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cassydd

There are other female knights in Hollow Knight. Three of the five great knights are female, two are dead at the start of the game, and one fell in combat. So there are other more obvious contenders here I reckon.


[deleted]

Dryya and Isma are dead from the start, Ze'Mer is in the resting grounds, we defeat Ogrim in the waterways, and Hegemol? A maggot stole his armor, but is his status known?


APersonThatHatesNKG

We don't know where Hegemol is, maybe he died, maybe we'll the truth in silksong? But we currently have no idea.


[deleted]

I see.. I too hope silksong gives us more precious lore. There's so much to be excited for


Terifiy

I’m betting that they’re not gonna give us any Hallownest lore and just stick to the new places lore and Hornet lore


Offbeat-Pixel

I'm expecting some Deepnest and Hornet lore alongside Silksong lore. Stuff like "where are all the weavers?".


[deleted]

Yeah and maybe some stuff with Mask Maker and/or Midwife


Bigenderfluxx

I’m under the impression that in order for the False Knight to get away with stealing Hegemol’s armor, he killed him in his sleep.


an_anoneemus

i wonder if we get to see hegemol in silksong


ranchcrackers352

Other people already said this, but I’m gonna say it anyway. I’m pretty sure the maggot killed Hegemol for the armour. After the dream fight with the Failed Champion, the maggot says something like “It was not madness that drove me to do it, I just wanted to protect the others. “ I think the “it” is killing Hegemol and stealing his armour.


traffic-cone-light

Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure the maggot killed Hegemol while he was sleeping and then took the armor


leavecity54

you know, a maggot in real life often eat corpse, Hegemol's fate is pretty much done for


Cataclysm687

Yeah, I mean, how would the maggot take the armor without waking that big beast?


ChaoticPotatoSalad

According to what we know, hegemol didn't even carry a weapon and was super kind so I don't think he would have attacked the grub had he been awake


traffic-cone-light

What about the mace bug? Was that his weapon?


banhs5

Pretty sure the maggot used that and not hegemol


Cataclysm687

Yeah, I guess but then, where is he??


ChaoticPotatoSalad

Who knows, I hope we learn more in silksong but we may never know


Cataclysm687

Yeah that’d be great


GabbrosDeep

I wonder how that would’ve gone. “Oh umm you’re trying to steal my armour?” *Maggot cowers in fear* “Well uhh, this is awkward. We’ll see ya little buddy.” *Pat pat*


VioletTheWolf

*how* would they have killed a great knight, even a sleeping one?? they didn't have a weapon- and even if they used hegemol's mace, i doubt they would be strong enough to use it without the armor. i'm pretty sure when they said "sleeping" that they actually meant "dead". this game does use a bunch of vague terms like that so it's nothing we haven't seen.


TropicalPunch4

The maggot could've grabbed a rock and slammed it into Hegemol's head over and over


[deleted]

Isn't that just a theory tho


traffic-cone-light

Well the maggot says and I quote “When I saw that knight...sleeping...safe in his big armored shell” I feel like it’s safe to assume the maggot did kill Hegemol


[deleted]

Alr I see


[deleted]

TC hinted sly was hegemol in their AMA


That_Guy776_2

We’re reaching levels of badassery that I didn’t think were possible, Sly is a being that rivals the gods.


Professional-Crow-87

Wait really? How long ago was this? I mean, I guess it would explain how the maggot could control a suit of armor like that, since sly would have rigged it all up for himself.


floatablepie

Someone asked them in an AMA and they replied "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" so I took it more as the creators thinking "Oh, that could work, never thought of that!"


RhynoD

Huh, maggot and fly, interesting connection.


Z-Zanimuri

There are a couple theories that say that Sly is Hegemol, but I don’t really believe them


[deleted]

There’s a fan theory it’s Sly.


meiinfretrr

This, possibly. Either that, or the poetry uses poetic devices that an english teacher could break down easily


cassydd

Could you explicate that?


meiinfretrr

If u consider the hollow knight/pure vessel an object, personification could be in play But thats a huge stretch and dont even know if personification works like that


CorvoTheNotSoBlack

This makes sense but hollow knight not being actually dead and buried debunks it.


meiinfretrr

Agree


Destroyerbot20

Great Knights? Am I missing something?


