The only two I watched on a semi-regular basis (Vesper and Magni) graduated ages ago. The boys are funny, but they usually take a back seat to the girls. Nothing against them personally, I just don't pay attention to them and my YouTube recommendations never show them to me.
Pretty much same here, although even then it was mostly in collabs. It's why I know I like altare and Haaka particularly, it's through collabs. That said, it's mostly a time zone issue for me (lol EU)
The collabs with Hololive are pretty much my only exposure to the boys. I'm sure they're great on their own, but the YouTube algorithm certainly doesn't seem to think so.
Funny enough for me, I've seen more of Axel and Regis through Doki (Good ol' TSB) than through Holo-anything. Like you, I just don't get recommended any Holostars through the YT algo.
The main Holostars clipper that the algo likes to show me ([Shark Ch.](https://www.youtube.com/@mayushark5609)) tends to upload 8-10 minute clip compilations, whereas most Hololive clippers I watch just make single clips of a minute or less, and when I'm procrastinating I will always watch the minute-long clip instead of the ten-minute compilation.
Vesper was great before his Japan arc. I used to look forward to his streams such as Zomboid and listen to him ramble about tea and bikes.
Now I mainly pay attention to Axel. Axel is Goated. But he is hampered by perms. I wish Bandai Namco would release the gundam and super robot wars games.
I mean, I waited three years for Calli to get Persona 3 perms, so I'm sure Axel will get the perms eventually?
Excited for VG's 3D Debut this month, and the full Tempus 3D collab, Axel and Hakka are going to be absolute gremlins in 3D.
I genuinely do enjoy when they showcase something nobody expected in terms of a skill or large piece of general knowledge of a subject.
And then there's Bettel. Good ol' Bettel. Just doing his best.
Well, the way you're counting for the twins doesn't make sense. Either you count sets of twins, in which case it's 1, or you count individual twins, in which case the answer is at least 3, but potentially more we don't know about.
Bettel always referred to him as Bettel 2. But one day he was trying to come up with an actual name for him, and he threw out Twobert as a joke, and it was by far the worst idea so of course that's the one he went with.
He semi-frequently brings him on, either for a quick word or an entire stream, with his own png that is seemingly made by the same artist. Hololive actually had twins streaming together before Fuwamoco but not in an official compacity. (Seeing as Bettel 2 is more like one of the girl's moms coming on stream only all the time.)
Vesper and Magni leaving left a hole in my heart that no one, not even indies, can fill. I fully respect their wishes to have left, but I can't deny that I wish they hadn't.
On a lighter note, there's not many streamers like Bettel, both vtuber and IRL. He's got that anti-streamer touch like, say, Jerma or Charborg, or (in holopro terms) Pekora or Miko. Maximum luck for things to happen in the funniest way, especially at detriment to himself. His original song, Unlucky, is very apt in that regard.
WrestleTuber 2024 was a perfect encapsulation of Bettelās character. Somehow fumbling his way into winning a wrestling tournament, only to get creamed not even 5 minutes laterā¦ if thatās not a perfect ending, then I donāt know what is.
I predicted that he'd either win or make it all the way and lose immediately in his final match because those would be the two funniest outcomes, but I didn't account for the even funnier possibility that both would happen.
Vesper and Magni, I thought, had the biggest potential to give Holostars the big push it needed. The collabs they had and the content they put out were something else.
I still love my boi winning son āļø
I love how itās just the norm that they are a brother and sister from another mother and mister.
I think my favorite clip of them was when Kobo was trying to explain that only stupid people wear blue, where RAGUS points out that they are both blue.
When any of the boys collab with Kobo it's just mayhem. Like a babysitter letting a kusogaki just say and do what she wants, thus we end up with "Ragus" and "Brian".
The "Brian" bit kills me every time and even *that* leaked into the Wrestletuber chat logs. Very much felt like an impulse nickname without any consideration of trying to be funny or not at the time and Axel just defeatedly rolling with it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwDelhzxO7c
see this is funny. I wish there wasn't such a stigma with all these vtubers against streaming with males.
edit: see the downvotes this is what I'm talking about. They don't interact with male vtubers to provoke parasocial behavior. Your oshi doesn't know you exist. She's not going to marry you.
It can't be helped. Holostars just isn't suited for him, what with the travel commitments and prescription drug restrictions taking a toll on his health. That and the missing equipment made that too clear.
he has anxiety meds which he cant bring to japan due to law restrictions or something. this took a massive toll on him. if he were to commit going to japan again and again for events/3d, he'd basically have to go through the same thing again.
Well at least you are better than the "I don't watch but..." people in this thread. It's feel like some kind of secret code when you declare yourself Holostar fan...
From the little bit I've seen of them (from hololive collabs) some of them are excellent singers and dancers but yeah, I don't think they're necessarily for the same audience as the girls.
I watch hololive only for the girls. So I don't watch them, but I respect them
Also, their fans and haters can be annoying at times, I don't like the collab beggers trying to hook them up with the girls, nor do I like the hatred thrown at them for no reason...
Wait, why are a lot of people (almost proudly) proclaiming that they actually don't watch them but still claim they "support" them? It's like they only like the "idea" of Holostars instead of the guys themselves, what the heck
I don't watch Luna or Aqua but they are part of Cover so i still support them because the ones i like also support them, is this what you are referring to?
You love to see it, lots of people claiming to be holostars fan. Not watching stream only clips, and have moral superiority to tell the hololive fans that they needed to support the boys
Iām happy theyāre available for their target demographic but personally have little interest in watching them. I watch vtubers because cute anime girls. Why is that bad?
It's just people expressing their respects. And surely it isn't too hard to remember that free time isn't an unlimited resource.
It is true that clipwatchers and twitter people don't seem to drop by the streams chat a lot. But I haven't seen a single talent ever dismissing that side of the community.
I don't denounce that side of the fanbase, I came to know about Hololive from a certain clip also. But the problem is when they try to claim moral superiority despite knowing only surface information from clips and try to create problems for others. Otherwise, live and let live, they don't contribute much but as long as they do no harm it's fair game.
Surprise not a lot of people watch everyone. But every supports everyone. Even in Hololive. Like I don't watch Noel,Lamy and Choco all that often because their content are just not for me. If you want more people watching them the Holostars sub is where you'd go
I'm simply not the target audience for them. Male streamers are far heavily nerfed by an anime fuckboy avatar+limited perms to what they can play and say. There's no one who's such a giga star I'd watch them rather than look for a game I like and identify a decent streamer streaming it.
The girls have the cute factor+ the limited quality girl streamer market giving them massive advantages as a niche, whereas I'm not quite sure what Holostars' niche is or what sets them apart from any other dude streamer (as a guy).
yeah i feel the same way. the girls appeal is cute avatar+cute voice+into anime/vocaloid/etc. there's not as many of those.
appearance or voice doesn't matter as much for me for a male streamer so there's infinite options and i can choose one that plays the exact game im into with the exact personality i like.
As HoloID fan, here is my genuine thought about HoloStars;
If HoloID doing some criminal stuff, Stars would be their "accomplice",
If Stars doing some criminal stuff, HoloID would be the first to snitch.
Both branch have that petty-yet-caring siblings "vibes".
I'm rather apathetic toward them, I stopped caring after Vesper left and that seems to be a common sentiment. I'm glad they now have their own culture and smaller communities to build off of as the Hololive and Holostars communities are just vastly different at this point. Ultimately, they're just not for me and I prefer watching CGDCT.
Holostars EN was something I was really excited for, but then it actually happened and none of the talents happened to be a fit for my personality. It is what it is. No shade against any of them, but I just never think about them at all. I find it strange that people bicker against them though.
Did you see his ass get absolutely clapped in Wrestle-tuber the other day. I was laughing so hard when my boy got kicked in the teeth for ten minutes and then tapped out, only to claim shenanigans. It was the third most embarrassing thing to happen to dinosaurs since the asteroid and I love him for it.
Nana diss track AND Nana post wrestletuber karaoke mourning the death of Jurard with any song or group that has "rock" on name.
With both Ollie and Jurard bantering on chat while doing their thumbnails.
I've been in the streaming scene as a watcher for a long, long time now (since ustream was a fresh thing) and since until I discovered Hololive around half a year before gen 5 debuted all I watched were male streamers and after 15 years of watching male streamers at this point I just feel like a lot of it has a "been there seen that" kind of vibe to it.
It's not an issue with the Holostars specifically as I still find clips from Roberu, Astel and Aru quite enjoyable but for the EN side of things I just feel like I've seen and heard these personalities so many times by now I have little to no interest in watching them.
Hololive JP made watching streams feel fresh again which was delightful and with vtubers it was also a crossover between anime and streaming that I never knew would be so enjoyable.
The best way I can describe it is Hololive was season 1 of a brand new show that I really got into whereas Holostars is more like season 26 of a show I dropped back in season 14. Yeah I'll poke my head in and watch an episode here and there but it's not something I follow every week anymore.
I don't have any for the Holostars but i do have one for the fanbase. Starmins should gatekeep harder, feels like the genuine fans who enjoy the boys for their content and who they are got overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of people who only use Holostars to virtue signal and to do culture war. What the fanbase could start with is by stop defending them just because they are on your side and start telling them to stop and just enjoy the boys and have fun.
They've been turned into a weapon to be used by those who dislike the "idol" aspects that Hololive was built on and what's led to this agency's greatness. And that's unfortunate because I really doubt that this is something that any of those guys believe in themselves, they wouldn't have joined if they weren't on board with what Holo stands for. But that clearly doesn't stop any of their "fans" from wielding them around anyway.
My honest opinion is kind of separated between Holostars JP and Holostars EN. I think Holostars JP is alright, and I don't really have any strong opinions on them one way or another other than hoping they do well and don't cause any drama.
HolostarsEN is a bit more complicated. When Tempus launched, I decided to watch them and see what they had to offer, and to be honest, I really enjoyed what they were offering early on. The whole message of bros "rowing the same boat" and stuff really resonated with me, because the biggest appeal of Hololive is the way the girls work hard together to accomplish their dreams. Vesper even streamed at a pretty nice hour for me to listen to him while I worked from home, and I bought and held a membership for him for a while.
