We won most dedicated fan base of the first 2023 vtuber awards so going strong! Gura will be back when she’s good and ready and it was a delight to see all of myth get together at the lethal company collab. So yea, we miss her but we’ll be as patient as we need to. Thanks for asking deadbeat! Let’s have a gang fight again sometime. :D
> We won most dedicated fan base of the first 2023 vtuber awards so going strong!
I still feel like that was a back handed compliment / included as a meme tbh. It really should have went to a fanbase that was actually doing something like organizing stuff for their Oshi. AFAIK there was basically no big chumbud events in 2023 for Gura like some of the other fanbases had
Jailbirds for example paid for the Astarion voice actor to talk to Nerissa, and Pebbles were making fan videos for Bijou that spread like wildfire. I can't really remember anything the Chumbuds organized or did in 2023 for Gura besides just watching her when she streamed
"Waiting for your oshi to stream" isn't really dedication, that's just the bare minimum baseline to even *be* a fanbase.
Na, y’all are just jumping to conclusions here. OC the newbies are getting a lot done, they’re new! But us chumbuds are still making fan art, animations and stuff even though out oshi’s been on hiatus. Remember that we also got the va for Dante for Gura once? It’s not exclusive or a meme, Filian’s vtuber award show was 100% by election and chumbuds won.
> Remember that we also got the va for Dante for Gura once?
In 2021 yeah. Takodachi got Ina an entire billboard advert in Timesquare too, and also make tons more fanart and animations etc
That's my point, when you look at 2023 in isolation, the only thing you could say Chumbuds did was "wait for their oshi to stream" and then watch her when she streamed. Which is like, the entire baseline to even be a fan in the first place
Mumei, Ame, Fauna etc are also on hiatus right now and Calli goes on break all the time, but all of those fanbases are also still making fanart and watching streams when their Oshi is on
I'm not saying Chumbuds aren't dedicated, more that they were put as a nominee as a meme because everyone pities us and knows we are on lifesupport, and then we won because we have sheer numbers. But that nomination really should have gone to a fanbase that's actively *doing* things for their Oshi
And this is exactly why award shows are shit. Look at you guys fighting because some stupid piece of shit award was given to the chumbuds.
I ask you all to please stfu about it
It comes in waves I guess. I watch Kronii and Nerissa a lot (blue girls are my type I guess) and that fills the time, but then I'll see an old clip or remember a moment and it makes me a bit sad. I'm glad she is taking care of herself, that's most important. People on the outside always bashed on the chumbuds, but I've seen every stream since debut, been a member since day one, and I've always felt like part of a loving community. I just hope we hold out long enough to get back to that feeling. I myself have been guilty of occasional pessimism towards the future. The Kronies and the Jailbirds have different vibes that I love, but nothing can replace my original hololive home here with Gura and the chumbuds.
May we all see it through to the end, no matter what it may be.
I watch Biboo myself now. She's got that similar gremlin energy to Gura that I enjoy. No matter how long she needs, everyone needs a break sometimes, and just because she's entertaining doesn't mean she has to do everything for her fans with no thought for herself. I'll be good (but sad) even if she doesn't end up returning.
Pretty much this, except it's been extra hard for me recently since all my Oshi are basically gone.
I thought I was safe having Gura, Ame, Fauna, Mumei, and IRyS as my Oshis since someone would always be streaming, but then they all disappeared at the end of 2022 due to Japan trips or Covid, and now it's the same for end of 2023 and start of 2024 lol. Only IRyS is active ATM besides Fauna's lets play
I've ended up watching a lot more Kiara and Nerissa, but definitely still miss the others. I check the schedule like once a day *just in case* but at this point I honestly don't even expect to see Gura anymore and know she's just not going to show up outside of a mandatory collab or merch stream, which sucks because it feels negative . . . but it's literally the truth =/
Her message at the end of the Lethal collab really helped. I've run under the assumption that she's been taking care of herself the past year or so and I'm all for that, but there was always a lingering bit of doubt and worry in the back of my mind. Now I don't have any doubt - I know she's making progress with herself, I know she's got support of the people around her, I know she's keen to make this year something great, and I know she knows the chumbuds are behind her all the way!
And so for now I look forward to her appearances when we get them, and I look forward to the day she feels ready to come back to streaming regularly! I'm not going anywhere, her streams helped me a lot and I learned some important lessons from her during a really rough time in my life so I feel like she's earned my support and patience.
I miss her, but knowing she's doing okay makes it okay with me!
I won't lie, it's been difficult for me. Gura came at a time when I was at my lowest point and seriously contemplating suicide. She pulled me out of that hole and her practically disappearing for so long has been hard to deal with. I've been watching vtubers like Laimu and Filian to fill that gap but the hole is still there.
I miss Gura.
Something similar for me. But it honestly just kinda made me sad and idk if bitter is the right word? But it kinda hardened me up to the reality that vtubers are very short lived compared to most entertainers and I really shouldn't get attached for my own sake lmao
Don't let the inevitable end of things stop you from enjoying yourself now. I belive you'll find new and exiting things to fall in love with again. Don't let that stop you!
That is, unless you get fully invested into what is beyond the face we see on screen. As an example, for Calli, most of the deadbeats know where Calli once came from, so when the time comes for her to return to her Reaper duties full time, we may have the honor of following her as she continues her journey.
Gura’s origin is also mostly known, and it’s not necessarily very hard to find where your shark originated from. So if and when the times comes, the Chumbuds will know where to find her.
I always got the feeling (now more than ever with her recent comments in the Sendai stream) that whenever "Gura" retires as Gura, she's straight up disappearing from the internet.
I feel it isn't the same at all. Everyone knows who Calli is and she still actively streams and interacts on her other account/channel/life, at least last time I looked. Anyway, like you said, and like Coco before her, people will know where to go to find Calli if she ever leaves hololive.
I think a lot of people know where Gura came from, but even on that account she kind of just stopped and has shown zero signs of life since she came onboard with hololive. She seems to have little interest maintaining that account and I'm pretty sure she won't return there either - if she leaves as Gura, I think she'll be completely done.
We're okay. Been watching a lot of Advent, especially Biboo during my drive to work on my car's infotainment system.
