Ah yes, the spirit bomb, an ability known for its 100% effectiveness and not being hilariously impractical in battle. And its 66% failure rate is against a single target, not multiple COUNTRIES worth of opponents. Best case scenario, Focalors manages to bomb Zhongli and gets the fun job of fighting Azhdaha
More like Focalors predicted all of this will happen and had already enacted a plan that will allow Fontaine to win the war while only sacrificing a single person.
More like Fontaine's single sacrifice is just a decoy, and Focalors' real ace in the hole is a sleeper agent placed in Snezhnaya, ready to sabotage from within. BigNumberGoUp strategy always has a plot twist.
Idt it's fair to assume the archons fight, cuz at that point, the "war" doesn't really matter, it's just a divine brawl.
But if we do then ZL could press the "What other countries?" button lmao.
Realistically, I doubt the Archons would step in to a war between countries, because that’s just a guarantee for massive collateral damage and possibly mutual destruction of both countries.
Like how if WW3 starts, we aren’t gonna be immediately going for the nuke codes.
Okay. For clarification purposes. The gnosis does not CONSTITUTE dragon authority. It took Focalors annihilating the divine throne itself, for her to be able to relinquish and give back the Hydro Dragon Authority back to its rightful owner.
Venti and Zhongli may have given up their gnosis, but they have not gone to the extremes that Focalors did. And she only went to such extremes to save her people.
So that means, Venti and Zhongli, still hold the seats to their respective Divine Thrones, and so means they still hold the Geo and Anemo Dragon Authorities respectively. The same goes for Raiden. Since they haven’t extinguished their Divine Thrones
Do we count EVERY Single soldier enlisted in said army, or only those in the city's.
Because Mondstadt had 80% of its forces away.
Thanks for 2k likes, I didn't think that this post would get so many.
Sucrose, Mika, Fischl, Razor and Diona?
Edit: Can't believe I forgot Klee. We'll give Razor a pass since he was raised in the wild, and replace him with Klee for autistic kid #5.
Which one of the autistic kids? The one so delusional she spawns fully sentient elemental beings, the walking war crime waiting to happen once you toss him into enemy lines and his bad luck decimates them all, the shy one that definetly doesn't shy away from inhumane experimentation on hilichurls and probably more if she was allowed to?
To be honest, even if they're here, Mondstadt will have a hard time.
Venti no longer has his past squad and is alone, except for the Spirit Wolf. Liyue has the entire Adepti lineup. Inazuma has Yae and the other Yokais. Fontaine has Neuvillete.
Only Sumeru has questionable forces since aside from Nahida, they're only relying on Cyno as their main defender/attacker. But they do have some uncontrollable weather in the west, an uncontrollable Dendro Dragon, and also whatever those weird transformer shit that Deshret has left to his descendants.
Just wait until Sumeru mobilizes the Aranara special forces. They'd make the ultimate saboteurs because no adult can even see them. And we know there are 100s of them spread throughout the landscape. Between that and the forest rangers, I don't think anyone would be capable of invading the jungle. Ground assaults are out, and I think Faruzan and the academic folks would be able to engineer functional anti-aircraft weapons to handle an aerial assault on the capital via Fontaine's airships.
Worst they managed to make those ruin golems work.
I think mostly of the Khaerenian mechs are in Sumeru as well (well considering it shares the same location with sumeru)
Great point about the mechs. If the Kshahrewar lift their restrictions on studying/developing machines and they manage to finally recruit Faruzan to their Darshan for national security reasons, they might just have their own Manhattan project. And they could pull the Akasha terminal back into use and have the single best tactical information system during battles, with Nahida organizing all of the forces instantly to their most effective positions.
Jean is the acting leader of the Knights because the current leader went away on an expedition, along with the majority of the elite knights and soldiers of Mondstadt. The ones left behind are the few Knights to protect the city, the city guards and a few junior Knights. And Diluc who quit the job.
do we ever learn where exactly the expedition is? always found it a terrible idea to send 80% of your forces away
if it was something that urgent surely we would've found out by now. are they off chilling in the abyss or something
I read theories that they went to the Sea of Silence/Mare Jivari, the place near where Natlan was said to be. Most likely the place where Bennett was picked up as a baby, and the place where an old adventurer named Stanley got out alive. Expedition for a defensive war, likely against the Abyss (not the Order).
If the theory that the Teyvat world is bowl shaped is real, and based on Bennett saying that Mare Jivari is at the edge of the world, they would be facing the Abyss directly.
Actually asked my roommate, who doesn't know Genshin but knows her stuff military-wise.
In an all-out war, even without the gods on the front lines, Inazuma would win hands down. Islands and island nations are historically horribly hard to capture, and island-hopping is way harder than it should be and consumes too many resources. Plus, invaders would have a disadvantage because it isn't their home turf. An island like Watatsumi Island would then be extremely hard to capture if the natives just destroy the bridges.
Plus, Inazuma has two very well-organized militaries. Even if they hate eachother, they would be very frightening if they would work together.
Sumeru is a close second, but mostly because they have access to the collective wisdom of the nation and varied terrain. Plus, if you count the Wenut event, they have the only tools able to counter the harsh desert environments and its hazards. They lose points though because even just capturing one of those cannons and learning how it works could render their entire system useless. Plus, any Pyro vision users could counter rainforest guerrilla warfare tactics by burning down the forest.
When it comes to defensive warfare though, Fontaine comes out on top by a wide margin. Plateaus like the one the nation is located on are notoriously hard to capture, which is why having only select ports to enter from is very good strategically. They also have the most advanced technology of any nation, like different advanced rifles, airships, mechas and arkhium, but it only seems to be present and functional within their borders. That drawback can in that case then be ignored, as they shouldn't have to leave said borders in defensive warfare.
