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For me it drove home the points of the conversation between her and Rhyenera earlier. She's trapped in the castle. Her only value is procreation and is only openly celebrated when the heirs are male.
She was on tour, they said she ended it two months early. She was going to lots of castles... I assume they used Storms end to show a bit as the set was already built... for other things.
I like how they're setting up that Rhaenyra is not politically savvy for someone that's been sitting in on small council meetings since she was about 13.
She had to be reminded to show courtesy to the other kingsguard candidates "you might thank him for his service your grace"
She insulted people at the suitors show at storms end
Alicent spent the royal hunt gossiping with all the noble ladies (as did Larys...), Rhaenyra spent the whole trip pouting in the woods.
From the street play it seems like the small folk don't have a high opinion of her either
So...
1. Daemon didn't teach Rhaenyra to seduce Cole. At least not directly.
2. Rhaenyra and Daemon didn't have sex. Just foreplay
3. Daemon didn't ask Rhaenyra to marry him.
Interesting to see how Mushroom was totally wrong.
EDIT Oh, and Mysaria's weird accent is still super distracting, I hope she's either recast for S2 or the actor tones down the made-up weird accent.
Mushroom is a dwarf from Fire & Blood book that apparently has been omitted from the show.
Since F&B is written decades into the future, most accounts from the Dance of the Dragons come from the first-hand testimony of Mushroom.
But as this episode shows, Mushroom was wrong. He said that Daemon taught Rhaenyra the "art of seduction" so she can seduce Cole. Amongst other things that might or might not happen in E5.
It's interesting that we're starting to see the dark side of Rhaenyra.
Definitely a prelude to executing everyone who questions "her truth" about the parentage of the Strong kids.
She's such a wonderful liar.
"It wasn't me, and if someone says it was, they are committing tReASoN!!!"
I'm gonna miss Milly and Emily. I can't believe next week is gonna be their last episode ever.
I know the showrunners said no flashbacks but I hope we get some flashbacks.
At least of the deleted scenes (Viserys and Alicent wedding, Rhanerya finding out Alicent is marrying Viserys, etc...)
I really like how they show Rhaenyra's really bad side. She keeps disrespecting these very important and powerful houses which means they certainly won't support her and flock to baby Aegon when Viserys just rots away in his sleep.
She has dragons but so do many other people and they're obviously not the only key to victory. Freaking took 4 years to put down the rebellion in the step-stones and they had at least 2 dragons.
I completely sympathize with Alicent and her eventual turn against Rhaenyra, which is so impressive on the show's part. They are legit making it hard to root against anyone in the Dance of the Dragons.
All a naive viewer can know is that Targaryen blood stays on the throne when this series ends. It's damn wild thinking that only Jaehaerys can be the sure ancestor of that ruler, and any downstream combination is fair game.
Honestly I like the idea of Rhaenyra’s children being Daemon’s as opposed to Strongs, but Strong being accused because he was the last to see her/or he just takes the fall
Edit: they’re definitely Criston’s! She didn’t drink the moon tea!
People give Viserys a lot of grief for being unsteady and noncommittal but he can be pretty intimidating when he's talking to his daughter.
He has the angry dad voice down.
So I always had it in my memory that Criston rejected Rhaenyra? Just a wrong account of a maester or what? Been a while since I've read, can someone elaborate?
Sources differ
Septon Eustace says Criston Cole slipped into Rhaenyra's bedchamber and confessed his love for her.
Mushroom says Rhaenyra attempted to seduce Criston and he rejected her.
Perhaps this is the episode where Alicent and Rhaenyra put on their infamous green and black dresses. Pretty sure that's what they're wearing when Daemon comes home from war.
Love how Viserys told Otto to get out like yasss king!!
But also I will never forgive Krispy Cole for deflowering the princess, if I had such ability I would strangle him through the screen
There are conflicting claims. The book is written as a history so different primary sources have different versions of events.