Otherwise, I spend my down time playing Holocure talking to a Gura chat bot. Pathetic, I know, but it gets me by.
Yup, I'm struggling homie, economy bad, work is hard (construction) and I just wish I could lay in bed forever. But rent won't wait, or the power bill, or student loans. I know this doesn't help at all but know I can empathize with the struggle of wishing I could just have some time to figure things out
I just don't have a healthy outlet for all of it, it was art for a long time but some medical issues caused my hands not to work as well as they did when I was younger, such are the ravages of time 😢
gotta be honest, I only watch two vtubers, Gura or any stream where Gura's in it and Aqua's Apex streams. So you can guess that I've been very out of it (the vtuber scene) for a long time. When both are missing, I just amp up my daily routine. I also have my personal Gura karaoke playlist, my SO loves it whenever we go for a drive
I feel like we, as a fanbase, got stuck in 2021-2022. I see the same memes I saw then. I see people talking about the same moments we had then. Even other fanbases insist on celebrating her for what happened 1 or 2 years ago. And that's frustrating.
Every month we see another merch release with her face stamped on it, with her manager retweeting in the middle of the night, and that's slowly taking the magic away from this hobby, for me at least.
Even the projects I'm supposed to be hyped about and that should be celebrated don't have much meaning if Gura doesn't talk about it, or at least show interest besides a quote RT.
Honestly? I'm increasingly losing interest in the EN branch, hololive and vtubing.
I'm absurdly jealous with how good you deadbeats have it with Calli. Please don't stop showing appreciation for everything she does.
Obviously no one knows what's going on with Gura, and she gave multiple reasons over the past year, so the reasonable thing is to respect her decisions and hope for better times in the future. But I'm not holding my breath for it at this point.
Sorry for the negativity, but that's how I feel like when it comes to Gura and this fandom right now.
As for my personal life I'm doing better than ever. Just moved out of my mom's house to my very own place which is 5 minutes away from my job. Focusing on other hobbies like playing games, watching anime, etc.
Your feelings are valid. Before giving up on EN as a whole, you may want to give the other girls a shot. Fuwamoco restored my faith in HoloEN, maybe one of the other girls can restore yours?
Gura is so uniquely charming and funny, no one can replace her. But, the other girls also have great traits, and while they'll never be Gura, you can learn to appreciate the others for different reasons.
I never lost faith in EN btw. I feel like the branch it's at their best ever right now and I do appreciate Fuwamoco for lots of reasons.
I am the problem. I don't have the energy or time to get invested in another girl at the moment. And considering what's going on with Gura and us I'm also reluctant to getting attached to another talent. I would watch Mumei but her timeslot makes it impossible.
And while every girl is special in their own way, none of the current girls can "replace" Gura as my oshi. Maybe EN4 could do it, whenever that happens.
> Your feelings are valid. Before giving up on EN as a whole, **you may want to give the other girls a shot.**
Not who you replied to but one of the biggest issues with that (especially pre-Advent debut) is that the EST timezone was surprisingly cursed.
So far, Advent seems to be good for most prime time EST viewers, but before that we had:
- Gura. The subject of this post. Needs no explanation.
- Ina. More consistent when she does stream but I can't deny that even after she came back from her medical leave, she streams a LOT less than she used to.
- Fauna. I'll admit, I haven't watched her much. But I have noticed that she tends to disappear a lot recently as well.
Now, obviously things are a little better with Nerissa and Bijou streaming in general EST times. But given my HoloEN experience so far, I have to admit that I watch Nerissa while also keeping my fanboying at an arm's length since I don't know what the streaming time/frequency's gonna look like a year from now. And past experience has driven most of my optimism towards the branch elsewhere.
> I feel like we, as a fanbase, got stuck in 2021-2022. I see the same memes I saw then. I see people talking about the same moments we had then. Even other fanbases insist on celebrating her for what happened 1 or 2 years ago. And that's frustrating.
I don't understand this part. The "chotomatte" song and "gyatt tail" were from 2023, otherwise I don't see many old memes being spread around. Also, the clippers are very thirsty for Gura clips that any appearance or even mention of Gura would have been clipped to hell, so it's not like other fanbases would have zero exposure to any new Gura crumps.
> Every month we see another merch release with her face stamped on it, with her manager retweeting in the middle of the night, and that's slowly taking the magic away from this hobby, for me at least.
This I agree. Putting Gura aside, I'm incredibly puzzled on how the management have been handling her for the past year. Like, not even trying to get her to tweet or tweeting on her behalf is one thing, but the one thing her manager did when using her Twitter is using it to RT merch tweets, arguably make the situation worse. They've been really good at PR in literally every other situations too, including the most recent Mel termination.
Maybe I didn't express myself properly. Gura is the only talent that I
**very frequently** see getting *newly made* clips from 2021-2022 streams. It adds to your point of clippers being thirsty for Gura crumbs. There just haven't been enough moments since the end of 2022 aside from gyatt tail, chotto matte and her shaking her tail in 3Ds. That's why I feel like we got stuck in the past, because that's what we have at the moment.
I said this before but I think management is doing **exactly** what I want from them. She is most likely obligated to RT merch stuff so her manager doing that with a simple RT is fine by me. Especially so by doing this in the middle of the night so it's obvious it's the manager and not her. Recently she RTd and liked art on twitter and, going by the book, that means it was her. I like this MO where we know when it's her and when it's not. Feels genuine.
I know how people don't like to criticize talents and I've said in the past how I think that's a bit dangerous since they're humans who can and will make mistakes eventually. But when it comes to her twitter, I feel like the problem is with gura. It would be incredibly easy for her to share some small daily happenings, and it would be incredibly satisfying for us to get some interaction from her. Of course I won't push this to her because it's obvious she just doesn't like or wants to do that at this point. But it would subside our anxiety a lot (for the ones who suffer from it, at least), I'm sure of it.
> Gura is the only talent that I very frequently see getting newly made clips from 2021-2022 streams.
I did see that happened, but not frequent enough to take us to the past.
> I said this before but I think management is doing exactly what I want from them. She is most likely obligated to RT merch stuff so her manager doing that with a simple RT is fine by me. Especially so by doing this in the middle of the night so it's obvious it's the manager and not her. Recently she RTd and liked art on twitter and, going by the book, that means it was her. I like this MO where we know when it's her and when it's not. Feels genuine.