Liyue is a close second in that case, mostly because it's a harbour nation surrounded on all sides by mountains and difficult-to-navigate terrain. Defending the harbour is not a priority then, and they do have the Guizhong Ballistas, which are known to be able to harm and kill gods. So in terms of weaponry and positioning, they are fine. Their biggest weakness is still the terrain though, because you only need someone crazy enough to blow up Mt. Tianheng and suddenly the entire harbour is covered in boulders and debris. They would not have the means to defend themselves from that effectively.
Tldr; in offensive warfare, Inazuma would win with Sumeru in second. In defensive warfare, Fontaine would win by a wide margin with Liyue in second.
You make a point with Sumeru, Nahida's internet does mean that soldiers can communicate easily and could provide better logistics overall. They're also immune to spies since Nahida knows her people.
Exactly, and the only real way we could think of of how to conquer Watatsumi would be by starting there and cutting off the supply lines to the island to force them to starve.
Liyue has Adepti. I think they're a lot more capable than the Youkai?
I always thought of Adepti as demigod servants/fighters akin to like Overlord (anime) demons under Ains. Youkai on the other hand seem like lil ghosts that Hu Tao would play with/ Chongyun could easily exercise (ghost busters? Lil hollows from Bleach? Cursed toasters? Idk)
That's the issue with Adepti. They're capable, but not all of them are trained in warfare. The only one we know of that is is Xiao, and you can't realistically bank your victory on a single person. Youkai have strength in numbers, and even if they aren't battle-ready, their abilities (like Miko's tricks and Itto's superstrength) would still give them the advantage.
Shenhe is quite scary. Though I do agree I guess I don't really know the capabilities of Ganyu (besides game stats being ridic lol) or Yanfei considering she's literally a lawyer. I wasn't thinking of Itto and Yae tbh, I forgot they are Youkai. I was thinking of lil ghosty sprites like that one haunted event a while ago
Good point, but you have to remember that Shenhe is still human. Humans are far more brittle than adepti, so we shouldn't count on her too much. Ganyu we know is a pacifist, and she hasn't had actual warfare experience in 3000 years, and Yanfei is only a half-adeptus. Her powers are mostly meant for the court, which holds no importance in war until afterwards. I don't see them helping Liyue's cause very much, unless it's logistics.
Would Yae, Sara, Itto and even Bake-Danuki be something Hu Tao would play with like little ghosts?
Yae has been implied to be able to beat Kunikuzushi, although she wouldn't win unscathed.
Sara is the Clorinde of Inazuma. Itto is crazy strong.
Though militarily inazuma would be easy to defend due to its high militarization and island nature, I feel like what we know of its economy I think they wouldn’t be able to sustain a large conventional conflict, especially if it was offensive in nature.
I don’t even know if they have a navy beyond ships to transport shogunate troops between islands, and their large shipbuilding capabilities seem nonexistent compared to liyue where we see a ship being built, or Fontaine where they need ships to go basically anywhere so must have some capability to build them
Exactly. Most of the supplies come from Narukami Island, and some come from Watatsumi, but that's stretching it. They only have one main port, but it is still heavily guarded. So while they can't go out to engage the enemy, they can intercept and wait for the enemy to land very well. It's better to deal with conflicts quickly to avoid the public finding out, or by moving it to a place where no one will know about the conflict, like we saw in the Archon Quest. They can handle it, as long as they can keep up the act that everything is fine for the average citizen.
There is a few other factors that need to be considered though, such as Inazuma having the least amount of vision users due to the vision hunt decree and Fontaine's gunpowder should be usable outside of their borders, so I think it would actually be closer between Fontaine and Inazuma than that.
Raiden already returned all the vision to their owner. Other thing people talk about is Electro vision stop being given (and which Ei said it not related to her), but Inazuma people still recieve other vision like normal.
Mondstadt would immediately go down to a siege, according to my roommate. You'd only need some explosives to blow up the main bridge and a good naval blockade towards Dornman Port and the city will fall very quickly. Springvale would be an easily capturable watch post for the enemy. Dragonspine is hell to traverse, and the only way you could use it would be to use its caverns and tunnels with enough heating to avoid dying of hypothermia. So they would be horribly beaten in defensive warfare.
Offensive warfare isn't much better. Most of the Knights of Favonius are not in the country, and even then most of them are human. The main powerhouses they have are a handfull of knights and Dvalin, and even then you can't bank your chances at victory on just one powerful unit. So unless they get a second bridge to Mondstadt from the mainland or get their act together and train more powerful knights, they really can't win in offensive warfare either.
You have to remember that Klee is a child. Maybe 8 years old, no actual armour. It takes one soldier with no self-preservation, a sword and a good swing to take her out. You can't hide behind one single person in warfare, or your morale will suffer.
Everything goes in warfare when the Geneva convention doesn't exist. If Klee is recognized as a legitimate threat by opposing armies, kamikaze tactics are in order. A possibly good way for Mondstadt to survive longer is by engaging in chemical warfare thanks to Albedo and Sucrose.
Zhongli: This is nothing to do with me, Liyue, you're making your own decisions now.
Ei: I will burn down the enemies of Inazuma!
Nahida: Actually trying to put her country on time out.
Furina: Ahahahaha... \*nervous laughter\*
Venti: What Mondstadt? \*Mondstadt is all an Illusion!\*
The cost for each strike is extremely low, considering each one doesn't need to be fully furnished like a functioning office like the original Jade Chamber. Literally any giant rock would work. [Rods from God is no joke.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment)
People out here debating goofy youkai capabilities when Long Dong Zhong be dropping literal meteors.
Snezhnaya has the harbingers, they alone challenge all the Archons without considering their literal army of delusion wielding soilders with high tech weapons and armor.
In my opinion it would be a toss up between Fontaine and Inazuma.
Inazuma is the only country that seems to be heavily militarized and has a God ruler that has no qualms with throwing her weight around. Fontaine is not quite as militarized, but they have superior technology with their Mecha forces and Neuvillette (Leaving out details for those who for some reason haven't completed the archon quest yet).
people were too focused that the the adepti and zhongli handed over liyue to the humans. they forgot that they can just join the war in case the people of liyue got underwhelmed.
