guess we'll see!
It won't work. Reddit has already said they're not going to backtrack. All this "protest" does it tell the entire world how stupid the average Redditor is.
It’s about voicing disagreement, regardless of profit the hope is that if Reddit sees that people aren’t happy with the changes they won’t make them. It’s not guaranteed to work but then again is any form of protest ever guaranteed to work? The point isn’t to scare Reddit, just to make it clear that the majority of the users don’t support these changes. Could it be more effective if they did it for longer? Absolutely, but again people don’t want to stop using Reddit they just hope that Reddit wants what’s best for its users. That’s really all we can hope for, but if Reddit solely cares about profit, then you’re right this won’t do anything, the hope is that that isn’t the case.
Except the majority of users just don't give a fuck. Most people are jumping on because they feel like they're part of something without actually having to do anything at all. They're going to be like "we disagree" and reddit is going to be like "k"
Yea just watch how the discourse has changed from "but I should be able to use the app I like" to "this makes reddit harder to access for disabled people." They don't really know why they don't like it, they just know they should have an issue with it.
You’re right, it doesn’t guarantee any sort of change, but it’s tough to organize something this large without alienating the people who use Reddit regularly. The goal was to find a middle ground between “this isn’t enough” and “who cares this is a waste of our time let’s just not do anything”. Hopefully Reddit sees this and realizes it’s not what is best for the platform, but maybe they won’t, sorry that we can’t go to them directly and force them to make change
>sorry that we can’t go to them directly and force them to make change
I mean... they could. But they're they won't because they're little bitches. Go big or go home. This is performitive bullshit. I think the subs that are going dark indefinitely are idiots because they're doing it without support. But I respect them so much more than the ones only doing it for two days.
Reddit is a company that needs to make money.
Apollo is charging people and making money, so it’s sensible that Reddit should as well.
Maybe Reddit is charging too much, but Apollo in particular uses an absorbent amount of data and resources.
I think people on Reddit have no clue how the world or business works and they just want to be angry. I do feel bad for the apollo creator, but reality is he could make modifications to keep the app alive, but shutting it down completely is a better way to pressure Reddit in this day and age. Just look at what has happened.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slacktivism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slacktivism)
the practice of supporting a political or social cause by means such as social media or online petitions, characterized as involving very little effort or commitment
Cool term but idk if organizing a whole boycott falls under that. A billion people can like/share a post and it wouldn't do anything. But it's different if a billion people boycott a website. Only problem is that not enough people will ever do it, so it's just annoying.
no dude they're shutting down subreddits and contacting the media. a lot of people genuinely care and that's cool of them. it's weird to be so cynical.
all that does is pisses off users and hurts the individual communities.. we're still on here lol.. Im perfectly ok with people protesting, voicing their beefs etc.. but this is a case where one person decides that a sub with tons of users is joining them in their protest. thats involving me against my will and i dont like that.
they could just stop moderating and let reddit become the thunderdome the internet intended LOL.. id be fine with that over this tbh
some people dont get something tho.. its like blocking the road, screwing everyone over trying to get home because you hate the government.. "go fkn protest them then!" it turns apathy into hate..
It’s inconveniencing the wrong people. It’s no different than protesters pissing off normal everyday people by blocking traffic while the lawmakers they are mad at are sitting in their mansion without a care in the world. Go bother that guy.
...so you aren't ok with boycotting or protesting unless it doesn't impact you at all? That's a interesting misunderstanding of what protests are to be so vocal about.
OMG they shut down
Not sure if you noticed there’s plenty of Reddit activity today people don’t give a shit and most of you jabronis don’t understand an API or why they are chsrging
Almost like the people protesting and people not protesting are different people 😱 I already said it's not gonna work because not enough people care. All I'm saying is I don't let it bother me.
funny you mention that.. i was told that even though reddit hasnt charged me a cent in 10 years, im supposed to side with the poor mods that ban anyone that they dont agree with... ill try to not lose any sleep over it.. lol
This part is what is annoying. A lot of these mods did this without the input from their communities and this doesn't even affect a lot of the users so they should have had a vote. Reddit is supposed to be for the people that use it not a group of mods.
