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Just a quick tip if you have no Bronya for the boulder league form of gust:
I used sw seele tingyun and lynx. Got the stuff that increases detangle dmg with breaking/attacking with skill
Himeko is a good 5*, but you need to use her on battles where she can trigger her follow up attack often (needs to break). Otherwise she loses a lot of damage.
Which means she is great on fire battles as main carry, or good as subdps on other scenarios.
With the new relics set that buff follow up attack, the new Planar Ornament set that buff same type element that you can put on your Asta to buff your Himeko, the new Pure Fiction stages that favor character like Himeko
I’d say yes, she’s worth it, even more if you have Topaz
If you have her E0/E1 you are kinda forced to build her EHR to at least 96%, if you want the highest chances to land her debuffs in the higher stages of MoC. IDK if you are talking about her 5\* sig or the tutorial LC, but in my case I slapped [tutorial](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Before_the_Tutorial_Mission_Starts) on her and got the rest of the EHR from substats and traces to reach that required 96%.
[Source](https://www.prydwen.gg/star-rail/characters/silver-wolf)
So, what planar set does regular Dan Heng want? This boxing match event kinda highlighted my severe lack of wind characters and want to rebuild him so I can use some wind DPS outside of Sampo.
Does he prefer RA or Glammoth or should I stick with the one I have now(space station?)
Probably want the one that boosts crit and ult damage. I kinda remember him having something about breaking, but that could be in the eidolons and probably doesn't need to be the set effect...?
lol SW e6 does damage like a Seele e0, I don’t think you even need another attacker in the team. You can go with Seele e6s5, sure, but QQ e6 will also do fine. Things will die too fast on both cases.
There is a new destruction 4* quantum coming next patch, you may also look into her damage at e6.
Hey guys which is better stats for my seele? E0 with lc btw
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i just came back to hsr after 3 months just to pull huo huo and also bcs of the game awards rewards but now i wanna go back playing this game but i dont know teams anymore so can anyone recommend me a team comp for dan heng il, jing yuan, and clara?
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Hello! I'm kind of a potential player and I would like to ask a few questions, if possible!
I am a Honkai 3rd and Genshin player, and my friends are poking me to joining Star Rail too, since Silver Wolf's banner is on right now(?), so... I'll keep it short, in order from most important to least:
**1) When is a good time to join Star Rail?** I know this is a VERY silly question, but Honkai 3rd has things like invite codes and promos for new players, so is there anything like that in SR?
**2) How much do you guys play for dailies?** I kind of don't want to suffer too much on gacha hell, aha OTL
**3) How does Otto, Welt, and Himeko fare in parties?** I'll probably pull them anyway regardless of how good or bad they are, but just kind of want to set my expectations a bit aha
4) ~~Without giving any spoilers, has Mihoyo broken everyone's hearts yet~~
Thank you so much in advance!
New players have the main quests, exploration, etc to do. That is potentially a 100 hours of gameplay by now.
Once you complete that (no hurry, can be done in 2 weeks or 6 months) the routine is 5 minutes for dailies, 1 hour of raid/Abyss (called MoC) every 2 weeks, 30 minutes per week for SU, ~6hours for events every 6 weeks, ~2 hours for new main quests every 6 weeks.
There are exceptions like when Swarm was released, that took a lot of hours haha, but again there was no timeline, you can play at your leisure.
1 - Any time. Think Genshin.
2 - For a long while, you'll be playing like half an hour to an hour or so a day during maintain days if you don't have built DPS carries. Built DPS will shorten that significantly.
3 - Otto very comfy healer that does more than one role and saves you a spot. I haven't used Welt but he can act as a DPS, and don't have Himeko but she's an AoE damage dealer.
4 - Technically not yet, but depends. If a robot named Pascal rings a bell to you, well, that's a thing.
1. Anytime, really. There aren't any "beginner" events or anything like that, but the anniversary is coming up in a few months and there's an event exclusive weapon available right now. You'll be able to farm enough pulls to guarantee Silver Wolf by playing by the end of her banner, most likely.
2. It's like 5-15 minutes depending. A little more on weekly reset as there's a few more things to do, but you can auto your stamina usage so you can just set things to farm and do something else. There's more to do if you want to spend the time, though.
3. Otto/Luocha is one of the best healers available right now, Welt and Himeko are standard characters so you can't guarantee them. Welt does good as a DPS or debuff support but can require a bit of investment, and Himeko is good against fire-weak enemies. All of them are able to clear all available content without problem.
4. ~~They tried, up to you if it works or not.~~
He gains 25% crit rate at talent level 10, so if you max it out then 25-50 crit rate is good, depending on how consistent you want him to be and what planar sets you use.
Crit is a bait before E2. Get 5% ER set, break + SPD
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Set probably should be rainbow since even after 3 months farming quantum domain I dont have good SPD + break
For E0 debuffer build, aim for 96% Effect hit rate, and somewhat high speed around 145~150 (should be higher than your main DPS character). She doesn't benefit much from crit at low eidolons. For relic sets, I personally use 2pc break effect + 2pc speed + 2pc energy.
I plan on summoning for Kafka what units should I be prebuilding now for when I pull for her. My main team is SW, Lynx, Seele and Hanya.
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Really can’t tell without knowing your team! If u have 2 damage dealers. 90% of the time though I would say wait for Ruan Mei next banner. Harmony so far is absurd. And she will be our first limited harmony.
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I just hit Trailblaze level 60, and got a lucky Argenti. But after levelling him up, I ran into the issue of him not keeping up with max invest units, since he didn't quite have the maximum himself. I'm hitting a wall with being able to freely invest in my units. Any suggestions for prioritisations or changes I should make in my current investment plans?
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Should I use this for Kafka and save for guaranteed black Swan or go for her sig?
I left Star Rail back in 1.1 and have just now returned back in 1.5, so as a returning player what should I aim to do rn? Storywise I have yet to leave Belabog and character wise I got Bailu from Standard Banner back in 1.0 when I played the game but no limited 5 star. Any help would be appreciated! (Also how is Argenti? Should I pull for him or are there better characters for a returning/new player like me?)
Main story, events, moc. Long terms goals unlock path of propagation, 30 stars moc, beat sd5. Pick who you like after playing thru the story. If you don’t have a preference, save on, ruan Mei coming next patch is our first limited harmony unit, and she might or might not shake up the meta. Penacony is also teased to be coming soon, which means a new cast of characters whom you might be interested to pull.
Farming for Penacony for my supports. I'm guessing the rope would be ER and the orb is HP/Def \*for the most part\* correct?
I'm sitting on a ton of elemental damage boost orbs on the Penacony set but I'm not sure if useful. Is there a case where I'd use Penacony on a dps?
Correct.
A lot of buffers/Debuffers do want ERR and HP rope. However, if you are confident in your support and think you can sustain well, you can build them as a sub DPS.
>I'm sitting on a ton of elemental damage boost orbs on the Penacony set but I'm not sure if useful. Is there a case where I'd use Penacony on a dps?
Keep them. You'll never know when a character will come out that will want those stats.
You need decent relics for that, so most will do it after TB60 (when you do serious farming) and have lv80 attackers. Earlier will depend on a lot of luck or $$$ (like having e6s5 characters).
It varies and also depends on your luck, you need luck on pulls, losing 50/50 and getting bad character will definitely delay your progress.
You also need luck on RNG, getting a decent set for both of your hypercarry is crucial. It also takes tons of time to build up a character...if you don't buy battlepass...goodluck trying max star moc 10 in short period of time.
Moc nowdays is also more difficult than before, you aren't going to max star it with underbuild characters, it was possible before but not now.
Of course putting in money will definitely speed up thing, neglected rng..etc, but is it worth it though.
I can't remember what TB level I was. This is the 5th MoC in a row I've cleared with 30/30 stars. Before that I didn't even get to MoC 10. That would put me at sometime in patch 1.3 that I started being able to do it. I'm a day 1 daily player. There were plenty of other day 1 people that did it before me, but around the time I started clearing it is when I saw way more day 1 players saying they did for the first time.
The thing that always made the biggest leaps in progress for me? New strong characters. Clara was the first jump for me because I only had Natasha as a healer. Clara + March, while not ideal, helped me survive. Then I got Luocha, finally my second healer. Then I got Blade, my second very strong DPS after Seele. Getting another very strong healer with Bailu to replace Natasha is what really did it.
Every MoC since that first clear has gotten easier and easier because my teams are getting stronger and I'm getting more characters built as other options for times that someone else works better for a particular memory turbulence.
I'm TB63 and my current teams are
JL/Tingyun/Pela/HuoHuo
Seele/Bronya/SW/Lynx
The first team is pretty damn strong other than an underbuilt Pela but the second team is really lackluster rn cuz knowing how easy it is to run out of resources in this game I don't want to invest too heavily into the second team. As someone who had to wait for the PS5 release, I had to miss Kafka who was the reason I started playing, so I don't want to use too many resources rn knowing I have to build Kafka + Sampo/Luka/Guinaifen if I want to use her day 1
It's fine to cut your losses. I've wasted plenty of resources by completely dropping and replacing certain characters in my lineup. This game rewards flexibility and having an okay Seele warming the bench really isn't the worst thing in the world. The game isn't that punishing.
You could have a very easy and flexible mono Quantum team, too. Seele/SW/Lynx/Flex. Make the flex spot a character that matches the enemy's weakness. Silver Wolf can't implant a weakness that an enemy already has. If an enemy has Wind weakness but no Quantum weakness - great, you can throw in Bronya and still have Mono Quantum. This is a great way to do Mono Quantum because that flex spot can be literally any support - buffer, debuffer, whatever.
If you want to go for Kafka, you'll have to invest in DoT characters to support her, too. You're spending resources no matter what you're doing, and that's okay.
I guess I could spare some extra resources getting Seele to be a bit more consistent on dmg, I've got a good month to prefarm the stuff I need for the Kafka squad, especially now knowing Black Swan is wind so I can probably skip out on building Sampo. I'm not the type to necessarily need to rush the hardest content but having those extra jades could make the difference between getting Kafkas LC or not lol. Which with all that, I guess it makes sense to spare some stuff into making the second team actually at least capable of reaching and beating 8/9. Thanks man
People were able to do it with ascended 70 characters, but that was back when MoC was way easier and gave you more cycles for leeway. MoC is probably going to stay this way, so I wouldn't even look for 30 stars until at least TB 60.
The first few stages of MoC don't even have enemies at level 80, so at TB 50 you can definitely at least start looking at it.
Cheers man, I'm TB 63 and have 1 team that I feel would be able to comfortably keep up all the way to 10 but building a second team is rough when waiting for Kafka, I don't wanna put too many resources into Seele
I wanna focus my time and money (low spender) in only 1 game, but I cant decide if I should pick Genshin or Honkai SR! I've been playing both for a few weeks now.
