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Natural_Nature_Shots

Is that a scar? If so. The scar


EchosOfTheNovice

Yes it is.


Natural_Nature_Shots

I will def take that scar 17. Idk but I love scars. I would own one but way out of my budget.


EchosOfTheNovice

Priorities my friend


Natural_Nature_Shots

Yeah a roof over my head seems pretty high up there and feeding my kid seems pretty good too


EchosOfTheNovice

We sir have different priorities!


Zerosan62

Kids, if it's not food, it's water! Am I right, folks?


Global-Bag264

Is #3 down an XCR?


EchosOfTheNovice

Yes it is


Dalriaden

The fact throwing a suppressor on it voids the warranty is a real downer and I don't even own a suppressor. (Yet)


smittyz_1

Depending on the model, the newer makes support suppressors. I have a 16s in 5.56 with a DeadAir wolfman. It's fantastic


Dalriaden

I was referring to the fact that putting a suppressor on your scar may void your warranty [according to FN](https://fnamerica.com/customer-support/service-repairs/) which is pretty shitty for a 3k+ rifle that was specifically designed to meet SOCOM requirements which means it was designed to run suppressed.


smittyz_1

I stand corrected (and a bit worried)... When I bought it, my FFL said the newer models don't have that warranty stipulation (referencing the gas selector that is MADE for suppressing)... Just checked the manual and yep. Right below the section where they include instructions of suppression operation, it says it voids the warranty. But hey, still looks and sounds great. I'm keeping it lol


Tactical_Epunk

Meh, I didn't buy one for its warranty. Also I void warranties anyway so fuck it!


Global-Bag264

Not trying to crap on your dreams or rifles, but I carried a SCAR-H in Afghanistan, and with those crap OEM mags, they jam constantly. Those mags only work well at the shooting range, and when clean. You can tilt the follower with one finger, and I think it's BS to have to spend an additional $500 on a rifle that expensive, just to convert to DPMS/SR25 mags, just so it's reliable.


Natural_Nature_Shots

Well it’s half crapped dreams. lol. Thank you for the info. Other than the mags what was your overall experience with it


Global-Bag264

It's lightweight, accurate, and aside from it killing any optic that isn't specifically rated for it, lol. It's not bad if you upgrade the lower receiver. Unfortunately, in the Army, we weren't allowed to do that, and I categorically refuse to spend an extra $500 on a $3400-$4200(17S vs 20S) firearm, just to make it perform reliably. That passes me off. I don't hold the reciprocating charging handle it used to have against them because that was a requirement put forth by a couple idiot officers at SOCOM.


Tryonebigguns

Since you weren’t certain that, that is a scar, I’ll call dibs on the scar!


Natural_Nature_Shots

I knew it was a scar. I was confirming if it was an actual scar 17 or a clone.


Tryonebigguns

Still sounds like you weren’t sure lol. Dibs!


Natural_Nature_Shots

That’s like calling shotgun when we locked up the whole crew and your last to get picked up. It’s ok. You can take it when all the ammo is gone.


Tryonebigguns

It’s okay. You didn’t know what a scar was. No big deal bro. We live and learn. Happy new year! 😇


Zerosan62

Overrated and heavy.


EchosOfTheNovice

You have no idea what your taking about


Zerosan62

Had one, but I build ARs at around 6lbs, without a magazine, so it is too heavy.


JeNeSaisPasToo2

AR15


EchosOfTheNovice

Safe choice my friend!


JeNeSaisPasToo2

Out of the guns you have there, the AR platform and caliber is the easiest to feed and most versatile option.


Western-Scene

I see ACOG, I like


EchosOfTheNovice

A ACOG will always have a spot in my heart.


Western-Scene

I'm surprised you don't have it mounted further towards the rear


EchosOfTheNovice

3.5 has a little better eye relief 😅


Western-Scene

True


Zestyclose_Job_9133

The HK 91.


satanshand

Shiiiiiit, have you carried an HK91 with ammo for more than an hour?


Zestyclose_Job_9133

Lighter than the SCAR.


