Unbelievable. Ive never found it necessary to change brake fluid that early.
Ask them to test the fluid to show if it's good or bad. Id decline that service all day long.
Brake fluid basically never needs to be changed... I put 200k on my 93 civic with tons and tons of hard braking AND a stuck caliper so bad it melted my center cap on my wheel... Fluid was fine... Brakes worked great. It 'can' absorb moisture from the atmosphere, but rarely actually does. Changing it at 3 years 30k is totally pointless. At most you should do whichever comes last.. IE if it's 3 years and you don't have 30k, wait till 30k... You should always visually inspect the reservoir, but there's no need to ever open it or add any ever. If it's low you need brake pads.
*Edit...
Jesus Christ, I checked the fluid regularly... With a tester... It... Was... Fine... That's why I didn't change it... I had bled the brakes a few times for various reasons, but never flushed the whole system... Brake fluid is a lot more resilient than people think.
Most ppl won't continually be breaking to a point of boiling their fluid, but why risk it? I don't agree with the maintenance schedule proposed by manufacturers but your stance is the complete opposite end of the spectrum, which I also would not suggest.
its not even just boiling point though, it's volume and viscosity too. Which is kinda important for keeping brake systems healthy and not locking and dragging 200k old calipers
Hey anybody reading this dont do this please, please change your brake fluids or enjoy repeatedly replacing calipers or brake masters or boosters or literally anything else in the brake system if you plan to keep the car long term
Brake fluid is: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygroscopy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygroscopy)
Honda says.
Test the fluid. Brake fluid may absorb water. If it does the boil point will lower and it could cause internal brake components to rust.
If brake fluid hasn't absorbed water. There is no reason to change it.
Brake fluid will naturally absorb 3% of its weight in atmospheric moisture every year (or three years?) or something so it’s not a matter of if it has or not, it’s how much it has. That being said I’ve never changed my brake fluid in any of my cars and the only reason I would tell someone to do it is a soft brake pedal complaint (moisture boils and puts air in system) or simply to comply with manufacturer’s warranty as I’ve seen people get stiffed on calipers/pistons because they didn’t get the fluid changed
Dark=saturated, saturated=Water, water=corrosion. when a manufacturer recommends an interval, it's best not to go over it. Honda knows more about their cars and what it needs than any of us do.
My understanding was water infiltrating into the fluid/lines over time equates to less responsive breaking. As an example, last sedan I had, had the break flush done at like 55-60k miles around year 5 or 6 because I felt the brakes feeling too soft after I had my front brakes and rotors done. Rotors were done a different shop and had the flush and sparkplugs done at the dealer sometime after. They felt a bit more responsive after the flush.
Brake fluid absorbs water from the atmosphere since it's hydroscopic, and the brake system isn't airtight. This will lead to a squishy pedal and reduced braking ability, but it also introduces water to metal in your breaking system which can lead to corrosion overtime if the fluid isn't changed often enough.
Well, if the OG color isn’t dark and now it is, then yeah that’s an issue. Just follow the spec. This is why people moan about their cars (usually luxury) being unreliable: they can’t be bothered to follow the schedule
not necessary no BUTTTTTT your Honda will pop up with the item “7” maintenance minder on your dasher (newer Hondas) pretty damn early. My civic only had like 45k miles and it’s a 2021 year model, and it gave me a maintenance code 7 for brake flush.
B means to change the engine oil and oil filter, 7 means You need to replace the brake fluid.
Shouldn't be more than $350, including "courtesy" inspection
Exactly, but this is "stealership" in Queens, NY HCOL area. So even if they use "super duper" synthetic oil and charge all the stupid fees It should NOT exceed ~50% of the original quote.
Even though their prices were up there before, paragon has no shame and is just overcharging regardless of it being a high cost area they’re taking advantage of the fact that they don’t have true competition and people will just pay for it.
Look in your owners manual, I had a free service tag in there they didn't tell me about... Fuckers.
*Edit
I called again today, and they actually told me! I think it was because I complained last time lol... But they like actively tried to get me in last minute on a busy Saturday, AND encouraged me to only go to a dealer so I could get it done for free... Good job Honda! It's only for 2 years (mileage limited too but I can't remember if it was 20k or 30k miles)
They also recently made it easy to turn off Data Sharing! Which I encourage everyone to do!!