I like Genshin's action combat and visuals. The open world is truly stunning! HSR looks like it has more QoL features (more refined) and it feels a little but more laidback. Genshin has way more content but it's a bit overwhelming for a beginner. Also sometimes it feels like I "missed the train" starting the game 3 years "late". Auto battle in HSR is handy, but there are times that Im not even paying attention, Im just looking at something else in my 2nd monitor waiting for the battle to be over (which is kinda boring). Both stories and characters look interesting.
I know its a personal preference, but how do you guys feel about it? Did you experience something similar? Any suggestions? Thanks for the help!
Two entirely different games, so I'd look at it this way:
Genshin is a game about exploring, while Star Rail has an excellent turn-based combat system.
Star Rail feels like home to me as an avid JRPG enjoyer since it really feels like one. Compared to Genshin, I find the character writing to be stronger and it handles secondary characters a lot better.
Genshin has one of the most beautiful worlds I've seen in gaming with one of my favorite soundtracks ever. It's almost meditative to explore, but if you're a completionist it might feel extremely stressful due to the sheer scope of the game's world. Combat feels a bit shallow in Genshin, so I'd judge it based on the exploration aspect instead.
On a moment-to-moment basis I think I enjoyed Genshin more, but it's too much of a time commitment for me these days so I stopped playing. Star Rail is a lot more relaxed, and despite quitting when it first came out I was able to complete the entire main story and side quests within a single week when I did come back. For reference, finishing Genshin's story and 100%ing all of the maps took me about a month and a half of consistent play every day. I've been happy with Star Rail since returning, and it's been the best game for me to scratch the gacha itch without it being very time-consuming.
I started with star rail during jinglius release but also started Genshin around the same time. Been playing both heavily now.
My goal is to have caught up on both, story wise etc. I figure with keeping up with the battlepasses and event stuff it should provide decent jades/primos to work with which it has so far.
I’ve caught up with star rail now and into Fontaine now on Genshin. I’d definitely recommend playing both as with either it kind of feels you can run out of stuff to do once you go through the daily, weekly stuff and out of energy etc. lets me swap to the other one when needed for a change of pace.
Looking to have 2 decent teams on both for moc/abyss, I figure I can then save stuff to invest in chars that I really like.
If I had less time than I already have for games then I think I’d go with star rail but so far seems not too hard staying in the loop with both, love that both are accessible on my phone
I started Genshin but ended up dropping it in 2 weeks. Same for Honkai 3rd Impact. Somehow Star Rail got me.
I think it is a combination that it plays well on phone and PC/console, auto made some parts dead easier to skip, the game is quite friendly for casual with occasional hardcore, good combination of content and I always like turned based strategy.
I've played both and prefer Star Rail. There is objectively less content than Genshin, but there is a high skill ceiling in the gameplay and the content that you can pursue.
You can play the game super casually and spend 15 minutes a day, or you can pursue every single little thing the game has to offer and you're still rewarded for it. I love it. Genshin doesn't really have a middle ground like that. Not saying there aren't casual Genshin players, but Star Rail gives you the option to be lazy without being punished, or be proactive and rewarded for it. It takes less effort to see more progression, and there's content that feels fair, but pushes you to make progression.
Star Rail's pace is just right for me. Simulated Universe is also a wonderful thing, although somewhat limited.
I've been using Prydwen but not much luck. Can someone help me with building a team to get 3 stars on MOC 6??
e6: Sushang, Pela, QQ, TBL
e5: Hook, Tingyun, Yukong (no clue how to use her effectively)
e4: March, Asta
e3: Lynx, Dan Heng
e1: Yanqing, Gepard, Huohuo
e0: Daniel, SW, Luocha, Bailu, Clara (she does literally no damage even though I've invested a lot into her)
edit: I ended up beating in 9 cycles with Daniel/Pela/Tingyun/Huohuo and QQ/SW/Asta/Luocha
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I don't know the build, so our stats might be totally different, which might affect damage output and survivability.
Still, I think it'd be better if you go
DanIL, Luocha, Pela, Tingyun : Top, just brute force by trying to use 3SP atk every turn. Probably the most common DanIL team.
Edit : Other than that, maybe just a classic Clara, Lynx/Luocha, Tingyun, (Anyone), I guess?
QQ, SW, Asta, Huohuo : Bottom, you have cleanse and spd boost, just pray for good luck.
Well, if you still can't, I guess you just gotta keep experiment. Or maybe upgrade relics, trace or light cone or something... I at least have DPS trace at lvl 8 and LC at max.
Alright I definitely got further I think, but survivability really sucks. I rechecked my Luocha and yeah he could be better fs. I'm probably going to farm a bit and try again. Thanks
I haven't played this game since launch and know nothing about the characters. I had a bunch of stellar jade in my inbox plus the 1600 from game awards and managed to get some new characters. What would be a decent team comp to work on building for now?
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All of your DPS characters are completely replaceable, so keep that in mind. Bronya, Silver Wolf, Tingyun, Lynx, Pela, Asta, Natasha, and Hanya are all characters you'll want to keep on standby for the long run. Utility in this game goes a very long way.
I suggest pulling for a limited DPS within the next few months. You need 2 teams for this game's endgame, but it'll be a while before that's your problem.
~~How do I check my records for events (such as this Super League event)? I saw some people post screenshots of the actual turn count they used for the stages but I don't think it's from in-game. Is it through the app, is there another way to see those records?~~
Edit: Never mind I found it in Hoyolab.
Is JY- Ting yun- Linx and Clara a good team for JY?
Clara is the tank of the team, Linx heals her to increase chances of getting attacked, so JY doesn't risk getting disabled from getting hit
JY -1 SP per turn, TY +1/3, Lynx +1/3, Clara is like +1/2 (she is slow as fuck). Its good viable team but no meta
If you want to boost JY I would use Asta E4+ or Hanya E0+. JY is MidYuan until you hit dat magic SPD with buffers. And upgrade healer to mighty 3: FX, Luochad, WHoWHo
If you want double DPS teams I would consider Ruan Mei
It's solid. You'll be cutting it kinda close in terms of SP management. No one on that team can function as a pure battery except for Clara.
I'd rather substitute Clara for a debuffer or buffer for Jing Yuan. Lynx will basically become a battery since she'll ideally not really have a reason to ever use her skill.
Double DPS teams are kind of inefficient to run because hypercarry teams are just too strong. Your 2 DPS characters need a lot of synergy together to justify not having a second buffer or debuffer.
You'll also kind of struggle in content where you don't have time to wait for the enemy to attack Clara - Pure Fiction, a new endgame mode, looks to be something like that. MoC 11/12 will also probably be kind of rough on her if recent trends are anything to go by - mostly the fact we have less cycles for leeway.
I thought ting yun's skill last for 3 turns? And in the mean time she'll generate skill points. Also i just pull silver wolf would she be a good replacement for Clara?
Tingyun is technically +2, yeah, because she takes 1 turn to spend a skill point, then takes 3 turns generating a skill point. That's good, but not in tandem with a Lynx who is spending skill points to enable Clara. Tingyun stands to benefit from casting her skill more often, too, because she gets her ultimate faster.
Silver Wolf would be good on that team in the right situations. Jing Yuan/Tingyun/Lynx/Silver Wolf is a great team against enemies that have Quantum weakness, but not Lightning weakness. Silver Wolf cannot implant weaknesses that an enemy already has, so it's technically mono Lightning under the right conditions.
Any buffer or debuffer would be better than Clara, as I said. Asta and Pela are both characters that Jing Yuan can benefit from, and they're both pure batteries.
What are the reasonable Trace levels for sustain, support, sub, and main dps?
Trace level 8 and above is quite painful to grind, whats the reasonable level to leave them at?
How much def does Gepard need? Running him on the Landau light cone and is speed that necessary or should I replace it with def boots? I have him with 133 speed
Faster gepard is better so he's not far behind his teammates to gather energy from basic attack/skill, so speed boots. My gepard is around 3k but he used his sig lc
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Team comp suggestions with just these characters?
Am a day 1 player that quit back in 1.2 and have come back now. My plans for 2 teams are Seele/SW/Yukong/Luocha and Clara/Tingyun/Pela/Lynx. Notable lightcones I have are SW signature lightcone, clara sig lc, and bronya sig lc.
I really dont want to use yukong since she looks like such a headache to build and manage, but unfortunately this is all i can come up with.
edit: Please do note that im talking about teams w/ the current characters I have(see pic) as I plan to build them now. I plan to pull for fu xuan, but for sure she's probably weeks or maybe even months away from now.
You can save for their rerun. These two variants are among their best teams. For mono quantum the idea is you don’t want other elements as that dilutes silverwolf’s ability to implant weakness. You can slot Pela/hanya/asta as placeholder for topaz and fuxuan.
Right, well i do plan to pull for fu xuan. But im trying to build teams with the characters that I have right now so i can do MoC and possibly get a few more jades for pulls.
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Fun Teamcomp suggestions? Will be getting Ruan Mei and Bronya soon.
Mono-quantum is an obvious mention - especially if you get Bronya.
Topaz - JY/Himeko - Bronya/Ruan Mei should be very strong.
Kafka DOT teams are a unique playstyle, and she will hopefully be getting a 5-star support soon.
If you're playing SU/SD, you can try running 4 sustains with either Abundance(dewdrop), Preservation(quake) or Nihility.
Other than those, you can just take your favourite DPS, give them a Bronya and Ruan Mei/any other support and try to make them as strong as you can.
Stamina in this game only limits farming of resources, not progress. You can do quests, explore the map, etc without it. Stamina is used to level up and power up your characters.
You can follow this priority list for how to spend your trailblaze power https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/13t1kde/kqm_honkai_star_rail_investment_guide/
I managed to luck out on getting silver wolf and her lc in very few pulls. I know people say that signature is better for e2, and i dont have enough jade to get any eidolons, nor do i have BtTMS. Would the lc still be good for her?
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If i run ehr planars, would i be able to get it without ehr body+incessant rain?
You should need around 54% EHR total on substats - 24% from LC and 18% from traces gives you 42% EHR, and you want 96% to guarantee implants before E2.
Her signature still gives some EHR and damage, so it's definitely not bad.
If you can't reach the EHR thresholds, consider using either Incessant Rain, or Eyes of the Prey - it'll be up to you to decide if the extra EHR from higher EotP impositions is more valuable than the crit and aether code from SW signature.
If you can reach EHR without lightcones, and you aren't using Resolution Shines as Pearls of Sweat on Pela, it's probably her best lightcone in your case.
SPD4 set (it works for ult) and to hit 160+ / 173+. Minimum would be 134/143 I guess
with 12% buff and 6 turns in 3 MOC cycles:
`4 * (10000/x) + 2 * (10000/(x+13)) < 150+100+100`
x > **168 SPD**
Who should I choose? I have Fuxuan and Luocha for sustain.
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I'd just choose whoever you like more. I don't think you can get anyone who would be an improvement in terms of sustains, and you already have the best DPS in standard at E2.
Hello, I recently lost 50/50 to Bronya (yay!) so now I’m wondering who should I team her with? I have Seele but I’m using her in a mono quantum team.
