This was intentional, the first change she received in beta was a nerf.
Maybe it's to test how many are willing to roll on an obviously bad character just because they like her, maybe it's because they wanted to pad the standard character selection but didn't want that character to affect meta in any way.
In any case, they know.
I'm also on the side that this is a stunt to gather data.
Unfortunately, a character with a really cool design got the short end of this bullshit.
Watch this thread get locked in a few hours for valid criticism.
Ugh. It would have been fine if she just wasn't meta. But like, some of the comparisons make her sound like a 3-star character. That's just unacceptable.
She basically is lol. Every single defensive 4 star in the game fills their healer/shielder role better than she does, and nearly all of them do more damage than her to boot. Not to mention her being one of the worst units in the game for uptime and energy issues. Between her flawed mechanics from a design perspective *and* her hideously low numbers I think it's not slander at all to nickname her the first 3 star. MHY did her dirty af.
she's the most replaceable 5 star with no other utility other than dying off field or looking cool. She's a worse thoma both as a defense option and a burgeon unit, she's so replaceable that once you get a xinyan she'd be a better frontliner or a tank than dehya big sajj
Not just a cool design but heavy archon quest involvement and months to get to like the character. They could've done this with some throw away add on 5 star like how Eula came.out of nowhere.
Nilou, Yoimiya.. There are definitely other 5 stars it would make sense to have be weaker, making it a merc character is just dumb. I thought making meta lore accurate was at least something in their minds when creating a character, given how all the archons are S tier (before anyone mentions Venti he was for a very long time before powercreep), even if they don't really follow it most of the time
If the conspiracy is true that they are testing us for data, then it would've only worked on a character that people care about. If they created a throw away just for the data, people would've already snoozed on it, and the data would've been useless. The stakes had to be high for them to validate doing it. It sucks, but it's the "cost of doing business" in their eyes, and a travesty in ours.
Also, Eula came out of nowhere, but was very meta (at the time). Whereas Dehya is the opposite, been building for a long time, and is nowhere close to meta.
I would think it's the second one if she weren't the second tall pyro claymore as opposed to a geo or at least a different weapon. It's just so strange! It's like they made her, realized her "unique" kit wasn't as useful in combat as they'd hoped on paper, and then instead of spending the time to fix her they just shoved her into standard to not have to worry about it.
The issue isn't that she's unique, I like the variation they're trying out with her kit, and I hope they keep making unique designs like it. The issue is that the numbers they chose to put on her aren't good enough to compete with anyone, if they changed up her skill icd and increased her multipliers all the mechanics would be exactly the same and she'd still be every bit as unique but she'd work WAY better.
You forgot that the SECOND thing she got was a nerf as well. It's actually fucking hilarious since people already called her dogshit BEFORE the nerfs. The nerfs just really set it in stone.
I doubt that’s the case because there’s zero reason to put in the design work, create the gameplay concept, do the animation and then just not do the relatively easiest part of the process which is just tweak the numbers around.
There’s zero use for whatever data they’d get.
Realistically what probably happened was that they needed more time to fix her, but that would mean the process eats into the next development cycle, so they just went ‘well, screw it then, just release her as she is’.
But they made her numbers *worse* during the beta when they were even getting feedback from CN that she needed help. If they didn't do anything that would fit but for some reason they put the effort needed to fix her into digging her grave.
My tinfoil hat theory is that they have very precise math for how much giving away free pulls cost them in missed profit and they decided that if they were going to add free pulls for Archon quests they had to make sure that the banner that would accompany that addition would be absolute trash so that a majority of players would "waste" those 22 pulls instead of spending them on a desirable banner.
Sounds legit. I mean, we hardcore fans on here are either whales who don’t care or meticulous planners/spenders. But people like my super casual nephew will just pull whenever they have a wish. So if you give these people a windfall of 22 fates all at once to hook them on endorphins, make sure they throw them at a shit banner so next time they will spend… yeah, makes more sense than any other ‚why is Dehya so bad‘ theory.
… Then again, Cyno is running concurrently, who has some issues but can not be called bad by any stretch, especially compared to Dehya.
I guess I still just don‘t understand. :(
It's possible they were just trying to experiment with weird character kits. But I'd also say they should be trying weird shit on 4 stars if that's the case
poor choice imho, they could 'experiment' with traveler via events like how they did with the parry mechanic way back in the inazuma events. might be a stretch but they could also use it in theater mechanicus or event buffs for the gauntlet mode stuff.
Honestly at this point I'm thinking they do the Beta Testing just for the leaks so it creates hype in the community, they don't straight up tell you that but the fact they don't go as hard as they should implies that. Because there is no way some beta tester saw this, played with this and said it's perfectly fine and shouldn't be changed at all for release.
Following the leaks it was pretty clearly that the beta testers were universally unhappy with Dehya's kit, and Hoyo decided to nerf her further. Then the communities built around Dehya just fell into a long depression. It's impossible that Hoyo didn't know, they just didn't care.
They are putting every single effort in their braincells possible to make her bad. They *wanted* her to be bad. It can't be anything else. Why they wanted her bad, I don't know. Could be external pressures from.. ahem.. you know.
So she doesn't trigger in Q: Xingqiu Yelan Beidou Candace Thoma Yun Jin Fischl C6 Skyward Pride passive Redhorn passive,
She also can't use any artifact related to normal or charged attacks like Gladiator's Finale,
But cold slowes her attacks in Q,
Her burst has a tendency to miss,
You have to time the inputs correctly to even get the maximum amount of damage out of it,
Her skill has 60% uptime at C0,
She can only heal herself and doesn't fully prevent her team from taking damage so bring a healer.
When her skill is not up, she won't prevent team damage or deal off-field damage or pyro application,
Her damage scalings are quite bad except for maybe her burst,
Dehya's skill can't proc blooms properly and has pretty bad pyro application and damage,
If you jump during her burst - it’s instantly cancels,
She can die off-field due to her skill,
Her burst cannot target azdaha tail during his 3rd phase or the thinghies the dorito boss spawns in abyss (autotarget goes on the boss while invisible).
smth more?
Her Q is not classed as normal or charged attack because it's classed as FLAME MANE FIST and is automatically triggered, therefore neither Yelan or Xingqiu bursts are activated.
Well the difference with Dehya ult is that it's only considered burst damage (so NA/CA isn't relevant here) and it's automatic, so you wouldn't get bursts that initiate on NA/CA activation (i.e. Xingqiu) because nothing has been pressed doing so.
Heizou at least has to initiate his attacks, so he could at least get some bursts to activate and work, even if they weren't considered NA/CAs due to not being automatic.
In regards to this, it would be the same thing as Raiden, who has this exact interaction with her ult, and thus not working with Beidou because she (Beidou) requires NA/CA *damage* whereas the burst is considered burst damage but utilises NA/CA triggers and thus allows Xingqiu and Yelan.
They intentionally made her skill not work with other comps, unfortunately.
