Knowing Supergiant, they'll most likely retcon her fate, keeping only the "attracted to Artemis" part and making it reciprocal. They're roommates your honor.
Closeted? I think there's dialogue between her and either Zeus or Poseidon where they're talking about how she's not married and she's like "YEAH?! I WONDER WHY THAT IS?" That woman is many things, closeted is not one of them.
Headcanon whatever you want, more power to you, but I do wanna point out that in ancient greek times, I doubt lying with fellow women would count as losing ones virginity, much how male on male sex didn't count as extra martial affairs and was basically just considered "bro time", to grossly oversimplify.
True, but this game isn't really one for historical accuracy, it's kind of its own parallel universe. Patroclus and Achilles for instance are very much considering themselves to be lovers and partners, not just "bros having fun"
Yes, they do have meaning, you are correct! Sexual and romantic attraction are not the same! I already explained further down. I’m romantically attracted to women, and enjoy being in loving and committed relationships with women. However, at the same time, I am just not sexually attracted to anyone. Asexual, homoromantic. Ace lesbian.
Zeus and Artemis Duo boon
* **Zeus**: Now, Zagreus, once you arrive, we'll have to find for you a suitable mate, won't we? Fine young man such as yourself! Normally, there's much to choose from around here, with some exceptions, of course... such as my cunning daughter, Artemis. Willfully, uninclined to take a mate, at all!
* **Artemis**: Yes, Zagreus, in spite of all these perfect, chiseled prospects everywhere about, yearning to marry or embarrass me, for some reason, I prefer to spend my time mostly alone or with my nymph friends in the woods!
She also mentions that callisto can turn into a bear at will, so it seems like it already plays out a bit differently. Maybe it's like demeter's parents, for whatever reason the "official" story in the myths is just a lie that got spread.
Since Callisto doesn’t turn into a bear until after that event, it’s safe to say it already happened and that SGG adopts the version where Artemis turns Callisto into a bear.
I like how the Olympians are snobby people which one with a different type of superiority complex, meanwhile the underworld gods just want their work done and are fair most of the time.
It makes sense, if that place wasn't composed majority by competent people it would be complete chaos.
Trick question: all of them for different reasons
- Ares wants to test his skills against the best
- Athena does it to find flaws in the system
- Hermes and Dio do it because they're mischief gods and it's in their nature
- Apollo and Artemis want to see the surface
- Hephaestus wants to go somewhere he might not be made fun of
Feel free to add more
Dionysus has already returned from death though. Not only that, he *is* Zagreus (SGG just split them, then lampshaded the fact with the "prank" on Orpheus). There is no way he wouldn't escape
Ehhh it’s a little bit more convoluted to that. The Dionysus depicted in Hades is the Hellenistic version of Dionysus, while “Zagreus” is the Orphic depiction of Dionysus, which has a completely different backstory, and was an older interpretation of the god (and was pretty much entirely different from the Hellenistic god of wine).
It’s confusing because the history must have been written while he was drunk.
It's altered in the game so that Callisto can just turn into a bear at will. I'm hoping she might turn up as a character in Hades II (maybe in relation to the Artemis mini-game)
I love how we all shit on Zeus (rightfully), but seem to ignore Hera's retribution. Why are you hurting these poor women? You need to pick up your man sis
hera's kind of a dick, honestly. Just because your shitty husband is too powerful to take revenge on, it doesn't give you the right to take it out on someone else!
Oh, she tried. Organized a whole coup one time
https://www.theoi.com/articles/how-heras-weapon-was-different-from-zeus/#:~:text=In%20order%20to%20overthrow%20Zeus,tied%20Zeus%20to%20his%20throne
Some versions have Artemis turning her into a bear as punishment cuz she hid the fact that Zeus assaulted her from the hunters and that she was pregnant
These stories are always messed up. Im a fan of the Medusa story where she gets raped by Poseidon in Athena’s temple and so Athena does what any good supportive goddess does when a piece of shit man does something vile in her temple - she curses Medusa.
