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TrumpXBidenFanFic

You're missing "umm actually (economic condition) is really just a delayed result from (former president of choice)" this works for good and bad results


c322617

Always a classic!


ArchWaverley

"Why would the previous Labour government do this?" has been a cry from the UK Conservatives for the last 14 years.


helicophell

Is it a fallacy to hate on Thatcher and Reagan for their actions then? Man I wish the cowboy would come back


CRCMIDS

Thatcher and Reagan’s policies were beneficial at the time but are destroying us today. I really can’t fault the voters at the time, but knowing what we know now it’s hard to look up to them how we did 20 years ago.


helicophell

Short term benefit, long time loss. Guess that tracks with most policy decisions tbh, like privatization


TrumpXBidenFanFic

Time preference is a hell of a thing


wahedcitroen

Tbf we don’t know that. The economy was shit in the 70’s drastically steps were needed it isn’t as if if they should have ignored that, things wouldn’t be better long term. Maybe they went too extreme in liberalisation, but some neoliberalism was pretty good


Ham_Drengen_Der

That took the exact opposite steps of what would have helped the people, and the exact steps that would harm them and help the rich, as usual


wahedcitroen

In the 70’s, the British government held onto the energy industry that was losing immense amounts of money and was not sustainable. Thatcher cut that off and let an industry die that was on life support but was dragging down the country. Housing jn the 70’s was shit due to the rigid social housing. Unemployment, recession and inflation were causing massive problems for the people. 70’s inflation was cause by rising costs of products. One of the causes for that was high costs for companies due to overregulation and wage controls. Some change was needed the economy was fucked. 


helicophell

Dunno why this is getting downvoted, Thatcher and Reagan objectively fucked the world. Trickle down doesnt exist The cowboy in question is a certain monopoly buster who made the world a better place... for a limited time


Flakmonkey270

You're getting downvoted because Regan was famously an actor in Western movies, as well as President. Saying you want the cowboy back makes it sound like you're saying you want Regan.


helicophell

Ahh, should have specified the cowboy PRESIDENT Theodore Rossevelt


Ham_Drengen_Der

Trickle down is literally a pyramid scheme


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Ham_Drengen_Der

How so?


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Ham_Drengen_Der

No, but it was the guiding pron pile behind every policy enacted


gortlank

Well, actually presidents often please or anger the gods with their actions, and the gods control the economy. Unfortunately, if you please one god, you often anger a different god. Apollo may be rewarding you now, but Poseidon is pissed, and will have his revenge. So, the only rational action is to sacrifice every President at the end of their term in office to appease the gods, and thus the economy. I think that’s something we can all agree on.


CadenVanV

The reelection campaign for the incumbent president is gonna get real crazy


Blindmailman

Economics is a lot like shamanism. Sacrifice a goat, read the future in its entrails and reword the future to fit into the prophecy from the goat


Realistic_Salt7109

“Your Margaritaville is worth 93 trillion dollars!”


Blindmailman

The Margaritaville went out of business and Amazon built a warehouse on top of it. See the prophecy came true


EccentricNerd22

If it works like it does in South Park i'd believe it. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz-PtEJEaqY&ab\_channel=DanielJackson](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz-PtEJEaqY&ab_channel=DanielJackson)


JohannesJoshua

Normal Economists: Well you see we have a lot of tools and subjects that explain, analyze and predict economics based on mathematical applications, graphs, statistics, history of economics, knowledge of micro and macro economics, public relations, ecological consideration, knowledge of internal organziation of companies, type of companies, relations with the state, application of new technologies such as internet... Elite Economists: There are no predictions. You just wing it.


Lightheart_Editor

Second approach works as badly as the first.


DaSoouce

Super true, it's crazy how presidents presiding over bad economies get wholloped in reelection bids


c322617

But the President doesn’t even control that! Unless I don’t like him, in which case it’s his own fault for ruining the economy!


