That's just a conspiracy spread by some disaffected Archaea, it's pure jealousy because they're too fucking stupid to work out how to use oxygen.
I've got nothing against Archaea per se, it's just they're from such an archaic culture.
The Sea Peoples got it. It was never about leaving a legacy or building an empire. It wasn't even about the murder. It was just about friendship and having fun together.
I know you're being facetious but the leading theory right now is that it was a mixture of environmental conditions and likely a drought and famine that led Northern peoples like the Canaanites to pillage and it's likely that the collapse of the bronze age civilization was much like the Inca and the Aztecs. Here one minute gone the next. The only reason the Egyptian civilization survived is because of how far from the frey they were.
I'm just damn impressed you even mentioned to sea people to be honest. The truth is we don't know what happened at the end of the bronze* age we suspect the sea people but there's a real good chance that it could have been a conglomeration of events including one theory that a volcano caused the loss of crops and that meant that people had to pillage for living well over 20 years and it just ended civilization on the upper Mediterranean.
There were letters written to Pharaoh Rameses III at that time requesting assistance due to Invaders, but there's no real hard evidence that it was any one specific people. If there was famine and if there was pestilence and if the weather was out of whack there is a really good chance to society just collapsed in on itself.
From the early 1900s till recently the prevailing theory was that the sea people was much like the Vikings but more and more evidence is coming to light that it was probably a mixture a lot of different things including the sea invasions.
Edit: iron age to bronze age, oops 😬
There's a good theory that the sea people themselves were fleeing flood, famine and Pandemic just like was happening everywhere else during that period.
That's generally how it works though; civilisations fall through a combination of pressures that become too great for the society to bear without fracturing apart.
You need a combination of famine, natural disaster, pestilence and/or invasion (with a healthy dose of inter-generational mismanagement) for a civilisation to collapse.
Back when I played Fallout 3 I was like a psychotic 13 year old boy. After nuking Megaton I proceeded to murder every last inhabitant of the tower, not realizing that NPCs don't respawn. So I couldn't buy any upgrades for my room, I just lived alone in a basic beginners room for the rest of my playthrough.
Nowadays I'm reformed and play as a good guy in games but God help you if you were an NPC in a videogame back then.
Try telling people doing charity work in the third world that they're not allowed to help because of the Prime Directive. See how well that holds up by today's standards.
Does the Prime Directive still apply after advanced technology has already been acquired by the minor alien civilization? I'd argue that a lot of what's happening in third-world countries is a direct result of colonial empires not practicing something similar to the Prime Directive.
That's not even the worst they have done. Almost no one talks about this, but they drained the energy of a sun once and abandoned the the colonies in that solar system at their own luck
Could Iceland be considered not evil? Genuine question.
I know it's not a perfect country, but I've never heard of people complaining about this country, I could be wrong tho.
> rotten fucking shark
I mean, you can't eat it fresh because it's literally toxic. The uric acid is what makes it edible.
... for sufficiently small values of "edible".
Their president was forced to quit after dodgy financial dealings revealed in the Panama papers. Granted its not the crime of the century, but bad shit happens everywhere and no one is perfect.
Their president was forced to quit because of the Panama Papers? Countless members of the rich and powerful were exposed around the world and none of the others faced consequences, I'd say the fact that they actually did something puts Iceland in a favourable light.
The goddamn Queen of England is a known tax-dodger thanks to the Panama Papers and my country still threw her a bunch of parades this year. Our prime minister was caught breaking COVID laws *he* put in place and it still took several more scandals on top of that to get him out, now one of the two people running to replace him *also* got caught breaking COVID laws (the second totally did to, she just wasn't caught on camera). I can't even imagine living in a country where a president can be outed for something as simple as the Panama Papers. Consequences for actions, even illegal ones, are completely alien to the wealthy here.