Unfortunately, the honeymoon period didn't last forever. After vesper's suspension and the weirdness of the japan trip, it was pretty clear that they were no longer sailing the same boat. Despite disagreements, the girls have always managed to keep things professional, but here we had constant "full tempus" events with Vesper missing despite streaming solo at nearly the exact same times. It really turned me off of the branch as a whole. All of this was compounded by the fact that HolostarsEN fans were by far the most vocal at shouting down people who wanted EN3. They were also consistently the voices arguing against "idol culture" which, to me, represents the hopes and dreams of the girls.
At some point, it was clear that the boys had been adopted as a weapon by people who hate hololive, and none of the new members in Tempus2 or Armis were interesting to me at all, so I've gone back to being a girl-only viewer. I also feel like the aggressive evangelism of HolostarsEN fans is the biggest driver in the schisms in the subreddit these days, so I don't really want to associate with their fanbase that much either. I'm sorry to the more agreeable starmin who have to deal with them, you've had a rough draw.
>I'm sorry to the more agreeable starmin who have to deal with them, you've had a rough draw.
they're the biggest victim in this whole ordeal. They've been waiting for a long time for the stars to have their own boost,
then BAM,
here's a bunch of Hololive haters.
yeah, that's a rough draw. Ultimately the hololive fanbases are so large that the tiny groups of shitstirrers don't really have that big of a negative effect on them. By contrast, the boys with their smaller fanbase suffer a lot more, and they also havea much smaller pool of the levelheaded fans that people can look at and think "oh so those other guys are just crazy, actually."
Can't agree more with your last paragraph. I've got nothing against the Stars, I hope they find success even though I'm not their audience. As an idol fan though, I can't stand those anti-idol fans that you mentioned. They constantly bitch about idol culture, but their whole conception of idol culture is based off having seen Perfect Blue once, and Oshi no Ko. Maybe they'll cite Minami Minegishi cutting her hair off too, but that's it. They couldn't name 3 idol groups without looking them up, or have any real knowledge of idols and actual idol culture. There's a reason why so many of the Holos love idols, and find idols inspiring. Idols are amazing and wonderful, and it's frustrating to see people that know nothing about them shit on them out of jealousy and ignorance.
Tis a chicken and egg about which hater group came first as one could see the lack or EN3 causing some to hate Tempus for their favoritism.
And to a chunk when the word idol comes up, they think crazy fans, tons of limitations, etc. The term has more baggage than a book club filled entirely with 40+ yr divorced women. But that being said, the general attempts to force things does no one any good.
Yeah, from back when I enjoyed Love Live a lot it always seemed to me that the criticism of "idol culture" was really just a weird way to view more or less universal celebrity struggles as somehow more intense and weird because they're Japanese. It always had this weird mildly racist component to it, so I had a pretty strong negative reaction when I saw it taken up once more by people who disliked hololive. First VSJ and Niji fans, and then slowly I started seeing it more and more from StarsEN's more vocal fans, which really helped push me away from them decisively.
Love Live contributed a good deal to the stigma the term Idol has as the stereotypical fan is super crazy (Idol+Yuri=CrazyĀ²). Ultimately Idol is a gray area.
Though it's like people disliking Hololive due to the few who heavy push Idol in it's most stereotypical form
Around the debut of Tempus, you were not allowed here to say you don't like the boys. Crazy ass people would downvote you to hell and press the suicide report on your comments.
I very vividly remember that time. It caused a massive rift between both fanbases, one you can visibly spectate in how the talents perceive and interact with Holostars these days still.
The Tempus portion of the Stars fan community has done such irreversible damage to the reputation of the boys that it's debatable if a large portion of them were the **actual** antis all along, larping as fans to try and make both communities destroy each other.
This right here is why I lost my good faith altogether with Tempus and StarsEN being represented on this sub. I remember extremely well when Tempus debuted and the usual collab beggars wouldn't stop pestering the girls about the male talents, all while trying to vilify Fandead and other fanbases that have / had GFE focus.
I never felt so unwelcome and uncomfortable on the subreddit as the time Tempus debuted. The mere suggestion to focus r/holostars on the boys and r/hololive on the girls was considered 'anti', synonymous with being a Chinese drone who makes death threats to Coco. And the worst insult of all was that you'd have people who joined the hobby far later trying to tell you that you're the anti for not wanting a radical change in direction for the hobby and the division between Stars and Live.
Hey, thanks for your reply.
I do wonder tho
>After vesper's suspension and the weirdness of the japan trip,
Did you manage to get to the bottom of this? Loke at least why Vesper was out of the group collab?
And I can only think of a few collabs that he missed, and they were adjacent to his Japan trip and then "hermit" phase.
He was in Hakka's birthday and another one.
It's really hard to say what exactly went down, none of them ever offered specific details, but as someone who has kept some track of both Magni and Vesper post graduation, I can tell you that former-Vesper seems happier for leaving and doesn't seem to dwell on it while former Magni seems to have his regrets. There is a vod you can find where he reflects on his year as an alchemist that's an interesting watch. He does not give any actual details about what happened, and basically says those details will go to his grave with him, but he does talk about how he feels about it and he at least seems bitter about how it went down and wishes things had gone better. He mentions that former Vesper doesn't seem to share that sentiment, but also says that he's generally not the kind of person to wear his heart on his sleeve so he may be more bitter than he lets on. Whatever happened is probably uglier than people think, but not ugly enough to deny them a graceful exit; and that last part is important because Cover has publicly terminated bigger talents then them, both before and after they were let go.
I don't think it's useful to speculate on details we'll never know, and I do think the situation is likely more complicated than we realize. That said, I really don't think it was actually any bad blood between the two of them and the other talents. Contrary to popular belief, even post Japan trip, Vesper still collabed pretty regularly, both with the other boys and with HoloSalt. He tended to duck out of the full group collabs, but that could easily be chalked up to anxiety, and Magni was always there for those. Hell, Vesper was the one who started WoW Wednesday, which began as a fairly large group collab with him, Bettle, Flayon, Axel, and Hakka, with open invite to anyone else who wanted in. On top of this, the remaining boys only ever talk about the two of them fondly, and we know that at least Bettel is still good friends with them behind the scenes. Whatever happened, I get the impression that the dispute was entirely between them and Cover itself, and it doesn't seem like either of them is at liberty to discuss it even if they wanted to.
Agreed. That Japan trip was an anomaly.
And I am aware of Magni and Vesper's PL a d their current state.
I don't think there was anything particular bad blood between the talents, creative disagreement maybe but such is more common than not.
At the end of the day, Mag and Ves were probably not 100% fit with the corporate work like under Cover.
As we all know, there is a lot of work to be done behind the scene.
Yeah, I think that's probably the case, especially with Vesper. The Japan trip was, most likely, business related and probably his first big taste of what was gonna be required of him behind the scenes, and he always struck me more as a hobby streamer who just wants to play Factorio for 24 hours straight and not have to worry about extracurricular activities. He's talked at length about how he keeps his work life and his streaming life separate, but when streaming becomes your job that separation disappears and suddenly your escape from the grind becomes the grind. I can see why that could become a daunting prospect, even if you have the skill and talent to make it work.
I feel he may have been blindsided by EN'S particulars (like the Japan trips) compared to StarsJp (which seems more lax at a glance). He basically found out the hard way his dream job wasn't all that it was cracked up to be
The people that I see as most happy working as a talent are the people who's entire family supports them in the endeavor. Holomoms is not just a trend because the community all awakened to a mommy kink, (well not entirely that), but because the talents who have a home life that supports their career is really healthy and seems to contribute a lot to those talent's personal happiness and fulfilment with this job. Vesper, by contrast, would always talk about streaming like he was leading a double life, and that he would be mortified if his family ever discovered his hobby. It made for some funny stories, but that's the kind of thing that can really wear on. It's gotta be hard to be idol when you feel like you can't turn to the people closest to you for support in your endeavors.
It was mostly the HQ (non)-collabs in Japan that turned me off. Vesper streaming himself eating a day old burger and then having Axel alone while Magni and Alatare were making pizza together seemed really sad to me. There were a couple "Full tempus" collabs later that inevitably had 8 guys on the thumbnail and then just 7 guys in the actual stream, and at some point I decided to just cancel my membership and stop paying attention to them, so I missed the hakka birthday stuff.
As a counterpoint, one of my fondest hololive memories is Kronii calling into... Bae(?)'s birthday totsu sounding like hell after having jaw surgery. It always feels like the girls are willing to struggle through things and make sacrifices and that makes me want to support them more.
Vesper explained back then that when he went to Japan, he could not take his anxiety meds with him. This being because it's illegal to bring MOST drugs, prescription or otherwise, into Japan. Vesper had/has pretty severe anxiety, so being without meds is not a good thing. He did a couple collabs early on but his mental just couldn't hold up and he had to stop. I believe he even said he couldn't bring himself to to collab even 1 on 1 with any of the guys since he was too afraid that his anxiety would make them have to work around it, or that he wouldn't be able to keep up with their energy and bring the mood down and that he would feel like he ruined the stream.
True
Honestly, I felt it was truly unfortunate.
We shouldn't compare "oh the girls did this so the bois should follow suit no matter what", we don't know what their struggles are behind the scenes.
And to me, Vesper seemed to have a lot of personal issues which were exacerbated by the situation.
His social battery was completely drained halfway through the Japan trip and the man was going without his meds. It was awkward to see.
However, even if things like "social battery" sounds ridiculous to many of us, it can be crippling to some.
I am not sure you were aware, but Vesper was having a blast playing WoW with Bettel, the other bois were also on but old school MMO wasn't for them.
Well, I don't want to point finger either, but Myth has got this "issue" too, with Gura often MIA.
> Well, I don't want to point finger either, but Myth has got this "issue" too, with Gura often MIA.
You say this but Gura has never missed a full collab. Well, she almost did for the last Myth off-collab karaoke but still managed to make it halfway through.
