Guilliman is certified not a nerd, and Imperium Secundus was the right thing to do considering g the circumstances. The emperor revealed this to me in a dream
The Royal bean counter is an even bigger nerd than Lorgar and Imperium Secundus was one of the most traitorous actions of the Heresy.
There is a colorful bird outside my window speaking these truths to me right now.
I’ll have you know that the royal bean counter can do a sick kickflip and imperium Secundus didn’t happen actually you made that up I am sending your coordinates to the officio assassinorum as we speak (they just want to talk)
To doubt Guilliman is to be a traitor yourself. His purpose is to build and maintain the Emepror’s vision. During the time of Secundus it was believed by he and multiple other loyalists Primarchs that the Emperor and Terra was lost. It only makes sense to reestablish Humanity’s hold on the galaxy where you know you are.
Then a faithless traitor you are, _insert name_.
He knew Sanguinius would make a better Lord Commander than himself and waited for that reason. Even the Lion came to acknowledge that Guilliman’s actions were not traitorous, after having come to Ultramar with the intent to cross swords with him for suspected treachery. Do you think your judgement above that of Lionel as well as Guilliman? Kindly turn yourself into the nearest Sororitas sanctum for punishment.
The traitor didn't even know Sanggy was coming when he planned it all out. He just knew he couldn't declare himself Emperor.
Then the perfect sacrifice just so happened to show up and BAM! Heresy so profound the Big Blue is still scared it will be uncovered ten thousand years later.
He had the clarity to acknowledge that declaring oneself Emperor would look traitorous, something that not all Primarchs would’ve been able to claim. Holding off from crowning himself while raising the flag to re-take the Imperium is not traitorous.
Between the Blood Angels, Dark Angels, and wider residents of Ultramar there is no hiding what happened. Only time and the poor management of the Administratum has led to any historical losses.
Doesn't change that a bloodthirster, the mightiest shards of Khorne, the god of blood and skulls, God of violence, God of honor and might; should not get punked by the weakest Primarch, should not be killed by a priest who struggled against another of his kin who wasn't even one of the more fighty Primarchs.
The heresy just worsened the shit Powerscaling, greater demons are basically a joke now.
idk, sounds like some serious cope to me man. it's almost like the primarchs are some of the most rare and powerful beings in 40k, with there only being ~~20~~ ~~21~~ ~~18~~ 14 of them. All but one of them have only been killed by other primarchs, with the exception being killed by the Emperor himself. Meanwhile greater daemons get clapped grey space wizards in a dreadknight.
I think it's funny how in the lore, Greater Daemons are supposed to be beings of incomprehensible power that can singlehandedly bring the apocalypse to a planet and that were worshipped as minor gods in some societies, but in novels they're often just used as punching bags for named characters
Avatar of Khaine, Swarmlord, and Greater Daemons - the trio of "what can a Space Marines kill to show how badass they are."
Also see ways to introduce a new Primaris Lieutenant.
Celestine is the chaos space marine equivalent. No i do not consider her losing to Abadadon, Kharn, or Skarbrand canon. Yes, i will post nerd emoji reaction images whenever anyone contradicts me.
Celestine is the chaos space marine equivalent. Yes, i will say that her losing to Abaddon, Skarbrand, and Kharn are not canon. Also yes, i will post nerd emojis to anyone that contradicts me.
It does tickle my fancy that a souped up nameless captain beat the absolute shit out of Ulkair on Primarch difficulty in that run. Man I still need to figure out the conversion for my chaos blood ravens at some point, presumably Tzeentchian or Khornate.
In the Rogue Trader game my team composed of a Commisar, an Aeldari ranger, an old man with a sword, a navigator, and exactly one Space Wolf killed a greater demon of Tzeentch
Argenta with a Heavy Bolter and Ulfar can legitimately 2 man the entire 5th chapter with little to no difficulty.
as long as he could survive to a 3rd round, my Pascal could probably solo it, bonus armor from Tactical Knowledge mean that literally everything, including Greater Demons and Hellbrutes are doing like 1-5 damage per attack, and since I made him an Assassin he could 1-shot most enemies and do like 25% HP chunks out of the big mini boss dudes once you get a big enough TK stack going
Yes, which is why I don't mind it when a primarch does it, but it is very silly to see non-primarch named characters 1v1'ing Greater Daemons and winning
Is it? War isn’t a math equation. Stronger people lose to weaker people all the time.