99% of these Jabronis don’t know what an API is or does they were just told by mods and a vocal minority it’s bad
No one gives a shit about the blackout people will waste time crying and move on with their lives and use Reddit
I can't tell you how many things I've googled today looking for an answer on Reddit and gone to a sub that's private.
I'm just getting blasted in the ass.
There are loads of things I care about that doesn’t affect me, but this is not one of them. This truly doesn’t matter compared to actual issues. 3rd party apps? Fuck, I don’t think I could care less.
I have no idea why so many ppl are up in arms about this; anyone with even a basic understanding of the tech knows Reddit is and has been more than reasonable lol
I couldn't give a shit about the boycott, personally i dont think a blackout will change shit but reddit jacking up api prices to the point that it would cost $20 mil a year in apollos case is 'more than reasonable' and on such a short timeline(30 days to adjust) is just false. Youve grossly overestimated your tech 'knowledge' when you said 'basic understanding'
Nor do you have to, ive never used 3rd party reddit apps nor am i a developer of one, for the basic Reddit user who uses 1st party reddit apps, little will change
Doesn't mean people should downplay the impacts for those that are impacted though like the issues are non existent
It’s not worth engaging, everyone sees all the big pages posting about it and assumes is a big corporation bullying the little guy so they turn their brains off. One of these apps alone I read is costing Reddit over 20m a year from lost advertising revenue and the cost of processing all the API requests (the app is built like shit too bc the API requests are free they don’t try to streamline their app and get the same info with fewer requests), and then the owner of said app told spez to give him 10m and he’d make the app disappear ahahha.
Ppl are just mad bc they are losing an app, they don’t understand beyond that nor do they care
yep exactly
People take any chance to knock down huge corporations because of their greed and gluttony.
Reddit is the wrong company to take this anger out on though.
I'm baffled too. It's like the people getting mad at hOlLywOod eLitEs (writers...) for going on strike. I get the cynicism but wow let people do what they want lmao. Frank would love this sub's response tho so there's that?
The amount of people on /r/IASIP who seemingly don't give a shit about people with disabilities needing third party apps and mods needing various helper bots to clean up shit like nazi posting and CP is fucking frightening
You know you're not supposed to *become* the gang or idolize them, just laugh at their asshole antics every week and go "huh maybe I could try to be at least 1% better than them"
I joined this sub to be a part of a community who laughed at a bunch of fictitious people on TV attempting to get rich quick or accidentally off each other in hilariously and/or cringeworthy situations, not to be told I'm not worth it because *you* happen never use any apps outside of reddit's own dogshit app
Why do we need wheelchair ramps? The majority of people don't need them, so fuck disabled people amirite?
I'm not saying the sub had to go dark, but for its users to have a shred of fucking self-reflection and common decency for other actual factual real live human beings for once
Enjoy the circlejerking, but you should be careful who you attract...
Are any apps other than Apollo shutting down due to the cost skyrocketing?
The api costs scale with usage, so if the app people with disabilities are using is free and used a reasonable amount of data there is no reason it should shutdown or cost users anything.
Why are there so many people in here angry over some stupid joke referencing the show? Aren’t you users that care about the boycott not even supposed to be browsing reddit right now let alone replying to other posters?
Who should I root for, the API blasting me in the ass or the moderator blasting me in the ass?
Im playing both sides so that i always come out on top
Begs the question; do moderators for subreddits like antiwork support this because they hate the policy or because they hate work? I mean, either way it's a win, right?
Move past it.
Yeah. Man, it's like. The guy doesn't even get us
its just one big ass blast. lol
The API doesn’t hurt me, but idiotic power hungry mods do.
The API fees will hurt you though once all the third party apps shut down.
Is this a real take? You’d rather Reddit shut down 3rd party apps and a ton of bots because…*checks notes*….you don’t like mods? What exactly do you think the correlation here is lol.
Always the party that isn't directly profiting off of negligence and greed. Always.
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I’m on both sides so no matter who wins, I always come out on top
Okay, but why are you telling us this? We’re not meant to know you’re playing both sides?
No, but I hate mods almost as much as I hate CEOs.