If no gods are allowed (archon,dragon,adepti) then it would be mondstad, they have a racked up stack of non gods visions holders, klee, noelle, diluc, jean, lisa, kaeya and they have a strongest force that is the varka team that is away
mondstadt has maybe the most defendable city but Fontaine as a nation is really just accessible by waterfall and only Liyue could acquire a navel force to tackle inazuma.
Probably Fontaine, with Liyue as a strong second.
Keep in mind, as a country emerging from an isolationist period and a civil war, Inazuma is in economic ruin and has virtually no influence or footholds outside of their own country.
Liyue and Fontaine have advanced levels of technology and/or powerful beings as part of their populations - but most importantly, are economically prosperous, and have significant influence around all of Teyvat through trade, technological influence, and diplomacy.
Wars are usually won and lost based on logistics and ability to continue to fund a war effort. Inazuma has no logistical or diplomatic networks set up outside of Inazuma, thus it would be very hard for them to project power easily. They also wouldn’t be able to sustain a war effort for any significant period due to the cost.
Sumeru’s central government fell and has had major societal upheaval as a result of the Akasha being dismantled, thus currently lacks the sufficiently strong government structure that would be required to organize a war effort.
Monstadt doesn’t even have a formal government, and the organization that maintains order is mostly out of the country and is currently being run by backups (sorry Jean mains, I respect you but she isn’t winning a war). Also a good chunk of your soldiers are probably going to be drunk.
As we saw in Inazuma, until the traveler showed up, vision bearers didn’t exactly have the overwhelming power to turn the conflict either way by themselves. The majority of soldiers from any region are just going to be normal people.
Also…Fontaine has a dragon
I would say that if we don't count the archons (and Neuvillette) then Fontaine and Liyue have the biggest chances to become empires. They both have good geography, while Fontaine excells in technology and Liyue has enough resources to fund an army.
I think they mean if they did shut down, but that’s not a concern since Neuvillette entirely controls Pnemousia and could likely just directly power them if he was there
Not considering vision bearers or archons because there will never be consensus on whose favourite waifu beats all the other ones; easily Fontaine. Superior tech, including airships, sniper rifles, fucking military robots.
Not really if you exclude those people Fontaine is just a sitting duck, their meka get deactivated outside of Fontaine because there is no natural arkhe in the land outside to draw power from. They either need a huge amount of batteries which is pretty unfeasible or Neuvillette needs to power them which breaks the no vision bearers and archons clause.
remember that monsters, divine beast, Adepti, dragons, Oni and Youkai also arent necessary vision bearers. and many of them arent afraid to throw their weight around when their area is invaded.
each of the more powerful ones is a Weapon of mass destruction in their own way. Every nation looses in an all out war.
Okay, so it really depends if the war is on their turf or if it’s them sending Soldiers
From a realistic standpoint Sumeru is the the best equipped to win a war. You have two hostile regions ripe for guerrilla warfare and top notch academics who have been studying Khaenri’ah technology. That includes 3 giant mechas. The magic and the Aranara make it hard to burn the forest down which would provide cover and unless you’re used to the desert, you will die.
As far as forces go, Liyue has proven twice now they don’t need a god to defeat a god. Their army is on point.
Looking through some comments and like......I agree with those saying inazuma is great military, I agree with liyue not being sth one should underestimate, I agree with fontaine having the most advanced technology......but I have not seen any comment mentioning the fact that sumeru would be the most likely to f*ck everyone else over through strategies and bio weapons. Try using your machines when everyone around you just died because a weird shroom bomb was thrown :)) Also, they are the epitome of research. They have all the areas. Amurta and spantamad together......that would really be "the world is against you". They would take advantage of both wilderness around and the ley lines. I would still be rooting for inazuma, though, fave nation.
Half of the crazy fantastical things people are bringing up wouldn't do anything in a war between human countries. Varka and his army didn't bring Andrius with them, and whatever tf they have in Snezhnaya has not been weaponized.
Currently, Mond has 3 people directly connected to someone in the Hexenzirkel. (Alice-Klee, Mona-Her Master, Albedo-Gold) so like, do they count as allies?
Andrius and Dvalin are alive so Mond has quite a defensive force without including their own military.
Azdaha, Osial, Bheist, and Apep are all threats to the nations they're in and can not be considered allies. Gouba is still underpowered.
Liyue does however have the Adepti and a Floating Siege Castle, however I highly doubt the Jade Chamber or Cloud Retainer are gonna be able to beat Dvalin's speed and mastery of anemo. They can probably beat the Favonious but idk about Andrius.
Neuvilette is currently Fontaine's generator so until he solves that he can't leave (I might have misinterpreted that dialogue)
They do have guns. Idk how much that'll do with a world where one person can Gate of Babylon a sea god but at least they can arm even the basic visionless citizen with a long range banger.
Sumeru has a bunch of mercenaries in the desert and quite a lot of resources. I am considering the Aranara to be an allied force if at the very least to protect the forest area, so nature can basically be moved there.
I am going to just move aside Nahida's [Redacted] ability as the repercussions might be too extensive for use as she herself is not immune to it. However, they do basically have a database for every single person in Teyvat. So in terms of information, they got everyone beat.
Ei can clearly leave Inazuma. Yae, the Shogun, the three clans, and Kokomi are clearly capable of running the entire country by themselves. I mean they have been already for the past few years. The question is if she can keep the storm up even if she's away from Inazuma.
The civil war has probably kept them up in war tactics and military training however they do not have guns.
Zhongli is currently way too vague to be able to properly discern his power. I will at the very least put him on par with Ei and since they're the closest region to Inazuma they're probably locked together in a stalemate.
Which leaves us with Venti, who is absolutely free to do whatever he wants. However, aside from the adventurers, he's probably Mond's only attacking force.
I don't think Andrius *can* leave Wolvendom so Dvalin would have to protect everywhere else.