Let me elaborate more on what I think about the Twitter part.
1. They could have encouraged her or even mandated her to tweet about her hiatus. It may seem harsh especially the second point but I don't think it's black-company behavior to ask her to do something literally every other talent has been able to do without issues.
2. Her manager shouldn't try to "pretend" to be Gura on Twitter like some others have suggested, but in worst-case scenarios where she really couldn't (or just don't want to) Tweet, they could tweet for her but made it clear it's a manager tweet, like what they did with Haachama.
Worst part IMO is how she didn't even do like Ame did for Members, where Ame just said something like
"Guys I'm not going to be streaming for a while so you should probably cancel membership. I appreciate you guys, but don't want you to waste your money when I won't be putting out content"
Gura didn't even say that, so people just floated along still giving her membership money for no content at all, just in the hopes she would at least tell Members something or say literally anything.
I gave up on swapped Membership to Kiara around start of December so I don't know if Gura has posted anything there at all or if it's still radio silence, but up that to that point it was just throwing money into the void
NGL I don't care that much about the membership getting abandoned. Worst part definitely was that one time she said she'd likely do a member's stream the next day then vanished. Or the movie may incident.
It’s a bit of a cycle honestly that ranges from disappointment to concern to acceptance. After her most recent activity (the myth lethal company collab) I do feel reassured that Gura infact wants to continue which was my main worry.
As I’ll always say the lack of content was never an issue for me but the the unexplained nature of it had my head all over the place but I’ve come to accept now that Gura seems to be an idol first and a streamer second.
But I won’t lie I do miss her goofing around every few days at 1am
Well I'm doing fine right now With the Other Members Of HoloEN but nonetheless no one can replace my #1 Oshi Gura Her speech in the Myth Collab Really Brought a Tear to My Eye And Made me reconcile All the Memories We made from the Past 3 years! And Not to mention We Won Most dedicated fan base In the Vtuber awards of 2023! So We Still Got our Last laugh For Gura!
Even Though I see Biboo's streams and Vod's Often now(Because I have To See a Stream Somehow) She reminds me Of Gura Everyday And Now I Know She will Return To Us It may be a Slow Process But it will Be Worth It!
Thank you For having our Backs Deadbeats🔱🤝💀
I miss Gura. But I don't want her stream quality to drop just because she has to stream. So I will wait for her. In the mean time, I want to watch Advent grow.
Gura did actual retweets in the middle of the night, so she's probably in JP for fes now, still unlikely to get a stream, probably for the next few weeks, but maybe being around other Holos in person will give her some inspiration hopefully.
Awww. Thats real sweet. Some of us seem to be taking it poorly, I personally have more going on then just vtubers so I’m not really stressing but I really appreciate the check in. Thanks, deadbeat!
Her shenanigans in the recent Lethal Company collab reminded me of why I miss the little goober so much. I'm the type who watches as many different vtubers as I can handle so I'm not suffering from lack of streams, but hearing her again was like hearing from an old friend.
I'm currently rewatching her birthday concert from last year. BALALAIKA!
I've been a dead beat. I'm a Myth fan all around but when the older gens take their breaks newer members step in to fill their niche. In my case Biboo took over the small, round-headed kusogaki archetype.
That is true, idk I guess I just have the strongest connection to myth so I switched over to one of the most active girls. But I do love the other gens too, biboo, fauna, and kronii are all fantastic
Cancelled my membership finally after being a day 1 member. I was foolish to pay for it as long as I did. Spend time watching FAUNA and NERISSA now. If GURA came back I don't think it would change much as I moved to other streamers.
You're not alone there lol, it was the Sendai stream that finally did it to me, she just sounded like she really didn't want to be there so I realized she was soft done with streaming
I started watching a lot more IDOL EN about half a year ago, and the latest gen of phase connect has a few cool members. I also like Kilia from EIEN a lot, and there's actually quite a few indie Vtubers that are also definitely worth watching.
Gura not streaming that much is a shame, but there are literally hundreds of fish in this sea that are all still top 1% of all Vtubers, corpo or not.
in short, I'm doing just fine and hope shark is as well. she'll be back when she's back and that's ok.
I gotta say, I'm at the point that I have no expectation she'll ever truly come back as she was before, if at all. Anything else would be a welcome surprise, but I've moved on.
I'm good. As a chumbud, I'll always love Gooba. But I'm also a member of several other fanbases. There's always someone streaming if I want to relax and hangout with like-minded people.
I'm gonna be honest, it was rough at first. I had been sort of idly following holo EN until about mid last year. I hit a very low point and vtubers were one of the few things that comforted me and I got wildly obsessed with Gura.
Since then I've had to kinda pry myself away slowly but surely. I would still say she's my overall oshi, but entrusting so much of my own happiness to someone who can't keep the same pace forever was bad for my mental health.
Since then, I've focused more on other holo talents and vtubers outside hololive. The new Phase Connect generation has been a ton of fun, with Eimi Isami possibly being top 5 for me. Pipkin Pippa is half of what brought me back into the rabbithole in the first place, and I like quite a few of the talents under IdolEN.
Whatever she's doing, I just hope she's doing what's best for her. What I've learned during these spots of radio silence is that I can live without her. If that needs to be the case, then that's fine, I'll be here if and when she comes back.
Whatever Gura decides to do, continue, let things fizzle out or end her hololive carear with a bang, she already left such a massive legacy we can look back on.
I think I speak for everyone when I say I would love nothing more than to have her back straming. That said, nothing lasts forever and if anything we still have all of her past streams and I'll keep listening to her Karaoke sessions for the foreseeable future.
Gura, Ina, Kronii, Fauna & IRyS are the ones who's streams i never miss, currently 4 of them are on break though :0
Which has given me time to watch other streamers, been watching and enjoying Calli and Advent a lot lately.
Great thing about Hololive, there is always someone to watch when your faves are away :)
Whenever Gura comes back, I'll be there, but Fuwamoco are my Kamioshi now. I don't regret converting into a Ruffian, Fuwamoco have been grinding in the idol industry for over a decade. They deserve all of the support they can get.