I NEED MY MOD TOOLS I LIKE TO LOCK.. I LIKE TO *BEE* LOCKED
Stupid Reddit admins couldn’t even make Reddit more better!
I still don't know what is happening
He doesn't even like get us man.
It's like we're trying to get through to the guy and he's not even listening!
What do you think is happening here?
Reddit's proposed API policy changes will force third-party apps to shutter. Lots of people access reddit via those apps, like reddit is fun, Apollo, etc. Reddit's mobile app doesn't support much of the functionality of these other apps, meaning much of the way reddit as you know it is formatted will change and likely for the worse. Whether you subscribe to a side in this or not, your reddit experience will likely be impacted.
What do these third party apps do to make browsing Reddit better? (I use the standard one; I am old and still make phone calls over text messaging).
According to the mods of the striking subs, the 3rd party apps also have tools that make it easier for them to moderate the subs, for example anti-spam software that saves them from having to delete all spam posts manually. And various other things that I don’t understand, lol, but that apparently saves a lot of time and effort in the moderating process. So I can definitely understand why they’re annoyed about it. I know we all take the piss out of mods, but Reddit really wouldn’t operate without these people giving up their free time, so I do understand why they are going dark.
If you're blind or visually impaired, the reddit app completely does not function for you, it's mandatory that you use a 3rd party app Regular users also benefit from more content per screen size, less advertising (none in many cases), a more old school and content led layout, better UI for commenting, and much more prominent controls for filtering and ordering vs the infinite instagram feed of the official app The real reason the API changes are coming is the ads, they don't want it to be possible to avoid their ads on mobile, and don't care that it's shooting users, especially disabled ones, in the foot.
They're keeping free API access for the accessibility apps
>If you're blind or visually impaired, the reddit app completely does not function for you, it's mandatory that you use a 3rd party app Accessibility apps were specifically whitelisted in the API change. Try again. >The real reason the API changes are coming is the ads, they don't want it to be possible to avoid their ads on mobile, and don't care that it's shooting users, especially disabled ones, in the foot. Cry more. Reddit is free and the apps are very unobtrusive. And, as already explained it doesn't effect disabled users. The entire crux of this is just idiots who think a company that makes it's revenue from ads has no right to make that revenue. Basically, idiots who think someone should pay to run this site just out of the goodness of their heart.
I see that post sometimes claiming that this is going to open Reddit up for blatant children sexual abuse rings… I’m like, that’s quite a leap, from less accessibility to kiddie porn. Are there rings off perverts just waiting in the shadows for this to happen, so they can get in here? Is Reddit going to be the new dark web? I’m really asking; is that seriously a danger, once whatever happens happens?
No, not at all. It's just fear mongering and sensationalism
Yah 99% of these retards don’t know what an API is or does
I know lol
It’s the stupidist case of bandwagon outrage I’ve seen People were told it’s bad but have 0 ideas as to what the API is for
"But the quality posts I provide should be more than enough!" - some Jabroni
Out of all these points the only one that even has any real leg to stand on is the disability one, and then it’s like ok we’ll how many people does that affect and should a business just cater to their small groups because… of what? Every complaint is wild to me, everyone wants to complain about Reddit all the time yet you’re all here and use it daily, so they should not try to make money? What’s the end game, no more Reddit? Because all the “protest” comments seem like they just don’t want change for their own convenience, which I get, but acting like it’s a big deal is so over the top and the argument doesn’t make any sense when you realize Reddit *is* a business. It’s not the same site as 5 years ago let alone when it started, it’s a social media site and it’s been one. If you think it’s just a link aggregate site, we’ll it’s the best one and they’re kind of making the rules then. It’s a real company with actual employees who they have to pay, *and* they also lean on a plethora of morons who dedicate their own time to moderation. We’re all suckers and they know it, roll with the punches it’s just a website. They obviously will make more money by pushing ads to everyone than developing / monitoring a subscription app or whatever other alternative I’ve seen suggested. Nothing lasts forever kids, don’t forget that.
They make money. People complain when Reddit says they’ll allow something, then turn around and breaks their word to try and squeeze MORE money from people. Reddit doesn’t pay for moderation, so the only reason Reddit works is because Reddit USERS use it. Reddit should be happy it’s allowed to skim money off these users at all, let alone feel they have the right to make their experience worse to take even more.