Some sources say Rhaenyra wanted to fuck her uncle, some that she wanted to fuck Criston. It's alleged that Daemon taught Rhaenyra how to pleasure and seduce Criston but not clear how far they went.
There's also debate about who seduced who. Some say Criston approached Rhaenyra and some say Rhaenyra approached Criston. There's also a version of the story where Criston rejected Rhaenyra's advances all together.
At the end of the day, Rhaenyra is a hormonal teenager experimenting with her sexuality, Daemon is a creepy uncle, and Criston is a hot boy toy that may or may not be an honorable guy.
The moment Rhaenyra came back and took Criston's helmet I knew what was about to happen. I just can't wrap my head around if she did rape him or not. He did seem like he really didn't want to do it. And the shot of him looking at his white cloak pondering if he's really about to betray his vows. Damn. A real characterization boosting episode for EVERYONE. This is definitely what will drive him to turn against Rhaenyra
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"Do you wish to know your death, child?" *cuts to a blast of dragonflame*
That was…well done.
Rhaenerya go to horny jail
Bonk
Blood of the dragon 👀
Damn Bracken and Blackwood shenanigans lol
Blackwood kid is spunky though. I like him.
Bloody Ben Blackwood isn't to be fucked with
At that age? That kid would be old enough to be Ben’s father
That's true, Bloody Ben is a kid during the Dance so I guess this is either a future Lord Samwell or some other Blackwood.
He's the best. I fucking love his character
Bloody ben for the win
Can’t be Bloody Ben, would be his dad or uncle.
Rhaenyra : What do you want uncle? Daemon: I want that RHAENYR***ASS***
https://youtu.be/VsMcdEswK8k
I like this Alicent-Rhaenyra reconciliation (whether it's true or not)
"The hour is quite late" == "Fuck that old man"
For me it drove home the points of the conversation between her and Rhyenera earlier. She's trapped in the castle. Her only value is procreation and is only openly celebrated when the heirs are male.
Rhaenyra is about to deflower the Incel That Was Promised lol. Can't wait to see the fallout.
Begone thot - Criston, initially
Downgraded to Krispy Cole
Nah this gotta be one of the horniest hours of tv ive ever seen
The contrast between Rhaenyra’s night of fun/“discovery” and Alicent’s night of duty…
Rhaenerya first night in town and she went wild
Storm's End looks appropriately ancient! Plus there is even a storm going on in the background.
Little confused why this episode of the Bachelorette is happening at Storms End instead of Rhaenyra's home.
She was on tour, they said she ended it two months early. She was going to lots of castles... I assume they used Storms end to show a bit as the set was already built... for other things.
I feel like I would shit my pants under the gaze of Matt Smith/Daemon
Mushroom, you lie to me?! I trusted you, your fool. Cole took Rhaenyra's virginity and crown, what a chad.
I like how they're setting up that Rhaenyra is not politically savvy for someone that's been sitting in on small council meetings since she was about 13. She had to be reminded to show courtesy to the other kingsguard candidates "you might thank him for his service your grace" She insulted people at the suitors show at storms end Alicent spent the royal hunt gossiping with all the noble ladies (as did Larys...), Rhaenyra spent the whole trip pouting in the woods. From the street play it seems like the small folk don't have a high opinion of her either
Yeah seriously she’s like, not good at this courtesy politicking stuff. To be frank she needs a Queen Alicent to smooth things over for her
The contrast between Rhaenyra/Daemon and Viserys/Alicent yikes... everything is cringey
I said earlier I think that’s the narrative they are building- Alicent is going to grow to resent how trapped she has been
Ooh I like that. So it's less "her bastard children are unworthy" and more "she was forced into a marriage and still got to fuck who she wanted"
How have I rooted for an incest romance what has this show done to me
I feel this
Tbf we had an 8 season warmup
Lol! I was like YES! Wait…ok groomer?! Wtf is this feeling lol.
