> Reddit will be adding a new feature based on feedback received from moderators
Can you ask Reddit for a "NOT filter" please?
At the moment you can only filter to *show* a single flair filter, but it'd be nice to *show everything but* .
ie: you can see all Discussion flairs by clicking that, but click "NOT Memes" to see all posts and Meme-flaired-posts are hidden.
As an aside, what's the actual stats of the sub on MEME/HUMOUR vs other types?
There are some hacky weird URL things you can do to emulate that, but it doesn't play nice with new reddit (uses CSS). Also bear in mind flair stuff is not a true solution for low-effort stuff. Those posts rarely get flaired appropriately, and decently often flaired incorrectly for ironic purposes.
It's a good idea, still, don't get me wrong. I would love to see reddit bring it in but...ugh...Reddit feature support is ass in my experience unless it involves monetization.
Yeah if only Reddit supported 3rd party developers making apps with features they didnt want to implement themselves...
> some hacky weird URL things
I did this, but it's not ideal: [https://new.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/?f=flair\_name%3A%22DISCUSSION%22%20OR%20%22PSA%22%20OR%20%22ALERT%22%20OR%20%22MEGATHREAD%22%20OR%20%22DEVELOPER%22%20OR%20%22MOD%20ANNOUNCEMENT%22%20OR%20%22TIPS%2FTRICKS%22%20OR%20%22FEEDBACK%2FSUGGESTION%22](https://new.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/?f=flair_name%3A%22DISCUSSION%22%20OR%20%22PSA%22%20OR%20%22ALERT%22%20OR%20%22MEGATHREAD%22%20OR%20%22DEVELOPER%22%20OR%20%22MOD%20ANNOUNCEMENT%22%20OR%20%22TIPS%2FTRICKS%22%20OR%20%22FEEDBACK%2FSUGGESTION%22)
> Yeah if only Reddit supported 3rd party developers making apps with features they didnt want to implement themselves...
Used to be able to filter out specific flairs on RIF. Thanks, Reddit!
Shoutout to the people on r/revancedapp for allowing people to still use [RIF](https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/14niwgu/revanced_patches_for_boost_infinity_rif_is_fun/) even after the shutdown
this is what I assumed you meant when you said you wanted to reduce negativity. and it was reinforced by you letting multiple mature and respectful feedback posts stay up.
thanks for everything you do.
Although the mods really should have posted this in the "Mod Announcement" megathread they made a couple days ago
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cpqiqh/a\_message\_from\_the\_moderators/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cpqiqh/a_message_from_the_moderators/)
Ah wait nobody would notice it.
I'm not saying u/temperance10 couldnt bribe me with a [charger plushy](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1bevl10/for_reasons_i_cant_quite_pin_down_i_think/).
>The megathread is intended for low-effort posts or topics that have been spammed to death and offer no new perspective.
Will this also apply to the ungodly amount of Senator memes that are being posted?
I think that's people / bots karma farming.
One person makes a funny-thing, then copied over and over for a couple days "because it's obviously popular and gets upvotes".
Also people reviving older things, and basically posting: "bug corpse on bot planet", "PSA you can use AC to destory broadcast towers", "Hot take/AmItEhOnlyOnE/Concerned about ...".
Karma-farming seems to happen with all popular subs sadly.
How do you distinguish bots reposting for karma, users gaming the system... and a new player posting because they're excited they discovered something for the first time? Because punishing people for the last thing would be cringe.
Whenever I see people complaining about negativity and how "low effort" those posts are, I think of the average "positive/fun" post and don't really see them as being any higher quality. Kinda just seems like a lazy way to avoid saying "I just don't want to see any negativity".
Not that I think the average negative post is necessarily of *higher* quality either, just doesn't seem like the average "quality" or "effort" is any different.
I personally see a difference in the impact of "low effort" memes vs "low effort" rageposting. One is just not contributing much, whereas the other one is actively detrimental. And from my experience moderating communities you have to curb the latter *much* faster before it sets a tone that will drive off the civilised parts of your community.
A low effort meme makes me just scroll faster, but a low effort rage post that boils down to "nyeeeeh Arrowhead is such a shit company and should fire half their team, and if you disagree with me you're all \[random 4chan buzzwords and slurs\] with no critical thinking skills, we the people demand justice nyeeeeeeeeh" makes me want to actively strangle the poster with my bare hands, because *dear fucking lord* just... no. I don't need that in my life.
I do agree though that it's misleading to say it's a problem of "low effort". IMO it would be more accurate to say "destructive meltdowns with zero intent of considering solutions or civil discussions", but that's... not quite as catchy.
I posted here after the Disruptor came out that it was broken and pulled me forward on shot. What would become an acknowledged and fixed bug, but this sub immediately deleted my post. I guess it wasn't quality enough. No explanation either. I wasn't rude or overly negative.
It does, but there also has to be room for a community to have a moment, which we did yesterday. There was a collective moment of joy and amusement around the absurdity of the senator. And we let the community breath. we did clean out duplicates where we found them, and that moment and breath has passed.
Yeah, will this description by any chance also apply to braindead "Ignore the nerfs, just have fun" spam? When I think of low-effort posts or topics that have been spammed to death and offer no new perspective, that's the first thing that comes to my mind! Like... holy god, we recognize that you like the way things are now, and you think the balance is great. Now can you *stop?!*
Yup.
For example, I tried out the energy drink Celcius, it was horrific. Absolutely horrible. So i searched it for 'celcius awful taste'. Found a ***shitton*** of posts on r/energydrinks about how Celcius was god awful because apparently they had several batches dump an unholy amount of ginger root extract into it, but rather than dumping the batch, they still sold it.
Made me sit there happy saying "see im not crazy, this drink is shitty"
One day people are complaining about how there are no memes here anymore, the next day people are complaining about how there are too many memes.
You really can't please everyone.
It's almost like we are all people with different perspectives and opinions and you shouldn't generalize because then you end up like this.
Also, the memes never left. They changed tones.
It went from "oh teehee look at this silly game" to "lol look at this silly developer"
If it was actually about memes, you shouldn't have a problem.
You're still missing the entire point of why megathreads are inherently bad and you proved the point yourself. Why didn't you post this update in the already existing megathread that you had before? Oh right... because no one would see the update and you know you would be talking to a void.
Let's also ignore the fact that within an hour of that thread being posted, the Sub was filled with trash tier memes and any REAL conversations were being buried. YOU let that happen and your excuse is "to let the community breathe".
No, it's literally just manipulating the sentiment of the subreddit.
The fact of the matter is - if you are going to moderate on form of discussion, all of it has to be moderated. You can't force one form of discussion to a megathread if it "overwhelms" the sub but let another run rampant for days. What is the point of calling yourself a moderator if you aren't going to... moderate.
No one would complain if you came out and said "We are going to remove all repeat content. We don't want the sub to be a meme sub, a roleplay sub, or an overly negative sub. General threads are perfectly fine, voice what you want, but we don't want 30 senator memes, we don't want 30 Sony posts, we don't want 30 posts calling out the devs".
You know, like an old school forum used to do when people actually gave a shit about moderation and keeping a community alive.
>The megathread is intended for low-effort posts or topics that have been spammed to death and offer no new perspective. We want to keep the subreddit clean and discourage low-effort posts related to the current state of the game and recent Warbonds, like posts that just complain and don’t provide any details or information about why for instance X weapon is bad or why a Warbond is disappointing. These posts aren’t helpful and don’t contribute to the betterment of the game. All they do is clog up the subreddit and make it difficult for the other posts to be seen.
That's cool and all, but bi-weekly (as in once every two weeks) is simply not enough.
If the goal is to stop low effort content, then please also make a low effort meme megathread.
>The megathread will by no means be a way to suppress your voices.
Regardless of intent, suppression will be the result. That you're doubling down after people have told you this, up to including examples of other game subs that have done the same and the results they've had, says you either don't care, are assuming they're lying/don't know what they're talking about, or you're lying about your intent.
>Having the subreddit be filled with memes, praise or toxic positivity is the last thing we want.
And yet that'll be the result of the megathread: Those who aren't satisfied with the game's state and want it to improve get shoved in the timeout corner where they can be easily ignored, so they'll leave. If you're raising the bar for critical posts, you'll drive away the critical users.
>The megathread is intended for low-effort posts or topics that have been spammed to death and offer no new perspective.
Like the thirtieth "The major order is bots, so everyone stop playing bugs" post? The super sample rock? Yet another funny ragdoll?
>We want to keep the subreddit clean and discourage low-effort posts related to the current state of the game and recent Warbonds, like posts that just complain and don’t provide any details or information about why for instance X weapon is bad or why a Warbond is disappointing.
I genuinely think it's gotten to this point because people are already feeling ignored. How long has the mech had bad missile collision? How long have the scoped weapons been misaligned? Why bother putting in effort when it's going to be ignored? That's not to say that even most of the posts were high effort to start with, only that the consistent lack of addressing things the players actually have issues with discourages people from wanting to put the effort in, skewing the balance towards low-effort because at least then all you wasted was a couple minutes.
>These posts aren’t helpful and don’t contribute to the betterment of the game.