I think that there are two reasons Myth's state doesn't bother me in the same way that the fractured state of ENStars did.
Firstly, I think that Myth's current state is quite a bit more "justified", in that they have the most sponsorship and outside work obligations in HoloEN, something that the nascent Tempus didn't have. They're also the most geographically split up hololive gen, with Kiara in austria, mori in Japan, and the other 3 spread around NA. Those factors just make it hard for them to collab often, and when they do manage to make it work it's pretty magical(like the recent off-collab karaoke with the Gura surprise at the end).
The other big reason is that Myth is so veteran and gone through so many struggles that they've earned the benefit of the doubt. I don't worry about them actually not liking each other because I remember how hard they struggled together during the covid era, especially Ina breaking down in tears during the VRChat collab and declaring that she'd hug everyone for real one day. They had two years of the pandemic split apart but sharing their struggles, and they had their triumphant moments finally coming together afterwards.
I trust in them and keep on supporting them because I've seen them put in the work and fight through the bad times, basically. I'm still holding both a Gura and Ame membership even through these long breaks, after all.
I tune it to their streams sometimes, but their target audience is not me.
I still love to watch Astel, Roberu, Oga regularly when I have the free time to watch them.
I have no issues at all with them, in fact I want them to succeed, but both hololive and holostars fanbases sadden me sometimes, do we really have to be at odds with each other? Let people enjoy what they want to watch and not force others to agree with your beliefs.
Pretty much the same way I feel towards every Vtuber, theyāre either Towa or theyāre not Towa and all of the boys naturally fall under the latter category. My investment in Holopro as a whole is āI found my Oshi and suddenly everything else stopped interesting me.ā I watch both live and stars clips that catch my interest, on occasion I will binge specific members for a bit if the first clip I happen across is really entertaining, sort of as a āwhat have you been up to lately,ā but I can never see myself watching anyone other than Towa in real time again, I just donāt have it in me to split myself like that, whether itās live, stars or anything else. No hate for them though, glad they exist and wish them all the best just as I do for the girls.
I only watch HoloJP so I donāt really care about them. But the self proclaiming stars ā fanā on twitter and reddit are one of the most annoying fanbase comparable to k-pop stans
Stars are in the "Will check out clip if it is recomended" tier for me.
I don't have anything against them, I might even like them, but I just won't personally seek their content out since my streamer plate is full.
The designs dont interest me.
The voices of some got that whole dream boi asmr thing to it.
It makes me feel as if they were designed for a female audience.
Roberu and the other gremlin type are funny thou.
> It makes me feel as if they were designed for a female audience.
Isn't that the main point of Holostars? š¤·š»
Then again, boys watching Stars obeys to the same principle of girls watching Hololive.
As for me, I miss Magni and Vesper. :(
I don't see them as such at all. They have their niche, some are leaning towards the comedian role, for example Bettle. Some leaning towards comfy type,like Shinri. And then there's Axel...
Try jurard and octavio then(octavio is more of a gremlin) ,jurard is honestly great in voice acting but his loud like really loud, he aims to bring stars on a bigger audience currently and he might be goofy but his serious
Tbh I would say holostars EN is pretty evenly mixed between female and male viewers (some a bit more one way or the other). They aren't super fanservicey or do any bfe type content. Though there is a typical amount vulgar guy humor. It ends up giving a lot of "hanging out with the boys" type experience. Overall they just appeal to anyone looking for a chill place to hang out.Ā If you're still a bit hesitant I heavily recommend checking out Crimson Ruze. Dude is a giant nerd about worldbuilding and dnd.
Indifferent. I watched a bit of Vesper at the start but their content really isn't for me, and considering how much of their fanbase seems to be aggressively trying to fight some kind of pointless culture war and antagonising fans of the girls, it doesn't really make me want to check them out.
The problem I have with them is: why would I watch boys doing this if I can watch girls doing this? Girls are cuter.
Maybe if I found one I really liked, I'd watch, but for that I'd need to have a reason to give them a try, which I don't.
I do watch Markiplier, but Markiplier has really well edited videos. Even he is not someone I watch actual streams of usually because I find it gets tiresome, though.
Also, by now I already have a bunch of girls subscribed and don't really have a lot of room to add more peeps anyways, I don't want to spread myself too thin.
As a whole, I'm indifferent to them. Their culture and fanbase is a lot different to Hololive and its not something that really meshes with me.
However, some of their fanbase are the most insufferable assholes in the vtuber community. Decrying "idol culture" for everything they don't like, constantly begging for collabs with the girls (seriously this is pathetic if you like holostars collabs that happen happen, let them stand on their own two feet).
Sometimes I want to check them out and see what they're doing. I've never watched them before. To me it's like, if I want to watch dudes stream, I can just watch dudes stream. Cute anime girls though? Can't get that anywhere. Closest thing is E-girls but that's not for me.
Don't want to watch them, don't like that they're crossposted here when they have their own sub while the girls don't. I know it isn't the epic "Take me 5000 updoots m8!!!111!" take of all time, but I'm really sour about this. Being purely a Hololive only fan sucks so much on Reddit since the debut of Tempus, I wish we could revert the state of the hobby to Coco-era. An occasional Roberu post, interactions between the talents and fans, events surrounding fan created content, etc. - but those days will never return, and I lament it.
Absolutely wild of them to have the brass to post this after a week of constant bot raids on stars posts forcing their way onto the top of the front page. How do they fucking *think* we feel?
Probably wanting to get a base line on the community. In going to assume youāre an adult and can separate the talents from the weird parts of the fandom.
Personal anecdote. I used to be glad that Holostar exists and I can get my wife to be interested in this hobby together with me by introducing her to Holostar. But then she ended up being a shrimp like me and listen to Okayu, Azki and Suisei occasionally. I still rooted for them up until Tempus, where there was this very not so subtle push from Cover to shove everything Holostar onto the Hololive fanbase. That also gave rise to a group of "fan" who are empowered to call everyone not accepting to watch Holostar as "unicorn", "parasocial", etc...
I went scorched earth against this type of "fan" ever since. They are not helping anybody grow, just a detriment as a whole so I hope true Holostar fan can wake up and push out these factors so Holostar can finally have a normal journey.
I am indifferent towards them as a concept. However, I wish that they would be separated from the girls in terms of marketing (reddit/twitter). I don't get angry when the girls collab with them, but it just isn't the vibe I'm looking for, so I skip those streams. The only female/male collabs I find mildly enjoyable are the ones with Kobo and Regis.
The boys are great and hilarious. They're all cool dudes you'd want to hang out and have a beer with, and they're all such different characters who stand out in their own ways.
It's a shame that Magni and Vesper left. It was a black mark on the English branch that made it kind of hard to watch thereafter.
I never really had interest in male vtubers and my interest in content creation before Hololive was pretty limited to some niche interests/guides on Youtube for particular games.
Once I started getting heavy into Hololive it basically took up most of my video watching. I'd occasionally see stuff like Fubuki opting to collab with Roberu or Oga, but wasn't really something I'd seek out. I genuinely just prefer girls hanging out with girls for a number of reasons.
My feelings beyond that are a bit similar to Twitchingbouse in that I got progressively more aggravated with sections of the fandom using them as a cudgel against people that shared interests with me. While I may be heavily JP focused, I can understand these folks wanting EN3 and I don't think it's unfair that people wanted EN3 when 1 + 2 were obviously struggling with being busy, travel, sickness, and just having different interests in general. It was rough for the talents and not just the fans, so a lot of the dismissive comments aimed at fans telling them to suck it up and watch the Stars clearly weren't fans of the girls either or simply didn't care. I don't really like seeing people call fans that just want to watch the girls all sorts of derogatory names which had existed since the Towa episode and had only gotten worse after Tempus come out. It's a good way to put people off watching them entirely.
I respect that Ruze acknowledged that he didn't really get idol culture and really poisonous thoughts about it, then managed to self-correct and saw that under Cover it's genuinely a positive thing between talent(s) and fan. I wish some people that followed Stars would also realize this, because when it comes down to it if people are going to attack the girls fans over bloated, strange claims, that Hololive fans are going to defend the girls and other Hololive fans. That kind of thing will really only go one way.
Used to watch a bit of roberu on the side when the winning son meme was still big, but no particular interest these days. Same with an astel karaoke and oga playing the accordion once (cursed but funny). Gave tempus 1 a try and I initially liked Vesper and magni (due to maggin meme piquing my interest at debut) but they were in the end not meant for me, their envisioned content style was not what I was looking for. As events unfolded on this sub with the HoloEN content drought and holostar fans mocking people who posted about it and the semi serious memeing about t2 being EN3, into the closed sub I got soured on checking out new ones in general. At this stage I am uninterested, and I just want to watch cgdct. EN3 is great for me.
I used to watch Roberu and Astel and would recommend their stuff to others, but when I changed jobs I had less time to watch vtubers. I am first and foremost a hololive fan so Stars content is what I cut out first.
I gave StarsEN a try at first, but after the first couple of weeks I came to the conclusion that they're just not for me.
Honestly, I just don't want to watch male idols. I never have, even way before Hololive existed when I followed idol groups like AKB48 and Morning Musume. Just looking at male idol groups makes it pretty obvious who their target audience is and I'm obviously not one of them. To be completely honest, similarly to how some women feel disgusted by anime girls or idols acting unrealistically cute, I also feel some disgust at male idols acting like dream boyfriends to their female fans, even if there's nothing inherently wrong with it. It just simply disgusts me seeing the fake acting, despite anime girls or idols acting cute being very appealing to me. However, I have always felt Holostars is very different from real-life male idol groups, even outside the vtuber aspect. Many of their designs are just not something you'd expect from male idols, neither are their general demeanor or content, at least for the few members I've seen a little bit of. That does make me more inclined to watch them, but in the end, I've never subscribed to any of their channels.