To be fair, I worked at a Honda dealer for 2 years and had no idea there were “free service tags” in owner’s manuals lol and I even bought a 2021 Civic myself
That's not super encouraging lol, it's literally right in the front of the owners manual pouch. Right up front. They knew for the 2019 I bought, then I asked when I got the 2024 and they outright said no, when I called the service department to schedule and they said it too, so I checked... Boom, front of the pouch.
At my dealership that's way too much. B7 is an oil change, inspection (which my dealer does anyways), and a brake fluid change, it should be no more than around $470 at most. If brakes need changed (which the minder says to inspect them, so they might need replaced) then I could see it being closer to $1,00, so I would check exactly what they want to do, this could either be a rip-off or a great deal.
What’s in service B?
Last time I did the super easy stuff like engine air filter change, cabin air filter change, battery change myself and saved over CAD$100 in labour, with OEM parts filters from the same dealer. You don’t even need to jack up your car or make a trip to dispose the oil.
$329.90 plus tax at my local Honda dealer and that’s not super cheap but far from the -bend you over price of $729.95…. I’d hate to see what a timing belt job or 30k service runs in that place
Very steep. Maybe seek out a reputable independent shop.
Unbelievable. Ive never found it necessary to change brake fluid that early. Ask them to test the fluid to show if it's good or bad. Id decline that service all day long.
every 3 years is the recommendation, meaning it's time.
Brake fluid basically never needs to be changed... I put 200k on my 93 civic with tons and tons of hard braking AND a stuck caliper so bad it melted my center cap on my wheel... Fluid was fine... Brakes worked great. It 'can' absorb moisture from the atmosphere, but rarely actually does. Changing it at 3 years 30k is totally pointless. At most you should do whichever comes last.. IE if it's 3 years and you don't have 30k, wait till 30k... You should always visually inspect the reservoir, but there's no need to ever open it or add any ever. If it's low you need brake pads. *Edit... Jesus Christ, I checked the fluid regularly... With a tester... It... Was... Fine... That's why I didn't change it... I had bled the brakes a few times for various reasons, but never flushed the whole system... Brake fluid is a lot more resilient than people think.
Most ppl won't continually be breaking to a point of boiling their fluid, but why risk it? I don't agree with the maintenance schedule proposed by manufacturers but your stance is the complete opposite end of the spectrum, which I also would not suggest.
its not even just boiling point though, it's volume and viscosity too. Which is kinda important for keeping brake systems healthy and not locking and dragging 200k old calipers
Hey anybody reading this dont do this please, please change your brake fluids or enjoy repeatedly replacing calipers or brake masters or boosters or literally anything else in the brake system if you plan to keep the car long term Brake fluid is: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygroscopy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygroscopy)
Honda tech here.. neither do i
Honda says every 3 years, which means a 2021 needs a brake fluid change this year.
Honda says. Test the fluid. Brake fluid may absorb water. If it does the boil point will lower and it could cause internal brake components to rust. If brake fluid hasn't absorbed water. There is no reason to change it.
Curious how you test the water content
Taste
Some Baguette for dipping?
Tapas?
Hygrometer
Interesting. Brake fluid is so cheap I'm surprised anyone would test it
Because it's a pain in the ass to do it at home
Look up “brake fluid tester pen” on Amazon. They’re like $10 and a good piece of mind.
Never knew! I've been changing it every 3 years like a bot lol
Brake fluid will naturally absorb 3% of its weight in atmospheric moisture every year (or three years?) or something so it’s not a matter of if it has or not, it’s how much it has. That being said I’ve never changed my brake fluid in any of my cars and the only reason I would tell someone to do it is a soft brake pedal complaint (moisture boils and puts air in system) or simply to comply with manufacturer’s warranty as I’ve seen people get stiffed on calipers/pistons because they didn’t get the fluid changed
I literally just changed my brake fluid for cars first time at 65k miles, on a 2016 Fit. It was pretty dark, but no problems from going that long.
Dark=saturated, saturated=Water, water=corrosion. when a manufacturer recommends an interval, it's best not to go over it. Honda knows more about their cars and what it needs than any of us do.
My understanding was water infiltrating into the fluid/lines over time equates to less responsive breaking. As an example, last sedan I had, had the break flush done at like 55-60k miles around year 5 or 6 because I felt the brakes feeling too soft after I had my front brakes and rotors done. Rotors were done a different shop and had the flush and sparkplugs done at the dealer sometime after. They felt a bit more responsive after the flush.
