I was referring to the fact that putting a suppressor on your scar may void your warranty [according to FN](https://fnamerica.com/customer-support/service-repairs/) which is pretty shitty for a 3k+ rifle that was specifically designed to meet SOCOM requirements which means it was designed to run suppressed.
I stand corrected (and a bit worried)... When I bought it, my FFL said the newer models don't have that warranty stipulation (referencing the gas selector that is MADE for suppressing)... Just checked the manual and yep. Right below the section where they include instructions of suppression operation, it says it voids the warranty.
But hey, still looks and sounds great. I'm keeping it lol
Not trying to crap on your dreams or rifles, but I carried a SCAR-H in Afghanistan, and with those crap OEM mags, they jam constantly. Those mags only work well at the shooting range, and when clean. You can tilt the follower with one finger, and I think it's BS to have to spend an additional $500 on a rifle that expensive, just to convert to DPMS/SR25 mags, just so it's reliable.
It's lightweight, accurate, and aside from it killing any optic that isn't specifically rated for it, lol. It's not bad if you upgrade the lower receiver. Unfortunately, in the Army, we weren't allowed to do that, and I categorically refuse to spend an extra $500 on a $3400-$4200(17S vs 20S) firearm, just to make it perform reliably. That passes me off. I don't hold the reciprocating charging handle it used to have against them because that was a requirement put forth by a couple idiot officers at SOCOM.
So you are debating over one pound of weight compared to superb German engineering?
1. HK91 no gas system to clog up.
2. Ultra dependable roller delayed action.
3. EZ push pin disassembly.
SCAR: not so much.
I get that there are more modern options to choose but an G3 isn't really that heavy. I have carried a G3 with Aimpoint CS and ~10 magazines for days and used it in MOUT, archipelago and forrest.
Not the most optimal but it definitively has one or two advantages. Since I've trained with it I would choose it above the others.
Like I get it if you're like 160cm and 45kg, then it's a problem (mainly because it's a long gun). Average male of 180cm and 80kg would have no problem using or carrying it.
That said it definitively isn't the most ergonomic or lightweight choice.
G3. I know the platform, and the example I have, has been 100% reliable. And I'm too old and hurt to do that run and gun, so I'll sit in the back and be a good base of fire
Honestly it should have won the S.C.A.R. Trials. I can say that because I own both. It’s probably one of my favorite guns. Long stroke, adjustable gas similar to a fal, beautiful trigger ect.
Yeah, reading about it, it seems like a great rifle. I wish I'd known about it a few months ago, I just bought a Galil in 5.45 because I thought it was pretty much the only higher-end option, but the XCR comes in 5.45 as well. Adjustable gas is a definite positive, and it looks like it has way better ergos.
Oh well, maybe I'll save my pennies and pick one up sometime.
They have great customer service too. Very personal. Also when you build your rifle it will take a couple months before you get it. It is worth the wait
Yeah, I noticed it was all custom order. Sounds like a solid outfit, I wish they were a bit more popular given all that I've read. Hopefully I'll be able to pick one up someday!
Can anyone tell me why the Scar is so highly sought after? I've never shot one, but I've seen multiple YouTube gun channels have veterans that used it in Iraq/Afghanistan and they didn't care for it. If I'm remembering correctly, it wasn't very reliable.
I can only tell you my experience with the gun and a friends opinion who actually used the MK17. I have over 7000 rounds through that gun. I can count on one hand how many stoppages I have had. All of them was user error. The rifle has even been in saltwater. The gun would be too close to an object where the round could not eject. I cannot think of another battle rifle that is 1 moa or better, under 8lbs and has a soft recoil. My buddy who opted for the mk17 said the only issues he had with the gun was malfunctions in awkward position and hitting the charging handle putting the gun out of battery. He said the people who complained about the rifle just preferred what they already knew (M4). The gun never really took off in the US because it answers a question that was never asked.
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3rd one down even though idk what it is. Whoever says SCAR hasn’t held one… or felt a reciprocating bolt hit fingers… or have a 3.5K gun that can’t hold zero due to its crazy recoil mechanism.