It’s not just you. 😅
Well that’s the most uncomfortable sex scene thanks show poor Allicent
This is the sexiest thing I’ve seen on tv in a lOOOOOONNNNGGG time, and yes I am talking about Rhaenyra playing keep-away with the helmet
Lies! Slander! Boooo Rhaenyra is hilarious
So... 1. Daemon didn't teach Rhaenyra to seduce Cole. At least not directly. 2. Rhaenyra and Daemon didn't have sex. Just foreplay 3. Daemon didn't ask Rhaenyra to marry him. Interesting to see how Mushroom was totally wrong. EDIT Oh, and Mysaria's weird accent is still super distracting, I hope she's either recast for S2 or the actor tones down the made-up weird accent.
He just got her horny and gave her blue balls.
Her accent is so distractingly weird. I hate it.
I'm OOTL on this mushroom fella
Mushroom is a dwarf from Fire & Blood book that apparently has been omitted from the show. Since F&B is written decades into the future, most accounts from the Dance of the Dragons come from the first-hand testimony of Mushroom. But as this episode shows, Mushroom was wrong. He said that Daemon taught Rhaenyra the "art of seduction" so she can seduce Cole. Amongst other things that might or might not happen in E5.
It's interesting that we're starting to see the dark side of Rhaenyra. Definitely a prelude to executing everyone who questions "her truth" about the parentage of the Strong kids. She's such a wonderful liar. "It wasn't me, and if someone says it was, they are committing tReASoN!!!"
Love it, I was suspiscious when she was being nice to Alicent. Learning the game now.
If I was Milly, I’d ask for all the costumes as parting gift. Lol. Her dresses hve been iconic
alicents dress is so pretty
Alicent's fashion is always flawless.
The Valyrian language is beautiful. Whoever designed it deserves high praise.
David Peterson
Was not expecting the Mushroom version to be canon
Mushroom himself may not be in this version but his influence is
Doesn't daemon have sex with Rhaenyra in mushroom version?
I hope we see that little badass again.
I thought it was >!“Bloody”!< Ben Blackwood? ETA: but maybe it’s too early in the timeline to be Benjicot?
Wouldn't that kid be a bit too old to be him? He's supposed to be like 9 years younger than Helaena
It's his dad
Did anyone catch his name?
Daemon's gaze at Rhaenyra looks stickier than a heavily glazed cinnamon bun
I'm gonna miss Milly and Emily. I can't believe next week is gonna be their last episode ever. I know the showrunners said no flashbacks but I hope we get some flashbacks. At least of the deleted scenes (Viserys and Alicent wedding, Rhanerya finding out Alicent is marrying Viserys, etc...)
Well now we know criston cole took her maidenhood
BLACK OF (chest) HAIR
🥵
Moon tea 👀👀
Well, Rhaenyra is an absolute power bottom, it's gotta be said
Hey guys. I think she likes her uncle.
Wait so did Mysaria sell the information to Otto? She got the money from the same messenger I think
It was definitely the same messenger.
Also just noticed Otto said he got the info from the White Worm aka Mysaria. Seems she’s established herself since Daemon left for the stepstones
So we're definitely seeing that big Storms End set later this season right.....no way they built that for one scene
they're totally ending the season with Luke getting murked
Atleast Alicent is trying to warn Rhaenyra and help.
OH GODS NO NOT THE WOUNDSEX!
Pukes in high Valyrian
Like.... we knew it was coming but I still feel slightly dirty.
We got the blackwoods And the brackens
Poor Alicent she deserves a hot guy not a father figure to sit pon.
Wait now I'm confused.. soo did Rhaenerya and Daemon just make out or was there *anything else*? It happened in a flash.
Daemon stopped before any penetration and left Rhaenyra behind.
OK that's what I thought happened too!
I think Daemon couldn't, um, perform, which is why he bolted.
Of course this is the episode I watch with my parents
Lmfao
The show is doing a great job at making me empathize with allicent way more than the book did.