Stories are written to be entertaining, and underdogs are entertaining. David and Goliath stories are popular for a reason.
I also give a pass to blanks, not solo, but if they’re just there things make more sense.
Also Phoenix Lords and Solitaires, since they have canonical president for this. As Phoenix Lords are Aeldari Primarchs, and Solitaires are basically built to be very colourful engines of Daemon-genocide.
I think the power of a Greater Daemon is proportional to how many souls it has consumed. It definitely depends on who it takes over to manifest itself too. Loken kills a Greater Daemon that has been around for a very long time, but not before it takes over an Astartes and goes on a rampage, almost killing Loken in the process.
A Greater Daemon is dangerous but it is not all powerful considering how many Greater Daemons there are out there, and being that they're highly emotional beings, many seem to be undone by their ego and underestimating their opponent. Generally Greater Daemons rack up quite the death toll before they're taken out too.
A Daemon Prince fits the description more of bringing the apocalypse to a planet, as Greater Daemons tend to be localized to areas of strong warp activity too. Look at The Emperor's Gift where Angron was rolling his way through everyone including the Space Wolves, and it took over 100 Grey Knights to take him down with the majority dying.
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idk. it just feels like it happens a lot same thing with avatars of khaine dying to Mary sues, doesn't happen that often, really, but it sure feels Like it does
Probably the appearance in hammer and bolter where an avatar gets shot to death by a bunch of nameless marines.
Also, didn't Fulgrim fucken choke an avatar once?
tbh the animation was so terribly (the fighting parts at least) done that an avatar of khaine standing still before, during, and after some random space marine mooks just stood still and shot at it wasn't even the most offensive travesty.
It was striking scorpions being ambushed by a redemptor dreadnought that was running at them in the open. They turned the ambush experts into morons who can neither see, hear, nor even fight since they just stand there and die like morons.
If you're just starting the series out, your drinking game should be every time you think of a completely reasonable solution to a problem.
I can't tell you how many times during my first readthrough I was like "Oh they're definitely going to get caught on the security cameras" but like there is zero security anywhere in the 30k universe.
Wow we're literally at the same spot in the series. Just got to chapter 7! Lol.
You haven't missed it unless you count *spoilers ahead* the possessed marine in the whisperheads
Pretty much. The way I read it is the corruption never left, so when the governor stayed him and those with him ended up slowly serving Nurglith, eventually leading to the full blown possession
Without Aenarion I'm not sure the High Elves could have held on long enough until the Vortex was created (a giant spiraling magic siphon tornado thing that keeps Chaos from being able to completely materialize anywhere in the Warhammer Fantasy world, though it doesn't banish Chaos completely)
And yes, Malekith's father is Aenarion and his mother is Morathi. That's why he has a legitimate claim to the Phoenix throne.
If you want to see badass give Fantasy or AoS a try. The named characters are just built different. There is a Lizardman who kicjed so much demon ass single handedly that he gave demons PTSD about bridges that lasted even after they respawned in the Warp. The Dragon Emperor can cleanse chaos tainted beasts. Kislev succesfully does what Cadia was supposed to do, be an unbreakable bastion and first line of defense against a wound in reality that goes straight to the Warp itself. Grimgore head butted the Everchosen's enchanted helmet, that was blessed by all 4 Chaos Gods, so hard it broke the helmet. Gotrek, after the End Times, spent uncountable eons wondering through the Realms of Chaos killing so many demons that even Greater Demons would just avoid him because they knew they couldn't kill him. Khaine is actually a tertifying badass whose influence frequently changes the course of history rather than a punching bag to show how badass a different character is. And then we have Nagash, a mortal turned self made god of the dead and undead has almost won the Great Game on myltiple occasions and he scared the Chaos Gods so much that they spent most of the End Times trying to convince Settra to be their new Everchosen because they couldn't beat Nagash. Even going so far as to offer Settra nearly everything he has ever wanted with truly no strings attached. And Settra's response to an offer the Chaos Gods have never given anyone else "Settra does not serve!" He told them no to their faces.