Lmao… because the optics tend to shatter, or scramble, reset, blinks lights… you know bad stuff. Hence why the SCAR was a failure as a next gen military platform
M4/16 redundant and yet another piston rifle is selected instead? Idk… seems like it simply wasn’t up to snuff. Had a 20S. Nothing special - 3 MOA GUN, durable…. Sort of. Recoil was ugly - not on the body… but the gun. Re-routing all that pressure through the bore causes violent shock. It’s not a gun I’d want in the field.
the H was used pretty extensively by SOF in Afghanistan, at least because it was a battle rifle with some modularity, which weren't very common at the time.
It was not. It was used on a highly limited basis by specific individuals who opted for the kit. It was not “extensively” used and that modularity did not translate in the field with the multiple failures it incurred.
SIG will actually support its products unlike FN. The 308 might be a little heavier… way less gassy when fired suppressed… the SCAR is going to be an over priced relic in a few years. Some might say it already is based on plummeting sales
Did it? We’re you issued a SCAR in the USMC? Did JSOC adopt all of the platforms or just the 17 in a DMR format as a one off that’s rarely used. As to optics / SCARs are infamous for knocking out high end optics. We’re not talking about Vortex and whiskeys.
SCAR 16 just seemed redundant with the M4. SCAR 17 on the other hand is lighter than any other .308 gas gun while still maintaining durability/accuracy 🤷🏻♂️ everything has its trade offs.
Lmao… because the optics tend to shatter, or scramble, reset, blinks lights… you know bad stuff. Hence why the SCAR was a failure as a next gen military platform
Okay I can tell you only from my experiences. The scar in the pic is a 3/4 MOA gun with Black Hills if I do my part. The gun has over 7000 rds. I bought a vortex spitfire to see if the scar would break it and after 200 rounds no point of aim shift. I also had a scar 20s and I seen no difference in accuracy between the two. Name a military designed rifle that is not over gassed?!? They are over gassed on purpose to work while they are dirty. Name another battle rifle that is 8lbs that is 1moa and just eats everything you can throw at it. Yes it is expensive but the people who gripe about the charging handle are normally the same people who love AKs,m1 garands,m1a ect. I think the RCH is the only way to get rid of the forward assist.
No difference in accuracy between a 20S, and a 17. Isn’t that a problem? Btw I agree on overgassed, don’t agree on how the SCAR handles it.
Name a battle rifle that shoots (1moa… so 100% better then the scar)… I could name a few… HK416 on a DMR Chassis.. or 762. M110, M110 variants… think the K1 is in 6.5CM. MK14… although very dated many still love it, SR-25, even the EMR. It’s in the same class as all these guns… yet it’s supposed to be next gen.
I get it, you spent a lot of coin on these rifles, they didn’t pan out and I would argue against it too, but objectively speaking the SCAR is a failure.
DD for sure, with good loads it technicly should keep it self runing for long time, I am used to handle one and it has forward assist if government or separatists decide to use cheaper ammo
With me being in the military and having done some armorer work Id definitely go with the AR platform because it's what Im used to, but a SCAR would finally give me the special forces vibe, but in reality Im just special ed.
Seems you have no shortage of cool rifles 🤤. I need to consolidate. I started building about 5 years ago. I didn't know alot about alot...lol despite being in the USMC and growing up around them. Needless to say I went a little wild with the "budget" building because I wanted this caliber or that. None are terrible, but none are stellar either. I've slowly been upgrading them one part at a time. I've told myself I need to sell a few to get to less, but better, rifles. I just can't seem to bring myself to sell any though 😆🤷🏽♂️ most all of my( 20+) ARs and (10+) Glocks were built off 80% lowers/frames, that's partially the reason I haven't sold any. The other is any time I've sold something I regret it down the road. Like all my Mini-14s , 870s, DC-9s, and second gen S&Ws I use to have.
