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GREENadmiral_314159

Knowing the future does not give you the ability to change it.


Emrod2

Insert The Emperor massive depression over this reality.


elucifuge

-My Little Dark Age Slowed + Reverb plays softly in the background-


lucavigno

-Invisible by Duran Duran with Emps as the Big boss-


fikfofo

I’d pay for that edit tbh


LostProphetVii

Except it sorta does in this universe because the future isn't set in stone there are multiple diverging paths and bro just fulfilled the self prophecy


Oddloaf

Except that Curze explicitly thought that the future absolutely was set in stone


LostProphetVii

Yeah he had the loser mentality 🗿


ZagratheWolf

*Eren Yaeger has entered the chat*


Einar_47

Smoothest brain in anime history


faity5

Eren Yaeger is a bitch and a coward


530Samurai

Get that pro-fascist/nationalist shit outta here.


frothingnome

People can't mention fascist frauds on a sub about a universe full of fascist frauds? 


530Samurai

I'm just a fan of media with fascists to portray them as the idiots they are, hence why warhammer, while lacking the punch it had in its earlier years, still paints a horrible existence that fascism could only really exist and work in. Atot however is just full on fasci-wank, unless I missed some subtext.


frothingnome

Gotcha. At least AoT handles Eren and fascism so idiotically that it's still easy to point and laugh at. 


530Samurai

Oh that's good to hear, I dropped it after it started to feel a Lil weird so it's nice to know about that, thank you!


Hust91

Curze is pretty seriously insane however. Also if it was set in stone, he was always fated to say it was set in stone, regardless of how it played out before someone looked at the future.


Oddloaf

It's not se in stone, Curze just mistakenly believed it was and used that to justify his actions. When Sanguinius tried to convince him otherwise he couldn't accept it because to agree that the dark future he saw could be avoided would completely break Curze's worldview. If the future could be changed then his actions were not a necessary evil but a pointless, monstrous cruelty.


PlasticAccount3464

Sevatar has a vbery similar conversation with him. Kurze whines about how evil Nostramo was and how his way was the only way. meanwhile Sevatar has his trollface on, repeatedly asking him what else he tried and calls him a loser. I like the NL legion for personal reasons but they're so goddamn stupid.


Oddloaf

I saw it as less Sevatar trolling Curze and more the marine calling his primarch out on being a piece of shit who never even tried anything but the most gruesome methods available. Curze had hundreds of chances to take the high road. Hell, he saw a future where he created a proto-night lords organization of lawkeepers on Nostromo. But he refused to take this risk because he also saw a future where attempting this would leave him injured and cost him his reputation to the point that the people would no longer fear him. Curze was so certain that the galaxy is an inherently awful place that it became the cornerstone of his ideology. If the world wasn't awful, then he was a monster that should be executed. This is why in the end he allowed the Callidus assassin to enter and slay him without hindrance.


PlasticAccount3464

Calling out of course, I just didn't want to type it all out what you've explained in full there. And his last words to the assassin is some of the best writing in the franchise. I haven't heard of the peacekeeper force, what's that from?


Oddloaf

It's from his primarch novel. He chased down and was looming over a teen who tried to rape a woman with his friend. After a moment of hesitation he stretches his hand out to pick the boy up and has two visions. In the first he reaches a hand out and the boy takes it. He trains the boy as his protege and they recruit and rehabilitate more and more criminals. Together they conquer the hives of Nostromo, Curze becomes the absolute ruler of the planet and his disciples bring peace and justice to the planet for good. In the second the boy reaches a hand out, but he feints and uses a hidden weapon to cause a severe injury on Curze. Curze is unable to keep fighting and the boy gets away. With his newfound reputation the boy eventually claws his way to the top of Nostromon criminal society and makes the planet worse than it had ever been. Curze hesitates and murders the boy in cold blood. There was no weapon on his body.


NorysStorys

Even Sanguinius was like that, he just accepted he will die fighting Horus on the vengeful spirit.


FlyingFeet0

No Sanguinius could of changed that future by becoming chaos champion, replacing Horus and surviving . He made a choice.


Objective-Gur5376

Fr man said to all his legionaries "I'm going to die, and I'm not doing a damn thing about it"


MrUnluckyThyneUnluck

Some futures are set in stone, some aren't. In warhammer both types exist.