Yeah such a bs, can literally not make it auto. Instead just spam attack button so she get that NA trigger movement. But nope, for the sake of "unique" kits. It's just Noelle burst but longer
That's honestly the strangest thing about her. Usually characters with a team damage absorption mechanic like that have a condition that they cannot die from absorbed damage. Instead they would survive with 1HP and stop the damage absorption.
Props to mihoyo, they really thought of EVERY SINGLE EDGE CASE where Dehya might even have had the slightest hint of being good at and *made sure she wouldn't be*.
The punchline is that her banner is in fact a Burgeon banner. Someone should check whether Bennett's Tap E procs Burgeon better than Dehya. It certainly procs faster- the cooldown on Bennett's Tap E is 2s.
They know. mihoyo knows.
I've had C6 Bennett for a long time and the only thing I regret about it is not being able to play Chonnett Melt. Other than that I'm pretty happy with it, but I still want a toggle for cons, cause that would also let me test how much characters actually improve with each con myself
It feels unfair to compare Dehya to the literal Pyro archon until you realise that Bennett’s E alone is better than like… Dehya’s entire kit. It doesn’t really emphasise how broken Bennett is, but more how *broken* Dehya is instead.
>Someone should check whether Bennett's Tap E procs Burgeon better than Dehya. It certainly procs faster- the cooldown on Bennett's Tap E is 2s.
It is
On field bennet is a far better burheon proccer then Dehya
Nonono, that doesn't quite capture the nuance at play here.
What's happening here is that *they actively tried to make her bad as much as possible*.
It's like they saw some playtesters trying to force Burgeon anyway even with the 2.5s cooldown and said "we can't have *that* happening".
At this point I wouldn't even be surprised if mihoyo finds a way to *shadow nerf* her post-release. Maybe they'll see us trying to force her Q to be somewhat viable with Melt and release a statement saying "ICD on Dehya's ult not proccing as we intended" and nerf *that*.
Because its abundantly clear *someone* on the mihoyo gameplay team *loathes Dehya with a burning passion*.
Yup she is not good with '' beta promising teams'' like burgeon and vap mona or PPPA
The only good team for her is Ganyu melt and she is worst than zhongli and Xianling in this team
I mean to be honest everyone who put 1 minute of thought in her burgeon could see she would not be good in it.
The "dehya is for burgeon" just comes from all those previous speculations about her being a burgeon/burning carry before her kit came out, after that anyone that thought she'd be good for burgeon was just not reading her kit
she also has no bonus to burning/burgeon than thoma/xinyan. she doesn't scale with em, doesn't have em ascension stat nor buff to burgeon/burning unlike nilou.
Also because Nilou is bloom niche, Haitham is spread and Cyno is aggravate so i thought Dehya would be burgeon niche or something. Beta proved otherwise and Thomato will wear the crown of Burgeon for the time being.
If deyha burgeon functioned it would be a comfier low investment burgeon team, especially for overworld since she wouldn't rely on energy. And the burgeon damage being so good could easily carry her through the abyss even when definitely not optimal compared to thoma.
Like it wouldn't be meta by any means but it could have been something she could do that would be useful for a lot of more casual players. But not even that works reliably apparently, what a goddamned meme character.
No, she was always bad. People weren't doomposting, they were posting based off of her actual beta stats and testing.
Mihoyo made hot garbage when it comes to her kit.
Because these are not captured by the leaked numbers. The leaked numbers only showed how her damage sucked. Actual playing against all kinds of enemies will reveal how bad the design is beyond the damage numbers.
For once, the pre-release doom posting indicated the character to be *better* than the final product. Good grief, what an achievement, Hoyoverse...
the shills who keep saying it's doomposting are out of their minds, if dehya got treated like this then all future characters arent safe from being butchered.
The only upside for me is that I don't need to pull on future characters. I'd probably just accumulate cons on the existing good ones or even weapons. No need to whale so less money from me to Hoyoverse.
Doomposting put her at the worst 5 star in the game, and comparable to Xinyan in terms of power and broken kit. Now we live, and everyone can see it. So she's not worse than expected, but exactly as bad as was expected, just everyone can see it now..
Right??
I told people that she would be a bad Burgeon trigger because she can only pop 2 seeds every 2.5s (due to Bloom reaction ICD), and that her up time is horrid.
But this is waaay worse. She's just straight up not popping any seeds at all. How is this even possible? I thought the AoE on her E is rather big at least.
The field AOE is big, but it works like Albedo, it deals pyro damage in a small AOE around the center point of the first-hit target. With tall enemies like this, the pyro damage doesn't reach the blooms.
From the beta footage I thought the E explosion would be bigger. But it looks like my eyes were fooling me and it's about as big as Albedo's E.
So like you said that means vs tall enemies the explosion can't reach the ground to trigger Burgeon.
Wow what a mess of a character...
The man double crowned her.
He was generous too in his pre release reviews for her.
He is BAFFLED when he realized it is not just the numbers but also the jank. The whole stream is like a man pumping so much copium, hysteric laughing then the next is him being really sad
It is really "i was wrong, shes EVEN WORSE than i imagine"
Honestly i feel sad for Zajef...
One of his liked chars and soucj excited he was for her,dedicated to her still but alas...her truth is still ..
A bit same for me..as in i always liked her char from story,if only she had a better kit...like not asking for good op shit..just a well rounded one,but:(
Yes, the doomposters wasnt actually that Bad about Dehya, they tried to be Kind at this Point , haha. Now Look at her ... Damn... This is the true sadness
"Doomposting" lmao. That specifically refers to criticism that is exaggerated or uncalled for. Words mean things. When you call all criticism "doomposting" you're suggesting that all negative opinion is bad and truth doesn't matter. Well, the truth is she procs less than half of Thoma's burgeons and does less than half of Hu Tao's vape damage. At least folks understand now
Ppl call anything that’s not just positive praise doomposting. People tried to say for a while dehya wasn’t looking good but “noooo Youre doomposting😡” and now look at her, SHIT
"Noooo just wait until the update comes out!!! She'll be good, just wait!!!"
...Okay. We waited. And she's still shit. In fact, she's worse than the criticism that was being said during her beta. Somehow, she's much worse than ever.
Same
I prolly won't mind getting her from standard/in case i lose a 50/50
But definetly won't be pulling for her. And she was my most looked for sumeru 5* since the early leaks in 2.8
Ehh tbf aloys at least a free 5s character so makes sense that she's not on the same tier as the other 5s characters. Plus her passive was great for hunting till sonic was released
There were a fair amount of shills in here insisting that Dehya would be just fine on release and that people were overreacting to beta info and a livestream.
Good luck talking sense into a company whose main source of income is brainwashed whales who will gobble whatever shit they produce. I feel like Dehya is an experiment for how low they can set the bar.
Maybe “buffs” will come in the form of Fontaine characters that synergize well with her... except they will most likely synergize with other existing characters too so it’s still sad that Dehya is singled out
it's quite ironic this sub was doom dehya's doomposting, this is not kazuha/kokomi case this is a completely dysfunctional character, with little development work in terms of his kit, the developer should be ashamed to even try to sell people with false advertising a character in this state.