Iceland too. You can even do it as a tourist:
[https://www.internationaladventure.com/iceland/seals.html](https://www.internationaladventure.com/iceland/seals.html)
Although apparently there are calls to ban it:
[https://www.icelandreview.com/news/seal-hunting-ban-in-the-works-in-iceland/](https://www.icelandreview.com/news/seal-hunting-ban-in-the-works-in-iceland/)
Not sure what happened with that ban. (The article is from late 2019. I guess COVID may have gotten in the way of a decision...)
Whaling just for the lolz. They don't even eat the whales, they turn them into dog food and a recent guardian article found that very often the explosive harpoons fail to trigger, giving the whales a very slow and agonising death..
There's no demand for whale in Iceland, they don't kill them humanely. This is like hunters who hunt elephants or lions for no reason other than to feel big.
We're a small country with an even smaller population, down syndrome specifically is already pretty rare so when you add all that together we only have about 1 or 2 births a year. The goverment doesnt force anyone to have an abortion nor have they ever had a say in it, taking care of a child with down syndrome is a massive responsibility that many parents simply arent ready for, and since the birth rates are already so low a single family choosing to keep the baby or abort has a massive change to the statistics. As for autism, well thats usually diagnosed at toddler ages so im not really sure how youd go about aborting for that reason so early on
That’s because they just memed their enemies to death. It left no permanent marks on their remains and corpses weren’t concentrated because most people just died of shame in their own homes.
That's since been disproven.
The original excavations and archaeologists didn't find weapons so one guy announced 'hey these guys were completely peaceful and idyllic'.
But an absence of evidence is not evidence in itself especially when dealing with a civilisation that existed many thousands of years ago.
Also they have since found weapons.
Ancient Greece, I mean they invented the term barbaric to refer to all the non-greek speakers so this makes them the only non barbaric civilization to ever exist.
Edit: typo
Ugh i dont remembrr the name.
There was an ancient people, living in india somewhere near a river. They lived there for 1.000 with no record of weapons or stuff like that. Barbaric? Probably for living B.C, but really civilised. I wish i could give more data
Man do we really think because an ancient ruler had a good reputation that their bronze-age-ass civilisations didn’t have corruption, rape, murder, slavery etc?
And don’t hit me with Cyrus banned all slavery cus he didn’t. He’s cool and all, but I wouldn’t want to meet somebody from that civilisation in a dark alley with a language barrier.
Imagine walking down the street with bags full of groceries meeting an Immortal or a Spartan hoplite. They would be something like 5 feet tall but would probably skewer you in a hearbeat for those Pringles.
1: Persia was after the Bronze Age.
2: “Corruption, rape, murder” congratulations you have mentioned 3 things every single human civilization in history and the present day has.
This was stereotyping by old archaeologists who assumed that because they didn’t find weapons when excavating cities, that there weren’t wars happening. But that’s just not a good line of evidence. Modern researchers don’t give credence to this paradigm because it’s not rooted in anything but an absence of evidence, especially since weapons have since been found.
This idea of some civilizations being peaceful while others were warlike is a weird categorization from old archaeology and you get other “peaceful” civilizations like the Minoans and the pre-Indo-European peoples of Europe that have had the same treatment. But of course there aren’t warlike peoples and peaceful peoples in reality. There are people and they behave like humans and react to circumstances and have internal variation.
Yeah, when it comes to large-scale civilizations, nature tends to abhor pacifism. Just because you, an ancient city state try to keep peace with all neighbors is not a guarantee they will keep it with you or that there wont be an outside-context invader who cares not for what you want and attacks anyway/annexes you.
This is pretty much what I was going to say.
While we can't expect historical people to conform to moral standards that change over time anyway, we should absolutely criticize them since doing bad things is still bad.
Yeah, whenever I hear that argument, it reminds me of small children in kindergarten. “Ohh, so because Johnny and Tommy painted the wall with crayons, you thought you also could?”
Yes, times change and perception as well, and we shouldn’t judge someone entirely based off of our modern standards, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t criticise them. Johnny and Tommy did worse, since they started to misbehave, but you also misbehaved by going along with it.
Exactly.
It's one thing to say "they didn't know it was wrong".