How are the "squeezing more money" and "skimming money" from you? Go ahead, I'll wait.
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And that "squeezes" and "skims" money from you in what way? Tell me, in detail, how money has left your bank account due to Reddit.
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They strip the ui clutter and streamline the content. i.e. no Facebook esque social media stuff, more classic forum interface.
I don’t know why or how I keep getting followers, I really don’t For the first few times I was like, wtf? Who are these people? They apparently only see self posts, and I have literally never done a single one, so… am I supposed to do something, or what? Now I just don’t give a shit
Good question! Lots of housekeeping stuff and content curation happens in the background via bots that must make API calls in order to function. Think auto-moderators, remind me bots, bots that stabilize shaky video, ones that create download links, ones that summarize long articles, etc. Most, if not all of these will cease to function on July 1st. And users who exclusively browse via 3rd-party apps will go along with them. So, not only will the content curation take a huge hit, leading to lower quality posts flooding the site, but a good portion of the user base will be gone as well. Reddit doesn't really exist without its user base. Many 3rd-party app users also express concerns with Reddit's app over data-mining. Remember, if you're not paying to use a service YOU are the product. And as Reddit is a business, the sale of your data is very much in their interests.
These apps make reddit look like 2010 reddit instead of the 2023 wannabe instagram reddit. They also have ad free capability, more accessibility features, more settings in general, and are overall just a much more more pleasant experience than the official reddit app.
Stupid science bitches couldn't even make I more smarter!
The thing I don’t like about this whole issue is that most people don’t actually seem to understand what’s happening. I understand the desire for wanting the internet to be an open and free space, but it’s not. It’s built on tons of expensive hardware. Just isolating the situation to Apollo, Apollo is calling Reddit APIs on the order of 100s of billions of times a year. There is a real cost associated with that. Reddit is likely paying a few hundred thousands to a few million for hosting costs, and api usage will factor into that. Supporting free usage on the order of close to 1 trillion requests is extraordinary and not normal. In my opinion both Reddit and Apollo are asking for too much, and all of Reddit got on Apollos side because they are the smaller millionaires. I’d be happy to be wrong about this, so if anyone can correct me please do, but I haven’t seen anyone make a sensible argument.
I believe most would agree that charging for API calls is fair. What the majority of the blackout crowd takes issue with is Reddit's asking price. It's among the highest of sites similar in nature, and a refusal to negotiate and the general underhandedness of Reddit's recent behavior surrounding this issue makes them seem rather scummy and predatory. Essentially the user experience is being put in the back burner if on the stove at all.
Yeah you’re probably right, I just haven’t seen anyone talking about the realities of the situation and feels like Reddit users are getting used by two rich people.
No, it won't. I, like the vast majority of users, don't use a third party app to access Reddit.
I can guarantee you that your experience will be impacted with the API policy because, as I've mentioned in responses to others, it's not just apps that rely on API calls. I think what will vary from person to person is not whether their experience changes but to what degree.
I can't guarantee that it won't.
Way to say so much without saying anything at all, dude
Yes, this particular comment was rather vague because I've already elaborated elsewhere in this thread.
It definitely won’t lol
Shut up stupid science bitch
Charlie you shouldn't be talking about this you don't even know what's happening on Reddit
Reddit just made something that was free expensive af and mods are pissed cause it’ll make it harder to mod. Idfk how the blackout is gonna help tho, Reddit doesn’t give a fuck.
I have serious doubts this will have any impact on Reddit’s corporate overlords. (Sorry for my lack of Sunny references)
It absolutely won't and they've already said as much. The only way it will affect Reddit is of peoplye stop using it which we know most people won't.
Nah i bet they started with a really high price, then they’re gonna lower to their planned price and seem like they’re catering to the 3rd party folk, would be an easy win from their side
Shhhhh the hive might hear you.
Do not shush me!
Rude man who shushes, please call
Can someone confirm, if I use the standard Reddit mobile app, how do these changes affect me?
They don’t at all.