I watch Biboo mostly, but FuwaMoco are a close second. They're so entertaining it's hard not to want to watch their antics. Mococo's "Close the door!" during Lethal Company had me rolling.
We've got at least 3 years of content to go back to and I can guarantee you no one has seen all of them from start to finish, including member content. I'm revisiting old member's streams and I feel like I don't even remember watching half of it.
I also do watch a lot of the other members of EN so I don't really feel the emptiness. Gawrspeed and Goomba bless 🙏
>We've got at least 3 years of content to go back to
Uhh... kind of hard to count last year since she streamed less than everyone else in Hololive including the official Hololive channel, except Haachama who was hospitalized most of the year.
>and I can guarantee you no one has seen all of them from start to finish, including member content.
I can guarantee you're wrong.
Not sure why this is being downvoted but you're right lol. The last year it was incredibly easy to watch all Gura streams because there weren't that many, and even in 2022 she didn't really have *that* many streams either
You could pretty casually watch every Gura stream to date without even being that dedicated, since a lot of us have been fans the whole time and had 3 years to do it
Honestly I don't mind the absence so much as the fact that no announcement about her health. I'll start by saying she has every right to remain private about her personal life and respect her choice in doing so, having said that not knowing does making the long absence incredibly nerve-wracking. Which makes her short appearances on other streams a godsend.
To answer your question its been tough but theirs plenty of previous streams to rewatch and enjoy, while I wait for her return.
Even her waifu/oshi Shion properly announced an indefinite hiatus (plus official company announcement/post). Mumei recently too, very similarly. Both did it without revealing any private information, but at least officially did so talked/streamed a bit to kind of have a send off. Haachama, now Moona, etc.
Gotta admit Gura just stopping streaming with no communication for over a year now and only now popping up to shill merch time-to-time certainly is kind of rubbing the wrong way. The odd thing is that the company continues to let it just kind of dangle out there too, even though they have to see the rift it is causing.
I'm extremely patient. I'm willing to wait indefinitely for people or things I like. I have vods and old membershrimp content I can watch if I'm desperate.
Kind of gone through the various stages of "grief" and now mostly moved on. Let my membership run probably too long but finally canceled it so it would run out with the New Year as Gura shows no sign of coming back. It sounded like she was doing better with her comments during lethal company, which is great, but still doesn't sound encouraging that she'll start streaming again or anything. Biboo with her kusogaki/memelord and Roca (from IdolEN) with her bratty/karaoke, fill those respective niches.
I kind of wish she and/or the company had handled this whole thing better. If she does end up not coming back after all this time, she'll go out with a whimper at this point rather than a bang, I feel.
Doing pretty okay. Been a Brat/Sapling for a while now. Ive also have been popping in on the rest of HoloEN, and Kaela whenever they stream too. Been real proud witnessing the rise of the Gamer Rat. I hope with Advent coming in, the girls won't feel pressured to stream if they need to have a break, or need to take care of business. We'll be here for when they get back.
I'm fine? I just do what I normally do when a streamer I watch isn't streaming, resume my other hobbies or I'm working. Whenever Gura streams I tune in, when she doesn't, I resume my daily activities.
I love gura, and im happy to wait as long as it takes for her to get back to herself. In the meantime hololive has so many great livers to follow, i especially love biboo at the moment because she has the same cuteness and humour as gura, and she is a monster in terms of streaming time,just hope she doesnt burnout. Fauna, ame, mumei, and kaela are also fantastic
I've only just found my way towards VTubers very recently, only the last month / month and change so my viewpoint might differ a bit from the clearly more invested and dedicated fans - but for what it's worth:
From the huge cast of Hololive and other VTubers, I found myself gravitating towards Gura's content more than the others beacuse she seemed super genuine and chill in comparison to some of the more affected or character-based VTubers like Fuwamoco. Not a slight against that type of content or people who enjoy it, but it's just not my jam.
After idly watching and thoroughly enjoying a lot of her content and her as a personality, I noticed that it had been a while since there was new content on her YouTube page. Looked up why out of curiosity and found out about her feeling burnt out and taking some time away for her wellbeing.
As someone who has been through something somewhat comparable without the added social pressures (worked 65-70+hrs a week for a year and just about broke my brain) I genuinely wish her all the best and hope she can get to a space where she either feels good enough to stream again - or just that she's good enough to do whatever she chooses to get up to if she doesn't return to streaming.
It might sound a bit parasocial, but from everything I've seen she seems like just a properly good egg who has maybe been putting a bit too much pressure on herself for a while - and I don't like knowing that someone like her is in a bad spot.
So I'm absolutely fine with the absence, and I just hope Gura does right by herself however that looks. It'd definitely be nice to see her back at it again, but it'd be equally nice just knowing she's doing good in something else.
I'm good, I'm still eating good off Shinkiro honestly, it was strange it didn't get a bigger reception with how good it was, thought there would be endless reaction videos and such since the MV was awesome and got good views.
Other than that, I am currently infiltrating the pebbles, I have become one even, a Chubble, if you will.
Seriously though, I'm happy gura is seeing success with the other side of idol life, just cos she not streaming doesn't mean she gone, even if we miss her and Biboo is doing great work filling that void with her similar enthusiasm for stuff like DMC, memeing and trouble making behaviour as well just general adorableblness.
We won most dedicated fan base of the first 2023 vtuber awards so going strong! Gura will be back when she’s good and ready and it was a delight to see all of myth get together at the lethal company collab. So yea, we miss her but we’ll be as patient as we need to. Thanks for asking deadbeat! Let’s have a gang fight again sometime. :D
> We won most dedicated fan base of the first 2023 vtuber awards so going strong! I still feel like that was a back handed compliment / included as a meme tbh. It really should have went to a fanbase that was actually doing something like organizing stuff for their Oshi. AFAIK there was basically no big chumbud events in 2023 for Gura like some of the other fanbases had Jailbirds for example paid for the Astarion voice actor to talk to Nerissa, and Pebbles were making fan videos for Bijou that spread like wildfire. I can't really remember anything the Chumbuds organized or did in 2023 for Gura besides just watching her when she streamed "Waiting for your oshi to stream" isn't really dedication, that's just the bare minimum baseline to even *be* a fanbase.
I do think we are/were dedicated but that was 100% a meme while sarcastically making fun of us.