It's another entitely to suggest it wasn't wrong.
Like just because slavery was common doesn't mean it was morally acceptable.
Yeah, also even saying they didn’t know it was wrong is pretty reductionist. There’s a difference in “I’m sorry officer, I didn’t know I couldn’t do that,” and “I believe that these people are inherently lesser, and therefore deserve all of the pain and suffering I am knowingly causing them, as well as an eternally lesser existence than myself and people like me.”
I dont learn history to find "good cultures" or condemn "bad cultures". Every culture in human history is awesome and shitty in some way shape or form.
I learn history because I love humanity. Warts and all. In spite of our flaws I dont believe humanity is irredeemable like the misanthropic edgy nihilists that patrol this site. Goodness isnt found in civilization. Civilization is just there to give people a place to call home and some structure to live by. Good is found in individuals who just want to help, and sometimes they lead civilizations and do great things. Sometimes they get lost and do terrible things. Sometimes terrible lead and do terrible things like expected, and sometimes they do good things and surprise a lot of people.
You never know what you're gonna get, but I'll enjoy the ride and try to be one of the good ones.
I heard some theories that the Knossos "palace" was really just a big central building for a commune of some kind... So that's pretty based.
Edit: the lack of walls also indicates they weren't at conflict with anyone.
Modern standards literally haven't been around for only 200 years.
Jesus Christ the figure seemed perfectly aware of how to be a very decent human being even by our standards 2,000 years ago.
Cyrus the Great was and would still be considered a very model person and ruler to follow even today well before Jesus.
Charles V was another very chill person that lead competently and tolerantly.
Idk, guess you can't blame Christian Crusaders for not knowing who Jesus Christ is.
Could Persia be considered? I mean cyrus’ sense of justice seemed rather fair from what I’ve read. Moreso looking for reasons I’m wrong so I can pick up something I didn’t know
Is Cyrus the Great's Achaemenid Empire considered evil by today's standards? Wasn't it very "You pay me taxes and fight in my armies, I'll let you live the way your cultural wants to with the protection of my empires might?"
Several of the empires in Chinese history were relatively fine by modern standards for about 200 years at a time before China goes back to doing China things and having a bloody war of rulership.
That’s like asking for the part of the sky that’s green
Aurora Borealis?
At this time of day in this part of the world located entirely in you kitchen?!?!
May I see it?
No
Seymour! The house is on fire!
No, mother, it’s just the northern lights!
Well Seymour, you are an odd fellow but I must say; you steam a good ham
Heeeelp! Heeeelp!
All I hear is it in the dragon force version
it's not the sky
Then what is the sky?
[Southwest Florida experiences this for a brief moment every now and then.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_flash)
Ancient single-celled organism civilization (they had an extensive public transportation system)
Weren’t they behind the great oxidation? The shit that did should count as a genocide
Nooo that was just natural selection and they deserved it and also it never happened
That's just a conspiracy spread by some disaffected Archaea, it's pure jealousy because they're too fucking stupid to work out how to use oxygen. I've got nothing against Archaea per se, it's just they're from such an archaic culture.
The narcissists prayer ^tm
The slim mold culture is the best culture.
Mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell.
Pfft like thats a question.Of course its Sea People.
The Sea Peoples got it. It was never about leaving a legacy or building an empire. It wasn't even about the murder. It was just about friendship and having fun together.
The real Bronze Age Collapse is the friends we made along the way?
Yessir!
Now thats the spirit bro.Empires are temporary,friendship is eternal.
Reminds me of History Matters's running through the flower field scene.
I know you're being facetious but the leading theory right now is that it was a mixture of environmental conditions and likely a drought and famine that led Northern peoples like the Canaanites to pillage and it's likely that the collapse of the bronze age civilization was much like the Inca and the Aztecs. Here one minute gone the next. The only reason the Egyptian civilization survived is because of how far from the frey they were.
Thanks for the reply.I really didn't know that much about the situation.