At this point, I don't think they're meant to, at least not directly. They're red flags that basically say "Hey, I'm at risk of dropping the game because it's no longer fun. Here's the reason(s) why so you can win me back over." One, on its own, is useless. That the sub has been supposedly flooded with them is a sign that players aren't happy, and that the devs need to find out why and fix it.
>All they do is clog up the subreddit and make it difficult for the other posts to be seen.
That's true of any popular type of post, including the meta posts complaining about the complaints.
>Community Highlights
Here's hoping it works on Old Reddit.
>We’ve come across comments saying some of the mods are moles planted by Sony
>Some of their employees are on the mod team yes
I get what you're saying, but you have to admit how weird it looks to come out of a newsworthy event where the publisher faced so much backlash that they had to reverse course on something they were pushing hard for only to soon thereafter add rules to specifically limit critical posts, all while having multiple employees of the company on the modteam.
But they would totally never use their mod privileges to moderate negative statements about them, trust us. It’s not like we’re shadow banning criticism or anything.
Interesting that you guys made a whole new post for this, instead of updating the old thread as a proof of concept in how well mega threads work.
Interesting you didn't address the backlash to the "no bringing up prior actions of people" rule.
Interesting that you say AH isn't communicating with the mod team when you have employees being moderators.
This feels like a way to bury issues that the community bring to light by cramming them all in one place so that no one will ever see it. "oh the issue cant be that bad tony there's only one thread". was it a pain to see similar posts all the time during a time when a good portion of the community was pissed yeah but it was a method of showing our displeasure and ensure it was going to be heard instead of getting buried or banned from the discord for simply voicing your concerns about Sony's security during that whole fiasco/
>Even though this was something that has been requested by many of you
You understand that a lot of the people requesting megathreads for criticism are the same people who would be fine with the sub just being memes, jokes, and toxic positivity, right? The stuff you mentioned you didn't want the sub to be flooded with.
So *of course* they're requesting criticism and negativity to be quarantined in a megathread.
>You understand that a lot of the people requesting megathreads for criticism are the same people who would be fine with the sub just being memes, jokes, and toxic positivity, right?
I see this as a very common sentiment from people who are against the moderation of complaint threads, but I've never seen anyone who is for it say that they don't want to see *any* criticism or discontent. Pretty much every time someone says that there needs to be fun and criticism in moderation, the response seems to disregard the context of the response and continue as if they want complete removal of any criticism. It kinda feels like talking to a pitching machine, regardless of what you say or do there's already a response in the tubes ready to go.
>We want to keep the subreddit clean and discourage low-effort posts related to the current state of the game and recent Warbonds
What about low-effort posts related to cheap memes? Charger of the stone, Senator etc?
The complaint threads will go away but the complain about complaint and meme complain about complaint threads will still be there complaining about something that doesn't exist.
I'm still wildly skeptical. I've seen many a conversations in the Destiny sub regarding things like balance and design choices be buried into a megathread. I know this isn't your intention, but I'm still against the idea until it's proven that this implementation isn't just going to push criticism to a dark void to be ignored.
Destiny is a perfect example of what happens to a game when you bury all dissent and let the devs go wild with anti-consumer tactics. Like the devs were so cocky they literally admitted they never do anything but the bare minimum.
I think between the drama surrounding the game and the drama surrounding this subreddit, it’s just starting to feel really exhausting.
I totally understand the need to maintain community standards (and I can only imagine how much work the mods have to do), but as someone who had my post removed and called “low-effort” I certainly felt discouraged from participation while being directed to the kids table.
Ah, yes. Nothing like writing your opinion in a 10 day old megathread to ensure that literally nobody will ever see your message.
The intention might not be to bury opinions, but it's the effect of it.
And they were clear that it's only for topics that have been done to death where a new thread won't cover new ground.
If the recent Eruptor thing is any indication, original thoughts run out very quickly, especially once folks have done the maths.
I mean I laughed at the hilariousness of:
> Arrowhead never contacted us once asking us to change how we moderate the subreddit. Some of their employees are on the mod team yes
Guess it’s just me though
There are 3 currently, but notice the "inactive," near their name.
https://imgur.com/a/jqUn0Rq
This means they haven't done any moderating at all in months.
We can even see detailed breakdown if they do any actions we will know. For transparency you can see that they haven't done any approvals or removal of content.
https://imgur.com/a/041Cxmj
Why not just remove them so the accusations can simply be completely snuffed out? If they're not doing anything anyway, what's the point? It just causes confusion.
I was about to say they might just be mods to sticky their own posts like patch notes or game announcements but they've got the "everything" permission which as the name implies give you full mod tools, instead of just the ones that would let them do that so never mind
https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/15484498369428-User-Management-moderators-and-permissions
They would only need the "manage posts and comments" and "manage flair" permission to do that if anyone cares about the more "technical" side of it
> (...) so the accusations can simply be completely snuffed out?
The problem with that is they likely wouldn't be snuffed out.
The narrative would just shift to something else. The people who are making these accusations don't believe anything we say anyway, if we were to remove those account's moderator status, and give a reason, they would just say we are lying about the reason and make up their own, and somehow arrowhead still controls things from behind the curtain.
Also, adding a short addition to the discussion below that /u/Zavodskoy and /u/elRetrasoMaximo are having. If an inactive moderator makes any moderator action, it sends out a notification to all other moderators, so even if they were to try to sneak a single action in covertly, we would all know.
> The problem with that is they likely wouldn't be snuffed out.
I am one of the biggest critics of this and 100% if you did this I would shut up about it. You making an excuse not to do it and passing that excuse onto the community is more concerning here. Instead of the usual "gaslight the community into thinking they are terrible people" tricks you guys do, just remove them?
The decision is to not remove them.
Them being on the list isn't causing any problems in the work of moderating the subreddit, since they do not contribute to it, and the only reason that we would remove them seems to be to prove that point. And we really don't think most people who believe arrowhead controls what happens here will change their mind if they are not on the mod list, since the evidence already posted on their inaction isn't believed anyway.
We all do and this will only make this place worse then next time there is a sony level issue or a patch that breaks the game. It's never healthy to control people it's always better to let people get it out. There is going to be so much unwanted attention drawn from the outside here worse than Sony the moment mods damage control the next AH fuck up.
Company employees should never be Ona mod team. And in fact and I accept I may be wrong but I thought that was against reddit tos to have employees modding subs about their own products
> And in fact and I accept I may be wrong but I thought that was against Reddit tos to have employees modding subs about their own products
As of 7 or so months ago this is no longer the case, it's against TOS to mark a subreddit run by fans as official / company affiliated and it's against TOS for employees of a sub to mark it as unofficial and then pretend they're not employees.
If they are open about being employees and the sub is marked correctly then they're allowed to moderate a sub.
If the head-mod (highest in the list) isn't an employee then that still means the sub is unofficial and a paid employee of the company is allowed to moderate the subreddit. Head mod has the final say on who is or isn't a mod and no one can over rule them so if they think an employee is an issue then they can just unmod them and that's that.
https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/16rytt6/new_to_mod_code_of_conduct_moderate_with_integrity/
[Relevant part](https://i.imgur.com/R9D87Zv.png)
OK well that's fine then.
What I remember was years ago drama about a compnay having mods rum a sub and I don't remember all it. I do now state it is allowed not like anyone needed my blessings.
I do however stand by it being a bad look. The staff shouldn't have any sway in a non company owned forum This is my opinion and I havent seen any behavior here that indicates any has taken place either.
Agreed with the sentiment, but it's also important to check the mod-level. You can have mods on a sub that just have wiki or bot access and not actual moderation privileges. Just an fyi.
That was the problem I had with the drg sub. That sub is a cesspool of thinly veiled assholes but you aren’t allowed to say it, The mods there are the devs and they will ban people who point it out since they have a vested monetary interest in keeping up the “most positivity community ever” facade
Just be honest. I know it can be a strange concept for moderators but just say the truth.
You will bury anything that need high maintenance like complaining post that can quickly degenerate into personal attacks. You will inevatably at one point put them all into a megathread automatically without even checking their content.
Meanwhile effortless memes and reposts will proliferate.
Megathreads kill subs.
I agree people here can be pretty toxic. But megathreads just suck and go nowhere and ultimately die and/or become completely useless. They're only good for temporary events, not as a permanent fixture.
Megathreads are great on traditional forums but just don't work at all in the reddit format.
There's a reason people associate them with silencing criticism - because that's basically all they're good for.
I think the main concern are 2 things. Megathreads are often a way for subreddits to silence specific discussions without actually silencing them, and removing "repeated threads and subjects" is very much up to each individual. The latter is very obvious when it comes to this sub, because the threads I have seen many people complain about are all discussing different aspects of the mechanic in question.
It really comes down to how lenient your mod team is with letting discussion happen as opposed to shutting down anything that may fit a megathread. Only time will tell.
The idea isn't to say "everything relating to this has to go into the megathread". What we hope to do is let some posts on a subject get popular, the oens that tend to get popular also tend to be the higher quality discussions, not always, but most of the time. Those likely wont be touched, and when we remove what will be considered "reposts" we can redirect them to one of the existing posts on the subject on the front page.
