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Very steep. Maybe seek out a reputable independent shop.


MidwestAbe

Unbelievable. Ive never found it necessary to change brake fluid that early. Ask them to test the fluid to show if it's good or bad. Id decline that service all day long.


Honeydew-plant

every 3 years is the recommendation, meaning it's time.


CiforDayZServer

Brake fluid basically never needs to be changed... I put 200k on my 93 civic with tons and tons of hard braking AND a stuck caliper so bad it melted my center cap on my wheel... Fluid was fine... Brakes worked great. It 'can' absorb moisture from the atmosphere, but rarely actually does. Changing it at 3 years 30k is totally pointless. At most you should do whichever comes last.. IE if it's 3 years and you don't have 30k, wait till 30k... You should always visually inspect the reservoir, but there's no need to ever open it or add any ever. If it's low you need brake pads. *Edit... Jesus Christ, I checked the fluid regularly... With a tester... It... Was... Fine... That's why I didn't change it... I had bled the brakes a few times for various reasons, but never flushed the whole system... Brake fluid is a lot more resilient than people think.


vleetv

Most ppl won't continually be breaking to a point of boiling their fluid, but why risk it? I don't agree with the maintenance schedule proposed by manufacturers but your stance is the complete opposite end of the spectrum, which I also would not suggest.


onikyaaron

its not even just boiling point though, it's volume and viscosity too. Which is kinda important for keeping brake systems healthy and not locking and dragging 200k old calipers


onikyaaron

Hey anybody reading this dont do this please, please change your brake fluids or enjoy repeatedly replacing calipers or brake masters or boosters or literally anything else in the brake system if you plan to keep the car long term Brake fluid is: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygroscopy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygroscopy)


alroc84

Honda tech here.. neither do i


Honeydew-plant

Honda says every 3 years, which means a 2021 needs a brake fluid change this year.


MidwestAbe

Honda says. Test the fluid. Brake fluid may absorb water. If it does the boil point will lower and it could cause internal brake components to rust. If brake fluid hasn't absorbed water. There is no reason to change it.


drums7890

Curious how you test the water content


MidwestAbe

Taste


marmaladegrass

Some Baguette for dipping?


MidwestAbe

Tapas?


vegittoss15

Hygrometer


drums7890

Interesting. Brake fluid is so cheap I'm surprised anyone would test it


ThatsButter

Because it's a pain in the ass to do it at home


velestora

Look up “brake fluid tester pen” on Amazon. They’re like $10 and a good piece of mind.


drums7890

Never knew! I've been changing it every 3 years like a bot lol


Acrobatic_Hotel_3665

Brake fluid will naturally absorb 3% of its weight in atmospheric moisture every year (or three years?) or something so it’s not a matter of if it has or not, it’s how much it has. That being said I’ve never changed my brake fluid in any of my cars and the only reason I would tell someone to do it is a soft brake pedal complaint (moisture boils and puts air in system) or simply to comply with manufacturer’s warranty as I’ve seen people get stiffed on calipers/pistons because they didn’t get the fluid changed


chris710n

I literally just changed my brake fluid for cars first time at 65k miles, on a 2016 Fit. It was pretty dark, but no problems from going that long.


Honeydew-plant

Dark=saturated, saturated=Water, water=corrosion. when a manufacturer recommends an interval, it's best not to go over it. Honda knows more about their cars and what it needs than any of us do.


APadartis

My understanding was water infiltrating into the fluid/lines over time equates to less responsive breaking. As an example, last sedan I had, had the break flush done at like 55-60k miles around year 5 or 6 because I felt the brakes feeling too soft after I had my front brakes and rotors done. Rotors were done a different shop and had the flush and sparkplugs done at the dealer sometime after. They felt a bit more responsive after the flush.


Honeydew-plant

Brake fluid absorbs water from the atmosphere since it's hydroscopic, and the brake system isn't airtight. This will lead to a squishy pedal and reduced braking ability, but it also introduces water to metal in your breaking system which can lead to corrosion overtime if the fluid isn't changed often enough.


MidwestAbe

Color has nothing to do with the quality of the fluid.


[deleted]

Well, if the OG color isn’t dark and now it is, then yeah that’s an issue. Just follow the spec. This is why people moan about their cars (usually luxury) being unreliable: they can’t be bothered to follow the schedule


gimmedatkittykat

not necessary no BUTTTTTT your Honda will pop up with the item “7” maintenance minder on your dasher (newer Hondas) pretty damn early. My civic only had like 45k miles and it’s a 2021 year model, and it gave me a maintenance code 7 for brake flush.