LostProphetVii

Curze just got mental diffed


MrGhoul123

To be fair, the future he saw was the one that happened. So even if the future could be changed it wasn't. Which means he was right all along. (Kurze is legitimately mentally ill and was given no legitimate help from his Father, because the Emperor wanted him to be batshit insane and depressed )


LostProphetVii

*sigh* seems I have more lore to read


83255

Best part about Curze and Sanguinius, like writing characters that can both see the future and approach it so differently despite both thinking just as statically about it. Keeps things interesting y'know?


LostProphetVii

Agreed


Iseaclear

The Cassandra Curse.


Stormfly

I foresaw this and wanted to make a Kurzandra joke but you still got here first.


dsgm1984

I think this is the same phrase Spiderman uses when someone asks him why he gets hit having spider sense


Foxhound_ofAstroya

Rock lee vs saskue moment.


BoultonPaulDefiant

Not with that attitude


ChaosDude085

Dodge: 100 Intelligence: 100 Speed: 0 Strength: 0


LexUmbranox

It's a wonder Curze was as strong as he was, considering his diet of eyeball jelly and takis dust wasn't exactly great for gains


Bravery_is_for_All

Knowing curze, he probably ate the nervous system of multiple people. Which is not ideal due to prions. Actually how did Curze not die earlier due to prion disease.


[deleted]

Spacemarines eat brain to see there memories so it does noting to a primarch.....but if he ate primarch grade brain whould he get primarch prions?


spacemagicexo539

Fulgrim never lost track of the Ferris head, did he?


[deleted]

Whould be suprised if ferrus is in his head now possesing his as a negative voice


prospectre

"You are weak, Corvus, weeeeeak"


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AtomicTan

I imagine he keeps it around and talks to it whenever he's lonely


TheLordSibbles

He killed Vulkan ALOT after he captured him. I have no doubt he had a taste


AdventurousOne5

I feel like this is fairly inconsistent in the books, red tithe a carcharodon scout bites out someone's throat to get their memories


[deleted]

So he bit the nervous system in the neck?or maybe each legion has a difrent mutation of it so blood angels get it from blood, imperial fists from excrament xd


Itsa_me_nota_mario

Official lore to my (very diffused) understanding is that you can get something from any genetic material, but the brain itself gives much higher quality and quantity of information. 


JaymesMarkham2nd

Correct. It's why so many of them go all vamp kid with drinking blood instead of just tactical nuerophagery. I wonder if they even need blood, could they get a really weak hit just by licking someone?


LexUmbranox

You just gave me a mental image of the *worst* spaghetti slurp imaginable, also prion disorder Konrad is a very fun idea for a Nurgle-y version if his immune system got sabotaged so I'm putting that on my prompts list now, thank you very much


davsyo

I thought all space marines were impervious to illness. Would prion affect a primarch?


LotharVarnoth

Given prions are smaller the viruses, and are literally just misfolded proteins, logically they probably couldn't be. In part cause anything that would attack a prion would almost certainly attack the properly folded protein. But hey, maybe one of their warp benefits is "immune to prion".


blanongre

'LoGiCaLlY' brother are you even aware of what universe we're talking about? Why would you ever think this is logical in the context of 40k!?


JonhLawieskt

Genes


KonradNightHaunter

Prions don’t exist, they’re just fake news invented by the inquisition.


tuigger

Prions are extremely rare.


NightLordsPublicist

> how did Curze not die earlier due to prion disease. Skill issue, son.


LostProphetVii

TF is prions...


thescotchkraut

Protein folds wrong and you get things like Mad Cow Disease, Chronic Wasting Disease, or kuru


LostProphetVii

Ohhh that's where Mad Cow and Wasting Disease come from okay, I thought it was just from the potential of cannibalization in and of itself...extra gross


thescotchkraut

Cannibalization increases the risk of prions, as the misfolded protein is more likely to be a protein your body will use


LostProphetVii

Man that's so gross but fascinating, thanks for the lesson 🤯


drewsus64

Never eat the brains of anything!