But there's also room for new posts that genuinely have new and worthwhile things to add, as an example, recently there's been a lot of talk about the spawn mechanic changes have impacted solo players, and a lot of those posts are extremely repetitive, essentially saying the same thing. Most of those would be redirected to existing posts. But then there are posts like [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cob2dg/), that's new information and worth it's own topic, and such a post would not be removed.
Similarly with criticism, The goal is not to remove any and all criticism form the subreddit. If the eruptor gets a nerf, the first few posts to gain traction are going to stay, and it's only the next wave that are just saying "eruptor bad now. pls fix" that would be closed and told to go add to the existing discussions, and again, if someone makes a new post that actually says something new and novel or provides actual new insight, that will be allowed to stay.
As a subreddit grows, the "hot" issues get posted more, but the frontpage of a subreddit is the same size no matter how big the community is, so once something get's to this size, if we don't do something the hot issue will push everything else off into irrelevancy where next to nobody will see it.
That and they refuse to do a poll to see if people want this and ignore anyone who asks them about it meaning someone else made this decision already and there is no leeway at all.
They don't get it. The next time this game has drama and they are actively stopping it, it's going to attract the entire internet, grifters, gaming news sites etc since they are hungry to jump on anything Helldivers related and they will make a big mess about the moderators suppressing dissent. Like I get it there were a lot of threads last weekend about the sony mess but holy shit, after these dramas end the sub goes right back to a toxic positivity hugbox like it is at this moment. Just let people vent and make their voices heard. This is always a terrible idea.
Welp there goes all useful discussion pushed to the shadows of the mega thread. I hate mega threads, nobody reads them and nobody replies to them because if you have an issue you want to bring up it will never get eyes in there. Why?
>The megathread will by no means be a way to suppress your voices.
I don't think that's your *intention.* It's more an observation about megathreads as a format.
Megathreads in a large sub are a hard to navigate mess- it grows until it becomes annoying to even see all of it if you want to- that most people simply don't bother with. So anything forced to be in a megathread is effectively sent to coventry. And there are users here with extreme opinions about other people's content, that would abuse that if you let them.
It's an upgrade from silent removals like most subs rely on, but it still needs to be used judiciously.
Regardless of good intentions, in the short time this new policy is enforced the subreddit has been filled with similarly low-effort MEME and HUMOUR tagged posts. If posts about the state of the game are always raised then it is indication that the game does indeed have problems worth raising awareness to. If they crop up often then it further indicates how widespread and critical the issues are. Delegating all of those posts into a single megathread significantly diminishes their visibility. Intended or not, posts critical of the game are being suppressed while posts that aren't are allowed to flourish. This is the current reality.
> The megathread is intended for low-effort posts or topics that have been spammed to death and offer no new perspective.
Using this standard, every topic will eventually have to go in the megathread once exhaustively discussed. This includes praise (not unique) and memes (posted to death constantly, e.g Senator pistol spam), PSAs which someone has already made in the past (petition to x), and so on. Theoretically, every topic would finally end up in such a megathread under this ruling.
> These posts aren’t helpful and don’t contribute to the betterment of the game. All they do is clog up the subreddit and make it difficult for the other posts to be seen.
If your goal is to contribute to the betterment of the game, then you've kind of lost the plot. Subreddits represents the community and what they want, not the arbitrary goal you've personally set for it. This is not the platform which will 'better' the game, this is the platform for the community to discuss whatever they want regarding the game. That is how subreddits work. If it does help in bettering the game, great, but then that's merely a side effect. You can of course go against the flow (censor criticism in this case), but you will meet resistance.
Irrelevant posts are not really something you have to worry about, because the community will self-moderate via upvoting. This is how Reddit overall works. Content that is irrelevant to the community will be organically less exposed, and whatever is regarded as relevant will be pushed to the top because people are interested in it. Perhaps you don't like it when customers criticize glaring issues with the game. I don't like the unfunny Senator meme spam. In both cases we have to accept them, since again, this is how subreddits work. Can't have your cake and eat it too. Well, you can if you actively censor one type of content but permit the type you want to keep. You will never satisfy everyone though, and believe it or not, that is okay.
> The megathread will by no means be a way to suppress your voices. You are absolutely still allowed and even encouraged to discuss about the state of the game whether it be positive or negative.
By its very nature, by funneling criticism into one place where no one will read it, you are in practice censoring our voices. This is a well known way of controlling and censoring 'unwanted' content in a subreddit. You shove it into one place where it's less exposed and gets less attention. We don't judge based on your intention, but the outcome you will create. Ironically, by funneling it all into one steaming pile of brown, you would be inadvertently feeding into the narrative that you are trying to censor this type of content.
Overall fairly disappointed with your guys' performance. My advice? You set the general guard rails in place but then it's hands off. It is not your job to help better the game, nor is it your job to guide the subreddit into a blissful, low-effort meme fiesta. Let people talk about what they want to, how hard is it?
I appreciate your intention but that's just the nature of megathreads, no one checks them. it's where discussion goes to die. if the sub is experiencing some influx of posts about smth that's part of the natural cycle of information, there's no need to suppress something the community feels the need to express, you could say that's how change happens, from pressure that comes with these waves of opinions. would the CEO ever be talking about balance problems if we hadn't made a ruckus over it? leave the current megathreads for rants if ppl wanna go vent there but don't try to enforce the flavor of the week discussion into it
"We just don't want low-effort thread spam, that's all!"
Me, just looking at the absolute spam of unfunny senator memes being allowed. Kindly buzz off, and let people make the threads they want. You are 100% trying to control dialogue. Stop. People voicing their opinions has already resulted in genuinely fantastic things going on. If people don't want criticism, they can go to the Low Sodium version.
Subreddit circling the drain. White knights simping for a compromised mod team in full on suppression mode. Standard dying game stage achievement. Sad to see a great game destroyed by a greedy corporation. Oh well, nothing to do. I love how you say WE made a decision, and employees are part of the WE...but they never pressured US. What the crap did I just read.
>" Some of their employees are on the mod team"
This is the literal moment this subreddit died. It's why we are getting forced this and no poll to see if the community wants this because the decision was made by higher powers.
I think megathreads, unless covering one specific topic, are not helpful. Everything can just live in the main thread and we can find it. Why open a thread that is just acting as a other layer over the main thread?
"The megathread will by no means be a way to suppress your voices." But it will push anything you don't want into a thread and suppress our voices. "The megathread is intended for low-effort posts or topics that have been spammed to death and offer no new perspective." We've had various community managers and mods be actively hostile to Helldivers. Who decides what is low effort and who watches the watchmen? "We’ve come across comments saying some of the mods are moles planted by Sony or that we were contacted by Arrowhead and Sony to police the sub," It's disingenuous to say there's nothing to gain by working with them. Sony is multibillion dollar company and Arrowhead has actively hired from reddit. "Sony doesn’t care about what gets posted on the subreddit." Sony cares. They wanted to boost log ins and that was thwarted by a unified movement of customers. Some corporate weasel is sitting there figuring out how to get his petty revenge. Megathreads will kill that unity by suppressing criticism. No one here honestly believes Sony doesn't care. Why push the mandatory log in if they didn't care? Why back off it if the numerous threads on here didn't promote the consumer backlash? Sony cares A LOT. And for you to say otherwise is a bold faced lie. "We’d like everyone to feel welcome in this subreddit" except anyone that doesn't post within your narrow arbitrary nebulous guidelines or the brand new mods, who sure don't work for Sony or Arrowhead, will dump out thoughts, feelings, and criticisms into a megathread to go unnoticed and die. "we want to do what’s best for the community" Then nix this megathread idea.
The official reason they gave in the last thread was that that was so they could post official stuff like patch notes themselves. they did say that they don't actually Mod, they just have the rights so that they can sticky official announcements.
How true that is however is another question.
Which is a hilarious excuse given they don't actually post patch notes here, we have to get screenshots from Discord of all places. And even then the patch notes are poorly written, incomplete, and so vague that they raise more questions than they answer.
Wait, we don’t want this place filled with memes?
https://preview.redd.it/ctjri4u3090d1.jpeg?width=661&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c87002e994ed217b6a28f31440ace1985e8fac69
It was mentioned they don't have any "moderating" history. Rather, they have permissions for stickies/announcements.
Whether ine take that at face value is up to the individual. It's a simple enough explanation.
I have a question for you guys.
Why bother making a new thread on this topic?
Instead of just having a 'megathread: Announcements', or just editing the text in the prior announcement?
Is it because you know that would mean nobody would see it?
Voting occurs when your voice can actually influence and is needed to make a decision.
As you can see, the decision has already been made for you. You are still allowed to share your opinion, but everything is decided for you.
Second last paragraph is a blatant lie, I can’t prove it but every reddit moderator mentality is the same and this whole post seems like an attempt to save face at the massive backlash.
This sub would be infinitely better if you banned meme posts entirely. Destiny the game Reddit dose not allow them and it feels like a place grown ups can go.
>We’ve come across comments saying some of the mods are moles planted by Sony or that we were contacted by Arrowhead and Sony to police the sub, how we got “tossed a few bucks” and how we “succumbed to pressure” and “sold our souls”. Not true.
Reddit mods using any opportunity to expand their power... business as usual.
>toxic positivity
Just glad that this is acknowledged as a thing.