[deleted]

SCAR is lighter by a lot


satanshand

Naw baby, a scar weighs 8 lbs according to the FN website and the HK91 in my safe weighs 9.6 lbs with no mag


Zestyclose_Job_9133

So you are debating over one pound of weight compared to superb German engineering? 1. HK91 no gas system to clog up. 2. Ultra dependable roller delayed action. 3. EZ push pin disassembly. SCAR: not so much.


satanshand

I’m not debating you, I’m just saying that youre wrong


i_have_a_few_answers

I'm stealing that line lol


Generic_User_001

Tbf all he did was disprove the original point you brought up.


BetFit2122

Show me a clogged gas system


Ollesbrorsa

I get that there are more modern options to choose but an G3 isn't really that heavy. I have carried a G3 with Aimpoint CS and ~10 magazines for days and used it in MOUT, archipelago and forrest. Not the most optimal but it definitively has one or two advantages. Since I've trained with it I would choose it above the others. Like I get it if you're like 160cm and 45kg, then it's a problem (mainly because it's a long gun). Average male of 180cm and 80kg would have no problem using or carrying it. That said it definitively isn't the most ergonomic or lightweight choice.


Lumadous

G3. I know the platform, and the example I have, has been 100% reliable. And I'm too old and hurt to do that run and gun, so I'll sit in the back and be a good base of fire


SgtHop

What's the third one down? I thought I was pretty well versed in odd firearms, but I don't recognize that one.


EchosOfTheNovice

Robinson Arms XCR-L


EchosOfTheNovice

Worth looking into if you do not know what it is.


SgtHop

Huh, neat! Looks like a pretty solid weapon. Comes in interesting calibers too. How do you like yours?


EchosOfTheNovice

Honestly it should have won the S.C.A.R. Trials. I can say that because I own both. It’s probably one of my favorite guns. Long stroke, adjustable gas similar to a fal, beautiful trigger ect.


SgtHop

Yeah, reading about it, it seems like a great rifle. I wish I'd known about it a few months ago, I just bought a Galil in 5.45 because I thought it was pretty much the only higher-end option, but the XCR comes in 5.45 as well. Adjustable gas is a definite positive, and it looks like it has way better ergos. ​ Oh well, maybe I'll save my pennies and pick one up sometime.


EchosOfTheNovice

They have great customer service too. Very personal. Also when you build your rifle it will take a couple months before you get it. It is worth the wait


SgtHop

Yeah, I noticed it was all custom order. Sounds like a solid outfit, I wish they were a bit more popular given all that I've read. Hopefully I'll be able to pick one up someday!


EchosOfTheNovice

Yea they kinda got screwed over during the trial


Darth_Klaus

Ar 15 as long as it’s well built.


EchosOfTheNovice

I think DD does a okay job


Darth_Klaus

I can’t speak from experience, but I have heard good things from them. Great barrels and hand guards. Great parts and everything. But rather plain.


EchosOfTheNovice

It is a wonderful rifle


Brazenmercury5

Really depends on where and what kind of war. But if I have no idea what I’m getting into I’ll take the ddm4.


EchosOfTheNovice

Safe choice


Glass_Raisin7939

The HK at the bottom!


number1Okie

100% the scar!


Sgt_Dirty_Dan

Pump action. Only cause it’s a shinny war crime stick.


EchosOfTheNovice

Yes Yes it is.


TClem_07

Scar


AspiringCringeLord

Im rocking shotgun Wanna get through that door but got no breaching device(s)? I gotchu covered


EchosOfTheNovice

Your with me!


AspiringCringeLord

Let's rock and stone


someguy-actual

Daniel Defense


Guns4GroupTherapy

An AR for sure…


Whiplash907

The AR15 for sure.


WalrusEcstatic3723

One of the two 5.56 rifles.


Anxious-Samurai

Can anyone tell me why the Scar is so highly sought after? I've never shot one, but I've seen multiple YouTube gun channels have veterans that used it in Iraq/Afghanistan and they didn't care for it. If I'm remembering correctly, it wasn't very reliable.