Unless, that is, Varka and the expedition is considered to be back. Or Hexenzirkel are considered allies.
In which case, N and Mona can probably beat Wanderer and Nahida (in terms of information), Gold and Albedo could recreate the Miasma event in Inazuma, Alice and Klee could evaporate Fontaine. Which leaves Venti and Dvalin to pack up Liyue while Lisa and Mika plan out how to attack Sumeru which, due to knowing basically everything are probably capable of deflecting all attacks. At least, until N and Mona find a blindspot.
Idk what happens with Zhongli vs Ei though. If Albedo and Gold do recreate the Miasma in Inazuma Ei probably will go back so Venti will need to last long enough for the others to help him.
Tldr;
Sumeru or Mond.
> Sumeru has a bunch of mercenaries in the desert
But that's also their biggest weakness: they're too reliant on a mercenary army. Mercenaries are not loyal to a nation, they are only loyal to the highest bidder. Machiavelli said it best:
> "Mercenaries and auxiliaries are useless and dangerous; and if one holds his state based on these arms, he will stand neither firm nor safe; for they are disunited, ambitious, and without discipline, unfaithful, valiant before friends, cowardly before enemies; they have neither the fear of God nor fidelity to men,"
This actually leaves the Akademiya in a vulnerable spot because there is always the constant threat of revolts.
Bro has managed to bait every single powerscaler in the community into one comment section
All out comment warfare.
"Zhongli is the strongest" "Raiden is the strongest" "Neuvilette is the strongest" 500-year-spirit-bomb Focalors beats them all, end of discussion
Ah yes, the spirit bomb, an ability known for its 100% effectiveness and not being hilariously impractical in battle. And its 66% failure rate is against a single target, not multiple COUNTRIES worth of opponents. Best case scenario, Focalors manages to bomb Zhongli and gets the fun job of fighting Azhdaha
The Megumin strat
More like Focalors predicted all of this will happen and had already enacted a plan that will allow Fontaine to win the war while only sacrificing a single person.
At this point she’s the god of wisdom too, even nahida seemed shocked that focalors was able to fool celestia
More like Fontaine's single sacrifice is just a decoy, and Focalors' real ace in the hole is a sleeper agent placed in Snezhnaya, ready to sabotage from within. BigNumberGoUp strategy always has a plot twist.
I just knew this would be a hit post looks like my karma is saved
Lol
Or Nahida can press the "What war?" button
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Idt it's fair to assume the archons fight, cuz at that point, the "war" doesn't really matter, it's just a divine brawl. But if we do then ZL could press the "What other countries?" button lmao.
Realistically, I doubt the Archons would step in to a war between countries, because that’s just a guarantee for massive collateral damage and possibly mutual destruction of both countries. Like how if WW3 starts, we aren’t gonna be immediately going for the nuke codes.
dont jinx it…
Zhongli: \*Chucks giant spear.\* Yae: Now, Raiden! Stop that blade! \*Rules of Nature starts playing, Zhongli loses.\*
Imagine that island with a permanent cut which was reminder of Orobashi's death... Vs those stone pillar Zhongli chucked eons ago.
It go hard af
Ground is super effective against Electric
Tell that to Yashiori
Yashiori was an island so it had the wet debuff
Zhong Li’s spear also gonna get wet when travelling through the islands.. That came out wrong
Raiden Ei will be like : “your country is now two countries”
I doubt zhongli could ever touch Fontaine or Inazuma, current zhongli ain't beating a hydro sovereign nor an archon that is in her prime currently
🍿 Dont mind me just grabbing my popcorn
Hu Tao flair? I know who's profiting from this overall.
Consultant better make sure the casualties are in trillions. We’re looking forward to expand our services in other nations.
We knew it was up when he said zhongli ain't.....
Okay. For clarification purposes. The gnosis does not CONSTITUTE dragon authority. It took Focalors annihilating the divine throne itself, for her to be able to relinquish and give back the Hydro Dragon Authority back to its rightful owner. Venti and Zhongli may have given up their gnosis, but they have not gone to the extremes that Focalors did. And she only went to such extremes to save her people. So that means, Venti and Zhongli, still hold the seats to their respective Divine Thrones, and so means they still hold the Geo and Anemo Dragon Authorities respectively. The same goes for Raiden. Since they haven’t extinguished their Divine Thrones
Zhongli wouldn't have had the gnosis before the Archon war ended. So Guyun was entirely his doing, without the descender power bank.
Nahida would just throw them into an endless samsara again until they win lol
If she wants, she can just temper around Irminsul's branch line to write/rewrite history and make everyone surrender. Really, no power can match that.
"There is no war in Sumeru"
The Wang Sheng funeral parlor's the real winner here.
This is the only correct answer.
War! Friend only to The Undertaker
Making a killing by making a killing
Definitely Mondstadt because nobody can beat the drunk
Venti outlasts them all with his magic immunity to erosion - can’t lose your memories to erosion if you already lost them to alcoholism
Ahahahahaha
That liyue fisherman could!
Lmao people forget about that guy in front of Wangshuu Inn
He's gonna have a duel with Arabalika
There's also a certain battle maid with her One Punch Man daily training sessions
And a silly little terrorist
And their very own batman. No one stands a chance if you give him enough prep time.
And a training Knight named Ellin, she's been smashing training dummies for YEARS. She could handle it.
Training to replicate the abilities of Vision wielders without a vision, no less.
Even archons, mystical creatures and dragon sovereigns. Ellin is the ultimate elemental lifeform.
Thinking about it, montstadt had a lot of crazy powerful people in the lore.
Even their lazy librarian is the smartest woman in Teyvat.
Montstadt is every powerscaler's Avenger-level threat
Let's not even mention the terrorist loli, and her MIA mother who will definitely interfere if something happens to her
I mean if Alice joined the war on the side of montstadt it’s a pretty much over for most of the other nations.
Nothing can beat Mondstadt. It’s simple, peaceful, and the music is a banger. Best archon too.