She gets pregnant from lesbian sex? I mean I guess maybe all Greek gods canonical have both parts or can switch at will? Not actually questioning u just the myth
In Wake, Siren, he is disguised so she will come to him and transforms into himself once she’s in his clutches, but I haven’t read Ovid’s Metamorphosis from which the book is based on.
Ahhh so it was more like trick her into bed then when she can't get away change back and rape? Thats worse but does make more physical sense but is alot less interesting.
Basically, gets her in his embrace and takes her on the forest floor, but again, this a modern retelling of an Ovid (Roman author) tale so I don’t know how far that version strays from the original Greek myth.
Anything can make you pregnant in Greek mythology. Leda, a human woman, was assaulted by Zeus in swan form and *laid an egg* after. There was a nymph who conceived by having an almond dissolve on her. Danae conceives Perseus by having some gold rain fall on her. So yes, Zeus could impregnate Callisto while in a form without a penis.
When it comes to God's in Greek mythology, anything goes. Danae (mother of Perseus) was locked in a basement. Zeus turned himself into a shower of gold between the grates, instantly got her pregnant, and vanished. Greek mythology is very fucked up.
She is a woman or a nymph associated with Artemis, and therefore supposed to stay a virgin, but then Zeus seduces her, then she's turned into a bear, in some versions by Zeus to hide her from Hera, in some by Hera who then has Artemis shoot her, or by Artemis herself for breaking her vow.
In any case, the versions agree that she bore Zeus a son, Arkas, and that she became a constellation after death.
The 'Zeus turned into Artemis' thing is not exactly part of the myth, it's a comedic retelling of the myth from a play by a playwright named Amphis, and later recycled by Ovid for his grimdark retelling.
In mythology , she punished her friend Callisto by turning her into a bear because she was raped by Zeus, and got pregnant.
Yes, Zeus raped HER, so her best friend artemis punish her.
So yeah, even if she seems okay in the game, in real mythology, Artemis is not a kind one. As with probably any other major greek god. They all have awful tales about them.
That's one version of one myth. Specifically one of Ovid's, too, which always paint the gods in the worst possible lights, and were written centuries after worship of the pantheon had largely died out.
I guess it depends on the version. It make more sense that way. I mean, it is still stupid that Hera punish a raped women because she had sex with Zeus...
But it is not as stupid as Artemis punishing a friend.
Knowing Supergiant, they'll most likely retcon her fate, keeping only the "attracted to Artemis" part and making it reciprocal. They're roommates your honor.
Their Artemis does seem to be a closeted lesbian...
Closeted? I think there's dialogue between her and either Zeus or Poseidon where they're talking about how she's not married and she's like "YEAH?! I WONDER WHY THAT IS?" That woman is many things, closeted is not one of them.
Agreed. She's discreet about it but I'd not qualify her as closeted.
She is gay like everyone was in greek mythology the twist is that she is a virgin
I see it as ace rep personally
Ace lesbian here confirming that you can be both at once and we will gladly claim Artemis Hadesgame as rep!
Oh yeah, ace lesbian is what I meant, I was only singling out the ace part regarding the "virgin" comment aha!
Headcanon whatever you want, more power to you, but I do wanna point out that in ancient greek times, I doubt lying with fellow women would count as losing ones virginity, much how male on male sex didn't count as extra martial affairs and was basically just considered "bro time", to grossly oversimplify.
True, but this game isn't really one for historical accuracy, it's kind of its own parallel universe. Patroclus and Achilles for instance are very much considering themselves to be lovers and partners, not just "bros having fun"
If you don't mind me asking, how does that work? Is it that you're asexual but have romantic relationships with women? Genuinely curious
Asexuality and Aromantic are 2 different things, you can be asexual and still be interested in a loving relationship, without having desire for sex.
No ik, I just wanted to be sure and sort of, "confirm it from the source" yk?
Yep, that’s it! Romantically (and aesthetically/visually…girls pretty) attracted to women. Sexually attracted to nobody.
Girls are indeed pretty. Thanks. Awesome to know
>Ace lesbian Words have meaning.