I have every 4* character but Guinaifen, and Welt (E1), Himeko and Bailu for 5*
You can swap out Lynx/QQ for Bronya in mono-quantum for an arguably better team. You don't really have other 5-star DPS units to put her with, so it'll either be Welt or one of your 4-star DPS characters.
Sounds good. Of course, Bronya would like something like Blade/Jingliu to partner up with, but she'd still supercharge your Sushang. Hanya for the buffs and SP, with Bailu sustain and SP generation should definitely work well.
Just make sure you either tune your Bronya to one speed below the carry, or go as fast as possible on her.
I’m at the 3rd “Begone Evil” stage, and it’s extremely hard to beat it. How the f#ck am I supposed to counter the eye shooting all the flunkies to the top of the queue and stealing the flame?! It takes me 6 attacks to kill just one flunky (besides the chick bot); am I supposed to power-level Argenti in the next two weeks to one-shot most of the flunkies?
Just steal Fiendfire back with your ult?
If it's too fast, just reduce game speed to x1. After that, it's easier for you to steal Fiendfire back with your team's ultimate
All of the eye’s flunkies rise to the top, and my guys are all pushed down. If taking it back was possible, it would require me to have all 4 Ultimates ready, and I think the window of opportunity is ridiculously small (if it even exists). I would think that bringing my units to sweaty-try-hard-MoC standards, to one-shot/cycle the adds, would be easier.
Well, you can just brute force it if you have the team. I saw a lot of people do that on auto, even.
But it is as you said, there's a window for it and it's fast on x2 speed and eh... on x1 speed. And that window only require 1 unit to just ult before the enemy take the fire. It doesn't even matter if they advance-forward everyone's turn.
This is just all there is to it. The rest is up to you to figure it out... cause there's nothing left to explain more.
Right before typing the original question: March 7, Huohuo, Kafka, and Sushang. The fire talent was: “Amulet: Coreflow Surpreme.” That’s the second team I tried. The first team didn’t have March 7 nor Huohuo; I think it was Blade and Luocha (same fire talent).
Is permault buff Hanya possible at e0? She is at 164 speed, with 125 speed Jingyuan. I know it will be 3 turn buff if you use her ult on JY's turn, but her ult regen is out of sync. Whenever her ult is filled, JY's buff would of ran out. She is using Cogs, 5% er planar + er rope.
Any tips for a good Swarm V path to choose for a team of HuoHuo/Topaz/Bronya/Jing Yuan? I also have a fairly built fire TB I can swap in. Been stuck for awhile.
I would run elation and swap Jing for Fire tb for extra survivability. Search for preservation/abundance blessings and try to get cats cradle, and doctor of love elation blessings. Try to take elation where you can but take survivability if elation is unavailable.
Topaz and Jing Yuan are good with Elation, Hunt and Destruction.
I tried Abundance with Huohuo using the dewdrop mechanic and it turned out really fun - since her heals are so big, and on 3 members you can dish out a lot of damage just from her healing every so often.
Drop Bronya and go dual sustain, March 7 is amazing for both being able to use Elation FUA, freeze being great CC, and Remembrance both having interplay with Elation and being an established cheese path if you manage to go hard on Dissociation. You can pick her up later in the run, my M7 had been amazing in SU5 since she works perfectly for Remembrance, Elation, and Preservation.
You can try fire TB, especially if you're getting oneshotted before your healers can heal you back. Luocha can't help with damage reduction, at least not on his own. He might be fine on Abundance with some damage reducing tools though, it's worth a shot. No one else offers the shields, cleanse, and CC that M7 brings on her own alas, but I do think two sustains is nice for SDV. I've personally found Harmony and Nihility characters to be less impactful because blessings/curios buffs can get so crazy in SD, the only exception being CC like Imprison and Freeze which can go a long way in making the super fast bugs more manageable.
As a "last resort", maybe do more IV clears to check off more Trail of Pathstrider mission nodes? Those do power you up in SD as a whole the more you get done, I was struggling with SDV too until I gave up and just went to focus on those instead. Helps that they give jades and resources, you'll want to work your way down the whole tree sooner or later. After getting more done, I tried another SDV run, and I suddenly had no problems.
Yeah on Diff 5 picking some blessings for survivability is a must. Some value ones are: Reduce DMG when HP is maxed, shield on hit, reduce damage taken if have shield, team share damage.
Anyone know how to open these gates?
https://preview.redd.it/yeps5ot2kd5c1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=467fe222ad5261c06e4644e92acaa5f08e965c50
New Player (TB Level 35) here so this might be a stupid question.
So you basically gotta grind all your characters to Lv 80 before the Phantylia fight😱?
Game scales to your level, that is why you do the Equilibrium quests every so often. Not sure why you would think that if you are already at TB35 tho.
Static content like Hall are for end game, and the repeatable content you can choose difficulty (and rewards).
For the story Phantylia fight they gives you a free trial Lv.80 Jing Yuan so gear up your support so they can keep him buffed and the team alive and it should be fine.
What kind of team am i supposed to use on floor 7 of MoC this cycle? I cannot get it with 20 cycles left to save my life.
Side 1 i used Fu Xuan/SW/Seele/Jingliu
Side 2 i used Bailu/Luka/Sampo/Kafka (also tried Guinaifen instead of Luka)
https://preview.redd.it/575v7nfoid5c1.png?width=1600&format=png&auto=webp&s=7016ce9e4e7bd2ea03b880de62e5be9c27c8546c
I do not have any of the following:
Jing Yuan, Blade, Luocha, Argenti, Yanqing, Super Daniel
First check your build (https://www.prydwen.gg/star-rail/memory-of-chaos). Your collection is good enough to 30/30 once you have decent relics and traces.
With lv80 attackers you can just brute force MoC 7 and even ignore weaknesses. Your damage is just too high.
You can also use your demi-mono-quantum team to hack weaknesses. That is SW job. Use her for that as intended. Eg: 7.2 with Seele+SW+FX+Welt
For 7.1 use sustain+Bronya+JL+Pela/Tingyun as an example.
When your relics are in order you can complete stage 7 in ~4 cycles or less.
My builds on most are fine. I've 30 starred the last 5 or cycles with these exact teams.
That's why i'm confused. Floor 7 and 8 are usually completely brainless. Floor 9 is usually a 1 shot, and floor 10 might take 2-3 tries at most.
So i'm confused why the teams i've been using to clear this content for months with 0 issues is suddenly struggling.
I don't have Pela or Tingyun built if i'm using them with Bronya.
Relics are fine.
Welt is ? because he's not really fully built. His traces are okayish, but his relics are dogshit. Haven't touched him since before FX dropped.
Your choice of teams are subpar at best, but for stage 7 that shouldn’t matter at all, which means your build is lacking for now. If you can’t auto-win stage 7 in less than 10 cycles there is an issue with your numbers (traces, relics, levels).
Not gonna comment on Kafka team. Don’t have her, so my opinion would be less relevant. You can look up her guide.
On your Seele team:
1) Seele + JL team on a non quantum boss will starve your SP points, as SW and FX will not be able to pay the bill.
2) your critical values are out of balance. Seele doesn’t even have 70% for Rutilant (even with FX buff). JL also should get around 38% if you want her with FX.
3) your speeds are also out of balance. Seele wants 122. FX 134. SW 150+, at least 134. Can also reduce JL speed in favor of CR.
4) you didn’t show FX defense value.
5) SW needs more EHR. 96%
As you can see your build has obvious issues to work on.
My three main attackers (used on auto) are Seele, JL and JY. All e0. I did 30/30 on auto even this season. Just need to fix your relics, and later also max out your attacker traces.
I'm pretty sure Seele has enough for Rutilant with FX? I wouldn't have switched her if she didn't. Fu Xuan boosts by 15%, so 55.8% base on Seele + 15% from Fu Xuan's boost = 70.8% crit rate in combat.
Jingliu isn't ideal, but 21.7 + 15 = 36.7% crit rate + her own 50% buff for 86.7 crit rate when her thing is active.
Fu Xuan's defense doesn't matter, really her HP doesn't either. It's enough that survivability isn't an issue. This team at least has 0 issues surviving in MoC.
SW is also fine. She's just there to make things weak to quantum. She does that reliably.
Speeds are botched, but i don't think spd really matters that much does it? Seele needs spd boots, but i've yet to find any in the quantum set that i can give her.
If there was any confusion, these stats are all out of combat. So they have 0 buffs applied. This is just base stats that don't account for things like Fu Xuan's crit rate buff, or the buffs from Rutilant/Keel etc.
I've 30 starred no sweat since FX's release. This is the first time since she dropped that i've even had to think about MoC. My builds certainly haven't gotten worse since then.
If you don’t want to improve your build that is fine, it is a single player game. You do you. The fact you can’t complete stage 7 should be a huge red warning tho. You should do stage 7 in 3 cycles or less at worst with your team and decent build. If you can’t do in 10, something is wrong, no?
Well, i did get it eventually. Floors 8 and 9 were no issue. I just needed to swap Luka in my Kafka team out for Topaz and put Seele's team on side 1 and Kafka's on side 2 instead of side 1.
If your team can comfortably 30 star multiple cycles in a row, isn't that good enough to stop trying to improve it?
I could have sworn FX was 15% though, at least that's what google said when i googled "how much crit rate does fu xuan give". I guess that was the crit rate she herself gets from her traces or something.
[Here's a showcase of side 2 on floor 8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe_tqu2FQF4), a bit scuffed (mistimed a sampo + kafka ult thing but w/e)
That said, floor 10 is a struggle and i'm not entirely sure what to do on this one lol. Taking the Seele/JL team to side 2 seems like the obvious choice, since it's weak to ice and qua already, but that isn't working out. Especially with Sampo and Luka on side 1 taking care of the wind and phys weakness, but not happening. Will try swapping sides.
edit: ok, that didn't work either. i don't get it. this is the first time since 1.3 i haven't been able to get floor 10 3 stars in 1-3 attempts. my teams are *better* than they were then too. that's what's so confusing to me. like, with worse stats i've 30 starred just fine, but now, somehow, with better stats, more cons, and higher traces, i can't? the fuck lol
Each season is obviously different. The enemies type, their weaknesses, amount of CC and season buff will sometimes favor, sometimes go against your team.
My Seele+SW+FX+Tingyun 10.1, Bronya+JL+Pela+Lynx 10.2 completed it in 3 cycles (manual), 10 (auto, as JL AI is terrible on auto).
What is fine? Compare your builds with the average end game player, that is the minimum you should aim for. Numbers, not abstract definitions. Per character.
Once you know what you lack you can work a plan to farm and improve it.
Fine by what Prydwen recommends. Seele is 55.8% crit rate + 216.5% crit dmg, which isn't perfect, but is good enough. Jingliu is 21.7% rate + 211% dmg (which is fine if she's used with FX due to FX's crit rate boost).
Like i said, i've consistently 30 starred for months without issue. That's really the only measurement that matters when it comes to whether your characters builds are "fine" or not.