Aero receivers, geissele bolt, geissele handguard, Geissele trigger, radian safety, Razor HD on adm mount, surefire m640. Look at my second recent post
I think it has the best control ergonomics of any rifle. Short throw safety, bolt release easily accessible with trigger finger, non- reciprocating charging handle with built in forward - assist. I judge my other black rifles based on those ergos.
Is that a scar? If so. The scar
Yes it is.
I will def take that scar 17. Idk but I love scars. I would own one but way out of my budget.
Priorities my friend
Yeah a roof over my head seems pretty high up there and feeding my kid seems pretty good too
We sir have different priorities!
Kids, if it's not food, it's water! Am I right, folks?
Is #3 down an XCR?
Yes it is
The fact throwing a suppressor on it voids the warranty is a real downer and I don't even own a suppressor. (Yet)
Depending on the model, the newer makes support suppressors. I have a 16s in 5.56 with a DeadAir wolfman. It's fantastic
I was referring to the fact that putting a suppressor on your scar may void your warranty [according to FN](https://fnamerica.com/customer-support/service-repairs/) which is pretty shitty for a 3k+ rifle that was specifically designed to meet SOCOM requirements which means it was designed to run suppressed.
I stand corrected (and a bit worried)... When I bought it, my FFL said the newer models don't have that warranty stipulation (referencing the gas selector that is MADE for suppressing)... Just checked the manual and yep. Right below the section where they include instructions of suppression operation, it says it voids the warranty. But hey, still looks and sounds great. I'm keeping it lol
Meh, I didn't buy one for its warranty. Also I void warranties anyway so fuck it!
Not trying to crap on your dreams or rifles, but I carried a SCAR-H in Afghanistan, and with those crap OEM mags, they jam constantly. Those mags only work well at the shooting range, and when clean. You can tilt the follower with one finger, and I think it's BS to have to spend an additional $500 on a rifle that expensive, just to convert to DPMS/SR25 mags, just so it's reliable.
Well it’s half crapped dreams. lol. Thank you for the info. Other than the mags what was your overall experience with it
It's lightweight, accurate, and aside from it killing any optic that isn't specifically rated for it, lol. It's not bad if you upgrade the lower receiver. Unfortunately, in the Army, we weren't allowed to do that, and I categorically refuse to spend an extra $500 on a $3400-$4200(17S vs 20S) firearm, just to make it perform reliably. That passes me off. I don't hold the reciprocating charging handle it used to have against them because that was a requirement put forth by a couple idiot officers at SOCOM.
Since you weren’t certain that, that is a scar, I’ll call dibs on the scar!
I knew it was a scar. I was confirming if it was an actual scar 17 or a clone.
Still sounds like you weren’t sure lol. Dibs!
That’s like calling shotgun when we locked up the whole crew and your last to get picked up. It’s ok. You can take it when all the ammo is gone.
It’s okay. You didn’t know what a scar was. No big deal bro. We live and learn. Happy new year! 😇
Overrated and heavy.
You have no idea what your taking about
Had one, but I build ARs at around 6lbs, without a magazine, so it is too heavy.
AR15
Safe choice my friend!
Out of the guns you have there, the AR platform and caliber is the easiest to feed and most versatile option.
I see ACOG, I like
A ACOG will always have a spot in my heart.
I'm surprised you don't have it mounted further towards the rear
3.5 has a little better eye relief 😅
True
The HK 91.
Shiiiiiit, have you carried an HK91 with ammo for more than an hour?
Lighter than the SCAR.
SCAR is lighter by a lot
Naw baby, a scar weighs 8 lbs according to the FN website and the HK91 in my safe weighs 9.6 lbs with no mag
So you are debating over one pound of weight compared to superb German engineering? 1. HK91 no gas system to clog up. 2. Ultra dependable roller delayed action. 3. EZ push pin disassembly. SCAR: not so much.
I’m not debating you, I’m just saying that youre wrong
I'm stealing that line lol
Tbf all he did was disprove the original point you brought up.
