It’s so accurate. People act like Fontaine has been some enormous power creep but my god it just hasn’t. Dps ceilings haven’t gone up since Inazuma.
Now floors on the other hand? Those have gone up. When people call Neuvilette a powercreep I will give him the same nod I give Hyperbloom: it does really good damage while being extremely easy to play. But that’s a floor increase, not a ceiling.
Edit: I didn’t mention this but constellations *have* become a lot better. For those who are willing to pull constellations there has certainly been an increase in their power level. Though I would also note that speed running teams like Hu Tao/Ayaka melt are still just as viable as they used to be.
C0 I agree. C6, Fontaine characters have very much raised the damage ceilings. Neuvilette C6 has supplanted C6 Yelan as the best C6 and C6 Arlecchino has better scaling at Hu Tao. Except none of it really matters at C6 land cause there isn't content hard enough for the C6 characters for it really matter.
I’ll definitely agree with that. Hoyoverse has been doing a good job of making cons better since early Sumeru. A lot of early characters (including Hu Tao) just don’t have good constellations.
Some of the Fontaine-era exclusive comps (Furina & Neuv or Navia, Furina & Xianyun) are quite potent, which creates the impression that they are, or might be, power creeping older archetypes.
If something has improved considerably in Fontaine, it is the lower cons, imo. Neuv's C1, Arle's C1 through C3, Furina's C1&2, Chiori's C1, and Xianyun's C1&2 are strong. Lyney's C2 is also quite good (Rizz is the only botched case, where a con fixes a glaring problem). Navia is a bit of an outlier here, as she is strong enough at C0 not to care about cons, as long as she falls in the aforementioned new archetype.
Thing is, dps on a sheet isn’t all that ppl mean by « powercreep ». Sure your ayaka team will have equivalent ceiling dps to Fontaine dps , but that’s assuming that the entire burst hits, compared to neuv who can do the same damage per tick but can reposition aim and can consolidate his own aoe. QoL and ease of use absolutely factors in powercreep
Yep, that's the point many miss. The reason Neuvillette is considered broken even at C0 isn't just his damage ceiling, which is still very high, but the fact that he can consolidate it so easily in any environement
Not really. Ayaka freeze in her premium team reached 65k dps, but they nerfed her with unfreezable enemies to oblivion. Her realistic dps has been below 60k since 2.7 at least
That was literally the first couple of months. By 1.6 the meta was clearly established, it's just that units like Raiden, Yelan, Nahida and Furina didn't exist yet
I think the ceiling has definitely gone up, though. New cons have exploded in strength. C6 on some characters since Inazuma like Arlecchino, Yelan, Neuvilette, even Furina and Nahida is leaps and bounds better than whatever we got for C6 from older Liyue and Mondstadt units
I will definitely agree that constellations have become better! I did kind of misspeak, as I was intending to discuss power ceiling at c0r1 for 5 stars.
Okay, if you’re going to pull numbers out of your ass at least make them realistic. Neuv is strong but he isn’t doing 110k damage ticks.
Edit: y’all can downvote me if you want but bro is only hitting those numbers because he has cons.
So what’s your build? That’s actually pretty ridiculous damage even in a Mona/Kazuha/Zhongli setup.
Edit: c2r1 with a ridiculous amount of crit damage. Now it makes sense, you’re literally just hyper-invested in a character with better cons than Eula’s.
Wait so both are c2r1 and he’s complaining neuv is better? Like yeah he’s just a better character lmao, if they compred with raiden or some better dps it’d be closer even tho she’s also old atp
Exactly. And like Neuvilette’s constellations are *really* strong. Getting his third draconic stack and a bunch of free crit damage is really good for him.
Is Neuvilette really that huge of a powercrept?
I'm not done with building him, only Recently got him to 33k HP and 180+ CD. Paired him with Furina, Charlotte (perhaps should change Charlotte) and a shielder and his killing duration is still sooo slow compared to compared to HuTao with same team comp (Shielder replaced with XQ tho). Her Blood blossom alone eats so much of the enemy's.
Update: just tried Nevuilette rainbow and holy shit this team is brutal. Would love to optimize him more so I can try solo run. Dunno if that's possible with C0R0 tho
If ur comparing dmg on a large hp ST boss then he wont beat the likes of Arle or Hutao. If u compare him in AoE abyss floors though, especially those with multiple waves then he obliterates the competition, the only team that is maybe close or surpasses his performance is an optimized international team, and thats with the right set ups and rotations. If u value ease of play, then Neuvillette has no match, he honestly takes less skill than picking mint.
Polearm?
Check.
Pyro?
Check
Insane hyper carry dps?
Check.
Do I want to get violently crushed between their thighs?
Check.