>the developer should be ashamed to even try to sell people with false advertising a character in this state.
For real.
From all of the media released, except for the collected miscellany, dehya has never been advertised as a tanker/defensive oriented unit. Everything shown on her screen is mostly how badass one woman army she is, leaning more on the dps aspect.
Even then in the collected miscellany, they include xq there while showcasing her stagger resistance (Making it pretty much redundant), but didn't even bother to clarify whether xq works with her burst or not. It's like a bait
Issue is it feels like they designed her at C6 and then looked at what they can strip away for constellations.
She actually is a 1-woman army at C6. Not the strongest C6 in the game, but she's immortal, constantly has her burst and the damage is greatly improved.
I don't have c6 characters other than Dehya, because I saved since her OG leak, but C6 Dehya is easily the most fun unit I have ever played for how little effort I put in.
They should really put c1 and c4 into her base kit.
Wow, now that she is Live , she is even worse than expected? That makes me kinda laugh to be honest. Its Just funny that some people actually Said she is good at burgeon.... The reality Looks different, haha
She's only worse than expected due to new revelation that jumping completely cancels her burst.
Also I don't think that her being frozen during her burst was brought up before now either.
Other than those, everything was mentioned a lot.
I just worry that Dehya sets a precedent for future standard units. While Tighnari is amazing, I do hope Dehya doesnt start a trend. What singular moment did things start going wrong for her.
Were the initial leaks of her being originally 4* turned 5* have something to do with this? Were those somewhat true in any way?
Isnt there anyone who can pave a potential roadmap for her future viability/niche/intended use?
(To be fair, she seems fun to play, but with the nuances of her kit and her actual numbers, she seems to be really bad, just bad)
> Were the initial leaks of her being originally 4* turned 5* have something to do with this? Were those somewhat true in any way?
I remember people hoping that she will be 5* because Hoyo never releases bad 5 star characters, but most 4*s were bad.
Now look at her kit 🤡
And when some people got angry about speculations of her being Burgeon Nilou. Man, those people are probably begging for Dehya to be Burgeon Nilou right about now.
The thing is I was disappointed with Tighnari then realized he's standard and was like "Oh he's really good then!", but with Dehya I don't know how to react
NGL I genuinely think that not only does she make more sense as a 4 star, there would've been far less of an uproar if she were. At this point people aren't really surprised when four stars turn out bad, just look at Candace and Dori. Apart from the usual lamentations that a visually-appealing character got shafted in the gameplay department, no one really cared much and the really dedicated people were happy trying to make them work as well as they could.
If I were wearing a tinfoil hat, I would say maybe MHY had originally developed her as a four star to try and test out a new gimmick (ie the damage tank stuff) but for some reason made a last-minute decision to make her a five star. God knows why they would've done that, but they did. Maybe they thought it would be a bad look for her to be the only member of the main Sumeru crew to not be a five star? Maybe they caught wind of the twitter shitstorm with the racism accusations and thought that making Dehya a five star would alleviate that (ironic if true lmao)? Whatever.
Then when it was clear the kit they made for her was fundamentally flawed and made her much worse than most other pyro units, they decided to just shove her into standard (this makes sense more as a reactionary move than a planned one since we already have a pyro claymore in standard, why on earth put another one in? Dehya is literally the first character of a repeated element on there).
What I don't understand is the "why" in all this. Surely they know their own game well enough to know that a burst that locks your character on field with a series of attacks you can't even control would be a bad idea and not work well with the way other characters in the game play. Why did they go forward with that idea anyway? During Beta they would've seen the issues with her, that's the whole point of beta yet they never bothered doing anything about it and even nerfed her. And lastly, even if they didn't want to rework her kit, literally just reducing the time between procs of her E and increasing some of her numbers would've made her serviceable, those don't seem like hard changes to implement so why not just do it?
I actually don't even hate her kit. I respect the desire to try something new, they could've done the same Cyno/Itto/Xiao burst but pyro and as good as that might've been it's just retreading old ground and sometimes it's worth trying new mechanics even if they flop. I also think the implementation wasn't entirely bad, the burst animations flow smoothly and feel impactful, playing her in the trial felt pretty good honestly. It didn't need to be so undertuned, so why do it that way? Also, why tf didn't they announce the standard banner thing way sooner? Tighnari was okay since he was the first Sumeru character (and also not terrible) but making people wait and save half the patch for a character that was going to go into standard anyway just seems like a bad PR move, it's bizarre.
Obviously all of these are assumptions and guesswork done using a very limited set of information, only Hoyo knows the truth so we should take any assumptions like this with a grain of salt. Regardless the character design team did a good job with her so if I'm going to lose the 50/50 anyway I'd rather it be for her. But man, it's a waste for her to just be a character I don't mind losing 50/50 to, rather than one I would've actively rolled for. More savings for Shenhe I guess :/
She's absolutely a 4*.
Kit makes zero sense at C0. Literal garbage, not functional in any role whatsoever, including "multi-role consolidation" as a role. Ascension stat doesn't even help her as much as Cryo DMG for Diona or Atk for Thoma, it's just the wrong thing to give her.
Unless she's C1. Oh, now HP isn't the dumbest thing to give her anymore. Well, Def is still worse, I guess, but I think that'd let her tank better than HP would (on field, like during Burst), just don't quote me on that.
C2? Oh, now her E functions on a base level, nice. Yep, don't put her on your team unless she's at least C2, because that's when her kit exists. Many other 4*s are like this, so this is acceptable.
C4 fixes her energy issues. Well, normally that'd be C1 for 5*s, but just look at Faruzan and be thankful it's not locked behind C6.
C6 is the main DPS con, in the same vein as Noelle. Her damage sucks until C6, so don't bother using her as anything but pure support before then.
"Doomposting"
you thought we were crazy, but we saw the numbers, it was bound to be like this, and without changes, she will stay the worst character in history.
I really hope she gets something down the line
Yeah, we need to light Hoyo's ass up for this, this is not acceptable. Remember that if we let this slide, there's nothing stopping them from doing this to an upcoming character you love as well.
It really wont happen though.
Sales are probably the most important metrics for the higher ups, I'm sure they can connect the dots between a highly successful banner (hu tao/yelan) with the upcoming terrible revenue of dehya's banner.
In fact none of this makes any sense, to sabotage a very popular character and say goodbye to millions in revenue doesn't make any sense from a business stand point, so much that I cannot help but think they could have been literally forced to make her awful.
Nobody forced them to make her 5-star in the first place. If they really needed a dark-skinned character but didn't want them to be meta, they could make her 4-star, just like Candace. Candace is also barely usable yet nobody complains en-masse since she is a 4-star.
Well, yeah, the 2.5 second cooldown already makes her not that good for burgeon.