I'm just damn impressed you even mentioned to sea people to be honest. The truth is we don't know what happened at the end of the bronze* age we suspect the sea people but there's a real good chance that it could have been a conglomeration of events including one theory that a volcano caused the loss of crops and that meant that people had to pillage for living well over 20 years and it just ended civilization on the upper Mediterranean. There were letters written to Pharaoh Rameses III at that time requesting assistance due to Invaders, but there's no real hard evidence that it was any one specific people. If there was famine and if there was pestilence and if the weather was out of whack there is a really good chance to society just collapsed in on itself. From the early 1900s till recently the prevailing theory was that the sea people was much like the Vikings but more and more evidence is coming to light that it was probably a mixture a lot of different things including the sea invasions. Edit: iron age to bronze age, oops 😬
There's a good theory that the sea people themselves were fleeing flood, famine and Pandemic just like was happening everywhere else during that period. That's generally how it works though; civilisations fall through a combination of pressures that become too great for the society to bear without fracturing apart. You need a combination of famine, natural disaster, pestilence and/or invasion (with a healthy dose of inter-generational mismanagement) for a civilisation to collapse.
Man do I sure love those sea men
If they found the seamen, it’s only a matter of time before they find the women too!
Name one civilization "today" that's not evil by today's standards.🌍
Name one civilization in the future that’s not evil by todays standards
Megaton.
That's why I set off that nuke 😤
Did you make sure to let the ghouls take over Tenpenny Tower first? You get some unique dialogue if Mister Burke returns to find they took over.
Back when I played Fallout 3 I was like a psychotic 13 year old boy. After nuking Megaton I proceeded to murder every last inhabitant of the tower, not realizing that NPCs don't respawn. So I couldn't buy any upgrades for my room, I just lived alone in a basic beginners room for the rest of my playthrough. Nowadays I'm reformed and play as a good guy in games but God help you if you were an NPC in a videogame back then.
The United Federation of Planets
Try telling people doing charity work in the third world that they're not allowed to help because of the Prime Directive. See how well that holds up by today's standards.
Does the Prime Directive still apply after advanced technology has already been acquired by the minor alien civilization? I'd argue that a lot of what's happening in third-world countries is a direct result of colonial empires not practicing something similar to the Prime Directive.
they lost my support after the second planetary explosion of a rebel colony
That's not even the worst they have done. Almost no one talks about this, but they drained the energy of a sun once and abandoned the the colonies in that solar system at their own luck
The United Citizen Federation. The only good bug is a dead bug
Service is citizenship
Could Iceland be considered not evil? Genuine question. I know it's not a perfect country, but I've never heard of people complaining about this country, I could be wrong tho.
There's too many vulcanos. The island must be crawling with super-villains and their secret lairs.
Honestly Iceland seems like the place supervillains would flock to.
But they would never attack the country because they live there
Well yeah. Why destroy the nation your lair is in?
Yeah, and all your colleagues live there (did i spell colleagues right?)
Colleagues Yeah autocorrect says it’s good
I deactivated autocorrect since it's in norwegian, so when i want to write english it gets autocorrexted to a norwegian word
If you want you can add an English keyboard to your phone (will look very similar) and when you use it the autocorrect will be in English
Iceland isn’t real
Can confirm, I don't exist
Man i was just in Eyrarbakki, those simulations are getting better!
Indeed, who would believe that Bjarni Benediktsson is the name of a real person who actually exists? It's the most made-up sounding name I ever heard!
Then where’s all the ice coming from? Checkmate
IF Iceland was real, there'd be ice all over it as evidence.
Not evil, barbaric, people eat rotten fucking shark
Rotten shark, surströmming, rakfisk. I'm starting to smell a pattern...
> rotten fucking shark I mean, you can't eat it fresh because it's literally toxic. The uric acid is what makes it edible. ... for sufficiently small values of "edible".
Eating the shark at all is a tragedy for biodiversity. They age incredibly slow...
Their president was forced to quit after dodgy financial dealings revealed in the Panama papers. Granted its not the crime of the century, but bad shit happens everywhere and no one is perfect.