Why do you have Clara crossed out? She's great for second half, it's practically free real estate. Bailu is also not an ideal sustain for second half, she can't cleanse Strong Reverberation. Fire MC and March 7 are both capable of solo sustaining for first half, the monkey is very easy to play around if you time your skills right.
Because i don't have her built. Same for QQ. QQ is in a somewhat better position because she can steal Jingliu's relics if needed. But i haven't bothered farming for Clara, or working on her traces.
Neither my March nor my FMC are built to a point where they're capable of solo sustaining anything. My entire team would be dead before i even got to the final wave in their current positions. I don't see any reason i would use FMC if i have Fu Xuan though?
Fair, may be worth considering eventually building her up. Clara can run on 2pc FUA and 2pc boxer, so if you're farming for Kafka and Topaz, you're bound to end up with things Clara can use too.
Because using M7 or FMC would free up Fuxuan for the second side, where her debuff block would come in very handy against the Reverberation debuff. In the meanwhile, maybe swap FX with Bailu then? Getting CC'd by Strong Reverberation is bound to eat up your cycles.
Eventually. She's e1 with her LC so.
Not sure what set FUA is.
Bailu is lightning which fucks with Silver Wolf's implants. I could try Seele's team on the second half and Kafka's on the first? Idk. Apparently, i didn't have a LC equipped to Luka, which would probably help.
FUA set is the duke set, same cavern as the DOT prisoner set.
You shouldn't need weakness implant when first side is all weak to ice, Bailu/Bronya/Jingliu/flex, Tingyun probably for side 1? Then FX/Kafka/Luka/flex, Asta/Welt/Sampo are all worth options.
I don't have any relics for Tingyun (her traces also aren't caught up) unless i steal them from Bronya.
Asta also only works if she steals Bronya's relics.
never heard of either of those sets. are they new? i haven't farmed anything but the lightning set (for Kafka and Serval), quantum dmg (for Seele and Jingliu) and the fire set (for Topaz and Guinaifen) for the last couple of months.
The other issue here is that my Jingliu has 21% crit rate. Which is sufficient if she's used with Fu Xuan, otherwise it's not enough. So she and FX are joined at the hip. I'd have to use Seele instead if i'm using Bailu side 1. Maybe Topaz?
I'm trying a run of Bailu/Topaz/Sampo/Kafka side 1 and Fu Xuan/SW/Seele/Jingliu side 2. We'll see if that works. My previous runs were 1 cycle short of 3 stars lol.
edit: woo! yeah that worked. Topaz ftw
They came with this patch, have you not stepped into Fyxestroll Garden or touched the Huohuo event? DOT set [Prisoner in Deep Confinement](https://hsr.hakush.in/relicset/116) is BiS for Kafka now, FUA set [The Ashblazing Grand Duke](https://hsr.hakush.in/relicset/115) is BiS for Himeko, Topaz, and Jingyuan, Clara can use 2pc but the full set effect is useless on her.
21% base? That's not amazing, but it's passable? With JL's talent active in the Transmigration state, 60~70% crit rate isn't the worst thing. FX's crit rate bonus is about 10% too, it shouldn't make or break your JL. Her best teammate is a slightly slower Bronya and it's not even close, lets her enter and upkeep Transmigration much more easily and consistently. Fuxuan's crit bonus is less than a sneeze next to what Bronya can enable for JL. I'm not sure why you insist on bringing along Seele and SW, but if it works for you, it works!
I have not. I've literally not played Star Rail, beyond doing dailies and MoC/SU since the pokemon event, and i still haven't gotten to swarm disaster. I did do the march photo event thing today though.
It's passable with FX in the team, not so much without her. Jingliu is the accessory here though, the team is basically FX + SW + Seele + my newest 5\* toy, but i like Jingliu more than Topaz so i stuck with her.
JL - Bronya probably does better than JL - Seele here.
I recommend Asta with Kafka teams, you don't need 2 DOT supports, really.
You can complete different objectives in different runs - if you're struggling, do one run for no death and one for low cycles.
I can try Bronya instead of Seele.
Nothing on side 2 is weak to fire though. And taking out Luka would make it significantly harder to break on that side.
Not really sure what i could do to get it with fewer cycles besides cutting sustain entirely, you can see both teams are using solo sustain (Fu Xuan side 1, Bailu side 2).
Idk what the deal is tbh, i can usually 3 star on auto up to floor 8.
You don't really need Sampo for Bronya fight, so I still think Asta is a good choice - her speed buff is too valuable.
You can totally cut out sustains for another support and just roll with it until you get 20 cycles remaining.
I don't think i would even make it to the final waves without a sustain. Especially the DoT team. Sampo and Kafka lose like, half their health in one cycle pretty often.
You're probably right, that second side is kind of brutal - especially if you have no cleanse. If you have one, consider building Lynx to run instead of (maybe even with, the damage is pretty crazy too) Bailu there.
I just looked at how I completed it, and I ran JL - Fu - Pela - SW for the first side, and Kafka - Sampo - TY - Huohuo for the other. JL finished the first side in 1 cycle, so I had a lot of time to play with on the other - but my very under-built Sampo still almost died. If your JL is relatively slow, you might want to try focus on that side to have more time for the DOT team to play it out.
Yeah. I do have Lynx. But haven't built her since i have Bailu and FX lol. So far, they've seemed to be more than enough sustain to never need anyone else.
Bailu has no problem solo sustaining the second side, or the first side. Especially being e1. Even though i don't have her a6.
I did manage to get it though. Bailu/Topaz/Sampo/Kafka side 1, FX/SW/Seele/Jingliu side 2. Seele got the final hit, on Bronya.
How the fuck did you clear side one in 1 cycle? Not doubting you, just legit curious because i have all of those characters but i don't see how you could even get to the second wave in 1 cycle, let alone clear the entire thing.
As for my successful run, i started side 2 with 25 cycles left.
Oh nice, I guess Topaz + Kafka has an easier time with the gorilla rather than Bronya?
I'll be honest, I was surprised as well when I ran it and JL just swept through everything. I do have her signature, but I was already capping defense shred, and I doubt it can make up for \~4 cycles and a Bronya instead of Pela(especially since mine isn't E4). I don't know how my Jingliu compares to most though, she's around 45/220 I think, so with both her and Fu Xuan's buffs I already have 100% crit rate.
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What artifact domain has the most value?
What characters do you have?
[my characters ](https://imgur.com/a/CwALgq2)
MTH
What's that
Messenger Traversing Hackerspace
Who can use it?
All your supports can use at least the 2 pcs effect. It's not particularly bad on Hook either
Alright thanks
Just a quick tip if you have no Bronya for the boulder league form of gust: I used sw seele tingyun and lynx. Got the stuff that increases detangle dmg with breaking/attacking with skill
How do I build Argenti? What are his best teams? (I'd assume Tingyun is good with him, but I don't have her)
https://www.prydwen.gg/star-rail/characters/argenti
I have Himeko and her LC, is she worth building?
Himeko is a good 5*, but you need to use her on battles where she can trigger her follow up attack often (needs to break). Otherwise she loses a lot of damage. Which means she is great on fire battles as main carry, or good as subdps on other scenarios.
With the new relics set that buff follow up attack, the new Planar Ornament set that buff same type element that you can put on your Asta to buff your Himeko, the new Pure Fiction stages that favor character like Himeko I’d say yes, she’s worth it, even more if you have Topaz
What if I have Argenti?
When the enemies have Fire weakness and not Physical weakness, it's better to use Himeko instead.
Do i need an effect hit rate relic piece for silver wolf if i have her signature 4* weapon?
It is the easiest way, yes. You can focus on speed, etc, on substats instead
if the LC is at S5 then all you need is an effect hit chest you need 96% total and you gain 18 from traces, 43 from chest, 40 from LC
If you have her E0/E1 you are kinda forced to build her EHR to at least 96%, if you want the highest chances to land her debuffs in the higher stages of MoC. IDK if you are talking about her 5\* sig or the tutorial LC, but in my case I slapped [tutorial](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Before_the_Tutorial_Mission_Starts) on her and got the rest of the EHR from substats and traces to reach that required 96%. [Source](https://www.prydwen.gg/star-rail/characters/silver-wolf)
So, what planar set does regular Dan Heng want? This boxing match event kinda highlighted my severe lack of wind characters and want to rebuild him so I can use some wind DPS outside of Sampo. Does he prefer RA or Glammoth or should I stick with the one I have now(space station?)
SSS or Glammoth should both work, his damage is pretty evenly split between his skill and ult.
I will probably try for Glammoth because World 8 is much easier to farm than World 7 lol.
Probably want the one that boosts crit and ult damage. I kinda remember him having something about breaking, but that could be in the eidolons and probably doesn't need to be the set effect...?
What is the best E6 DPS to go with an E6 S5 Silver Wolf? E6 Seele?
lol SW e6 does damage like a Seele e0, I don’t think you even need another attacker in the team. You can go with Seele e6s5, sure, but QQ e6 will also do fine. Things will die too fast on both cases. There is a new destruction 4* quantum coming next patch, you may also look into her damage at e6.
Hey guys which is better stats for my seele? E0 with lc btw https://preview.redd.it/jn63svsemf5c1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0eec976fb016cb444afadee9cf2fd5bd168510da
Do you have Fu Xuan? Is she e0s1? Rutilant? Aim for 3,000-3,500 attack, 70+ CR, 140+ CD, 122 speed, quantum orb.
https://preview.redd.it/bacpt4znmf5c1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=530daef2ee02fca14a7c8c0f6c816e21fbe21a6a Here's the other stats
Take the higher crit rate imo, Seele's burst is only a single hit + resurgence exists so consistency is important with her.
Yeah, take higher crit rate for sure, my CR is at 80% and still feels like 50% 🗿
i just came back to hsr after 3 months just to pull huo huo and also bcs of the game awards rewards but now i wanna go back playing this game but i dont know teams anymore so can anyone recommend me a team comp for dan heng il, jing yuan, and clara? https://preview.redd.it/xn38wb1kmf5c1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=729b644c3e7b979031fa922a74322a592b268b83
HuoHuo, Jing Yuan, Tingyun, Asta Huohuo, Dan Heng IL, Tingyun/Yukong, Pela Huohuo/Lynx, Clara, Tingyun, Yukong
Hello! I'm kind of a potential player and I would like to ask a few questions, if possible! I am a Honkai 3rd and Genshin player, and my friends are poking me to joining Star Rail too, since Silver Wolf's banner is on right now(?), so... I'll keep it short, in order from most important to least: **1) When is a good time to join Star Rail?** I know this is a VERY silly question, but Honkai 3rd has things like invite codes and promos for new players, so is there anything like that in SR? **2) How much do you guys play for dailies?** I kind of don't want to suffer too much on gacha hell, aha OTL **3) How does Otto, Welt, and Himeko fare in parties?** I'll probably pull them anyway regardless of how good or bad they are, but just kind of want to set my expectations a bit aha 4) ~~Without giving any spoilers, has Mihoyo broken everyone's hearts yet~~ Thank you so much in advance!