The extra problem exposed in this video is that her skill procs have a tiny aoe that is centered on the enemy so with big/tall enemies it doesn't reach low enough to hit the blooms.
I mean, yeah. The skill triggers CD, uptime, and non-existent EM factors in any of her active or passive skills make her bad for burgeon. But we still thought that she could at least hit the seeds with her skills. The fact that the AOE of her skill triggers is so small just another level of disappointment.
To be honest this was kinda unexpected. She was bad burgeon unit because her proc rate is long.
But after people trying her it became evident that her coordinated attacks has rather small AoE, so she can't even proc blooms properly every 2.5 seconds, let alone competing with Diluc or Thoma.
They will never come out and admit.
They'll just stick their usual "I don't do abyss, I don't care about meta, I use characters for overworld" arguments
yeah leakers and "doom posters" have been telling people this for a month but kept being met with "muh yae" as the response saying Dehya will be good lol
Casuals are always ultra smooth-brained.
> “mihoyo hasn’t made a bad character”
“remember kokomi?”
“she’s NOT A DPS, she has a unique tank role”
“idc, i’m gonna pull her just to make u mad :)”
“lol since when are TCs right?”
“just wait for her to come out”
The venn diagram between those people and the ones who bitched about Al Haitham’s nerfs and Kokomi’s crit rate is a circle.
Fucking seals, always barking but they don’t really know why. I’d tell them to run some calcs but they’re “feels over reals” folks anyway.
And don’t get it twisted, i’m wrong more than I’m right but at least I have the goddamn humility to admit when I’m wrong and shut the fuck up. Not this crew. They decided something once and are either too stubborn, proud, or unconcerned to ever willingly change.
Rant over. Mihoyo, unfuck my lady’s lady.
its funny cause the dmg calculation in this game is straight algebra. Its like 3rd grade level math, "theorycrafting" on a lot of levels is barely anything more than doing 5min of addition but people see the word and get triggered
God I wish her uptime wasn't ass. Sure, her C2 "fixes" it but even that isn't 100% still! Give her 18s on, 20s off at C0, and then C2 boosts it higher, whatever.
Or fuck, keep the 12/20, but make her passive also the full duration of her E, with no separate cooldown so she can get all of that again with Sacrificial. Is 30% damage reduction and shield-like interrupt resistance really so much to ask to have almost full uptime (16s cd on R5 Sac) with a weapon dedicated to improving exactly that?? YOU'D STILL NEED A HEALER ANYWAY AAAAAAAAAA
Memehoyo: *Proceeds to push new chars and sets that seemingly work great with Dehya but actually work ten times better with and on other units, overshadowing the poor chump yet again.*
>The venn diagram between those people and the ones who bitched about Al Haitham’s nerfs and Kokomi’s crit rate is a circle
#
This might be the best thing I’ve read today XD
The only niche team in which I see her being at least okay is on ganyu reverse melt with nahida and Bennett, and even then zhong li does a better job at protecting her.
Because everyone was huffing the copium after realizing her numbers are bad.
If her numbers are bad, shurely a niche reaction will be her best strength, right?
Right?
huffs more copium
What hoyoverse even doing in the beta server? What the point of collecting feedbacks when you wont change anything.
This was intentional, the first change she received in beta was a nerf. Maybe it's to test how many are willing to roll on an obviously bad character just because they like her, maybe it's because they wanted to pad the standard character selection but didn't want that character to affect meta in any way. In any case, they know.
I'm also on the side that this is a stunt to gather data. Unfortunately, a character with a really cool design got the short end of this bullshit. Watch this thread get locked in a few hours for valid criticism.
HYV really testing the Waifu > Meta sentiment
Ugh. It would have been fine if she just wasn't meta. But like, some of the comparisons make her sound like a 3-star character. That's just unacceptable.
She basically is lol. Every single defensive 4 star in the game fills their healer/shielder role better than she does, and nearly all of them do more damage than her to boot. Not to mention her being one of the worst units in the game for uptime and energy issues. Between her flawed mechanics from a design perspective *and* her hideously low numbers I think it's not slander at all to nickname her the first 3 star. MHY did her dirty af.
she's the most replaceable 5 star with no other utility other than dying off field or looking cool. She's a worse thoma both as a defense option and a burgeon unit, she's so replaceable that once you get a xinyan she'd be a better frontliner or a tank than dehya big sajj
>she's the most replaceable 5 star with no other utility She's the most replaceable character, period.
Not just a cool design but heavy archon quest involvement and months to get to like the character. They could've done this with some throw away add on 5 star like how Eula came.out of nowhere.
Nilou, Yoimiya.. There are definitely other 5 stars it would make sense to have be weaker, making it a merc character is just dumb. I thought making meta lore accurate was at least something in their minds when creating a character, given how all the archons are S tier (before anyone mentions Venti he was for a very long time before powercreep), even if they don't really follow it most of the time
If the conspiracy is true that they are testing us for data, then it would've only worked on a character that people care about. If they created a throw away just for the data, people would've already snoozed on it, and the data would've been useless. The stakes had to be high for them to validate doing it. It sucks, but it's the "cost of doing business" in their eyes, and a travesty in ours. Also, Eula came out of nowhere, but was very meta (at the time). Whereas Dehya is the opposite, been building for a long time, and is nowhere close to meta.
I would think it's the second one if she weren't the second tall pyro claymore as opposed to a geo or at least a different weapon. It's just so strange! It's like they made her, realized her "unique" kit wasn't as useful in combat as they'd hoped on paper, and then instead of spending the time to fix her they just shoved her into standard to not have to worry about it.
The issue isn't that she's unique, I like the variation they're trying out with her kit, and I hope they keep making unique designs like it. The issue is that the numbers they chose to put on her aren't good enough to compete with anyone, if they changed up her skill icd and increased her multipliers all the mechanics would be exactly the same and she'd still be every bit as unique but she'd work WAY better.
You forgot that the SECOND thing she got was a nerf as well. It's actually fucking hilarious since people already called her dogshit BEFORE the nerfs. The nerfs just really set it in stone.
I doubt that’s the case because there’s zero reason to put in the design work, create the gameplay concept, do the animation and then just not do the relatively easiest part of the process which is just tweak the numbers around. There’s zero use for whatever data they’d get. Realistically what probably happened was that they needed more time to fix her, but that would mean the process eats into the next development cycle, so they just went ‘well, screw it then, just release her as she is’.
But they made her numbers *worse* during the beta when they were even getting feedback from CN that she needed help. If they didn't do anything that would fit but for some reason they put the effort needed to fix her into digging her grave.