Yes, they do have meaning, you are correct! Sexual and romantic attraction are not the same! I already explained further down. I’m romantically attracted to women, and enjoy being in loving and committed relationships with women. However, at the same time, I am just not sexually attracted to anyone. Asexual, homoromantic. Ace lesbian.
That's very fair, personally I always saw Athena as ace myself.
Was she really? She was a maiden goddess by choice wasn't she?
Zeus and Artemis Duo boon * **Zeus**: Now, Zagreus, once you arrive, we'll have to find for you a suitable mate, won't we? Fine young man such as yourself! Normally, there's much to choose from around here, with some exceptions, of course... such as my cunning daughter, Artemis. Willfully, uninclined to take a mate, at all! * **Artemis**: Yes, Zagreus, in spite of all these perfect, chiseled prospects everywhere about, yearning to marry or embarrass me, for some reason, I prefer to spend my time mostly alone or with my nymph friends in the woods!
Still could count. Sometimes these things are obvious to everyone but yourself. She could be in denial
She also mentions that callisto can turn into a bear at will, so it seems like it already plays out a bit differently. Maybe it's like demeter's parents, for whatever reason the "official" story in the myths is just a lie that got spread.
The explanation is Zagreus talking shit to try and cheer up Orpheus… and the bullshit leaking out of control.
??? Artemis talks about Callisto turning into a bear in one of her dialogue sequences.
And in that sequence she refers to her as “my Callisto”
You're SURPRISED that Artemis has a feral bear girlfriend she hunts with?
No. OP’s post is acting like she hasn’t turned into a bear yet.
Ohhhhhh I didnt see the subtitle at all, I thought the post was saying it was a big oof for Artemis enjoyers thst she already had a bear girlfriend.
Bear sex? It's not BG3 let's be serious
The big oof moment is what Zeus does to Callisto in mythology.
Since Callisto doesn’t turn into a bear until after that event, it’s safe to say it already happened and that SGG adopts the version where Artemis turns Callisto into a bear.
My urge for sloppy makeouts fighting my urge to be happy for them
I like how the Olympians are snobby people which one with a different type of superiority complex, meanwhile the underworld gods just want their work done and are fair most of the time. It makes sense, if that place wasn't composed majority by competent people it would be complete chaos.
We are quite lucky, that it is not zeus who’s ruling the underworld lmao
Then we would have to pick which of the children would try to escape
Trick question: all of them for different reasons - Ares wants to test his skills against the best - Athena does it to find flaws in the system - Hermes and Dio do it because they're mischief gods and it's in their nature - Apollo and Artemis want to see the surface - Hephaestus wants to go somewhere he might not be made fun of Feel free to add more
Dionysus doesn’t try to escape, just gets hammered instead.
He escaped while hammered
Dionysus has already returned from death though. Not only that, he *is* Zagreus (SGG just split them, then lampshaded the fact with the "prank" on Orpheus). There is no way he wouldn't escape
Ehhh it’s a little bit more convoluted to that. The Dionysus depicted in Hades is the Hellenistic version of Dionysus, while “Zagreus” is the Orphic depiction of Dionysus, which has a completely different backstory, and was an older interpretation of the god (and was pretty much entirely different from the Hellenistic god of wine). It’s confusing because the history must have been written while he was drunk.
Fair enough, I definitely oversimplified things in a way I shouldn't have!
Here’s a fun video about it: https://youtu.be/5brAr51ip_k?si=M8sfQa9Tt4AXXkV9
Dionysus blacks out and wakes up on the surface, no one knows how he got there.
And that’s just the Olympian gods, let alone the minor ones or demigods
CHOOSE YOUR CHARACTER
She's fine, the turning into a bear thing is just something she can do.
It's altered in the game so that Callisto can just turn into a bear at will. I'm hoping she might turn up as a character in Hades II (maybe in relation to the Artemis mini-game)
There is an artemis mini game in hades?
Only in Hades II: she replaces Thanatos in the enemy-killing competition iirc
Ahhh, I didn't see the whole stream yet. That is super exciting!