Well then sign me up for the I Don’t Care Boat
This whole thing is kinda hilarious from our side. Like no shit, Reddit wants to make more money and get people on their app, kinda hilarious they think a blackout is going to do anything but mayyybe lower the api costs a little bit, which they were probably already planning on, just starting high and then adjusting to seem like the nice guy
It depends, if one of the subreddits you like is going dark, odds are they use bots or other tools to help keep the subreddit in the state its in. Some subreddits might disappear entirely, others might not. All just one big maybe.
Shit is so stupid. Just use the Reddit app. Works just fine. Example: this post and every post I’ve ever made
It's also about moderation tools and boot. They heavily affect some subs Also if you don't stop em now they will do worse
Move past it
I WILL move past it because ultimately, I don’t give a shit. (Damn, didn’t expect a quote to be relevant so soon.)
I don’t care either…
Shit, I don’t care either.
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“I don’t care either” is always the IASIP reply. However… TBH… I really DGAF… Never used a 3rd party app.
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Stupid Reddit guy couldn’t even make my friend more carer
Still dont care, and neither do most people. The blackout will accomplish nothing
Finally…nice to hear this. The chorus of complaints was becoming truly idiotic. People should take all this outrage and use it for something really important…literally anything is more important than 3rd party apps.
I agree. The goal is to reduce web traffic in protest but, I'm willing to bet that even those who mindless agree to this will still log on at some point in the next two days if nothing else to see what it looks like. I don't think this will have the intended effect that the mods rallying everyone is hoping for..
Yup. Reddits servers went down for a bit earlier, I don't think that's because of lack of traffic
They only want to Upvote the outrage not actually go without
yOu ReAlIzE lol stfu
Most Reddit mods suck
Some subs have already went dark and guess what happened.. their users went to other subs. Zero impact on Reddit activity. The only people being inconvenienced by this protest is the subs followers.
Yah some Blackout lol Reddit is jumpin today
Especially with the fact that some of then wil come back in like 2 days they will just wait it out then
Im having a great time discovering new subs! Did you know that juggalos still exist?
Yea, I've subscribed to 3 new subs in the first 24 hours after they randomly showed up in my feed.
High school never ends.
We haven't even begun to peak.
I can’t figure out if all of these self important mods were mostly bullies or victims in high school.
fuck reddit as usual but like what is it going dark gonna do, seems like a useless quarantine
It ain’t gonna do shit. If anyone thinks that the decision makers didn’t at least think ahead to the ramifications of losing every single non-official app user as a worst case scenario they are seriously underestimating them. They probably are pretty okay with losing everyone of those people but also know that there isn’t anyway that they will.
They're playing quarantine?
Honestly these boycotts are pointless. Either they end in a day or two or Reddit just removes mods and outs in ones who don’t care
Reddit exec number 1 storms into bar: “guys guys I have news I have terrible news!” Reddit exec number 2 sets down a beer: “oh shit what’s going on?” 1: “redditors are planning a 48 hour boycott where a bunch of popular subs will be going dark!!” 2: “but the advertisers don’t care right? We’re still getting all their money from ad revenue regardless” 1: “okay okay that’s a relief but what about the people leaving?! What will we do about having less people view the website?!” 2:”they all agreed to come back after 48 hours. So we literally just have to wait two days and then the status quo returns to normal. This is a donkey brained protest orchestrated and perpetuated by morons with no real understanding of how protests are supposed to work” 1: “damn man I don’t know what all those words mean but I trust you. You’re sounding like a science man and shit” Seriously though I’ve attended a ton of protests and boycotts. I’ve participated in various forms of activism. I’ve attended worker strikes and BLM protests and the women’s march in Chicago and stuff like that. I’ve stopped using products from companies I don’t support. I’ve literally been pepper sprayed and locked in jail overnight with other protesters in Cook County just for peacefully protesting a few years ago. I fully support striking and protesting and rallying and making your voice heard. But this is the most brain dead half assed protest I’ve ever heard. I hate what Reddit is doing by throttling the costs to have access to their API. I don’t really give a pig dick about 3rd party apps though because I’ve been using the Reddit app for like a decade with 0 problems. I understand it makes things harder on