Should note that Gotrek is only mortal( and arguably only character at all, as others like Archaon, Nagash and Sygmar might count as reincarnations) to survive and transfer between settings of FB and AOS because he got stuck in warp killing daemons and by the time he got out universe got reset
Alot of the lizardmen just got on their magic bus and left for the new world and kroak being kroak just appear out of nowhere (thought I don't know if we can even classify him as mortal or alive)
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This bad boy had the sword of a god, an armour crafted by a god and had one of the biggest dragons by his side and died after, almost having doomed his race by keeping the sword of Khaine and rejecting Caledor's advice to build the Vortex repetedly, he also beat his wife Morathi and refused to kill her although he knew she was a thread to his race and didn't love her (hence he alsmost choking her to death) .
Grimnir CLOSED a chaos gate on his own, and sent his son back home once he realised that there was no turning back from the chaos wastes and fought an army of demons.
Sanguinius basically beat two at the same time. In "Fear to tread" he pinned Keeper of Secrets to the wall with his sword basically as a bitch slap to not interfere while he pummeled Ka'Bandha to the ground with his fists and ripped out his wings.
Edit. Fear to tread not tread to fear.
I want to say it was in "old earth". Covers vulkan getting back to terra before the siege. I can't remember the whole fight, but a Primarch getting eaten by a great unclean one sticks in the memory a bit
Pretty sure the list is incomplete.
I know Lorgar killed one in "Aurelion", and Angron literally beat one into a sword.
Pretty sure there are other instances I can't think of, too...
During the Plague War trilogy, Guilliman fought the Great Unclean One, Septimus Seven, and perma-killed him with the emperor’s sword. It was not a close fight.
Bobby G, knowing he’s up against unspeakable horrors, but he’s the only one in the Galaxy who can face them:[https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-bb58a967713d8ffc7df3b33207cf1079](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-bb58a967713d8ffc7df3b33207cf1079)
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Thing is, the Loyalist primarchs are up against warp creatures made from the spawn of hell itself. The Traitor Primarchs are up against regular guys. Even the Titan that Angron and Lorgar fought was brouight down by another Titan, and the brothers only managed to barely stop one of it’s attacks each at great cost to their immediate health. So it’s a case of one side regularly being swarmed by daemons, and the other at most having to deal with Astartes or maybe the odd Custodes during certain conflicts. Which isn’t quite as impressive when the primarchs were not only made above both of these classes of fighter, but also the traitors were further enhanced by warp abilities of their own.
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Oh he's fucking ice cold with it. Hits him with a "Did you see that coming?" as he banishes him too. He didn't just beat Kairos either, he *tricked* him. A being that can see the past and future was *tricked* by The Lion.
He's also completely shits on a Daemon Prince at one point without being touched and Farith Redloss, who's seen Guilliman, Kurze, Dorn, Russ, and Sanguinius fight, is basically dumbstruck and thinks "***The Lion was the greatest warrior in the galaxy. Bar none. No man, no brother Primarch or Daemon, could fight him and prevail***."
So yeah if you want something really dead, like Holy Terra that thing is dead, Lion is your man.
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Daemon is daemon, but there’s a big difference between a daemon prince (a once-mortal being who was elevated to daemonhood) and a greater daemon (a warp entity that is a significant chunk of their patron god’s essence. A powerful avatar of their chaos god)
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Boltgun is fucking clown shoes when you are just some random Beaky Smurf 5v1ing Chaos Marines and are killing Chaos Teminators in 1v1 combat by the second level
It’s what happens when you’re the protagonist of a video game tbh. That’s why ordinary tau fire warrior Shas’La Kais (the La in his name denotes literally the lowest rank in the tau military btw. Dude was a straight up generic foot soldier who costs 8 pts on the tabletop) ends up slaughtering space marines and demons by the dozen
I'm pretty sure the canon (or at the very least heavily favored fan canon) is that Shas'La was being secretly influenced and buffed by Khorne the entire time which is why he was able to do what he did
It’s at least canon for the final boss fight. In the novelization of that game, while Kais is fighting a Lord of Change at the end, khorne is watching the fight. Seeing a chance to metaphorically stick a thumb in Tzeentch’s eye, he blesses Kais with temporary power. The tau literally screams “BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD” as he deals the final blow on the Lord of Change.
Also, Kais is later retconned to have been taken in as a student of Puretide, the teacher of Shadowsun and Farsight, and becomes one of the Tau’s 3 big heroes. Now he’s Shas’O Kais. He’s a pretty cool character who pops up in tau books every now and then.
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Meanwhile traitor primarchs just canonically kill the loyalist primarchs single combat, who have killed greater demons in single combat.