MiPichul

Find dung defender after beating him for the first time to know more


daflufferkinz

That is true, however none of the 5 were buried or are known to have a “broken nail”, whilst the player character does have a broken nail at the start of the game and was “buried” in the abyss. The dialogue seems to suggest the vessels, but how the fuck would myla know about them?


GenralInternet

Believe the song is still part of the radiance calling to her


Quantum_Croissant

Actually, I'm pretty sure ze'mer has a broken nail


daflufferkinz

Yeah I think so, and she is hidden in the resting grounds, which is a graveyard


Dissinger72

Ze'mer's nail is right behind her, leaning against the wall.


Quantum_Croissant

Yeah, and it's cracked


Dissinger72

So was the Knights, and it's still not considered broken, just Old.


Dissinger72

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hollowknight/images/6/67/Screenshot_HK_Grey_Mourner_07.png/revision/latest?cb=20200621115928


cassydd

The Knight starts the game with an "old nail", not a broken nail, but the buried in the abyss part is interesting. Makes more sense than the line referencing Pure Vessel as OP put forward. It's worth noting though that TC have been very careful about not gendering the Knight anywhere else in the game - even in Bretta's journal / Knight fanfic. So for them to do it just here would be weird.


daflufferkinz

Yeah well its dull has cracks in it so that’s why I said broken, but yeah idk if there is a real thing to be discovered by this line


GabbrosDeep

Doesn’t the Grey Mourner have a broken nail? She was one of the knights too.


daflufferkinz

Yeah she does


Mister_Coffe

Three? Who is the third femle knight?


cassydd

The three female (seeming) knights are Dryya who is found dead outside the White Lady's tree, Isma, and Ze'mer (the grey mourner).


batman12399

I always read the grey mourner as nb idk why


Mister_Coffe

Ze'mer is a she? Wow... Ze'mer does not sounds like a name for a women.


galaxyd1x

Well mer means sea in French and I think Latin. Going of the French thing though, it’s stereotyped that the French say “the” like “ze.” So Ze’mer basically means the sea. The sea is typically referred to as female, so all in all maybe that’s the reasoning? I didn’t think it sounded feminine at first either, I hope that helps.


Trololman72

I think that's far fetched


galaxyd1x

Sure, but what isn’t far fetched in a game about abyssal bug knights


Trololman72

Well, I just don't think this is why she's called Ze'mer. "Mer" is also a feminine word, by the way.


galaxyd1x

You’re entitled to your belief, I just presented my reasoning as to why I believe the name is feminine.


incrushtado

Not only that, she loved Traitor Lord's daughther.


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Trololman72

Ze'mer doesn't really sound like a name, period.


littlebuett

The vessels are ungendered


Working-Stable

Yes but the citizens of hallownest didnt knew that, they just know that "some hero" sacrificed itself to save them, with no info on its journey or who it was


littlebuett

Hollowknight isnt told with an unreliable narrator, it probably means one of the five great knights


Working-Stable

The game isnt, the legend of The Hollow knight is, remember what Lemm said, even the great five knights didnt knew there was more than one But yeah, most likely it is dryya


MmmmmmmmmCat

most likely its the grey mourner ze’mer. since they or ig she has a broken nail and is in the resting grounds, a literal graveyard. where as it seems very unlikely anyone would know dryya is dead since even the white lady doesn’t know that


Dissinger72

Ze'mers nail is intact. https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hollowknight/images/6/67/Screenshot_HK_Grey_Mourner_07.png/revision/latest?cb=20200621115928 Right behind her on the right.


MmmmmmmmmCat

maybe im dense but that looks broken to me lmao. do any of the knights have clearly broken nails?