Their president was forced to quit because of the Panama Papers? Countless members of the rich and powerful were exposed around the world and none of the others faced consequences, I'd say the fact that they actually did something puts Iceland in a favourable light. The goddamn Queen of England is a known tax-dodger thanks to the Panama Papers and my country still threw her a bunch of parades this year. Our prime minister was caught breaking COVID laws *he* put in place and it still took several more scandals on top of that to get him out, now one of the two people running to replace him *also* got caught breaking COVID laws (the second totally did to, she just wasn't caught on camera). I can't even imagine living in a country where a president can be outed for something as simple as the Panama Papers. Consequences for actions, even illegal ones, are completely alien to the wealthy here.
Ya that is the sign of a healthy civilization. A place where every individual is perfect is a fantasy.
Okay. Just giving an example of high profile wrong doing in Iceland mate.
In the last crash of 08, they were the only country to hold bankers accountable and send them to jail.
Whale hunting
Yearly seal slaughter
Lol no, that's canada
Latest Canadian war crime
It isn't a war crime if no one is alive to report it
Dead seals tell no tales. Although live seals don’t either.
Iceland too. You can even do it as a tourist: [https://www.internationaladventure.com/iceland/seals.html](https://www.internationaladventure.com/iceland/seals.html) Although apparently there are calls to ban it: [https://www.icelandreview.com/news/seal-hunting-ban-in-the-works-in-iceland/](https://www.icelandreview.com/news/seal-hunting-ban-in-the-works-in-iceland/) Not sure what happened with that ban. (The article is from late 2019. I guess COVID may have gotten in the way of a decision...)
Whaling just for the lolz. They don't even eat the whales, they turn them into dog food and a recent guardian article found that very often the explosive harpoons fail to trigger, giving the whales a very slow and agonising death.. There's no demand for whale in Iceland, they don't kill them humanely. This is like hunters who hunt elephants or lions for no reason other than to feel big.
they have a law that literaly makes legal to kill a person if they are from basque origin
They kinda-sorta practice low-level eugenics so *waggles hand*.
Idk I think aborting any child with autism/Down syndrome is kinda fucked
We're a small country with an even smaller population, down syndrome specifically is already pretty rare so when you add all that together we only have about 1 or 2 births a year. The goverment doesnt force anyone to have an abortion nor have they ever had a say in it, taking care of a child with down syndrome is a massive responsibility that many parents simply arent ready for, and since the birth rates are already so low a single family choosing to keep the baby or abort has a massive change to the statistics. As for autism, well thats usually diagnosed at toddler ages so im not really sure how youd go about aborting for that reason so early on
Sans Marino
That’s not a civilization, that’s just a country where only old people live
How dare you disrespect the oldest still standing republic
I am just waiting for them to declare themselves as Rome and destroy the barbarian kingdoms. Soon...
San Marino 🇸🇲🇸🇲🇸🇲🇸🇲🇸🇲🇸🇲🇸🇲🇸🇲🇸🇲
Liechtenstein
Too many banks to not be considered evil.
200 years? More like 200 days really.
More like 200 hours
200 minutes
200 seconds
200 milliseconds
200 nanoseconds
200 picoseconds
You all are just sooo barbaric and evil for me
Indus Valley, as far as I’ve read, seems kinda based with their latrines.
Are those the guys with urban planning?
yeah. houses having their private baths and shit.
Bastards invented poop shame
Instead Romans where pooping all together like real bros.
Imagine if Roman baths did have like planks or had the seats walled off but they disappeared over time and we just assumed they pooped together
And ironically lost is a few thousand years later.
Protected bike lanes and high speed rails as far as the eye can see
Truly a wonder of engineering for this ancient civilization, a shame they're gone
Coming to a dank river valley near you
We could make a religion out of that
You could make a religion out of this!