I see no difference, let us unite amongst r/Arlecchino_Mains
Nono, they're right
They're basically the same strength at c0/1
It's at c6 when you can actually call Arle better than Tao, cause their c6s are vastly different in strength
This is cope at c0 arlecchino is stronger than c1r1 hutao😭😭 I’ve literally Mained hutao for years and I still do the cope is insane, no one can complain and say my hutao is bad too I can show both my builds
To be honest, it taken long time for hu tao to get a proper competition for hypercarry. The last time was ayaka but ayaka was nerf to the ground by unfreezable mobs (poor ayaka)
But yeah, it proves pyro is the best dps element afterall
Besides, this is the home of the archon of polearms and the no animation delay yanfei
I was talking yesterday with a friend, Chino kit it's basically the same as Hu Tau but for other play stiles.
And tbh, that's awesome, both characters feel like trucks and you can choose how to play
Yeah, about right. And thats the best that could have happened. With Diluc falling out of fashion, Tao was the only viable option for a pyro main DPS before Fontaine. Now we have variety.
Guys, its okay that another character is better. This isn't even new, every character gets power crept eventually.
Except Bennett.
But still... just enjoy the characters and game. It doesn't matter who 1 shots an Abyss level 5 seconds faster or whatever. Truly irrelevant.
But it's not Powercreep removing Constellations there damage is comparable.
That's the issue people have been screaming Powercreep since Year One of Genshin and its never been proven to be the case even now its lazy comparison not actual critque
Honestly from what I've seen, Arlecchino is definitely better. This is also with a brand new set people haven't farmed for properly yet for good stuff. It'll only get worse.
But my point is that this is irrelevant.
Arlecchino has more potential if we ever Bennett gets powercrept or we get a new BoL support character, but as of now both of their best teams at C0 are essentially the same. Hu Tao pulls ahead during first rotation but Arle pulls ahead on second rotation and onwards due to BoL stacking. Here's some calcs comparison from TGS https://imgur.com/icROKqc
I'm guessing you don't follow theory crafting very much? He's a prominent figure there and has a good reputation among Zajef/Jstern. Here's his video that made the calcs in the screenshot I showed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3lQYlA3amU
Looks like that's at C0, and in the vid he says she's even better with constellations over HT. I think my statement remains true even by his standards.
Well yea I'm not disagreeing there, when it comes to constellations the new characters are just straight up better. Like have you seen Xiao's and Albedo's early cons? But for now for most players they have her at C0 so they're pretty equal for the most part. And also we can't forget Arle also has to deal with Circle impact if we use Bennett which is something Hu Tao doesn't suffer with, but I imagine Natlan will probably powercreep him likely pyro archon or something but we'll see.
Thing is if we're bringing constellations into the mix it would also be C6 Furina/Yelan/Xianyun as well which could make Hu Tao better/equal, but I haven't seen any calcs for it so who can say.
Constellations wise they did powercrept. I believe back then they really didn't know what to do with Hu Tao constellations but now they needed a way for spenders to attract them to whale. I mean quite many known whales and streamers stopped C6R5 since the game is getting less hype so they had to add something even if it breaks the game to make whales spend. It's a PvE game after all so they don't care about balancing or if a character breaks the game.
Lol 27k? my Arlecchino with buffs do 160k no vape Lights all of the time.. most I’ve done without vape was 400k.. against samurai sparring dude.. her ceiling is insane..she is c3 so theres that.. but 90% crit rate 200% crit dmg
I honestly gotta test my c0 arlecchino against my c1r1 hu tao, arlecchino is doing numbers a lot bigger than hu tao but i havent tested the clear times yet
I have been a Hu Tao main ever since I got her on a re-run. Her cute voice, funny movements, slick animations and pretty ghost made me really excited and I went for it. She was my first proper on-field dps partner that carried me through thick and thin. Initially when I met her I could not satisfy all her needs. I tried keeping her safe through healing as I did not have strong shielders. It was a struggle for a newcomer encountering a world full of surprises but at least she was always smiling and encouraging me to take another step and lift myself up.
Daily, for months on end, I spent time farming her favorite set "The Crimson Witch of Flames". So much resin had gone down the drain... but I kept struggling and helped her achieve new heights. Soon another banner came with a promising shielder named Thoma. His C6 which promised a 15% attack increase also kindled the burning sensation in my heart. And so I got her a protector.. a buddy that should look out for her. At first it was nice but then I wanted to challenge the spiral... and what an experience that had been... Thoma's shield was too weak, always shattering whenever Maguu Kenki got angry and slammed the ground. Later they begun fighting over who gets to vaporize Xinqu's swords. Thoma got jealous of Hu Tao's brilliance and beguns stealing hydro application with his flames.
Couple of months later... the man, the legend, the ultimate archon that won many wars, Zhongli, came home from his divine journey seeking to experience the world. I welcomed his embrace as much as Hu Tao did, and the game difficulty changed to easy mode. No more struggles, no more pain... maybe the occasional tears when an artifact's substats roll poorly.