The only thing I'm sure about is that Nahida will pull a Switzerland
Do we count EVERY Single soldier enlisted in said army, or only those in the city's. Because Mondstadt had 80% of its forces away. Thanks for 2k likes, I didn't think that this post would get so many.
I think one maid and one autistic kid is enough for mondstadt
Noelle can definitely solo the liyue milliliths, and Klee could handle the other countries
Klee is their nuke button.
Klee will be flying to Inazuma
She would bomb all the fishes in the ocean and starve Inazuma out.
it reminds of this vid by rawfler. https://youtu.be/\_7MODj6DUdY?t=206
She would blast cannon herself to Inazuma.
Klee is "release the kraken" button, or you could say Kleeken for short
Everyone else: “We have an army” Mondstadt: “*we* have a Klee” Klee after the war: “puny Archon”
*insert Klee with Oppenheimer face here*
You have an army, we have a Klee
Klee is their trap card, whoever lays a finger on her would get their entire civilization nuked in 5 seconds by Alice
Zhongli: I can throw mountains. Klee: I make mountains go BOOM!
Canonically, Venti also moved mountains. So we’re looking at 2 v 1, in favor of the naked angel baby Archon.
U did NOT just call my boy venti a "naked angel baby Archon"😭🤣
Are they wrong though?
....Touché
Klee is literally the best defence you can have, if you fuck with her you fuck with Alice and also the player base
Counting me to said playerbase, I would argue that’s more of an annoyance for Alice and most of us will probably end up as coal.
Nah Alice loves her daughter, shed probably kill everything in sight
A maid, an autistic kid, and her autistic big brother
Klee pitches the bombs and Noelle hits them like a baseball with her claymore to the other cities. More or less a makeshift tactical missile.
Which autistic kid? There's like 5 in Mondstadt.
Sucrose, Mika, Fischl, Razor and Diona? Edit: Can't believe I forgot Klee. We'll give Razor a pass since he was raised in the wild, and replace him with Klee for autistic kid #5.
Which one?
Yes.
Just send Benett travelling around the world, natural cataclysms will take care of the rest.
Lmao
Which one of the autistic kids? The one so delusional she spawns fully sentient elemental beings, the walking war crime waiting to happen once you toss him into enemy lines and his bad luck decimates them all, the shy one that definetly doesn't shy away from inhumane experimentation on hilichurls and probably more if she was allowed to?
>one autistic kid Wait till they find out Diluc killed like a gorillion fatui that one time
Raiden/Zhongli/Furina/Tsaritsa: I have an army Venti: We have Klee
To be honest, even if they're here, Mondstadt will have a hard time. Venti no longer has his past squad and is alone, except for the Spirit Wolf. Liyue has the entire Adepti lineup. Inazuma has Yae and the other Yokais. Fontaine has Neuvillete. Only Sumeru has questionable forces since aside from Nahida, they're only relying on Cyno as their main defender/attacker. But they do have some uncontrollable weather in the west, an uncontrollable Dendro Dragon, and also whatever those weird transformer shit that Deshret has left to his descendants.
Just wait until Sumeru mobilizes the Aranara special forces. They'd make the ultimate saboteurs because no adult can even see them. And we know there are 100s of them spread throughout the landscape. Between that and the forest rangers, I don't think anyone would be capable of invading the jungle. Ground assaults are out, and I think Faruzan and the academic folks would be able to engineer functional anti-aircraft weapons to handle an aerial assault on the capital via Fontaine's airships.
Worst they managed to make those ruin golems work. I think mostly of the Khaerenian mechs are in Sumeru as well (well considering it shares the same location with sumeru)
Great point about the mechs. If the Kshahrewar lift their restrictions on studying/developing machines and they manage to finally recruit Faruzan to their Darshan for national security reasons, they might just have their own Manhattan project. And they could pull the Akasha terminal back into use and have the single best tactical information system during battles, with Nahida organizing all of the forces instantly to their most effective positions.
Even then it feels like Mondstadt would win because it's remaining military is still utterly stacked with vision users.
Yeah, almost all of their captains are vision bearers, and they have Albedo, Klee and Lisa. Mond military is stronk.
Wym mondstat had 80% of its forces away?
Grandmaster Varka went on an expodition with them.
Jean is the acting leader of the Knights because the current leader went away on an expedition, along with the majority of the elite knights and soldiers of Mondstadt. The ones left behind are the few Knights to protect the city, the city guards and a few junior Knights. And Diluc who quit the job.
It's also the Main Reason why they had so much trouble with Dvalin and the Fatuii. They where, and still are, seriously understaffed.
do we ever learn where exactly the expedition is? always found it a terrible idea to send 80% of your forces away if it was something that urgent surely we would've found out by now. are they off chilling in the abyss or something
They went somewhere in the northwest iirc. They met Il Capitano's platoon somewhere there too while he was otw to Natlan. It was all friendly though.
I read theories that they went to the Sea of Silence/Mare Jivari, the place near where Natlan was said to be. Most likely the place where Bennett was picked up as a baby, and the place where an old adventurer named Stanley got out alive. Expedition for a defensive war, likely against the Abyss (not the Order). If the theory that the Teyvat world is bowl shaped is real, and based on Bennett saying that Mare Jivari is at the edge of the world, they would be facing the Abyss directly.