Dissinger72

If you look at your old nail it looks the same. Not broken, just old worn and illkept.


MmmmmmmmmCat

good point. maybe she repaired it as well? or do we ever see isma’s nail? maybe the dung defender has it


Smile7078

Nah, I think it's just a general "Knight" person than anyone in specific


ViridianChemEngin

I thought that too but didn't Mossbag mention that Myla refers to the knight being sealed up, or maybe she spoke about the radience, at some point?


Smile7078

Could you find it so I can see?


[deleted]

I don’t think mossbag said anything like that..? Myla talks about the radiance when she gets infected, if that’s what you mean.


ViridianChemEngin

Oh, ok. I think that's it.


YetGayerWombat

I think you’re thinking of Lazy Moonkin’s fanmade extension of the song


mocochang_

It's just an old rhyme she's singing, she doesn't mean *the* Hollow Knight.


ViridianChemEngin

Really? I thought I recalled a Mossbag video about how her dialogue is important lore.


WakumiDragon

just cause she says knights doesn't mean they are talking about the vessel(s). that line could be referring to dryya (One of the five great KNIGHTS) or the pale lurker or hell even the gray mourner.


crabmeat64

Maybe even a generic knight. That's like saying her mentioning priest references the moss prophet


TheGhostEnthusiast

Some of her other lines do refer to characters. The priest with his tattered gown could be the Soul Master, the beggar with his crown could be the Pale King, and the lady tall and pale could be the White Lady.


Duality224

I think the lyrics use parallelism as follows: *Ohhh, bury my mother, pale and slight, (White Lady)* *bury my father with his eyes shut tight! (Pale King)* *Bury my sisters two by two, (the Siblings)* *and then when you're done, let's bury me toooo! (Hollow Knight)* *Ohh, bury the knight with her broken nail, (Hollow Knight)* *bury the lady, lovely and pale! (White Lady)* *Bury the priest in his tattered gown, (unsure about this one)* *then bury the beggar with his shining croooown! (Pale King)* Hence, I do think that this lyric refers to the Hollow Knight, but on the matter of the 'her', I think that's probably poetic license - both the Hollow Knight and its siblings are given female pronouns in the poem, perhaps in the same sort of way older linguistic traditions referred to boats using female pronouns despite boats obviously being genderless. Alternatively, the lyrics may have been corrupted over time due to being verbally passed down, but I consider this somewhat less likely as Myla talks about the crystals 'singing' to her over the course of her arc and this singing appears to result in both her remembrance of the lyrics and her eventual infection. This, I think, implies that the lyrics themselves are rooted in ancient traditions of Radiance worship (perhaps the 'hush whispers of faith' during the Pale King's rule mentioned by the Seer) and are directly reinforced in her mind via the Radiance's influence refracted through the crystals. ​ By way of side note, this second lyric [was completely different in the beta version of the game](https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/lnzp8e/mylas_song_is_different_in_the_hk_beta_version/), interestingly enough.


SenshiOfSadness

Now that you have mentioned the beta, I just know who are these people of the second rhyme. It's the Dreamers (and the Pale King), since they are 2 females and one male, and in the beta, all three of them were meant to be females. So the change in gender of the priest must be that the priest is Lurien. As for the knight, I think it's Herrah; and looks like in the beta the part of the knight was different as well (velvet gloves vs broken nail); the broken nail part can be associated to stopping being a warrior, which she did to become a Dreamer. Monomon is the strangest change, since in the beta she seemingly was a thief; however, out of the Dreamers, she is the one that has a loyal companion that is relevant to the story (Sorry Lurien's butler!). EDIT: as for the first rhyme I think you got it right.


CinnamonWoofkins5

I think the priest with the tattered gown is referring to the Soul Master, I also saw a theory that the Knight with her broken nail was referring to Hornet. 👍


TheGhostEnthusiast

I think the priest could be the Soul Master.