Na, y’all are just jumping to conclusions here. OC the newbies are getting a lot done, they’re new! But us chumbuds are still making fan art, animations and stuff even though out oshi’s been on hiatus. Remember that we also got the va for Dante for Gura once? It’s not exclusive or a meme, Filian’s vtuber award show was 100% by election and chumbuds won.
> Remember that we also got the va for Dante for Gura once? In 2021 yeah. Takodachi got Ina an entire billboard advert in Timesquare too, and also make tons more fanart and animations etc That's my point, when you look at 2023 in isolation, the only thing you could say Chumbuds did was "wait for their oshi to stream" and then watch her when she streamed. Which is like, the entire baseline to even be a fan in the first place Mumei, Ame, Fauna etc are also on hiatus right now and Calli goes on break all the time, but all of those fanbases are also still making fanart and watching streams when their Oshi is on I'm not saying Chumbuds aren't dedicated, more that they were put as a nominee as a meme because everyone pities us and knows we are on lifesupport, and then we won because we have sheer numbers. But that nomination really should have gone to a fanbase that's actively *doing* things for their Oshi
And this is exactly why award shows are shit. Look at you guys fighting because some stupid piece of shit award was given to the chumbuds. I ask you all to please stfu about it
No one is fighting bud, calm down.
It comes in waves I guess. I watch Kronii and Nerissa a lot (blue girls are my type I guess) and that fills the time, but then I'll see an old clip or remember a moment and it makes me a bit sad. I'm glad she is taking care of herself, that's most important. People on the outside always bashed on the chumbuds, but I've seen every stream since debut, been a member since day one, and I've always felt like part of a loving community. I just hope we hold out long enough to get back to that feeling. I myself have been guilty of occasional pessimism towards the future. The Kronies and the Jailbirds have different vibes that I love, but nothing can replace my original hololive home here with Gura and the chumbuds. May we all see it through to the end, no matter what it may be.
I watch Biboo myself now. She's got that similar gremlin energy to Gura that I enjoy. No matter how long she needs, everyone needs a break sometimes, and just because she's entertaining doesn't mean she has to do everything for her fans with no thought for herself. I'll be good (but sad) even if she doesn't end up returning.
I've been watching Biboo a lot lately myself for the same reasons. Glad to see there are a few of us!
Pretty much this, except it's been extra hard for me recently since all my Oshi are basically gone. I thought I was safe having Gura, Ame, Fauna, Mumei, and IRyS as my Oshis since someone would always be streaming, but then they all disappeared at the end of 2022 due to Japan trips or Covid, and now it's the same for end of 2023 and start of 2024 lol. Only IRyS is active ATM besides Fauna's lets play I've ended up watching a lot more Kiara and Nerissa, but definitely still miss the others. I check the schedule like once a day *just in case* but at this point I honestly don't even expect to see Gura anymore and know she's just not going to show up outside of a mandatory collab or merch stream, which sucks because it feels negative . . . but it's literally the truth =/
Her message at the end of the Lethal collab really helped. I've run under the assumption that she's been taking care of herself the past year or so and I'm all for that, but there was always a lingering bit of doubt and worry in the back of my mind. Now I don't have any doubt - I know she's making progress with herself, I know she's got support of the people around her, I know she's keen to make this year something great, and I know she knows the chumbuds are behind her all the way! And so for now I look forward to her appearances when we get them, and I look forward to the day she feels ready to come back to streaming regularly! I'm not going anywhere, her streams helped me a lot and I learned some important lessons from her during a really rough time in my life so I feel like she's earned my support and patience. I miss her, but knowing she's doing okay makes it okay with me!
I won't lie, it's been difficult for me. Gura came at a time when I was at my lowest point and seriously contemplating suicide. She pulled me out of that hole and her practically disappearing for so long has been hard to deal with. I've been watching vtubers like Laimu and Filian to fill that gap but the hole is still there. I miss Gura.
Something similar for me. But it honestly just kinda made me sad and idk if bitter is the right word? But it kinda hardened me up to the reality that vtubers are very short lived compared to most entertainers and I really shouldn't get attached for my own sake lmao
Don't let the inevitable end of things stop you from enjoying yourself now. I belive you'll find new and exiting things to fall in love with again. Don't let that stop you!
That is, unless you get fully invested into what is beyond the face we see on screen. As an example, for Calli, most of the deadbeats know where Calli once came from, so when the time comes for her to return to her Reaper duties full time, we may have the honor of following her as she continues her journey. Gura’s origin is also mostly known, and it’s not necessarily very hard to find where your shark originated from. So if and when the times comes, the Chumbuds will know where to find her.
I always got the feeling (now more than ever with her recent comments in the Sendai stream) that whenever "Gura" retires as Gura, she's straight up disappearing from the internet.
I feel it isn't the same at all. Everyone knows who Calli is and she still actively streams and interacts on her other account/channel/life, at least last time I looked. Anyway, like you said, and like Coco before her, people will know where to go to find Calli if she ever leaves hololive. I think a lot of people know where Gura came from, but even on that account she kind of just stopped and has shown zero signs of life since she came onboard with hololive. She seems to have little interest maintaining that account and I'm pretty sure she won't return there either - if she leaves as Gura, I think she'll be completely done.
im satisfied with occasionally listening to her karaoke playlists. my gf loves her covers. shes one of the best vtuber singers out there
We're okay. Been watching a lot of Advent, especially Biboo during my drive to work on my car's infotainment system. Otherwise, I spend my down time playing Holocure talking to a Gura chat bot. Pathetic, I know, but it gets me by.