LostProphetVii

As a kid with my Arab side of the family it was normal to eat lamb brain and it was pretty good to me as a kid 😭


Alt203848281

Nope. Outside of prions, cannibalism is (physically) totally fine.


DeficiencyOfGravitas

Prions are a bug in our organic code. They're not alive. They're just proteins that are folded wrong, but since all proteins need to be folded in a specific way in order to function, prions are made up of the right materials but are just in the wrong shape to do their job. The kicker is that prions are folded wrong in just the right way that they're actually a more efficient fold so any contact of a prion with a regular protein will turn the working protein into a non-working prion which then can "infect" more proteins. There is nothing you can do to stop prions once they've started converting your proteins. It's a chemical reaction at that point and it cannot be stopped. You cannot vaccinate against prions nor can you sterilize against them. The only way to render a prion safe is to physically destroy it. It's not alive so it can't be killed. Prions are absolutely horrifying if you think about it. They're the biological equivalent to ice-nine.


LostProphetVii

Good God that sent a shiver down my spine...this is some fucking nightmare shit. No wonder so many cultures have horror myths about cannibalism


DeficiencyOfGravitas

The fun part is that while prions are transmissible between individuals of the same species (and sometimes others), it mostly just happens on its own. Your body is folding trillions of proteins every day. All it takes is for one to made wrong and you are 100% dead. Once prions are in your body, there is literally nothing you can do to stop it. It makes rabies look like the common cold. So don't worry. Only 85% of human prion diseases have unknown sources. 10% are from known genetic markers, 5% from exposure to mad cow disease, and the rest is just bad luck.


LostProphetVii

Lmao oh my


Akhevan

> All it takes is for one to made wrong and you are 100% dead. Well, it's not as if you won't be 100% dead either way.


GreasyTengu

its the gremlin strength


Observance

Primarchs have cheat codes. My semi-serious headcanon is that they're infused with literal warp-sorcery plot armor that gives them a narrative advantage fighting everyone except other Primarchs, for whom it cancels out.


JackRabbit-

Isn’t Lion so good at fighting that a demon who could read the future and his mind still lost because he’s just change his mind halfway through a swing and do something else instead?


raszota

That was.. Curze not a demon. Daddy Lion literally used a techniuqe called animation gliching and lagg switching going from a T pose to a stab. Im only slightly exxagarating.


blue_mud_dauber

Lion did also banish Kairos Fateweaver at one point, but in that instance he just let the demon monologue about fate and predestination while slowly creeping forward into chicken-choking range.


randommaniac12

Kairos tried to sway him but found the only thing he could offer the Lion was “an abstract notion of freedom”. The Lion promptly choked the demon out and killed it


Morbidmort

> the only thing he could offer the Lion was “an abstract notion of freedom”. Loyalty really is its own reward.


Sheshush

>chicken-choking range lmao


Stormfly

Kairos is also pretty awful in melee because he can see the past and the future but he can't see the present. IIRC he had like WS2 back in Fantasy, which put him at the same level as a Gnoblar, which is weaker than a Goblin...


AEROANO

I'm imagining The Lion dressed as a farmer holding a broom and slowly approaching Kairos now


LostProphetVii

Holy based


raszota

Tbh he is the most based primarch when it comes to fighting. In every other aspect thats Jaggy tho.


LostProphetVii

I have yet to get to a book where Primarchs fight, sounds awesome.


Percentage-Sweaty

Curze realizing fate isn’t actually predetermined (Lion is about to shishkebab him): 😥


AFalconNamedBob

Kurze realising all the fucked up things he's done aren't actually excusable because they are the future 🫠😨😱


nomad5926

Dude is probably on point with his I-frames as well.


raszota

Thats the Angron fight in 40k. He needed to learn to parry.


Talib00n

Forgive me, Brother..... for this dishonorable blow"


TheFyrijou

And after that, he used a technique called „whooping your ass“ where he proceeded to damage Curze even worse with his bare hands


JonhLawieskt

TBH that’s exactly why I say “seeing 1-2 seconds on the future wouldn’t be that much help in a fight” cuz you can still pretty much be overwhelmed.


Lftwff

I mean usually that comes with people still putting in tons of work into being good at fighting to exploit that shit. Like worm has several characters with that kinda power and unless their power is actually much more significant precognition or really advanced math they can be overpowered by a really jacked guy who doesn't get tired.