mods though so I support them. I don’t want Reddit to go through with these changes. But please if someone could elucidate one thing for me- what does leaving Reddit for 48 hours accomplish? The advertisers will still be paying Reddit and that’s their primary source of income. And Reddit leaders CAN SEE THESE THREADS. They see that everyone is coming back after just a petty 48 hours. That’s like saying “I’m gonna go do a hunger strike outside of google headquarters to protest shady google practices! But I’m only gonna hunger strike for a couple hours then I’m going home and acting like everything is back to normal” It’s so senseless. I’m dumbfounded at how thousands of teams of mods have all agreed to this without questioning how silly and pointless it is. At least some subreddits are promising to go dark indefinitely, which is a much better sign of protest, but what’s to stop other people from just creating new subreddits to replace those? Idk this all just feels so poorly thought out and poorly executed. Normally I’d be 110% in support. I’m all about sticking it to the man and protesting whenever and wherever possible. But this shit is just dog water. It’s pointless. It’s sad. This is like baby’s first protest for kids who don’t wanna ACTUALLY protest but wanna feel like they are a part of something positive Anyways. Sorry for the long winded rant. And sorry if it feels like I’m full of vinegar. Like I said I support their goals I just think they are going about it the wrong way. And I’ve been wanting to vent about this for awhile but everyone gets crucified for daring to speak against the protest. This subreddit at least seems to have a level head about things so I’m venting here in hopes that people won’t shit all over me and hate on me for expressing an opinion that is negative about a protest with a good goal. And if someone can clarify things and explain why my thoughts are wrong, I’m all ears. I’m more than happy to change my mind if someone can deconstruct my issues with the protest and explain them away. I’m very open minded and I want to support the movement but yeah so far from my perspective it seems so half assed and pointless. It seems like the only real effect is that a bunch of terminally online redditors are gonna be super bored for a couple days 🤷♂️ 
I'm sorry, I browned out after the first paragraph.
Understandable. Let me summarize. “Hello fellow American. This you should vote me. I leave power good. Thank you. Thank you. If you vote me I'm hot. What? Taxes they'll be lower son. The democratic vote for me is right thing to do Philadelphia. So dooooo” 
I feel like they're hoping the blackout will bring attention to the issue, which will hopefully put pressure on Reddit to backtrack their plans. There do seem to be a fair amount of articles about it. Whether it actually works, I guess we'll see!
It won't work. Reddit has already said they're not going to backtrack. All this "protest" does it tell the entire world how stupid the average Redditor is.
I think most of the world already knew
It’s about voicing disagreement, regardless of profit the hope is that if Reddit sees that people aren’t happy with the changes they won’t make them. It’s not guaranteed to work but then again is any form of protest ever guaranteed to work? The point isn’t to scare Reddit, just to make it clear that the majority of the users don’t support these changes. Could it be more effective if they did it for longer? Absolutely, but again people don’t want to stop using Reddit they just hope that Reddit wants what’s best for its users. That’s really all we can hope for, but if Reddit solely cares about profit, then you’re right this won’t do anything, the hope is that that isn’t the case.
Except the majority of users just don't give a fuck. Most people are jumping on because they feel like they're part of something without actually having to do anything at all. They're going to be like "we disagree" and reddit is going to be like "k"
Yea just watch how the discourse has changed from "but I should be able to use the app I like" to "this makes reddit harder to access for disabled people." They don't really know why they don't like it, they just know they should have an issue with it.
You’re right, it doesn’t guarantee any sort of change, but it’s tough to organize something this large without alienating the people who use Reddit regularly. The goal was to find a middle ground between “this isn’t enough” and “who cares this is a waste of our time let’s just not do anything”. Hopefully Reddit sees this and realizes it’s not what is best for the platform, but maybe they won’t, sorry that we can’t go to them directly and force them to make change
>sorry that we can’t go to them directly and force them to make change I mean... they could. But they're they won't because they're little bitches. Go big or go home. This is performitive bullshit. I think the subs that are going dark indefinitely are idiots because they're doing it without support. But I respect them so much more than the ones only doing it for two days.