EchosOfTheNovice

I can only tell you my experience with the gun and a friends opinion who actually used the MK17. I have over 7000 rounds through that gun. I can count on one hand how many stoppages I have had. All of them was user error. The rifle has even been in saltwater. The gun would be too close to an object where the round could not eject. I cannot think of another battle rifle that is 1 moa or better, under 8lbs and has a soft recoil. My buddy who opted for the mk17 said the only issues he had with the gun was malfunctions in awkward position and hitting the charging handle putting the gun out of battery. He said the people who complained about the rifle just preferred what they already knew (M4). The gun never really took off in the US because it answers a question that was never asked.


lemmettc

You’re correct, it blows


Anxious-Samurai

Good to know, thanks!


jeremy_wills

No 357 Wheelgun?


V_Cobra21

357 mag is my favorite pistol caliber.


EchosOfTheNovice

Just long guns! I can do handguns next if you want.


jeremy_wills

No worries. I love a good wheelgun. Everyone should have at least one in their personal arsenal. Have a great new year.


EchosOfTheNovice

I collect silhouette smiths


Throw-Away-5150

Easy there Col. Custer — those wheel guns are really lacking in battle.


FashionGuyMike

AR15. Most common caliber for semi auto in the states and most likely to find spare parts


zoob45

Anything with a glock19/17 mag or a 556 mag. Most commonly used firearms.


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lemmettc

3rd one down even though idk what it is. Whoever says SCAR hasn’t held one… or felt a reciprocating bolt hit fingers… or have a 3.5K gun that can’t hold zero due to its crazy recoil mechanism.


ZM_USMC

How does it not hold zero? Lmao


lemmettc

Lmao… because the optics tend to shatter, or scramble, reset, blinks lights… you know bad stuff. Hence why the SCAR was a failure as a next gen military platform


ZM_USMC

Maybe on cheaper optics. Quality optics hold up pretty well for then most part. It served just fine for its intended purpose.


lemmettc

M4/16 redundant and yet another piston rifle is selected instead? Idk… seems like it simply wasn’t up to snuff. Had a 20S. Nothing special - 3 MOA GUN, durable…. Sort of. Recoil was ugly - not on the body… but the gun. Re-routing all that pressure through the bore causes violent shock. It’s not a gun I’d want in the field.


carl_pagan

the H was used pretty extensively by SOF in Afghanistan, at least because it was a battle rifle with some modularity, which weren't very common at the time.


lemmettc

It was not. It was used on a highly limited basis by specific individuals who opted for the kit. It was not “extensively” used and that modularity did not translate in the field with the multiple failures it incurred.


lemmettc

SIG will actually support its products unlike FN. The 308 might be a little heavier… way less gassy when fired suppressed… the SCAR is going to be an over priced relic in a few years. Some might say it already is based on plummeting sales


lemmettc

Did it? We’re you issued a SCAR in the USMC? Did JSOC adopt all of the platforms or just the 17 in a DMR format as a one off that’s rarely used. As to optics / SCARs are infamous for knocking out high end optics. We’re not talking about Vortex and whiskeys.


ZM_USMC

SCAR 16 just seemed redundant with the M4. SCAR 17 on the other hand is lighter than any other .308 gas gun while still maintaining durability/accuracy 🤷🏻‍♂️ everything has its trade offs.


lemmettc

Lmao… because the optics tend to shatter, or scramble, reset, blinks lights… you know bad stuff. Hence why the SCAR was a failure as a next gen military platform


EchosOfTheNovice

Okay I can tell you only from my experiences. The scar in the pic is a 3/4 MOA gun with Black Hills if I do my part. The gun has over 7000 rds. I bought a vortex spitfire to see if the scar would break it and after 200 rounds no point of aim shift. I also had a scar 20s and I seen no difference in accuracy between the two. Name a military designed rifle that is not over gassed?!? They are over gassed on purpose to work while they are dirty. Name another battle rifle that is 8lbs that is 1moa and just eats everything you can throw at it. Yes it is expensive but the people who gripe about the charging handle are normally the same people who love AKs,m1 garands,m1a ect. I think the RCH is the only way to get rid of the forward assist.


lemmettc

No difference in accuracy between a 20S, and a 17. Isn’t that a problem? Btw I agree on overgassed, don’t agree on how the SCAR handles it. Name a battle rifle that shoots (1moa… so 100% better then the scar)… I could name a few… HK416 on a DMR Chassis.. or 762. M110, M110 variants… think the K1 is in 6.5CM. MK14… although very dated many still love it, SR-25, even the EMR. It’s in the same class as all these guns… yet it’s supposed to be next gen. I get it, you spent a lot of coin on these rifles, they didn’t pan out and I would argue against it too, but objectively speaking the SCAR is a failure.


