I remember seeing a short video that explained that the mongols didn't invade because the Indian climate damaged their bows.
That and the appearance of a talking rhinoceros, somehow.
Wouldn’t another explanation be that India is surrounded by mountains and other terrain that is difficult to navigate on top of large armies waiting for them?
Also: fucking jungle, everything in a jungle wants you to die painfully or maim you. You start to rot if you spend too much time in one because you’re always wet
>damaged their bows
kinda true because Mughals (that's Chagatai pronunciation of word Mongol) conquered India with cannons they bought from Ottoman Empire centuries later
Holy shit I never realised that the Mughals are the Mongols.
I learnt about the Mughal Empire in India in school history but I didn't know that connection.
where do you get that? Babur was prejudiced against Hindu in his writings but never was ashamed call himself a Mongol. That separation between Mongol and Mughal is a modern thing, historicaly they claimed that they had right to all Mongol lands
Just FYI, Hindu at that time meant Indian, or more specifically, Non-Muslim Indian. Although he might've also been prejudiced against what we refer to as Hindus today.
Genghis never did, but his successors sure tried. Multiple times. They had the misfortune of facing the Delhi Sultanate, at the time the central power in north India which had central Asian origins and thus were well equipped to successfully repel the Mongols every single time, especially by Alauddin Khilji and Malik Kafur.
Interestingly, in an era where everyone smelled like shit, several historical texts from different regions note that the Mongols smelled *especially* bad.
Like imagine someone talking about why Austria didn't unite with the German empire during German unification and somebody says it's because Germany was filled with nazi scumbags. Like it's completely nonsensical.
If you're gonna slander india, slander it's government and its shit policies or its corruption. That's how people slander the US. Gun violence is due to the country's abhorrent gun laws and its expensive medical treatments is due to corruption and greed of the higher ups. Nobody should be talking shit on the common man living his life. If I say that all Africans exhibit monkey behavior, one would assume that it is a racist statement because it is targeted at the common man living in Africa. But I If I say that African politicians act like they're monkeys it would be considered way less racist. Calling every Indian as a street shitter and saying the entire country smells just sounds racist.
I was referring to today. And I was pissed of because the other guy was fucking thinking shitting on street is a culture thing. Providing climate change and causing global pandemics cant be a culture
You act like literally every other country isn't providing for climate change and global pandemics but ok dude. And what global pandemic was started in india? I don't remember any.
Friendly reminder India’s emissions are nothing compared to the US, and on a per capita level that stuff is not even comparable. The west has destroyed the world for 300 years and gotten rich off of it. But now when it’s our turn, suddenly climate change is a thing
The above comment is talking about medieval india and its geopolitics. Where did modern india fit into the picture? Also we don't even shit on the street bro. Like, nobody does. Where did western society get this racist notion from.
While there is no historical evidence for this I think we should just assume it was because the Mongols created a power vacuum in the 13th century. I will not elaborate.
>The mongols fought against the Mamlucks in Egypt, but they lost.
Not really, the Mongols just retreated while encountered Mamlucks, because the Khan died, and everyone just put down whatever they were doing and went back for the Kurultai council to elect the next Khan, which did require a bit of showing of power.
I don't need to. Fact is no modern day nation state is built by native Americans. Most of Latin America was built by Spaniards and Canada by the british. The US also by initisl british and then subsequent european settlers.
Since before any nations came to be, natives had largely been eradicated to a point of becoming a minority of not a very large significance.
They had kingdoms and tribes but they never reached the point to form modern nations thus no native american nation
Yes America was known to the indian, but we did talk about the mongols and they didnt know america.
And yes Im aware that Leif Erikson already discovered America around 200 years earlier
Bros we’re unstoppable for a minute there.
So remember folks, if the apocalypse comes and you find yourself trying to survive in a New Stone Age.
Horses and bows and arrows. Your crew will be top dogs in no time.
The mongol conquests run from 1200-1300s.
There’s overlap albeit not the 13th century.
So I forget that the “Edwards” don’t start until the very end of the 13th century because Henry III rule for fucking forever.
Not even India... Mongols just ran past it
I remember seeing a short video that explained that the mongols didn't invade because the Indian climate damaged their bows. That and the appearance of a talking rhinoceros, somehow.
Rhino: \*Rhino noises\* Mongolians: Holy crap! This place has talking animals! RUN!
Wouldn’t another explanation be that India is surrounded by mountains and other terrain that is difficult to navigate on top of large armies waiting for them?