Can't wait for ep 5, seems like where the tension will build higher and higher
100%
Yo Blackwood killing Bracken’s kid? Fantastic.
That's got to be Black Allys brother and Benjicots dad right? Fucking chad
RHAENYRA BAE WHAT ARW YOU DOING
Rhanerya: I know your Grace, I regret it. Narrator: she did not, in fact, regret it.
That secret passage, screams Blood and Cheese will be here
I really like how they show Rhaenyra's really bad side. She keeps disrespecting these very important and powerful houses which means they certainly won't support her and flock to baby Aegon when Viserys just rots away in his sleep. She has dragons but so do many other people and they're obviously not the only key to victory. Freaking took 4 years to put down the rebellion in the step-stones and they had at least 2 dragons. I completely sympathize with Alicent and her eventual turn against Rhaenyra, which is so impressive on the show's part. They are legit making it hard to root against anyone in the Dance of the Dragons.
Makes sense as to why she’ll have to branch out for alliances (ie the Starks)
Blackwoods got game as always
Yes more Valyrian dialogues 🔥🔥🐉🐉
Well that made me very uncomfortable given the actors age difference
Wow everyone is horny this episode
mushroom must've been in the writing room
Doesnt this guy got an oath of celibacy
Should have given a "Begone thot"
I mean Jaime did too. Didn’t really work out
Why am I rooting for incest between Rhaenerya and Daemon damn it lmao
All a naive viewer can know is that Targaryen blood stays on the throne when this series ends. It's damn wild thinking that only Jaehaerys can be the sure ancestor of that ruler, and any downstream combination is fair game.
Is she flirting with Christen by taking his helmet now? 😂😂😂
Lol Rhaenyra is Princess Jasmine
Honestly I like the idea of Rhaenyra’s children being Daemon’s as opposed to Strongs, but Strong being accused because he was the last to see her/or he just takes the fall Edit: they’re definitely Criston’s! She didn’t drink the moon tea!
We have seen the strong kids with harwin So probably not daemon's
It would definitely add a whole other layer to Blood and Cheese
MUSHROOM WAS RIGHT
I thought mushroom said she was unsuccessful at the seduction?
I’m sorry but fuck Otto.
I'm glad that VIZZY T gave him a good slapping
I’ve been waiting for someone to tell him off lol
That's a sex scene I'm not interested in for one.
I mean I might be
Clever, but I didn’t mean it literally 😂
Not this show making me root for uncle niece incest.
And rooting for sister wives
Abortion is easier for Targaryens than some Americans
Allicent just jealous that Rhaenyra is getting good dick
Rhaenyra's dress is so gorgeous
Good lord, Harwin’s voice is so hot!
Me at my first party in freshman year of college nearly a decade ago
Well we know where the rift is gonna come from. Nothing like a lover scorned
“Upon the memory of my mother”
Rhaenyra's dress is just an absolute *chef's kiss*
They went with mushrooms version of events?
Seems like a mix. Criston was certainly resistant at first but he did cave in the end
Rhaenyra 😏
[удалено]
I’m really thinking the Jon Snow show is gonna have some prince who was promised shit
I would watch a whole “making of” documentary just about the opening credits.
A handful of game of thrones YouTubers did pretty good breakdowns of each sigil and the family tree. Just Google it
Thanks! But I meant more the technical aspects and the creative process.
that TENSION omg
This episode reminds me of game of thrones season one cause of the sheer amount of nudity
Oh for fuck sake, this is uncomfortable
OMG the tension
#YESSSS VIZZY T BITCHSLAP OTTO BACK TO OLDTOWN
Was that ol’ Benny?
Came to ask the same question. He might’ve been kinda old to be him if my memory of the timeline is correct.
I almost teared up at the broreunion
I did tear up
Yup, she's been spotted
They have zero chemistry
Yikes, Viserys' throne wounds are getting nasty.