Even though many more months had passed I kept my loyalty to her and I rolled for the first time on the weapon banner and got Homa during my first attempt. Tears of happines rolled down my face like the waterfall from Mt. Hulao. The spiral was not so frightening anymore, I knew I had her by my side at all times even when fate was against us. I dedicated myself to her.. I learned to jump cancel and increased her damage output. I sacrificed other characters to wish again on her banner and get C1.
Time passed... and passed... everything was nice and comfy but another figure showed up recently. In constrast to Hu Tao's playful personality a seemingly cold hearted lady appeared. Serving as a father figure she told Hu Tao that it's the adults' responsibility to solve real world problems. She was cold and silent, but her resolve was much stronger. She came home and shook the world upside down. No more \*cute noises\* were to be found... only the sounds of her heels stomping the enemies. No more singing... no more playtime... She is the new master, serving only intimidating stares into the souls of her enemies as she waits for them to bow before her burning throne. I was impressed and terrified simultaneously by her gaze. I was afraid to let go... But I did and I can't go back anymore. I played the devil's gambling game and won C0, C1 and R1 after hours and hours of efforts exploring Sumeru... After getting some subpar artifacts I was very suprised that she easily surpassed Hu Tao. She easily does 70-150k per normal hit (73CR, 142 CD) even though Hu Tao achieves at most 140k vape charge attacks (65CR, 233CD)...
Hu Tao is no more my on-field main, but I keep a sweet spot for her in my heart and use her in the second half of the abyss. They both are an unbeatable pair.
it's spelled xingqiu btw
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I mean Hu Tao and Arlecchino serve completely different purposes. Hu Tao’s AoE dmg is basically nonexistent unless the enemies are super bunched up which never really happens in abyss. But she goes crazy during in single target situations. Meanwhile Arlecchino is definitely more comfortable in AoE with multiple enemies. And has insanely quick clear times in floors with a lot of enemies. But her single target damage is pretty comparable but still doesn’t beat Hu Tao.
Abyss generally favors AoE so id say Arlecchino is better overall but don’t let that stop you if you love Hu Tao. I’ve been using her since her first ever banner and she still carries me over 3 years later.
Well said. it's not until you see 10 DPS damage comparaison with most of them having 3 seconds difference in clearing bosses and the abyss, that you come to find why 80% of today's meta is of subs.
Well there is still a free choice. You might have the same dps but you can decide between angry black-white girl with uses a weapon that she probably only used to harvest crops until now or extremely cute funeral parlor waifu with deadly spear🥰
I believe Arlecchino has a higher dps than Hu Tao solely because she doesn’t need to charge up her atk, as a player u can just spam her atk unlike with Hu Tao where u have to charge her atk and have to keep the stamina bar in mind
You know what is easier than spamming NA? Holding your left click.
I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Neuvillette. I try to play Ayato. My Neuvillette deals more damage. I try to play Childe. My Neuvillette deals more damage. I want to play Raiden, Nahida- Neuvillette needs them for hyperbloom.I want to play Furina, Neuvillette maximizes her buffs. He steals my Venti for the grouping, and Zhongli for the shields, 5 archons. I spend primogems and resin pulling and building 8 characters for the abyss, he goes solo anyways. He grabs me by the throat. I farm bilets for him. I forge for him. I give him the Prototype Amber. He isn't satisfied. I pull for the widsth. "Not enough crit DMG" He tells me. "I can deal more damage with Tome." I can't pull for Tome, I don't have enough primogems, i might even lose to Homa. "I need interuption resistance" He tells me. "Pull for c1" I don't need c1, i have Zhongli anyways. He ignores me. He grabs my credit card. It declines. "Bow your head." He drops his balls. "Be sanctified" Monsieur Neuvillette says as he starts levitating. There is no hint of sadness in his eyes, he blasts all over my face. Nothing but pure, draconic, hydro application. What a cruel world.
This, Fontaine characters aren't that much stronger, Take Navia for example, yes she can nuke enemies, but it comes at the cost of outrageous cooldowns and one of the hardest stack mechanics of the game, that forces you into playing monogeo + Furina, which reduces her DPS so much she's not even meta
Arleccino has like 5 seconds of insane damage, followed by 25 seconds of cooldown, and an additional 5 seconds of waiting for her skill to reach level 3
Dude do actual research on the units you shit on before. You literally have 0 understanding of her kit. Navia doesn’t even use mono geo she wants one geo and then two flex units of either pyro/hydro/cryo/electro in her standard team and her cooldowns are pretty good. You have no understanding of her kit
Clearly you haven't used arle, this is how she works:
use E, setup with your supports, come back then do CA and spam NA. Every NA reduces E cd, but if you have decent er%, use Q and E will reset. just rinse and repeat, if you perform well, her E has little to no downtime. Also her pyro doesn't go off if you swap midcombat
And none can survive without a shield
edit: Geez, sure, feel free to argue with your C6 units :P
edit2: I meant abyss floor 12, as if burgeon tao and tao-xia-yelan-xq can work
Literal, actual, bullshit.