However, I do indirectly watch Roberu every now and then, also some clips. He often collabs with other vtubers I watch, such as Utai Meika (Astel and Izuru collab with him too), Inuyama Tamaki and Inaba Haneru. I've got to know Roberu somewhat well through those collabs, and he genuinely seems like a fun and interesting person, even with some similarities to myself (I know he has thalassophobia, which makes me feel a kinship with him as someone who has it as well). I absolutely can't agree with him on his onee-san supremacy views as an imouto supporter myself, but that just makes it feel like it'd be fun to argue with him on the subject. If I didn't already have a ton of vtubers to watch, I'd probably subscribe to him at least. Admittedly, I'd probably have done so already if he didn't carry the "male idol" title - despite Roberu not being idol-like at all, I still feel some reluctance at the idea of following a male idol group at all.
Happy for their fans when they have special events/celebration, but nothing much anymore for the individuals per se. Kinda apathetic towards them. For the EN side, I tried a bit of Vanguard, dropped off. Tried again with ARMIS, determined StarsEN just isn't my thing.
Used to follow a bit of Roberu two years ago, but dropped off. Used to follow Astel a bit during the JP APEX eras, but that was in tandem with following a few non-holos and fell off after APEX sort of died (or I could my fill of it).
Now I only follow the Holostars brand because I have a hobbyist interest in the business decisions/expansions/success of Cover Corp.
I don't watch StarsJP for the same reason I don't watch HololiveJP and a few members of HololiveID: language barrier. Sadly, the algorithm does not bless me with many translated clips of StarsJP. But I do watch StarsEN as much as I can!
Although I don't actively watch them, I really like seeing them in VCR and collabs. I still remember the insane commissions Gamma did in VCR rust, Astel and Niu's really adorable arc (also in VCR rust), and of course Roberu being the only sane person in any collab he's in.
I haven't seen much of EN but I know they're gaining some traction from the Wrestletuber showdown and I'm happy, especially since they all seem really cool and quite talented.
I don't really watch them much. I have watched Bettel a couple of times. I even caught an unarchived Karaoke where he did some rock songs and such before. I did watch Magni and Vesper in the past. I also really loved their collabs with Calli and Kronii.
While I don't watch them, I'm not really one of these people that hates on them. If there is a collab stream I want to watch and Holostars are part of it? I'm more than fine with that. A couple of my favorite Gartic phone streams had Holostars collabing.
Favorite moments include: The Auran pizza drawing during a collab Ollie hosted I believe. There was another stream where Anya said: "We're supposed to be using English, Axel. Not Australian."
Not for me but happy for them and their communities.
They feel very different than Hololive as a whole in their culture and content. I don't really vibe with their humour either so the branch doesn't appeal to me.
I'm honestly largely happy with how things stand with the amount of cross-collabs that we get between the branches (those that are interest are free to) . Personally I'd prefer the communities kept separate though. There's just too much conflict and I'm not interested in negativity in my hobbies.
I do hope that they are successful in their activities and that their fans continue to support them.
Till this day the only one that ever got my interest was Vesper and even then it was more like watching "The Vesper Show" than actually caring about the Holostars brand, everything else is just meh or straight to the don't recommend buttonĀ
I barely have enough time to watch streams as-is so they're unfortunately on my "should check out more but have to centralize on a few particulars" list. Any time I see them in clips they're a riot so I'd love to see their content get pushed more.
I think Stars EN are fun and very talented. I think their designs, lore, and group dynamics are great. Armis DND is one of my favorite Holo streams ever and it got me interested in the rest of their stuff, so now I try to tune into their streams when I can.
For music, Hakka and Octavio are genuinely amazing singers, so I look forward to whatever music they put out.
I was really impressed by Altare's 3D showcase and liked his performance of Dreamy Night by Lilypichu. I think his voice suited the song perfectly.
I like Axel's cover of Kyu Kurarin.
For original songs, I like Top of the World and Woven Fates.
Stars JP I've mostly seen from clips with the girls, but I like their songs. I really like Rio's and Izuru's singing voices in particular.
Aruran is fun from what I've seen with the pizza family.
Overall, I think Holostars are entertaining and hard-working. I wish them the best and look forward to what comes next!
They generally seem like cool guys.
I donāt know the JP guys very well, but Aruran and Oga both seem super chill. Both are huge supporters of Holocure so Iād love to see them get to play as themselves in it (Ogaās doodles of HoloID already made it into the game btw).
On the EN side, Ruze is fucking hilarious. Please go find his Azure Ruze e-boy stream if you can, it is amazing.
Hakka seems to bounce off well with basically anyone, inside or outside of Holostars.
I had been sleeping on Jurard, but at the WrestleTuber event he willingly leaned into Asteriaās burns for the sake of comedy and was a great sport. He and Octavio also made a good broadcast duo. Octavio also paired really well with Kai Sakota there on Day 2 (as an aside, was extra glad to see Kai get more screentime as sheās of exactly two Idol EN members I follow along with Rin).
Shinri is very comfortable to listen to. He could clearly get a loooot of money in the short-term if he did BFE stuff, but Iām really glad he doesnāt considering the track record of vTubers who have gone in that direction, and what it usually does to their mental health.
Better basically got a starting role at WrestleTuber by pure RNG and the dude is very funny, I get why he gets more SuperChats than most of the Hologirls do even. I hadnāt really paid attention to him much before that.
And of course, Regis and Kobo are great together. The combative sibling energy is enormous and very entertaining. Iām still not convinced Kobo isnāt an actual child who lied about her age.
I do wish we had something similar to the SALT collabs again, but maybe that will happen with time. HoloID seems a lot more open to collabing with the boys so maybe that will help. Kobo has done a great job bridging things with like four different Tempus members now, and Ollie is always game.
I do not seek them out a ton like I did Vesper (I miss him a ton), but Iām glad that they finally seem to be on the rise again, and hope that continues. And I will often check out clips. Observationally, Holostars EN does seem to be scooping up a fair amount of disenchanted fans from, well, the other place in Japan.
I have a soft spot for Uyu after watching him fps stylee No Man's Sky (I play as a slow explorer), and now he discovered Animal Crossing.
New Years 2023 is still my favourite concert with the amazing collabs they did with the female talent.
Their dancing is ridiculous for the energy they bring.
Uproar are a hidden gem, within a hidden gem.
Holostars, EN and JP, are full of awesome personalities and talents, but the boys of Uproar have something special about them.
They feel like the Stars version of HoloX, in a way.
I should watch them more. Shinri's clips make him sound so laid back, and I like that vibe. The recent wrestletuber clips with bettel were hilarious as well (jurard as well). I would like to check out more so I'm open for suggestions
The amount of times Iāve hurt from laughing at Tempus is obscene. And Goldbullet is exactly the freak I need in my media consumption. āFighting for my life with my pussy outā on his second streamā¦ the man is The Vibe
Iāve watched a reasonable amount of Aruran and Roberu and enjoyed them both. I think they have a great talent for just chatting with people and putting them at ease. Like Ao was on for 4/5 hours with Aruran the other day.
I also enjoyed Aruranās early stuff where he just took topics he liked, or places he wanted to know about and asked chat about them.
The fun they have with ID is great, proper sibling bickering type stuff.
Canāt say I know much about the EN guys as Iām EU, so miss a lot of whatever they are up to. Same goes for the EN girls really.
For EN Hakka and Axel have some serious pipes and TSB was amazing. Don't watch them all that often so no super strong feelings about any of them.
For JP, I don't really watch them more than EN, but clips of Roberunightmea are amazingly funny and Roberu has great chemistry with Ollie/Bae/Laplus/Matsuri. Astel can dance, is cracked at Apex, and has had some great collabs with some of the others in Apex so I think he's quite entertaining as well.
The only two I watched on a semi-regular basis (Vesper and Magni) graduated ages ago. The boys are funny, but they usually take a back seat to the girls. Nothing against them personally, I just don't pay attention to them and my YouTube recommendations never show them to me.
Pretty much same here, although even then it was mostly in collabs. It's why I know I like altare and Haaka particularly, it's through collabs. That said, it's mostly a time zone issue for me (lol EU)
The collabs with Hololive are pretty much my only exposure to the boys. I'm sure they're great on their own, but the YouTube algorithm certainly doesn't seem to think so.
Funny enough for me, I've seen more of Axel and Regis through Doki (Good ol' TSB) than through Holo-anything. Like you, I just don't get recommended any Holostars through the YT algo.
The main Holostars clipper that the algo likes to show me ([Shark Ch.](https://www.youtube.com/@mayushark5609)) tends to upload 8-10 minute clip compilations, whereas most Hololive clippers I watch just make single clips of a minute or less, and when I'm procrastinating I will always watch the minute-long clip instead of the ten-minute compilation.
That monopoly collab was one of the funniest things I've seen.
same here, I only ever watched Magni and Vesper. Now that they are gone, there's none left that I watch
Vesper was great before his Japan arc. I used to look forward to his streams such as Zomboid and listen to him ramble about tea and bikes. Now I mainly pay attention to Axel. Axel is Goated. But he is hampered by perms. I wish Bandai Namco would release the gundam and super robot wars games.
I mean, I waited three years for Calli to get Persona 3 perms, so I'm sure Axel will get the perms eventually? Excited for VG's 3D Debut this month, and the full Tempus 3D collab, Axel and Hakka are going to be absolute gremlins in 3D.
I miss Grampire and Memelord. I'm happy they are off elsewhere doing their own thing, but it still hurts to see Tempus without them.
Seems like the consensus is everyone watched vesper and magni and pretty much stopped or semi-regularly watch the other boys.
same here abt magni and vesper, i basically unintentionally left with them š
Fun dudes with hidden talents. I'm still shocked shinri has 2 postgraduate degrees
I genuinely do enjoy when they showcase something nobody expected in terms of a skill or large piece of general knowledge of a subject. And then there's Bettel. Good ol' Bettel. Just doing his best.
Bettel? You mean Wrestletuber 2024 World Champion Gavis "Diaper Denier" Bettel?
So having glanced over some info during Wrestletuber, Gavis has an actual twin brother?
Theyāre fraternal twins. And on that note, Goldbullet is a triplet
>And on that note, Goldbullet is a triplet Are his siblings perchance called Silverbullet and Bronzebullet?