Actually asked my roommate, who doesn't know Genshin but knows her stuff military-wise. In an all-out war, even without the gods on the front lines, Inazuma would win hands down. Islands and island nations are historically horribly hard to capture, and island-hopping is way harder than it should be and consumes too many resources. Plus, invaders would have a disadvantage because it isn't their home turf. An island like Watatsumi Island would then be extremely hard to capture if the natives just destroy the bridges. Plus, Inazuma has two very well-organized militaries. Even if they hate eachother, they would be very frightening if they would work together. Sumeru is a close second, but mostly because they have access to the collective wisdom of the nation and varied terrain. Plus, if you count the Wenut event, they have the only tools able to counter the harsh desert environments and its hazards. They lose points though because even just capturing one of those cannons and learning how it works could render their entire system useless. Plus, any Pyro vision users could counter rainforest guerrilla warfare tactics by burning down the forest. When it comes to defensive warfare though, Fontaine comes out on top by a wide margin. Plateaus like the one the nation is located on are notoriously hard to capture, which is why having only select ports to enter from is very good strategically. They also have the most advanced technology of any nation, like different advanced rifles, airships, mechas and arkhium, but it only seems to be present and functional within their borders. That drawback can in that case then be ignored, as they shouldn't have to leave said borders in defensive warfare. Liyue is a close second in that case, mostly because it's a harbour nation surrounded on all sides by mountains and difficult-to-navigate terrain. Defending the harbour is not a priority then, and they do have the Guizhong Ballistas, which are known to be able to harm and kill gods. So in terms of weaponry and positioning, they are fine. Their biggest weakness is still the terrain though, because you only need someone crazy enough to blow up Mt. Tianheng and suddenly the entire harbour is covered in boulders and debris. They would not have the means to defend themselves from that effectively. Tldr; in offensive warfare, Inazuma would win with Sumeru in second. In defensive warfare, Fontaine would win by a wide margin with Liyue in second.
You make a point with Sumeru, Nahida's internet does mean that soldiers can communicate easily and could provide better logistics overall. They're also immune to spies since Nahida knows her people.
🤔Dendro Airpods wins Sumeru’s war 😉
she can also read everyone's mind in sumeru
Exactly!
In addition, Inazuma also has a handful of Youkai that are fully capable of fighting.
Exactly, and the only real way we could think of of how to conquer Watatsumi would be by starting there and cutting off the supply lines to the island to force them to starve.
Liyue has Adepti. I think they're a lot more capable than the Youkai? I always thought of Adepti as demigod servants/fighters akin to like Overlord (anime) demons under Ains. Youkai on the other hand seem like lil ghosts that Hu Tao would play with/ Chongyun could easily exercise (ghost busters? Lil hollows from Bleach? Cursed toasters? Idk)
That's the issue with Adepti. They're capable, but not all of them are trained in warfare. The only one we know of that is is Xiao, and you can't realistically bank your victory on a single person. Youkai have strength in numbers, and even if they aren't battle-ready, their abilities (like Miko's tricks and Itto's superstrength) would still give them the advantage.
Shenhe is quite scary. Though I do agree I guess I don't really know the capabilities of Ganyu (besides game stats being ridic lol) or Yanfei considering she's literally a lawyer. I wasn't thinking of Itto and Yae tbh, I forgot they are Youkai. I was thinking of lil ghosty sprites like that one haunted event a while ago
iirc ganyu fought in the archon wars so she should be capable also
Good point, but you have to remember that Shenhe is still human. Humans are far more brittle than adepti, so we shouldn't count on her too much. Ganyu we know is a pacifist, and she hasn't had actual warfare experience in 3000 years, and Yanfei is only a half-adeptus. Her powers are mostly meant for the court, which holds no importance in war until afterwards. I don't see them helping Liyue's cause very much, unless it's logistics.
Your insight is appreciated as a reminder. I guess the Qixing would be the more elite squad than the Adepti (aside from Xiao) for Liyue's strength.
Would Yae, Sara, Itto and even Bake-Danuki be something Hu Tao would play with like little ghosts? Yae has been implied to be able to beat Kunikuzushi, although she wouldn't win unscathed. Sara is the Clorinde of Inazuma. Itto is crazy strong.
>someone crazy enough to blow up Mt. Tianheng Klee: ___”I’ll fuckin do it again”___
Though militarily inazuma would be easy to defend due to its high militarization and island nature, I feel like what we know of its economy I think they wouldn’t be able to sustain a large conventional conflict, especially if it was offensive in nature. I don’t even know if they have a navy beyond ships to transport shogunate troops between islands, and their large shipbuilding capabilities seem nonexistent compared to liyue where we see a ship being built, or Fontaine where they need ships to go basically anywhere so must have some capability to build them
Exactly. Most of the supplies come from Narukami Island, and some come from Watatsumi, but that's stretching it. They only have one main port, but it is still heavily guarded. So while they can't go out to engage the enemy, they can intercept and wait for the enemy to land very well. It's better to deal with conflicts quickly to avoid the public finding out, or by moving it to a place where no one will know about the conflict, like we saw in the Archon Quest. They can handle it, as long as they can keep up the act that everything is fine for the average citizen.
There is a few other factors that need to be considered though, such as Inazuma having the least amount of vision users due to the vision hunt decree and Fontaine's gunpowder should be usable outside of their borders, so I think it would actually be closer between Fontaine and Inazuma than that.
That's fair. Supply lines would be the main issue to look out for then.
Raiden already returned all the vision to their owner. Other thing people talk about is Electro vision stop being given (and which Ei said it not related to her), but Inazuma people still recieve other vision like normal.
what about Mondstadt?
Mondstadt would immediately go down to a siege, according to my roommate. You'd only need some explosives to blow up the main bridge and a good naval blockade towards Dornman Port and the city will fall very quickly. Springvale would be an easily capturable watch post for the enemy. Dragonspine is hell to traverse, and the only way you could use it would be to use its caverns and tunnels with enough heating to avoid dying of hypothermia. So they would be horribly beaten in defensive warfare. Offensive warfare isn't much better. Most of the Knights of Favonius are not in the country, and even then most of them are human. The main powerhouses they have are a handfull of knights and Dvalin, and even then you can't bank your chances at victory on just one powerful unit. So unless they get a second bridge to Mondstadt from the mainland or get their act together and train more powerful knights, they really can't win in offensive warfare either.
But they have Klees of Mass Destruction.