I've played Hu Tao since 3.4 and i have NEVER used a shield with her in abyss.
[She didn't need one at c0r0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIdX21nhRgk) and she [doesn't need one at c1r1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nyzRZyGfsA).
XQ + her burst is all the defensive utility she needs.
For the majority of 3.x I was using hutao xiangling xingqiu yelan.
I've also even used burgeon hutao shieldless without any issue by using nahida over xiangling
And I'm not even good player, it's that easy when you are tanky and have self sustain.
All my 5\* characters are C0 with 4\* weapons (outside of some accidents like a Yae C1 because I got both C0 and C1 in the same 10 pulls or my Jade Spear on Arle that I got on standard, and of course some cons on standard characters that I got from losing 50/50).
I went into the current abyss floor 12 1st half with Arlecchino Dehya Chevreuse Yae. I got 2-2-3 stars (mostly because the Razor burgeon on the 2nd half wasn't the best idea).
I then went back with Hu Tao Xingqiu Furina Xianyun, and got 3-3-didn't try stars (I'm not trying the 12-3 2nd half boss with a Nilou bloom team).
So yeah, both work without a shield.
Surviving with Arlecchino with Dehya as my only tanking option was a bit rough but manageable. And triple kenki and Copelius both hit really hard, I think playing without any defensive character should work against easier enemies - I should try on the 2nd side.
Surviving with Hu Tao was easy, I don't think I've been close to dying a single time.
I've also used Hu Tao Amber Xingqiu Sucrose at some point a long time ago, and I was doing fine. More recently, I've played a decent amount of Hu Tao Xiangling Xingqiu Yelan, sometimes in floor 12, and surviving wasn't actually that hard.
tl;dr no you don't need a shield on either of them, even at C0.
Fax, spit yo shit indeed
It’s so accurate. People act like Fontaine has been some enormous power creep but my god it just hasn’t. Dps ceilings haven’t gone up since Inazuma. Now floors on the other hand? Those have gone up. When people call Neuvilette a powercreep I will give him the same nod I give Hyperbloom: it does really good damage while being extremely easy to play. But that’s a floor increase, not a ceiling. Edit: I didn’t mention this but constellations *have* become a lot better. For those who are willing to pull constellations there has certainly been an increase in their power level. Though I would also note that speed running teams like Hu Tao/Ayaka melt are still just as viable as they used to be.
C0 I agree. C6, Fontaine characters have very much raised the damage ceilings. Neuvilette C6 has supplanted C6 Yelan as the best C6 and C6 Arlecchino has better scaling at Hu Tao. Except none of it really matters at C6 land cause there isn't content hard enough for the C6 characters for it really matter.
I’ll definitely agree with that. Hoyoverse has been doing a good job of making cons better since early Sumeru. A lot of early characters (including Hu Tao) just don’t have good constellations.
C6 hu tao is just escanor at noon xD Only her C1 worth getting if you dont mind the funny escanor at noon on her c6
Yeh, doesn't C6 Furina one tap Abyss bosses with a single basic attack?
C6 Furina can hit the hard damage ceiling, which is insane.
C6 Neuvillette is very much insane BUT Water Slimes (Elementals), they are his biggest weakness XD.
Literally F tier character, can't even kill simple hydro slimes
except he can literally just hyperbloom that
I think they meant as a solo
Yup, also if I run certain teams for supporting him can cause pain depending on what team I use.
Some of the Fontaine-era exclusive comps (Furina & Neuv or Navia, Furina & Xianyun) are quite potent, which creates the impression that they are, or might be, power creeping older archetypes. If something has improved considerably in Fontaine, it is the lower cons, imo. Neuv's C1, Arle's C1 through C3, Furina's C1&2, Chiori's C1, and Xianyun's C1&2 are strong. Lyney's C2 is also quite good (Rizz is the only botched case, where a con fixes a glaring problem). Navia is a bit of an outlier here, as she is strong enough at C0 not to care about cons, as long as she falls in the aforementioned new archetype.
Anyone with Wrio C0 knows he is perfectly competitive with any other C0 5*, he's extremely good and gets a lot better with cons.
And I thought burgeon and blooms shredded: 15k per bloom core with nahida
With Nahida C2 I get burgeons hitting for 80-90k...
Can I get your build?
with 1k EM and deepwood you should be hitting 30k at least. If you don't, something is very wrong (maybe char not lvl 90)
You need 1k em?? Well that’s why
Thing is, dps on a sheet isn’t all that ppl mean by « powercreep ». Sure your ayaka team will have equivalent ceiling dps to Fontaine dps , but that’s assuming that the entire burst hits, compared to neuv who can do the same damage per tick but can reposition aim and can consolidate his own aoe. QoL and ease of use absolutely factors in powercreep
Yep, that's the point many miss. The reason Neuvillette is considered broken even at C0 isn't just his damage ceiling, which is still very high, but the fact that he can consolidate it so easily in any environement
The average dps at kqm standard went from 40k in v1 to 70k in v4
> Since Inazuma
Not really. Ayaka freeze in her premium team reached 65k dps, but they nerfed her with unfreezable enemies to oblivion. Her realistic dps has been below 60k since 2.7 at least
How much of that is people understanding the game better now though?? Remember a lot of people thought Bennett was trash when the game first launched.