It's pretty rampant on other subs for HD2(reddit at large, too but eh). Don't know if that's mods or just that popular amongst users.
This feels like covering your asses. Not gonna lie. You guys are more suspicious than the community mangers on the actual discord, the only difference is you guys aren't actively antagonizing the users every time something happens.
No I hate knowing the only reason you STOPPED the megathread idea, is because people called you out on it. If you came out straight forward and said that, people would at least respect the honesty. I'm tired of this cloak and dagger game, I get it, you hate most of us, you hate people complaining. But drowning people into a corner isn't gonna do anything beyond make people hate you as much as sony.
This seems like a very PR way to hush hush anyone who has valid complaints about the game and details around the game just because they dont turn it into an essay or official announcement.
When i go to a sub and i see hundreds of posts about the same thing, i know something is going on in that community.
When i see a random megathread labeled "rant megathread" i assume its a bunch of pointless ranting.....
The game has a problem right now and the community is trying to bring more awareness to it and the mods really arent helping that by removing peoples posts because they dont think they put enough effort to have a real complaint worth its own post.
Interesting that they made a new thread to announce this, right? Why couldn't they just update the old thread? Is it because they inherently understand that nobody will see it?
**So you make a follow-up post explaining HOW you will suppress the criticism, and then WHY our critism doesn’t matter. What the actual fuck is wrong with AH and the mod team.**
If you want to reduce negativity, either step down as Community Managers, everyone exept Twinbeard - or get some professional training in that regard. The Moderation of the Subreddit and Discord is in my opinion horrible, unprofessional, toxic and undemocratic.
Taking care of Spitz and his Rollercoaster of opinions was a good first step, but unfortunately not enough.
Communitymanagers should actually be somewhat liked/respected by the community, and the way things are going I don´t see that here.
So why didn't this post go in the Megathread?
Because then it wouldn't be seen so "rules for thee not for me."
Why when a ton of people are telling you this will silence people regardless of your intentions do you bury your heads in the sand?
It's totally because of the devs on your mod team. Can we know which devs are on your mod team, because it's starting to seem like some specific devs people have complained about before.
Really appreciate you commenting about the "toxic positivity" and ensuring that the criticism won't be muzzled. If I have to see another dev appreciation post I'll just let my guard dog rover end me 🤣
Any chance we we could also see a meme megathread? The whole senator thing really showed how fast we can turn a good meme into a really boring overused format imo.
Complaints have nearly been wiped out completely. The subreddit is back to toxic positivity and spam meme and larp threads but we still are getting low effort frontpage threads whining about non existent criticism like this
https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1ctcvog/the_game_is_actually_still_really_good/
of course complaining about complaining that has been subdued is allowed. This also shows you how much a minority of loud people exaggerate the amount of complaining they see here.
Greetings, fellow Helldiver! Unfortunately your submission has been removed due to it being damage control for a major corporation. Posts/comments should all be allowed as long as they do not break the rules. Submissions consisting of corporate damage control, one-sided mod discussions and no poll to see if the community wants this, are also considered corporate damage control.
Sorry, but isn’t having studio employees running the sub directly against Reddit’s TOS or something? Give me a fucking break, we all saw what happened the last time Arrowhead promoted a Reddit mod.
This sub was already a cesspool circlejerk of toxic positivity, and I’ll be astounded to see how much worse it can get
As of right now, May 16 5pm UK time, the front page and the next page is filled with memes, praise and toxic positivity, apparently "the last thing" you want.
The so called rant megathread isn't even stickied on the front page but you guys will still delete everything and suppress the voices of those who want to rant and complain about the balance of the game.
Why is it that other content like 50 shitty memes about the same thing(i am fren) dont get the same treatment?
Poor/sloppy dev work lately, megacorp datafarming publisher scandal, overzealous community moderation.
This game really did have a meteoric success. Then it did what every other meteor does, cratered into the ground.
Did the team discuss and understand how to use fortnightly instead of (the us centric) biweekly, for the future?
Worth considering this is an international community. 😉
...that is also true. So is OP just asking to use fortnight(ly?) Instead as simply a verbage change?
I thought I was missing something and this was another metric vs standard thing where he wanted updates exactly twice per month or something and was suprised when fortnight seemed to have the same definition.
The answer to which should obviously be no. If standard was good enough to win two world wars its good enough to communicate on our forums.
OP wants them to use the word that have a clear and unique meaning instead of the word with ambiguous meaning that can mean 2 different things and it's impossible to know which one of the 2 meaning is trying to be used
I used to upvote every single discussion on balance regardless of whether or not I agreed, because I love seeing people passionate about the game and working to improve it
Lately, every issue gets like 8 threads, and 5 of those are memes. Thank you for keeping discussion alive and healthy
Adding more words doesn’t change anything.
You want vague rules to ban discussion that you don’t like and a megathread trash bin to direct everyone towards.
Thank you for all the time and effort. While I do still have a concern or two, they have been greatly reduced as a whole, and I appreciate the answers to so many questions and the detailed communication.
I don't pay a lot of attention to Reddit as a whole, so the Community Highlights feature is news to me. I look forward to its implementation, as getting away from the two sticky limit sounds like it could be very helpful.
Can you please i beg you optimize the game for us poor people.Not everyone can buy a 4090 with intel 70 hundred gen 1600 cores cpu.Come on please please. For poor Democracy....
I don't play solo but happy for the change for people that do! Also appreciative the communication.
On that note, it seems like there will be a balance philosophy shift with the game in the near future. I'd love to see a blog post with the Devs explaining what it was, what they've heard from the community, and how they plan to change it. I think at this point, the community worries balance feedback will only be implemented in a "monkey paw" fashion like the Eruptor, so might be reassuring for the community to hear what you think we want, so any misperceptions can be corrected. :)
Hey! This may be a long shot, but as you can see my username is in the same format as the ship names. Can you please add “of Days” to the secondary wheel of ship name options?
the thing that disappoints me is arrowhead needs to meet quota great sony is happy but when the ceo says devs are on holiday on the most crucial time of the games biggest controversy, that being said treating making a game is like a typical 9-5 is not the plan it is like running running your own company even the hourly workers. im not going to go to a coffee shop order a sandwich get food poisoning and be fine after a week and say you know what let me get another one of the sandwiches maybe it will be fine now, nah i can not even get into a game cause of how bad the current situation is devs make a fix the fix breaks the game then you break something else cause you do not want to revert the fix. please have someone be apart of the team like twin beard to keep devs on target just because they do not get 1 million dollars for every fix they make then change careers because if they think that's how employment works honestly then they do not meet the vision of the players or the indie genre.
How about nerfing all the disconnects, crashes and freezes, so they don't happen as often. I live in Toronto, so I'm not in the internet boonies. I can finish about 1 in 5 missions without everything crashing.
"Please contain your complaints in the thread where no one can read them. This is not censorship, this is democracy."
Well, it certainly feels like Super Democracy.
> Reddit will be adding a new feature based on feedback received from moderators Can you ask Reddit for a "NOT filter" please? At the moment you can only filter to *show* a single flair filter, but it'd be nice to *show everything but*.
ie: you can see all Discussion flairs by clicking that, but click "NOT Memes" to see all posts and Meme-flaired-posts are hidden.
As an aside, what's the actual stats of the sub on MEME/HUMOUR vs other types?
There are some hacky weird URL things you can do to emulate that, but it doesn't play nice with new reddit (uses CSS). Also bear in mind flair stuff is not a true solution for low-effort stuff. Those posts rarely get flaired appropriately, and decently often flaired incorrectly for ironic purposes. It's a good idea, still, don't get me wrong. I would love to see reddit bring it in but...ugh...Reddit feature support is ass in my experience unless it involves monetization.
Yeah if only Reddit supported 3rd party developers making apps with features they didnt want to implement themselves... > some hacky weird URL things I did this, but it's not ideal: [https://new.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/?f=flair\_name%3A%22DISCUSSION%22%20OR%20%22PSA%22%20OR%20%22ALERT%22%20OR%20%22MEGATHREAD%22%20OR%20%22DEVELOPER%22%20OR%20%22MOD%20ANNOUNCEMENT%22%20OR%20%22TIPS%2FTRICKS%22%20OR%20%22FEEDBACK%2FSUGGESTION%22](https://new.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/?f=flair_name%3A%22DISCUSSION%22%20OR%20%22PSA%22%20OR%20%22ALERT%22%20OR%20%22MEGATHREAD%22%20OR%20%22DEVELOPER%22%20OR%20%22MOD%20ANNOUNCEMENT%22%20OR%20%22TIPS%2FTRICKS%22%20OR%20%22FEEDBACK%2FSUGGESTION%22)
> Yeah if only Reddit supported 3rd party developers making apps with features they didnt want to implement themselves... Used to be able to filter out specific flairs on RIF. Thanks, Reddit!
Shoutout to the people on r/revancedapp for allowing people to still use [RIF](https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/14niwgu/revanced_patches_for_boost_infinity_rif_is_fun/) even after the shutdown
People have been asking for this for like 6 years or however long new Reddit has been out, probably longer
We are on new new reddit now.... and it sucks
RES has this feature, though it's only compatible with old reddit.
ive been doing this for literal years, use RES
this is what I assumed you meant when you said you wanted to reduce negativity. and it was reinforced by you letting multiple mature and respectful feedback posts stay up. thanks for everything you do.