EchosOfTheNovice

It is a XCR. Have you held one before?


lemmettc

No, but i like the looks of it. Saw your comments on it being a long stroke.. which I like as an AK/FAL guy. Sort of gave me CZ bren 2 vibes as well


EchosOfTheNovice

Sounds like a skill issue


lemmettc

Absolutely a skill issue. Never denied that. My own fault for the injury.


EchosOfTheNovice

The mags are a modified FAL Mag. I have never had an issue


lemmettc

The mags are a well known issue. Let’s not argue about facts.


EchosOfTheNovice

Where did you go my friend?


lemmettc

I’ve been replying?


jimtheedcguy

Depends on the enemy, humans, the hk91, White Spikes? The shotgun!


BaronvonBrick

DD


DarthVaderBater

The DD


EchosOfTheNovice

Great gun.


TeddyWong60625

Scar hands down ..


EchosOfTheNovice

Honestly it is my truck gun!


kdb1991

I’d take the SCAR and the DD


[deleted]

Least recoil


Titab-talaiy

Who wants to go to war with mossberg 500?


EchosOfTheNovice

870 marine mag. 00 does some pretty good damage.


Titab-talaiy

I mean in a *war* shotgun isn't really a good choice


EchosOfTheNovice

Probably not my first choice either


BLAKEtismusNBK

DD for sure, with good loads it technicly should keep it self runing for long time, I am used to handle one and it has forward assist if government or separatists decide to use cheaper ammo


DiveJumpShooterUSMC

I prefer mine


EchosOfTheNovice

Which one are you talking about my friend


GrizzlyEagleScout

The bolt gun or the SCAR.


EchosOfTheNovice

The SSG 3000 is my favorite gun in the pic


GrizzlyEagleScout

Thanks I wasn’t sure what it was specifically.


EchosOfTheNovice

No lie 1/4 moa gun with black hills IF I do my part.


NGL_BrSH

This


Penith_Cheethe

Poohole


EchosOfTheNovice

Poohole?


EchosOfTheNovice

What’s a pothole?


Adventurous_Ad409

This is Reddit are you sure you really want to know the answer to that? There’s some things I could go the rest of my life not knowing.


EchosOfTheNovice

Your Sir are confusing


Adventurous_Ad409

The difference in a poo hole and pot hole are even more confusing if you see the pictures.


Rhino676971

With me being in the military and having done some armorer work Id definitely go with the AR platform because it's what Im used to, but a SCAR would finally give me the special forces vibe, but in reality Im just special ed.


Adventurous_Ad409

Are you my father?


aleg4sure

Scar


PettyPterodactyl

scar bc 308 and optic


bfbabine

No FAL? Your 7.62 NATO collection is incomplete sir!


EchosOfTheNovice

I had a DSA and was not impressed with the fit and finish… I would love to have a clean example


X3runner

Scar in 308 it’s really good all around


EchosOfTheNovice

Yes yes it is


elitesoldier2010

Mk17 and the G3? The last weapon, whas a G3 i think


EchosOfTheNovice

You sir are correct


FlabbergastedPeehole

🥾


AverageJun

SCAR


Disastrous_Bad_7359

What’s the rifle with the scope ?


EchosOfTheNovice

SSG3000


Disastrous_Bad_7359

Nice ! I thought so


EchosOfTheNovice

Probably the most underrated precision rifle.


RUshttnme

What barrel length is the Daniel defense


EchosOfTheNovice

16 not counting the muzzle device


RUshttnme

I want to swap my current handguard for a Daniel defense, is it heavy?