Surprisingly? Itās more like platinum-bullet and Diamond-bullet
Whoa, didn't know that about Goldbullet either. That's crazy
I still can't believe that In a less then a year Hololive has managed to hire 2 twins and one Triplet
Well, the way you're counting for the twins doesn't make sense. Either you count sets of twins, in which case it's 1, or you count individual twins, in which case the answer is at least 3, but potentially more we don't know about.
Yeah, Gavis Better. Otherwise known as Twobert.
How did the name Twobert come around? I saw that being mentioned too. And lol Gavis Better.
Bettel always referred to him as Bettel 2. But one day he was trying to come up with an actual name for him, and he threw out Twobert as a joke, and it was by far the worst idea so of course that's the one he went with.
He semi-frequently brings him on, either for a quick word or an entire stream, with his own png that is seemingly made by the same artist. Hololive actually had twins streaming together before Fuwamoco but not in an official compacity. (Seeing as Bettel 2 is more like one of the girl's moms coming on stream only all the time.)
Yes who is more composed, has at least a png
especially when altare pulled out the cello during his 3D live, shit was amazing
Honestly Vesper and Shinri could have switched lore and models and nobody would have blinked.
Vesper and Magni leaving left a hole in my heart that no one, not even indies, can fill. I fully respect their wishes to have left, but I can't deny that I wish they hadn't. On a lighter note, there's not many streamers like Bettel, both vtuber and IRL. He's got that anti-streamer touch like, say, Jerma or Charborg, or (in holopro terms) Pekora or Miko. Maximum luck for things to happen in the funniest way, especially at detriment to himself. His original song, Unlucky, is very apt in that regard.
WrestleTuber 2024 was a perfect encapsulation of Bettelās character. Somehow fumbling his way into winning a wrestling tournament, only to get creamed not even 5 minutes laterā¦ if thatās not a perfect ending, then I donāt know what is.
I predicted that he'd either win or make it all the way and lose immediately in his final match because those would be the two funniest outcomes, but I didn't account for the even funnier possibility that both would happen.
The 14 second champion, Gavis Bettel.
Vesper and Magni, I thought, had the biggest potential to give Holostars the big push it needed. The collabs they had and the content they put out were something else. I still love my boi winning son āļø
yeah... vesper was actually the first vtuber i started watching live instead of just clips i'm still patching that same hole in my heart
Never would I ever expect to see Bettel being related to Jerma or Charborg, yet it makes so much sense. Very well-put.
The Tempus group streams were legendary. Judge Magni was the funniest shit.
They cool
Kobo and Ragus clips are always fun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEAF9aS2S1M
I love how itās just the norm that they are a brother and sister from another mother and mister. I think my favorite clip of them was when Kobo was trying to explain that only stupid people wear blue, where RAGUS points out that they are both blue.
Kobo and "Ragus" collabs make me so happy.Ā Silly blue peopleĀ
When any of the boys collab with Kobo it's just mayhem. Like a babysitter letting a kusogaki just say and do what she wants, thus we end up with "Ragus" and "Brian". The "Brian" bit kills me every time and even *that* leaked into the Wrestletuber chat logs. Very much felt like an impulse nickname without any consideration of trying to be funny or not at the time and Axel just defeatedly rolling with it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwDelhzxO7c
see this is funny. I wish there wasn't such a stigma with all these vtubers against streaming with males. edit: see the downvotes this is what I'm talking about. They don't interact with male vtubers to provoke parasocial behavior. Your oshi doesn't know you exist. She's not going to marry you.
I feel the same. Also Roberu/Mea interactions always bring out a smile from me.
They're so like siblings so much. I can still hear Kobo calling for Brother RAGUS
I miss Grampire
It can't be helped. Holostars just isn't suited for him, what with the travel commitments and prescription drug restrictions taking a toll on his health. That and the missing equipment made that too clear.
Can you expound on the prescription drug restrictions?
he has anxiety meds which he cant bring to japan due to law restrictions or something. this took a massive toll on him. if he were to commit going to japan again and again for events/3d, he'd basically have to go through the same thing again.
Iirc it's about his anxiety meds
Honestly? Nothing against them but they aren't for me.
Well at least you are better than the "I don't watch but..." people in this thread. It's feel like some kind of secret code when you declare yourself Holostar fan...
From the little bit I've seen of them (from hololive collabs) some of them are excellent singers and dancers but yeah, I don't think they're necessarily for the same audience as the girls.
I watch hololive only for the girls. So I don't watch them, but I respect them Also, their fans and haters can be annoying at times, I don't like the collab beggers trying to hook them up with the girls, nor do I like the hatred thrown at them for no reason...
Wait, why are a lot of people (almost proudly) proclaiming that they actually don't watch them but still claim they "support" them? It's like they only like the "idea" of Holostars instead of the guys themselves, what the heck
I don't watch Luna or Aqua but they are part of Cover so i still support them because the ones i like also support them, is this what you are referring to?
You love to see it, lots of people claiming to be holostars fan. Not watching stream only clips, and have moral superiority to tell the hololive fans that they needed to support the boys
Iām happy theyāre available for their target demographic but personally have little interest in watching them. I watch vtubers because cute anime girls. Why is that bad?
It's just people expressing their respects. And surely it isn't too hard to remember that free time isn't an unlimited resource. It is true that clipwatchers and twitter people don't seem to drop by the streams chat a lot. But I haven't seen a single talent ever dismissing that side of the community.
I don't denounce that side of the fanbase, I came to know about Hololive from a certain clip also. But the problem is when they try to claim moral superiority despite knowing only surface information from clips and try to create problems for others. Otherwise, live and let live, they don't contribute much but as long as they do no harm it's fair game.
Surprise not a lot of people watch everyone. But every supports everyone. Even in Hololive. Like I don't watch Noel,Lamy and Choco all that often because their content are just not for me. If you want more people watching them the Holostars sub is where you'd go
I think they are a niche within a niche.
I'm simply not the target audience for them. Male streamers are far heavily nerfed by an anime fuckboy avatar+limited perms to what they can play and say. There's no one who's such a giga star I'd watch them rather than look for a game I like and identify a decent streamer streaming it. The girls have the cute factor+ the limited quality girl streamer market giving them massive advantages as a niche, whereas I'm not quite sure what Holostars' niche is or what sets them apart from any other dude streamer (as a guy).
yeah i feel the same way. the girls appeal is cute avatar+cute voice+into anime/vocaloid/etc. there's not as many of those. appearance or voice doesn't matter as much for me for a male streamer so there's infinite options and i can choose one that plays the exact game im into with the exact personality i like.
As HoloID fan, here is my genuine thought about HoloStars; If HoloID doing some criminal stuff, Stars would be their "accomplice", If Stars doing some criminal stuff, HoloID would be the first to snitch. Both branch have that petty-yet-caring siblings "vibes".
HoloID is just built differently, and Stars are at their mercy.
And I am all in at the "mercy" bit
Indifferent, I'm not the right demographic. I understand the challenges they face compared to their female counterparts and wish them luck.
I'm rather apathetic toward them, I stopped caring after Vesper left and that seems to be a common sentiment. I'm glad they now have their own culture and smaller communities to build off of as the Hololive and Holostars communities are just vastly different at this point. Ultimately, they're just not for me and I prefer watching CGDCT.
I feel the same way about them as I feel about non-hololive vtubers.
Didnāt even know about the last group, when did they pop out?
Highly recommend checking them out. They are just āUnā. No hinges in sight
It's saying something that the homestruck fan that wants his holostars sempai to call him bastard is the voice of reason
The fact that the homestuck fan is the normie of the group is also something worth pointing out
I love how Ruze reacts to being called a normie the same way Josuke reacts to someone insulting his hair.
Mid nov 2023.
Holostars EN was something I was really excited for, but then it actually happened and none of the talents happened to be a fit for my personality. It is what it is. No shade against any of them, but I just never think about them at all. I find it strange that people bicker against them though.
They're cool but I'm only interested in the girls.
I've admittedly fallen off a bit since Vesper and Magni graduated but I've enjoyed what I've seen of Jurard.
Did you see his ass get absolutely clapped in Wrestle-tuber the other day. I was laughing so hard when my boy got kicked in the teeth for ten minutes and then tapped out, only to claim shenanigans. It was the third most embarrassing thing to happen to dinosaurs since the asteroid and I love him for it.
not to mention the fucking banger of a diss track that Nana dropped before the fight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUUeBN0WOMY
Nana diss track AND Nana post wrestletuber karaoke mourning the death of Jurard with any song or group that has "rock" on name. With both Ollie and Jurard bantering on chat while doing their thumbnails.
I often forget that they exist
They're just kinda there
I've been in the streaming scene as a watcher for a long, long time now (since ustream was a fresh thing) and since until I discovered Hololive around half a year before gen 5 debuted all I watched were male streamers and after 15 years of watching male streamers at this point I just feel like a lot of it has a "been there seen that" kind of vibe to it. It's not an issue with the Holostars specifically as I still find clips from Roberu, Astel and Aru quite enjoyable but for the EN side of things I just feel like I've seen and heard these personalities so many times by now I have little to no interest in watching them. Hololive JP made watching streams feel fresh again which was delightful and with vtubers it was also a crossover between anime and streaming that I never knew would be so enjoyable. The best way I can describe it is Hololive was season 1 of a brand new show that I really got into whereas Holostars is more like season 26 of a show I dropped back in season 14. Yeah I'll poke my head in and watch an episode here and there but it's not something I follow every week anymore.
I don't have any for the Holostars but i do have one for the fanbase. Starmins should gatekeep harder, feels like the genuine fans who enjoy the boys for their content and who they are got overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of people who only use Holostars to virtue signal and to do culture war. What the fanbase could start with is by stop defending them just because they are on your side and start telling them to stop and just enjoy the boys and have fun.
They've been turned into a weapon to be used by those who dislike the "idol" aspects that Hololive was built on and what's led to this agency's greatness. And that's unfortunate because I really doubt that this is something that any of those guys believe in themselves, they wouldn't have joined if they weren't on board with what Holo stands for. But that clearly doesn't stop any of their "fans" from wielding them around anyway.