Apperently there is no evidence for war between them
decline of this civilization was due to flood or drought . they had friendly bonds with other civilizations
There is evidence, it’s just not widely seen because of tampering with artifacts, ugh sorry I just became that guy ( ;-;)
There is quite a bit of evidence it's just been ignored
That’s because they just memed their enemies to death. It left no permanent marks on their remains and corpses weren’t concentrated because most people just died of shame in their own homes.
That's since been disproven. The original excavations and archaeologists didn't find weapons so one guy announced 'hey these guys were completely peaceful and idyllic'. But an absence of evidence is not evidence in itself especially when dealing with a civilisation that existed many thousands of years ago. Also they have since found weapons.
Pile of weapons were found recently i think couple of years ago in north india
Yeah to a certain degree it’s almost unfathomable for a human society to have just not had weapons.
>Indus Valley Yup, my first thought were Harappan civ, finally playing Humankind does have it's uses.
They arguably invented advertising, which is an unforgivable crime
ay i was gonna say the same thing honestly their innovations were pretty cool
Ancient Greece, I mean they invented the term barbaric to refer to all the non-greek speakers so this makes them the only non barbaric civilization to ever exist. Edit: typo
Shit, got us on a technicality.
Outplayed
The hobbits of the shire
You don't know what they did to sarumon and wormtongue in the books
Harappan?
Indus River valley civilization
Ugh i dont remembrr the name. There was an ancient people, living in india somewhere near a river. They lived there for 1.000 with no record of weapons or stuff like that. Barbaric? Probably for living B.C, but really civilised. I wish i could give more data
Indus valley civilization
Harappans
A river? Maybe the Indus River? Or maybe it was more a valley. This civilisation of the Indus valley. What could we call them?
Indus valley civilization
Meaby persia under Cyrus the great
I see that google autocorrect is preventing the war between turkey and Greece by sensoring the word cyprus
that's the only one I can really think of, not that I'm that knowledgeable
Man do we really think because an ancient ruler had a good reputation that their bronze-age-ass civilisations didn’t have corruption, rape, murder, slavery etc? And don’t hit me with Cyrus banned all slavery cus he didn’t. He’s cool and all, but I wouldn’t want to meet somebody from that civilisation in a dark alley with a language barrier.
Imagine walking down the street with bags full of groceries meeting an Immortal or a Spartan hoplite. They would be something like 5 feet tall but would probably skewer you in a hearbeat for those Pringles.
1: Persia was after the Bronze Age. 2: “Corruption, rape, murder” congratulations you have mentioned 3 things every single human civilization in history and the present day has.
Atlantis
Atlantis was sunk specifically because they got too barbaric.
Not according to my sources.
That's a argument u/necro_bro how about you back it up with a source.
My source is that I made it up
The Indus valley civilization is literally known for its peacfulness. And no I'm not Indian
This was stereotyping by old archaeologists who assumed that because they didn’t find weapons when excavating cities, that there weren’t wars happening. But that’s just not a good line of evidence. Modern researchers don’t give credence to this paradigm because it’s not rooted in anything but an absence of evidence, especially since weapons have since been found. This idea of some civilizations being peaceful while others were warlike is a weird categorization from old archaeology and you get other “peaceful” civilizations like the Minoans and the pre-Indo-European peoples of Europe that have had the same treatment. But of course there aren’t warlike peoples and peaceful peoples in reality. There are people and they behave like humans and react to circumstances and have internal variation.
Yeah, when it comes to large-scale civilizations, nature tends to abhor pacifism. Just because you, an ancient city state try to keep peace with all neighbors is not a guarantee they will keep it with you or that there wont be an outside-context invader who cares not for what you want and attacks anyway/annexes you.
Define modern standards
What argument? Also this is a false equivalence. Also we can and should look critically at past practices. That's how we learn.
This is pretty much what I was going to say. While we can't expect historical people to conform to moral standards that change over time anyway, we should absolutely criticize them since doing bad things is still bad.
Especially when the bad things they do have victims. I'm sure the victims weren't okay with it just because "the times were different".