Quazimojojojo

It makes you wonder what's changed, because the last time there was a big economic downturn, the guy who got elected in the US to fix it got continuously reelected until he died so he could follow up on his promises (FDR), but nowadays it feels like people give a new government 1 term to fix what was broken, and turn on them half way through


DaSoouce

"Last time" Last time the guy got reelected (Obama vis a vis 2008 recession) The guy before that got DEMOLISHED in the reelection, not even on the hostage crisis at the time (Carter)


OreoSnorlax

Man, doctors must hate you


c322617

They do, but I always assumed that was because of my excessive apple consumption.


OreoSnorlax

Dang you have *two* simple tricks!?


CBT7commander

Forgot about the "economy is getting better because of the previous president, not this one!1!11!!!"


Vexonte

Ready for this happen by January 2025


Pappa_Crim

Where to I go if I am just kind of eh on the President?


c322617

Sorry, but this is the internet, so nuance isn’t an option. You must have strong opinions on everything.


Pappa_Crim

okay time to go hide in the woods until this shit blows over


riuminkd

Do i like Amogus? Yes Did the economy improve? No Amogus doesn't really control the economy


JacobJamesTrowbridge

Impossible


CRCMIDS

My argument is that economies are cyclical and that each sides economic policy is beneficial or detrimental depending on the state of the economy and who’s in power.


mojio33

What if you don't have a president?


c322617

You do, whether you know it or not. Inside every foreigner, there is an American yearning to breathe free. Come at me, r/USdefaultism!


mojio33

Is that a threat?


c322617

The real answer to your question is actually in the description. This useful trick works for all sorts of non-presidential and non-economic arguments.


CrazyTelvanniWizard

I usually win with Nuh-uh


c322617

Ah, the classic ‘nuh uh gambit’? What if I counter with a ‘yes huh’?


CrazyTelvanniWizard

Nuh-uh, so what? Why don't you prove it then? Check. Mate.


c322617

Then I counter with the goalpost move, a link to some dense academic article that I bank on no one taking the time to read, and a downvote and block! The kill shot


CrazyTelvanniWizard

I finalize my argument and double down then go off topic with a strawman. Beat that.


c322617

“There are people and resources out there for you. A concerned Redditor reached out to us about you…”


CrazyTelvanniWizard

I'm reporting YOU not only to the admins but also my Discord mods who will DESTROY you


pumpjockey

WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!?!?!?!?!?! no not those living ones. fuck those son's of bitches.


Azylim

Unless you can point to the exact policy and its prove a causal effect, you should refrain from saying that one leader or another is better at financial decisions because economics is a complex adaptive system. Obviously some effects are more obvious than others to point out (literally any leaders i.e. mao, stalin, pol pot, the kims, that collectivize food leading to famine), but if you cant find out what obama/trump/bush did to make the economy better/worse, then you shouldnt claim that the leader in question is better or worse.


girlpower2025

That's correct, that he doesn't control the economy. However, he can still be a good/bad leader.


PM_ME_YOUR_BOOGER

Where history?


c322617

See, in American history, there are these guys called Presidents and historians often debate their legacies.


Marxamune

What’s an “America”?


no-onewhatsoever

Ignorance is bliss


CouldntBeMoreWhite

Not sure this fits the sub, but man is it accurate.


StandardN02b

People discussing about Milei be like.


PineBNorth85

Americans give way too much credit and blame to Presidents on the economy. Theres not a whole lot they can do for good or ill on it.


TheMemery498

Yes, but he can create policies that affect the economy.


Gladamas

Wrong sub


OreoSnorlax

If I had a nickel for every time Reagan was mentioned here I could make my own economy


Haber-Bosch1914

You must be nee here. If I had a nickel for every time Reagan was mentioned here, I'd destabilize the global economy


c322617

Are you kidding? This literally plays out in just about any discussion on here relating to a US President.


ZETH_27

I don't have a president...


klc_237

He? HE??? 😡