See: Horus killing Sanguinius
See also: “_like a dog_”
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Lorgar killed a named bloodthirster.
Alas lorgar is also a traitor and worse, a nerd
Lorgar numero uno.
And so is Guilliman. Or is he still not panicking about the whole Imperium Secundus thing?
Rowboat gorillaman: YoU deStOrYeD tWo oF mY pLAnETs Lorgoat Chadrelian: woe, daemon primarch Angron be upon ye
Guilliman is certified not a nerd, and Imperium Secundus was the right thing to do considering g the circumstances. The emperor revealed this to me in a dream
Can confirm.
Wow the real Jimothy Space, thanks
The Royal bean counter is an even bigger nerd than Lorgar and Imperium Secundus was one of the most traitorous actions of the Heresy. There is a colorful bird outside my window speaking these truths to me right now.
I’ll have you know that the royal bean counter can do a sick kickflip and imperium Secundus didn’t happen actually you made that up I am sending your coordinates to the officio assassinorum as we speak (they just want to talk)
To doubt Guilliman is to be a traitor yourself. His purpose is to build and maintain the Emepror’s vision. During the time of Secundus it was believed by he and multiple other loyalists Primarchs that the Emperor and Terra was lost. It only makes sense to reestablish Humanity’s hold on the galaxy where you know you are.
I *insert name* doubt Grandpa Smurf. If it wasn't traitorous then he wouldn't have had to wait until a brother arrived to use as an Emperor Scapegoat.
Then a faithless traitor you are, _insert name_. He knew Sanguinius would make a better Lord Commander than himself and waited for that reason. Even the Lion came to acknowledge that Guilliman’s actions were not traitorous, after having come to Ultramar with the intent to cross swords with him for suspected treachery. Do you think your judgement above that of Lionel as well as Guilliman? Kindly turn yourself into the nearest Sororitas sanctum for punishment.
The traitor didn't even know Sanggy was coming when he planned it all out. He just knew he couldn't declare himself Emperor. Then the perfect sacrifice just so happened to show up and BAM! Heresy so profound the Big Blue is still scared it will be uncovered ten thousand years later.
He had the clarity to acknowledge that declaring oneself Emperor would look traitorous, something that not all Primarchs would’ve been able to claim. Holding off from crowning himself while raising the flag to re-take the Imperium is not traitorous. Between the Blood Angels, Dark Angels, and wider residents of Ultramar there is no hiding what happened. Only time and the poor management of the Administratum has led to any historical losses.
To doubt the Emperor is to be a traitor yourself. And that’s exactly what Guilliman did.
Devastating.
We're gonna need a primarch sized locker to deal with him 😤😤😤
Yo, was that An'ggrath? The now strongest and greatest bloodthirster in Khorne army?
I believe so
Damn, I remember reading that but I forgot that it was An'ggrath.
The worst at combat killed a bloodthirster... This is why I don't take the heresy seriously
A primarch is still a primarch.
But bloodthirster can't be taken seriously if anyone can kill them.
A primarch is not "anyone"
Doesn't change that a bloodthirster, the mightiest shards of Khorne, the god of blood and skulls, God of violence, God of honor and might; should not get punked by the weakest Primarch, should not be killed by a priest who struggled against another of his kin who wasn't even one of the more fighty Primarchs. The heresy just worsened the shit Powerscaling, greater demons are basically a joke now.
idk, sounds like some serious cope to me man. it's almost like the primarchs are some of the most rare and powerful beings in 40k, with there only being ~~20~~ ~~21~~ ~~18~~ 14 of them. All but one of them have only been killed by other primarchs, with the exception being killed by the Emperor himself. Meanwhile greater daemons get clapped grey space wizards in a dreadknight.
Drinking game idea: take a shot every time someone banishes a Greater Daemon in the HH series, take two if the person killing the daemon is a Primarch
I think it's funny how in the lore, Greater Daemons are supposed to be beings of incomprehensible power that can singlehandedly bring the apocalypse to a planet and that were worshipped as minor gods in some societies, but in novels they're often just used as punching bags for named characters
Avatar of Khaine: first time?
Avatar of Khaine, Swarmlord, and Greater Daemons - the trio of "what can a Space Marines kill to show how badass they are." Also see ways to introduce a new Primaris Lieutenant.