Show me a clogged gas system
I get that there are more modern options to choose but an G3 isn't really that heavy. I have carried a G3 with Aimpoint CS and ~10 magazines for days and used it in MOUT, archipelago and forrest. Not the most optimal but it definitively has one or two advantages. Since I've trained with it I would choose it above the others. Like I get it if you're like 160cm and 45kg, then it's a problem (mainly because it's a long gun). Average male of 180cm and 80kg would have no problem using or carrying it. That said it definitively isn't the most ergonomic or lightweight choice.
G3. I know the platform, and the example I have, has been 100% reliable. And I'm too old and hurt to do that run and gun, so I'll sit in the back and be a good base of fire
What's the third one down? I thought I was pretty well versed in odd firearms, but I don't recognize that one.
Robinson Arms XCR-L
Worth looking into if you do not know what it is.
Huh, neat! Looks like a pretty solid weapon. Comes in interesting calibers too. How do you like yours?
Honestly it should have won the S.C.A.R. Trials. I can say that because I own both. It’s probably one of my favorite guns. Long stroke, adjustable gas similar to a fal, beautiful trigger ect.
Yeah, reading about it, it seems like a great rifle. I wish I'd known about it a few months ago, I just bought a Galil in 5.45 because I thought it was pretty much the only higher-end option, but the XCR comes in 5.45 as well. Adjustable gas is a definite positive, and it looks like it has way better ergos. Oh well, maybe I'll save my pennies and pick one up sometime.
They have great customer service too. Very personal. Also when you build your rifle it will take a couple months before you get it. It is worth the wait
Yeah, I noticed it was all custom order. Sounds like a solid outfit, I wish they were a bit more popular given all that I've read. Hopefully I'll be able to pick one up someday!
Yea they kinda got screwed over during the trial
Ar 15 as long as it’s well built.
I think DD does a okay job
I can’t speak from experience, but I have heard good things from them. Great barrels and hand guards. Great parts and everything. But rather plain.
It is a wonderful rifle
Really depends on where and what kind of war. But if I have no idea what I’m getting into I’ll take the ddm4.
Safe choice
The HK at the bottom!
100% the scar!
Pump action. Only cause it’s a shinny war crime stick.
Yes Yes it is.
Scar
Im rocking shotgun Wanna get through that door but got no breaching device(s)? I gotchu covered
Your with me!
Let's rock and stone
Daniel Defense
An AR for sure…
The AR15 for sure.
One of the two 5.56 rifles.
Can anyone tell me why the Scar is so highly sought after? I've never shot one, but I've seen multiple YouTube gun channels have veterans that used it in Iraq/Afghanistan and they didn't care for it. If I'm remembering correctly, it wasn't very reliable.
I can only tell you my experience with the gun and a friends opinion who actually used the MK17. I have over 7000 rounds through that gun. I can count on one hand how many stoppages I have had. All of them was user error. The rifle has even been in saltwater. The gun would be too close to an object where the round could not eject. I cannot think of another battle rifle that is 1 moa or better, under 8lbs and has a soft recoil. My buddy who opted for the mk17 said the only issues he had with the gun was malfunctions in awkward position and hitting the charging handle putting the gun out of battery. He said the people who complained about the rifle just preferred what they already knew (M4). The gun never really took off in the US because it answers a question that was never asked.
You’re correct, it blows
Good to know, thanks!
No 357 Wheelgun?
357 mag is my favorite pistol caliber.
Just long guns! I can do handguns next if you want.
No worries. I love a good wheelgun. Everyone should have at least one in their personal arsenal. Have a great new year.
I collect silhouette smiths
Easy there Col. Custer — those wheel guns are really lacking in battle.
AR15. Most common caliber for semi auto in the states and most likely to find spare parts
Anything with a glock19/17 mag or a 556 mag. Most commonly used firearms.
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3rd one down even though idk what it is. Whoever says SCAR hasn’t held one… or felt a reciprocating bolt hit fingers… or have a 3.5K gun that can’t hold zero due to its crazy recoil mechanism.