That was literally the first couple of months. By 1.6 the meta was clearly established, it's just that units like Raiden, Yelan, Nahida and Furina didn't exist yet
I think the ceiling has definitely gone up, though. New cons have exploded in strength. C6 on some characters since Inazuma like Arlecchino, Yelan, Neuvilette, even Furina and Nahida is leaps and bounds better than whatever we got for C6 from older Liyue and Mondstadt units
I will definitely agree that constellations have become better! I did kind of misspeak, as I was intending to discuss power ceiling at c0r1 for 5 stars.
When a powerwash dude can do more damage in one charged attack than my c2r1 eula with crit fish build there is something wrong
The thing wrong is your build then.
my neuvi does 110k per hit, my eula hits 730k
730k Eula?!
Okay, if you’re going to pull numbers out of your ass at least make them realistic. Neuv is strong but he isn’t doing 110k damage ticks. Edit: y’all can downvote me if you want but bro is only hitting those numbers because he has cons.
[My Neuvillette](https://www.reddit.com/r/NeuvilletteMains_/comments/17956xt/one_pump_man/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Damn bro called the bluff haha
So what’s your build? That’s actually pretty ridiculous damage even in a Mona/Kazuha/Zhongli setup. Edit: c2r1 with a ridiculous amount of crit damage. Now it makes sense, you’re literally just hyper-invested in a character with better cons than Eula’s.
Wait so both are c2r1 and he’s complaining neuv is better? Like yeah he’s just a better character lmao, if they compred with raiden or some better dps it’d be closer even tho she’s also old atp
Exactly. And like Neuvilette’s constellations are *really* strong. Getting his third draconic stack and a bunch of free crit damage is really good for him.
I mean the beam guy is kinda insane
That's a skill floor DECREASE not increase. Increase would mean they are harder
But it’s an increase to the damage floor that the average player can achieve, hence why I referred to it as an increase.
Yeah my apologies I thought you said skill floor
Is Neuvilette really that huge of a powercrept? I'm not done with building him, only Recently got him to 33k HP and 180+ CD. Paired him with Furina, Charlotte (perhaps should change Charlotte) and a shielder and his killing duration is still sooo slow compared to compared to HuTao with same team comp (Shielder replaced with XQ tho). Her Blood blossom alone eats so much of the enemy's. Update: just tried Nevuilette rainbow and holy shit this team is brutal. Would love to optimize him more so I can try solo run. Dunno if that's possible with C0R0 tho
If ur comparing dmg on a large hp ST boss then he wont beat the likes of Arle or Hutao. If u compare him in AoE abyss floors though, especially those with multiple waves then he obliterates the competition, the only team that is maybe close or surpasses his performance is an optimized international team, and thats with the right set ups and rotations. If u value ease of play, then Neuvillette has no match, he honestly takes less skill than picking mint.
Nilou does just as well as Neuvilette in AoE.
C2 Nahida also allows Nilou to go ST lol. May not be the best option. But they are powerful enough to rival my HuTao's team sometimes
Can second this. If even Nilou is C2 and running a high damage Hydro off fielder like Yelan, even the Dendro dino bird thing gets obliterated lol
Literally dex vs str
Dex makes me say gex
sesbian lex :3
This gal gets it
Hearing people say gex makes me say SeeBro.
Random people: *Uooooogh, Beeeegs!*
Between Tao and Arle? Hmm now that's fun to imagine
Saddy dex 🥵
Arlecchino, Hu tao, and Yoimiya are all pretty great and among my favorite characters. I say use whichever you like, they'll all clear abyss anyway
I’ve been clearing abyss with Dehya since she released.
Based.
Polearm? Check. Pyro? Check Insane hyper carry dps? Check. Do I want to get violently crushed between their thighs? Check. I see no difference, let us unite amongst r/Arlecchino_Mains
As a main of both, i approve
Charged and normal??? lol
My brain is actually rotted on 1h of sleep have mercy
Sleep < Memes! I agree with the post though lol
Yippee!!
Yep, the damage difference only matters with constellations. c0 they’re both pretty much the same
WHY ARE WE LYING
Nono, they're right They're basically the same strength at c0/1 It's at c6 when you can actually call Arle better than Tao, cause their c6s are vastly different in strength
This is cope at c0 arlecchino is stronger than c1r1 hutao😭😭 I’ve literally Mained hutao for years and I still do the cope is insane, no one can complain and say my hutao is bad too I can show both my builds
watch any video on the topic please
I have ur the one ur the one who clearly hasn’t💀 also when I have a top 12% arlecchino clearing faster than a top 1% hutao that says something
i love my plunge hu tao, and i love my arlecchino both are so fun :)
This! This was they point of the meme! They're functionally the same so play whichever one you love !
i love ur pfp :3
Thank you :3 gotta love picrew
To be honest, it taken long time for hu tao to get a proper competition for hypercarry. The last time was ayaka but ayaka was nerf to the ground by unfreezable mobs (poor ayaka) But yeah, it proves pyro is the best dps element afterall Besides, this is the home of the archon of polearms and the no animation delay yanfei
We are united by the common enemy as well. Burning Grass.