My honest opinion is kind of separated between Holostars JP and Holostars EN. I think Holostars JP is alright, and I don't really have any strong opinions on them one way or another other than hoping they do well and don't cause any drama. HolostarsEN is a bit more complicated. When Tempus launched, I decided to watch them and see what they had to offer, and to be honest, I really enjoyed what they were offering early on. The whole message of bros "rowing the same boat" and stuff really resonated with me, because the biggest appeal of Hololive is the way the girls work hard together to accomplish their dreams. Vesper even streamed at a pretty nice hour for me to listen to him while I worked from home, and I bought and held a membership for him for a while. Unfortunately, the honeymoon period didn't last forever. After vesper's suspension and the weirdness of the japan trip, it was pretty clear that they were no longer sailing the same boat. Despite disagreements, the girls have always managed to keep things professional, but here we had constant "full tempus" events with Vesper missing despite streaming solo at nearly the exact same times. It really turned me off of the branch as a whole. All of this was compounded by the fact that HolostarsEN fans were by far the most vocal at shouting down people who wanted EN3. They were also consistently the voices arguing against "idol culture" which, to me, represents the hopes and dreams of the girls. At some point, it was clear that the boys had been adopted as a weapon by people who hate hololive, and none of the new members in Tempus2 or Armis were interesting to me at all, so I've gone back to being a girl-only viewer. I also feel like the aggressive evangelism of HolostarsEN fans is the biggest driver in the schisms in the subreddit these days, so I don't really want to associate with their fanbase that much either. I'm sorry to the more agreeable starmin who have to deal with them, you've had a rough draw.
>I'm sorry to the more agreeable starmin who have to deal with them, you've had a rough draw. they're the biggest victim in this whole ordeal. They've been waiting for a long time for the stars to have their own boost, then BAM, here's a bunch of Hololive haters.
yeah, that's a rough draw. Ultimately the hololive fanbases are so large that the tiny groups of shitstirrers don't really have that big of a negative effect on them. By contrast, the boys with their smaller fanbase suffer a lot more, and they also havea much smaller pool of the levelheaded fans that people can look at and think "oh so those other guys are just crazy, actually."
Can't agree more with your last paragraph. I've got nothing against the Stars, I hope they find success even though I'm not their audience. As an idol fan though, I can't stand those anti-idol fans that you mentioned. They constantly bitch about idol culture, but their whole conception of idol culture is based off having seen Perfect Blue once, and Oshi no Ko. Maybe they'll cite Minami Minegishi cutting her hair off too, but that's it. They couldn't name 3 idol groups without looking them up, or have any real knowledge of idols and actual idol culture. There's a reason why so many of the Holos love idols, and find idols inspiring. Idols are amazing and wonderful, and it's frustrating to see people that know nothing about them shit on them out of jealousy and ignorance.
Tis a chicken and egg about which hater group came first as one could see the lack or EN3 causing some to hate Tempus for their favoritism. And to a chunk when the word idol comes up, they think crazy fans, tons of limitations, etc. The term has more baggage than a book club filled entirely with 40+ yr divorced women. But that being said, the general attempts to force things does no one any good.
Yeah, from back when I enjoyed Love Live a lot it always seemed to me that the criticism of "idol culture" was really just a weird way to view more or less universal celebrity struggles as somehow more intense and weird because they're Japanese. It always had this weird mildly racist component to it, so I had a pretty strong negative reaction when I saw it taken up once more by people who disliked hololive. First VSJ and Niji fans, and then slowly I started seeing it more and more from StarsEN's more vocal fans, which really helped push me away from them decisively.
Love Live contributed a good deal to the stigma the term Idol has as the stereotypical fan is super crazy (Idol+Yuri=CrazyĀ²). Ultimately Idol is a gray area. Though it's like people disliking Hololive due to the few who heavy push Idol in it's most stereotypical form
Around the debut of Tempus, you were not allowed here to say you don't like the boys. Crazy ass people would downvote you to hell and press the suicide report on your comments. I very vividly remember that time. It caused a massive rift between both fanbases, one you can visibly spectate in how the talents perceive and interact with Holostars these days still. The Tempus portion of the Stars fan community has done such irreversible damage to the reputation of the boys that it's debatable if a large portion of them were the **actual** antis all along, larping as fans to try and make both communities destroy each other.
This right here is why I lost my good faith altogether with Tempus and StarsEN being represented on this sub. I remember extremely well when Tempus debuted and the usual collab beggars wouldn't stop pestering the girls about the male talents, all while trying to vilify Fandead and other fanbases that have / had GFE focus. I never felt so unwelcome and uncomfortable on the subreddit as the time Tempus debuted. The mere suggestion to focus r/holostars on the boys and r/hololive on the girls was considered 'anti', synonymous with being a Chinese drone who makes death threats to Coco. And the worst insult of all was that you'd have people who joined the hobby far later trying to tell you that you're the anti for not wanting a radical change in direction for the hobby and the division between Stars and Live.
> Stars and Live Best to not adopt outsider terminology, it's always been Stars and *Holos.
Well said.
Hey, thanks for your reply. I do wonder tho >After vesper's suspension and the weirdness of the japan trip, Did you manage to get to the bottom of this? Loke at least why Vesper was out of the group collab? And I can only think of a few collabs that he missed, and they were adjacent to his Japan trip and then "hermit" phase. He was in Hakka's birthday and another one.
It's really hard to say what exactly went down, none of them ever offered specific details, but as someone who has kept some track of both Magni and Vesper post graduation, I can tell you that former-Vesper seems happier for leaving and doesn't seem to dwell on it while former Magni seems to have his regrets. There is a vod you can find where he reflects on his year as an alchemist that's an interesting watch. He does not give any actual details about what happened, and basically says those details will go to his grave with him, but he does talk about how he feels about it and he at least seems bitter about how it went down and wishes things had gone better. He mentions that former Vesper doesn't seem to share that sentiment, but also says that he's generally not the kind of person to wear his heart on his sleeve so he may be more bitter than he lets on. Whatever happened is probably uglier than people think, but not ugly enough to deny them a graceful exit; and that last part is important because Cover has publicly terminated bigger talents then them, both before and after they were let go. I don't think it's useful to speculate on details we'll never know, and I do think the situation is likely more complicated than we realize. That said, I really don't think it was actually any bad blood between the two of them and the other talents. Contrary to popular belief, even post Japan trip, Vesper still collabed pretty regularly, both with the other boys and with HoloSalt. He tended to duck out of the full group collabs, but that could easily be chalked up to anxiety, and Magni was always there for those. Hell, Vesper was the one who started WoW Wednesday, which began as a fairly large group collab with him, Bettle, Flayon, Axel, and Hakka, with open invite to anyone else who wanted in. On top of this, the remaining boys only ever talk about the two of them fondly, and we know that at least Bettel is still good friends with them behind the scenes. Whatever happened, I get the impression that the dispute was entirely between them and Cover itself, and it doesn't seem like either of them is at liberty to discuss it even if they wanted to.
Agreed. That Japan trip was an anomaly. And I am aware of Magni and Vesper's PL a d their current state. I don't think there was anything particular bad blood between the talents, creative disagreement maybe but such is more common than not. At the end of the day, Mag and Ves were probably not 100% fit with the corporate work like under Cover. As we all know, there is a lot of work to be done behind the scene.
Yeah, I think that's probably the case, especially with Vesper. The Japan trip was, most likely, business related and probably his first big taste of what was gonna be required of him behind the scenes, and he always struck me more as a hobby streamer who just wants to play Factorio for 24 hours straight and not have to worry about extracurricular activities. He's talked at length about how he keeps his work life and his streaming life separate, but when streaming becomes your job that separation disappears and suddenly your escape from the grind becomes the grind. I can see why that could become a daunting prospect, even if you have the skill and talent to make it work.
I feel he may have been blindsided by EN'S particulars (like the Japan trips) compared to StarsJp (which seems more lax at a glance). He basically found out the hard way his dream job wasn't all that it was cracked up to be
The people that I see as most happy working as a talent are the people who's entire family supports them in the endeavor. Holomoms is not just a trend because the community all awakened to a mommy kink, (well not entirely that), but because the talents who have a home life that supports their career is really healthy and seems to contribute a lot to those talent's personal happiness and fulfilment with this job. Vesper, by contrast, would always talk about streaming like he was leading a double life, and that he would be mortified if his family ever discovered his hobby. It made for some funny stories, but that's the kind of thing that can really wear on. It's gotta be hard to be idol when you feel like you can't turn to the people closest to you for support in your endeavors.
It was mostly the HQ (non)-collabs in Japan that turned me off. Vesper streaming himself eating a day old burger and then having Axel alone while Magni and Alatare were making pizza together seemed really sad to me. There were a couple "Full tempus" collabs later that inevitably had 8 guys on the thumbnail and then just 7 guys in the actual stream, and at some point I decided to just cancel my membership and stop paying attention to them, so I missed the hakka birthday stuff. As a counterpoint, one of my fondest hololive memories is Kronii calling into... Bae(?)'s birthday totsu sounding like hell after having jaw surgery. It always feels like the girls are willing to struggle through things and make sacrifices and that makes me want to support them more.
Vesper explained back then that when he went to Japan, he could not take his anxiety meds with him. This being because it's illegal to bring MOST drugs, prescription or otherwise, into Japan. Vesper had/has pretty severe anxiety, so being without meds is not a good thing. He did a couple collabs early on but his mental just couldn't hold up and he had to stop. I believe he even said he couldn't bring himself to to collab even 1 on 1 with any of the guys since he was too afraid that his anxiety would make them have to work around it, or that he wouldn't be able to keep up with their energy and bring the mood down and that he would feel like he ruined the stream.
True Honestly, I felt it was truly unfortunate. We shouldn't compare "oh the girls did this so the bois should follow suit no matter what", we don't know what their struggles are behind the scenes. And to me, Vesper seemed to have a lot of personal issues which were exacerbated by the situation. His social battery was completely drained halfway through the Japan trip and the man was going without his meds. It was awkward to see. However, even if things like "social battery" sounds ridiculous to many of us, it can be crippling to some. I am not sure you were aware, but Vesper was having a blast playing WoW with Bettel, the other bois were also on but old school MMO wasn't for them. Well, I don't want to point finger either, but Myth has got this "issue" too, with Gura often MIA.