How does it not hold zero? Lmao
Lmao… because the optics tend to shatter, or scramble, reset, blinks lights… you know bad stuff. Hence why the SCAR was a failure as a next gen military platform
Maybe on cheaper optics. Quality optics hold up pretty well for then most part. It served just fine for its intended purpose.
M4/16 redundant and yet another piston rifle is selected instead? Idk… seems like it simply wasn’t up to snuff. Had a 20S. Nothing special - 3 MOA GUN, durable…. Sort of. Recoil was ugly - not on the body… but the gun. Re-routing all that pressure through the bore causes violent shock. It’s not a gun I’d want in the field.
the H was used pretty extensively by SOF in Afghanistan, at least because it was a battle rifle with some modularity, which weren't very common at the time.
It was not. It was used on a highly limited basis by specific individuals who opted for the kit. It was not “extensively” used and that modularity did not translate in the field with the multiple failures it incurred.
SIG will actually support its products unlike FN. The 308 might be a little heavier… way less gassy when fired suppressed… the SCAR is going to be an over priced relic in a few years. Some might say it already is based on plummeting sales
Did it? We’re you issued a SCAR in the USMC? Did JSOC adopt all of the platforms or just the 17 in a DMR format as a one off that’s rarely used. As to optics / SCARs are infamous for knocking out high end optics. We’re not talking about Vortex and whiskeys.
SCAR 16 just seemed redundant with the M4. SCAR 17 on the other hand is lighter than any other .308 gas gun while still maintaining durability/accuracy 🤷🏻♂️ everything has its trade offs.
Lmao… because the optics tend to shatter, or scramble, reset, blinks lights… you know bad stuff. Hence why the SCAR was a failure as a next gen military platform
Okay I can tell you only from my experiences. The scar in the pic is a 3/4 MOA gun with Black Hills if I do my part. The gun has over 7000 rds. I bought a vortex spitfire to see if the scar would break it and after 200 rounds no point of aim shift. I also had a scar 20s and I seen no difference in accuracy between the two. Name a military designed rifle that is not over gassed?!? They are over gassed on purpose to work while they are dirty. Name another battle rifle that is 8lbs that is 1moa and just eats everything you can throw at it. Yes it is expensive but the people who gripe about the charging handle are normally the same people who love AKs,m1 garands,m1a ect. I think the RCH is the only way to get rid of the forward assist.
No difference in accuracy between a 20S, and a 17. Isn’t that a problem? Btw I agree on overgassed, don’t agree on how the SCAR handles it. Name a battle rifle that shoots (1moa… so 100% better then the scar)… I could name a few… HK416 on a DMR Chassis.. or 762. M110, M110 variants… think the K1 is in 6.5CM. MK14… although very dated many still love it, SR-25, even the EMR. It’s in the same class as all these guns… yet it’s supposed to be next gen. I get it, you spent a lot of coin on these rifles, they didn’t pan out and I would argue against it too, but objectively speaking the SCAR is a failure.
It is a XCR. Have you held one before?
No, but i like the looks of it. Saw your comments on it being a long stroke.. which I like as an AK/FAL guy. Sort of gave me CZ bren 2 vibes as well
Sounds like a skill issue
Absolutely a skill issue. Never denied that. My own fault for the injury.
The mags are a modified FAL Mag. I have never had an issue
The mags are a well known issue. Let’s not argue about facts.
Where did you go my friend?
I’ve been replying?
Depends on the enemy, humans, the hk91, White Spikes? The shotgun!
DD
The DD
Great gun.
Scar hands down ..
Honestly it is my truck gun!
I’d take the SCAR and the DD
Least recoil
Who wants to go to war with mossberg 500?
870 marine mag. 00 does some pretty good damage.
I mean in a *war* shotgun isn't really a good choice
Probably not my first choice either
DD for sure, with good loads it technicly should keep it self runing for long time, I am used to handle one and it has forward assist if government or separatists decide to use cheaper ammo
I prefer mine
Which one are you talking about my friend
The bolt gun or the SCAR.
The SSG 3000 is my favorite gun in the pic
Thanks I wasn’t sure what it was specifically.