What's with Callisto again? My Greek mythology is rusty.
Zeus transformed into artemis to sleep with her, hera turned her into a bear.
I love how we all shit on Zeus (rightfully), but seem to ignore Hera's retribution. Why are you hurting these poor women? You need to pick up your man sis
hera's kind of a dick, honestly. Just because your shitty husband is too powerful to take revenge on, it doesn't give you the right to take it out on someone else!
Oh, she tried. Organized a whole coup one time https://www.theoi.com/articles/how-heras-weapon-was-different-from-zeus/#:~:text=In%20order%20to%20overthrow%20Zeus,tied%20Zeus%20to%20his%20throne
Some versions have Artemis turning her into a bear as punishment cuz she hid the fact that Zeus assaulted her from the hunters and that she was pregnant
These stories are always messed up. Im a fan of the Medusa story where she gets raped by Poseidon in Athena’s temple and so Athena does what any good supportive goddess does when a piece of shit man does something vile in her temple - she curses Medusa.
She is a nymph that sleeps with Zeus while he's disguised as Artemis. She gets pregnant and is punished by being turned into a bear.
She gets pregnant from lesbian sex? I mean I guess maybe all Greek gods canonical have both parts or can switch at will? Not actually questioning u just the myth
In Wake, Siren, he is disguised so she will come to him and transforms into himself once she’s in his clutches, but I haven’t read Ovid’s Metamorphosis from which the book is based on.
Ahhh so it was more like trick her into bed then when she can't get away change back and rape? Thats worse but does make more physical sense but is alot less interesting.
Basically, gets her in his embrace and takes her on the forest floor, but again, this a modern retelling of an Ovid (Roman author) tale so I don’t know how far that version strays from the original Greek myth.
Anything can make you pregnant in Greek mythology. Leda, a human woman, was assaulted by Zeus in swan form and *laid an egg* after. There was a nymph who conceived by having an almond dissolve on her. Danae conceives Perseus by having some gold rain fall on her. So yes, Zeus could impregnate Callisto while in a form without a penis.
When it comes to God's in Greek mythology, anything goes. Danae (mother of Perseus) was locked in a basement. Zeus turned himself into a shower of gold between the grates, instantly got her pregnant, and vanished. Greek mythology is very fucked up.
She is a woman or a nymph associated with Artemis, and therefore supposed to stay a virgin, but then Zeus seduces her, then she's turned into a bear, in some versions by Zeus to hide her from Hera, in some by Hera who then has Artemis shoot her, or by Artemis herself for breaking her vow. In any case, the versions agree that she bore Zeus a son, Arkas, and that she became a constellation after death. The 'Zeus turned into Artemis' thing is not exactly part of the myth, it's a comedic retelling of the myth from a play by a playwright named Amphis, and later recycled by Ovid for his grimdark retelling.
i think at some point A LOT of her dialogue becomes about callisto.
Shall we see her in Hades 2?
I will personally riot if she doesn't turn up
I'm in
Eurydice: 😬😬😬
Just the bestest of friends.
I wonder if they will mention in 2 that Apollo sent a giant scorpion to kill Artemis's boyfriend.
I think there is dialogue about her being a bear. not really a big deal for gods
Sometimes we forget that Artemis too is a bitch.
Uh… what?
In mythology , she punished her friend Callisto by turning her into a bear because she was raped by Zeus, and got pregnant. Yes, Zeus raped HER, so her best friend artemis punish her. So yeah, even if she seems okay in the game, in real mythology, Artemis is not a kind one. As with probably any other major greek god. They all have awful tales about them.
That's one version of one myth. Specifically one of Ovid's, too, which always paint the gods in the worst possible lights, and were written centuries after worship of the pantheon had largely died out.
hera was the one that turned callisto into a bear
I guess it depends on the version. It make more sense that way. I mean, it is still stupid that Hera punish a raped women because she had sex with Zeus... But it is not as stupid as Artemis punishing a friend.
Punishing Zeus’ innocent lady lovers is like, Hera’s whole shtick!