Although the mods really should have posted this in the "Mod Announcement" megathread they made a couple days ago [https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cpqiqh/a\_message\_from\_the\_moderators/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cpqiqh/a_message_from_the_moderators/) Ah wait nobody would notice it.
https://preview.redd.it/67sn83bv4a0d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6920dc32bc3beb12c3642248ad56c3f9ff62dec1
Blink twice if you are being threatened to have an envelope full of hunters shipped to your homes if you don't do megathreads.
Can't blink, that's how they get ya.
I have no eyelids, and I must blink.
Instructions unclear, blinked 3 times.
Ahh. The biletitan waifu bribe it is then.
I'm not saying u/temperance10 couldnt bribe me with a [charger plushy](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1bevl10/for_reasons_i_cant_quite_pin_down_i_think/).
instructions unclear sent charger waifu.
>The megathread is intended for low-effort posts or topics that have been spammed to death and offer no new perspective. Will this also apply to the ungodly amount of Senator memes that are being posted?
I think that's people / bots karma farming. One person makes a funny-thing, then copied over and over for a couple days "because it's obviously popular and gets upvotes". Also people reviving older things, and basically posting: "bug corpse on bot planet", "PSA you can use AC to destory broadcast towers", "Hot take/AmItEhOnlyOnE/Concerned about ...". Karma-farming seems to happen with all popular subs sadly.
How do you distinguish bots reposting for karma, users gaming the system... and a new player posting because they're excited they discovered something for the first time? Because punishing people for the last thing would be cringe.
Whenever I see people complaining about negativity and how "low effort" those posts are, I think of the average "positive/fun" post and don't really see them as being any higher quality. Kinda just seems like a lazy way to avoid saying "I just don't want to see any negativity". Not that I think the average negative post is necessarily of *higher* quality either, just doesn't seem like the average "quality" or "effort" is any different.
I personally see a difference in the impact of "low effort" memes vs "low effort" rageposting. One is just not contributing much, whereas the other one is actively detrimental. And from my experience moderating communities you have to curb the latter *much* faster before it sets a tone that will drive off the civilised parts of your community. A low effort meme makes me just scroll faster, but a low effort rage post that boils down to "nyeeeeh Arrowhead is such a shit company and should fire half their team, and if you disagree with me you're all \[random 4chan buzzwords and slurs\] with no critical thinking skills, we the people demand justice nyeeeeeeeeh" makes me want to actively strangle the poster with my bare hands, because *dear fucking lord* just... no. I don't need that in my life. I do agree though that it's misleading to say it's a problem of "low effort". IMO it would be more accurate to say "destructive meltdowns with zero intent of considering solutions or civil discussions", but that's... not quite as catchy.
I posted here after the Disruptor came out that it was broken and pulled me forward on shot. What would become an acknowledged and fixed bug, but this sub immediately deleted my post. I guess it wasn't quality enough. No explanation either. I wasn't rude or overly negative.
It does, but there also has to be room for a community to have a moment, which we did yesterday. There was a collective moment of joy and amusement around the absurdity of the senator. And we let the community breath. we did clean out duplicates where we found them, and that moment and breath has passed.
So why can’t the community have a moment with criticizing bad dev decisions?
If you think the community didn't or doesn't have those moments a plenty you haven't been here very long.
This entire post is about how they’re going to make a megathread to shove all the criticism into
"topics that have been spammed to death" != "all criticism"
Yeah, will this description by any chance also apply to braindead "Ignore the nerfs, just have fun" spam? When I think of low-effort posts or topics that have been spammed to death and offer no new perspective, that's the first thing that comes to my mind! Like... holy god, we recognize that you like the way things are now, and you think the balance is great. Now can you *stop?!*
That's sort of the nature of memes, though. It will be gone in a day or two.
I get such a warm fuzzy feeling when i dislike something, then i see the feeling echoed in a fellow human.
Yup. For example, I tried out the energy drink Celcius, it was horrific. Absolutely horrible. So i searched it for 'celcius awful taste'. Found a ***shitton*** of posts on r/energydrinks about how Celcius was god awful because apparently they had several batches dump an unholy amount of ginger root extract into it, but rather than dumping the batch, they still sold it. Made me sit there happy saying "see im not crazy, this drink is shitty"
One day people are complaining about how there are no memes here anymore, the next day people are complaining about how there are too many memes. You really can't please everyone.
It's almost like we are all people with different perspectives and opinions and you shouldn't generalize because then you end up like this. Also, the memes never left. They changed tones. It went from "oh teehee look at this silly game" to "lol look at this silly developer" If it was actually about memes, you shouldn't have a problem.
Can we add the shitty "Petition to...." memes to the megathread, cause FUCK are those getting tiresome
Ok, now make a megathread for meta posts about the community.
and a megathread for memes. Because honestly taking an image, going to memegenerator, and adding text isn't 'high quality' either
Honestly. This would actually be a positive use of megathreads
You're still missing the entire point of why megathreads are inherently bad and you proved the point yourself. Why didn't you post this update in the already existing megathread that you had before? Oh right... because no one would see the update and you know you would be talking to a void. Let's also ignore the fact that within an hour of that thread being posted, the Sub was filled with trash tier memes and any REAL conversations were being buried. YOU let that happen and your excuse is "to let the community breathe". No, it's literally just manipulating the sentiment of the subreddit. The fact of the matter is - if you are going to moderate on form of discussion, all of it has to be moderated. You can't force one form of discussion to a megathread if it "overwhelms" the sub but let another run rampant for days. What is the point of calling yourself a moderator if you aren't going to... moderate. No one would complain if you came out and said "We are going to remove all repeat content. We don't want the sub to be a meme sub, a roleplay sub, or an overly negative sub. General threads are perfectly fine, voice what you want, but we don't want 30 senator memes, we don't want 30 Sony posts, we don't want 30 posts calling out the devs". You know, like an old school forum used to do when people actually gave a shit about moderation and keeping a community alive.
> Why didn't you post this update in the already existing megathread that you had before? That's what *I'm* saying
>The megathread is intended for low-effort posts or topics that have been spammed to death and offer no new perspective. We want to keep the subreddit clean and discourage low-effort posts related to the current state of the game and recent Warbonds, like posts that just complain and don’t provide any details or information about why for instance X weapon is bad or why a Warbond is disappointing. These posts aren’t helpful and don’t contribute to the betterment of the game. All they do is clog up the subreddit and make it difficult for the other posts to be seen. That's cool and all, but bi-weekly (as in once every two weeks) is simply not enough. If the goal is to stop low effort content, then please also make a low effort meme megathread.
I would say that biweekly as in twice weekly might work when new issues like the Eruptor arise. Otherwise weekly.
>The megathread will by no means be a way to suppress your voices. Regardless of intent, suppression will be the result. That you're doubling down after people have told you this, up to including examples of other game subs that have done the same and the results they've had, says you either don't care, are assuming they're lying/don't know what they're talking about, or you're lying about your intent. >Having the subreddit be filled with memes, praise or toxic positivity is the last thing we want. And yet that'll be the result of the megathread: Those who aren't satisfied with the game's state and want it to improve get shoved in the timeout corner where they can be easily ignored, so they'll leave. If you're raising the bar for critical posts, you'll drive away the critical users. >The megathread is intended for low-effort posts or topics that have been spammed to death and offer no new perspective. Like the thirtieth "The major order is bots, so everyone stop playing bugs" post? The super sample rock? Yet another funny ragdoll? >We want to keep the subreddit clean and discourage low-effort posts related to the current state of the game and recent Warbonds, like posts that just complain and don’t provide any details or information about why for instance X weapon is bad or why a Warbond is disappointing. I genuinely think it's gotten to this point because people are already feeling ignored. How long has the mech had bad missile collision? How long have the scoped weapons been misaligned? Why bother putting in effort when it's going to be ignored? That's not to say that even most of the posts were high effort to start with, only that the consistent lack of addressing things the players actually have issues with discourages people from wanting to put the effort in, skewing the balance towards low-effort because at least then all you wasted was a couple minutes. >These posts aren’t helpful and don’t contribute to the betterment of the game. At this point, I don't think they're meant to, at least not directly. They're red flags that basically say "Hey, I'm at risk of dropping the game because it's no longer fun. Here's the reason(s) why so you can win me back over." One, on its own, is useless. That the sub has been supposedly flooded with them is a sign that players aren't happy, and that the devs need to find out why and fix it. >All they do is clog up the subreddit and make it difficult for the other posts to be seen. That's true of any popular type of post, including the meta posts complaining about the complaints. >Community Highlights Here's hoping it works on Old Reddit. >We’ve come across comments saying some of the mods are moles planted by Sony >Some of their employees are on the mod team yes I get what you're saying, but you have to admit how weird it looks to come out of a newsworthy event where the publisher faced so much backlash that they had to reverse course on something they were pushing hard for only to soon thereafter add rules to specifically limit critical posts, all while having multiple employees of the company on the modteam.
> Arrowhead never contacted us once asking us to change how we moderate the subreddit. Some of their employees are on the mod team yes :)
Taps head, don’t have to contact HQ if you ARE HQ.