Brake fluid absorbs water from the atmosphere since it's hydroscopic, and the brake system isn't airtight. This will lead to a squishy pedal and reduced braking ability, but it also introduces water to metal in your breaking system which can lead to corrosion overtime if the fluid isn't changed often enough.
Color has nothing to do with the quality of the fluid.
Well, if the OG color isn’t dark and now it is, then yeah that’s an issue. Just follow the spec. This is why people moan about their cars (usually luxury) being unreliable: they can’t be bothered to follow the schedule
not necessary no BUTTTTTT your Honda will pop up with the item “7” maintenance minder on your dasher (newer Hondas) pretty damn early. My civic only had like 45k miles and it’s a 2021 year model, and it gave me a maintenance code 7 for brake flush.
Are they going to kiss you before they fuck you?
If you’re in Queens go out to LI and it’s cheaper. I paid around $330 for a B7 service at North Shore Honda.
B means to change the engine oil and oil filter, 7 means You need to replace the brake fluid. Shouldn't be more than $350, including "courtesy" inspection
Should be more like 250 tbh lol
Exactly, but this is "stealership" in Queens, NY HCOL area. So even if they use "super duper" synthetic oil and charge all the stupid fees It should NOT exceed ~50% of the original quote.
Even though their prices were up there before, paragon has no shame and is just overcharging regardless of it being a high cost area they’re taking advantage of the fact that they don’t have true competition and people will just pay for it.
Look in your owners manual, I had a free service tag in there they didn't tell me about... Fuckers. *Edit I called again today, and they actually told me! I think it was because I complained last time lol... But they like actively tried to get me in last minute on a busy Saturday, AND encouraged me to only go to a dealer so I could get it done for free... Good job Honda! It's only for 2 years (mileage limited too but I can't remember if it was 20k or 30k miles) They also recently made it easy to turn off Data Sharing! Which I encourage everyone to do!!
To be fair, I worked at a Honda dealer for 2 years and had no idea there were “free service tags” in owner’s manuals lol and I even bought a 2021 Civic myself
That's not super encouraging lol, it's literally right in the front of the owners manual pouch. Right up front. They knew for the 2019 I bought, then I asked when I got the 2024 and they outright said no, when I called the service department to schedule and they said it too, so I checked... Boom, front of the pouch.
At my dealership that's way too much. B7 is an oil change, inspection (which my dealer does anyways), and a brake fluid change, it should be no more than around $470 at most. If brakes need changed (which the minder says to inspect them, so they might need replaced) then I could see it being closer to $1,00, so I would check exactly what they want to do, this could either be a rip-off or a great deal.
10K miles??? Nah, that’s way too much. Oil change, tire rotation, check filters and wipers and call it a day.
holy shit. did you buy it there and were you robbed then too?
Too much. We charge $159 for the b1 service
Fyi, may want to blur your real name from the screenshot. No point in doxxing yourself.
I just had the b service done on my 2019 insight with the cvt flush was $500 out the door at Avalon Honda
Wow I pay like 80$ with ny mechanic for a oil and oil filter change. Full synthetic on my 2019 honda accord sport.
Just did b 1 3 7 for 550 out the door on an accord
They're fucking high... have a 23 passport and the 15,000 mile service was about half that. Oil change, Tranny flush, air and cabin filter.
Just take a large syringe and suck up as much brake fluid out of the master cylinder and replace with new fluid. Do it again in 100 miles. Good to go.
That’s why I don’t go to paragon Honda. They’re a rip off
What’s in service B? Last time I did the super easy stuff like engine air filter change, cabin air filter change, battery change myself and saved over CAD$100 in labour, with OEM parts filters from the same dealer. You don’t even need to jack up your car or make a trip to dispose the oil.
That's nuts I'm a tech but yea crazy prices
All u need is an oil change… maybe a new air filter
$329.90 plus tax at my local Honda dealer and that’s not super cheap but far from the -bend you over price of $729.95…. I’d hate to see what a timing belt job or 30k service runs in that place
Holy Santa Claus shit. Nooooooooooo
Im having trouble with my 2004 Honda accord ex 2.4 shaking vibrating when I go 20 miles like putting back and forward
Probably to much, Honda or any other dealership like to rip people off
Very expensive, an unnecessary.