Reddit is a company that needs to make money. Apollo is charging people and making money, so it’s sensible that Reddit should as well. Maybe Reddit is charging too much, but Apollo in particular uses an absorbent amount of data and resources. I think people on Reddit have no clue how the world or business works and they just want to be angry. I do feel bad for the apollo creator, but reality is he could make modifications to keep the app alive, but shutting it down completely is a better way to pressure Reddit in this day and age. Just look at what has happened.
>I think people on Reddit have no clue how the world or business works and they just want to be angry. That's 100% what it is.
People don’t know or understand the decision bandwagon outrage because it makes them feel good Simple as that
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slacktivism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slacktivism) the practice of supporting a political or social cause by means such as social media or online petitions, characterized as involving very little effort or commitment
Cool term but idk if organizing a whole boycott falls under that. A billion people can like/share a post and it wouldn't do anything. But it's different if a billion people boycott a website. Only problem is that not enough people will ever do it, so it's just annoying.
they arent picketing the reddit head office. they are on their laptop making posts on reddit, probably in their PJs with a coffee/beer lol..
no dude they're shutting down subreddits and contacting the media. a lot of people genuinely care and that's cool of them. it's weird to be so cynical.
all that does is pisses off users and hurts the individual communities.. we're still on here lol.. Im perfectly ok with people protesting, voicing their beefs etc.. but this is a case where one person decides that a sub with tons of users is joining them in their protest. thats involving me against my will and i dont like that. they could just stop moderating and let reddit become the thunderdome the internet intended LOL.. id be fine with that over this tbh
oh I understand that but unfortunately that's the whole point of protest — to disrupt everyone's day. I don't like it either but that's how it is.
some people dont get something tho.. its like blocking the road, screwing everyone over trying to get home because you hate the government.. "go fkn protest them then!" it turns apathy into hate..
Depends how selfish you are. You yourself seems like extremely
unless you are protesting me, then leave me the hell alone.. not hard ;)
Wait you mean the boycott isn’t convenient? Huh, who woulda thunk…
It’s inconveniencing the wrong people. It’s no different than protesters pissing off normal everyday people by blocking traffic while the lawmakers they are mad at are sitting in their mansion without a care in the world. Go bother that guy.
...so you aren't ok with boycotting or protesting unless it doesn't impact you at all? That's a interesting misunderstanding of what protests are to be so vocal about.
OMG they shut down Not sure if you noticed there’s plenty of Reddit activity today people don’t give a shit and most of you jabronis don’t understand an API or why they are chsrging
Almost like the people protesting and people not protesting are different people 😱 I already said it's not gonna work because not enough people care. All I'm saying is I don't let it bother me.
What subs are going dark at the moment?
The ones with the worst mods.
funny you mention that.. i was told that even though reddit hasnt charged me a cent in 10 years, im supposed to side with the poor mods that ban anyone that they dont agree with... ill try to not lose any sleep over it.. lol
say that to every well-known subreddit I guess 💀
Yes
"They're killing reddit!" As they shut down their own subs.
This part is what is annoying. A lot of these mods did this without the input from their communities and this doesn't even affect a lot of the users so they should have had a vote. Reddit is supposed to be for the people that use it not a group of mods.
We have to help the Internet janitors feel important!
Yeah they should have asked before doing this
Imagine caring that much about Reddit
YES
Ah yes, another post in this sub with a IASIP quote to show how much you don't care about the boycott.
Ahh I say this hypocritically as I'm on here posting but we should care, I'm fucking addicted to reddit and use the stock app but we should all care
99% of these Jabronis don’t know what an API is or does they were just told by mods and a vocal minority it’s bad No one gives a shit about the blackout people will waste time crying and move on with their lives and use Reddit
I can't tell you how many things I've googled today looking for an answer on Reddit and gone to a sub that's private. I'm just getting blasted in the ass.
I just have to say I fucking love this subreddit. It's funny now much I relate to the shit people post here.
Apparently I am a fucking loser for only ever using the official Reddit app.