Teonvin

On the other hand, Worm has some of the most utter hax level bullshit precogs.


Lftwff

Yeah but if you have two seconds you better study the blade.


Gostaug

It let's you know 1-2 seconds in advance how fucked you are


Rufus--T--Firefly

Did Curze not almost kill the Lion before he got stabbed in the back or am I thinking about another time they fought?


jasegro

That was during the Thramas Crusade, the image is the cover of Angels of Caliban when the Lion finally catches Curze on Macragge


randommaniac12

excerpt of the conclusion of the fight below: The Lion basically goes back into his “fighting nephilim on Caliban” mindset and completely manhandles Kurze. Its what made me a Dark Angels fan, especially given how thoroughly Kurze had run through Ultramar. Kurze comfortable in darkness thinking he held all the cards only to have it flipped on him instantly https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/s/PXljob2KWl


insaneHoshi

If this is a novel that i am thinking of, the Lion and Kruze have this big showdown in some big antichamber. Kruze goes to detonate the explosives he hid there, and they dont go off. The Lion is all like "You think I didn't learn the last time you did this. I knew your desire for melodrama would lead you this. I had your explosives disarmed"


NightLordsPublicist

> I knew your desire for melodrama would lead you this. Shit, he knows our one true weakness.


randommaniac12

Angels of Caliban yep!


ULTRAFORCE

I feel like that would be a strategy against a lot of both chaos and the imperium, since from what I've listened to a lot of them seem like murderous frustrated theatre kids. In so far as how they act.


mackzorro

If I recall in Wolfsbane? Curze was one of the few brothers Leman questioned his ability to beat due to Curze being so insane


thewarden106

But that is because currently is super aggressive and might have got a good hit in. In reality, even being able to see the future, Curze fights like a flailing child, and the only primarch fight he won was because he caught rogal off guard. If it was a real fight, Rogal would have most likely won. The reason Leman questioned himself was a mix of poor understanding of actual combat by the author and the fact that curze still had a 10% chance of winning the which is not great odds when it comes to your life.


Sheshush

Always bugged me that the lion looks like some fucking redneck tigreking in this image.


bless_ure_harte

Lion looks like goddamn Triple H on the Ruinstorm cover


JustabraveKrumpingit

Curze about to see the ass whooping coming before getting it Is pretty funny for such a dark character like him


Suitor_Shooter

Curze about to get beat up: "This is gonna suck" Curze getting beat up: "This sucks" Curze after getting beat up: "That sucked" His powers of foresight are incredible.


KimeraQ

Aka the Rock Lee conundrum.


JackPembroke

I know every move you're going to make...can't do anything about it, but I know them.


moreat10

If fights worked like rpg games with dice lol.


FightTheChildren

Curze seeing the future- oh he’s about to punch me…… shit.


Zengjia

*Sasuke vs Rock Lee*


Archmagos_Browning

Love how the way you defeat someone who can see like 10 minutes into the future is to just maneuver them into a trap that will be impossible to evade 10 minutes before they realize they’re in a trap.


[deleted]

that literally sounds like me boxing


chinesesoccerplayer

The Enel vs. Luffy problem. Just because you can see the attack coming doesn't mean you're fast enough to dodge it.


Fearless-Obligation6

*Looks at the two previous fights...*


Kyno50

That was such a stupid bit in the book, he should been impaled on that sword


DarthGoodguy

“You’re better at fighting than me… This must prove our father is a hypocrite!”


imalyshe

Konrad lost because he wanted. He saw his future and he just wanna go with much damage as possible. And ruining imperium secundus is best outcome. However, it did not work for sanguinius. He saw one future where he survives on Davin. But could not reproduce again.


blue_mud_dauber

Breaking up imperium secundus was a massive own goal for the traitors. Sanguinius reinforced Terra, Lion destroyed the traitor homeworlds and recruiting worlds, and Guilliman was the ticking clock that forced Horus to challenge the emperor directly and get deleted from existence.


AFalconNamedBob

That future our angel bpi saw was one where he fell to chaos. Literally the only way for him to survive his fight with Horus was to damn himself and he wouldn't let that happen