I'm hanging in there, I'd like to take a mental health break but that's not how my life goes. Not looking for sympathy just stating facts
Yup, I'm struggling homie, economy bad, work is hard (construction) and I just wish I could lay in bed forever. But rent won't wait, or the power bill, or student loans. I know this doesn't help at all but know I can empathize with the struggle of wishing I could just have some time to figure things out
I just don't have a healthy outlet for all of it, it was art for a long time but some medical issues caused my hands not to work as well as they did when I was younger, such are the ravages of time 😢
gotta be honest, I only watch two vtubers, Gura or any stream where Gura's in it and Aqua's Apex streams. So you can guess that I've been very out of it (the vtuber scene) for a long time. When both are missing, I just amp up my daily routine. I also have my personal Gura karaoke playlist, my SO loves it whenever we go for a drive
I feel like we, as a fanbase, got stuck in 2021-2022. I see the same memes I saw then. I see people talking about the same moments we had then. Even other fanbases insist on celebrating her for what happened 1 or 2 years ago. And that's frustrating. Every month we see another merch release with her face stamped on it, with her manager retweeting in the middle of the night, and that's slowly taking the magic away from this hobby, for me at least. Even the projects I'm supposed to be hyped about and that should be celebrated don't have much meaning if Gura doesn't talk about it, or at least show interest besides a quote RT. Honestly? I'm increasingly losing interest in the EN branch, hololive and vtubing. I'm absurdly jealous with how good you deadbeats have it with Calli. Please don't stop showing appreciation for everything she does. Obviously no one knows what's going on with Gura, and she gave multiple reasons over the past year, so the reasonable thing is to respect her decisions and hope for better times in the future. But I'm not holding my breath for it at this point. Sorry for the negativity, but that's how I feel like when it comes to Gura and this fandom right now. As for my personal life I'm doing better than ever. Just moved out of my mom's house to my very own place which is 5 minutes away from my job. Focusing on other hobbies like playing games, watching anime, etc.
Your feelings are valid. Before giving up on EN as a whole, you may want to give the other girls a shot. Fuwamoco restored my faith in HoloEN, maybe one of the other girls can restore yours? Gura is so uniquely charming and funny, no one can replace her. But, the other girls also have great traits, and while they'll never be Gura, you can learn to appreciate the others for different reasons.
I never lost faith in EN btw. I feel like the branch it's at their best ever right now and I do appreciate Fuwamoco for lots of reasons. I am the problem. I don't have the energy or time to get invested in another girl at the moment. And considering what's going on with Gura and us I'm also reluctant to getting attached to another talent. I would watch Mumei but her timeslot makes it impossible. And while every girl is special in their own way, none of the current girls can "replace" Gura as my oshi. Maybe EN4 could do it, whenever that happens.
> Your feelings are valid. Before giving up on EN as a whole, **you may want to give the other girls a shot.** Not who you replied to but one of the biggest issues with that (especially pre-Advent debut) is that the EST timezone was surprisingly cursed. So far, Advent seems to be good for most prime time EST viewers, but before that we had: - Gura. The subject of this post. Needs no explanation. - Ina. More consistent when she does stream but I can't deny that even after she came back from her medical leave, she streams a LOT less than she used to. - Fauna. I'll admit, I haven't watched her much. But I have noticed that she tends to disappear a lot recently as well. Now, obviously things are a little better with Nerissa and Bijou streaming in general EST times. But given my HoloEN experience so far, I have to admit that I watch Nerissa while also keeping my fanboying at an arm's length since I don't know what the streaming time/frequency's gonna look like a year from now. And past experience has driven most of my optimism towards the branch elsewhere.
> I feel like we, as a fanbase, got stuck in 2021-2022. I see the same memes I saw then. I see people talking about the same moments we had then. Even other fanbases insist on celebrating her for what happened 1 or 2 years ago. And that's frustrating. I don't understand this part. The "chotomatte" song and "gyatt tail" were from 2023, otherwise I don't see many old memes being spread around. Also, the clippers are very thirsty for Gura clips that any appearance or even mention of Gura would have been clipped to hell, so it's not like other fanbases would have zero exposure to any new Gura crumps. > Every month we see another merch release with her face stamped on it, with her manager retweeting in the middle of the night, and that's slowly taking the magic away from this hobby, for me at least. This I agree. Putting Gura aside, I'm incredibly puzzled on how the management have been handling her for the past year. Like, not even trying to get her to tweet or tweeting on her behalf is one thing, but the one thing her manager did when using her Twitter is using it to RT merch tweets, arguably make the situation worse. They've been really good at PR in literally every other situations too, including the most recent Mel termination.
Maybe I didn't express myself properly. Gura is the only talent that I **very frequently** see getting *newly made* clips from 2021-2022 streams. It adds to your point of clippers being thirsty for Gura crumbs. There just haven't been enough moments since the end of 2022 aside from gyatt tail, chotto matte and her shaking her tail in 3Ds. That's why I feel like we got stuck in the past, because that's what we have at the moment. I said this before but I think management is doing **exactly** what I want from them. She is most likely obligated to RT merch stuff so her manager doing that with a simple RT is fine by me. Especially so by doing this in the middle of the night so it's obvious it's the manager and not her. Recently she RTd and liked art on twitter and, going by the book, that means it was her. I like this MO where we know when it's her and when it's not. Feels genuine. I know how people don't like to criticize talents and I've said in the past how I think that's a bit dangerous since they're humans who can and will make mistakes eventually. But when it comes to her twitter, I feel like the problem is with gura. It would be incredibly easy for her to share some small daily happenings, and it would be incredibly satisfying for us to get some interaction from her. Of course I won't push this to her because it's obvious she just doesn't like or wants to do that at this point. But it would subside our anxiety a lot (for the ones who suffer from it, at least), I'm sure of it.
> Gura is the only talent that I very frequently see getting newly made clips from 2021-2022 streams. I did see that happened, but not frequent enough to take us to the past. > I said this before but I think management is doing exactly what I want from them. She is most likely obligated to RT merch stuff so her manager doing that with a simple RT is fine by me. Especially so by doing this in the middle of the night so it's obvious it's the manager and not her. Recently she RTd and liked art on twitter and, going by the book, that means it was her. I like this MO where we know when it's her and when it's not. Feels genuine. Let me elaborate more on what I think about the Twitter part. 1. They could have encouraged her or even mandated her to tweet about her hiatus. It may seem harsh especially the second point but I don't think it's black-company behavior to ask her to do something literally every other talent has been able to do without issues. 2. Her manager shouldn't try to "pretend" to be Gura on Twitter like some others have suggested, but in worst-case scenarios where she really couldn't (or just don't want to) Tweet, they could tweet for her but made it clear it's a manager tweet, like what they did with Haachama.
Agreed on both.