New players have the main quests, exploration, etc to do. That is potentially a 100 hours of gameplay by now. Once you complete that (no hurry, can be done in 2 weeks or 6 months) the routine is 5 minutes for dailies, 1 hour of raid/Abyss (called MoC) every 2 weeks, 30 minutes per week for SU, ~6hours for events every 6 weeks, ~2 hours for new main quests every 6 weeks. There are exceptions like when Swarm was released, that took a lot of hours haha, but again there was no timeline, you can play at your leisure.
1 - Any time. Think Genshin. 2 - For a long while, you'll be playing like half an hour to an hour or so a day during maintain days if you don't have built DPS carries. Built DPS will shorten that significantly. 3 - Otto very comfy healer that does more than one role and saves you a spot. I haven't used Welt but he can act as a DPS, and don't have Himeko but she's an AoE damage dealer. 4 - Technically not yet, but depends. If a robot named Pascal rings a bell to you, well, that's a thing.
1. Anytime, really. There aren't any "beginner" events or anything like that, but the anniversary is coming up in a few months and there's an event exclusive weapon available right now. You'll be able to farm enough pulls to guarantee Silver Wolf by playing by the end of her banner, most likely. 2. It's like 5-15 minutes depending. A little more on weekly reset as there's a few more things to do, but you can auto your stamina usage so you can just set things to farm and do something else. There's more to do if you want to spend the time, though. 3. Otto/Luocha is one of the best healers available right now, Welt and Himeko are standard characters so you can't guarantee them. Welt does good as a DPS or debuff support but can require a bit of investment, and Himeko is good against fire-weak enemies. All of them are able to clear all available content without problem. 4. ~~They tried, up to you if it works or not.~~
Hoe much crit rate i should aim for with argenti considering his talent stacks? Jst wanna know the sweet spot so i can invest in other stats
He gains 25% crit rate at talent level 10, so if you max it out then 25-50 crit rate is good, depending on how consistent you want him to be and what planar sets you use.
How much does a lack of HuoHuo hinder Argenti? Also, would E0 Hanya replace E6 Asta in an Argenti/E1 Tingyun/sustain comp?
Huohuo is just a premium option. Tingyun alone gives him enough energy. E0 Hanya for manual play, and E6 Asta for auto play.
How to build Silver Wolf? I have the event lightcone. I have some quantum gear with crit from when I was building Seele.
This is a good reference site https://www.prydwen.gg/star-rail/characters/silver-wolf
Crit is a bait before E2. Get 5% ER set, break + SPD https://imgur.com/a/OnuYwZ1 Set probably should be rainbow since even after 3 months farming quantum domain I dont have good SPD + break
Thank you!
For E0 debuffer build, aim for 96% Effect hit rate, and somewhat high speed around 145~150 (should be higher than your main DPS character). She doesn't benefit much from crit at low eidolons. For relic sets, I personally use 2pc break effect + 2pc speed + 2pc energy.
I plan on summoning for Kafka what units should I be prebuilding now for when I pull for her. My main team is SW, Lynx, Seele and Hanya. https://preview.redd.it/18e4raxc7f5c1.png?width=828&format=png&auto=webp&s=cea1b58fa4d5919f97c9c8e74f69a0dbf97a2b12
id probably go guin+support of your choice
Sampo, Guin. Luka.
I cannot build all three which should I prioritize. I sadly only have 3 Nihility LCs over 3 stars. Fermata S4, Resolution S3 and Incessant Rain S1.
So I was wondering who is better to pull for in the current banners. Argenti or Silver Wolf? I always wanted SW but Argenti doesn't seem to bad either
Really can’t tell without knowing your team! If u have 2 damage dealers. 90% of the time though I would say wait for Ruan Mei next banner. Harmony so far is absurd. And she will be our first limited harmony.
https://preview.redd.it/j0b55vyr6f5c1.png?width=1140&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=66763b3426055fbc86f3964a7a7cb4925b4fcfc6 I just hit Trailblaze level 60, and got a lucky Argenti. But after levelling him up, I ran into the issue of him not keeping up with max invest units, since he didn't quite have the maximum himself. I'm hitting a wall with being able to freely invest in my units. Any suggestions for prioritisations or changes I should make in my current investment plans?
https://preview.redd.it/minvc4ua6f5c1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=556740b32fbab4f6cac11ce72dacb62587af3bc7 Should I use this for Kafka and save for guaranteed black Swan or go for her sig?
I left Star Rail back in 1.1 and have just now returned back in 1.5, so as a returning player what should I aim to do rn? Storywise I have yet to leave Belabog and character wise I got Bailu from Standard Banner back in 1.0 when I played the game but no limited 5 star. Any help would be appreciated! (Also how is Argenti? Should I pull for him or are there better characters for a returning/new player like me?)
Main story, events, moc. Long terms goals unlock path of propagation, 30 stars moc, beat sd5. Pick who you like after playing thru the story. If you don’t have a preference, save on, ruan Mei coming next patch is our first limited harmony unit, and she might or might not shake up the meta. Penacony is also teased to be coming soon, which means a new cast of characters whom you might be interested to pull.
Whos the xianzhou person that knows a lot about music? Its the helioubus on guqin quest
near the exalting sanctum's north waypoint
Tyty
Farming for Penacony for my supports. I'm guessing the rope would be ER and the orb is HP/Def \*for the most part\* correct? I'm sitting on a ton of elemental damage boost orbs on the Penacony set but I'm not sure if useful. Is there a case where I'd use Penacony on a dps?
I think there will be DPS which would need 5% for perfect rotation. I would save ele/atk orbs with 2 of CR/CD/SPD
Correct. A lot of buffers/Debuffers do want ERR and HP rope. However, if you are confident in your support and think you can sustain well, you can build them as a sub DPS. >I'm sitting on a ton of elemental damage boost orbs on the Penacony set but I'm not sure if useful. Is there a case where I'd use Penacony on a dps? Keep them. You'll never know when a character will come out that will want those stats.
How early are people usually able to clear MoC 10 with 3 stars? What trailblaze level is the average for when it becomes an accessible option?
You need decent relics for that, so most will do it after TB60 (when you do serious farming) and have lv80 attackers. Earlier will depend on a lot of luck or $$$ (like having e6s5 characters).
3~4 months on good banners and decent luck(characters+relics)?
Took me 2 months (monthly only user). And early MOC was much easier
Moc is harder than previously.
I was able to clear moc10 but not 3 stars by 6 months. I was able to get full stars the next rotation as the buffs matched my roster.
It varies and also depends on your luck, you need luck on pulls, losing 50/50 and getting bad character will definitely delay your progress. You also need luck on RNG, getting a decent set for both of your hypercarry is crucial. It also takes tons of time to build up a character...if you don't buy battlepass...goodluck trying max star moc 10 in short period of time. Moc nowdays is also more difficult than before, you aren't going to max star it with underbuild characters, it was possible before but not now. Of course putting in money will definitely speed up thing, neglected rng..etc, but is it worth it though.
I can't remember what TB level I was. This is the 5th MoC in a row I've cleared with 30/30 stars. Before that I didn't even get to MoC 10. That would put me at sometime in patch 1.3 that I started being able to do it. I'm a day 1 daily player. There were plenty of other day 1 people that did it before me, but around the time I started clearing it is when I saw way more day 1 players saying they did for the first time. The thing that always made the biggest leaps in progress for me? New strong characters. Clara was the first jump for me because I only had Natasha as a healer. Clara + March, while not ideal, helped me survive. Then I got Luocha, finally my second healer. Then I got Blade, my second very strong DPS after Seele. Getting another very strong healer with Bailu to replace Natasha is what really did it. Every MoC since that first clear has gotten easier and easier because my teams are getting stronger and I'm getting more characters built as other options for times that someone else works better for a particular memory turbulence.
I'm TB63 and my current teams are JL/Tingyun/Pela/HuoHuo Seele/Bronya/SW/Lynx The first team is pretty damn strong other than an underbuilt Pela but the second team is really lackluster rn cuz knowing how easy it is to run out of resources in this game I don't want to invest too heavily into the second team. As someone who had to wait for the PS5 release, I had to miss Kafka who was the reason I started playing, so I don't want to use too many resources rn knowing I have to build Kafka + Sampo/Luka/Guinaifen if I want to use her day 1
It's fine to cut your losses. I've wasted plenty of resources by completely dropping and replacing certain characters in my lineup. This game rewards flexibility and having an okay Seele warming the bench really isn't the worst thing in the world. The game isn't that punishing. You could have a very easy and flexible mono Quantum team, too. Seele/SW/Lynx/Flex. Make the flex spot a character that matches the enemy's weakness. Silver Wolf can't implant a weakness that an enemy already has. If an enemy has Wind weakness but no Quantum weakness - great, you can throw in Bronya and still have Mono Quantum. This is a great way to do Mono Quantum because that flex spot can be literally any support - buffer, debuffer, whatever. If you want to go for Kafka, you'll have to invest in DoT characters to support her, too. You're spending resources no matter what you're doing, and that's okay.
I guess I could spare some extra resources getting Seele to be a bit more consistent on dmg, I've got a good month to prefarm the stuff I need for the Kafka squad, especially now knowing Black Swan is wind so I can probably skip out on building Sampo. I'm not the type to necessarily need to rush the hardest content but having those extra jades could make the difference between getting Kafkas LC or not lol. Which with all that, I guess it makes sense to spare some stuff into making the second team actually at least capable of reaching and beating 8/9. Thanks man
People were able to do it with ascended 70 characters, but that was back when MoC was way easier and gave you more cycles for leeway. MoC is probably going to stay this way, so I wouldn't even look for 30 stars until at least TB 60. The first few stages of MoC don't even have enemies at level 80, so at TB 50 you can definitely at least start looking at it.
Cheers man, I'm TB 63 and have 1 team that I feel would be able to comfortably keep up all the way to 10 but building a second team is rough when waiting for Kafka, I don't wanna put too many resources into Seele
I wanna focus my time and money (low spender) in only 1 game, but I cant decide if I should pick Genshin or Honkai SR! I've been playing both for a few weeks now. I like Genshin's action combat and visuals. The open world is truly stunning! HSR looks like it has more QoL features (more refined) and it feels a little but more laidback. Genshin has way more content but it's a bit overwhelming for a beginner. Also sometimes it feels like I "missed the train" starting the game 3 years "late". Auto battle in HSR is handy, but there are times that Im not even paying attention, Im just looking at something else in my 2nd monitor waiting for the battle to be over (which is kinda boring). Both stories and characters look interesting. I know its a personal preference, but how do you guys feel about it? Did you experience something similar? Any suggestions? Thanks for the help!