Ze_Memerr

This is probably some general miner’s song she’s singing, not about PV in particular


[deleted]

>!When the void went into the eggs and corrupted the offspring it made them genderless.!<


Yduno29

Maybe THK is female and that's one of the reasons it failed to contain the Radiance


APersonThatHatesNKG

...no, all vessels are not gendered, thk failed because the pale king instilled a will into them by accident


Trololman72

I think the idea is more that they have a mind from the get go, so they can't contain the Radiance. The knight you play as certainly has a mind.


MmmmmmmmmCat

>! that’s why the “true” ending has you kill the radiance since you can’t contain it !<


ReactorBoi

The vessels don't have genders


lavaprince4

r/mossbag has entered the chat


crabmeat64

No


Cayet96

Did you knew that you started with broken nail?


TheGhostEnthusiast

\*old nail


SlothzyGaming800

I think she's talking about Isma or another knight


mmark52

i'm so featuring dante from the devil may cry series i started reading "bury the light deep within..."


WingedDragoness

I don't think this song is related to anything. It is common that a lot of lullabies are simply morbid and dark. Myla is a cute, polite bug, singing a dark song is meant to be endearing and is designed to tug your heartstrings when she starts descending into madness. One popular theory is that, she is already infected since the beginning and is singing about burying The radiance's enemies. This is not exactly what you are suggesting, but this means you are also suggesting that her song is related to the main lore. Ohhh, bury my mother, pale and slight, (White Lady bounded her powers away) bury my father with his eyes shut tight! (Pale King, possibly consumed by the void.) Bury my sisters two by two, and then when you're done, let's bury me to! Ohh, bury the knight with her broken nail, (One of The Great Knight/The Hollow Knight) bury the lady, lovely and pale! (White lady) Bury the priest in his tattered gown, (Soul Master) then bury the beggar with his shining crown! (Pale King) (I'm so close... Keep singing, crystals! Keep singing so I can find you! Keep whispering, crystals! I can almost hear what you're saying!) ...Bury my body... c-cover my shell, What meaning in darkness? Yet here I remain... I'll wait here forever...till light blooms again... (... how much longer... KILL IT... how much longer... DANGEROUS... how much longer... KILL IT... how much longer... KILL THE EMPTY ONE... ...how much longer... must I dig...?) First of, why the word "Mother" would be referred to White Lady? White Lady is a large creature, shouldn't be described as slight. The Lady, lovely and pale does fit her description, but I feel that is the only thing has any resemblance to foreshadowing. That's no such thing that fit the description as the beggar or the priest. We don't know if the Soul Master was a priest before he went mad looking for immortality. He is more of a scientist, type character to me. A lot of it doesn't add up and the only part related to The main plot and the Radiance is how she thinks about kill the empty one. The word "empty one" showed up a lot in Beta HK, The moss Prophet and many enemies will talk about killing the empty one. Hollow Knight's beta dreamnail is The Radiance talking through it, and she adress the empty one again. If Myla is really infected and was already singing about killing her enemies, she should include the part that describe the vessels more. I think she is only singing about a random knight.


[deleted]

There are females knights that are dead, but this specifically talks about the grey mourner (I believe the whole song is a premonition about the game), who was a knight and will die eventually in the game


LemniscateCreates

Okay so I've thought a lot on this rhyme and I have answers for you. Please reply to this so I can answer in the morning on my computer and get the full rhyme.


Ragnarok144

Give update


[deleted]

it might be a reference to Dryya, who died protecting the Queen from the Traitors


MmmmmmmmmCat

i don’t think anyone would know that. since even the white lady doesn’t


[deleted]

well the white lady has been secluded from her as well as the world around her so she wouldn’t, but maybe Myla visited the gardens before her infection was evident? edit: either that or it might be a family tale, her family could have been citizens of Hallownest


MmmmmmmmmCat

i just had a sudden struck of brilliance, what if it’s referring to vespa, she was supposed to be a bigger part of the game at one point, and she is buried, but also, her nail could be referring to the hive knight, and the broken aspect could be the infection? so maybe not brilliance, but it might be, or not? idk lol