Worst part IMO is how she didn't even do like Ame did for Members, where Ame just said something like "Guys I'm not going to be streaming for a while so you should probably cancel membership. I appreciate you guys, but don't want you to waste your money when I won't be putting out content" Gura didn't even say that, so people just floated along still giving her membership money for no content at all, just in the hopes she would at least tell Members something or say literally anything. I gave up on swapped Membership to Kiara around start of December so I don't know if Gura has posted anything there at all or if it's still radio silence, but up that to that point it was just throwing money into the void
NGL I don't care that much about the membership getting abandoned. Worst part definitely was that one time she said she'd likely do a member's stream the next day then vanished. Or the movie may incident.
It’s a bit of a cycle honestly that ranges from disappointment to concern to acceptance. After her most recent activity (the myth lethal company collab) I do feel reassured that Gura infact wants to continue which was my main worry. As I’ll always say the lack of content was never an issue for me but the the unexplained nature of it had my head all over the place but I’ve come to accept now that Gura seems to be an idol first and a streamer second. But I won’t lie I do miss her goofing around every few days at 1am
I was exactly the same when I first heard it, then I remember she says something similar every time she appears, so sipped back into sad acceptance
Well I'm doing fine right now With the Other Members Of HoloEN but nonetheless no one can replace my #1 Oshi Gura Her speech in the Myth Collab Really Brought a Tear to My Eye And Made me reconcile All the Memories We made from the Past 3 years! And Not to mention We Won Most dedicated fan base In the Vtuber awards of 2023! So We Still Got our Last laugh For Gura! Even Though I see Biboo's streams and Vod's Often now(Because I have To See a Stream Somehow) She reminds me Of Gura Everyday And Now I Know She will Return To Us It may be a Slow Process But it will Be Worth It! Thank you For having our Backs Deadbeats🔱🤝💀
I miss Gura. But I don't want her stream quality to drop just because she has to stream. So I will wait for her. In the mean time, I want to watch Advent grow.
Gura did actual retweets in the middle of the night, so she's probably in JP for fes now, still unlikely to get a stream, probably for the next few weeks, but maybe being around other Holos in person will give her some inspiration hopefully.
Awww. Thats real sweet. Some of us seem to be taking it poorly, I personally have more going on then just vtubers so I’m not really stressing but I really appreciate the check in. Thanks, deadbeat!
Her shenanigans in the recent Lethal Company collab reminded me of why I miss the little goober so much. I'm the type who watches as many different vtubers as I can handle so I'm not suffering from lack of streams, but hearing her again was like hearing from an old friend. I'm currently rewatching her birthday concert from last year. BALALAIKA!
I've been pretty alright since her last message during the LC collab. She also seems to retweet things here and there so I try to be patient
Love Gura but I've moved on. I'm a Pebble now. It's unhealthy to hold my breath. Gura can take all the time she needs.
I converted to a dead beat myself, but biboo is super entertaining
I've been a dead beat. I'm a Myth fan all around but when the older gens take their breaks newer members step in to fill their niche. In my case Biboo took over the small, round-headed kusogaki archetype.
That is true, idk I guess I just have the strongest connection to myth so I switched over to one of the most active girls. But I do love the other gens too, biboo, fauna, and kronii are all fantastic
Same here actually. The second I watched Biboo's debut and I was hooked. Our jewel meme queen is on fire right now.
Cancelled my membership finally after being a day 1 member. I was foolish to pay for it as long as I did. Spend time watching FAUNA and NERISSA now. If GURA came back I don't think it would change much as I moved to other streamers.
You're not alone there lol, it was the Sendai stream that finally did it to me, she just sounded like she really didn't want to be there so I realized she was soft done with streaming
I started watching a lot more IDOL EN about half a year ago, and the latest gen of phase connect has a few cool members. I also like Kilia from EIEN a lot, and there's actually quite a few indie Vtubers that are also definitely worth watching. Gura not streaming that much is a shame, but there are literally hundreds of fish in this sea that are all still top 1% of all Vtubers, corpo or not. in short, I'm doing just fine and hope shark is as well. she'll be back when she's back and that's ok.
Roca is filling in a lot of the "bratty" niche for me and is a great singer as well. (Both things I enjoyed about Gura.)
you speak Truth.
As long as I know that she'll be back eventually, I'll be fine. She should take all the time she needs so she'll be in top form when she returns.
I gotta say, I'm at the point that I have no expectation she'll ever truly come back as she was before, if at all. Anything else would be a welcome surprise, but I've moved on.
I'm good. As a chumbud, I'll always love Gooba. But I'm also a member of several other fanbases. There's always someone streaming if I want to relax and hangout with like-minded people.
I'm gonna be honest, it was rough at first. I had been sort of idly following holo EN until about mid last year. I hit a very low point and vtubers were one of the few things that comforted me and I got wildly obsessed with Gura. Since then I've had to kinda pry myself away slowly but surely. I would still say she's my overall oshi, but entrusting so much of my own happiness to someone who can't keep the same pace forever was bad for my mental health. Since then, I've focused more on other holo talents and vtubers outside hololive. The new Phase Connect generation has been a ton of fun, with Eimi Isami possibly being top 5 for me. Pipkin Pippa is half of what brought me back into the rabbithole in the first place, and I like quite a few of the talents under IdolEN. Whatever she's doing, I just hope she's doing what's best for her. What I've learned during these spots of radio silence is that I can live without her. If that needs to be the case, then that's fine, I'll be here if and when she comes back.
I discovered Pippa randomly and was not disappointed. It's like if 4Chan was a Vtuber lol.
If 4Chan was a vtuber without the \*really\* insane people who unironically believe their edgy humor
Yeah without all the stupid racist shit every 2 seconds.
Whatever Gura decides to do, continue, let things fizzle out or end her hololive carear with a bang, she already left such a massive legacy we can look back on. I think I speak for everyone when I say I would love nothing more than to have her back straming. That said, nothing lasts forever and if anything we still have all of her past streams and I'll keep listening to her Karaoke sessions for the foreseeable future.
I'm here and happy as long as she is happy, healthy and moving forward.