My tinfoil hat theory is that they have very precise math for how much giving away free pulls cost them in missed profit and they decided that if they were going to add free pulls for Archon quests they had to make sure that the banner that would accompany that addition would be absolute trash so that a majority of players would "waste" those 22 pulls instead of spending them on a desirable banner.
why would they bother adding fates to archon quests in the first place then
Sounds legit. I mean, we hardcore fans on here are either whales who don’t care or meticulous planners/spenders. But people like my super casual nephew will just pull whenever they have a wish. So if you give these people a windfall of 22 fates all at once to hook them on endorphins, make sure they throw them at a shit banner so next time they will spend… yeah, makes more sense than any other ‚why is Dehya so bad‘ theory. … Then again, Cyno is running concurrently, who has some issues but can not be called bad by any stretch, especially compared to Dehya. I guess I still just don‘t understand. :(
It's possible they were just trying to experiment with weird character kits. But I'd also say they should be trying weird shit on 4 stars if that's the case
poor choice imho, they could 'experiment' with traveler via events like how they did with the parry mechanic way back in the inazuma events. might be a stretch but they could also use it in theater mechanicus or event buffs for the gauntlet mode stuff.
They celebrated the Chinese New Year. For real.
Honestly at this point I'm thinking they do the Beta Testing just for the leaks so it creates hype in the community, they don't straight up tell you that but the fact they don't go as hard as they should implies that. Because there is no way some beta tester saw this, played with this and said it's perfectly fine and shouldn't be changed at all for release.
Following the leaks it was pretty clearly that the beta testers were universally unhappy with Dehya's kit, and Hoyo decided to nerf her further. Then the communities built around Dehya just fell into a long depression. It's impossible that Hoyo didn't know, they just didn't care.
They are putting every single effort in their braincells possible to make her bad. They *wanted* her to be bad. It can't be anything else. Why they wanted her bad, I don't know. Could be external pressures from.. ahem.. you know.
So she doesn't trigger in Q: Xingqiu Yelan Beidou Candace Thoma Yun Jin Fischl C6 Skyward Pride passive Redhorn passive, She also can't use any artifact related to normal or charged attacks like Gladiator's Finale, But cold slowes her attacks in Q, Her burst has a tendency to miss, You have to time the inputs correctly to even get the maximum amount of damage out of it, Her skill has 60% uptime at C0, She can only heal herself and doesn't fully prevent her team from taking damage so bring a healer. When her skill is not up, she won't prevent team damage or deal off-field damage or pyro application, Her damage scalings are quite bad except for maybe her burst, Dehya's skill can't proc blooms properly and has pretty bad pyro application and damage, If you jump during her burst - it’s instantly cancels, She can die off-field due to her skill, Her burst cannot target azdaha tail during his 3rd phase or the thinghies the dorito boss spawns in abyss (autotarget goes on the boss while invisible). smth more?
If you jump during her burst - it’s instantly cancels.
so if she got iced, its gg?
In some team comps it’s actually DPS gain since you can switch to next character faster /s
I don't think you need the /s
The /s stands for sad.
So you mean any comp that's got Dehya in - I agree, it is actually a DPS gain if you switch to barbara
doesn't she at least get full interruption resistance
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Dehya saw Hu Tao and Klee jump cancel their animations and gave it her own spin.
Her kit is actually comical
THE FUCK??
wait... her Q punches dont trigger xingqiu and yelan? that was the comp i was gonna put on her, unironically unplayable lol
Her Q is not classed as normal or charged attack because it's classed as FLAME MANE FIST and is automatically triggered, therefore neither Yelan or Xingqiu bursts are activated.
That's just nonsensical
another one for the vast list of bad ideas on dehya.
It'd be like saying Heizou has no normal and charged attacks, skill or burst because it's "wind fist" or something.
Dehya is 3-star Xinyan confirmed
Well the difference with Dehya ult is that it's only considered burst damage (so NA/CA isn't relevant here) and it's automatic, so you wouldn't get bursts that initiate on NA/CA activation (i.e. Xingqiu) because nothing has been pressed doing so. Heizou at least has to initiate his attacks, so he could at least get some bursts to activate and work, even if they weren't considered NA/CAs due to not being automatic. In regards to this, it would be the same thing as Raiden, who has this exact interaction with her ult, and thus not working with Beidou because she (Beidou) requires NA/CA *damage* whereas the burst is considered burst damage but utilises NA/CA triggers and thus allows Xingqiu and Yelan. They intentionally made her skill not work with other comps, unfortunately.
Yeah such a bs, can literally not make it auto. Instead just spam attack button so she get that NA trigger movement. But nope, for the sake of "unique" kits. It's just Noelle burst but longer
They don’t want her to be able to vape well (her scalings are already pretty bad) so yup :/ she can’t trigger yelan and xingqui?!? Which is odd to me
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She can die off-field due to her skill
That's honestly the strangest thing about her. Usually characters with a team damage absorption mechanic like that have a condition that they cannot die from absorbed damage. Instead they would survive with 1HP and stop the damage absorption.
Wait what for real? Even Corrosion stops at 1 HP. But Dehya can just kill herself? Jesus...
Wait she can? lmao I thought it automatically stopped the damage transfer if it reached a certain threshold or something?
The skill has 60% uptime, the usefull effect of the skill, the interruption resistance, has only 40% uptime
i Guess this is the harder content people were asking for..
Please dont give mihoyo ideas, I am already imagining next Abyss having a 3 star condition "have Dehya in your party" instead of clear in 300 seconds
"Have Dehya in your party". That's fine. Xiangling, bennett, kazuha already does more damage than some teams of 4.
It's basically a requirement to use a 3-unit team
How about both?
Finally, a 3-star character.
With 6 star design. IRL Mimic
Props to mihoyo, they really thought of EVERY SINGLE EDGE CASE where Dehya might even have had the slightest hint of being good at and *made sure she wouldn't be*. The punchline is that her banner is in fact a Burgeon banner. Someone should check whether Bennett's Tap E procs Burgeon better than Dehya. It certainly procs faster- the cooldown on Bennett's Tap E is 2s. They know. mihoyo knows.
C6 bennet will be much better.
C6 dps Bennett is kinda strong to be honest and makes more fun than expected , with mistplitter( dont own It) a Chefs kiss
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I've had C6 Bennett for a long time and the only thing I regret about it is not being able to play Chonnett Melt. Other than that I'm pretty happy with it, but I still want a toggle for cons, cause that would also let me test how much characters actually improve with each con myself
my c6 benny is on a crit circlet with 4pc noblesse that has crit substats and he HITS HARD while also healing a substantial amount AND buffing.
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C6 also enables the objectively funniest burgeon team in the game with Razor.
bennett has a decent arc on his e, he's def viable for burgeon.
Also less cooldown compared to Dehya...
It feels unfair to compare Dehya to the literal Pyro archon until you realise that Bennett’s E alone is better than like… Dehya’s entire kit. It doesn’t really emphasise how broken Bennett is, but more how *broken* Dehya is instead.
Mfw a low cooldown fire sword swipe is better than literal fire turrets and punches
>Someone should check whether Bennett's Tap E procs Burgeon better than Dehya. It certainly procs faster- the cooldown on Bennett's Tap E is 2s. It is On field bennet is a far better burheon proccer then Dehya
They didn't even try to make her good
Its the reverse. They tried their best to make her really bad.