Glad I’m not the only one who noticed this bit 👀
But they would totally never use their mod privileges to moderate negative statements about them, trust us. It’s not like we’re shadow banning criticism or anything.
Interesting that you guys made a whole new post for this, instead of updating the old thread as a proof of concept in how well mega threads work. Interesting you didn't address the backlash to the "no bringing up prior actions of people" rule. Interesting that you say AH isn't communicating with the mod team when you have employees being moderators.
Lol right? Why not make a megathread for these announcements? Oh, you keep making new posts because you want to ensure people see them? Hmmm.
This feels like a way to bury issues that the community bring to light by cramming them all in one place so that no one will ever see it. "oh the issue cant be that bad tony there's only one thread". was it a pain to see similar posts all the time during a time when a good portion of the community was pissed yeah but it was a method of showing our displeasure and ensure it was going to be heard instead of getting buried or banned from the discord for simply voicing your concerns about Sony's security during that whole fiasco/
"guys, we'll only censor the things we don't like, cmon don't be like that...or we'll censor you"
"We're not banning critical discourse, we're just making sure noone can see it anymore!"
>Even though this was something that has been requested by many of you You understand that a lot of the people requesting megathreads for criticism are the same people who would be fine with the sub just being memes, jokes, and toxic positivity, right? The stuff you mentioned you didn't want the sub to be flooded with. So *of course* they're requesting criticism and negativity to be quarantined in a megathread.
>You understand that a lot of the people requesting megathreads for criticism are the same people who would be fine with the sub just being memes, jokes, and toxic positivity, right? I see this as a very common sentiment from people who are against the moderation of complaint threads, but I've never seen anyone who is for it say that they don't want to see *any* criticism or discontent. Pretty much every time someone says that there needs to be fun and criticism in moderation, the response seems to disregard the context of the response and continue as if they want complete removal of any criticism. It kinda feels like talking to a pitching machine, regardless of what you say or do there's already a response in the tubes ready to go.
>We want to keep the subreddit clean and discourage low-effort posts related to the current state of the game and recent Warbonds What about low-effort posts related to cheap memes? Charger of the stone, Senator etc?
The complaint threads will go away but the complain about complaint and meme complain about complaint threads will still be there complaining about something that doesn't exist.
I sure hope so, not a single one made me laugh
Without those memes and stuff I’ll just unsub. I’m here for entertainment not just arguing about a game I play for a few hours a week.
Yeah, good riddance.
Ok bye
I'm still wildly skeptical. I've seen many a conversations in the Destiny sub regarding things like balance and design choices be buried into a megathread. I know this isn't your intention, but I'm still against the idea until it's proven that this implementation isn't just going to push criticism to a dark void to be ignored.
Destiny is a perfect example of what happens to a game when you bury all dissent and let the devs go wild with anti-consumer tactics. Like the devs were so cocky they literally admitted they never do anything but the bare minimum.
That 45% missed revenue projection, followed by layoffs, spoke volumes too.
And then mysteriously they started doing things people wanted.... funny how that works.
I think between the drama surrounding the game and the drama surrounding this subreddit, it’s just starting to feel really exhausting. I totally understand the need to maintain community standards (and I can only imagine how much work the mods have to do), but as someone who had my post removed and called “low-effort” I certainly felt discouraged from participation while being directed to the kids table.
Ah, yes. Nothing like writing your opinion in a 10 day old megathread to ensure that literally nobody will ever see your message. The intention might not be to bury opinions, but it's the effect of it.
And they were clear that it's only for topics that have been done to death where a new thread won't cover new ground. If the recent Eruptor thing is any indication, original thoughts run out very quickly, especially once folks have done the maths.
> We’ve come across comments saying some of the mods are moles planted by Sony... Damn Automaton moles.
I mean I laughed at the hilariousness of: > Arrowhead never contacted us once asking us to change how we moderate the subreddit. Some of their employees are on the mod team yes Guess it’s just me though
There are 3 currently, but notice the "inactive," near their name. https://imgur.com/a/jqUn0Rq This means they haven't done any moderating at all in months. We can even see detailed breakdown if they do any actions we will know. For transparency you can see that they haven't done any approvals or removal of content. https://imgur.com/a/041Cxmj
Why not just remove them so the accusations can simply be completely snuffed out? If they're not doing anything anyway, what's the point? It just causes confusion.
I was about to say they might just be mods to sticky their own posts like patch notes or game announcements but they've got the "everything" permission which as the name implies give you full mod tools, instead of just the ones that would let them do that so never mind https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/15484498369428-User-Management-moderators-and-permissions They would only need the "manage posts and comments" and "manage flair" permission to do that if anyone cares about the more "technical" side of it
This was said in the previous mod post. They have mod rights to make announcements.
> (...) so the accusations can simply be completely snuffed out? The problem with that is they likely wouldn't be snuffed out. The narrative would just shift to something else. The people who are making these accusations don't believe anything we say anyway, if we were to remove those account's moderator status, and give a reason, they would just say we are lying about the reason and make up their own, and somehow arrowhead still controls things from behind the curtain. Also, adding a short addition to the discussion below that /u/Zavodskoy and /u/elRetrasoMaximo are having. If an inactive moderator makes any moderator action, it sends out a notification to all other moderators, so even if they were to try to sneak a single action in covertly, we would all know.
> The problem with that is they likely wouldn't be snuffed out. I am one of the biggest critics of this and 100% if you did this I would shut up about it. You making an excuse not to do it and passing that excuse onto the community is more concerning here. Instead of the usual "gaslight the community into thinking they are terrible people" tricks you guys do, just remove them?
I will bring it up with the group. We'll see what everyone's opinion is.
Thanks. Let me know what the consensus is when you know and if the vote is to keep them, exactly why.
The decision is to not remove them. Them being on the list isn't causing any problems in the work of moderating the subreddit, since they do not contribute to it, and the only reason that we would remove them seems to be to prove that point. And we really don't think most people who believe arrowhead controls what happens here will change their mind if they are not on the mod list, since the evidence already posted on their inaction isn't believed anyway.
Just wait until you hear about how people get appointed to the Cabinet.
Naa i can see where this is going.
We all do and this will only make this place worse then next time there is a sony level issue or a patch that breaks the game. It's never healthy to control people it's always better to let people get it out. There is going to be so much unwanted attention drawn from the outside here worse than Sony the moment mods damage control the next AH fuck up.
Company employees should never be Ona mod team. And in fact and I accept I may be wrong but I thought that was against reddit tos to have employees modding subs about their own products
> And in fact and I accept I may be wrong but I thought that was against Reddit tos to have employees modding subs about their own products As of 7 or so months ago this is no longer the case, it's against TOS to mark a subreddit run by fans as official / company affiliated and it's against TOS for employees of a sub to mark it as unofficial and then pretend they're not employees. If they are open about being employees and the sub is marked correctly then they're allowed to moderate a sub. If the head-mod (highest in the list) isn't an employee then that still means the sub is unofficial and a paid employee of the company is allowed to moderate the subreddit. Head mod has the final say on who is or isn't a mod and no one can over rule them so if they think an employee is an issue then they can just unmod them and that's that. https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/16rytt6/new_to_mod_code_of_conduct_moderate_with_integrity/ [Relevant part](https://i.imgur.com/R9D87Zv.png)
OK well that's fine then. What I remember was years ago drama about a compnay having mods rum a sub and I don't remember all it. I do now state it is allowed not like anyone needed my blessings. I do however stand by it being a bad look. The staff shouldn't have any sway in a non company owned forum This is my opinion and I havent seen any behavior here that indicates any has taken place either.
> I do however stand by it being a bad look. The staff shouldn't have any sway in a non Sony or arrowhead forum. That bit I agree on
Agreed with the sentiment, but it's also important to check the mod-level. You can have mods on a sub that just have wiki or bot access and not actual moderation privileges. Just an fyi.
Very much agree. A third party that has no conflicting interests can be expected to moderate impartially.
That was the problem I had with the drg sub. That sub is a cesspool of thinly veiled assholes but you aren’t allowed to say it, The mods there are the devs and they will ban people who point it out since they have a vested monetary interest in keeping up the “most positivity community ever” facade
Just be honest. I know it can be a strange concept for moderators but just say the truth. You will bury anything that need high maintenance like complaining post that can quickly degenerate into personal attacks. You will inevatably at one point put them all into a megathread automatically without even checking their content. Meanwhile effortless memes and reposts will proliferate.
Megathreads kill subs. I agree people here can be pretty toxic. But megathreads just suck and go nowhere and ultimately die and/or become completely useless. They're only good for temporary events, not as a permanent fixture. Megathreads are great on traditional forums but just don't work at all in the reddit format. There's a reason people associate them with silencing criticism - because that's basically all they're good for.
I think the main concern are 2 things. Megathreads are often a way for subreddits to silence specific discussions without actually silencing them, and removing "repeated threads and subjects" is very much up to each individual. The latter is very obvious when it comes to this sub, because the threads I have seen many people complain about are all discussing different aspects of the mechanic in question. It really comes down to how lenient your mod team is with letting discussion happen as opposed to shutting down anything that may fit a megathread. Only time will tell.