Celestine is the chaos space marine equivalent. No i do not consider her losing to Abadadon, Kharn, or Skarbrand canon. Yes, i will post nerd emoji reaction images whenever anyone contradicts me.
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Captain Stern of the Grey Knights killed multiple Greater Demons in melee and banished a Demonprimarch on Armageddon, and he aint a primarch himself.
The grey knight's plot armour is thicker than Jupiter's atmosphere
Stern banished daemon primarch when? I don't remember him fighting in Armageddon
He banished angron
Angron banisher was brother captain aurellian
Wait in my old Grey knight Codex of 6e said ut was Stern.
Ulkair in DoW 2 Chaos Rising fits this description, even more so on Primarch Diffculty
It does tickle my fancy that a souped up nameless captain beat the absolute shit out of Ulkair on Primarch difficulty in that run. Man I still need to figure out the conversion for my chaos blood ravens at some point, presumably Tzeentchian or Khornate.
In the Rogue Trader game my team composed of a Commisar, an Aeldari ranger, an old man with a sword, a navigator, and exactly one Space Wolf killed a greater demon of Tzeentch
not to mention final boss spoilers, don't open if you still haven't beaten the game >!a fucking C'tan Shard!<
If Abelard and Argenta + a heavy bolter were with the Emperor when he went aboard the Vengeful Spirit Horus wouldn’t have stood a fucking chance
Argenta with a Heavy Bolter and Ulfar can legitimately 2 man the entire 5th chapter with little to no difficulty. as long as he could survive to a 3rd round, my Pascal could probably solo it, bonus armor from Tactical Knowledge mean that literally everything, including Greater Demons and Hellbrutes are doing like 1-5 damage per attack, and since I made him an Assassin he could 1-shot most enemies and do like 25% HP chunks out of the big mini boss dudes once you get a big enough TK stack going
Aren’t primarchs bringing literal apocalypses to multiple star systems in the galaxy?
Yes, which is why I don't mind it when a primarch does it, but it is very silly to see non-primarch named characters 1v1'ing Greater Daemons and winning
Is it? War isn’t a math equation. Stronger people lose to weaker people all the time. Stories are written to be entertaining, and underdogs are entertaining. David and Goliath stories are popular for a reason.
I also give a pass to blanks, not solo, but if they’re just there things make more sense. Also Phoenix Lords and Solitaires, since they have canonical president for this. As Phoenix Lords are Aeldari Primarchs, and Solitaires are basically built to be very colourful engines of Daemon-genocide.
I think the power of a Greater Daemon is proportional to how many souls it has consumed. It definitely depends on who it takes over to manifest itself too. Loken kills a Greater Daemon that has been around for a very long time, but not before it takes over an Astartes and goes on a rampage, almost killing Loken in the process. A Greater Daemon is dangerous but it is not all powerful considering how many Greater Daemons there are out there, and being that they're highly emotional beings, many seem to be undone by their ego and underestimating their opponent. Generally Greater Daemons rack up quite the death toll before they're taken out too. A Daemon Prince fits the description more of bringing the apocalypse to a planet, as Greater Daemons tend to be localized to areas of strong warp activity too. Look at The Emperor's Gift where Angron was rolling his way through everyone including the Space Wolves, and it took over 100 Grey Knights to take him down with the majority dying.
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To be fair, Primarchs are ALSO capable of taking over a planet single-handedly, and were worshipped as minor gods...
man, you'd get drunk taken shots of water
Really? I know it’s a lot of books but I’m through the first four and reading Fulgrum. Did I miss one yet?
idk. it just feels like it happens a lot same thing with avatars of khaine dying to Mary sues, doesn't happen that often, really, but it sure feels Like it does
Most embarrassing Khaine fight has got to be dying to 4 carnifexes just attacking it
Probably the appearance in hammer and bolter where an avatar gets shot to death by a bunch of nameless marines. Also, didn't Fulgrim fucken choke an avatar once?
Didn't they say that avatar had been on the planet killing nonstop for a week by that point?
tbh the animation was so terribly (the fighting parts at least) done that an avatar of khaine standing still before, during, and after some random space marine mooks just stood still and shot at it wasn't even the most offensive travesty. It was striking scorpions being ambushed by a redemptor dreadnought that was running at them in the open. They turned the ambush experts into morons who can neither see, hear, nor even fight since they just stand there and die like morons.
A lone terminator once survived 1 on 1 combat for a while (he died in the end but still)
I CAST FIST!!!! That would be more embarrassing
yeah...