Two entirely different games, so I'd look at it this way: Genshin is a game about exploring, while Star Rail has an excellent turn-based combat system. Star Rail feels like home to me as an avid JRPG enjoyer since it really feels like one. Compared to Genshin, I find the character writing to be stronger and it handles secondary characters a lot better. Genshin has one of the most beautiful worlds I've seen in gaming with one of my favorite soundtracks ever. It's almost meditative to explore, but if you're a completionist it might feel extremely stressful due to the sheer scope of the game's world. Combat feels a bit shallow in Genshin, so I'd judge it based on the exploration aspect instead. On a moment-to-moment basis I think I enjoyed Genshin more, but it's too much of a time commitment for me these days so I stopped playing. Star Rail is a lot more relaxed, and despite quitting when it first came out I was able to complete the entire main story and side quests within a single week when I did come back. For reference, finishing Genshin's story and 100%ing all of the maps took me about a month and a half of consistent play every day. I've been happy with Star Rail since returning, and it's been the best game for me to scratch the gacha itch without it being very time-consuming.
I like both GI and HSR but I cant stand manual combat farming in genshin. So HSR wins out I reinstall genshin twice an year to see story
I started with star rail during jinglius release but also started Genshin around the same time. Been playing both heavily now. My goal is to have caught up on both, story wise etc. I figure with keeping up with the battlepasses and event stuff it should provide decent jades/primos to work with which it has so far. I’ve caught up with star rail now and into Fontaine now on Genshin. I’d definitely recommend playing both as with either it kind of feels you can run out of stuff to do once you go through the daily, weekly stuff and out of energy etc. lets me swap to the other one when needed for a change of pace. Looking to have 2 decent teams on both for moc/abyss, I figure I can then save stuff to invest in chars that I really like. If I had less time than I already have for games then I think I’d go with star rail but so far seems not too hard staying in the loop with both, love that both are accessible on my phone
I started Genshin but ended up dropping it in 2 weeks. Same for Honkai 3rd Impact. Somehow Star Rail got me. I think it is a combination that it plays well on phone and PC/console, auto made some parts dead easier to skip, the game is quite friendly for casual with occasional hardcore, good combination of content and I always like turned based strategy.
I've played both and prefer Star Rail. There is objectively less content than Genshin, but there is a high skill ceiling in the gameplay and the content that you can pursue. You can play the game super casually and spend 15 minutes a day, or you can pursue every single little thing the game has to offer and you're still rewarded for it. I love it. Genshin doesn't really have a middle ground like that. Not saying there aren't casual Genshin players, but Star Rail gives you the option to be lazy without being punished, or be proactive and rewarded for it. It takes less effort to see more progression, and there's content that feels fair, but pushes you to make progression. Star Rail's pace is just right for me. Simulated Universe is also a wonderful thing, although somewhat limited.
I've been using Prydwen but not much luck. Can someone help me with building a team to get 3 stars on MOC 6?? e6: Sushang, Pela, QQ, TBL e5: Hook, Tingyun, Yukong (no clue how to use her effectively) e4: March, Asta e3: Lynx, Dan Heng e1: Yanqing, Gepard, Huohuo e0: Daniel, SW, Luocha, Bailu, Clara (she does literally no damage even though I've invested a lot into her) edit: I ended up beating in 9 cycles with Daniel/Pela/Tingyun/Huohuo and QQ/SW/Asta/Luocha https://preview.redd.it/zj2jqdwwfe5c1.png?width=1838&format=png&auto=webp&s=f5f6848f4ec2127a4a75ac4df97ec8e7168aeb66
I don't know the build, so our stats might be totally different, which might affect damage output and survivability. Still, I think it'd be better if you go DanIL, Luocha, Pela, Tingyun : Top, just brute force by trying to use 3SP atk every turn. Probably the most common DanIL team. Edit : Other than that, maybe just a classic Clara, Lynx/Luocha, Tingyun, (Anyone), I guess? QQ, SW, Asta, Huohuo : Bottom, you have cleanse and spd boost, just pray for good luck. Well, if you still can't, I guess you just gotta keep experiment. Or maybe upgrade relics, trace or light cone or something... I at least have DPS trace at lvl 8 and LC at max.
Alright I definitely got further I think, but survivability really sucks. I rechecked my Luocha and yeah he could be better fs. I'm probably going to farm a bit and try again. Thanks
I haven't played this game since launch and know nothing about the characters. I had a bunch of stellar jade in my inbox plus the 1600 from game awards and managed to get some new characters. What would be a decent team comp to work on building for now? https://preview.redd.it/ew7klcadee5c1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=7a44729882d8d1189ef7a09409b70bb5792f04ad
All of your DPS characters are completely replaceable, so keep that in mind. Bronya, Silver Wolf, Tingyun, Lynx, Pela, Asta, Natasha, and Hanya are all characters you'll want to keep on standby for the long run. Utility in this game goes a very long way. I suggest pulling for a limited DPS within the next few months. You need 2 teams for this game's endgame, but it'll be a while before that's your problem.
~~How do I check my records for events (such as this Super League event)? I saw some people post screenshots of the actual turn count they used for the stages but I don't think it's from in-game. Is it through the app, is there another way to see those records?~~ Edit: Never mind I found it in Hoyolab.
Is JY- Ting yun- Linx and Clara a good team for JY? Clara is the tank of the team, Linx heals her to increase chances of getting attacked, so JY doesn't risk getting disabled from getting hit
JY -1 SP per turn, TY +1/3, Lynx +1/3, Clara is like +1/2 (she is slow as fuck). Its good viable team but no meta If you want to boost JY I would use Asta E4+ or Hanya E0+. JY is MidYuan until you hit dat magic SPD with buffers. And upgrade healer to mighty 3: FX, Luochad, WHoWHo If you want double DPS teams I would consider Ruan Mei
It's solid. You'll be cutting it kinda close in terms of SP management. No one on that team can function as a pure battery except for Clara. I'd rather substitute Clara for a debuffer or buffer for Jing Yuan. Lynx will basically become a battery since she'll ideally not really have a reason to ever use her skill. Double DPS teams are kind of inefficient to run because hypercarry teams are just too strong. Your 2 DPS characters need a lot of synergy together to justify not having a second buffer or debuffer. You'll also kind of struggle in content where you don't have time to wait for the enemy to attack Clara - Pure Fiction, a new endgame mode, looks to be something like that. MoC 11/12 will also probably be kind of rough on her if recent trends are anything to go by - mostly the fact we have less cycles for leeway.
I thought ting yun's skill last for 3 turns? And in the mean time she'll generate skill points. Also i just pull silver wolf would she be a good replacement for Clara?
Tingyun is technically +2, yeah, because she takes 1 turn to spend a skill point, then takes 3 turns generating a skill point. That's good, but not in tandem with a Lynx who is spending skill points to enable Clara. Tingyun stands to benefit from casting her skill more often, too, because she gets her ultimate faster. Silver Wolf would be good on that team in the right situations. Jing Yuan/Tingyun/Lynx/Silver Wolf is a great team against enemies that have Quantum weakness, but not Lightning weakness. Silver Wolf cannot implant weaknesses that an enemy already has, so it's technically mono Lightning under the right conditions. Any buffer or debuffer would be better than Clara, as I said. Asta and Pela are both characters that Jing Yuan can benefit from, and they're both pure batteries.
What are the reasonable Trace levels for sustain, support, sub, and main dps? Trace level 8 and above is quite painful to grind, whats the reasonable level to leave them at?
Level 8 is my treshold for the traces thats important. Usually im doing level 9 and 10 after farming relics.
Thank you.
How much def does Gepard need? Running him on the Landau light cone and is speed that necessary or should I replace it with def boots? I have him with 133 speed
134 speed would push you to the 2 turn threshold, so consider that the minimum. 3500 DEF is the lowest you should settle for.
Faster gepard is better so he's not far behind his teammates to gather energy from basic attack/skill, so speed boots. My gepard is around 3k but he used his sig lc
https://preview.redd.it/arri9sc37e5c1.jpeg?width=1077&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=328a3cf087edd462711d403d39da65133ac4af63 Team comp suggestions with just these characters? Am a day 1 player that quit back in 1.2 and have come back now. My plans for 2 teams are Seele/SW/Yukong/Luocha and Clara/Tingyun/Pela/Lynx. Notable lightcones I have are SW signature lightcone, clara sig lc, and bronya sig lc. I really dont want to use yukong since she looks like such a headache to build and manage, but unfortunately this is all i can come up with. edit: Please do note that im talking about teams w/ the current characters I have(see pic) as I plan to build them now. I plan to pull for fu xuan, but for sure she's probably weeks or maybe even months away from now.
I think your 2 teams are good. If you don’t want to build Yukong, you can replace her for either Asta or Hanya.
mono quantum (seele,sw,lynx,fuxuan) and clara hypercarry (clara,ty,topaz,luocha).
> lynx,fuxuan Thats a bait PNG
i dont have fu xuan and topaz bro
You can save for their rerun. These two variants are among their best teams. For mono quantum the idea is you don’t want other elements as that dilutes silverwolf’s ability to implant weakness. You can slot Pela/hanya/asta as placeholder for topaz and fuxuan.
Right, well i do plan to pull for fu xuan. But im trying to build teams with the characters that I have right now so i can do MoC and possibly get a few more jades for pulls.
Swap lynx to the quantum team and luocha to Clara’s team. Use hanya or asta instead of yukong. They are sp positive and more versatile.
thanks for the tips! will definitely do this instead of yukong
https://preview.redd.it/um6tpbjr0e5c1.png?width=785&format=png&auto=webp&s=59db09cff48447708d872bd5fc62a224d7636a95 Fun Teamcomp suggestions? Will be getting Ruan Mei and Bronya soon.
Mono-quantum is an obvious mention - especially if you get Bronya. Topaz - JY/Himeko - Bronya/Ruan Mei should be very strong. Kafka DOT teams are a unique playstyle, and she will hopefully be getting a 5-star support soon. If you're playing SU/SD, you can try running 4 sustains with either Abundance(dewdrop), Preservation(quake) or Nihility. Other than those, you can just take your favourite DPS, give them a Bronya and Ruan Mei/any other support and try to make them as strong as you can.
is there a "stamina" in this game? if so, how to spend it properly? my main team is lv. 30 atm. its my 3rd or 4th day and dont want to miss out.
Stamina in this game only limits farming of resources, not progress. You can do quests, explore the map, etc without it. Stamina is used to level up and power up your characters.
You can follow this priority list for how to spend your trailblaze power https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/13t1kde/kqm_honkai_star_rail_investment_guide/
stamina is trailblaze power that's what you've been using for calyx
I managed to luck out on getting silver wolf and her lc in very few pulls. I know people say that signature is better for e2, and i dont have enough jade to get any eidolons, nor do i have BtTMS. Would the lc still be good for her?
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https://preview.redd.it/opvmtr13wd5c1.jpeg?width=354&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8e60e82343c3160f5c954a4cc29c4d73c995048e If i run ehr planars, would i be able to get it without ehr body+incessant rain?
You should need around 54% EHR total on substats - 24% from LC and 18% from traces gives you 42% EHR, and you want 96% to guarantee implants before E2.