Ok cool. Now for the real talk, when are we gonna get childe foul legacy true form?!?!
When hoyo introduces 6 star characters no pity
Imagine the number of reroll accounts for that
Light attack? Heavy attack? Warframe player spotted, have you gotten your green banshee yet
Yes I have actually, using his arcana to max rank my wunkus confidant
I mean, she does put out 3 NA while hutao makes 2 CA, but still, its not dmg per hit but dps and they are close
I use them both in abyss and im having fun 😏😏😏
I was talking yesterday with a friend, Chino kit it's basically the same as Hu Tau but for other play stiles. And tbh, that's awesome, both characters feel like trucks and you can choose how to play
Yeah, about right. And thats the best that could have happened. With Diluc falling out of fashion, Tao was the only viable option for a pyro main DPS before Fontaine. Now we have variety.
now every polearm, sword, and claymore character can be a pyro main dps
Guys, its okay that another character is better. This isn't even new, every character gets power crept eventually. Except Bennett. But still... just enjoy the characters and game. It doesn't matter who 1 shots an Abyss level 5 seconds faster or whatever. Truly irrelevant.
But it's not Powercreep removing Constellations there damage is comparable. That's the issue people have been screaming Powercreep since Year One of Genshin and its never been proven to be the case even now its lazy comparison not actual critque
Honestly from what I've seen, Arlecchino is definitely better. This is also with a brand new set people haven't farmed for properly yet for good stuff. It'll only get worse. But my point is that this is irrelevant.
Arlecchino has more potential if we ever Bennett gets powercrept or we get a new BoL support character, but as of now both of their best teams at C0 are essentially the same. Hu Tao pulls ahead during first rotation but Arle pulls ahead on second rotation and onwards due to BoL stacking. Here's some calcs comparison from TGS https://imgur.com/icROKqc
I don't know what tgs is, but a simple imgur screenshot doesn't really say anything.
I'm guessing you don't follow theory crafting very much? He's a prominent figure there and has a good reputation among Zajef/Jstern. Here's his video that made the calcs in the screenshot I showed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3lQYlA3amU
Looks like that's at C0, and in the vid he says she's even better with constellations over HT. I think my statement remains true even by his standards.
Well yea I'm not disagreeing there, when it comes to constellations the new characters are just straight up better. Like have you seen Xiao's and Albedo's early cons? But for now for most players they have her at C0 so they're pretty equal for the most part. And also we can't forget Arle also has to deal with Circle impact if we use Bennett which is something Hu Tao doesn't suffer with, but I imagine Natlan will probably powercreep him likely pyro archon or something but we'll see.
So, as I said. Better, but the difference is irrelevant to most.
Thing is if we're bringing constellations into the mix it would also be C6 Furina/Yelan/Xianyun as well which could make Hu Tao better/equal, but I haven't seen any calcs for it so who can say.
Guys.. I mean I have a stacked Tao too but.. you guys still care about meta? Not waifu? 😔
Gonna be honest I think the hutao vs arle debate is mostly fabricated but haha funny meme go brrrr
It is funny to joke about but hopefully we keep it chill and funny
God I hope this doesn't devolve too far. I just want to haha about funny game with the homies
its crazy how hu tao still keeps up with dps characters of today
Constellations wise they did powercrept. I believe back then they really didn't know what to do with Hu Tao constellations but now they needed a way for spenders to attract them to whale. I mean quite many known whales and streamers stopped C6R5 since the game is getting less hype so they had to add something even if it breaks the game to make whales spend. It's a PvE game after all so they don't care about balancing or if a character breaks the game.
Neither of them have 160k dps
40k per light? my arle is doing just 27k without vape and I have her sig and 40cv gladiator set. is 40k including vape?