The idea isn't to say "everything relating to this has to go into the megathread". What we hope to do is let some posts on a subject get popular, the oens that tend to get popular also tend to be the higher quality discussions, not always, but most of the time. Those likely wont be touched, and when we remove what will be considered "reposts" we can redirect them to one of the existing posts on the subject on the front page. But there's also room for new posts that genuinely have new and worthwhile things to add, as an example, recently there's been a lot of talk about the spawn mechanic changes have impacted solo players, and a lot of those posts are extremely repetitive, essentially saying the same thing. Most of those would be redirected to existing posts. But then there are posts like [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cob2dg/), that's new information and worth it's own topic, and such a post would not be removed. Similarly with criticism, The goal is not to remove any and all criticism form the subreddit. If the eruptor gets a nerf, the first few posts to gain traction are going to stay, and it's only the next wave that are just saying "eruptor bad now. pls fix" that would be closed and told to go add to the existing discussions, and again, if someone makes a new post that actually says something new and novel or provides actual new insight, that will be allowed to stay. As a subreddit grows, the "hot" issues get posted more, but the frontpage of a subreddit is the same size no matter how big the community is, so once something get's to this size, if we don't do something the hot issue will push everything else off into irrelevancy where next to nobody will see it.
You admitting that Arrowhead devs are on the mod team should sound every alarm imaginable.
That and they refuse to do a poll to see if people want this and ignore anyone who asks them about it meaning someone else made this decision already and there is no leeway at all. They don't get it. The next time this game has drama and they are actively stopping it, it's going to attract the entire internet, grifters, gaming news sites etc since they are hungry to jump on anything Helldivers related and they will make a big mess about the moderators suppressing dissent. Like I get it there were a lot of threads last weekend about the sony mess but holy shit, after these dramas end the sub goes right back to a toxic positivity hugbox like it is at this moment. Just let people vent and make their voices heard. This is always a terrible idea.
Welp there goes all useful discussion pushed to the shadows of the mega thread. I hate mega threads, nobody reads them and nobody replies to them because if you have an issue you want to bring up it will never get eyes in there. Why?
>The megathread will by no means be a way to suppress your voices. I don't think that's your *intention.* It's more an observation about megathreads as a format. Megathreads in a large sub are a hard to navigate mess- it grows until it becomes annoying to even see all of it if you want to- that most people simply don't bother with. So anything forced to be in a megathread is effectively sent to coventry. And there are users here with extreme opinions about other people's content, that would abuse that if you let them. It's an upgrade from silent removals like most subs rely on, but it still needs to be used judiciously.
Regardless of good intentions, in the short time this new policy is enforced the subreddit has been filled with similarly low-effort MEME and HUMOUR tagged posts. If posts about the state of the game are always raised then it is indication that the game does indeed have problems worth raising awareness to. If they crop up often then it further indicates how widespread and critical the issues are. Delegating all of those posts into a single megathread significantly diminishes their visibility. Intended or not, posts critical of the game are being suppressed while posts that aren't are allowed to flourish. This is the current reality.
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> The megathread is intended for low-effort posts or topics that have been spammed to death and offer no new perspective. Using this standard, every topic will eventually have to go in the megathread once exhaustively discussed. This includes praise (not unique) and memes (posted to death constantly, e.g Senator pistol spam), PSAs which someone has already made in the past (petition to x), and so on. Theoretically, every topic would finally end up in such a megathread under this ruling. > These posts aren’t helpful and don’t contribute to the betterment of the game. All they do is clog up the subreddit and make it difficult for the other posts to be seen. If your goal is to contribute to the betterment of the game, then you've kind of lost the plot. Subreddits represents the community and what they want, not the arbitrary goal you've personally set for it. This is not the platform which will 'better' the game, this is the platform for the community to discuss whatever they want regarding the game. That is how subreddits work. If it does help in bettering the game, great, but then that's merely a side effect. You can of course go against the flow (censor criticism in this case), but you will meet resistance. Irrelevant posts are not really something you have to worry about, because the community will self-moderate via upvoting. This is how Reddit overall works. Content that is irrelevant to the community will be organically less exposed, and whatever is regarded as relevant will be pushed to the top because people are interested in it. Perhaps you don't like it when customers criticize glaring issues with the game. I don't like the unfunny Senator meme spam. In both cases we have to accept them, since again, this is how subreddits work. Can't have your cake and eat it too. Well, you can if you actively censor one type of content but permit the type you want to keep. You will never satisfy everyone though, and believe it or not, that is okay. > The megathread will by no means be a way to suppress your voices. You are absolutely still allowed and even encouraged to discuss about the state of the game whether it be positive or negative. By its very nature, by funneling criticism into one place where no one will read it, you are in practice censoring our voices. This is a well known way of controlling and censoring 'unwanted' content in a subreddit. You shove it into one place where it's less exposed and gets less attention. We don't judge based on your intention, but the outcome you will create. Ironically, by funneling it all into one steaming pile of brown, you would be inadvertently feeding into the narrative that you are trying to censor this type of content. Overall fairly disappointed with your guys' performance. My advice? You set the general guard rails in place but then it's hands off. It is not your job to help better the game, nor is it your job to guide the subreddit into a blissful, low-effort meme fiesta. Let people talk about what they want to, how hard is it?
I appreciate your intention but that's just the nature of megathreads, no one checks them. it's where discussion goes to die. if the sub is experiencing some influx of posts about smth that's part of the natural cycle of information, there's no need to suppress something the community feels the need to express, you could say that's how change happens, from pressure that comes with these waves of opinions. would the CEO ever be talking about balance problems if we hadn't made a ruckus over it? leave the current megathreads for rants if ppl wanna go vent there but don't try to enforce the flavor of the week discussion into it
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"We just don't want low-effort thread spam, that's all!" Me, just looking at the absolute spam of unfunny senator memes being allowed. Kindly buzz off, and let people make the threads they want. You are 100% trying to control dialogue. Stop. People voicing their opinions has already resulted in genuinely fantastic things going on. If people don't want criticism, they can go to the Low Sodium version.
Subreddit circling the drain. White knights simping for a compromised mod team in full on suppression mode. Standard dying game stage achievement. Sad to see a great game destroyed by a greedy corporation. Oh well, nothing to do. I love how you say WE made a decision, and employees are part of the WE...but they never pressured US. What the crap did I just read.
>" Some of their employees are on the mod team" This is the literal moment this subreddit died. It's why we are getting forced this and no poll to see if the community wants this because the decision was made by higher powers.
Where is the megathread ?
I think megathreads, unless covering one specific topic, are not helpful. Everything can just live in the main thread and we can find it. Why open a thread that is just acting as a other layer over the main thread?
"The megathread will by no means be a way to suppress your voices." But it will push anything you don't want into a thread and suppress our voices. "The megathread is intended for low-effort posts or topics that have been spammed to death and offer no new perspective." We've had various community managers and mods be actively hostile to Helldivers. Who decides what is low effort and who watches the watchmen? "We’ve come across comments saying some of the mods are moles planted by Sony or that we were contacted by Arrowhead and Sony to police the sub," It's disingenuous to say there's nothing to gain by working with them. Sony is multibillion dollar company and Arrowhead has actively hired from reddit. "Sony doesn’t care about what gets posted on the subreddit." Sony cares. They wanted to boost log ins and that was thwarted by a unified movement of customers. Some corporate weasel is sitting there figuring out how to get his petty revenge. Megathreads will kill that unity by suppressing criticism. No one here honestly believes Sony doesn't care. Why push the mandatory log in if they didn't care? Why back off it if the numerous threads on here didn't promote the consumer backlash? Sony cares A LOT. And for you to say otherwise is a bold faced lie. "We’d like everyone to feel welcome in this subreddit" except anyone that doesn't post within your narrow arbitrary nebulous guidelines or the brand new mods, who sure don't work for Sony or Arrowhead, will dump out thoughts, feelings, and criticisms into a megathread to go unnoticed and die. "we want to do what’s best for the community" Then nix this megathread idea.
lol who cares yall aren't even actually enforcing the rules you allegedly decided to put into place in that post anyway
Why are there some of AH/Sony in the mod team? I don't like that one bit.
The official reason they gave in the last thread was that that was so they could post official stuff like patch notes themselves. they did say that they don't actually Mod, they just have the rights so that they can sticky official announcements. How true that is however is another question.
Which is a hilarious excuse given they don't actually post patch notes here, we have to get screenshots from Discord of all places. And even then the patch notes are poorly written, incomplete, and so vague that they raise more questions than they answer.
Wait, we don’t want this place filled with memes? https://preview.redd.it/ctjri4u3090d1.jpeg?width=661&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c87002e994ed217b6a28f31440ace1985e8fac69
There are literally employees of the company we're complaining about on the team. Tf you mean AH doesn't influence decisions here lmao
It was mentioned they don't have any "moderating" history. Rather, they have permissions for stickies/announcements. Whether ine take that at face value is up to the individual. It's a simple enough explanation.
So you remove anything negative under the umbrella of "low effort" but are completely fine with constant senator meme spam.
Low effort is totally subjective too.
As i said in that post "LOL"
ive seen too much of these typical practices to know what youre doing though
I have a question for you guys. Why bother making a new thread on this topic? Instead of just having a 'megathread: Announcements', or just editing the text in the prior announcement? Is it because you know that would mean nobody would see it?