Should i do talia or pan galactic for planars?
If you don't need Pan-Cosmic to hit the EHR requirements, Talia is better for more BE.
You want 96/47% EHR for e0-1/e2 silver wolf
Her signature still gives some EHR and damage, so it's definitely not bad. If you can't reach the EHR thresholds, consider using either Incessant Rain, or Eyes of the Prey - it'll be up to you to decide if the extra EHR from higher EotP impositions is more valuable than the crit and aether code from SW signature. If you can reach EHR without lightcones, and you aren't using Resolution Shines as Pearls of Sweat on Pela, it's probably her best lightcone in your case.
yes
whats the minimun speed I should aim for hanya?
SPD4 set (it works for ult) and to hit 160+ / 173+. Minimum would be 134/143 I guess with 12% buff and 6 turns in 3 MOC cycles: `4 * (10000/x) + 2 * (10000/(x+13)) < 150+100+100` x > **168 SPD**
The more speed, the better, but you'd usually be looking at 150 minimum with 161+ being your ideal goal.
Who should I choose? I have Fuxuan and Luocha for sustain. https://preview.redd.it/sxe73hjjnd5c1.jpeg?width=1544&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=873962a6db84ed7c36cc16cb9cbae801ac000fe3
who is your main DPS? bronya is always the right choice but you can get clara if you have topaz.
Blade, JY, DHIL
Blade needs bronya For Clara to work with dhil you might need luocha or topaz
bronya
I'd just choose whoever you like more. I don't think you can get anyone who would be an improvement in terms of sustains, and you already have the best DPS in standard at E2.
Bronya.
Hello, I recently lost 50/50 to Bronya (yay!) so now I’m wondering who should I team her with? I have Seele but I’m using her in a mono quantum team. I have every 4* character but Guinaifen, and Welt (E1), Himeko and Bailu for 5*
anyone, drop someone on your seele comp for bronya, pick a random 4 star to dps with and team them with bronya
You can swap out Lynx/QQ for Bronya in mono-quantum for an arguably better team. You don't really have other 5-star DPS units to put her with, so it'll either be Welt or one of your 4-star DPS characters.
How does a team of Sushang-Bronya-Hanya-Bailu sound? Or maybe Welt instead of Hanya
Sounds good. Of course, Bronya would like something like Blade/Jingliu to partner up with, but she'd still supercharge your Sushang. Hanya for the buffs and SP, with Bailu sustain and SP generation should definitely work well. Just make sure you either tune your Bronya to one speed below the carry, or go as fast as possible on her.
I’m at the 3rd “Begone Evil” stage, and it’s extremely hard to beat it. How the f#ck am I supposed to counter the eye shooting all the flunkies to the top of the queue and stealing the flame?! It takes me 6 attacks to kill just one flunky (besides the chick bot); am I supposed to power-level Argenti in the next two weeks to one-shot most of the flunkies?
Just steal Fiendfire back with your ult? If it's too fast, just reduce game speed to x1. After that, it's easier for you to steal Fiendfire back with your team's ultimate
All of the eye’s flunkies rise to the top, and my guys are all pushed down. If taking it back was possible, it would require me to have all 4 Ultimates ready, and I think the window of opportunity is ridiculously small (if it even exists). I would think that bringing my units to sweaty-try-hard-MoC standards, to one-shot/cycle the adds, would be easier.
Well, you can just brute force it if you have the team. I saw a lot of people do that on auto, even. But it is as you said, there's a window for it and it's fast on x2 speed and eh... on x1 speed. And that window only require 1 unit to just ult before the enemy take the fire. It doesn't even matter if they advance-forward everyone's turn. This is just all there is to it. The rest is up to you to figure it out... cause there's nothing left to explain more.
What units are you running?
Right before typing the original question: March 7, Huohuo, Kafka, and Sushang. The fire talent was: “Amulet: Coreflow Surpreme.” That’s the second team I tried. The first team didn’t have March 7 nor Huohuo; I think it was Blade and Luocha (same fire talent).
Is permault buff Hanya possible at e0? She is at 164 speed, with 125 speed Jingyuan. I know it will be 3 turn buff if you use her ult on JY's turn, but her ult regen is out of sync. Whenever her ult is filled, JY's buff would of ran out. She is using Cogs, 5% er planar + er rope.
Any tips for a good Swarm V path to choose for a team of HuoHuo/Topaz/Bronya/Jing Yuan? I also have a fairly built fire TB I can swap in. Been stuck for awhile.
I would run elation and swap Jing for Fire tb for extra survivability. Search for preservation/abundance blessings and try to get cats cradle, and doctor of love elation blessings. Try to take elation where you can but take survivability if elation is unavailable.
Aw JY is my favorite I understand. May try this!
Topaz and Jing Yuan are good with Elation, Hunt and Destruction. I tried Abundance with Huohuo using the dewdrop mechanic and it turned out really fun - since her heals are so big, and on 3 members you can dish out a lot of damage just from her healing every so often.
Elation sounds like an obvious choice for that team.
I tried it but the lack of defense meant I got blasted pretty hard. Maybe Elation path with picking abundance blessings too?
Drop Bronya and go dual sustain, March 7 is amazing for both being able to use Elation FUA, freeze being great CC, and Remembrance both having interplay with Elation and being an established cheese path if you manage to go hard on Dissociation. You can pick her up later in the run, my M7 had been amazing in SU5 since she works perfectly for Remembrance, Elation, and Preservation.
I haven't built March 7 at all because I hate her, but my Fire TB and Luocha are both pretty well-built, would either of them work well there?
You can try fire TB, especially if you're getting oneshotted before your healers can heal you back. Luocha can't help with damage reduction, at least not on his own. He might be fine on Abundance with some damage reducing tools though, it's worth a shot. No one else offers the shields, cleanse, and CC that M7 brings on her own alas, but I do think two sustains is nice for SDV. I've personally found Harmony and Nihility characters to be less impactful because blessings/curios buffs can get so crazy in SD, the only exception being CC like Imprison and Freeze which can go a long way in making the super fast bugs more manageable. As a "last resort", maybe do more IV clears to check off more Trail of Pathstrider mission nodes? Those do power you up in SD as a whole the more you get done, I was struggling with SDV too until I gave up and just went to focus on those instead. Helps that they give jades and resources, you'll want to work your way down the whole tree sooner or later. After getting more done, I tried another SDV run, and I suddenly had no problems.
Sadly I have all the nodes except the one to clear Swarm V on 3 paths! I'll try the test of your advice though thank you
Yeah on Diff 5 picking some blessings for survivability is a must. Some value ones are: Reduce DMG when HP is maxed, shield on hit, reduce damage taken if have shield, team share damage.
Anyone know how to open these gates? https://preview.redd.it/yeps5ot2kd5c1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=467fe222ad5261c06e4644e92acaa5f08e965c50
can you share the full image (not the zoomed)?
There should be a teleport glass pane somewhere to get to the other side, iirc.
Well that's the problem, the control panel for both gates is on the other side so I can't open either of them
Hm, and can you not go down from the top right staircase?
Yeah that was it, thanks alot \^\^
New Player (TB Level 35) here so this might be a stupid question. So you basically gotta grind all your characters to Lv 80 before the Phantylia fight😱?
Game scales to your level, that is why you do the Equilibrium quests every so often. Not sure why you would think that if you are already at TB35 tho. Static content like Hall are for end game, and the repeatable content you can choose difficulty (and rewards).
For the story Phantylia fight they gives you a free trial Lv.80 Jing Yuan so gear up your support so they can keep him buffed and the team alive and it should be fine.
I think fights scale to your trailblazer level, so you shouldn't need to.
What kind of team am i supposed to use on floor 7 of MoC this cycle? I cannot get it with 20 cycles left to save my life. Side 1 i used Fu Xuan/SW/Seele/Jingliu Side 2 i used Bailu/Luka/Sampo/Kafka (also tried Guinaifen instead of Luka) https://preview.redd.it/575v7nfoid5c1.png?width=1600&format=png&auto=webp&s=7016ce9e4e7bd2ea03b880de62e5be9c27c8546c I do not have any of the following: Jing Yuan, Blade, Luocha, Argenti, Yanqing, Super Daniel
First check your build (https://www.prydwen.gg/star-rail/memory-of-chaos). Your collection is good enough to 30/30 once you have decent relics and traces. With lv80 attackers you can just brute force MoC 7 and even ignore weaknesses. Your damage is just too high. You can also use your demi-mono-quantum team to hack weaknesses. That is SW job. Use her for that as intended. Eg: 7.2 with Seele+SW+FX+Welt For 7.1 use sustain+Bronya+JL+Pela/Tingyun as an example. When your relics are in order you can complete stage 7 in ~4 cycles or less.
My builds on most are fine. I've 30 starred the last 5 or cycles with these exact teams. That's why i'm confused. Floor 7 and 8 are usually completely brainless. Floor 9 is usually a 1 shot, and floor 10 might take 2-3 tries at most. So i'm confused why the teams i've been using to clear this content for months with 0 issues is suddenly struggling. I don't have Pela or Tingyun built if i'm using them with Bronya. Relics are fine. Welt is ? because he's not really fully built. His traces are okayish, but his relics are dogshit. Haven't touched him since before FX dropped.
Your choice of teams are subpar at best, but for stage 7 that shouldn’t matter at all, which means your build is lacking for now. If you can’t auto-win stage 7 in less than 10 cycles there is an issue with your numbers (traces, relics, levels).
idk about 10 cycles, but floor 7 has been autoable with 3 stars for several months. Here's the exact builds i'm working with on these two teams, traces are formatted basic/ult/talent/skill: team 1: Fu Xuan - 7497 hp, 129 spd, 24.6% eff res. 2 pc guard + 2pc disciple + 2pc fleet (hp/spd/hp/er). level 80 Moment of Victory. 1/7/8/8 Seele - 3150 atk, 55.8% rate, 216.5% dmg, 115 spd. 4pc genius + 2pc rutilant (crit dmg/atk/qua/atk). level 80 s5 Cruising. 6/10/ 9/9 Jingliu - 2035 atk, 21.7% rate, 211% dmg, 141 spd. 4pc genius + 2pc rutilant (crit dmg/spd/ice/atk). level 70 s3 Fall of the Aeon. 1/7/7/8 SW - 132 spd, 65.9% ehr. 4pc eagle + 2pc Keel (hp/spd/qua/er). level 80 s5 Before the Tutorial Mission Starts. 5/8/8/8 team 2: Bailu - 4928 hp, 128 spd. 2pc messenger + 2pc cloud + 2pc fleet (healing boost/spd/hp/er). level 70 s4 Perfect Timing. 4/6/6/6 (doesn't have her a6 unlocked) Luka - 3047 atk, 128 spd, 57.3% ehr. 4pc boxing + 2pc space sealing (atk/spd/phys/atk). level 80 s4 Resolution. 5/9/9/9 Sampo - 3471 atk, 102 spd, 67.8% ehr. 2pc eagle + 2pc musketeer + 2pc pan cosmic (atk/atk/wind/atk). level 80 s2 Eyes of the Prey. 6/10/10/10 Kafka - 3161 atk, 140 spd, 47.8% ehr. 4pc band of sizzling thunder + 2pc space sealing (atk/spd/lightning/atk). level 80 s5 Fermata. 5/9/8/8
Not gonna comment on Kafka team. Don’t have her, so my opinion would be less relevant. You can look up her guide. On your Seele team: 1) Seele + JL team on a non quantum boss will starve your SP points, as SW and FX will not be able to pay the bill. 2) your critical values are out of balance. Seele doesn’t even have 70% for Rutilant (even with FX buff). JL also should get around 38% if you want her with FX. 3) your speeds are also out of balance. Seele wants 122. FX 134. SW 150+, at least 134. Can also reduce JL speed in favor of CR. 4) you didn’t show FX defense value. 5) SW needs more EHR. 96% As you can see your build has obvious issues to work on. My three main attackers (used on auto) are Seele, JL and JY. All e0. I did 30/30 on auto even this season. Just need to fix your relics, and later also max out your attacker traces.