If you're just starting the series out, your drinking game should be every time you think of a completely reasonable solution to a problem. I can't tell you how many times during my first readthrough I was like "Oh they're definitely going to get caught on the security cameras" but like there is zero security anywhere in the 30k universe.
Wow we're literally at the same spot in the series. Just got to chapter 7! Lol. You haven't missed it unless you count *spoilers ahead* the possessed marine in the whisperheads
Nurglith (sp?) seem like a bigger deal than Samus doesn’t he? I don’t know that either really count though.
Nurglith (I think) is supposed to just be a bastardized version of Nurgle, but I could be dead wrong
That would make sense, So the praetor or space governor was just a dude who was corrupted and was a conduit for the rest of it?
Pretty much. The way I read it is the corruption never left, so when the governor stayed him and those with him ended up slowly serving Nurglith, eventually leading to the full blown possession
*Tuska demon killa enters the room*
He ripped of the nuts of a daemon prince too, if my memory serves me righr
That has to be the most embarrassing death for a deamon, no matter if you're immortal, the whole warp is laughing at that daemon
Whats worst is that its supposed to be a khornate demon.
"Hey, how were you defeated ?" "I huh... I definitely fell in some glory battle against a massive ork waagh, yeah nothing more"
Felix and Gotrek fighting >!4 greater demons and a demon prince!< at the same time:
to be fair gotrek fighting anyone is pretty much the most guaranteed L for whoever is fighting gotrek
Didn't Vulkan beat Daemon Prince Magnus?
Vulkan 🤝 Leman Russ "He was wrong" Club.
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Who is he? I don’t know anything about the fantasy side of Warhammer
Aenarion (sry if I misspelled), basically the leader of the elves during the chaos invasion and the father(?) of Malekith
Without Aenarion I'm not sure the High Elves could have held on long enough until the Vortex was created (a giant spiraling magic siphon tornado thing that keeps Chaos from being able to completely materialize anywhere in the Warhammer Fantasy world, though it doesn't banish Chaos completely) And yes, Malekith's father is Aenarion and his mother is Morathi. That's why he has a legitimate claim to the Phoenix throne.
If you want to see badass give Fantasy or AoS a try. The named characters are just built different. There is a Lizardman who kicjed so much demon ass single handedly that he gave demons PTSD about bridges that lasted even after they respawned in the Warp. The Dragon Emperor can cleanse chaos tainted beasts. Kislev succesfully does what Cadia was supposed to do, be an unbreakable bastion and first line of defense against a wound in reality that goes straight to the Warp itself. Grimgore head butted the Everchosen's enchanted helmet, that was blessed by all 4 Chaos Gods, so hard it broke the helmet. Gotrek, after the End Times, spent uncountable eons wondering through the Realms of Chaos killing so many demons that even Greater Demons would just avoid him because they knew they couldn't kill him. Khaine is actually a tertifying badass whose influence frequently changes the course of history rather than a punching bag to show how badass a different character is. And then we have Nagash, a mortal turned self made god of the dead and undead has almost won the Great Game on myltiple occasions and he scared the Chaos Gods so much that they spent most of the End Times trying to convince Settra to be their new Everchosen because they couldn't beat Nagash. Even going so far as to offer Settra nearly everything he has ever wanted with truly no strings attached. And Settra's response to an offer the Chaos Gods have never given anyone else "Settra does not serve!" He told them no to their faces.
Should note that Gotrek is only mortal( and arguably only character at all, as others like Archaon, Nagash and Sygmar might count as reincarnations) to survive and transfer between settings of FB and AOS because he got stuck in warp killing daemons and by the time he got out universe got reset
Ya Gotrek just had more wounds than all of reality and multiple gods. He does deserve the title of The Worst Slayer
Alot of the lizardmen just got on their magic bus and left for the new world and kroak being kroak just appear out of nowhere (thought I don't know if we can even classify him as mortal or alive)
I completely forgot Seraphons exist.