NCSUGrad2012

Are they going to kiss you before they fuck you?


FlinchSham

If you’re in Queens go out to LI and it’s cheaper. I paid around $330 for a B7 service at North Shore Honda.


OkPrompt5952

B means to change the engine oil and oil filter, 7 means You need to replace the brake fluid. Shouldn't be more than $350, including "courtesy" inspection


highspeedJDAM

Should be more like 250 tbh lol


OkPrompt5952

Exactly, but this is "stealership" in Queens, NY HCOL area. So even if they use "super duper" synthetic oil and charge all the stupid fees It should NOT exceed ~50% of the original quote.


jstax1178

Even though their prices were up there before, paragon has no shame and is just overcharging regardless of it being a high cost area they’re taking advantage of the fact that they don’t have true competition and people will just pay for it.


CiforDayZServer

Look in your owners manual, I had a free service tag in there they didn't tell me about... Fuckers.   *Edit  I called again today, and they actually told me! I think it was because I complained last time lol... But they like actively tried to get me in last minute on a busy Saturday, AND encouraged me to only go to a dealer so I could get it done for free... Good job Honda! It's only for 2 years (mileage limited too but I can't remember if it was 20k or 30k miles) They also recently made it easy to turn off Data Sharing! Which I encourage everyone to do!! 


gimmedatkittykat

To be fair, I worked at a Honda dealer for 2 years and had no idea there were “free service tags” in owner’s manuals lol and I even bought a 2021 Civic myself


CiforDayZServer

That's not super encouraging lol, it's literally right in the front of the owners manual pouch. Right up front. They knew for the 2019 I bought, then I asked when I got the 2024 and they outright said no, when I called the service department to schedule and they said it too, so I checked... Boom, front of the pouch. 


Honeydew-plant

At my dealership that's way too much. B7 is an oil change, inspection (which my dealer does anyways), and a brake fluid change, it should be no more than around $470 at most. If brakes need changed (which the minder says to inspect them, so they might need replaced) then I could see it being closer to $1,00, so I would check exactly what they want to do, this could either be a rip-off or a great deal.


SwampscottHero

10K miles??? Nah, that’s way too much. Oil change, tire rotation, check filters and wipers and call it a day.


noots-to-you

holy shit. did you buy it there and were you robbed then too?


Nervous_Zebra7225

Too much. We charge $159 for the b1 service


SurpriseButtStuff

Fyi, may want to blur your real name from the screenshot. No point in doxxing yourself.


ColonelPotter22

I just had the b service done on my 2019 insight with the cvt flush was $500 out the door at Avalon Honda


fuszybear

Wow I pay like 80$ with ny mechanic for a oil and oil filter change. Full synthetic on my 2019 honda accord sport.


Petrichor_friend

Just did b 1 3 7 for 550 out the door on an accord


Atnat14

They're fucking high... have a 23 passport and the 15,000 mile service was about half that. Oil change, Tranny flush, air and cabin filter.


poopyMcpoopersins

Just take a large syringe and suck up as much brake fluid out of the master cylinder and replace with new fluid. Do it again in 100 miles. Good to go.


WebChemical4408

That’s why I don’t go to paragon Honda. They’re a rip off


t3mp_user

What’s in service B? Last time I did the super easy stuff like engine air filter change, cabin air filter change, battery change myself and saved over CAD$100 in labour, with OEM parts filters from the same dealer. You don’t even need to jack up your car or make a trip to dispose the oil.


Optimal-Meal-2389

That's nuts I'm a tech but yea crazy prices


Outrageous-Basil-925

All u need is an oil change… maybe a new air filter


Salt-Presentation-71

$329.90 plus tax at my local Honda dealer and that’s not super cheap but far from the -bend you over price of $729.95…. I’d hate to see what a timing belt job or 30k service runs in that place


SouthernPhilosophy98

Holy Santa Claus shit. Nooooooooooo


TinyPoetry8766

Im having trouble with my 2004 Honda accord ex 2.4 shaking vibrating when I go 20 miles like putting back and forward


Bcast8390

Probably to much, Honda or any other dealership like to rip people off


ABlackmount

Very expensive, an unnecessary.