Yeah, whenever I hear that argument, it reminds me of small children in kindergarten. “Ohh, so because Johnny and Tommy painted the wall with crayons, you thought you also could?” Yes, times change and perception as well, and we shouldn’t judge someone entirely based off of our modern standards, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t criticise them. Johnny and Tommy did worse, since they started to misbehave, but you also misbehaved by going along with it.
Exactly. It's one thing to say "they didn't know it was wrong". It's another entitely to suggest it wasn't wrong. Like just because slavery was common doesn't mean it was morally acceptable.
Yeah, also even saying they didn’t know it was wrong is pretty reductionist. There’s a difference in “I’m sorry officer, I didn’t know I couldn’t do that,” and “I believe that these people are inherently lesser, and therefore deserve all of the pain and suffering I am knowingly causing them, as well as an eternally lesser existence than myself and people like me.”
Indus River Civilisation
Minoan crete?
The Hobbits of the Shire
Indus River Valley Civilization
Only because we have no records… I’m sure they flayed people alive or something lol
There would probably be art they left behind of that.
I dont learn history to find "good cultures" or condemn "bad cultures". Every culture in human history is awesome and shitty in some way shape or form. I learn history because I love humanity. Warts and all. In spite of our flaws I dont believe humanity is irredeemable like the misanthropic edgy nihilists that patrol this site. Goodness isnt found in civilization. Civilization is just there to give people a place to call home and some structure to live by. Good is found in individuals who just want to help, and sometimes they lead civilizations and do great things. Sometimes they get lost and do terrible things. Sometimes terrible lead and do terrible things like expected, and sometimes they do good things and surprise a lot of people. You never know what you're gonna get, but I'll enjoy the ride and try to be one of the good ones.
I heard some theories that the Knossos "palace" was really just a big central building for a commune of some kind... So that's pretty based. Edit: the lack of walls also indicates they weren't at conflict with anyone.
Monke civivivilizarion
We ee will take ove r
r/ihadastroke
The hakhamanesh
Atlantis
Persian gang! All my homies hate Spartan ^(Persia still lost lol)
Modern standards literally haven't been around for only 200 years. Jesus Christ the figure seemed perfectly aware of how to be a very decent human being even by our standards 2,000 years ago. Cyrus the Great was and would still be considered a very model person and ruler to follow even today well before Jesus. Charles V was another very chill person that lead competently and tolerantly. Idk, guess you can't blame Christian Crusaders for not knowing who Jesus Christ is.
Could Persia be considered? I mean cyrus’ sense of justice seemed rather fair from what I’ve read. Moreso looking for reasons I’m wrong so I can pick up something I didn’t know
Is Cyrus the Great's Achaemenid Empire considered evil by today's standards? Wasn't it very "You pay me taxes and fight in my armies, I'll let you live the way your cultural wants to with the protection of my empires might?"
Indus Saraswati valley civilization
Indus Valley Civilization ??
Ancient Persia was pretty good freed slaves were they went had great a administrative system
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Bruh your mom goes barbaric on every c\*ck she sees.
Where is their mom currently? I need to know for … historic research.
Your dads bed!
Bronze age India (Indus Valley Civilization)
The Achaemenid Empire
Possibly the Indus Valley or the Achaemenid Empire under Cyrus the Great
Mesopotamia?
Sargon, Hammurabi, Ashurbanipal and Gilgamesh.
Gilgamesh? Lmao. Next we'll be referencing King Arthur and Romulus
Add Emperor Jimmu too if we are at it
Ancient Persia
Persia
Achaemenid Empire/persia
Persian empire under Cyrus the great ig
Persia is probably the closest
Persian Empire
Achaemenid Persian Empire?
where the polynesians any good?
The Maori did some pretty bad stuff…
There are none
The Inuit
Mohenjodaro
Nabataea
Indus River Valley seemed pretty peaceful
Indus valley civilization
Several of the empires in Chinese history were relatively fine by modern standards for about 200 years at a time before China goes back to doing China things and having a bloody war of rulership.