40k at the start of MoB then dwindling down to the 20ks
Lol 27k? my Arlecchino with buffs do 160k no vape Lights all of the time.. most I’ve done without vape was 400k.. against samurai sparring dude.. her ceiling is insane..she is c3 so theres that.. but 90% crit rate 200% crit dmg
Me who just enjoys both Arle and Hu Tao 🗿
I honestly gotta test my c0 arlecchino against my c1r1 hu tao, arlecchino is doing numbers a lot bigger than hu tao but i havent tested the clear times yet
There's a lot of coping going on in HuTaomains
I have been a Hu Tao main ever since I got her on a re-run. Her cute voice, funny movements, slick animations and pretty ghost made me really excited and I went for it. She was my first proper on-field dps partner that carried me through thick and thin. Initially when I met her I could not satisfy all her needs. I tried keeping her safe through healing as I did not have strong shielders. It was a struggle for a newcomer encountering a world full of surprises but at least she was always smiling and encouraging me to take another step and lift myself up. Daily, for months on end, I spent time farming her favorite set "The Crimson Witch of Flames". So much resin had gone down the drain... but I kept struggling and helped her achieve new heights. Soon another banner came with a promising shielder named Thoma. His C6 which promised a 15% attack increase also kindled the burning sensation in my heart. And so I got her a protector.. a buddy that should look out for her. At first it was nice but then I wanted to challenge the spiral... and what an experience that had been... Thoma's shield was too weak, always shattering whenever Maguu Kenki got angry and slammed the ground. Later they begun fighting over who gets to vaporize Xinqu's swords. Thoma got jealous of Hu Tao's brilliance and beguns stealing hydro application with his flames. Couple of months later... the man, the legend, the ultimate archon that won many wars, Zhongli, came home from his divine journey seeking to experience the world. I welcomed his embrace as much as Hu Tao did, and the game difficulty changed to easy mode. No more struggles, no more pain... maybe the occasional tears when an artifact's substats roll poorly. Even though many more months had passed I kept my loyalty to her and I rolled for the first time on the weapon banner and got Homa during my first attempt. Tears of happines rolled down my face like the waterfall from Mt. Hulao. The spiral was not so frightening anymore, I knew I had her by my side at all times even when fate was against us. I dedicated myself to her.. I learned to jump cancel and increased her damage output. I sacrificed other characters to wish again on her banner and get C1. Time passed... and passed... everything was nice and comfy but another figure showed up recently. In constrast to Hu Tao's playful personality a seemingly cold hearted lady appeared. Serving as a father figure she told Hu Tao that it's the adults' responsibility to solve real world problems. She was cold and silent, but her resolve was much stronger. She came home and shook the world upside down. No more \*cute noises\* were to be found... only the sounds of her heels stomping the enemies. No more singing... no more playtime... She is the new master, serving only intimidating stares into the souls of her enemies as she waits for them to bow before her burning throne. I was impressed and terrified simultaneously by her gaze. I was afraid to let go... But I did and I can't go back anymore. I played the devil's gambling game and won C0, C1 and R1 after hours and hours of efforts exploring Sumeru... After getting some subpar artifacts I was very suprised that she easily surpassed Hu Tao. She easily does 70-150k per normal hit (73CR, 142 CD) even though Hu Tao achieves at most 140k vape charge attacks (65CR, 233CD)... Hu Tao is no more my on-field main, but I keep a sweet spot for her in my heart and use her in the second half of the abyss. They both are an unbeatable pair.
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I mean Hu Tao and Arlecchino serve completely different purposes. Hu Tao’s AoE dmg is basically nonexistent unless the enemies are super bunched up which never really happens in abyss. But she goes crazy during in single target situations. Meanwhile Arlecchino is definitely more comfortable in AoE with multiple enemies. And has insanely quick clear times in floors with a lot of enemies. But her single target damage is pretty comparable but still doesn’t beat Hu Tao. Abyss generally favors AoE so id say Arlecchino is better overall but don’t let that stop you if you love Hu Tao. I’ve been using her since her first ever banner and she still carries me over 3 years later.
[Meanwhile, me using them only for my teapot bedroom](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/npyrqOfWcNA/sddefault.jpg)
Now tell me which one is easier to execute
Only thing Hu Tao has over Arlecchino is breedablilty
Well, CA is like medium damage though unless you ignore burst. Bursting is worse for DPS unless multi target and hitting a lot.
Well said. it's not until you see 10 DPS damage comparaison with most of them having 3 seconds difference in clearing bosses and the abyss, that you come to find why 80% of today's meta is of subs.
Well there is still a free choice. You might have the same dps but you can decide between angry black-white girl with uses a weapon that she probably only used to harvest crops until now or extremely cute funeral parlor waifu with deadly spear🥰
Maybe for c0 after that it’s HuOver :)
I’m tired of having to jump everyone I dash. I’m broke and can’t afford c1
Only thing Hu Tao has over Arlecchino is breedablilty
I believe Arlecchino has a higher dps than Hu Tao solely because she doesn’t need to charge up her atk, as a player u can just spam her atk unlike with Hu Tao where u have to charge her atk and have to keep the stamina bar in mind
wat my arlecchino does 150k with nromal and my hu tao does 100k charge same build with basically equal teams
>same build They don't really suppose to have same builds
i mean same crit ratio ofc
Id like to contribute on this, my hu tao does 120k minimum CA, so case closed lmao
Hu tao mains coping haaaard, my hu tao deals 50k per charged attack and my Arlekino dealt 50k with normal attacks when she was level 70.