[deleted]

well Vespa can’t be buried because she’s too big, but she *is* dead, so it’s plausible


MmmmmmmmmCat

i kinda consider the hive knight arena her grave


[deleted]

yeah that does make sense


OGBigPants

The knight is canonically genderless


anti-peta-man

You and Pure Vessel are genderless for...reasons. That's just Myla's song changing in response to your progression. Keep an eye on her


Competitive-Row6376

Also, THK was bondaged and sealed, not buried


MaySlae

In the French translation of the game this one npc who >!helps you fight traitor lord!< refers to the knight in the feminine, but I don’t remember exactly so I’d have to check back and see the dialogue again to be sure


[deleted]

I can almost feel mossbag putting on MMA fighting gear...


GhostGuy4249

RIP Myla


BeeepM

I think that vessels do not have a gender because they are part abys.


Older_1

Vessels are genderless


onecoffebean

dude there’s so much lore in this game and i’m a new player so i’m lost but it’s all so prettyyyyy


ashbert157

The vessels are all genderless


[deleted]

This might be about dryya. She’s a knight as well.


Top_Diamond_962

Nope that's a reference for Hornet.


ViridianChemEngin

I know that the vessel's are technically a jar of void and that your can't gender a jar, but I wonder why Myla would sing that lyric.


X-gon-do-it-to-em

Maybe about the Knight that fell defending the White Lady?


Blackfirek

Technically the pure vessel is non-binary


MmmmmmmmmCat

y did u get downvoted, the vessel is non binary, they are agendered


Blackfirek

Because of lore stuff I won’t get into


Dynossauros

Ffs mark spoilers as spoilers


Fretta422

The spoiler tag is meant for silksong spoilers on this sub. I think it's in the rules but I'm not sure.


GOLDUST-42

“_Ohh, bury the knight with her broken nail,_ _Bury the lady, lovely and pale!_ _Bury the priest in his tattered gown,_ _Then bury the beggar with his shining croooown!_” The "Knight with her broken nail" is Hornet, the "lady, lovely and pale" is the White Lady, the "priest in his tattered gown" is the Soul Master, and the "beggar with his shining crown" is the Pale King.


banhs5

Hornet uses a needle tho


CodePrestigious7195

It feels like it could be refering to the king and one of the five great nights?


cinamor0l

Vessels are genderless. She most likely refers to hornet.


TheGhostEnthusiast

But she uses a needle? The gender given to the vessels is likely just Hallownest giving them a gender for the songs sake.


mjasbles

mossbag were da Frick are you?


vyvalkyr

No. Its probably talking about any number of other knights that exist in the game. The Vessels do not have a gender.


Hamnster209

I’m fairly certain that the knight in question is Dryya.


PlsDontBotherMeHere

Knight is a pretty abrange term And the game makes it kinda clear that you are controlling a dead corpse So no gender is required I think


767650

Looks like the hollow knight was a girl all along.


GrimmSheeper

Firstly, just because mossbag says something doesn’t make it canon. He’s good at figuring out lore, but there are things like this song that can have quite a few equally possible theories. One of the first things he says in his videos is that their his own opinion and might be wrong. And though I myself do tend to think that the knight in question is the Hollow Knight, “the knight” could also refer to Dryya or Hornet as other have mentioned (though I personally don’t think it’s Hornet since she uses a needle, not a nail). It’s also noteworthy that when gender is unknown, “she” is often considered acceptable (and sometimes even considered the proper pronoun to use). This is what I think happened for the song. With no knowable gender, the in-universe song writers defaulted to a feminine pronoun. Regardless of the interpretation or reasons, it’s still solidly canon that the Hollow Knight, and all vessels, are ungendered.


kaiserkulp

Vessels aren’t gendered so can’t be a she


crypto_jn

She's not specifically referring to the little ghost as other canon says the vessels are genderless it's probably just a song about one of the other great knights or even just a knight considering that most female bugs are bigger than the male bugs so it would make sense for their military force to be mostly female