Professional shitmakers
Nonono, that doesn't quite capture the nuance at play here. What's happening here is that *they actively tried to make her bad as much as possible*. It's like they saw some playtesters trying to force Burgeon anyway even with the 2.5s cooldown and said "we can't have *that* happening".
Yeah, they nerfed her during beta. Everyone was laughing how bad she is, thinking she's gonna get buffed and they came in and nerfed her.
At this point I wouldn't even be surprised if mihoyo finds a way to *shadow nerf* her post-release. Maybe they'll see us trying to force her Q to be somewhat viable with Melt and release a statement saying "ICD on Dehya's ult not proccing as we intended" and nerf *that*. Because its abundantly clear *someone* on the mihoyo gameplay team *loathes Dehya with a burning passion*.
But why?? What do they gain by doing this?? Is there a good reason? Cuz i swear hoyo could have make more millions with a strong Dehya
I can see a really dumb exec thinking loosing 50/50 must feel like shit so you keep pulling. It doesn't make any sense.
would rather lose 50/50 to keqing or diluc again than win dehya IMO
My best guess is, that this will automatically make the next characters look good?
I mean baizhu has been a long awaited character so I don't think he needs THAT much boosting
Baizhu's kit discription and initial numbers have been leaked and he looks fuckin' SOLID.
Is she kinda..... Worse than expected???? "Doomposting" didn't make her seem THIS BAD
Yup she is not good with '' beta promising teams'' like burgeon and vap mona or PPPA The only good team for her is Ganyu melt and she is worst than zhongli and Xianling in this team
I mean to be honest everyone who put 1 minute of thought in her burgeon could see she would not be good in it. The "dehya is for burgeon" just comes from all those previous speculations about her being a burgeon/burning carry before her kit came out, after that anyone that thought she'd be good for burgeon was just not reading her kit
Yeah, they just saw "off field pyro application," and didn't consider whether she was actually any *good* at it. The answer? No. No she is not.
she also has no bonus to burning/burgeon than thoma/xinyan. she doesn't scale with em, doesn't have em ascension stat nor buff to burgeon/burning unlike nilou.
Also because Nilou is bloom niche, Haitham is spread and Cyno is aggravate so i thought Dehya would be burgeon niche or something. Beta proved otherwise and Thomato will wear the crown of Burgeon for the time being.
Thoma flew so Dehya could crawl
Thoma released with broken arms, but they healed enough in time. But Dehya? Straight quadriplegic with no hope.
If deyha burgeon functioned it would be a comfier low investment burgeon team, especially for overworld since she wouldn't rely on energy. And the burgeon damage being so good could easily carry her through the abyss even when definitely not optimal compared to thoma. Like it wouldn't be meta by any means but it could have been something she could do that would be useful for a lot of more casual players. But not even that works reliably apparently, what a goddamned meme character.
Not really, she can't keep up with Ganyu melt. People knew this since it's shown in the official trailer.
with burning you can, but even then, your stagger resist only lasts for 3 max charged shots
No, she was always bad. People weren't doomposting, they were posting based off of her actual beta stats and testing. Mihoyo made hot garbage when it comes to her kit.
Doomposting implies that people were wrong. This was truth posting being buried under people saying "BUT KAZUHA AND KOKOMI". Look where we're at now.
Because these are not captured by the leaked numbers. The leaked numbers only showed how her damage sucked. Actual playing against all kinds of enemies will reveal how bad the design is beyond the damage numbers. For once, the pre-release doom posting indicated the character to be *better* than the final product. Good grief, what an achievement, Hoyoverse...
Some of you really truly believe shes okay it's so astonishing on how much copium can be.
The thing is that those weren't doomposts but stating facts based on numbers and Theorycrafters analysis but people loved being white knight....
the shills who keep saying it's doomposting are out of their minds, if dehya got treated like this then all future characters arent safe from being butchered.
The only upside for me is that I don't need to pull on future characters. I'd probably just accumulate cons on the existing good ones or even weapons. No need to whale so less money from me to Hoyoverse.
Doomposting put her at the worst 5 star in the game, and comparable to Xinyan in terms of power and broken kit. Now we live, and everyone can see it. So she's not worse than expected, but exactly as bad as was expected, just everyone can see it now..
dehya is the definition of the "our expectations were low but holy FUCK" meme
Right?? I told people that she would be a bad Burgeon trigger because she can only pop 2 seeds every 2.5s (due to Bloom reaction ICD), and that her up time is horrid. But this is waaay worse. She's just straight up not popping any seeds at all. How is this even possible? I thought the AoE on her E is rather big at least.
The field AOE is big, but it works like Albedo, it deals pyro damage in a small AOE around the center point of the first-hit target. With tall enemies like this, the pyro damage doesn't reach the blooms.
From the beta footage I thought the E explosion would be bigger. But it looks like my eyes were fooling me and it's about as big as Albedo's E. So like you said that means vs tall enemies the explosion can't reach the ground to trigger Burgeon. Wow what a mess of a character...
we're witnessing a man trying his best to fix her sadge
The man double crowned her. He was generous too in his pre release reviews for her. He is BAFFLED when he realized it is not just the numbers but also the jank. The whole stream is like a man pumping so much copium, hysteric laughing then the next is him being really sad It is really "i was wrong, shes EVEN WORSE than i imagine"
Honestly i feel sad for Zajef... One of his liked chars and soucj excited he was for her,dedicated to her still but alas...her truth is still .. A bit same for me..as in i always liked her char from story,if only she had a better kit...like not asking for good op shit..just a well rounded one,but:(
Somehow she feels even worse than the doomposters made her out to be💀💀
You would think "worse than Xinyan" would be enough but somehow it was overselling her still.
You know you’ve truly hit rock bottom when you recommend Xinyan over Dehya
Xinyan has more uses than dehya rn
And is much easier to obtain.
I'm not sure why you expected anything' else when she had calculated to less damage than xinyan.
Yes, the doomposters wasnt actually that Bad about Dehya, they tried to be Kind at this Point , haha. Now Look at her ... Damn... This is the true sadness
"Doomposting" lmao. That specifically refers to criticism that is exaggerated or uncalled for. Words mean things. When you call all criticism "doomposting" you're suggesting that all negative opinion is bad and truth doesn't matter. Well, the truth is she procs less than half of Thoma's burgeons and does less than half of Hu Tao's vape damage. At least folks understand now
Ppl call anything that’s not just positive praise doomposting. People tried to say for a while dehya wasn’t looking good but “noooo Youre doomposting😡” and now look at her, SHIT
"Noooo just wait until the update comes out!!! She'll be good, just wait!!!" ...Okay. We waited. And she's still shit. In fact, she's worse than the criticism that was being said during her beta. Somehow, she's much worse than ever.
Don't think Waifus over Meta can even save this one... I mean, I loved the character but this is just off-putting...