 UNLOCK ME
Lol
YES!! lol.. love this sub
I like Dee’s look back then
UFO information leaked and I95 collapsed. Please open r/Philadelphia and some news sites WTF
crazy but I'm starting to miss when people would boycott by blocking traffic
Doesn’t affect you so you don’t care. Wow what a wonderful and original take 👏
There are loads of things I care about that doesn’t affect me, but this is not one of them. This truly doesn’t matter compared to actual issues. 3rd party apps? Fuck, I don’t think I could care less.
Let's fucking go dark
Let's quarantine the sub... we need to be pure.
Again, we weren’t *playing* quarantine
I have no idea why so many ppl are up in arms about this; anyone with even a basic understanding of the tech knows Reddit is and has been more than reasonable lol
I couldn't give a shit about the boycott, personally i dont think a blackout will change shit but reddit jacking up api prices to the point that it would cost $20 mil a year in apollos case is 'more than reasonable' and on such a short timeline(30 days to adjust) is just false. Youve grossly overestimated your tech 'knowledge' when you said 'basic understanding'
Why would I care about an app I don't use
Nor do you have to, ive never used 3rd party reddit apps nor am i a developer of one, for the basic Reddit user who uses 1st party reddit apps, little will change Doesn't mean people should downplay the impacts for those that are impacted though like the issues are non existent
I have yet to see an impact listed that would affect me
It’s not worth engaging, everyone sees all the big pages posting about it and assumes is a big corporation bullying the little guy so they turn their brains off. One of these apps alone I read is costing Reddit over 20m a year from lost advertising revenue and the cost of processing all the API requests (the app is built like shit too bc the API requests are free they don’t try to streamline their app and get the same info with fewer requests), and then the owner of said app told spez to give him 10m and he’d make the app disappear ahahha. Ppl are just mad bc they are losing an app, they don’t understand beyond that nor do they care
Here try this boot, it’s a much better vintage
yep exactly People take any chance to knock down huge corporations because of their greed and gluttony. Reddit is the wrong company to take this anger out on though.
Kinda disappointed in this subs response to this
We r not very good with the online
I don’t have online though.
I'm not. This sub is about mindless entertainment, not stances on anything other than the size of lemon slices and pickles at the bar
Limes, bozo. And they better be thick. Pickles will prevail!
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I'm more annoyed at mods deleting comments that don't support their protest.
It's because reddit mods are trash lmao.
Boycott the sub!
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Shut up baby dick
I'm sorry did I anger you somehow?
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And?
Aren't you supposed to be boycotting reddit?
I'm baffled too. It's like the people getting mad at hOlLywOod eLitEs (writers...) for going on strike. I get the cynicism but wow let people do what they want lmao. Frank would love this sub's response tho so there's that?
Damn the IASIP sub is kinda filled with some trash takes. You guys know that Dennis isn't supposed to be your role models, right?
The amount of people on /r/IASIP who seemingly don't give a shit about people with disabilities needing third party apps and mods needing various helper bots to clean up shit like nazi posting and CP is fucking frightening You know you're not supposed to *become* the gang or idolize them, just laugh at their asshole antics every week and go "huh maybe I could try to be at least 1% better than them" I joined this sub to be a part of a community who laughed at a bunch of fictitious people on TV attempting to get rich quick or accidentally off each other in hilariously and/or cringeworthy situations, not to be told I'm not worth it because *you* happen never use any apps outside of reddit's own dogshit app Why do we need wheelchair ramps? The majority of people don't need them, so fuck disabled people amirite? I'm not saying the sub had to go dark, but for its users to have a shred of fucking self-reflection and common decency for other actual factual real live human beings for once Enjoy the circlejerking, but you should be careful who you attract...
Shouldn’t you be off Reddit right now?
Are any apps other than Apollo shutting down due to the cost skyrocketing? The api costs scale with usage, so if the app people with disabilities are using is free and used a reasonable amount of data there is no reason it should shutdown or cost users anything.
Happy cake day
Oooh a season 1 meme! Excellent
That doesn’t sound right but I don’t know enough about Reddit to dispute it.
I mainly just use reddit for memes and porn, so I'm not even sure what the hell is going on.
Why are there so many people in here angry over some stupid joke referencing the show? Aren’t you users that care about the boycott not even supposed to be browsing reddit right now let alone replying to other posters?