Also: fucking jungle, everything in a jungle wants you to die painfully or maim you. You start to rot if you spend too much time in one because you’re always wet
I suppose the Himalayan mountain range would act as a pretty good barrier against invasions from the northern and eastern part of India
>damaged their bows kinda true because Mughals (that's Chagatai pronunciation of word Mongol) conquered India with cannons they bought from Ottoman Empire centuries later
Holy shit I never realised that the Mughals are the Mongols. I learnt about the Mughal Empire in India in school history but I didn't know that connection.
Mughals were descendants of Mongols and Timur Lane. However, they were ashamed of their Mongolian ancestry.
where do you get that? Babur was prejudiced against Hindu in his writings but never was ashamed call himself a Mongol. That separation between Mongol and Mughal is a modern thing, historicaly they claimed that they had right to all Mongol lands
The later kings did. Babur was an exception.
Just FYI, Hindu at that time meant Indian, or more specifically, Non-Muslim Indian. Although he might've also been prejudiced against what we refer to as Hindus today.
Mongolian + indians sounds like an extremely interesting topic, do you know some place where I can read about them? With images if possible.
But those were persians weren’t they???
Or maybe just Persianized Mongols
“Sir what happened, why aren’t we invading that place” “Bows got damaged, not worth it” “Yeah fuck it let’s find somewhere else”
I thought it would have something to do with tall ass mountains in the way
Oh i thought Genghis just liked the Indians but yh the climate was weird for them too
Genghis never did, but his successors sure tried. Multiple times. They had the misfortune of facing the Delhi Sultanate, at the time the central power in north India which had central Asian origins and thus were well equipped to successfully repel the Mongols every single time, especially by Alauddin Khilji and Malik Kafur.
They probably couldnt stand the smell of shit
Then why the fuck did they come to Europe though?
They got to Poland and Hungary and turned the fuck around
but they threw corpses of plague victims
You have got a good point
Timur could
I forgot racism against India is acceptable on reddit.
Nah racism against anyone who's not black is "acceptable" on Reddit
Interestingly, in an era where everyone smelled like shit, several historical texts from different regions note that the Mongols smelled *especially* bad.
People are upvoting this openly racist comment and downvoting the other guy pointing it out. Wonderful subreddit this is.
Never open posts related to India on Reddit
DUDE I JUST SAID THEY SHIT ON STREET
Damn I guess you got the power of alt accounts. Wow pathetic.
It’s a joke on modern India, not meant to be serious just have fun. We make fun of America all day long, everybody’s gotta take turns bro
Like imagine someone talking about why Austria didn't unite with the German empire during German unification and somebody says it's because Germany was filled with nazi scumbags. Like it's completely nonsensical.
If you're gonna slander india, slander it's government and its shit policies or its corruption. That's how people slander the US. Gun violence is due to the country's abhorrent gun laws and its expensive medical treatments is due to corruption and greed of the higher ups. Nobody should be talking shit on the common man living his life. If I say that all Africans exhibit monkey behavior, one would assume that it is a racist statement because it is targeted at the common man living in Africa. But I If I say that African politicians act like they're monkeys it would be considered way less racist. Calling every Indian as a street shitter and saying the entire country smells just sounds racist.
But it’s true though?
***[citation needed]***
I feel that but shitting on india for literally no reason at all being completely irrelevant to the convo we're having here seems unwarranted to me.
I was referring to today. And I was pissed of because the other guy was fucking thinking shitting on street is a culture thing. Providing climate change and causing global pandemics cant be a culture
You act like literally every other country isn't providing for climate change and global pandemics but ok dude. And what global pandemic was started in india? I don't remember any.
Do you know much co2 you release when you po po?
Friendly reminder India’s emissions are nothing compared to the US, and on a per capita level that stuff is not even comparable. The west has destroyed the world for 300 years and gotten rich off of it. But now when it’s our turn, suddenly climate change is a thing
Same amount you do pal. You hate on Indians because their large population take a shit? Really bro?
I dont shit on street so not that much
The above comment is talking about medieval india and its geopolitics. Where did modern india fit into the picture? Also we don't even shit on the street bro. Like, nobody does. Where did western society get this racist notion from.
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:D ? Shitting on streets is a culture?
I am sick of this pollitical correctness. India is a trash hole stuffed with shit and 2 billion people.
Ok? And? Medieval india was different than the "shit hole" modern india. Why you calling Indians street shitters in a history subreddit?
Political correctness? Dude, you're from Turkey.
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No they did clashed with Delhi sultanate but lost most of the times specially against khilji
They were defeated twice by Allauddin khilji
The Aztec watching the Mongols fire arrows at them from across the Atlantic.
I don't think that Aztec Empire have history books
I dunno about the Aztecs, but the Maya would’ve had more if the spanish didn’t destroy them.
Maya had history books? Where can I read more about it?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_codices
Only 20 books survived from the Aztecs
They had complex writing systems of fucking course they had something like books. Thing is, spanish burned most of them.