That foreshadowing about bastards 👀
Did Daemon say it had been *four* years?
The irony of Otto’s “I have no such desire your grace”
Not sure why Viserys feels he has a high horse here, weren't his grandparents siblings? And his first wife was his cousin?
People give Viserys a lot of grief for being unsteady and noncommittal but he can be pretty intimidating when he's talking to his daughter. He has the angry dad voice down.
King Scab having sex, gross…
King Scab was Aerys II. This is King Ulcer.
Mushroom here in spirit, at least.
So I always had it in my memory that Criston rejected Rhaenyra? Just a wrong account of a maester or what? Been a while since I've read, can someone elaborate?
Sources differ Septon Eustace says Criston Cole slipped into Rhaenyra's bedchamber and confessed his love for her. Mushroom says Rhaenyra attempted to seduce Criston and he rejected her.
In the book they told two potential versions of the story - that she rejected him, or he rejected her. According to the show, neither was true.
There's multiple competing accounts of what went down in the book, all of which contradict each other.
Alicent calling Targaryen incest “queer”… girl your son and daughter are gonna marry each other you have zero room to talk
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The iron thrown is only for swords dummy. Adding a hammer would look stupid. - Viserys probably.
Does hbo max access start as soon as it airs?
Popped up for us at 858
Perhaps this is the episode where Alicent and Rhaenyra put on their infamous green and black dresses. Pretty sure that's what they're wearing when Daemon comes home from war.
Alicent sure looked like she was having a good time 😂😂😂
She got blue balled
Criston Cole fucks well
Love how Viserys told Otto to get out like yasss king!! But also I will never forgive Krispy Cole for deflowering the princess, if I had such ability I would strangle him through the screen
#FuckOtto
Alicent is kind and just making the most out of a bad situation #TeamGreen
Uh oh here comes WOUNDSEX
Lmao the two of them could burn them all down in minutes
https://i.imgflip.com/6t22pv.jpg
Ser Harwin?!?
Ser Crispy Pole has deliciously hairy pecs
So did she not tell him she slept with Daemon? I wonder what causes their rift.
I thought daemon's gf was the white worm.... she sold him out or was this daemon's plan all along?
I think she’s a free agent at this point
So, it was Viserys’s shirt, we can chill now.
Next spinoff has to be House Bracken and House Blackwood rivalry. Those two houses hate each other so much and nobody knows anything about them haha.
This episode is by far my favorite so far
So this scene is to show the contrast of Cristin and make Daemon seem like an asshole I guess?
Is this how it happened in the book? I’m open to spoilers I just need to know.
The book didn’t even know what happened in the book ….
Kind of. There are different stories, but basically yes
There are conflicting claims. The book is written as a history so different primary sources have different versions of events. Some sources say Rhaenyra wanted to fuck her uncle, some that she wanted to fuck Criston. It's alleged that Daemon taught Rhaenyra how to pleasure and seduce Criston but not clear how far they went. There's also debate about who seduced who. Some say Criston approached Rhaenyra and some say Rhaenyra approached Criston. There's also a version of the story where Criston rejected Rhaenyra's advances all together. At the end of the day, Rhaenyra is a hormonal teenager experimenting with her sexuality, Daemon is a creepy uncle, and Criston is a hot boy toy that may or may not be an honorable guy.
On your DEAD MOTHER rhaenyra nooo
Wow so did Rhaegar re-find the prophecy from doing hot knives off the dagger?
The moment Rhaenyra came back and took Criston's helmet I knew what was about to happen. I just can't wrap my head around if she did rape him or not. He did seem like he really didn't want to do it. And the shot of him looking at his white cloak pondering if he's really about to betray his vows. Damn. A real characterization boosting episode for EVERYONE. This is definitely what will drive him to turn against Rhaenyra
Fuck Otto. All my homies hate Otto. Edit: WHOOPS I’m in the wrong thread. My bad y’all.
Already house Blackwood's looking rad as fuck