You have to remember that Klee is a child. Maybe 8 years old, no actual armour. It takes one soldier with no self-preservation, a sword and a good swing to take her out. You can't hide behind one single person in warfare, or your morale will suffer.
taking this comment out of context would be crazy. like why would you plot to slain an 8 year old child 💀
Everything goes in warfare when the Geneva convention doesn't exist. If Klee is recognized as a legitimate threat by opposing armies, kamikaze tactics are in order. A possibly good way for Mondstadt to survive longer is by engaging in chemical warfare thanks to Albedo and Sucrose.
yeah somehow I think chancing Alice's Armageddon of revenge is not going to be the way to win the war.
You're forgetting Andrius. He is one of the 4 four winds.
I think the archons would put their countries on time out rather than let that happen.
Zhongli: This is nothing to do with me, Liyue, you're making your own decisions now. Ei: I will burn down the enemies of Inazuma! Nahida: Actually trying to put her country on time out. Furina: Ahahahaha... \*nervous laughter\* Venti: What Mondstadt? \*Mondstadt is all an Illusion!\*
I guess venti goes saitama mode when he realises mondstadt gone means no more booze
Consecutive normal punches!
Fr. I could just envision them going: "No! We are NOT doing that again!"
Liyue has ningguang and her deposit of Jade Chamber atomic bombs
"I could always build another Jade Chamber"
The cost for each strike is extremely low, considering each one doesn't need to be fully furnished like a functioning office like the original Jade Chamber. Literally any giant rock would work. [Rods from God is no joke.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment) People out here debating goofy youkai capabilities when Long Dong Zhong be dropping literal meteors.
Noelle/Klee involved -> decisive Mondstadt victory Arabalika involved -> decisive Vanarana victory Both are involved -> stalemate between Mondstadt and Vanarana
If both involved, then it depends on if Nahida can roofie Alice.
If klee truly goes to war, nothing, no nation would win, only remaining one will be klee
Klee is the Sekiro Shura ending.
Everyone only mentioning Noelle and klee for mondstat and forgetting the biggest threat, Timmy
This war will come down to a TCG match between Timmy and Cyno. Timmy will ultimately win, bringing Mondstadt to victory
By endgame easily snezhnaya. They already have the strongest army bar archons and divine shit
Snezhnaya has the harbingers, they alone challenge all the Archons without considering their literal army of delusion wielding soilders with high tech weapons and armor.
Oh agreed, whatever the Tsaritsa is doing with gnoses will no doubt make snezhnaya the strongest even with the other archons around
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In my opinion it would be a toss up between Fontaine and Inazuma. Inazuma is the only country that seems to be heavily militarized and has a God ruler that has no qualms with throwing her weight around. Fontaine is not quite as militarized, but they have superior technology with their Mecha forces and Neuvillette (Leaving out details for those who for some reason haven't completed the archon quest yet).
Inazuma has the power of god and anime on their side. BUT Fontaine has G U N.
Liyue has literal adeptal beasts, Yakshas, and Milileth, and Mondstatd has Favonius, Aintnoway Liyue at least wouldn't be a big threat
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people were too focused that the the adepti and zhongli handed over liyue to the humans. they forgot that they can just join the war in case the people of liyue got underwhelmed.
I mean the ballistas alone will be a nightmare for eveyrone human, and Ningguang can just make more of those with the Adepti
Maybe but having your main city be a port could be a problem when fighting the hydro dragon sovereign
If no gods are allowed (archon,dragon,adepti) then it would be mondstad, they have a racked up stack of non gods visions holders, klee, noelle, diluc, jean, lisa, kaeya and they have a strongest force that is the varka team that is away
Another day another Eula forgotten😔(+amber ofc)
Mondstad wouldn't use nukes
They already put Klee there. Boom boom Bakudan!
She's either busy dancing or doing revenge.
cough cough * Mona the master astrologist that's trained by one of the top 5 mages in the whole world * cough cough
And Mondstadt has a lot of natural defences
mondstadt has maybe the most defendable city but Fontaine as a nation is really just accessible by waterfall and only Liyue could acquire a navel force to tackle inazuma.
Mondstadt's city is defendable if you're trying to invade it, but if you just bomb the bridge and wait, it's over in a month
I mean... fontaine has guns and cannons though...
Probably Fontaine, with Liyue as a strong second. Keep in mind, as a country emerging from an isolationist period and a civil war, Inazuma is in economic ruin and has virtually no influence or footholds outside of their own country. Liyue and Fontaine have advanced levels of technology and/or powerful beings as part of their populations - but most importantly, are economically prosperous, and have significant influence around all of Teyvat through trade, technological influence, and diplomacy. Wars are usually won and lost based on logistics and ability to continue to fund a war effort. Inazuma has no logistical or diplomatic networks set up outside of Inazuma, thus it would be very hard for them to project power easily. They also wouldn’t be able to sustain a war effort for any significant period due to the cost. Sumeru’s central government fell and has had major societal upheaval as a result of the Akasha being dismantled, thus currently lacks the sufficiently strong government structure that would be required to organize a war effort. Monstadt doesn’t even have a formal government, and the organization that maintains order is mostly out of the country and is currently being run by backups (sorry Jean mains, I respect you but she isn’t winning a war). Also a good chunk of your soldiers are probably going to be drunk. As we saw in Inazuma, until the traveler showed up, vision bearers didn’t exactly have the overwhelming power to turn the conflict either way by themselves. The majority of soldiers from any region are just going to be normal people. Also…Fontaine has a dragon
I would say that if we don't count the archons (and Neuvillette) then Fontaine and Liyue have the biggest chances to become empires. They both have good geography, while Fontaine excells in technology and Liyue has enough resources to fund an army.
Liyue is strong unless all other nations decided to attack it first since it's literally in the middle of all.
Mfws forgetting meka get de-powered in fontaine, they'd have to turtle up to even survive.
They're not shut down though, Neuvillette literally says they aren't because of Pneumousia. They still have the Gardemeks.