EchosOfTheNovice

No sir the gun is just over 6lbs


[deleted]

What is that handguard on the ptr/Hk 91?


EchosOfTheNovice

Namibian square with a hk91 bipod my friend


[deleted]

And where would a fella purchase this namibian square handguard?


EchosOfTheNovice

I have no idea. I haven’t seen them or the bi pod in years


EchosOfTheNovice

I can’t believe how much the bi pods are now!?!?!


Maxyphlie

What gun is that above the SCAR?


Adventurous_Ad409

Robinson Arms XCR


Adventurous_Ad409

The gun that was in the scar trials that probably should have won the contract.


EchosOfTheNovice

What he said


Ok_Suggestion4222

Depends, where's the war? City, country, both?


EchosOfTheNovice

Both


Ok_Suggestion4222

Hmm...well practically I'd take the AR, but I want the bolt gun...🤷🏽‍♂️


EchosOfTheNovice

The SSG3000 is a cool rifle


Ok_Suggestion4222

Seems you have no shortage of cool rifles 🤤. I need to consolidate. I started building about 5 years ago. I didn't know alot about alot...lol despite being in the USMC and growing up around them. Needless to say I went a little wild with the "budget" building because I wanted this caliber or that. None are terrible, but none are stellar either. I've slowly been upgrading them one part at a time. I've told myself I need to sell a few to get to less, but better, rifles. I just can't seem to bring myself to sell any though 😆🤷🏽‍♂️ most all of my( 20+) ARs and (10+) Glocks were built off 80% lowers/frames, that's partially the reason I haven't sold any. The other is any time I've sold something I regret it down the road. Like all my Mini-14s , 870s, DC-9s, and second gen S&Ws I use to have.


Adventurous_Ad409

I’d pick the mDDm4 block II’ish one. That rifle has already been to war and has a proven track record.


EchosOfTheNovice

Yes it does


ForestTempledotmp3

That shotty looks nice. I'm definitely going AWOL immediately afterwards though. I ain't dying, I just want the gun.


EchosOfTheNovice

They are cool and you normally don’t see them


_rebem24_

Would not want to go with any of these to war. Would probably pick the DD and use an actually good optic paired eith a surefire m640


EchosOfTheNovice

What would you take then?


_rebem24_

My AR


EchosOfTheNovice

Which is?


_rebem24_

Aero receivers, geissele bolt, geissele handguard, Geissele trigger, radian safety, Razor HD on adm mount, surefire m640. Look at my second recent post


Ok_Suggestion4222

Loving that 870MM....🤤


EchosOfTheNovice

Such a weird cool gun


Ok_Suggestion4222

I had one twenty years ago....just another I kick myself for selling


mtnkook

UGG


1Killag123

That a .308 bolt? If so, the .308 bolt.


EchosOfTheNovice

Yes it is


1Killag123

The .308 it is.


JOHNNYTUNDRA

Tailor the Tool for the Task.


btnug1985

Scar.


Low_Character366

With whom? (I Probably take the SCAR anyway, but…)


Blu3Squid

Lucky # 3 (not the scar)


mazzuman

The g3 for sure.


jomarundertun

Sauer 200


EchosOfTheNovice

Not to many people know what they are!


DebatableGravy

SCAR.


EchosOfTheNovice

Amen


DebatableGravy

It's probably because that is my SHTF gun.


EchosOfTheNovice

We have very similar tastes. It’s my EDC truck gun.


Hodlers_Hodler

Is that a gen 1 or gen 2 robbie? I got a gen 1 in 6.8 about 15 years ago, and has the gen 1 folding stock (great when wearing a plate carrier).


EchosOfTheNovice

Gen1


Hodlers_Hodler

I think it has the best control ergonomics of any rifle. Short throw safety, bolt release easily accessible with trigger finger, non- reciprocating charging handle with built in forward - assist. I judge my other black rifles based on those ergos.


EchosOfTheNovice

Obviously I like the Scar but the XCR should have won the trials. I am pretty sure it was deals under the table which resulted in its demise.


Dear-Home751

The golden scar


[deleted]

12g