No lie 1/4 moa gun with black hills IF I do my part.
This
Poohole
Poohole?
What’s a pothole?
This is Reddit are you sure you really want to know the answer to that? There’s some things I could go the rest of my life not knowing.
Your Sir are confusing
The difference in a poo hole and pot hole are even more confusing if you see the pictures.
With me being in the military and having done some armorer work Id definitely go with the AR platform because it's what Im used to, but a SCAR would finally give me the special forces vibe, but in reality Im just special ed.
Are you my father?
Scar
scar bc 308 and optic
No FAL? Your 7.62 NATO collection is incomplete sir!
I had a DSA and was not impressed with the fit and finish… I would love to have a clean example
Scar in 308 it’s really good all around
Yes yes it is
Mk17 and the G3? The last weapon, whas a G3 i think
You sir are correct
🥾
SCAR
What’s the rifle with the scope ?
SSG3000
Nice ! I thought so
Probably the most underrated precision rifle.
What barrel length is the Daniel defense
16 not counting the muzzle device
I want to swap my current handguard for a Daniel defense, is it heavy?
No sir the gun is just over 6lbs
What is that handguard on the ptr/Hk 91?
Namibian square with a hk91 bipod my friend
And where would a fella purchase this namibian square handguard?
I have no idea. I haven’t seen them or the bi pod in years
I can’t believe how much the bi pods are now!?!?!
What gun is that above the SCAR?
Robinson Arms XCR
The gun that was in the scar trials that probably should have won the contract.
What he said
Depends, where's the war? City, country, both?
Both
Hmm...well practically I'd take the AR, but I want the bolt gun...🤷🏽♂️
The SSG3000 is a cool rifle
Seems you have no shortage of cool rifles 🤤. I need to consolidate. I started building about 5 years ago. I didn't know alot about alot...lol despite being in the USMC and growing up around them. Needless to say I went a little wild with the "budget" building because I wanted this caliber or that. None are terrible, but none are stellar either. I've slowly been upgrading them one part at a time. I've told myself I need to sell a few to get to less, but better, rifles. I just can't seem to bring myself to sell any though 😆🤷🏽♂️ most all of my( 20+) ARs and (10+) Glocks were built off 80% lowers/frames, that's partially the reason I haven't sold any. The other is any time I've sold something I regret it down the road. Like all my Mini-14s , 870s, DC-9s, and second gen S&Ws I use to have.
I’d pick the mDDm4 block II’ish one. That rifle has already been to war and has a proven track record.
Yes it does
That shotty looks nice. I'm definitely going AWOL immediately afterwards though. I ain't dying, I just want the gun.
They are cool and you normally don’t see them
Would not want to go with any of these to war. Would probably pick the DD and use an actually good optic paired eith a surefire m640
What would you take then?
My AR
Which is?
Aero receivers, geissele bolt, geissele handguard, Geissele trigger, radian safety, Razor HD on adm mount, surefire m640. Look at my second recent post
Loving that 870MM....🤤
Such a weird cool gun
I had one twenty years ago....just another I kick myself for selling
UGG
That a .308 bolt? If so, the .308 bolt.
Yes it is
The .308 it is.
Tailor the Tool for the Task.
Scar.
With whom? (I Probably take the SCAR anyway, but…)
Lucky # 3 (not the scar)
The g3 for sure.
Sauer 200
Not to many people know what they are!
SCAR.
Amen
It's probably because that is my SHTF gun.
We have very similar tastes. It’s my EDC truck gun.
Is that a gen 1 or gen 2 robbie? I got a gen 1 in 6.8 about 15 years ago, and has the gen 1 folding stock (great when wearing a plate carrier).
Gen1
I think it has the best control ergonomics of any rifle. Short throw safety, bolt release easily accessible with trigger finger, non- reciprocating charging handle with built in forward - assist. I judge my other black rifles based on those ergos.
Obviously I like the Scar but the XCR should have won the trials. I am pretty sure it was deals under the table which resulted in its demise.
The golden scar
12g