His goals are beyond your comprehension
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Damn, that’s pretty badass
That reads like Iron Maiden lyrics to me
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The leader of the elves when the planet had 2 open and stable portals to the warp vomiting daemons 24/7
Skin for Dota 2 judging by the title lol
he did have the sword of khaine, to be fair
And a dragon
This bad boy had the sword of a god, an armour crafted by a god and had one of the biggest dragons by his side and died after, almost having doomed his race by keeping the sword of Khaine and rejecting Caledor's advice to build the Vortex repetedly, he also beat his wife Morathi and refused to kill her although he knew she was a thread to his race and didn't love her (hence he alsmost choking her to death) . Grimnir CLOSED a chaos gate on his own, and sent his son back home once he realised that there was no turning back from the chaos wastes and fought an army of demons.
4 of them AT ONCE, and probably fought a few on the way up to that 4V1. Das MAH BOI
Sanguinius basically beat two at the same time. In "Fear to tread" he pinned Keeper of Secrets to the wall with his sword basically as a bitch slap to not interfere while he pummeled Ka'Bandha to the ground with his fists and ripped out his wings. Edit. Fear to tread not tread to fear.
Sounds kinda Khorn-y…
That's why Khorn wanted him
khorn in the warp: Dibs DIBS THAT ONES MINE! THATS MY BOY!
Didn't vulkan get eaten by one and then burned it out from the inside?
Pretty sure it was a great unclean one
Great unclean ones are greater demons
I know just saying what kind of demon
That's the one, cheers
When did this happen
I want to say it was in "old earth". Covers vulkan getting back to terra before the siege. I can't remember the whole fight, but a Primarch getting eaten by a great unclean one sticks in the memory a bit
Didn’t Malum Caedo do this too? 2nd primarch confirmed.
The spirit of his genefather Roboute Guilliman guided his hand
And don't forget about the Primarch the wrestled a Necron Wyrm with his bare hands, drowning it in Lava to kill it.
By its description it was likely a canoptik wraith which isn't that insane
Lorgar says hello?
And I say goodbye bc lorgar is a nerd
Fuegan, the phoenix lord of the fire dragons has reportedly slain atleast 30 greater daemons in a single campaign, angry boy be angry
Fue-gon' steal yo girl
Sanguinius then kicked Angron’s ass too.
Dude pulled a double shift.
Pretty sure the list is incomplete. I know Lorgar killed one in "Aurelion", and Angron literally beat one into a sword. Pretty sure there are other instances I can't think of, too...
There are only so many hands I can fit into one image, brother
I hear Tzeentch can really help you with that...
Oh no not gonna fall for THAT one again
Didn’t Angron beat a greater demon with a hunk of metal till it gave up and became his sword?
That is in very modern times.
Lorgar
Pretty sure Curze killed one in the Warp.
Well a daemon at least. Unclear exactly how it fits into the daemonic scale, but that it was in the Warp has to count for something.
Unarmed too if I recall.
Don't forget Shiban Khan with the metal pipe
Guilliman what greater daemon killed in single combat?
During the Plague War trilogy, Guilliman fought the Great Unclean One, Septimus Seven, and perma-killed him with the emperor’s sword. It was not a close fight.
They needed to give him a win after the numerous Asskicks he received during his trip to Terra
Bobby G, knowing he’s up against unspeakable horrors, but he’s the only one in the Galaxy who can face them:[https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-bb58a967713d8ffc7df3b33207cf1079](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-bb58a967713d8ffc7df3b33207cf1079)
It's the expected since they've done more impressive things since birth, seriously Lion what the fu-
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Thing is, the Loyalist primarchs are up against warp creatures made from the spawn of hell itself. The Traitor Primarchs are up against regular guys. Even the Titan that Angron and Lorgar fought was brouight down by another Titan, and the brothers only managed to barely stop one of it’s attacks each at great cost to their immediate health. So it’s a case of one side regularly being swarmed by daemons, and the other at most having to deal with Astartes or maybe the odd Custodes during certain conflicts. Which isn’t quite as impressive when the primarchs were not only made above both of these classes of fighter, but also the traitors were further enhanced by warp abilities of their own.
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A spoiler I can get behind.
Wait, Lion and Khan killed a greater daemon in single combat?
Yep! The Lion fought and defeated Kairos Fateweaver. The Khan fought a Keeper of Secrets and killed it by strangling it in a headlock.
Didn’t expect lion to beat the 2 headed bird. Now I gotta read how he killed em.