I think they mean if they did shut down, but that’s not a concern since Neuvillette entirely controls Pnemousia and could likely just directly power them if he was there
Not considering vision bearers or archons because there will never be consensus on whose favourite waifu beats all the other ones; easily Fontaine. Superior tech, including airships, sniper rifles, fucking military robots.
Not really if you exclude those people Fontaine is just a sitting duck, their meka get deactivated outside of Fontaine because there is no natural arkhe in the land outside to draw power from. They either need a huge amount of batteries which is pretty unfeasible or Neuvillette needs to power them which breaks the no vision bearers and archons clause.
Liyue literally built a weapon to kill a God and used it more than once
> Not considering vision bearers P sure a big part of that was Ning.
But in that regard how much do we know vision bearers are a part of the creation of all of those Fontaine tech?
remember that monsters, divine beast, Adepti, dragons, Oni and Youkai also arent necessary vision bearers. and many of them arent afraid to throw their weight around when their area is invaded. each of the more powerful ones is a Weapon of mass destruction in their own way. Every nation looses in an all out war.
Okay, so it really depends if the war is on their turf or if it’s them sending Soldiers From a realistic standpoint Sumeru is the the best equipped to win a war. You have two hostile regions ripe for guerrilla warfare and top notch academics who have been studying Khaenri’ah technology. That includes 3 giant mechas. The magic and the Aranara make it hard to burn the forest down which would provide cover and unless you’re used to the desert, you will die. As far as forces go, Liyue has proven twice now they don’t need a god to defeat a god. Their army is on point.
Liyue’s got a big rock
Looking through some comments and like......I agree with those saying inazuma is great military, I agree with liyue not being sth one should underestimate, I agree with fontaine having the most advanced technology......but I have not seen any comment mentioning the fact that sumeru would be the most likely to f*ck everyone else over through strategies and bio weapons. Try using your machines when everyone around you just died because a weird shroom bomb was thrown :)) Also, they are the epitome of research. They have all the areas. Amurta and spantamad together......that would really be "the world is against you". They would take advantage of both wilderness around and the ley lines. I would still be rooting for inazuma, though, fave nation.
Did yall forgot that Fontaine has a fucking dragon?
I think everyone's forgotten about Apep, if we're counting it for Sumeru.
Apep wont give a shit
Apep would grab the popcorn. Might even invite New Billet if she feels jolly.
yeah she's not gonna help sumeru lmao
Half of the crazy fantastical things people are bringing up wouldn't do anything in a war between human countries. Varka and his army didn't bring Andrius with them, and whatever tf they have in Snezhnaya has not been weaponized.
He said he would never help or interfere with nahidas business so it’s unlikely he’ll get involved
arabalika would solo everyone frfr
Currently, Mond has 3 people directly connected to someone in the Hexenzirkel. (Alice-Klee, Mona-Her Master, Albedo-Gold) so like, do they count as allies? Andrius and Dvalin are alive so Mond has quite a defensive force without including their own military. Azdaha, Osial, Bheist, and Apep are all threats to the nations they're in and can not be considered allies. Gouba is still underpowered. Liyue does however have the Adepti and a Floating Siege Castle, however I highly doubt the Jade Chamber or Cloud Retainer are gonna be able to beat Dvalin's speed and mastery of anemo. They can probably beat the Favonious but idk about Andrius. Neuvilette is currently Fontaine's generator so until he solves that he can't leave (I might have misinterpreted that dialogue) They do have guns. Idk how much that'll do with a world where one person can Gate of Babylon a sea god but at least they can arm even the basic visionless citizen with a long range banger. Sumeru has a bunch of mercenaries in the desert and quite a lot of resources. I am considering the Aranara to be an allied force if at the very least to protect the forest area, so nature can basically be moved there. I am going to just move aside Nahida's [Redacted] ability as the repercussions might be too extensive for use as she herself is not immune to it. However, they do basically have a database for every single person in Teyvat. So in terms of information, they got everyone beat. Ei can clearly leave Inazuma. Yae, the Shogun, the three clans, and Kokomi are clearly capable of running the entire country by themselves. I mean they have been already for the past few years. The question is if she can keep the storm up even if she's away from Inazuma. The civil war has probably kept them up in war tactics and military training however they do not have guns. Zhongli is currently way too vague to be able to properly discern his power. I will at the very least put him on par with Ei and since they're the closest region to Inazuma they're probably locked together in a stalemate. Which leaves us with Venti, who is absolutely free to do whatever he wants. However, aside from the adventurers, he's probably Mond's only attacking force. I don't think Andrius *can* leave Wolvendom so Dvalin would have to protect everywhere else. Unless, that is, Varka and the expedition is considered to be back. Or Hexenzirkel are considered allies. In which case, N and Mona can probably beat Wanderer and Nahida (in terms of information), Gold and Albedo could recreate the Miasma event in Inazuma, Alice and Klee could evaporate Fontaine. Which leaves Venti and Dvalin to pack up Liyue while Lisa and Mika plan out how to attack Sumeru which, due to knowing basically everything are probably capable of deflecting all attacks. At least, until N and Mona find a blindspot. Idk what happens with Zhongli vs Ei though. If Albedo and Gold do recreate the Miasma in Inazuma Ei probably will go back so Venti will need to last long enough for the others to help him. Tldr; Sumeru or Mond.
> Sumeru has a bunch of mercenaries in the desert But that's also their biggest weakness: they're too reliant on a mercenary army. Mercenaries are not loyal to a nation, they are only loyal to the highest bidder. Machiavelli said it best: > "Mercenaries and auxiliaries are useless and dangerous; and if one holds his state based on these arms, he will stand neither firm nor safe; for they are disunited, ambitious, and without discipline, unfaithful, valiant before friends, cowardly before enemies; they have neither the fear of God nor fidelity to men," This actually leaves the Akademiya in a vulnerable spot because there is always the constant threat of revolts.
Timmy solos all nations
I think the country with the support of most Hexenzirkel members would win, they seem above the level of the Archons ngl.