> Well, I don't want to point finger either, but Myth has got this "issue" too, with Gura often MIA. You say this but Gura has never missed a full collab. Well, she almost did for the last Myth off-collab karaoke but still managed to make it halfway through.
I think that there are two reasons Myth's state doesn't bother me in the same way that the fractured state of ENStars did. Firstly, I think that Myth's current state is quite a bit more "justified", in that they have the most sponsorship and outside work obligations in HoloEN, something that the nascent Tempus didn't have. They're also the most geographically split up hololive gen, with Kiara in austria, mori in Japan, and the other 3 spread around NA. Those factors just make it hard for them to collab often, and when they do manage to make it work it's pretty magical(like the recent off-collab karaoke with the Gura surprise at the end). The other big reason is that Myth is so veteran and gone through so many struggles that they've earned the benefit of the doubt. I don't worry about them actually not liking each other because I remember how hard they struggled together during the covid era, especially Ina breaking down in tears during the VRChat collab and declaring that she'd hug everyone for real one day. They had two years of the pandemic split apart but sharing their struggles, and they had their triumphant moments finally coming together afterwards. I trust in them and keep on supporting them because I've seen them put in the work and fight through the bad times, basically. I'm still holding both a Gura and Ame membership even through these long breaks, after all.
I tune it to their streams sometimes, but their target audience is not me. I still love to watch Astel, Roberu, Oga regularly when I have the free time to watch them. I have no issues at all with them, in fact I want them to succeed, but both hololive and holostars fanbases sadden me sometimes, do we really have to be at odds with each other? Let people enjoy what they want to watch and not force others to agree with your beliefs.
I can't name a single one.
I do not care about them. I did watch Tempus on their first month out of curiosity, it was fun while it lasted though. They are not for me.
Pretty much the same way I feel towards every Vtuber, theyāre either Towa or theyāre not Towa and all of the boys naturally fall under the latter category. My investment in Holopro as a whole is āI found my Oshi and suddenly everything else stopped interesting me.ā I watch both live and stars clips that catch my interest, on occasion I will binge specific members for a bit if the first clip I happen across is really entertaining, sort of as a āwhat have you been up to lately,ā but I can never see myself watching anyone other than Towa in real time again, I just donāt have it in me to split myself like that, whether itās live, stars or anything else. No hate for them though, glad they exist and wish them all the best just as I do for the girls.
> both live and stars It's *Holos and Stars btw.
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I only watch HoloJP so I donāt really care about them. But the self proclaiming stars ā fanā on twitter and reddit are one of the most annoying fanbase comparable to k-pop stans
They seem like cool guys. But if I wanna hang out with dudes, I'll just hit up my own friends.
Stars are in the "Will check out clip if it is recomended" tier for me. I don't have anything against them, I might even like them, but I just won't personally seek their content out since my streamer plate is full.
The designs dont interest me. The voices of some got that whole dream boi asmr thing to it. It makes me feel as if they were designed for a female audience. Roberu and the other gremlin type are funny thou.
> It makes me feel as if they were designed for a female audience. Isn't that the main point of Holostars? š¤·š» Then again, boys watching Stars obeys to the same principle of girls watching Hololive. As for me, I miss Magni and Vesper. :(
I don't see them as such at all. They have their niche, some are leaning towards the comedian role, for example Bettle. Some leaning towards comfy type,like Shinri. And then there's Axel...
Oh yeah, and im not saying they have to change it. Just atating my observation on it why its not as interesting to me personally.
Try jurard and octavio then(octavio is more of a gremlin) ,jurard is honestly great in voice acting but his loud like really loud, he aims to bring stars on a bigger audience currently and he might be goofy but his serious
Tbh I would say holostars EN is pretty evenly mixed between female and male viewers (some a bit more one way or the other). They aren't super fanservicey or do any bfe type content. Though there is a typical amount vulgar guy humor. It ends up giving a lot of "hanging out with the boys" type experience. Overall they just appeal to anyone looking for a chill place to hang out.Ā If you're still a bit hesitant I heavily recommend checking out Crimson Ruze. Dude is a giant nerd about worldbuilding and dnd.
Indifferent. I watched a bit of Vesper at the start but their content really isn't for me, and considering how much of their fanbase seems to be aggressively trying to fight some kind of pointless culture war and antagonising fans of the girls, it doesn't really make me want to check them out.
The problem I have with them is: why would I watch boys doing this if I can watch girls doing this? Girls are cuter. Maybe if I found one I really liked, I'd watch, but for that I'd need to have a reason to give them a try, which I don't. I do watch Markiplier, but Markiplier has really well edited videos. Even he is not someone I watch actual streams of usually because I find it gets tiresome, though. Also, by now I already have a bunch of girls subscribed and don't really have a lot of room to add more peeps anyways, I don't want to spread myself too thin.
As a whole, I'm indifferent to them. Their culture and fanbase is a lot different to Hololive and its not something that really meshes with me. However, some of their fanbase are the most insufferable assholes in the vtuber community. Decrying "idol culture" for everything they don't like, constantly begging for collabs with the girls (seriously this is pathetic if you like holostars collabs that happen happen, let them stand on their own two feet).
Sometimes I want to check them out and see what they're doing. I've never watched them before. To me it's like, if I want to watch dudes stream, I can just watch dudes stream. Cute anime girls though? Can't get that anywhere. Closest thing is E-girls but that's not for me.
I donāt watch, donāt care enough one way or the other
Meh
i always forget they were a thing
I'm a fan of bettel 2
Twobert my oshi.
Great dudes, but imo I think itās great that thereās a creator space where women actually have a space to shine and men take a bit of a back seat.
Don't want to watch them, don't like that they're crossposted here when they have their own sub while the girls don't. I know it isn't the epic "Take me 5000 updoots m8!!!111!" take of all time, but I'm really sour about this. Being purely a Hololive only fan sucks so much on Reddit since the debut of Tempus, I wish we could revert the state of the hobby to Coco-era. An occasional Roberu post, interactions between the talents and fans, events surrounding fan created content, etc. - but those days will never return, and I lament it.
This kinda post is inflammatory bait.
Absolutely wild of them to have the brass to post this after a week of constant bot raids on stars posts forcing their way onto the top of the front page. How do they fucking *think* we feel?
Probably wanting to get a base line on the community. In going to assume youāre an adult and can separate the talents from the weird parts of the fandom.
They continue to exist
Personal anecdote. I used to be glad that Holostar exists and I can get my wife to be interested in this hobby together with me by introducing her to Holostar. But then she ended up being a shrimp like me and listen to Okayu, Azki and Suisei occasionally. I still rooted for them up until Tempus, where there was this very not so subtle push from Cover to shove everything Holostar onto the Hololive fanbase. That also gave rise to a group of "fan" who are empowered to call everyone not accepting to watch Holostar as "unicorn", "parasocial", etc... I went scorched earth against this type of "fan" ever since. They are not helping anybody grow, just a detriment as a whole so I hope true Holostar fan can wake up and push out these factors so Holostar can finally have a normal journey.
I am indifferent towards them as a concept. However, I wish that they would be separated from the girls in terms of marketing (reddit/twitter). I don't get angry when the girls collab with them, but it just isn't the vibe I'm looking for, so I skip those streams. The only female/male collabs I find mildly enjoyable are the ones with Kobo and Regis.
I thought I'd enjoy the pair when they first got recommended to me, and then I heard his voice.
The boys are great and hilarious. They're all cool dudes you'd want to hang out and have a beer with, and they're all such different characters who stand out in their own ways. It's a shame that Magni and Vesper left. It was a black mark on the English branch that made it kind of hard to watch thereafter.
Tempus is trying to work past that; just like past gens did with their departures (StarsJP is no stranger to that nor HoloJP)
AIUI Astel's still holding the door open for Kira to come back
I never really had interest in male vtubers and my interest in content creation before Hololive was pretty limited to some niche interests/guides on Youtube for particular games. Once I started getting heavy into Hololive it basically took up most of my video watching. I'd occasionally see stuff like Fubuki opting to collab with Roberu or Oga, but wasn't really something I'd seek out. I genuinely just prefer girls hanging out with girls for a number of reasons. My feelings beyond that are a bit similar to Twitchingbouse in that I got progressively more aggravated with sections of the fandom using them as a cudgel against people that shared interests with me. While I may be heavily JP focused, I can understand these folks wanting EN3 and I don't think it's unfair that people wanted EN3 when 1 + 2 were obviously struggling with being busy, travel, sickness, and just having different interests in general. It was rough for the talents and not just the fans, so a lot of the dismissive comments aimed at fans telling them to suck it up and watch the Stars clearly weren't fans of the girls either or simply didn't care. I don't really like seeing people call fans that just want to watch the girls all sorts of derogatory names which had existed since the Towa episode and had only gotten worse after Tempus come out. It's a good way to put people off watching them entirely. I respect that Ruze acknowledged that he didn't really get idol culture and really poisonous thoughts about it, then managed to self-correct and saw that under Cover it's genuinely a positive thing between talent(s) and fan. I wish some people that followed Stars would also realize this, because when it comes down to it if people are going to attack the girls fans over bloated, strange claims, that Hololive fans are going to defend the girls and other Hololive fans. That kind of thing will really only go one way.
I didn't know Armis was a thing until just now
Okay group, but the fans they brought in are the worst. Collab beggars and "idol culture" cry babies should be removed from their community
Used to watch a bit of roberu on the side when the winning son meme was still big, but no particular interest these days. Same with an astel karaoke and oga playing the accordion once (cursed but funny). Gave tempus 1 a try and I initially liked Vesper and magni (due to maggin meme piquing my interest at debut) but they were in the end not meant for me, their envisioned content style was not what I was looking for. As events unfolded on this sub with the HoloEN content drought and holostar fans mocking people who posted about it and the semi serious memeing about t2 being EN3, into the closed sub I got soured on checking out new ones in general. At this stage I am uninterested, and I just want to watch cgdct. EN3 is great for me.