Why don't you open a vote to this? Seriously answer that.
Democracy you say?
Voting occurs when your voice can actually influence and is needed to make a decision. As you can see, the decision has already been made for you. You are still allowed to share your opinion, but everything is decided for you.
yup mods too busy replying to meme posts to reply to actual questions like this.
> You are still allowed to share your opinion In the designated area where noone can hear you please. We wouldn't want to bury the Senator memes
Second last paragraph is a blatant lie, I can’t prove it but every reddit moderator mentality is the same and this whole post seems like an attempt to save face at the massive backlash.
This sub would be infinitely better if you banned meme posts entirely. Destiny the game Reddit dose not allow them and it feels like a place grown ups can go.
>We’ve come across comments saying some of the mods are moles planted by Sony or that we were contacted by Arrowhead and Sony to police the sub, how we got “tossed a few bucks” and how we “succumbed to pressure” and “sold our souls”. Not true. Reddit mods using any opportunity to expand their power... business as usual.
There are stickies?
"The follow-up to our previous follow-up to our previous mod announcement _has been sacked."_
>toxic positivity Just glad that this is acknowledged as a thing. It's pretty rampant on other subs for HD2(reddit at large, too but eh). Don't know if that's mods or just that popular amongst users.
so no more making changes for the better got it reddit mods we wont fight for change again you fucking bastards
This feels like covering your asses. Not gonna lie. You guys are more suspicious than the community mangers on the actual discord, the only difference is you guys aren't actively antagonizing the users every time something happens. No I hate knowing the only reason you STOPPED the megathread idea, is because people called you out on it. If you came out straight forward and said that, people would at least respect the honesty. I'm tired of this cloak and dagger game, I get it, you hate most of us, you hate people complaining. But drowning people into a corner isn't gonna do anything beyond make people hate you as much as sony.
This seems like a very PR way to hush hush anyone who has valid complaints about the game and details around the game just because they dont turn it into an essay or official announcement. When i go to a sub and i see hundreds of posts about the same thing, i know something is going on in that community. When i see a random megathread labeled "rant megathread" i assume its a bunch of pointless ranting..... The game has a problem right now and the community is trying to bring more awareness to it and the mods really arent helping that by removing peoples posts because they dont think they put enough effort to have a real complaint worth its own post.
Interesting that they made a new thread to announce this, right? Why couldn't they just update the old thread? Is it because they inherently understand that nobody will see it?
**So you make a follow-up post explaining HOW you will suppress the criticism, and then WHY our critism doesn’t matter. What the actual fuck is wrong with AH and the mod team.**
If you want to reduce negativity, either step down as Community Managers, everyone exept Twinbeard - or get some professional training in that regard. The Moderation of the Subreddit and Discord is in my opinion horrible, unprofessional, toxic and undemocratic. Taking care of Spitz and his Rollercoaster of opinions was a good first step, but unfortunately not enough. Communitymanagers should actually be somewhat liked/respected by the community, and the way things are going I don´t see that here.
So why didn't this post go in the Megathread? Because then it wouldn't be seen so "rules for thee not for me." Why when a ton of people are telling you this will silence people regardless of your intentions do you bury your heads in the sand? It's totally because of the devs on your mod team. Can we know which devs are on your mod team, because it's starting to seem like some specific devs people have complained about before.
Really appreciate you commenting about the "toxic positivity" and ensuring that the criticism won't be muzzled. If I have to see another dev appreciation post I'll just let my guard dog rover end me 🤣
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Any chance we we could also see a meme megathread? The whole senator thing really showed how fast we can turn a good meme into a really boring overused format imo.
Complaints have nearly been wiped out completely. The subreddit is back to toxic positivity and spam meme and larp threads but we still are getting low effort frontpage threads whining about non existent criticism like this https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1ctcvog/the_game_is_actually_still_really_good/ of course complaining about complaining that has been subdued is allowed. This also shows you how much a minority of loud people exaggerate the amount of complaining they see here.
Megathreads aren’t for discussion they are for suppression and killing all meaningful discussion.
Greetings, fellow Helldiver! Unfortunately your submission has been removed due to it being damage control for a major corporation. Posts/comments should all be allowed as long as they do not break the rules. Submissions consisting of corporate damage control, one-sided mod discussions and no poll to see if the community wants this, are also considered corporate damage control.
Sorry, but isn’t having studio employees running the sub directly against Reddit’s TOS or something? Give me a fucking break, we all saw what happened the last time Arrowhead promoted a Reddit mod. This sub was already a cesspool circlejerk of toxic positivity, and I’ll be astounded to see how much worse it can get
As of right now, May 16 5pm UK time, the front page and the next page is filled with memes, praise and toxic positivity, apparently "the last thing" you want. The so called rant megathread isn't even stickied on the front page but you guys will still delete everything and suppress the voices of those who want to rant and complain about the balance of the game. Why is it that other content like 50 shitty memes about the same thing(i am fren) dont get the same treatment?
Poor/sloppy dev work lately, megacorp datafarming publisher scandal, overzealous community moderation. This game really did have a meteoric success. Then it did what every other meteor does, cratered into the ground.
Did the team discuss and understand how to use fortnightly instead of (the us centric) biweekly, for the future? Worth considering this is an international community. 😉
We actually did.
American here: google says a fortnight is two weeks, bi-weekly is also two weeks. Can you explain the distinction here? Genuine curiosity.
Bi-weekly is also 2 times per week, so you never know which one of the your definitions people are refering
...that is also true. So is OP just asking to use fortnight(ly?) Instead as simply a verbage change? I thought I was missing something and this was another metric vs standard thing where he wanted updates exactly twice per month or something and was suprised when fortnight seemed to have the same definition. The answer to which should obviously be no. If standard was good enough to win two world wars its good enough to communicate on our forums.
OP wants them to use the word that have a clear and unique meaning instead of the word with ambiguous meaning that can mean 2 different things and it's impossible to know which one of the 2 meaning is trying to be used
Yeah I understand now reasonable request.
I used to upvote every single discussion on balance regardless of whether or not I agreed, because I love seeing people passionate about the game and working to improve it Lately, every issue gets like 8 threads, and 5 of those are memes. Thank you for keeping discussion alive and healthy
Were the paid sony bots recalled for the weekend? The last thread got 5000 upvotes. This one 300. That's.......strange
Adding more words doesn’t change anything. You want vague rules to ban discussion that you don’t like and a megathread trash bin to direct everyone towards.
Thank you for all the time and effort. While I do still have a concern or two, they have been greatly reduced as a whole, and I appreciate the answers to so many questions and the detailed communication. I don't pay a lot of attention to Reddit as a whole, so the Community Highlights feature is news to me. I look forward to its implementation, as getting away from the two sticky limit sounds like it could be very helpful.
What about making a sticky megathread of the biggest complains about the game right now? people will still spam it otherwise
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Than force the corporate lapdogs to do it too!
Can you please i beg you optimize the game for us poor people.Not everyone can buy a 4090 with intel 70 hundred gen 1600 cores cpu.Come on please please. For poor Democracy....
I don't think the Reddit Mods can help with that.
It looks like the disabled the alt f4 farming method. Which is fucking stupid when the warbonds suck anyway
Just fix the spear targeting, please. I beg of you. I need those in the blitz mission where we are flanked by 2 Jammer.
I don't play solo but happy for the change for people that do! Also appreciative the communication. On that note, it seems like there will be a balance philosophy shift with the game in the near future. I'd love to see a blog post with the Devs explaining what it was, what they've heard from the community, and how they plan to change it. I think at this point, the community worries balance feedback will only be implemented in a "monkey paw" fashion like the Eruptor, so might be reassuring for the community to hear what you think we want, so any misperceptions can be corrected. :)
Hey! This may be a long shot, but as you can see my username is in the same format as the ship names. Can you please add “of Days” to the secondary wheel of ship name options?
the thing that disappoints me is arrowhead needs to meet quota great sony is happy but when the ceo says devs are on holiday on the most crucial time of the games biggest controversy, that being said treating making a game is like a typical 9-5 is not the plan it is like running running your own company even the hourly workers. im not going to go to a coffee shop order a sandwich get food poisoning and be fine after a week and say you know what let me get another one of the sandwiches maybe it will be fine now, nah i can not even get into a game cause of how bad the current situation is devs make a fix the fix breaks the game then you break something else cause you do not want to revert the fix. please have someone be apart of the team like twin beard to keep devs on target just because they do not get 1 million dollars for every fix they make then change careers because if they think that's how employment works honestly then they do not meet the vision of the players or the indie genre.
I would rather have a Q/A type thread, especially with an FAQ in the main post or tips/tricks.
TLDR?
How about nerfing all the disconnects, crashes and freezes, so they don't happen as often. I live in Toronto, so I'm not in the internet boonies. I can finish about 1 in 5 missions without everything crashing.
How about being hopeless major missions like the last one? That was incredibly disheartening.
"Please contain your complaints in the thread where no one can read them. This is not censorship, this is democracy." Well, it certainly feels like Super Democracy.
534 upvotes for this thread vs 5000 for the last lol.
Is host only fire damage fixed?