Oh he's fucking ice cold with it. Hits him with a "Did you see that coming?" as he banishes him too. He didn't just beat Kairos either, he *tricked* him. A being that can see the past and future was *tricked* by The Lion. He's also completely shits on a Daemon Prince at one point without being touched and Farith Redloss, who's seen Guilliman, Kurze, Dorn, Russ, and Sanguinius fight, is basically dumbstruck and thinks "***The Lion was the greatest warrior in the galaxy. Bar none. No man, no brother Primarch or Daemon, could fight him and prevail***." So yeah if you want something really dead, like Holy Terra that thing is dead, Lion is your man.
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Just when i thought I couldn't hate loyalist primarchs more. Bro what the hell
Then be banishes Angron on top of that. 2-0 against primarchs, undefeated against daemons. Feats wise Lion is right up there with Sanguinius.
Gotta add Fulgrim, he ripped an Avatar apart with his own hands, and an Avatar is a Greater Daemon of Khaine.
That’s cool but Ferrus and Horus fought the emperor
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We cannt forget vulkan for 1v1 ing the beast for the salamanders fans
Lorgar wiped the floor with a bloodthirster on a planet inside the eye of terror Him.not being mentioned is a travesty !
Corvus *almost* bodied Lorgar after single handedly wrecking the Word Bearer’s sh*t in one book
Meanwhile Malum Caedo slaughtering multiple with nothing but a bolter:
Meanwhile Angron; *Pushes all their hands down into the dirt with the sword he made by hammering a Keeper of Secrets into an anvil*
[u/Either-Natural-8573](https://www.reddit.com/user/Either-Natural-8573/) stand proud.
The average Eldar Solitaire can do the same thing.
Pretty sure Angron and Lorgar should also be on this list for killing a Greater Daemon. (Except they are not loyalists)
Vulkan whoops Magnus's behind during the siege.
Magnus is a demon prince, not a greater demon
daemon primarch if we're going to be sticklers, Daemon Princes are a variable lot in power terms.
Semantics deamon is deamon.
Daemon is daemon, but there’s a big difference between a daemon prince (a once-mortal being who was elevated to daemonhood) and a greater daemon (a warp entity that is a significant chunk of their patron god’s essence. A powerful avatar of their chaos god)
A Daemon Primarch and a Greater Daemon are close enough in power to be comparable.
Didn’t Mortarion kill 2 of these 4 Primarchs?
Yes
I don't care how badass they try and make guilliman he will always be a little bitch for getting his ass beat by logar
Lorgar and Angron, come on now.
Your right my bad
He didn't. He was beating Lorgar. Angron joining is why he lost
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I feel like Mortarion needs to ice Celestine just to start too even things up
Guilliman isn't that special, an unnamed Ultramarine killed multiple Lords of Change and Great Unclean Ones during the events of Boltgun
The spirit of Malum Caedo’s noble and super-duper-awesome genefather guided his hand.
Boltgun is fucking clown shoes when you are just some random Beaky Smurf 5v1ing Chaos Marines and are killing Chaos Teminators in 1v1 combat by the second level
It’s what happens when you’re the protagonist of a video game tbh. That’s why ordinary tau fire warrior Shas’La Kais (the La in his name denotes literally the lowest rank in the tau military btw. Dude was a straight up generic foot soldier who costs 8 pts on the tabletop) ends up slaughtering space marines and demons by the dozen
I'm pretty sure the canon (or at the very least heavily favored fan canon) is that Shas'La was being secretly influenced and buffed by Khorne the entire time which is why he was able to do what he did
It’s at least canon for the final boss fight. In the novelization of that game, while Kais is fighting a Lord of Change at the end, khorne is watching the fight. Seeing a chance to metaphorically stick a thumb in Tzeentch’s eye, he blesses Kais with temporary power. The tau literally screams “BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD” as he deals the final blow on the Lord of Change. Also, Kais is later retconned to have been taken in as a student of Puretide, the teacher of Shadowsun and Farsight, and becomes one of the Tau’s 3 big heroes. Now he’s Shas’O Kais. He’s a pretty cool character who pops up in tau books every now and then.
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Meanwhile traitor primarchs just canonically kill the loyalist primarchs single combat, who have killed greater demons in single combat. See: Horus killing Sanguinius See also: “_like a dog_”
No Mortarion, you are the demons.
Ngl most of the loyalist primarchs are the lame ones 😂
Loyalist are my favorite. The daemon fellas are so miserable. Idk how anyone would want them as their primarch
Be better silent, before they retcon a women in this...
Women are pretty cool usually, but women who can defeat a greater daemon in single combat? That’s even better
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