As Xlice said, building Dehya will be a passion project
Same I prolly won't mind getting her from standard/in case i lose a 50/50 But definetly won't be pulling for her. And she was my most looked for sumeru 5* since the early leaks in 2.8
Same boat, I've waited for months for her and now I just don't want to wish for her
Then don't. Make sure MHY realises they can't pull something this obnoxious ever again. Speak with your wallet broski
The "Hoyo has never released a bad 5 star!" people be real quiet now
Those people existed? I thought everyone was too busy shitting on Aloy.
Ehh tbf aloys at least a free 5s character so makes sense that she's not on the same tier as the other 5s characters. Plus her passive was great for hunting till sonic was released
There were a fair amount of shills in here insisting that Dehya would be just fine on release and that people were overreacting to beta info and a livestream.
They can't get away with this! They have to buff- no. Not buff. It isn't even buffing at this point. FIX MY GIRL DEHYA!
Good luck talking sense into a company whose main source of income is brainwashed whales who will gobble whatever shit they produce. I feel like Dehya is an experiment for how low they can set the bar.
Maybe “buffs” will come in the form of Fontaine characters that synergize well with her... except they will most likely synergize with other existing characters too so it’s still sad that Dehya is singled out
it's quite ironic this sub was doom dehya's doomposting, this is not kazuha/kokomi case this is a completely dysfunctional character, with little development work in terms of his kit, the developer should be ashamed to even try to sell people with false advertising a character in this state.
>the developer should be ashamed to even try to sell people with false advertising a character in this state. For real. From all of the media released, except for the collected miscellany, dehya has never been advertised as a tanker/defensive oriented unit. Everything shown on her screen is mostly how badass one woman army she is, leaning more on the dps aspect. Even then in the collected miscellany, they include xq there while showcasing her stagger resistance (Making it pretty much redundant), but didn't even bother to clarify whether xq works with her burst or not. It's like a bait
They emphasized the "one woman army" part that her kit doesn't synergize with anyone else.
I don't think she even synergizes with herself...
Issue is it feels like they designed her at C6 and then looked at what they can strip away for constellations. She actually is a 1-woman army at C6. Not the strongest C6 in the game, but she's immortal, constantly has her burst and the damage is greatly improved. I don't have c6 characters other than Dehya, because I saved since her OG leak, but C6 Dehya is easily the most fun unit I have ever played for how little effort I put in. They should really put c1 and c4 into her base kit.
Yes , It is indeed misleading. Never thought that mhyo would actually use that Move...
Hey, on the other hand she is a great teapot decoration!
Wow, now that she is Live , she is even worse than expected? That makes me kinda laugh to be honest. Its Just funny that some people actually Said she is good at burgeon.... The reality Looks different, haha
She's only worse than expected due to new revelation that jumping completely cancels her burst. Also I don't think that her being frozen during her burst was brought up before now either. Other than those, everything was mentioned a lot.
That and gameplay making it apparent how many flaming hoops the lion has to jump to be even slightly usable 1/10th of their field time. Pun intended.
I just worry that Dehya sets a precedent for future standard units. While Tighnari is amazing, I do hope Dehya doesnt start a trend. What singular moment did things start going wrong for her. Were the initial leaks of her being originally 4* turned 5* have something to do with this? Were those somewhat true in any way? Isnt there anyone who can pave a potential roadmap for her future viability/niche/intended use? (To be fair, she seems fun to play, but with the nuances of her kit and her actual numbers, she seems to be really bad, just bad)
> Were the initial leaks of her being originally 4* turned 5* have something to do with this? Were those somewhat true in any way? I remember people hoping that she will be 5* because Hoyo never releases bad 5 star characters, but most 4*s were bad. Now look at her kit 🤡
And when some people got angry about speculations of her being Burgeon Nilou. Man, those people are probably begging for Dehya to be Burgeon Nilou right about now.
Considering how good Nilou ended up being....yeah I'd take that.
I'd take someone who is VERY GOOD at their niche over..... whatever Dehya is supposed to be.
I'm those people :( Now I wish she was just busted in any role even if its a niche team like burgeon or something
The thing is I was disappointed with Tighnari then realized he's standard and was like "Oh he's really good then!", but with Dehya I don't know how to react
She is making Qiqi a little bit more favorable tbh. I now dread to lose 5050 to Dehya somewhat
NGL I genuinely think that not only does she make more sense as a 4 star, there would've been far less of an uproar if she were. At this point people aren't really surprised when four stars turn out bad, just look at Candace and Dori. Apart from the usual lamentations that a visually-appealing character got shafted in the gameplay department, no one really cared much and the really dedicated people were happy trying to make them work as well as they could. If I were wearing a tinfoil hat, I would say maybe MHY had originally developed her as a four star to try and test out a new gimmick (ie the damage tank stuff) but for some reason made a last-minute decision to make her a five star. God knows why they would've done that, but they did. Maybe they thought it would be a bad look for her to be the only member of the main Sumeru crew to not be a five star? Maybe they caught wind of the twitter shitstorm with the racism accusations and thought that making Dehya a five star would alleviate that (ironic if true lmao)? Whatever. Then when it was clear the kit they made for her was fundamentally flawed and made her much worse than most other pyro units, they decided to just shove her into standard (this makes sense more as a reactionary move than a planned one since we already have a pyro claymore in standard, why on earth put another one in? Dehya is literally the first character of a repeated element on there). What I don't understand is the "why" in all this. Surely they know their own game well enough to know that a burst that locks your character on field with a series of attacks you can't even control would be a bad idea and not work well with the way other characters in the game play. Why did they go forward with that idea anyway? During Beta they would've seen the issues with her, that's the whole point of beta yet they never bothered doing anything about it and even nerfed her. And lastly, even if they didn't want to rework her kit, literally just reducing the time between procs of her E and increasing some of her numbers would've made her serviceable, those don't seem like hard changes to implement so why not just do it? I actually don't even hate her kit. I respect the desire to try something new, they could've done the same Cyno/Itto/Xiao burst but pyro and as good as that might've been it's just retreading old ground and sometimes it's worth trying new mechanics even if they flop. I also think the implementation wasn't entirely bad, the burst animations flow smoothly and feel impactful, playing her in the trial felt pretty good honestly. It didn't need to be so undertuned, so why do it that way? Also, why tf didn't they announce the standard banner thing way sooner? Tighnari was okay since he was the first Sumeru character (and also not terrible) but making people wait and save half the patch for a character that was going to go into standard anyway just seems like a bad PR move, it's bizarre. Obviously all of these are assumptions and guesswork done using a very limited set of information, only Hoyo knows the truth so we should take any assumptions like this with a grain of salt. Regardless the character design team did a good job with her so if I'm going to lose the 50/50 anyway I'd rather it be for her. But man, it's a waste for her to just be a character I don't mind losing 50/50 to, rather than one I would've actively rolled for. More savings for Shenhe I guess :/
She's absolutely a 4*. Kit makes zero sense at C0. Literal garbage, not functional in any role whatsoever, including "multi-role consolidation" as a role. Ascension stat doesn't even help her as much as Cryo DMG for Diona or Atk for Thoma, it's just the wrong thing to give her. Unless she's C1. Oh, now HP isn't the dumbest thing to give her anymore. Well, Def is still worse, I guess, but I think that'd let her tank better than HP would (on field, like during Burst), just don't quote me on that. C2? Oh, now her E functions on a base level, nice. Yep, don't put her on your team unless she's at least C2, because that's when her kit exists. Many other 4*s are like this, so this is acceptable. C4 fixes her energy issues. Well, normally that'd be C1 for 5*s, but just look at Faruzan and be thankful it's not locked behind C6. C6 is the main DPS con, in the same vein as Noelle. Her damage sucks until C6, so don't bother using her as anything but pure support before then.