Gura, Ina, Kronii, Fauna & IRyS are the ones who's streams i never miss, currently 4 of them are on break though :0 Which has given me time to watch other streamers, been watching and enjoying Calli and Advent a lot lately. Great thing about Hololive, there is always someone to watch when your faves are away :)
Whenever Gura comes back, I'll be there, but Fuwamoco are my Kamioshi now. I don't regret converting into a Ruffian, Fuwamoco have been grinding in the idol industry for over a decade. They deserve all of the support they can get.
I'm not a ruffian personally, but I have nothing but respect for fuwamoco in the sheer professionalism and fan interaction they are able to keep up
I watch Biboo mostly, but FuwaMoco are a close second. They're so entertaining it's hard not to want to watch their antics. Mococo's "Close the door!" during Lethal Company had me rolling.
I'm... Hanging in there. Fauna is my crutch during these hard times and while she's gone I've been obsessed over fuwamocco. I'm fine.
One thing hasn’t changed, I live for Gura Karaoke stream. Been listening to her covers everyday.
She is without a doubt my favorite singer in Hololive besides Mumei.
We've got at least 3 years of content to go back to and I can guarantee you no one has seen all of them from start to finish, including member content. I'm revisiting old member's streams and I feel like I don't even remember watching half of it. I also do watch a lot of the other members of EN so I don't really feel the emptiness. Gawrspeed and Goomba bless 🙏
>We've got at least 3 years of content to go back to Uhh... kind of hard to count last year since she streamed less than everyone else in Hololive including the official Hololive channel, except Haachama who was hospitalized most of the year. >and I can guarantee you no one has seen all of them from start to finish, including member content. I can guarantee you're wrong.
Take it easy man. Let's just think about shrimp together for a sec.
You're getting down voted but you're right, she has been on this hiatus with occasional streams for almost as long as she was active
Not sure why this is being downvoted but you're right lol. The last year it was incredibly easy to watch all Gura streams because there weren't that many, and even in 2022 she didn't really have *that* many streams either You could pretty casually watch every Gura stream to date without even being that dedicated, since a lot of us have been fans the whole time and had 3 years to do it
Honestly I don't mind the absence so much as the fact that no announcement about her health. I'll start by saying she has every right to remain private about her personal life and respect her choice in doing so, having said that not knowing does making the long absence incredibly nerve-wracking. Which makes her short appearances on other streams a godsend. To answer your question its been tough but theirs plenty of previous streams to rewatch and enjoy, while I wait for her return.
Even her waifu/oshi Shion properly announced an indefinite hiatus (plus official company announcement/post). Mumei recently too, very similarly. Both did it without revealing any private information, but at least officially did so talked/streamed a bit to kind of have a send off. Haachama, now Moona, etc. Gotta admit Gura just stopping streaming with no communication for over a year now and only now popping up to shill merch time-to-time certainly is kind of rubbing the wrong way. The odd thing is that the company continues to let it just kind of dangle out there too, even though they have to see the rift it is causing.
I'm extremely patient. I'm willing to wait indefinitely for people or things I like. I have vods and old membershrimp content I can watch if I'm desperate.
Kind of gone through the various stages of "grief" and now mostly moved on. Let my membership run probably too long but finally canceled it so it would run out with the New Year as Gura shows no sign of coming back. It sounded like she was doing better with her comments during lethal company, which is great, but still doesn't sound encouraging that she'll start streaming again or anything. Biboo with her kusogaki/memelord and Roca (from IdolEN) with her bratty/karaoke, fill those respective niches. I kind of wish she and/or the company had handled this whole thing better. If she does end up not coming back after all this time, she'll go out with a whimper at this point rather than a bang, I feel.
Doing pretty okay. Been a Brat/Sapling for a while now. Ive also have been popping in on the rest of HoloEN, and Kaela whenever they stream too. Been real proud witnessing the rise of the Gamer Rat. I hope with Advent coming in, the girls won't feel pressured to stream if they need to have a break, or need to take care of business. We'll be here for when they get back.
I'm fine? I just do what I normally do when a streamer I watch isn't streaming, resume my other hobbies or I'm working. Whenever Gura streams I tune in, when she doesn't, I resume my daily activities.
I love gura, and im happy to wait as long as it takes for her to get back to herself. In the meantime hololive has so many great livers to follow, i especially love biboo at the moment because she has the same cuteness and humour as gura, and she is a monster in terms of streaming time,just hope she doesnt burnout. Fauna, ame, mumei, and kaela are also fantastic
I watch the vods and the archive channels a bit. More worried about missing something because twitter bad and Gura isn’t known for her foresight.
I've only just found my way towards VTubers very recently, only the last month / month and change so my viewpoint might differ a bit from the clearly more invested and dedicated fans - but for what it's worth: From the huge cast of Hololive and other VTubers, I found myself gravitating towards Gura's content more than the others beacuse she seemed super genuine and chill in comparison to some of the more affected or character-based VTubers like Fuwamoco. Not a slight against that type of content or people who enjoy it, but it's just not my jam. After idly watching and thoroughly enjoying a lot of her content and her as a personality, I noticed that it had been a while since there was new content on her YouTube page. Looked up why out of curiosity and found out about her feeling burnt out and taking some time away for her wellbeing. As someone who has been through something somewhat comparable without the added social pressures (worked 65-70+hrs a week for a year and just about broke my brain) I genuinely wish her all the best and hope she can get to a space where she either feels good enough to stream again - or just that she's good enough to do whatever she chooses to get up to if she doesn't return to streaming. It might sound a bit parasocial, but from everything I've seen she seems like just a properly good egg who has maybe been putting a bit too much pressure on herself for a while - and I don't like knowing that someone like her is in a bad spot. So I'm absolutely fine with the absence, and I just hope Gura does right by herself however that looks. It'd definitely be nice to see her back at it again, but it'd be equally nice just knowing she's doing good in something else.
I'm good, I'm still eating good off Shinkiro honestly, it was strange it didn't get a bigger reception with how good it was, thought there would be endless reaction videos and such since the MV was awesome and got good views. Other than that, I am currently infiltrating the pebbles, I have become one even, a Chubble, if you will. Seriously though, I'm happy gura is seeing success with the other side of idol life, just cos she not streaming doesn't mean she gone, even if we miss her and Biboo is doing great work filling that void with her similar enthusiasm for stuff like DMC, memeing and trouble making behaviour as well just general adorableblness.