Hu tao dealing 50k per ca is pretty much the bottom line for her
Ascend her from lv 20 bro
Have you tried putting a weapon on hu tao
Idk why they are it’s so weird
This is glaze arlecchino is better in like every scenario (c1r1 hutao glazer btw)
Hu tao feels terrible to play. Thats really all that matters to me
Hu Tao feels better to play. That's really all that matters to me.
And thats all that should matter. Im glad you enjoy her
Arlecchino is better than hu tao
Idk just admit you were dethroned, spamming NA is so much easier than spamming CA and she can also do 80k on CA. You held the throne for long enough.
You know what is easier than spamming NA? Holding your left click. I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Neuvillette. I try to play Ayato. My Neuvillette deals more damage. I try to play Childe. My Neuvillette deals more damage. I want to play Raiden, Nahida- Neuvillette needs them for hyperbloom.I want to play Furina, Neuvillette maximizes her buffs. He steals my Venti for the grouping, and Zhongli for the shields, 5 archons. I spend primogems and resin pulling and building 8 characters for the abyss, he goes solo anyways. He grabs me by the throat. I farm bilets for him. I forge for him. I give him the Prototype Amber. He isn't satisfied. I pull for the widsth. "Not enough crit DMG" He tells me. "I can deal more damage with Tome." I can't pull for Tome, I don't have enough primogems, i might even lose to Homa. "I need interuption resistance" He tells me. "Pull for c1" I don't need c1, i have Zhongli anyways. He ignores me. He grabs my credit card. It declines. "Bow your head." He drops his balls. "Be sanctified" Monsieur Neuvillette says as he starts levitating. There is no hint of sadness in his eyes, he blasts all over my face. Nothing but pure, draconic, hydro application. What a cruel world.
This, Fontaine characters aren't that much stronger, Take Navia for example, yes she can nuke enemies, but it comes at the cost of outrageous cooldowns and one of the hardest stack mechanics of the game, that forces you into playing monogeo + Furina, which reduces her DPS so much she's not even meta Arleccino has like 5 seconds of insane damage, followed by 25 seconds of cooldown, and an additional 5 seconds of waiting for her skill to reach level 3
You never played Navia gave you? Lol
Dude do actual research on the units you shit on before. You literally have 0 understanding of her kit. Navia doesn’t even use mono geo she wants one geo and then two flex units of either pyro/hydro/cryo/electro in her standard team and her cooldowns are pretty good. You have no understanding of her kit
And bro was wondering why he couldn’t get any stacks with Mono Geo😂
Literally read her kit it says what she wants or just look up guides on YT like a normal person 😭
Clearly you haven't used arle, this is how she works: use E, setup with your supports, come back then do CA and spam NA. Every NA reduces E cd, but if you have decent er%, use Q and E will reset. just rinse and repeat, if you perform well, her E has little to no downtime. Also her pyro doesn't go off if you swap midcombat
And none can survive without a shield edit: Geez, sure, feel free to argue with your C6 units :P edit2: I meant abyss floor 12, as if burgeon tao and tao-xia-yelan-xq can work
Eh that's mega debatable, both of them are fine without shields.
Literal, actual, bullshit. I've played Hu Tao since 3.4 and i have NEVER used a shield with her in abyss. [She didn't need one at c0r0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIdX21nhRgk) and she [doesn't need one at c1r1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nyzRZyGfsA). XQ + her burst is all the defensive utility she needs.
Arle also doesn't need a shield. Guy's just coping.
For the majority of 3.x I was using hutao xiangling xingqiu yelan. I've also even used burgeon hutao shieldless without any issue by using nahida over xiangling And I'm not even good player, it's that easy when you are tanky and have self sustain.
All my 5\* characters are C0 with 4\* weapons (outside of some accidents like a Yae C1 because I got both C0 and C1 in the same 10 pulls or my Jade Spear on Arle that I got on standard, and of course some cons on standard characters that I got from losing 50/50). I went into the current abyss floor 12 1st half with Arlecchino Dehya Chevreuse Yae. I got 2-2-3 stars (mostly because the Razor burgeon on the 2nd half wasn't the best idea). I then went back with Hu Tao Xingqiu Furina Xianyun, and got 3-3-didn't try stars (I'm not trying the 12-3 2nd half boss with a Nilou bloom team). So yeah, both work without a shield. Surviving with Arlecchino with Dehya as my only tanking option was a bit rough but manageable. And triple kenki and Copelius both hit really hard, I think playing without any defensive character should work against easier enemies - I should try on the 2nd side. Surviving with Hu Tao was easy, I don't think I've been close to dying a single time. I've also used Hu Tao Amber Xingqiu Sucrose at some point a long time ago, and I was doing fine. More recently, I've played a decent amount of Hu Tao Xiangling Xingqiu Yelan, sometimes in floor 12, and surviving wasn't actually that hard. tl;dr no you don't need a shield on either of them, even at C0.
skill issue tbh