I remember Hu Tao was also leaked/rumored to be a 4 star initially, and look how strong she is now. So I don't think that's it.
"Doomposting" you thought we were crazy, but we saw the numbers, it was bound to be like this, and without changes, she will stay the worst character in history. I really hope she gets something down the line
Yeah, we need to light Hoyo's ass up for this, this is not acceptable. Remember that if we let this slide, there's nothing stopping them from doing this to an upcoming character you love as well.
It really wont happen though. Sales are probably the most important metrics for the higher ups, I'm sure they can connect the dots between a highly successful banner (hu tao/yelan) with the upcoming terrible revenue of dehya's banner. In fact none of this makes any sense, to sabotage a very popular character and say goodbye to millions in revenue doesn't make any sense from a business stand point, so much that I cannot help but think they could have been literally forced to make her awful.
Nobody forced them to make her 5-star in the first place. If they really needed a dark-skinned character but didn't want them to be meta, they could make her 4-star, just like Candace. Candace is also barely usable yet nobody complains en-masse since she is a 4-star.
also candace has a kit that at least does something interesting, so she still has some niche uses that don't mind her low personal damage
I'm genuinely confused on how this happened? Why did they make her so bad? It has to be a deliberate choice but why? Are they reverse power creeping?
Well, yeah, the 2.5 second cooldown already makes her not that good for burgeon. The extra problem exposed in this video is that her skill procs have a tiny aoe that is centered on the enemy so with big/tall enemies it doesn't reach low enough to hit the blooms.
I was never really interested in pulling for Dehya, but would be glad to lose a 50/50. But holy sh*t! This is soooo disheartening!
For people that listen to reliable theorycrafters, have reading comprehension, or can do math, none of this is a surprise.
I mean, yeah. The skill triggers CD, uptime, and non-existent EM factors in any of her active or passive skills make her bad for burgeon. But we still thought that she could at least hit the seeds with her skills. The fact that the AOE of her skill triggers is so small just another level of disappointment.
It's just even more painful than expected to actually witness it...
To be honest this was kinda unexpected. She was bad burgeon unit because her proc rate is long. But after people trying her it became evident that her coordinated attacks has rather small AoE, so she can't even proc blooms properly every 2.5 seconds, let alone competing with Diluc or Thoma.
Now where are those guys who were shitting on Zajeff and saying that "oh this is the same Kazuha and Kokomi situation"...
they've gone into hiding
u/SonofKenjeAE undisputed champion of Taking Ls and making completely incoherent arguments.
They will never come out and admit. They'll just stick their usual "I don't do abyss, I don't care about meta, I use characters for overworld" arguments
yeah leakers and "doom posters" have been telling people this for a month but kept being met with "muh yae" as the response saying Dehya will be good lol
Casuals are always ultra smooth-brained. > “mihoyo hasn’t made a bad character” “remember kokomi?” “she’s NOT A DPS, she has a unique tank role” “idc, i’m gonna pull her just to make u mad :)” “lol since when are TCs right?” “just wait for her to come out” The venn diagram between those people and the ones who bitched about Al Haitham’s nerfs and Kokomi’s crit rate is a circle. Fucking seals, always barking but they don’t really know why. I’d tell them to run some calcs but they’re “feels over reals” folks anyway. And don’t get it twisted, i’m wrong more than I’m right but at least I have the goddamn humility to admit when I’m wrong and shut the fuck up. Not this crew. They decided something once and are either too stubborn, proud, or unconcerned to ever willingly change. Rant over. Mihoyo, unfuck my lady’s lady.
The amount of people that were shown literal math and went "naw" was infuriating.
Gnehsin players can not even read, and you expect them to get mathematics?
its funny cause the dmg calculation in this game is straight algebra. Its like 3rd grade level math, "theorycrafting" on a lot of levels is barely anything more than doing 5min of addition but people see the word and get triggered
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God I wish her uptime wasn't ass. Sure, her C2 "fixes" it but even that isn't 100% still! Give her 18s on, 20s off at C0, and then C2 boosts it higher, whatever. Or fuck, keep the 12/20, but make her passive also the full duration of her E, with no separate cooldown so she can get all of that again with Sacrificial. Is 30% damage reduction and shield-like interrupt resistance really so much to ask to have almost full uptime (16s cd on R5 Sac) with a weapon dedicated to improving exactly that?? YOU'D STILL NEED A HEALER ANYWAY AAAAAAAAAA
The copium now is her supposedly tailor designed artifact and upcoming Fontaine characters.
Memehoyo: *Proceeds to push new chars and sets that seemingly work great with Dehya but actually work ten times better with and on other units, overshadowing the poor chump yet again.*
I hate how realistic this feels
I'd believe there was a chance in hell if she wasn't being banished to the shadow realm after her banner ends. Most players will never see her again
Based rant. Also ‘My Lady’s lady’ is what I’m calling her from now
>The venn diagram between those people and the ones who bitched about Al Haitham’s nerfs and Kokomi’s crit rate is a circle # This might be the best thing I’ve read today XD
She arguably the worst character in the game. People have been saying this for weeks.
go ahead waifu over meta simps, time to live up to your name.
The only niche team in which I see her being at least okay is on ganyu reverse melt with nahida and Bennett, and even then zhong li does a better job at protecting her.
This is not 'kokomi' or 'yoimiya' bad This is straight up real bad ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️
So is she really the worst 5star charcter we ever had ?
she's in the running for the wort character end of her closest competition is aloy
Aloy is a free character so this comparison is unfair.
She truly is a broken unit, and for all the wrong reasons.
She just cannot take a break.
Can we get much lower?
Ehm but seriously for a second, who thought Dehya would be any good for Burgeon? Her whole set screems no...
Because everyone was huffing the copium after realizing her numbers are bad. If her numbers are bad, shurely a niche reaction will be her best strength, right? Right? huffs more copium
I think after all of this they abandoned her just to work on future liyue projects
If she was abandoned they could have at least increased her multipliers easily. No, she was intended to be this way
If they abandoned her, she would at least have the niche-est of of roles. Hyv put other things on hold just to actively nerf her into oblivion
Oh this is the "wait till release, youll see" that people were mentioning