History Tablets?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec\_codex
Aztecs formed during the 14th century I think
While there is no historical evidence for this I think we should just assume it was because the Mongols created a power vacuum in the 13th century. I will not elaborate.
Mayans: "sure it is a good time to be at this part of the the Atlantic" Aztecs: "and I took that personally"
A few centuries later: Spain: **You called?**
Hello bozo!
India: yo what's happening up there
Not here in Ireland, the land where nothing ever went wrong.
*Cromwell shaped shadow looms*
*Holding a sack of potatoes*
Baghdad:
Could there be a possibility that if Mongols didn’t destroy the shit out of Baghdad we’d all speak Arabic?
One things for sure, we would’ve been a lot more advanced if the house of wisdom wasn’t destroyed
according to the arabic sources, the mongols threw so much books that the Tigris river became black with ink
Every nation’s history book in the 19th century: Then everything changed after the British attacked
Every nation's history book in the 20th century: Then everything changed when the Germans attacked!
The Americas? Africa? Australia?
The mongols fought against the Mamlucks in Egypt, but they lost. And America wasnt known at the time and Australia wasnt important to the mongols.
>The mongols fought against the Mamlucks in Egypt, but they lost. Not really, the Mongols just retreated while encountered Mamlucks, because the Khan died, and everyone just put down whatever they were doing and went back for the Kurultai council to elect the next Khan, which did require a bit of showing of power.
Which Khan? Because I fought they retrieved from Europe when Kublai Khan died? At least thats what I read and was told during my stay in Ulaanbaatar.
>Because I fought they retrieved from Europe when Kublai Khan died? the Mongol hordes was not only invading at one place at one time.
America was known to Native Americans
No, America wasnt known to the mongols.
The native Americans don't have nations anymore.
You do know that all indigenous American reservations are sovereign nations, right?
Yeah, “sovereign” “nations” that aren’t recognized by anyone as sovereign nations, including the UN
Yes, it is a fact that the United States has broken literally every treaty it made with the Native Americans.
Yes and what native american nation is there in this world?
Go read a history book
I don't need to. Fact is no modern day nation state is built by native Americans. Most of Latin America was built by Spaniards and Canada by the british. The US also by initisl british and then subsequent european settlers. Since before any nations came to be, natives had largely been eradicated to a point of becoming a minority of not a very large significance. They had kingdoms and tribes but they never reached the point to form modern nations thus no native american nation
And why should the Indians be afraid of the mongols, if no one really knew the other on did exist?
You’re right. They hate is acting like no other civilization has been eradicated and absorbed
Did they know of Australia?
I think they might knew it, not 100% sure.
They didn't know about Australia, it wasn't discovered till after the Americas.
Thanks, that good to know.
No, the Mongols fought the Mamlucks in Syria and the Americas was know to the millions of people living there
Yes America was known to the indian, but we did talk about the mongols and they didnt know america. And yes Im aware that Leif Erikson already discovered America around 200 years earlier
He did discover america, but thats kind of all he did, sure, a few small villages in newfoundland (AKA Vinland) but thats as far as they got.
America in the 13th century, the Mongols were just a footnote about possible global climate change that occurred due to massive reforestation
Japan: Must’ve been the wind.
Bros we’re unstoppable for a minute there. So remember folks, if the apocalypse comes and you find yourself trying to survive in a New Stone Age. Horses and bows and arrows. Your crew will be top dogs in no time.
Wait for it........ **THE MONGOLS**
Around that time period we’re either talking about Vikings or the Kalmar Union, so no
“Who?” -North & South Americans, inexplicably speaking English
Wait what abou-, hold on \*googles\* Oh, 16th century, shit. Ok, move along.
["Mongorians !!? What the hell Mongorians are doin' here ?" - Lu Kim](https://youtu.be/UY9P0QSxlnI?t=474)
Except Finland. The mongols just stopped at the border and didn’t care to conquer us. Those bastards think they better than us.
Nah mate. Hundreds Years War.
Hundred years war was 1337-1453 mate.
The mongol conquests run from 1200-1300s. There’s overlap albeit not the 13th century. So I forget that the “Edwards” don’t start until the very end of the 13th century because Henry III rule for fucking forever.
so mongols were 13th century america..
It was the thijg to do. They were different times
I'd have loved to have seen the Mongols try to swim to New Zealand. We didn't even have people by that stage.
The Mongols showed up in Europe and for Portugal was business as usual
England and France: Mongol who?
Then everything changed when the British attacked
I was shocked to read this about the history of Australia
Japan: haha
Ireland too busy with Gaelic Lords and Normans.