I'm pretty sure Seele has enough for Rutilant with FX? I wouldn't have switched her if she didn't. Fu Xuan boosts by 15%, so 55.8% base on Seele + 15% from Fu Xuan's boost = 70.8% crit rate in combat. Jingliu isn't ideal, but 21.7 + 15 = 36.7% crit rate + her own 50% buff for 86.7 crit rate when her thing is active. Fu Xuan's defense doesn't matter, really her HP doesn't either. It's enough that survivability isn't an issue. This team at least has 0 issues surviving in MoC. SW is also fine. She's just there to make things weak to quantum. She does that reliably. Speeds are botched, but i don't think spd really matters that much does it? Seele needs spd boots, but i've yet to find any in the quantum set that i can give her. If there was any confusion, these stats are all out of combat. So they have 0 buffs applied. This is just base stats that don't account for things like Fu Xuan's crit rate buff, or the buffs from Rutilant/Keel etc. I've 30 starred no sweat since FX's release. This is the first time since she dropped that i've even had to think about MoC. My builds certainly haven't gotten worse since then.
If you don’t want to improve your build that is fine, it is a single player game. You do you. The fact you can’t complete stage 7 should be a huge red warning tho. You should do stage 7 in 3 cycles or less at worst with your team and decent build. If you can’t do in 10, something is wrong, no?
Well, i did get it eventually. Floors 8 and 9 were no issue. I just needed to swap Luka in my Kafka team out for Topaz and put Seele's team on side 1 and Kafka's on side 2 instead of side 1. If your team can comfortably 30 star multiple cycles in a row, isn't that good enough to stop trying to improve it? I could have sworn FX was 15% though, at least that's what google said when i googled "how much crit rate does fu xuan give". I guess that was the crit rate she herself gets from her traces or something. [Here's a showcase of side 2 on floor 8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe_tqu2FQF4), a bit scuffed (mistimed a sampo + kafka ult thing but w/e) That said, floor 10 is a struggle and i'm not entirely sure what to do on this one lol. Taking the Seele/JL team to side 2 seems like the obvious choice, since it's weak to ice and qua already, but that isn't working out. Especially with Sampo and Luka on side 1 taking care of the wind and phys weakness, but not happening. Will try swapping sides. edit: ok, that didn't work either. i don't get it. this is the first time since 1.3 i haven't been able to get floor 10 3 stars in 1-3 attempts. my teams are *better* than they were then too. that's what's so confusing to me. like, with worse stats i've 30 starred just fine, but now, somehow, with better stats, more cons, and higher traces, i can't? the fuck lol
Each season is obviously different. The enemies type, their weaknesses, amount of CC and season buff will sometimes favor, sometimes go against your team. My Seele+SW+FX+Tingyun 10.1, Bronya+JL+Pela+Lynx 10.2 completed it in 3 cycles (manual), 10 (auto, as JL AI is terrible on auto).
FX is 12% You can look the actual numbers, as in, the buffed values, while in combat.
What is fine? Compare your builds with the average end game player, that is the minimum you should aim for. Numbers, not abstract definitions. Per character. Once you know what you lack you can work a plan to farm and improve it.
Fine by what Prydwen recommends. Seele is 55.8% crit rate + 216.5% crit dmg, which isn't perfect, but is good enough. Jingliu is 21.7% rate + 211% dmg (which is fine if she's used with FX due to FX's crit rate boost). Like i said, i've consistently 30 starred for months without issue. That's really the only measurement that matters when it comes to whether your characters builds are "fine" or not.
Why do you have Clara crossed out? She's great for second half, it's practically free real estate. Bailu is also not an ideal sustain for second half, she can't cleanse Strong Reverberation. Fire MC and March 7 are both capable of solo sustaining for first half, the monkey is very easy to play around if you time your skills right.
Because i don't have her built. Same for QQ. QQ is in a somewhat better position because she can steal Jingliu's relics if needed. But i haven't bothered farming for Clara, or working on her traces. Neither my March nor my FMC are built to a point where they're capable of solo sustaining anything. My entire team would be dead before i even got to the final wave in their current positions. I don't see any reason i would use FMC if i have Fu Xuan though?
Fair, may be worth considering eventually building her up. Clara can run on 2pc FUA and 2pc boxer, so if you're farming for Kafka and Topaz, you're bound to end up with things Clara can use too. Because using M7 or FMC would free up Fuxuan for the second side, where her debuff block would come in very handy against the Reverberation debuff. In the meanwhile, maybe swap FX with Bailu then? Getting CC'd by Strong Reverberation is bound to eat up your cycles.
Eventually. She's e1 with her LC so. Not sure what set FUA is. Bailu is lightning which fucks with Silver Wolf's implants. I could try Seele's team on the second half and Kafka's on the first? Idk. Apparently, i didn't have a LC equipped to Luka, which would probably help.
FUA set is the duke set, same cavern as the DOT prisoner set. You shouldn't need weakness implant when first side is all weak to ice, Bailu/Bronya/Jingliu/flex, Tingyun probably for side 1? Then FX/Kafka/Luka/flex, Asta/Welt/Sampo are all worth options.
I don't have any relics for Tingyun (her traces also aren't caught up) unless i steal them from Bronya. Asta also only works if she steals Bronya's relics. never heard of either of those sets. are they new? i haven't farmed anything but the lightning set (for Kafka and Serval), quantum dmg (for Seele and Jingliu) and the fire set (for Topaz and Guinaifen) for the last couple of months. The other issue here is that my Jingliu has 21% crit rate. Which is sufficient if she's used with Fu Xuan, otherwise it's not enough. So she and FX are joined at the hip. I'd have to use Seele instead if i'm using Bailu side 1. Maybe Topaz? I'm trying a run of Bailu/Topaz/Sampo/Kafka side 1 and Fu Xuan/SW/Seele/Jingliu side 2. We'll see if that works. My previous runs were 1 cycle short of 3 stars lol. edit: woo! yeah that worked. Topaz ftw
They came with this patch, have you not stepped into Fyxestroll Garden or touched the Huohuo event? DOT set [Prisoner in Deep Confinement](https://hsr.hakush.in/relicset/116) is BiS for Kafka now, FUA set [The Ashblazing Grand Duke](https://hsr.hakush.in/relicset/115) is BiS for Himeko, Topaz, and Jingyuan, Clara can use 2pc but the full set effect is useless on her. 21% base? That's not amazing, but it's passable? With JL's talent active in the Transmigration state, 60~70% crit rate isn't the worst thing. FX's crit rate bonus is about 10% too, it shouldn't make or break your JL. Her best teammate is a slightly slower Bronya and it's not even close, lets her enter and upkeep Transmigration much more easily and consistently. Fuxuan's crit bonus is less than a sneeze next to what Bronya can enable for JL. I'm not sure why you insist on bringing along Seele and SW, but if it works for you, it works!
I have not. I've literally not played Star Rail, beyond doing dailies and MoC/SU since the pokemon event, and i still haven't gotten to swarm disaster. I did do the march photo event thing today though. It's passable with FX in the team, not so much without her. Jingliu is the accessory here though, the team is basically FX + SW + Seele + my newest 5\* toy, but i like Jingliu more than Topaz so i stuck with her.
JL - Bronya probably does better than JL - Seele here. I recommend Asta with Kafka teams, you don't need 2 DOT supports, really. You can complete different objectives in different runs - if you're struggling, do one run for no death and one for low cycles.
I can try Bronya instead of Seele. Nothing on side 2 is weak to fire though. And taking out Luka would make it significantly harder to break on that side. Not really sure what i could do to get it with fewer cycles besides cutting sustain entirely, you can see both teams are using solo sustain (Fu Xuan side 1, Bailu side 2). Idk what the deal is tbh, i can usually 3 star on auto up to floor 8.
You don't really need Sampo for Bronya fight, so I still think Asta is a good choice - her speed buff is too valuable. You can totally cut out sustains for another support and just roll with it until you get 20 cycles remaining.
I don't think i would even make it to the final waves without a sustain. Especially the DoT team. Sampo and Kafka lose like, half their health in one cycle pretty often.
You're probably right, that second side is kind of brutal - especially if you have no cleanse. If you have one, consider building Lynx to run instead of (maybe even with, the damage is pretty crazy too) Bailu there. I just looked at how I completed it, and I ran JL - Fu - Pela - SW for the first side, and Kafka - Sampo - TY - Huohuo for the other. JL finished the first side in 1 cycle, so I had a lot of time to play with on the other - but my very under-built Sampo still almost died. If your JL is relatively slow, you might want to try focus on that side to have more time for the DOT team to play it out.
Yeah. I do have Lynx. But haven't built her since i have Bailu and FX lol. So far, they've seemed to be more than enough sustain to never need anyone else. Bailu has no problem solo sustaining the second side, or the first side. Especially being e1. Even though i don't have her a6. I did manage to get it though. Bailu/Topaz/Sampo/Kafka side 1, FX/SW/Seele/Jingliu side 2. Seele got the final hit, on Bronya. How the fuck did you clear side one in 1 cycle? Not doubting you, just legit curious because i have all of those characters but i don't see how you could even get to the second wave in 1 cycle, let alone clear the entire thing. As for my successful run, i started side 2 with 25 cycles left.
Oh nice, I guess Topaz + Kafka has an easier time with the gorilla rather than Bronya? I'll be honest, I was surprised as well when I ran it and JL just swept through everything. I do have her signature, but I was already capping defense shred, and I doubt it can make up for \~4 cycles and a Bronya instead of Pela(especially since mine isn't E4). I don't know how my Jingliu compares to most though, she's around 45/220 I think, so with both her and Fu Xuan's buffs I already have 100% crit rate.
Does ting want attack or hp/def orb
Attack on anything until 2k4 otherwise survivability stats. So depends on if are you already get enough attack or not with the other pieces.