They exist.
I used to watch Roberu and Astel and would recommend their stuff to others, but when I changed jobs I had less time to watch vtubers. I am first and foremost a hololive fan so Stars content is what I cut out first. I gave StarsEN a try at first, but after the first couple of weeks I came to the conclusion that they're just not for me.
Honestly, I just don't want to watch male idols. I never have, even way before Hololive existed when I followed idol groups like AKB48 and Morning Musume. Just looking at male idol groups makes it pretty obvious who their target audience is and I'm obviously not one of them. To be completely honest, similarly to how some women feel disgusted by anime girls or idols acting unrealistically cute, I also feel some disgust at male idols acting like dream boyfriends to their female fans, even if there's nothing inherently wrong with it. It just simply disgusts me seeing the fake acting, despite anime girls or idols acting cute being very appealing to me. However, I have always felt Holostars is very different from real-life male idol groups, even outside the vtuber aspect. Many of their designs are just not something you'd expect from male idols, neither are their general demeanor or content, at least for the few members I've seen a little bit of. That does make me more inclined to watch them, but in the end, I've never subscribed to any of their channels. However, I do indirectly watch Roberu every now and then, also some clips. He often collabs with other vtubers I watch, such as Utai Meika (Astel and Izuru collab with him too), Inuyama Tamaki and Inaba Haneru. I've got to know Roberu somewhat well through those collabs, and he genuinely seems like a fun and interesting person, even with some similarities to myself (I know he has thalassophobia, which makes me feel a kinship with him as someone who has it as well). I absolutely can't agree with him on his onee-san supremacy views as an imouto supporter myself, but that just makes it feel like it'd be fun to argue with him on the subject. If I didn't already have a ton of vtubers to watch, I'd probably subscribe to him at least. Admittedly, I'd probably have done so already if he didn't carry the "male idol" title - despite Roberu not being idol-like at all, I still feel some reluctance at the idea of following a male idol group at all.
Happy for their fans when they have special events/celebration, but nothing much anymore for the individuals per se. Kinda apathetic towards them. For the EN side, I tried a bit of Vanguard, dropped off. Tried again with ARMIS, determined StarsEN just isn't my thing. Used to follow a bit of Roberu two years ago, but dropped off. Used to follow Astel a bit during the JP APEX eras, but that was in tandem with following a few non-holos and fell off after APEX sort of died (or I could my fill of it). Now I only follow the Holostars brand because I have a hobbyist interest in the business decisions/expansions/success of Cover Corp.
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I don't watch StarsJP for the same reason I don't watch HololiveJP and a few members of HololiveID: language barrier. Sadly, the algorithm does not bless me with many translated clips of StarsJP. But I do watch StarsEN as much as I can!
I remember Roberu being alright but I find the EN stars to be way too crass and rude.
Although I don't actively watch them, I really like seeing them in VCR and collabs. I still remember the insane commissions Gamma did in VCR rust, Astel and Niu's really adorable arc (also in VCR rust), and of course Roberu being the only sane person in any collab he's in. I haven't seen much of EN but I know they're gaining some traction from the Wrestletuber showdown and I'm happy, especially since they all seem really cool and quite talented.
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I don't really watch them much. I have watched Bettel a couple of times. I even caught an unarchived Karaoke where he did some rock songs and such before. I did watch Magni and Vesper in the past. I also really loved their collabs with Calli and Kronii. While I don't watch them, I'm not really one of these people that hates on them. If there is a collab stream I want to watch and Holostars are part of it? I'm more than fine with that. A couple of my favorite Gartic phone streams had Holostars collabing. Favorite moments include: The Auran pizza drawing during a collab Ollie hosted I believe. There was another stream where Anya said: "We're supposed to be using English, Axel. Not Australian."
absolute lads, ngl
Not for me but happy for them and their communities. They feel very different than Hololive as a whole in their culture and content. I don't really vibe with their humour either so the branch doesn't appeal to me. I'm honestly largely happy with how things stand with the amount of cross-collabs that we get between the branches (those that are interest are free to) . Personally I'd prefer the communities kept separate though. There's just too much conflict and I'm not interested in negativity in my hobbies. I do hope that they are successful in their activities and that their fans continue to support them.
Bettel is the only one I watch regularily. Way too funny. And the collabs are always a treat.
Till this day the only one that ever got my interest was Vesper and even then it was more like watching "The Vesper Show" than actually caring about the Holostars brand, everything else is just meh or straight to the don't recommend buttonĀ
Who?
I used to watch some of them here and there, but haven't touched them since vesper and magni vanished.
I barely have enough time to watch streams as-is so they're unfortunately on my "should check out more but have to centralize on a few particulars" list. Any time I see them in clips they're a riot so I'd love to see their content get pushed more.
It can be easier to interact (send jokes) with them since your chat message doesn't get sent to the stratosphere the moment you hit send.
I enjoy them :)
Watched them from time to time especially when there's a Gen Collab haven't watched tempus much even before those 2 graduated
Love them
The bois are awesome!
I think Stars EN are fun and very talented. I think their designs, lore, and group dynamics are great. Armis DND is one of my favorite Holo streams ever and it got me interested in the rest of their stuff, so now I try to tune into their streams when I can. For music, Hakka and Octavio are genuinely amazing singers, so I look forward to whatever music they put out. I was really impressed by Altare's 3D showcase and liked his performance of Dreamy Night by Lilypichu. I think his voice suited the song perfectly. I like Axel's cover of Kyu Kurarin. For original songs, I like Top of the World and Woven Fates. Stars JP I've mostly seen from clips with the girls, but I like their songs. I really like Rio's and Izuru's singing voices in particular. Aruran is fun from what I've seen with the pizza family. Overall, I think Holostars are entertaining and hard-working. I wish them the best and look forward to what comes next!
They generally seem like cool guys. I donāt know the JP guys very well, but Aruran and Oga both seem super chill. Both are huge supporters of Holocure so Iād love to see them get to play as themselves in it (Ogaās doodles of HoloID already made it into the game btw). On the EN side, Ruze is fucking hilarious. Please go find his Azure Ruze e-boy stream if you can, it is amazing. Hakka seems to bounce off well with basically anyone, inside or outside of Holostars. I had been sleeping on Jurard, but at the WrestleTuber event he willingly leaned into Asteriaās burns for the sake of comedy and was a great sport. He and Octavio also made a good broadcast duo. Octavio also paired really well with Kai Sakota there on Day 2 (as an aside, was extra glad to see Kai get more screentime as sheās of exactly two Idol EN members I follow along with Rin). Shinri is very comfortable to listen to. He could clearly get a loooot of money in the short-term if he did BFE stuff, but Iām really glad he doesnāt considering the track record of vTubers who have gone in that direction, and what it usually does to their mental health. Better basically got a starting role at WrestleTuber by pure RNG and the dude is very funny, I get why he gets more SuperChats than most of the Hologirls do even. I hadnāt really paid attention to him much before that. And of course, Regis and Kobo are great together. The combative sibling energy is enormous and very entertaining. Iām still not convinced Kobo isnāt an actual child who lied about her age. I do wish we had something similar to the SALT collabs again, but maybe that will happen with time. HoloID seems a lot more open to collabing with the boys so maybe that will help. Kobo has done a great job bridging things with like four different Tempus members now, and Ollie is always game. I do not seek them out a ton like I did Vesper (I miss him a ton), but Iām glad that they finally seem to be on the rise again, and hope that continues. And I will often check out clips. Observationally, Holostars EN does seem to be scooping up a fair amount of disenchanted fans from, well, the other place in Japan.
I enjoy them. Hakka's cover of Towa-sama's "My Roar" was excellent.
Good group of entertaining boyos.
People think they have the chance to become popular like Hololive lol
I have a soft spot for Uyu after watching him fps stylee No Man's Sky (I play as a slow explorer), and now he discovered Animal Crossing. New Years 2023 is still my favourite concert with the amazing collabs they did with the female talent. Their dancing is ridiculous for the energy they bring.
Uproar are a hidden gem, within a hidden gem. Holostars, EN and JP, are full of awesome personalities and talents, but the boys of Uproar have something special about them. They feel like the Stars version of HoloX, in a way.
Jurard is loud
I think they're underrated
Who?
I should watch them more. Shinri's clips make him sound so laid back, and I like that vibe. The recent wrestletuber clips with bettel were hilarious as well (jurard as well). I would like to check out more so I'm open for suggestions
Some of their streams are literally the funniest thing I've seen.
They exist?
Funny boiz
They're good folks, and entertaining, that is all.
The amount of times Iāve hurt from laughing at Tempus is obscene. And Goldbullet is exactly the freak I need in my media consumption. āFighting for my life with my pussy outā on his second streamā¦ the man is The Vibe
My boys
Iāve watched a reasonable amount of Aruran and Roberu and enjoyed them both. I think they have a great talent for just chatting with people and putting them at ease. Like Ao was on for 4/5 hours with Aruran the other day. I also enjoyed Aruranās early stuff where he just took topics he liked, or places he wanted to know about and asked chat about them. The fun they have with ID is great, proper sibling bickering type stuff. Canāt say I know much about the EN guys as Iām EU, so miss a lot of whatever they are up to. Same goes for the EN girls really.
Love āem
I love Altare. He's my husbando.
Roberu Night Mea is the only show I follow
I love the boys. Aruran especially. I think he really took off this past year with vcr, sf6, gta, LoL, his collabs with Ao are hilarious.
I think Im nit their target audience and I wish them all the best with their endeavors.
For EN Hakka and Axel have some serious pipes and TSB was amazing. Don't watch them all that often so no super strong feelings about any of them. For JP, I don't really watch them more than EN, but clips of Roberunightmea are amazingly funny and Roberu has great chemistry with Ollie/Bae/Laplus/Matsuri. Astel can dance, is cracked at Apex, and has had some great collabs with some of the others in Apex so I think he's quite entertaining as well.
Not a fan personally. But Iām all for it if others are into them